Mini Normal 1825 - Game Over

[MathBlade]

Havent read yet will read after work.
However I did see last vote count I am at L-1 I am a VT.

Please give me a chance to read the thread and post thoughts.

And FYI my pronoun is them.

[MathBlade]

Still at work but taking a quick break

VC 1.39
Glitch (7): Expedience, rb, gameplay506, Martha Zolanski, Dierfire, BlueBloodedToffee, pitoli
Expedience (2): Chuck, Cass
Martha Zolanski (2): golden009, Glitch
BlueBloodedToffee (1): RyanK

Not Voting: Saru

Based on this vote count and the vote count on me Expedience and Saru likely scum possibly with Blue Blooded Toffee. This lynch happened way too fast especially since I know I am town. Expedience seems to have been vote sitting need to figure out why.

Unless Saru is on V/LA they are likely scum as they usually swapped votes more.

Need to read posts to confirm my theory.

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Hi RB

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This is false. I gave reasons as to why they were in my lynch pool(1465). To be fair, it's something that comes out of PoE because I have lots of town/null-town reads, so I don't necessarily think that (Ryan, Golden, Dier) is the scum team; this is very unlikely, but I'm working within my reads at the moment. If they change, my lynch pool will also change.

From Saru's ISO.

This is not town Saru.
Town Saru was argumentative and more confrontational. He had no problems arguing with the thread.

TownSaru also never repeated phrasings. He repeats "This is false." As if this is something he must prepare. I will go into detail once I am not skimming ISOs for town and feel but this feels off.

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Too scummy to be scum is a lazy ass excuse to list of somebody as town.
More fitting here would be "too dumb to be scum" but its still all the same.

That's not really what I'm saying. More like, "too outgoing, too much effort to be scum" because that's why I'm townreading him. And then I am bothered by the lack of consistency. Like, look at the thing he posted just now. That's a town post for a newbie, he wants answers and he's hounding you for them. Ryan isn't dumb, it's just he has distanced himself from mortal affairs and concerns himself only with simple questions and answers.

But I know I have a documented distrust of d1 wagons.

Expedience should know that effort is a shitty reason to town read someone from Gistou. Not buying this in an ISO perspective but need to get a read to be sure later.

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BBT and Chuck also need eyes if Expedience is town.

The only thing that gives me pause is I am a counter wagon to Chuck and that is all kinds of terribad.

So if I am wrong on Expedience + Saru then probably Chuck scum.

That is all til I get home.

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VOTE: Expedience

Not done reading but their vote on me in their ISO is sketch. And I don't like their Glitch push.

Not going to be able to read the thread til tomorrow.

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Yeah. Here's why.

That post assumes I am town, does it not? If you ISO me before that post, I had posted NOTHING of content. My predecessor hadn't even posted so I don't know why the hell rb is assuming I am town in that post.

Compare it to this post later on;

Hey BlueBloodedToffee if you're town can you just come demolish this scumlord with me? Thanks.

I really hope BBT is town because if he is we win.

And the first one could be a legit slip.

Began ISO'ing BBT because I don't like their posts either but this one is bad.
BBT expects people to sheep them because they are BBT. I

hate

scum reads without reasons and he has none even after I posted initial thoughts.

Still not done ISO'ing everyone but BBT needs rope too.

BBT waiting to provide a reason is scummy as fuck. If you think I am scum say why and try to convince others. This whole waiting til I read the thread is shit. I am going to keep providing thoughts as I do to stay afloat but you have no excuse as to why you can't provide an argument.

fuck it.

VOTE: BlueBloodedToffee

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This sudden Expedience wagon is weird as fuck and I really don't like it.

Sudden? I made a case and Saru was like "You're wrong" and doesn't provide an easy way for me to validate that and expects me to go read all their town games or take their word for it.

Town Saru provided links to posts and made it easy for people to consume content.

Expedience voted me as a meh wagon. He has others higher. I think he thought I was mislynch able.

Oh and to be clear I am still down for Expedience but I want to see BBT provide a reason for his current actions because they make no sense.

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Golden wagon is the best wagon.

I'd rather not have the Mod go through the effort.

It's taking a while and I'm pretty sure Golden is scum anyway.

I could lynch rb after Golden.

We should lynch Golden before he is replaced.

Mathblade still looks like an excellent lynch.

There.

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No, because the amount of white noise that town is producing is insane.

SO MUCH THIS! I cannot emphasize how much more difficult town are making this game. It's almost impossible to gain reads because of the amount of bullshit that is going on.

People need to post less and when they do post, post more content because this game is an absolute joke right now.

It basically just means noise that isn't melodic or anything, just generic sounds.

I saw your post about me but my phone has 5% battery right now, so I'll make a detailed response later.

Of all the things that Golden responds to, he chooses this.

We need to lynch Golden. We should save the Mod the trouble of finding a replacement and lynch the shit out of that slot.

This is the only thing other than lurker I could find as a reason in your ISO.

You need to provide why you scumread golden.
Why you didn't explain those reasons sooner
And why you have been vote parking and pretty much just spamming through active lurking of lynch golden.

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You're getting lynched Math.

You just stated a scum read on me whilst giving 0 reasons for said scum read.

Except I provided reasons. My primary one was that you are not justify what you are saying. And if I do get lynched I am a VT so no salt off my back.

I have no problems with scrutiny. Bring it.

Going to work but will check later tonight.

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Sudden? I made a case and Saru was like "You're wrong" and doesn't provide an easy way for me to validate that and expects me to go read all their town games or take their word for it.

Town Saru provided links to posts and made it easy for people to consume content.

...What? I'm not literally asking you to go and check all my town games post for post. You are building a case on me purely from a meta read that you also got from skimming my ISO in this game. If that's the case, why exactly would it trouble you to go back and check my 2 other previous town games and quickly skim my ISO to see if what I'm saying about myself is accurate?

And you are seriously going into extremely superficial things like "he posted links!!" How do you expect me to respond to an argument like that?

Because then I have to go back through your ISO and find which games are town which games are scum and which games are town and read another X posts on top of the 1000 for the game.

In 1800 you posted specific links when making your points this is clearly different. It is not hard just link me or give me the names of the games that are town so I don't have 20000 taps on my phone. I have demonstrated a different way of thinking. It is up to you to show me where I am wrong not hand wave and make me hunt for it. Right now I think you are scum. It is up to you to convince me otherwise.

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People will sheep my because I'm BBT though.

You know this.

No they won't. In the game I played with you you have reasons. You are not here. Ergo you be scum.

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 5#p6534155

See Reasons.

And you were town.

You don't have reasons here.

You be scum.

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This entire site meta of a few key people never posting is shit. This needs to change. I suck at explaining my thoughts most times but I at least try.

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Never posting reasons* forgot a word sorry

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Demonstrating a huge shift in play is an argument. Just not one you like.

I did make an argument. However a more traditional argument coming up.

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lol so your own definition gets destroyed as soon as the time comes for someone to point how inconsistently bad it is? How convenient.

Also, yes, yes, I know how overconfident you try to portray yourself at times like this. You're going to spread out your posts and try to make either ad hom points on me or act like I've somehow scum claimed.

I can't wait for "#LynchSaru2016"

The entire argument with RB has scum in it I am pretty damn sure. Since RB seems to have their heads on correctly and in 1800 you were much more active with one of he best town PRs in the game I don't see an excuse.

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I will take that under advisement. My scumreads of BBT and Experience are much stronger. You can go in the will sort itself out pile.

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I'll go 1 for 1 with rb.

I like this idea as the RB/Saru fight also pinged me as having scum in it but I think of the two BBT is more likely.

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I can compromise on Expedience but I think knowing if I am dealing with an RB team or BBT team outweighs that. I have a gut town read on RB based on Gistou and I don't see a reason to change it.

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Meaning BBT is the much better lynch today IMHO.

Chuck said it himself he doesn't see it as TvT or SvS so which scum it is helps a lot.

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Hi House.

<3 You too but this post gives me the creeps.

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Personal gain isn't always indicative of scum though. It is indicative of personal gain. It becomes whether than gain is Town PR oriented or Scum oriented and is usually the latter but sometimes the former.

Town players can be scummy and scummy players can be townie. It is one of the reasons I setup spec a lot because if you know certain things exist eg I am a VT then that influences votes.

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Ryan, the thing you were supposed to see that you missed was that the Martha flip makes me look bad as well. So me saying that it makes expedience look bad, is immaterial, for purposes of reading my alignment. Or as new scummer a would say, it's NAI.

To answer your "how?"s:

Martha dying made me look bad because she was the one that I suspected the most coming into today besides Expedience. And after she died all I could do was point at Expedience.
...

It's completely illogical that scum would want to night-kill a scum read as they have a really high chance of being able to mislynch them.

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It made Expedience look bad because she had expressed suspicion of have a number of times and it looked like a kill meant to silence her.
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As I said, Vedith killed 0x40 and stated it was an attempt by Vaxkiller to silence 0x40. Vedith was scum and I think I can expect the same from this.

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As for how Glitch flipping town makes Expedience look bad, it's because he basically single-handedly drove that wagon directly into a mislynch.

Also his argument against to me was based entirely on me being too sure that Glitch was town, when 1) Glitch had already made some very alignment indicative statements after his hammer had gone through, and 2) all I said was "if Glitch flips town", which means he was blowing it way out of proportion just to have a reason to suspect me.
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1)What were they?
2)That looks like fact.

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I'm not sure how you're not seeing any of this, or why I'm having to spoonfeed you.
It's like you're playing dumb, pretending not to see things that are really obvious.
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I really didn't see it.

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If you're actually town, no offense. If you're scum, please pick a different strategy than feigned incompetence, because it is starting to get on my nerves, and I'm a really patient person.

But factually, I really don't know what to think about this any more. UNVOTE:

Incorrect on paragraph one. A scumread by scum means they want the player gone and don't have to kill them. If they can mislynch a BP player rather than shoot them that is power to them.

Driving is only one of the kinds of champions of a lynch though. Granted I think Expedience is scum but he who smelt it dealt it is also a thing.

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BBT and RB especially the recent fight. One of which I think is town and the other scum.

Also ISO chuck for my sanity. My towndar is going off miles on him so much so it is approaching I am scared of buddying territory.

Lastly Experience is probably scum.

I really wish you would stop not reading on replace in though.

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Lol 4 and me. Boo House cmon and count.

BBT RB Chuck Expedience.

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Driving home.

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Yes and it is always annoying as shit.

I can do it too

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Pedit That was meant about generalizations.

My phone doesn't fucking do the alerts

[MathBlade]

Saru looks a hell of a lot worse. TBH I haven't done every vote count for VCA and probably won't get around to it until night if I can.

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I know there has to be scum in BBT RB Saru and Expedience.

If I could NK them all I probably would without a care in the world because the majority are probably scum.

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@Chuck

I think that you may have missed some of my questions to you:

@Chuck

You are reading gameplay506 as Town (945). Why?

@Chuck

I agreed with your thought in 1364 that the "claim duel" looked unlikely from a Mafia player given that Glitch flipped Town, so I was surprised that you reconsidered in 1470. Why would Expedience do that as Mafia?

Also, I noticed that I'd missed some of your questions to me--my apologies!

Saru, Dierfire, pitoli, and Cass, what do you think about:

1. MathBlade?
2. rb vs. BBT?
3. Expedience?

1. I want to discuss things more with MathBlade, but I suspect that I will end up reading her as Town for reasons that I will discuss afterward.
2. I'm still reading rb as Town. Nothing that BBT said made me especially suspicious, but I don't like that he's not answering my questions or explaining reads. So, if I were to choose one to lynch, it would be BBT.
3. I'm still reading Expedience as Town. I read your 1470 but am unconvinced. Among other things: if Expedience is Mafia and killed Martha so as to set up RyanK to be lynched, why does Expedience never vote for RyanK, or claim to be suspicious of RyanK? It seems strange to me that a Mafia player would create a plan of this specificity (set up RyanK, specifically) but leave the detail work to Town. In fact, I'm not sure that RyanK received a single vote this phase.

Assume RB is scum. Who is scum with him?

Repeat for BBT Expedience and Saru.

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Also who do you have as a scum read Dierfire?

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@Chuck

I think that you may have missed some of my questions to you:

@Chuck

You are reading gameplay506 as Town (945). Why?

@Chuck

I agreed with your thought in 1364 that the "claim duel" looked unlikely from a Mafia player given that Glitch flipped Town, so I was surprised that you reconsidered in 1470. Why would Expedience do that as Mafia?

Also, I noticed that I'd missed some of your questions to me--my apologies!

Saru, Dierfire, pitoli, and Cass, what do you think about:

1. MathBlade?
2. rb vs. BBT?
3. Expedience?

1. I want to discuss things more with MathBlade, but I suspect that I will end up reading her as Town for reasons that I will discuss afterward.
2. I'm still reading rb as Town. Nothing that BBT said made me especially suspicious, but I don't like that he's not answering my questions or explaining reads. So, if I were to choose one to lynch, it would be BBT.
3. I'm still reading Expedience as Town. I read your 1470 but am unconvinced. Among other things: if Expedience is Mafia and killed Martha so as to set up RyanK to be lynched, why does Expedience never vote for RyanK, or claim to be suspicious of RyanK? It seems strange to me that a Mafia player would create a plan of this specificity (set up RyanK, specifically) but leave the detail work to Town. In fact, I'm not sure that RyanK received a single vote this phase.

Assume RB is scum.

Who is scum with him?

Repeat for BBT Expedience and Saru.

Why would you ask someone to assume that after 1831?

Because that post lists nothing but townreads and I thought it suspicious. I wanted to see how Dierfire would analyze it from other angles. Combined with the whole town read of me for "reasons" I find suspicious so I wanted to see how Dierfire was thinking. It isn't about my reads I wanted his to evaluate him.

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House what are you feeling right now?

[MathBlade]

Emotionally what are you feeling?

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Actually it was because something is off. Not sure if it is scum related or House related. Keeping an eye out:

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This gives me an idea...

Everybody pick four top scumreads. Compare everybody's top four. Lynch the player that is most widely scumread among all players.

House. I love you. Go to bed.

Everyone's reads out there is good.

Announcing the end result of that is bad because scum can finagle to mislynch.

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I don't like that he's not answering my questions or explaining reads.

So?

I have experience with town!BBT doing exactly that, and I do as well.

"So?" Really?

So, that's

bad

,

regardless

of alignment, that's what's "so."

Regardless of alignment. Precisely my point.

So?

Regardless of alignment they should want to be a better player.
I suck but I try to do better and am now not an insta Mislynch.

Granted I also suffer from weakened Titus Moon Logic Syndrome but I am working on the earth landing pad.

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Havent read yet will read after work.
However I did see last vote count I am at L-1 I am a VT.

Please give me a chance to read the thread and post thoughts.

And FYI my pronoun is them.

Why did you claim immediately before even reading the thread?

I thought you were the person always getting annoyed when people claimed prematurely

Prematurely I get extremely annoyed. However at L-1 could be hammered at any point.

Ergo claiming is not premature.

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I'm semi-ignoring you because I don't enjoy interacting with you.

I was inactive because I was studying for my exam which was today.

You are ignoring me... because you don't enjoy interacting with me?

That's funny, I thought it was because you were compromising!

Silly me!

Seriously just stop I don't even know what you're trying to say

BBT, is your read on Mathblade 100% gut or you just don't want to explain? I don't know what to think of that, I didn't like how rb kept asking "why are you scumreading them?" and you just kept repeating "its null for me not to explain" rather than actually answering. Because at this point I'm worrying that you are not actually this confbiased and just faking bravado.

I don't even trust my scumreads at this point I just gave my vote to BBT.

Horribad.

If you are worried about someone being scum you don't give them your vote. This post feels like trying to distance between BBT and Expedience.

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It's either town-cass with scum BBT or scum-cass with scum-BBT. Either way, you're the best lynch because I don't see a way that you're town here.

In both scenarios, BBT is assumed scum, but you say Cass is the best lynch?

What is this?

*looks at RB's posts*

*looks at lack of response*

*repeats*

*glares hard*

[MathBlade]

I will take my prize now. What do I get for voting the scums?

[MathBlade]

Lol you're the scum. I want my prize now.

Just tell me your buddies. That is my prize.

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Lol You're just caught scum who can't explain why you scumread me so you need a new Mislynch.

What happened to all your thoughts?

And if anyone on this board says I am a given alignment because of reasons or doesn't answer I will push them til they do. If they can't explain they keep getting pushed. If I get NK'd people will push you. You will give your reason of why you scumread me or face a shit ton of pressure. You should fear a math tunnel.

I gotta go to work.

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Lol my reads come from replacing in. Not nowhere. Can't speak for others.

Again why do you scumread me? I ISOd came to this conclusion. You still have yet to mention a scummy thing that gave you your read and why you wanted to hammer before I replaced in.

Gotta go to work.

Keep flailing. It will make others see what I see.

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Not explaining a read is scummy because it gives scum an avenue to pick a player at essential random and say they are scum. If not giving reasons is allowed then it is a place scum can hide.

So reasons. Now.

[MathBlade]

Depends on who my buddies would have been.

No you haven't. You haven't explained Dierfire. Considering I know I am town then I know you are full of shit.

I really gotta go.

[MathBlade]

It's either town-cass with scum BBT or scum-cass with scum-BBT. Either way, you're the best lynch because I don't see a way that you're town here.

In both scenarios, BBT is assumed scum, but you say Cass is the best lynch?

What is this?

*looks at RB's posts*

*looks at lack of response*

*repeats*

*glares hard*

That was my fault, Math. I misread the context. He was interacting with BBT.

How is RB not responding to a post directed at him YOUR fault?

VOTE: House

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I don't care if you asked him if the sky was green in Spanish and then translated into binary.

The point is RB should have responded and didn't.

You apologizing for the lack of response is suspect.

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Oh I just missed it VOTE: Unvote

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I look for town based on how they post. If they post shit posts they get a scum read.

It is like an RL cop if they see someone with a gun over a dead body who screams that they hate the person they aren't going to think setup.

Same thing. He keeps screaming I am scum without a reason. It makes games very unfun and there is nothing redeemable about it so I see no reason to townread them. If you are I suggest you see a doctor and get your intestines checked.

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Shit BBT is town fuck

[MathBlade]

VOTE: Unvote

[MathBlade]

Rereading later tonight.

BBT your play pisses me off. Gaaaah

[MathBlade]

No. If I explain it is antitown.

[MathBlade]

I will not lynch BBT today. Rereading after work.

[MathBlade]

Ok one of Chuck or Expedience is scum. Awesome.

[MathBlade]

After rereading some I am still convinced BBT and Expedience share the same alignment.

Based on House's weird attempt to crumb if BBT is not a PR lynch House immediately. House feels like he has been buddying me a lot especially with the numbers. Chuck feels like a buddy too. RB needs rope. Saru is on the back burner but still a scum read.

I have too many scumreads and that is a problem.

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Saru is meta and "gut" something is wrong there. I don't know how to explain it but even after looking at Saru's other stuff it just doesn't feel right.

My RB read is in my ISO and mainly RB is less confrontational as town IMHO. And some posts feel slimy. In Gistou (my playing experience with him) he started town and when I fake poked him he just brushed it off. He got confrontational after we made him join us. That and his interactions feel wrong as indicated in my ISO.

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My read on Dier is that while he could be scum I find it unlikely due to the fact he seems pretty null just like when I played with him in 1800. If he is scum it will sort itself out. I want to solve some of my 1v1s to get a better picture.

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Saru is meta and "gut" something is wrong there. I don't know how to explain it but even after looking at Saru's other stuff it just doesn't feel right.

My RB read is in my ISO and mainly RB is less confrontational as town IMHO. And some posts feel slimy. In Gistou (my playing experience with him) he started town and when I fake poked him he just brushed it off. He got confrontational after we made him join us. That and his interactions feel wrong as indicated in my ISO.

A few things:
1. Take a look at Newbie 1727 and tell me town!rb isn't confrontational
2. In Mini 1820 where I was force-replaced for it
3. Look at Dragon Age Mafia if you still doubt
4. I was actually more confrontational early in Gistou, but I actually townread you really strongly. If you look at my interactions with Ceph/RAM/Wayward who I was scumreading I was REALLY confrontational
5. I actually enjoy your play regardless of my suspected alignment, which I admit influences me being less confrontational towards you - I have more patience than with most others

You need to re-evaluate your read with those things in mind. Being 'off' isn't a thing I can defend against but I get your point since it's how I often end up scumreading people and being right too. If you have something I can actually respond to then feel free.

Not responding to this post as it involves an active game. Please do not discuss them.

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Chuck+rb for the wins.

VOTE: Chuck

[MathBlade]

*Smacky Smacky the Housey*

Bad house.

I would not have unvoted BBT if I was scum.

I also disagree with the assertion all scum are being replaced as I think it is Chuck+RB.

Quite happy where my vote is.

[MathBlade]

@rb alas I cannot respond to that post even with that removed sorry. If someone comes and reads here if I do they may make impressions of Dragon Age Mafia. Please rewrite it without that reference.

[MathBlade]

*Smacky Smacky the Housey*

Bad house.

I would not have unvoted BBT if I was scum.

I also disagree with the assertion all scum are being replaced as I think it is Chuck+RB.

Quite happy where my vote is.

It was a joke, Pi.

Pi is not so sure. If Chuck or RB flip town Pi goes back to suspecting Housey.

[MathBlade]

The game is up.

Your time has come rb.

Scum running the choo choo train.

Telling his partner he is getting bussed.

[MathBlade]

Afk for most of the day.

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VC 2.11

Chuck (3):

Expedience, House, MathBlade

Expedience (2):

Chuck, Cass

Dierfire (2):

Saru, BlueBloodedToffee

Cass (1)

: pitoli

House (1):

rb

rb (1):

House

Not Voting:

RyanK, Dierfire

With 11 alive, it takes 6 to lynch.

The deadline is in (expired on 2016-09-23 14:00:30)

pitoli and Cass are being replaced. No deadline extension.

My vote is down. You just don't like where it is.

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RyanK is prob town. Chuck+RB for the wins Dierfire could be a third for them or it could be you.

Want to get the others first because more sure about thems.

[MathBlade]

The game is up.

Your time has come rb.

Scum running the choo choo train.

Telling his partner he is getting bussed.

Math you can't be serious :/

Serious enough Mafiascum should consider my middle name serious.

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Actually, Dier DID push a slot. Lo and behold, an empty slot. golden.

Oh, and here's the kicker, he unvotes and backs off as soon as that slot gets filled with a player he knows is hard to get lynched. His excuse is "golden is not scum from D1 actions" after saying "golden is scum from D1 actions."

Factual correction: I am not hard to lynch. Just noisy and memorable.
Scum likely could push a Mislynch but whoever does will be remembered.

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Expedience I don't even remember why I was townreading, but from my POV the unlikely combos where if one flips red the other is basically conftown are:

BBT/Math
House/Ryan
Dier/BBT
Chuck/Expedience

I don't think any of these slots can be scum aligned with the other and I think if we can get the correct red flip in there town will win from there because Ryan is apparently innocent along with BBT. I think Math is town so we lynch Dier/Chuck/Expedience.

I actually prefer Chuck over Dier.

...This list is shit.

BBT / Math : If BBT flips Red it likely means House is with BBT. It means nothing for my alignment as I am loud and poke scum just as loudly as town. See 1800 for an example.

House/Ryan again not indicative. They push and talk and argue. House is vocal but sometimes he is just flat out wrong on things.

Dier/BBT I think BBT is likely town. However Dier I waffle on. More than likely once I came into the spot he realized I am town more than anything else. Dier I see the waffle he did but I don't think he is scum over one of RB/Chuck.

Chuck/Expedience I agreed with at first but that could have been bad distancing.

Want Chuck or RB.

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Like Math won't even double check their meta read against completed games I've had and they have it backwards. I'm more confrontational as town than scum, it's just I wasn't directly confrontational to them specifically because when we played I liked their slot and I townread them.

I can't contest a claim like, "you're being 'off'" either so I just have this nagging voice trying to lynch me with nothing but miscinceptions about what my towngame is meant to look like.

Me double check things? Not tunnel. What is this nonsense you speak of?

Don't like the Dier wagon.

[MathBlade]

At work way too much to read will catch up late tonight.

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Also, I don't have much experience with BBT as Mafia, but multiple other players who do have said that he can play with confidence as Mafia.

idc, confidence is not evidence of scum motivation.

Not lynching there.

Lol if it was House would be lynched because he posted a single word.

[MathBlade]

I have had a death in the family, very close to me. I will be V/LA for an unforeseeable amount of time.

I have done a brief skim. Thanks for replacing in SpySpy. This is me not hammering Dierfire. rb/Expedience are my top suspects.

@Mod may you please grant the powers of teleportation and hugs so I can give Chuck lots of hugs regardless of his alignment? Still think you are scum.

[MathBlade]

@Saru

Like, golden wasn't around and was being replaced, but Cass was very much around to answer questions. Why didn't you have a discussion with Cass on some of things you felt off about with her instead of just sitting on the wagon of an empty slot?

I attempted to address my concerns about Cass (quoted below). Does that change your impression here?

Spoiler: Quotes

I think that that's it from me tonight, but I'm promising to return with more focused reads on the remaining players within 24 hours.

Some small things that will help me with that:

--SNIP--

@Cass

@pitoli: he already claimed vt, didn't you read?? FoS: Pitoli

Why did this make you so suspicious of pitoli?

@Cass

This is hard to believe, because the post right above

[this]

was Martha repeatedly using the word VT and asking

[Glitch]

for reads before he's get lynched.) Made

[pitoli]

sound like scum eager and happy to hammer a townie.

(I tried to fix some things for clarity, let me know if this is not correct)

The phrasing "hard to believe" makes it sound as though you think that pitoli really had seen the claim, but it's unclear to me why she would, having seen the claim and filled with eagerness to drop a hammer, ask for a claim again rather than just dropping the hammer. Did I miss something?

Ugh why is everyone playing so bassackwards? Like Dierfire didn't care about impressions RB didn't feel so slimy House hasn't complained I am scum yet and Saru isn't poking me. And Expedience is actually correctly townreading me.

Like this game is all kinds of messed up.

And SpyreX Welcome and never attack me for RL EVER. I work in IT. I show up when I can how I can and still within the rules. I do not do "quickies".

[MathBlade]

Lol Now the tradition is upheld /le sigh of sarcasm

@SpyreX I am a literal person so I took that to mean about my activity in the game. If you mean the sexual act they can be fun.

[MathBlade]

Remind me: what prior experience to you have with me as Mafia?

Perfect, this is the perfect response.

Notice; I have asked Dier no less than 3 times to show me who is scum and why. What response have I had? Zilch.

Instead, he chooses to try and flag up a meta discussion at the veru first opportunity. You must have missed all the times I asked you who was scum, right? Hell no.

Who is scum and why Dier. It's a very simple question.

Pot kettle. Black.

[MathBlade]

Got it House.

And yeah. I am working on making my scum and town metas match but in a good protownie way? If they match it makes games more fun when scum and people analyze me not my word choice or whatever.

[MathBlade]

House my point was BBT is criticizing Dier for not providing the who and why when I did the same of him.

Hence pot kettle black

[MathBlade]

Oh and you mean Duh. Wow I am slow tonight

[MathBlade]

And Dierfire Experience becomes an official team

And in other news BBT still derping.

[MathBlade]

Possible*

Bad bad autocorrect

[MathBlade]

VOTE: Dierfire

L-1 for Dierfire

[MathBlade]

Why are you voting with BBT then?

Derping in his scumread of me. Derp implies townread but being stewpid.

[MathBlade]

Dier is so lucid. I feel really bad about lynching him even if he's scum.

When it is as icky as this one you bet.

I am trying this new thing called flying by seat of pants and gut. I hear those are things.

[MathBlade]

SpyreX, please come join the Kool Kids Klub.

I wish that i could be like the cool kids

VOTE: dierfire

I think this is hammer? I put him at @L-1?

[MathBlade]

What do you think of Syprex's hammer?

[MathBlade]

Since when do you care about how you look or if you are perceived as a hypocrite?

[MathBlade]

Driving home be on later tonight.

[MathBlade]

Blah. You make no sense to me House. Like I am seriously confused right now by you. And why you aren't poking SpyreX for the post above you.

@SpyreX -- That is a pretty bold claim that you are clearly right before the flip. What makes you so sure?

[MathBlade]

There is no such thing as a textbook post in Mafia. If you need one there is something wrong. It should be honest, raw, to the core things. If you play Mafia like a strategy I will end up scumreading you every time.

[MathBlade]

V/LA til Monday

[MathBlade]

Haven't had a chance to see why Expedience was killed after the flip and responses so no. I will catch up and investigate before a vote.

[MathBlade]

Ok, Math. But we are running House up to L-1 today.

Also House, before you get any more scared/defensive.... I am 85% sure about your alignment right now.
If you play ball with me, then I will be 98% sure by the end of the day

if you are town OR scum

.

If you are town, you want this. Because if you are town, I will know it, and so will everyone else.
If you are scum, obviously you don't want this, and so you won't play ball. But if you are town - work with me. If we follow my logic trail, your alignment will be revealed.

And it will happen. Either the easy way or the hard way.

I think it is Chuck+RB more than anything because Expedience died and it seemed like TVS in that mix. I don't think there is four scum in the game because that would be ridiculous for a game of this size. But if House is scum then BBT is NAI. He could have done it for towncred.

However I don't think House would try to blatantly try to manipulate me with numbers like that if scum. It is easily traceable.

[MathBlade]

Sooooo I've got a potential wrinkle.

I'm a 1 shot vig. I shot expedience last night. Which means we should go a crumb hunting.

Well that certainly puts a damper on my "Expedience would have jailed me so I can't be scum" line of reasoning. In fact it makes me look downright shady.

So I'm seeing a number of possibilities, knowing my own role and alignment I can definitely say Expedience dying is not my fault, so that means:

1. SpyreX is lying. And is scum who shot Expedience. And is paranoid of a track/watch which pins him to the kill, or is trying to get ahead of that, and draw out a potential cop claim too.

2. SpyreX is telling the truth, which means either scum no-killed (very unlikely), shot the same person (I've seen it happen before, and it has interesting ramifications), or scum was blocked/jailed (most likely option, in my opinion).

VOTE: Chuck

Chuck doesn't even hypothesize that Expedience could have saved the person who would have been shot.

Chuck seems smart why is he not pointing out all potential angles?

[MathBlade]

If SpyreX and scum both shot Expedience then I don't even know what that means.

Either way like was already said, we need to find out who he probably jailed.

Why would scum shoot Expedience over BBT?

House you aren't this bad either.

If BBT is a cop it could be wine.
If BBT is a cop Expedience could have jailkept BBT.

If BBT is not a cop and you are just wrong and Expedience didn't trust you he could have jailkept someone else and they were shot.


Cmon Chuck and House this is terribad.

[MathBlade]

VOTE: House

[MathBlade]

Townbloc -
Camn
Spyrex
Probably BBT

Scum -
House

Unknown -
All others. For now.


And for the haters: these opinions are based on solid reasoning and hard bona fide scum slips. I will lay out the case when the time is right. For now, work with me, and it will all be revealed before the end.

P-edit - good, rb. Good.

What is the reasoning for these reads?

I think I figured it out and it doesn't take a rocket scientist.

[MathBlade]

I support the camn plan. Good luck during my VLA

[MathBlade]

I am vanilla camn already claimed.

[MathBlade]

Leaving Titus to sort me means she will say I am scum every time. :/

[MathBlade]

I think you are scum, and you were rolefishing the whole time.

Agreed. I think he was also buddying me with the numbers.

[MathBlade]

Scum is running that house is caught scum vote a buddy before you go down gambit /sigh

[MathBlade]

Ah. You are?
Did you claim yesterday?

And house, what IS your read on Math?

Yeah when I replaced in I was at L-1

[MathBlade]

Scum is running that house is caught scum vote a buddy before you go down gambit /sigh

Huh?

When you have caught scum. You know they are going down and House and Chuck were really tight yesterday. To create distance house is voting chuck.

[MathBlade]

Chuck is voting me to try to pick up the steam from yesterday. I am the Mislynch wagon. Chuck and House are scum together.

[MathBlade]

I think it's rather convienent that Math's scumreads are the popular wagon and the guy voting for them.

Last scum is RB or Titus.

RB more likely.

It isn't about convenience. Look at all the 1v1's I had yesterday. They just all cleared up.

[MathBlade]

I think it's rather convienent that Math's scumreads are the popular wagon and the guy voting for them.

Last scum is RB or Titus.

RB more likely.

It isn't about convenience. Look at all the 1v1's I had yesterday. They just all cleared up.

[MathBlade]

Since when do you care about how you look or if you are perceived as a hypocrite?

How I look? Never.

Hypocrisy, however, is a huge sticking point with me.

I started suspecting Chuck and House after House didn't flip about the hammer and got a post or two in.

Considering this was House's last point to me I am thinking not. However House would be better to answer than me.

[MathBlade]

Math did you claim?

Gn everyone.

Yes I am a VT claimed when on replace in was at L-1. Just said that a few posts ago. Please read.

[MathBlade]

Aw, go easy on us replacements! It's a lot to take in.

That is taking it easy.

When Titus is town her reading is a huge asset. All I did was ask her to please read.

[MathBlade]

Chuck House and RB sitting in a PT
S-C-U-M-M-I-N-G

My intestines hate your posts rb

[MathBlade]

Ok Spyrex... I have role based info that makes me think House is scum. I wanted to lock him into some Shiz to really confirm... But I'm , like, 90% sure as it sits.

Should I just full claim and let everyone sort it?
Or should we just power lynch him since he is not cooperating with me?

I suspected as such based on something I read. Honestly a town Jailkeeper and

I am going to bed. It is 1 am here.

I am in a clean bill of health.

Anyone else who is a PR would end up CCing you after that anyway as no way town has 4 PRs. Full claiming has no merit and only benefits scum unless 1v1'd.

[MathBlade]

Town jailkeeper Town doctor and <redacted> are pretty much maxed out town power TBH.

[MathBlade]

Chuck and RB for the wins people.

VOTE: Chuck

I was the Mislynch wagon yesterday and RB pushes it today.

[MathBlade]

1) Comparing Realities BlueBloodedToffee
2) Saru
3) pitoli Titus
4) rb
5) RyanK SpyreX
6) golden009 MathBlade
7) Chuck


Dead
1) Glitch (Vanilla Townie)
2) Martha Zolanski (Town Doctor)
2) Dierfire (Vanilla Townie)
4) Expedience (Town Jailkeeper)
5) House (Mafia Neapolitan)
6) camn (Town Rolecop)

Three PRs dead in a 13 player game.

Do you honestly think 4 town PRs? I am almost of a mind a PR claim is a scum claim.

However I also find it weird that SpyreX even asks. And Weirder BBT doesn't use common sense here. I still think you are both town but it is weird.

Off to work now

[MathBlade]

Pedit:
Looks like RB was wrong still think Chuck is scum though.

[MathBlade]

BBT did vote Math anyway and he got really annoyed at me getting off the wagon. So it's wrong to say he didn't push for lynch on Math's slot.

VOTE: Math

UNVOTE: Math

Actually I want more time to digest this.

dat moment when rb realized he fucked up by straight up sheeping his scum partner outright.

Here is the rub.

SpyreX either checked you or RB night one.
If he checked you then you are a fourth PR and that is really hard to swallow.

If he checked RB then RB is vanilla town and you are more than likely scum.

I unvoted RB because I thought that RB was town was the crumb pointed out.

[MathBlade]

Rewrite Camn checked Syprex or RB*

[MathBlade]

1.) It's not obvious as much as bizarre. With house flipping neo, i find it more likely it has something with the result which would be bbt town.

2.) Considering some of the early vc, i could buy it being a slapfight.

3.) If i could shoot someone right now it would be saru. Probably.

Wish house flipping Neo and House's regard for BBT BBT probably got checked N1 and probably got vanilla town. House probably figured he would get town credit for saving the "cop".

His buddy of me also doesn't happen if we have scum chat. No reason to have numbers in a crumb like that.

More than likely House was PR hunting.

Which also explains the believing of my claim that occurred at L-1.
Because scum had a neo they knew PR heavy or Masons is what makes sense.

[MathBlade]

Scum is running that house is caught scum vote a buddy before you go down gambit /sigh

Huh?

When you have caught scum. You know they are going down and House and Chuck were really tight yesterday. To create distance house is voting chuck.

Why shouldn't I feel that Chuck was also voting scum and you're chainsawing?

Why would scum even be pulling this gambit? Why weren't you lyched when the other VT claimers were?

Math, answer?

Because of when I was on the ropes at L-1 before and people backed off instantly believing I am a VT (which I am).

It isn't a gambit. Scum trying to get some town credit. From the scum game I played with house previously (I was scum he was town) a long time ago it was one of my few non bus games. Mislynches needed to start and I was the easiest target. This feels like it is borrowing some from that.

[MathBlade]

Wait. I'm confused. I don't understand anything Math just said lol...

Camn either checked SpyreX and means a 4th town PR which is a stretch or Camn checked RB.

What I think it means gun to my head is Camn checked SpyreX because he asked what RB claimed so he could probably back it up that night making RB a scumread of camn's.

[MathBlade]

Cass definitely checked me night 1.

This is related to when I said that Cass must be scum. She knew my role in this game somehow, but I didn't take into account she could be investigative. Her being investigative made it clear. Ongoing games and all that, but Cass checked my alignment Night 1.

Wait a minute where did Cass know your role?

[MathBlade]

I don't know what to read BBT because House's buddying was SOO obvious it's almost TOO obvious.

Buddying isn't only for scum to town for the purposes of not voting them. It can also be because you don't want to lynch them yet. It is the latter I think occurred here. Normally I would be remiss to our my theory of BBT as likely vanilla but if he isn't he would instantly have voted SpyreX as BBT doesn't play as an idiot as 5 PRs would be bullshit from his POV so since he didn't instantly vote SpyreX either BBT and SpyreX are scum together or BBT is town and VT.

[MathBlade]

Right. I am asking how Cass knew your role.

Camn had two nights for two checks.

One of them was House and confirmed.

The other is either you or SpyreX.

[MathBlade]

Scum is running that house is caught scum vote a buddy before you go down gambit /sigh

Huh?

When you have caught scum. You know they are going down and House and Chuck were really tight yesterday. To create distance house is voting chuck.

Why shouldn't I feel that Chuck was also voting scum and you're chainsawing?

Why would scum even be pulling this gambit? Why weren't you lyched when the other VT claimers were?

Math, answer?

Because of when I was on the ropes at L-1 before and people backed off instantly believing I am a VT (which I am).

It isn't a gambit. Scum trying to get some town credit. From the scum game I played with house previously (I was scum he was town) a long time ago it was one of my few non bus games. Mislynches needed to start and I was the easiest target. This feels like it is borrowing some from that.

So why aren't you voting BBT then?

Because that paragraph is about House and I. He seems to be doing what I did in that game.

BBT I believe is only scum if SpyreX is.

[MathBlade]

That is my point. Exactly.

So RB wasn't a townread of Camn's at all and that is who Camn was going to check next.

[MathBlade]

So Chuck + RB or Titus + RB final answer.

VOTE: rb

[MathBlade]

I am eliminated because I am town.
Saru is eliminated because he replicated something I was looking for in 1800. This is their town game
BBT is eliminated because Camn likely checked SpyreX and got vig.
SpyreX is eliminated because Camn likely checked them and got vig.

This leaves Chuck Titus and RB. Or the entire team is BBT+SpyreX. (Doubting the latter a lot)

[MathBlade]

@Math, You're postulating that Spyrex BBT. That cannot be true is camn checked Spyrex. If camn checked Spyrex, Spyrex must be town.

For your scum bussing theory to be true, BBT would have to be the bussers from your perspective.

Yet, you say BBT is scum only if probtown is.

Your argument makes no sense.

P-edit: Abandoning the bus theory to vote obvtown by gameplay's ISO... O.o?

Again you do not understand my theory.

I am saying if Camn checked SpyreX. In the case Camn didn't it is BBT+SpyreX. I think it is most likely not BBT+SpyreX.

[MathBlade]

I don't know what to read BBT because House's buddying was SOO obvious it's almost TOO obvious.

Buddying isn't only for scum to town for the purposes of not voting them. It can also be because you don't want to lynch them yet. It is the latter I think occurred here. Normally I would be remiss to our my theory of BBT as likely vanilla but if he isn't he would instantly have voted SpyreX as BBT doesn't play as an idiot as 5 PRs would be bullshit from his POV so since he didn't instantly vote SpyreX either BBT and SpyreX are scum together or BBT is town and VT.

Because this.

[MathBlade]

House (as scum) claimed BBT was a cop when I started suspecting them.
It was with numbers so it was designed to buddy me.
So it was either A) BBT was scum or B) BBT was town and House wanted to not lynch him.

Knowing House was the Neopolitan means that he likely had mod confirmed information BBT was not a power role and was PR fishing.

So it is either BBT is a vanilla or BBT is scum.

Combine that with BBT not instantly voting SpyreX after a 4th PR flipping makes BBT town.

[MathBlade]

Suspecting them = suspecting BBT*

[MathBlade]

Okaaay rb I think it will be best if you just stick to more sheeping me and less talking

Knowing the house spot is scum (who replaced into gameplay506) this is likely communication assuming scum do not have daychat. (If they do then this is null and void)

[MathBlade]

rb you are doing what you did which made me lose my town read on you in the first place. Which now I remember. It was, you went from being a strong leader-type with conviction in your reads... to a pandering waffle house.

You've just gone from a strong read on the me/you/SpyreX triangle and a scum read on Math, to arguing with Saru (who is making a lot of sense) and agreeing with MathBlade (who is talking moonbeams and getting basic facts wrong).

Return your vote to MathBlade.

Preview: and now all of this is moot because I started writing this post and then had to do something else and when I finished it there were 20+ ninja posts.

Aaaand, two more.

Aaaaand, another.

What basic facts have I gotten wrong?

Pedit: Already did Titus will requote AGAIN for the second time.

If you think I am town, why aren't you trying to correct me?

If you think I'm scum why aren't you pointing them out to get me lynched?

Answer you're probably the last scum with RB.

[MathBlade]

The last three sentences are @Chuck sorry.

[MathBlade]

House (as scum) claimed BBT was a cop when I started suspecting them.
It was with numbers so it was designed to buddy me.
So it was either A) BBT was scum or B) BBT was town and House wanted to not lynch him.

Knowing House was the Neopolitan means that he likely had mod confirmed information BBT was not a power role and was PR fishing.

So it is either BBT is a vanilla or BBT is scum.

Combine that with BBT not instantly voting SpyreX after a 4th PR flipping makes BBT town.

Then that leaves you as the sole busser.

Or there isn't one. *gasp* House hammered pdq and Chuck was trying desperately to get a mislynch on me at the start of the day. As soon as I started pointing that shit out they had to rapidly change course. House then did a scummy thing and instantly hammered himself. There wasn't time IMHO for anyone to bus. Chuck could have hammered sure, but what's more likely is that he was still trying to find a mislynch or get a vote down on RB for distancing.

[MathBlade]

I am eliminated because I am town.
Saru is eliminated because he replicated something I was looking for in 1800. This is their town game
BBT is eliminated because Camn likely checked SpyreX and got vig.
SpyreX is eliminated because Camn likely checked them and got vig.

This leaves Chuck Titus and RB. Or the entire team is BBT+SpyreX. (Doubting the latter a lot)

Town
Myself -- VT

Likely town firms (both equal footing -- If they aren't they have to be scum together)
SpyreX (who Camn likely checked and got vig)
BBT who likely is town because SpyreX is and House's weird buddying.

Strong town read
Saru

Potential scum
Titus

Most likely scum team
Chuck
RB

[MathBlade]

You mean where I point out something that was likely a message from gameplay506 to you in RVS in gameplay's ISO...Yeah....Flail harder.

Pedit:

1) I'm not cherrypicking Titus.
2) Lawyer Titus knows that this is a leading question and horribly written and is trying to imply I'm trying to clear one over the other.
3) Gameplay actually scumfirms RB not clears him.

House specifically tried to buddy me in trying to say BBT was the cop. This happens in one of two reasons. BBT is scum or BBT is a vanilla town checked by the Neopolitan. The case of BBT being scum is summarily eliminated from the fact BBT did not vote SpyreX and the fact House buddied me with numbers to try to get me off SpyreX. It was specifically designed to buddy me.

Gameplay and RB clearly have crosstalk going on in RVS (in the sample I mentioned).

[MathBlade]

Catch is she tunnels buddies hard unless important.

House was gp. Math was golden. Golden created the dierfire wagon to save gameplay. Pretty straightforward stuff there.

Oh you mean like Gistou where I only tunnelled LLD because I thought it was inevitable?

And like lottery where I didn't tunnel Heartless until required?

My meta is constantly evolving. To call me a busser is ridiculous here sis.

You WANT to scumread me.

The question is whether or not you are doing this as Town Titus or scum Titus.

[MathBlade]

Golden wagon is the best wagon.

I'd rather not have the Mod go through the effort.

It's taking a while and I'm pretty sure Golden is scum anyway.

I could lynch rb after Golden.

We should lynch Golden before he is replaced.

Mathblade still looks like an excellent lynch.

There.

@BBT:

why haven't you pushed MathBlade harder? You seem fine to lynch anyone that is not you.
Who are your town reads?

@MathBlade:

why haven't you pushed BBT harder? And why are you pushing me? That's crazy talk + you keep saying "Chuck/rb" and doing this huff thing like everyone should know I'm scum, but where was your support when rb was getting wagoned?

VC 2.11

rb (3):

House, Chuck, BlueBloodedToffee

Chuck (2):

Expedience, MathBlade

Expedience (1):

Cass

Dierfire (1):

Saru

Cass (1)

: pitoli

House (1):

rb

Not Voting:

RyanK, Dierfire

With 11 alive, it takes 6 to lynch.

The deadline is in (expired on 2016-09-23 14:00:30)

You have been giving a lot of lip service to rb being scum, but you haven't actually put your money where your mouth is. You've still been voting me even when you could've been voting a bigger wagon on him.

Also, you think SCUM-me just decided to hop on this SCUM-rb wagon with SCUM-House (and TOWN-BBT?), to try to get a SCUM-rb lynched? Where is the logic there? There is none. Unless you think it was all some vast conspiracy with all of us bussing (and them two since D1, when House's slot was still gameplay), then this all holds no water.

None of what you're saying makes any sense from a game solving standpoint. It only makes sense from an agenda-pushing standpoint. And your agenda stinks.

VOTE: MathBlade

Way to fucking quickhammer people

*glares*

[MathBlade]

Chuck, Spyrex, RB, Titus -- That's hammer people

Chuck, RB, Titus << There are TWO SCUM IN THIS. DO NOT FORGET THIS.

[MathBlade]

@Chuck

My point was 4 TOWN PRs is capacity. Scum would have to have PRs for balance. 3 scum versus 4 Town then scum have 2 PRs likely for balance.

[MathBlade]

One of them was House. Then one of Titus/Chuck is a PR role for scum.

My guess is Titus based to her slight lurkerdom til I started naming the scum team narrowing or to push this mislynch.

Titus's hammer is ATROCIOUSLY BAD.

[MathBlade]

IT IS LIKELY TITUS AND RB SCUM WITH A BACKUP OF CHUCK. LYNCH RB FIRST TOMORROW.

[MathBlade]

TITUS WHY DID YOU HAMMER WITHOUT RB AND SARU ONLINE WITHOUT BEING ABLE TO SEE THE DEVELOPMENTS? OR ANSWER RB'S QUESTIONS WHO YOU SAID YOU TOWNREAD?

[MathBlade]

WITHOUT BBT AND SARU*

[MathBlade]

IT IS LIKELY TITUS AND RB SCUM WITH A BACKUP OF CHUCK. LYNCH RB FIRST TOMORROW.

If you are truly town I'm sorry, but I really do not understand your communication style ... if you can call it that.

And if you are town then I feel vindicated in suspecting pitoli as well.

Also I'm pretty sure if you flip town that I'm going to live until tomorrow given I'm not virtually conftown like SpyreX and I don't really feel like I have a handle on the game at all.

It is a simple matter of Accountant can come online at any moment and I want to make sure my reads get seen.

Titus instantly hammered without BBT or Saru being able to explain.

RB wanted to know why Saru townreads me.
Titus townreads RB

Why does Titus of all things cut off day early before her supposed townread is ready?

This needs an answer.

[MathBlade]

Seriously if i die i will haunt you all if saru isn't lynched tomorrow

BELAY THAT. DO NOT LYNCH SARU.

LYNCH RB THREE TIMES TO MAKE SURE HE STAYS LYNCHED. THEN GO TO TITUS OR CHUCK WHOEVER IS LEFT.

[MathBlade]

I WAS THE ATTEMPTED MISLYNCH ON DAY 2.

I WAS THE ATTEMPTED MISLYNCH ON DAY 3

WHY THE FUCK WAS I QUICKHAMMERED DAY 4 BY TITUS BEFORE LETTING HER 'TOWNREAD' RB TALK TO SARU?

TITUS+RB with a backup of CHUCK FOR THE WINS

WHEN YOU GUYS QUIT SHITPOSTING TO COVER MY FINAL READS IS WHEN I STOP POSTING THEM.

Or maybe when I have to drive home to bake some eggs for tomorrow. But then I keep posting again to make sure my reads get heard.

[MathBlade]

We've got it its not hard to follow that drum beat it's like hippies on the beach all damn night

You get high, I will get drunk.

ARE YOU GOING TO ANSWER MY QUESTION?

[MathBlade]

Part of me also hopes were all town and bbt and saru are just like what the shit happened

This is my artist's impression of what a BBT + Saru scumteam would look like right now: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g20_8-TPyTQ

And this is mine.




Oh....there's nothing there...Right.

BECAUSE IT'S IN FUCKING POSSIBLE.

[MathBlade]

My townreads were ready as evidenced by the posting math.

I am not in the habit of answering obvious things. :-p

You townread RB. RB was questioning Saru. WHY DID YOU HAMMER?

This is NOT an obvious answer.

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I WAS THE ATTEMPTED MISLYNCH ON DAY 2.

I WAS THE ATTEMPTED MISLYNCH ON DAY 3

WHY THE FUCK WAS I QUICKHAMMERED DAY 4 BY TITUS BEFORE LETTING HER 'TOWNREAD' RB TALK TO SARU?

TITUS+RB with a backup of CHUCK FOR THE WINS

WHEN YOU GUYS QUIT SHITPOSTING TO COVER MY FINAL READS IS WHEN I STOP POSTING THEM.

Or maybe when I have to drive home to bake some sugar cookies for tomorrow. But then I keep posting again to make sure my reads get heard.

Fix VIA PEDIT

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Math what do you think of Saru?

I think Saru is TOWN.

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The way you've treated gameplay all game is exactly how Math treated Karnos in Mini 1800, and they won in a clean sweep with that. Bus so hard that site meta dictates that, that's not possible and they turn a blind eye.

Even near the House hammer, you hesitated to vote him. YOU HESITATED TO VOTE YOUR 90+ PAGE SCUMREAD AT HAMMER TIME! LMFAO

This here. Saru played in 1800.

He'd know if I was replicating 1800 or not. He'd know whether I was bussing or not.

I was waiting on Saru to give a read on me based on 1800. How he did would confirm to me if he was town or scum.

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BTW, if we three are in agreement that we townread each other, the proper play tomorrow (assuming math town) is to have the pool of the suspects vote first). They can only vote each other. We confirm by vote pattern. Scum also must be in the 1 v 1.

CHUCK TITUS RB SYPREX SHOULD NOT ALL BE TOWNREADING EACH OTHER RIGHT NOW!!!!

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OMG WHAT THE EVER LOVING FUCK YOU GUYS?

You should be posting SERIOUS READS FOR BBT AND SARU TO SEE WHERE YOU STAND.

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Because Titus's reads post is clearly a joke.

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My lynch list looks something like:

BBT
Titus
rb
Saru
SpyreX
Me

OMG I ALREADY EXPLAINED THIS. BBT IS ONLY SCUM IF SPYREX IS...WTF.

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Why are we all gonna mysteriously die tonight?

If it's not clear where i am then well.

Ps. Lynch saru is 4real tomorrow.

I've got to many variables at this point hence my vc talk

*cries a bit inside....*

Saru is TOWN.

This game is nearly solved.

PLEASE LISTEN TO ME ON FLIP AND LYNCH RB FIRST. ANYONE WHO RESISTS IS PLAYING INCORRECTLY/STEWPIDLY OR SCUM.

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I will NOT chill.

You ARE TOWNREADING SCUM.

I will NOT chill as you are not listening.

You hear me but you are not listening.

If you wanted people to listen and talk you wouldn't have hammered.

If you were town you would at least make an effort to explain why you hammered.

You're not town.

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1) Assume I am confirmed town. (Because I will flip town if I don't feel free to ignore what I am saying.)
2) It is likely SpyreX was checked by camn.
3) BBT was a claimed cop by House (scum). This makes BBT a person House wanted to keep around and not lynch/mislynch that day. That means if BBT is town that he has valuable information that BBT should stick around over someone else.
4) House flips Neopolitan.
5) Knowing scum had a Neopolitan and were protective of BBT makes BBT either a vanilla townie or scum. House would have no reason to value a town PR over a VT. He would have agreed with my pressure of BBT if BBT was scum but deflected it.
6) The way House claimed it meant it was for me to see first. To get me to think BBT was a cop as House KNOWS I setup spec. (This was pre Titus entering the game). It was specifically crafted.
7) BBT does not instantly vote SpyreX at day launch after Camn's flip. This locks BBT into a VT or scum claim.

With me so far SpyreX?

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I did not call you stupid. I called your play stupid. Huge difference.

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If you did you wouldn't be saying the things you are. You wouldn't have the reads you do. And you would be pushing Titus for that god awful hammer she hasn't explained.

[MathBlade]

I WAS THE ATTEMPTED MISLYNCH ON DAY 2.

I WAS THE ATTEMPTED MISLYNCH ON DAY 3

WHY THE FUCK WAS I QUICKHAMMERED DAY 4 BY TITUS BEFORE LETTING HER 'TOWNREAD' RB TALK TO SARU?

TITUS+RB with a backup of CHUCK FOR THE WINS

WHEN YOU GUYS QUIT SHITPOSTING TO COVER MY FINAL READS IS WHEN I STOP POSTING THEM.

Or maybe when I have to drive home to bake some sugar cookies for tomorrow. But then I keep posting again to make sure my reads get heard.

Heading home now.

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GG at work will write thoughts later.

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Oh, that reminds me! I forgot to add MathBlade to the MVP list for catching House and being a solid all around player. She didn't do anything flashy, but I felt she was the epitome example of the kind of trust building/town working together mechanism that I said impressed me about town

Thanks! This is my first MVP ever. I just wish I had kept my feelings about House and Chuck solid. (They)

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It is nice to know my town game is improving.

Nice job Chuck getting out of that Titus. If I had trusted Titus I woulda tunneled you so hard.

You did a lot sis. We just gotta not tunnel each other.

But at least I am only half town derp.

Nice buddy House. I didn't think too much about it til you didn't push SpyreX.

Will be more detailed about the rest later.

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Accountant gets a QFT.

@RyanK what are you talking about? I am the artificial intelligence that stole Titus's sibling's body.