The Thing Mafia - Game over!

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vote 1svt

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For. The. Love. Of. Christ.

Please fucking lynch drealmerz. Please stop switching off just before we hit critical mass. I don't know if I can stand another day of "literally anything could be anything so that's an excuse not to commit to anything" and "heres reasons I think someone is scum but since they're not a popular scumread I won't push it" and "unintelligible grammar"

sorry daddy

vote dreal

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what are you waiting for?

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what's up my dogs

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taking me away from the kennels????????

naoooooooooooooooo

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nah dawg, I follow plans

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You're not lynched yet.
Maybe someone will come back and RALLY THE TROOPS and we can lynch 1SVT.
Maybe.
But I don't see it happening as Spiffeh's fallen behind in the game IIRC and Spy/UT aren't calling for a crusade so the people who can rally me aren't doing so.

I can't be the fire if I have no fire.

tomorrow. we rally tomorrow.

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end it

someone

please

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Aw let's not be sticks in da mud and we can do this together guys ye? We got everything in place we got the NAR thing all set

OKAY HAMMER TIME

http://i.imgur.com/lyV3ZrX.gif

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Aw let's not be sticks in da mud and we can do this together guys ye? We got everything in place we got the NAR thing all set

OKAY HAMMER TIME

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UT - You kinda suggested that the reason you were being rather acerbic was because you're going to be alive all game so you can't be shut up. Did I read that wrong?

Why would you being around all game make you want to turn your filter off? Why would it make you want to create a negative game state?

I don't think "not having a filter" and "making a toxic environment" are necessarily the same thing?

being around all game makes me not want to hide my reads or anything to avoid being killed (inb4 lol u have no reads!!!)

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sweet DREAMS
VOTE: Dreal

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BUS

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interesting

NK points to 1svt

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skybird and I were both where we were supposed to be

IN THE SCUM PT

DUN DUN DUNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNN

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but anyway we had a nice chat. we were both thinking SpyreX might need rope today

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These kills don't make any fucking sense with SpyreX as scum, is my problem

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VOTE: UT

Bring it on queerbait

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Magna, Tammy's last stance was a vote on 1svt when it was clear he wasn't dying. She was generally townread, so eliminating her would help to stop wagon momentum today.

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Dude do it. I'll flip town and get to keep talking and going to rooms and you'll just come off looking like someone who lynched someone who will call out bullshit.

By all means, keep pushing me instead of someone who actually makes sense given nightkills and actions.

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Well, like I already said, I think 1svt is a good bet for scum given Tammy's death

Shit, what scumteam that I'm on would make these kills? They're stupid as hell. I'm a little insulted that you think I'd let my scumteam punt like this on the kills.

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LOOLOLOLOLOLOL INB4 THEY'RE DUMB ON PURPOSE LOLOLOLOLOLWIFOM

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I think SpyreX is smarter than those kills, and I don't remember those players as being a particular threat to push him? Am I misremembering that?

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I guess I'm overvaluing the weight of day play, so you might have a point there

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And I guess I'm also hung up on the Titus kill, do you think that was made out of necessity rather than strategery?

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Espe struck me as a strange kill because why not just lynch him? Weren't a bunch of people scumreading him D1?

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Creature I sorta get. I don't know that he was especially lynchable.
Titus is a kill I don't understand from night actions. What was she a threat to do?
Tammy I don't really see as a night action threat especially?

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yeah but what I'm saying is that Epse is a strange kill from my POV because he was very lynchable

you're right though. they make sense from a mechanical perspective. I'm overvaluing day play.

honestly I think it would be useful at this point to confirm me as town so if you do want to lynch me then have at it. I'll even participate.

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Which is a another big reason Spy is my top scumread

Skybird and I thought the same thing. I'm on board with that.

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If you are so convinced of this why didn’t you vote 1Shot?

my reads have been super fucking off for the most part and I don't want to rush the day

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Um

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It concerns me that we're basically all in favor of the 1svt lynch. I still want it, but it's weird that there's zero resistance

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Psst scum try to save your buddy

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Ugh

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How is there zero resistance?

even with fucking DREAL people were saying "nah don't do that" or "I'm not doing that"

with 1svt it's just like "yeah he's on my scum list but here are other people too"

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SHENANIGANS I CALL SHENANIGANS

GET THE BROOMS

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Mafia is hard

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Oh, it's finally the day?

My body is ready.

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Stump. The scariest role

oh my god look out he's got a knife!

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I cry

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I'm a dangerous motherfucker

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didn't you hear, Skybird

we're lynching me today

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Princess Spiffeh declared that we were lynching me today

so I guess that's just what's happening

since that's how we decide things now

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by royal edict

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Throw me a bone here.
Besides yourself, who do you want dead.
Everyone is not an acceptable answer.

everyone

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1 shot vanilla town, can you replace out?

maybe we could just kill it though

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1 shot vanilla town, can you replace out?

yes let's DO IT

vote UT

bring on the conftown baby

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what the fuck is with the extra quotes all of a sudden

that clearly shouldn't be there

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dude I'm a treestump

conftowning myself is FINE if you people are going to go full retard like this

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lol

"immediately", shit

you've been trying to discredit me for damn near four days now. let's get this over with before it causes us to lose the game in LYLO

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ummm maybe

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I wanna be conftownnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn

but okay fine we can tradesies

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Titus was fine when it was just her in the slot

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what the fuckkkkkkkkkkkkkk get the votes back on me

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I do not want to deal with this bullshit in MYLO

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vote Spiffeh

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wait shit hold on

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vote SirCakez

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Today is.my time.ut. you can never be free

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8. If you die you are allowed one "Bah" post. Do not include anything game related in your post.

we'll call it a "bah" post

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transparently SCUM (woah)

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I mean look, here's the thing

MagnaOfIllusion
MariaR
SpyreX
PeregrineV
Firebringer
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Wraith
Spiffeh
Skybird
Andrius
1-shot Vanilla Town

are who we have left, and three of those sumbitches are scum. judging by how things have been going I'm willing to bet EVERYONE is hard townreading at least one scum right now. at least. again judging how things have been going I have a feeling that we're totally off course. In my profession if you just keep plugging away at the same thing that's failing, you're gonna be unemployed. I don't want to live my life that way. sometimes you just have to go perpendicular to get where you want to go.

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and I don't know what I want to do next, but it sure as hell isn't the thing that feels the most natural to me

my reads have been ballsacks for a while now. I need to do the opposite.

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yeah dude, I'm scum

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anyway I was mostly addressing me and my reads

but I'm encouraging everyone else to dig deep and reexamine

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You do you my man

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^ Spiff

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Man. That particular post...

Doubt besets me

which one?

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I want the next three lynches to be UT, Firebringer, Andrius

If the game isn't over by then, then it's SpyreX

There are people voting for Andrius, yet you are voting FA? what is that about?

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@UT

^ Spiff

Is this you having to choose the weakest town read or are you actually scum reading me?

it's my townread that I can't properly explain to myself other than "tone"

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Who are you scum reading again?

I came into today wanting to lynch SpyreX

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what was the point of that quote wall, MoI?

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Just fucking lynch me now. We'll get a conftown poster

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UT we need to lynch your buddies' strong roles though

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seriously though

vote UT

do it

do it

do it

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UT im pretty sure no one is suggesting we lynch you today, and yet you keeps asking for a lynch

people have been saying "oh he must be scum" for a while now but no serious efforts have been made to lynch me

I'm thinking this is an intentional way of trying to discredit my reads without actually getting the conftown that would come with my lynch

I want it to happen so that nonsense will end

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UT im pretty sure no one is suggesting we lynch you today, and yet you keeps asking for a lynch

people have been saying "oh he must be scum" for a while now but no serious efforts have been made to lynch me

I'm thinking this is an intentional way of trying to discredit my reads without actually getting the conftown that would come with my lynch

I want it to happen so that nonsense will end

Who specifically is doing this?

you, motherfucker

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I've made it clear that I am more confident that Firebringer and Andrius are scum than you are at this point. That is why I am not pushing for your lynch. If you are town, I certainly am not chomping at the bit to make you confirmed town by lynching you because your contribution today and for most of the game has been shit and mostly been beyond complaining that we're not lynching you. I find it much more valuable to lynch scum today and Firebringer and Andrius are where I think that will give us the best chance.

You literally have no provided any reads to "discredit" so I don't know where you're pulling that from. I mean you said you were scum reading SpyreX but you have yet to justify it or try to convince anyone of it

Like you're even fucking voting me despite saying earlier that I was one of your (albeit, weakeast) town reads, over SpyreX who you supposedly think is scum

So basically none of this makes sense and you are being bad

yeah, I'm pretty much checked out this game. all of scum reads being town and dealing with DT and then dreal just wiped me.

why am I still voting you? that's dumb.

unvote

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they're so cute

I'm so proud of my undergrads. they really knocked it out of the park this semester.

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I completely lost all joy for this game after dreal started shitposting 24/7/365

DT was bad enough, I was getting hopeful when Titus acted like she wasn't brain damaged

but goddamn I just am done right now

I kind of want to die because it might make me actually care

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who was egging me on with DT?

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Spy the thing is
I miss playing games with people
Xcom is great but solo
I miss games with people and drinking beer and having fun
Shrug

I no longer remember joy

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everyone wants to say I'm scum but I haven't seen votes

it's horseshit

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Man I wish

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Still a treestump up in this bitchhhhhhhhh

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I just think UT is a better overall vote imo.

Me toooooooooo

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what's our plan tonight?

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vote Andrius

nah, I'm getting on this bus late

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me and SpyreX in the kennels

the dream team

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quick, fire, vote for me so I can get cleared

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RUH ROH

SCUMCLAIM ALERT

PRINCESS SPIFFEH SAID IT WAS A SCUM CLAIM

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I'm a heartbreaker, that's for sure

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I had limited resources with that poster

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look at sexy shirtless me though

I'd let me break my heart

rawr

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I'd fingerbang your sister during it

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woah woah woah

we'll just censor out most of the fucks and go for the PG13

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I am the one who funs

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we're going to the kennels tonight

party hard

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can I take my vote back

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Fire

seriously

tomorrow

let's start a coup

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Andy come on

how can our intrepid heroes really save the day if we don't almost lose by lynching all our friends

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let Andy replace into the slot if Andy is town

plz SC

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SpyreX didn't want to talk last night it was very sad

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I swear to god if you try to lynch fire today I will go to a room alone so scum can kill me

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how does ^ that actually follow anything that just happened

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oh come on don't be wusses

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I'm just doing this because Maria said she'd get dead

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and also I wasn't a huge fan of what you said at the day opening. protesting the night kill is a classic scumtell

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and also I don't give a fuck, this game is a totally loss already for me

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UT tell me the good things you did this game so I dont have to check them either :3

if I was scum I would have bussed the everloving shit out of Andrius

MoI back me up here

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UT is probably the best lynch, when i get home (in like 5 hrs) let me double check few things re: UT/Andrius interaction.
UT tell me the good things you did this game so I dont have to check them either :3

Other than that, I'm for the most part with maria here, Fire's been flaily recently but its hard for me to feel good about reversing a strong townread based on that and fires earlier play had read very consistently town to me. Im trusting the strength of that above the current reasons for fire death which dont really have me that excitedd

but honestly I really don't give a fuck if I get lynched today.

but I do have to say, you trying to echo maria is uh.... questionable

UT tell me the good things you did this game so I dont have to check them either :3

if I was scum I would have bussed the everloving shit out of Andrius

MoI back me up here

but if your scum, you technically did buss....you were just late to it...

son you just got done riding my coattails to a scum victory. what did my bussing look like? was it that?

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hahaha

and you wonder why I cannibalized your corpse so hard.

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woah woah if it's anyone it's me

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I'm still in ABM mode yo

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I do not want to die a painful nuclear death

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wooo!

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I love when people say "this is what we're doing today" and then we don't do it

I love it so much

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wooo!

This dies

that's what I've been saying all game!

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I want to make a compilation of all the times people have said "THIS IS WHAT WE ARE DOING" and then pair it with all the times it didn't happen

You'd think people would get the hint that no one gives a shit about their opinions and they aren't in charge of anything, but I guess being dumb is a pretty powerful drug

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Something something dunning krueger I guess

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what if we lynch me first

pretty please with bacon on top?

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ugh

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dear god why

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po tay toes

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vote SpyreX

I don't really see this not happening today so

wooooooooo

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BUT I really want MoI to reveal who he targeted these past few nights (or quote where he has done so) because I don't think he ever said that?

this would be good yes

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yesssss more votes on me please folks

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I wanted it to be me the last three days

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note how I'm not baiting a no lynch

look how town I am ~~~~~

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VOTE: SpyreX
That's L-1.

Wraith, here's the deal. I think you might be scum. What have you done that should convince me otherwise?

what if we just lynch Wraith instead

SpyreX is such a dandy feller

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inb4 SpyreX scum flip

god I just don't fucking care about this game

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My point being that either I've been

extremely

willing to bus my scum buddies or I'm town. Up to you to decide.

I just won a scum game hiding behind this exact argument

And also hilarious images

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I believe in Princess Spiffeh

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We no lynch today...

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no lynch

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well yeah obviously don't quickhammer the no lynch. I'm just saying it's what we should do today

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what happened to you wanting to lynch me?

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convenient!

vote no lynch

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why

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scum did a good job of setting me up and I don't really care if I lose so... have at it? the only reason I didn't replace out is because it would be super cruel to make someone replace into this game

I mean, sorry that's a shitty attitude, but... that's what it is. I'm not going to have a lot of time to actually reread anything until this weekend and I doubt the other two town will actually care about my opinion, so.... this is your game to lose, guys

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might I just say, bravo to the remaining scum. I have no strong ideas about who you are. I wish I could go down yelling cassandra about my scum reads but I really just don't have any clue.

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UT what room were you in and was Skybird with you?

Skybird was in the Kennels with me

a'yup

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if we're going to lose regardless though

vote Spiffeh

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UT do want to even venture a guess as to who the remaining scum are?

Or like, anyone you have confident town reads?

why are you even bothering to ask this? if you really think I'm going to flip scum then you know I won't answer this or that my answers will be complete nonsense and WIFOM

I know lynching me ends the game, so why would I bother? if even one town player votes me then we get the quickhammer. given that Maria/MoI/you have all said you'd vote me there's a 100% chance there's gonna be a town vote on me so what's the point?

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if you're town, and you actually want to win the game though

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Because if you are town I'd prefer if you'd try to convince me I'm wrong

Like I'm perfectly willing to hear out anyone who thinks I'm wrong about Maria or MoI

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if everyone wants to take time to get everyone's opinions out there and is willing to hear me out sure

otherwise just end it scumfucks

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and here we see the scum in its natural habitat, laying out the possibility for a bus?

it's magical

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that's what I was saying though. the scum have done a really great job this game

hell, I just want to self vote and give them the victory they deserve

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really wishing right now that I'd let someone else have this treestump

I've been useless

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~meta is trash~

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but if you're going to go by meta bullshit

remember that game we just finished where your analysis of votes and player interactions showed you how town I was

:3

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remember, how you and that player you vigged handing me the game both wrote longwinded analyses about how unlikely it was I was scum because of all the votes and interactions? remember that?

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remember that time this game when Andy got out big neon signs that said "UT IS MY BEST FRIEND LOOK HOW BEST FRIENDS WE ARE I CAN'T POSSIBLY BUDDY HIM ANY HARDER" and then pointed them at me

like, not even as a meta point, but if you think I'd sign off on my scumbuddy doing that you're just insulting me, bruh

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yeah and the point I'm making is that this game and that one are very different situations but you're claiming they're the same

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Why should anyone be reading you as Town this game?

look, I've already said I've been trash this game and scum deserves the victory

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META BAD, UT SMASH

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wait, when did I say I didn't want to lynch EP?

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"I am willing to lynch EP"
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"I am willing to lynch EP"
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Great. Is he scum or are you just looking for any non-you lynch?

I know that a me lynch results in a loss, so... the distinction is kind of irrelevant?

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eh, get bent

vote Spiffeh

if we lose, we lose. I'm at least going to be the catalyst for it instead of lamely waiting for my mislynch.

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Ok good I won't have to make a decision now

If you're town that's a terrible vote tho and you should unvote

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your reign of terror is at an end, princess spiffeh

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I don't understand the relevance of that gif

he's taking bread from orphans

much like my vote helps to take your victory from you, regardless of your alignment

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is okay Maria

you can vote spiffeh now

we all be happy

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why don't you vote E, then?

he's on all of your potential scumteams

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why drag me along for four days straight saying you want to lynch me later when my lynch would be beneficial to town regardless of its outcome

except you wait to actually try to do it until the one time when you being wrong loses us the game instead of getting a conftown poster?

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you say, as I'm voting someone

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if I'm so definitely the lynch today then vote me you big wuss

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oh nah, I know, I'm just being belligerent

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now would be a good time to try to talk me into moving my vote to EP though

instead of just whining about how town you are

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well the game is over if we lynch me soooooooooooooo


hitoshrug!

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but, Spiff, because you were such a great partner in DEFCON I will give you the unvote so we can either talk about EP or only one town player can lose us the game! it's the lady's choice

unvote

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you think me you and spiffeh are the town? w u t

I didn't say that. My point was that it only takes one wrong vote.

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it's still scummy as shit that you've been trying to hang me out as mislynch bait all game and saying "oh, we'll do it later"

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And UT if he actually decides we're worthy of his effort.

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THAT BEING SAID it's pretty clear that EP wrote that post with "HEY, UT, VOTE SPIFFEH WITH ME" in mind

that's my thought on it

also the colors are distracting

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Not my fault scummier people presented themselves. If that's what I've been doing why don't you try to refute the reasons I have for scum reading you? Clearly they're not genuine in your eyes!!!

Also that's pretty bullshit. MoI can attest that I've been presenting you as a lynch in the neighborhood since like Day 2-3 and was pretty much shot down by everyone. Similar things took place in the thread.

UT once again has to piggy back off someone else voicing suspicion of me without acknowledging my actual posts and content.

That is literally the only card you have, keep playing it.

I don't understand, you were presenting me as a lynch in the neighborhood but people shot it down so you didn't go for it? why not? why is it important to you if your neighborhood buddies are totally on board with your wagons?

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additionally, how did the neighborhood react to you wanting to lynch Goatmeal and Andrius? did you not go through with that unless you had their blessings? if so, why are you trying to take credit for those wagons when you would only pursue them in earnest with the support of a bunch of people with unconfirmed alignments?

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I ultimately end up hopping off your wagon and pushing the Andrius lynch that day. You've claimed that I have been grooming you for a mislynch for LYLO. So you're suggesting that I stop going after you in favor of bussing my universally town read buddy to the ground all so I can keep you as a future mislynch.

and this is a major factor to why I'm not voting you

budddddddddddddddddddddddy

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EP, if you're really so confident why aren't you voting?

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why, is he going to change your mind?

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what I'm getting at is it looks like you don't want to do it unless you think you'll have company

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I mean, it's pretty standard chainsawing?

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vote EP

go for it ladies

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look at all those quickvotes

they're just rolling in

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I’d chose EP

prove it with your vote

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hey look at that, Spiffeh and MoI are at least not scum together

shock of the century right there

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If EP was so sure UT was town why wouldn't he be freaking the FUCK out that he just voted for them?

After they pretty much proved to be on the same page regarding me?

Probably because that read is bullshit!

we're not on the same page, obviously

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is there any particular reason you're not voting for EP yet? you're unwaveringly scumreading him, are you not?

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yep, you caught me

so dastardly

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why would you block Spiffeh?

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why would MoI block you though? what does that gain us?

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shouldn't he be claiming his target so we get a potential clear in the event of his death?