Still the same as always I see.
Infernal Affairs - Game Over!
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Why would you want town to lose unless you're scum?In post 36, Galron wrote:
Í'm stoked for another town loss.In post 29, Firebringer wrote:how is it going galron
VOTE: Galron-
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Meh, don't really care so much about setup spec unless theyre really heavily known for it or the theme is just perfectly set up for it.In post 46, Firebringer wrote:
Could be. Its pooky so i am guessing the chances are slightly negative.....In post 44, Tejate Raichu wrote:I was about to ask why your I had an accent.
Anyways, let me be the first to quickly ask something about the setup since I haven't really played many closed setups before. When I was reading through the rules, I didn't see anything regarding counts of specific factions. Based on your guys' experience, do you think it's possible there may be a neutral wincon role in this setup?
i don't remember him ever playing that much around with neutrals
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If you want my vote, stop being so townie.In post 49, Firebringer wrote:i would like all votes on galron to be transferred to me.
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I don't need free town points.
That much being said this really reminds me of the FireBear hydra Good Luck Buddy, so the requests for self votes feels all too natural coming from you.-
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It wouldn't be fair to anyone Fire. I have mad Quads energy at the poker table. Seriously, I've ridden 7-2 offsuit and improved from 2 pair to a full house to quads in one hand. I'm clearly too broken for that.-
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How many is too many, and why is it here? Any thoughts on the other votes on the Firebringer wagon, or just Tejate?
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I don't think he's saying there's an elim risk, but more that he doesn't like the number of votes there? It's why I want to grill him to figure out just why this is too many in his eyes.-
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I think you've quoted the wrong post or something. I was talking about grilling Momo in that post, nothing at all about Tejate.
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Why is this shift scummy? Even I was a bit goofy for a little while, giving in to a little bit of the RVS fluff, and became serious around the same time as your vote too. Do you scumread me for doing the same thing?In post 91, momo wrote:
My vote was mostly just RVS with a mix of wanting to push the game along (because the Fire wagon wasn't really doing that) but I'm not particularly liking his response.In post 76, MagikHorse wrote:I don't think he's saying there's an elim risk, but more that he doesn't like the number of votes there? It's why I want to grill him to figure out just why this is too many in his eyes.
He shifted from troll-ish (Post 56 & Post 64) to serious (Post 75) after just one vote on him.
Then Post 84 is keeping up the defensiveness while Post 88 and Post 90 seem almost unnecessary - there's no reason to send them unless you're trying to appear agreeable for some reason.
Could just be an overactive, new-ish user with some downtime in the evening - his listed timezone is PST so that makes sense - but benchmarking to the "normal" I don't particularly like it.
I'll keep my vote here.
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STD, how is Tejate coming up town to you? I'm perhaps a flummoxed by a single post of theirs, but at best I'm coming up null.-
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I get the same sincere vibe from them too, though 44 irks me a little bit. If I hadn't talked with Tejate before we signed up and saw him chatting about setups I'd expect it to be +scum equity, but not after seeing that sort of curiosity offsite.
I do like 94 as a response at least, and that's where a lot of that genuine tonality can be found. It's not argumentative, it's simply laying it down as it is and moving on. It's something I've felt before a time or two, and can get behind.
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Hopefully the former. I'd like a little content with that hello, whether it's a vote or an actual statement about the game.-
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Fire is a gut thing for me. As long as I avoid onions my gut should hopefully lead me to success on that front, because I'll admit that I suck at reading trolley accounts any other way. I still remember it going terribly wrong with Not_Mafia in one of my old newbies when I tried to actually think him out.
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What cause do you have to hide it from the town at this stage of the game?In post 118, hellbooks wrote:
ok ! ! !In post 116, Andante wrote:That’s a spicy take!!! Sounds like you have a reason for it, and I’d LOVE to hear it
let me just share it to u in secret... (i dont want the randos to hear!)
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"Incredulously quizzical of the unusually dodgy" isn't a hard state of mind to return to, especially when said individual is angling towards obfuscating as much as possible to continue to be unusually dodgy. Not_Mafia can testify that I abhor excessive dodginess after Newbie 1860, it just doesn't help anyone sort you at all and gives off the appearance that you feel the need to hide yourself from the thread.In post 127, hellbooks wrote:
going to wickedly dodge this question and say that you are also a Person of Interest so I would like to get to know u better. for examples: how are you doing rn? can you return to your state of mind from when you made this statement?In post 120, MagikHorse wrote:What cause do you have to hide it from the town at this stage of the game?
You could render my thoughts of the moment in a single sentence: "Why try to look town instead of justIn post 127, hellbooks wrote:
what feelings and thoughts were running through your head? did you think about how it would have been read when you wrote it or did you just think-and-send?In post 60, MagikHorse wrote:I don't need free town points.
feel free to wickedly dodge these questions back! fair is fair!being town?"
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Firebringer is a shitposting trolley player. One that at least plays the game unlike some, but this behavior is stuff I have seen from them before as town in Anything uPick in the Good Luck Buddy hydra, so it's somewhere between NAI to +town for him.In post 138, Nero Cain wrote:*3rd post
and I don't see why not? Like I'm not saying its a fire-tire panda team or anything just that I don't think Fire "shitposting" and calling for votes on himself is particularly pro-town.
of course, he and others will just wright it off as shitposting and say that scum wouldn't bring that much attention to themselves
but that's how I feel so eh
Bad vote.
Is this a meta call or something?In post 145, Scorpious wrote:wow 4 posts from DW in less than 20 minutes.. easy there hoss.. Town DW-
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What in any of those posts is "effort"? It'sIn post 150, Scorpious wrote:In post 149, MagikHorse wrote:Is this a meta call or something?
indeed at least a town lean for effort so early, rarely will you see that avatar more than twice on a page.
-a vote with no real explanation
-him backing off as soon as it's questioned by the very player he was supposedly scumreading, all while also placing his vote on a player that seems to be trying to push the game forward early
-a weak excuse of "not reading" to explain his bad vote
-and a one word "yes" answer to a simple question
So, what exactly makes this "effort" (I really struggle to call it that) town-oriented when it really seems so easy to fake and low effort overall?
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This is a possibility, but I also haven't see you rooting around for scumreads as scum yet. Haven't seen any of your scum games though I'll admit.In post 157, Firebringer wrote:
Wait were u really townreading meIn post 128, Andante wrote:
That’s not a bad thing!!! I’m town! Feel free to TR meIn post 126, hellbooks wrote:
i feel like im being strongarmed into wanting to townread you from you being likeableIn post 121, Andante wrote:wow… so spicy!! love it tbh!!!
@CSF I mean, it’s not a TR I’d die for, just an early gut read I had, consider it a town lean vs lock town read, and I liked the overall energy coming into the game, felt like Fire wasn’t afraid to post/afraid of appearance, was just having fun, breaking the ice, making it super easy for people to make an entrance. That kind of stuff I generally view as townier rather than as scum behaviors
I feel like at this point u should know that’s my personality ur town reading not play
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Whichever key you're in, I'll provide the backup vocals for this one.In post 155, Firebringer wrote:In post 118, hellbooks wrote:
ok ! ! !In post 116, Andante wrote:That’s a spicy take!!! Sounds like you have a reason for it, and I’d LOVE to hear it
let me just share it to u in secret... (i dont want the randos to hear!)
whisper whisper whisper whisper
pretty good right?!?!?
Low key scumreading hellbrooks hereIn post 126, hellbooks wrote:
i feel like im being strongarmed into wanting to townread you from you being likeableIn post 121, Andante wrote:wow… so spicy!! love it tbh!!!
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Like really, 116 could be a personality annoyance thing, but 126 is just all kinds of stinted and doesn't feel very natural.-
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Okay yeah, Firebringer did do the whole "I'm scum scumread me" thing as actual scum too. Very mild townlean retracted, clearly this is the scummiest of the scums in the universe.
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That could be said of every interaction, and says nothing at all about the tonal shift.In post 175, hellbooks wrote:
i'm gathering evidence! if you act at someone they'll act right back!In post 169, Firebringer wrote:The tone dissonance, yeah first post sounds like hell is messing around with /annoyed sarcasm then the next post sounds not all aligned with that. Especially with previous ones. It’s big mood shifts-
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A good question. Before, though I didn't mention it immediately so I could try to figure out whether I was blinding myself with some sort of playstyle difference given your tight-lipped start.In post 191, hellbooks wrote:
it should be clear that my post was not on-its-face genuine given that it didnt come with an unvote. im still invested in pushing andante but i'm not scumhuntingIn post 181, MagikHorse wrote:That could be said of every interaction, and says nothing at all about the tonal shift.superseriously right now because im still identifying people im interested in poking at, i've only meaningfully chatted with a few people, and we're still at a stage where reads change pretty quickly ! did my post stand out to you before or after firebringer brought it up?-
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Policy lims really don't attract me the way they once did. Just not much information on them, too easy to hide scum following along, and I just really don't see the need for anything like that looking at this game so far.-
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Nah, not interested in chucking out Fire. We'll see his loyalties in good time. Don't know much about Toog short of the fact that he never rolls scum, so I'm fine with sorting him out later.-
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What do you make of this reluctance to vote there?In post 265, Nero Cain wrote:What about him not wanting to vote Toog or Fire? Is that a reason too?-
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Toog is a bit fluffy, if an actual case shows up or he continues to be 100% fluff I could reconsider there, but I'm not backing down so easily on Fire. There's been a couple posts that just seemed like a page straight out of my mind, and that's hard to just ignore this early in the game. I'm inclined to give that a pass for now.In post 270, Nero Cain wrote:prob wrong town hence why TR wants to give you a pass. I'm sure I'm wrong but it just seemed like interesting timing that you said you wouldn't vote Fire and maybe Toog and then TR comes in hard town reading you.
Also, look at Toogs ISO. Like it been a min b4 I played with him and maybe he's normally that fluffy but I'll find that out when I dive a little.
Pedit: Just what is Keeper doing here?
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Can you point me to a couple posts that give you this sort of feeling?In post 314, Tejate Raichu wrote:
Interesting thing to imply that I'm SRing you because you don't TR me. I have absolutely TR'd people that have scumread me, so no this isn't OMGUS. The issue is that I can't see where you are coming from if this is with a town mindset. Your posts do not smell of wrongtown, they smell of scum making their first push of the game on a viable looking wagon.In post 294, Andante wrote:
Alarm bells? cause I don't TR you? lolIn post 289, Tejate Raichu wrote:Andante, their reasoning is already setting off alarm bells in my head. I do not really appreciate this level of straight up ignoring context in order to push a wagon that already has several votes on it.-
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If they were trying to set up a wagon for later, why start pushing you now instead of, you know, later? If it was just shade I could maybe see it being a setup for future use, but not when they throw their vote down so quickly and then continue to push it through. That narrative doesn't fit so well.In post 318, Tejate Raichu wrote:280, feels very much like they're searching for reasons to hop onto my wagon where they don't realistically need that many. As if they're trying to build a strong case against me so they can push me as the main wagon later in the day.
287, subtle shade without actually trying to engage my slot. I don't think asking for thoughts on other players is very unusual or particularly scummy, but the way it's phrased in this post just has some ineffable bad energy about it for me. It feels agenda driven rather than earnest.
The shade in 287 is pretty bad though. Does Andante have utterly no thoughts on me to write off the idea so quickly? (the answer is no, he admits to "liking my lines" in 294.) It's rather self evident that they took the whole "day pass" thing as scummier than most others, and maybe I've got a little bit of a bias here, but it really feels like he stuck to the surface level and doesn't believe that anyone else could read me as more town than he thinks, or at least not enough to look past me for a little while?
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Are you saying you should be townread Tejate? If you're not I don't see why you're complaining about them pushing you to learn more.-
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Honestly, I don't like either side of that 1 for 1 between Tejate and Andante the longer I look at it. Too many assumptions, doesn't really seem much like either was reading the other well.
No, saving people for later in a large game is not that suspect. Feels like an overreaction at best.
No, I don't think Tejate was scumreading Andante for "not townreading him". That assumption is just plain bad.
Yes, I do think ducking away to "avoid lolhammers" was very weak and scummy reasoning. There were nowhere near enough votes for that concern from Tejate.
No, I don't think poking Hellbooks for information about Tejate is a bad thing. Feels like reading way too deep into nothing, and I buy Andante's response to that point.
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Quite the spicy take, but do you have any reasoning at all behind it? A naked vote really doesn't help me figure you out that well.
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Ignoring Innocent Child roles and other mechanical reasons (e.g. Night 0 cop checks) to confirm a town early, some people can be read really easily by the effort which they push the game from a standstill, or through meta reasoning. Tejate seems to believe that it's far more likely that my attempts to get the ball rolling are from town than scum (assuming I'm reading his posts correctly), and though he's hesitant to townbin me too early in fear of me just being a ridiculously strong scum with an amazing opening (A presumption here, but I have seen this sort of thing turn on people too when an early townread turns out to be more manipulative late) decided I wasn't worth looking into so early. Could be he simply thinks I look town enough for now that he doesn't want to spend his time looking deep into a fairly active poster he believes got a strong town start until there's more evidence? Sems the most likelt scenario in my eyes, seconded only by a scum pocketing attempt.In post 344, Andante wrote:
How do I even look bad from that? I think it's terrible to go "X gets a d1 and d2 pass" LESS THAN 24 HOURS into the start of a game. especially a giant game. Like, sure ok say "I'll sort X later" but by saying you're giving X a pass, it's like, "I'm not even going to attempt to read you till later" which doesn't feel like pro town to me at all. I know we all have people we wait till later to sort, but I'll at least make an effort to read them. no one gets a full 2 game days pass... no oneIn post 333, MagikHorse wrote:Honestly, I don't like either side of that 1 for 1 between Tejate and Andante the longer I look at it. Too many assumptions, doesn't really seem much like either was reading the other well.
No, saving people for later in a large game is not that suspect. Feels like an overreaction at best.
No, I don't think Tejate was scumreading Andante for "not townreading him". That assumption is just plain bad.
Yes, I do think ducking away to "avoid lolhammers" was very weak and scummy reasoning. There were nowhere near enough votes for that concern from Tejate.
No, I don't think poking Hellbooks for information about Tejate is a bad thing. Feels like reading way too deep into nothing, and I buy Andante's response to that point.
Hard to say which looks worse.
Mostly though it seems bad that you can't tell that it's a difference of opinion and keep pushing it like absolutely everyone has to play the exact same way, or that nobody can set a player aside so early. At best that's a bit self-centered, at worst it's attempting to undermine the early townleans on me and keep me closer to the lim pool.
It also ignores that Tejate later said that I had to at least maintain some of my current behavior to remain in this state, and that it wasn't going to exclude me from attention should I start to behave more strangely, which kind of leads me to believe that it really is just a fancy "I'll look at you later" line that's being taken far more strictly by you than them.-
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What is AI from them then, if I take this as truth?
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I've only had three scumgames on this site. One of them I got I'll and replaced out halfway through D1 after coming under fire. Another was a rapid game over the course of 2 hours or so where I was scum with Fire and was the second largest wagon. The third my mafia buddy got elimned D1 and I surrendered Day 2 because I was jailkept and mechanically screwed. The only game you can be talking about is the latter, and I don't have time to check that game out from work to refresh my memory.In post 358, Frogsterking wrote:BTW I've played against town!Andante in rapid games as both alignments and she has good intuition; her early reads are likely to outperform what we can expect based on random chance.
I've played against scum!MagikHorse once before in a newbie game and they fooled everyone.
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And with pre-flip associatives too. What's that all about?In post 365, Toogeloo wrote:Imagine wanting to eliminate someone because you are scared of their scum game...-
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Okay? You've pointed to a game where you read me well once. What likens me in this game to that one beyond "playing well"?
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I don't like meta as a major part of a case, and this case against me so far is exactly that. It's just "I think I can read him" with no meat on those bones so far. What am I supposed to respond to here?-
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Can you explain your Tejate read? They're a player that's just generally confusing me after that 1v1.In post 382, Cat Scratch Fever wrote:Surprising vote. I'm townleaning Tejate right now, and I feel like usually our reads are similar when we're both town.
I was in this game on my other account! I actually correctly scumread you there.In post 364, MagikHorse wrote:Another was a rapid game over the course of 2 hours or so where I was scum with Fire and was the second largest wagon.
Small world too. Glad Fire had it in him that game to win it, because I was just unable to keep up with that many pages that quickly.-
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I'll at least give him the chance to say something worthwhile there.In post 398, hellbooks wrote:
reads to me like "i dont want to be yelled at for not having a case but im also anxious about posting a case"In post 397, hellbooks wrote:additionally, i dont like this-
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viewtopic.php?f=57&t=76726 back in July 2018.In post 411, Firebringer wrote:Magik what game r u talking about? i literally don't remember playing with u-
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To be fair it's an older game in the Marathon forum and wasn't super memorable to me either, short of getting carried by you as my scumbuddy and getting overwhelmed by the game speed.-
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To be fair I haven't played the game and trying to understand half of what your saying is difficult. The other half is all context clue driven. Still makes it a pain, and I don't want to go through the hasslt of asking what you mean every single time (such as with posts like this one).In post 400, The Keeper wrote:
Imagine getting game over'd just because people are caught in a Curse of Darkness.In post 365, Toogeloo wrote:Imagine wanting to eliminate someone because you are scared of their scum game...
Happens to me far too often.
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By "the game" I mean the Isaac franchise, I really don't know what is what there.-
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I don't think merely being a gimmick alt playing like a gimmick alt is really unusual? Sure, +scum points for the general lack of content, but if content is really what you're worried about they have been responding to questions so why not ask them what they think about a few things to try and pull some out?
They also said they do plan to do some solving in 214, so I don't even get why you claim they said they didn't intent to play the game.-
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Tejate, do you have any reads you'd commit to at all? Like hot dang, you're being super noncommittal all over the place.-
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What does "LHF" mean?In post 493, Nero Cain wrote:
Why?In post 489, Tejate Raichu wrote:though I find this Nero thing a bit weird
Have you never felt like someone was scummy AF for voting LHF?-
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Is an aggressive Nero usually a town Nero?In post 487, Cat Scratch Fever wrote:
It's not like a locktown read or anything, but the last two pages certainly have me leaning that way thoughIn post 483, Firebringer wrote:Ummm what?
This isn't even Nero being aggro. This is one of those things im still looking at nero funny at-
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Scorpius is relaxed, that's for certain. What sort of confusion were you seeing though?
Also sort of against their "I'm down to policy elim" post too, partially on principle partially because there really wasn't any reason to bring it up that early in the day. Kinda feels like planting the seed in our heads.-
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