Lynch the Wolves (Game Over)

[MathBlade]

I tracked Mathblade to the kill yesterday

Officially a 1v1 now so stop shit voting elsewhere

Oh look RC lied again. Now he's saying he didn't track me. This is REALLY testing my patience.

[MathBlade]

if radiant tracked mathblade and got as a result that his target visited almost50 [and only almost50] then a role which can mess with results or actions exists
mathblade has indicated that your hoods action resolves as the entire hood visiting the target so radiant should have seen a visit to your recruit as well

and my post outlined why math probably is not scum in any situation with both role redirection and radiant receiving that result

you missed the one that makes the most sense to me

given that apparently the neighbourhood cannot be solo redirected

scum redirected me onto scum to hopefully give me a false result. I didn't actually target mathblade. but I got a false guilty on scum so it's all good.

No. Just no. Don't want to get into this rn but I will debunk this when I get the chance.
for now VOTE: radiantcowbells

Thank fucking you. Finally.

[MathBlade]

like how the fuck did scum manage not only to not lynch guiltied scum but to convince town that after I flipped town that they should still ignore the guilty

I don't understand how you are all so fucking stupid.

Who did you target RC?

Oh and for the umpteenth time.

1) If you're a tracker and don't target me, I can't be "guiltied".
2) I'm NOT SCUM.

This is the second day in a row you've been full of shit on guilties.

I don't believe you're a tracker and this is where the most likely result comes in. If you are a tracker then your play has been so fucking horrible.

[MathBlade]

if radiant tracked mathblade and got as a result that his target visited almost50 [and only almost50] then a role which can mess with results or actions exists
mathblade has indicated that your hoods action resolves as the entire hood visiting the target so radiant should have seen a visit to your recruit as well

and my post outlined why math probably is not scum in any situation with both role redirection and radiant receiving that result

you missed the one that makes the most sense to me

given that apparently the neighbourhood cannot be solo redirected

scum redirected me onto scum to hopefully give me a false result. I didn't actually target mathblade. but I got a false guilty on scum so it's all good.

no i actually did address that
the thing is why would they redirect you onto scum if they did not know what role you were [if you were a vig or a serial killer that would have gone horribly]

I didn't actually target mathblade

So Theta...Why the hell wasn't the bolded part your biggest concern?

[MathBlade]

......No. This is not a thing.

If RC submitted a track on me, then he has a guilty on someone else. He'd be finding that someone else.
If RC submitted a track on someone else, then he'd not have started the day with a "guilty" on me.

Instead he continues to insist I am scum.

[MathBlade]

So scum redirected off math onto other scum?

Like, im really confused where all this talk of a redirector came from

Hebichan, it's RC trying to insist he has a guilty when he doesn't.

I proved the hood recruited and RC said he targeted me and got a result of only Almost50 which is 100% impossible, confirmed by Gamma.

So he's just trying to continue to insist he has a guilty when it's not possible and refuses to listen to people otherwise, so he proposes more outlandish theories.

It's probably best just to ignore him and scum hunt elsewhere.

[MathBlade]

the rationale being floated is that for some reason scum!RC is magically so terrified of the player whose town game I third* least respect on this isite that I've chosen to fakeclaim a guilty, somehow talk my way out of the fact that even if I later go back and say that the guilty was faked I have never in site history sober claimed a guilty on someone to lynch them and had them fail to flip scum, so that would be in and of itself a scumclaim. it'd be a complete dead end with no real way to talk myself out of it and no real advantage, particularly given that the most likely answer is that I just get vigged. regardless of roles this is never my play as scum and I feel like that should be objectively obvious to anyone who isn't an idiot. i'm fairly certain at this point, regardless of my reads on them even, that literally everyone who is currently voting math is town and besides PJM no one whose alignment concerns me is even expressing that viewpoint. both nosferatu and yuurei are widely agreed on townreads, hebichan is locktown, and Theta is looking for every excuse to not stay on the wagon so of all the supporters of the wagon only cheeky's alignment is even in contention and of the people who can read her only keychain (who is scum) thinks her alignment is in question, including A50 hard townreading her

meanwhile all the slots where scum is agreed to be in are trying to push the lynch towards me

it's not rocket science what scum are trying to do and multiple people have *already* tried to justify not lynching mathblade after I flip tracker. if you can't figure this out you're just bad.



*first place was taken by bbmolla vigging NSG and second by Reck's NSG push in the ongoing

Just stop.....

What are you going to flip? Tracker or Detective?

Seriously...You've claimed so much contradictory shit.

At this point I'm thoroughly convinced RC is just gonna spam til he's dead.

[MathBlade]

s, but otherwise this game is effectively ruined for me by no

I'm sorry you feel it's ruined...I don't know how to fix it when RC continues to just try to take it over to mislynch town. I don't know what I can do different when I have tried steering the conversation to a protown place.

[MathBlade]

i swear to god is there a dayvig?

please

I wish...Do we just tunnel RC to stop this madness or do we just start spamming reads to show him he can't do this shit?

How do you recommend we handle this Ank and Nos?

[MathBlade]

I mean I already addressed the if I did the NK one with a question from Mastina. I legit don't know how to make this game not toxic. I'm running out of ideas here people.

Pedit Nos who do you scumread?

[MathBlade]

I mean I already addressed the if I did the NK one with a question from Mastina. I legit don't know how to make this game not toxic. I'm running out of ideas here people.

Pedit Nos who do you scumread?

does it even matter?

It does to me. I'm just trying to make this game fun and not even more replace outs. I'm just doing what I can :/ I am trying anything to stop this madness.

[MathBlade]

how could this have happened?

oh

i thought ankamius was replacing out because mastina didn't post a vote count but now that you mention it, the RC posts make more sense as a reason

hmm, yeah, it's almost like those posts by RC weren't an effective way to get someone lynched

really strange

So how about we just either RVS or pick up from the day one wagon or something
Or policy RC

Something to get content going

[MathBlade]

my question is how the fuck is it so hard to lynch either of them

like people should either believe the guilty or not

its not something to either argue over either its bullshit or not

like there's no reason it should be a 4-3 between math and rc

I already proved it’s impossible (besides that I am town) with Gamma’s help.

So like that would be policy RC

[MathBlade]

ok so why are you not dead rn

That is what I have been asking but people don’t want to vote him despite the claim changing multiple times and all of it just being wrong

So I am trying to bring scumhunting back. RC doesn’t know how to react.

[MathBlade]

for the sake of the game can scum just bus mathblade and try to play from there?

VOTE: nicorobin

how about this slot

This sounds like conversation

VOTE: Nicorobin

Let’s do anything other than let RC spam.

[MathBlade]

Was I replaced btw?

Nope.


And everyone has engaged with the meat of what you’re saying RC.

It’s literally impossible.

So please move on.

I am trying to move the game towards any discussion anywhere.

[MathBlade]

so from this point on votes should be on one of the following
creature
[...]

Excuse me, what did I miss?

I revealed a member of the hood Gamma
Who confirmed we recruited someone yet unnamed

So RC can’t have tracked me to just Almost50
He has a dude fit and rages for three days I am still scum

I am trying to make this game not toxic by discussing literally anything else.

Here’s some popcorn because seriously staring at a bowl of popcorn is more entertaining than this game.

[MathBlade]

I don't think RC's result is real, the question is if I should trust he's able to read you so good to the point to fake a guilty and yet still be correct or not.

He did the same fucking thing with Luna who flipped town.

Yes he’s good in some games. He is bad in others like the one I linked.

Fmpov He is scum or bad and his continued dude fit that I am scum is ridiculous and making everyone bail.

[MathBlade]

So Creature why is a NicoRobin wagon bad?

VOTE: Unvote

(Spiritual vote on RC)

[MathBlade]

Okay...Good because no way Yuurei is scum said so yesterday

I was just trying to get something going that was content and yay we have.

So how do you feel about Theta?

[MathBlade]

VOTE: Theta Alpine

[MathBlade]

Votecount 1-40 (040) Simple (Final D1)

Luna Nova - 10 (Almost50, HeWhoSwims, Vecna, Nosferatu, CheekyTeeky, RadiantCowbells, Theta Alpine, hebichan, MathBlade, Aronis)

HeWhoSwims - 4 (Luna Nova, Creature, Keychain, Yuurei)

TheGoldenParadox - 2 (northsidegal, ArcAngel9)
northsidegal - 1 (TheGoldenParadox)

Not Voting - 1 (Ankamius)

Mod Notes

• mastina, the moderator, is V/LA over weekends.
  
• Luna Nova has been prodded. They have this long to post: (expired on 2018-06-11 23:12:36).
  
  
• northsidegal has been prodded. She has this long to respond: (expired on 2018-06-12 17:22:49).
  
• TheGoldenParadox has been prodded. He has this long to respond: (expired on 2018-06-12 17:26:38).
  
• A lynch has been achieved!
  
• mastina will generate a more advanced votecount if she has the capacity to give it. No promises!

No I don’t.

It was protown to end the apathy.

Scum if they were all on it would have to frontload and I haven’t ever seen a frontloaded all scum wagon d1.

[MathBlade]

that answers my question

mathblade do you think all scum were on luna novas wagon

Sorry phone posting.

[MathBlade]

Finally.

Now we can play mafia.

Tomorrow I look forward to being able to fucking play.

[MathBlade]

alright so here are my thoughts right now
if radiant had ever retracted their claim i would have voted math
the claim mechanically made math town which is why i have not voted math up to this point

however i would like to do something real quick because i may have realized something

mastina

if a hypothetical neighborhood gets to vote on an targeted action that is made during the night without having to specify who performs the action then what would happen in the following two scenarios
- if a tracker or equivalent role targets a member of the neighborhood
- if a watcher or equivalent role targets the player that the neighborhood targeted

mastina

i would also like to know what would occur if a redirector redirected a member of the hood to a different target in the everyone visits the target situation

It’s an all or nothing situation.

Gamma I believe if memory serves said it and I am confirming it.

Redirecting one person of the hood doesn’t stop the recruit/kill.

[MathBlade]

Sure

VOTE: Math

Hi
actually read what RC has done to try and lynch Mathblade and then tell me you think this vote is remotely acceptable

Yay I have a person with common sense in my hood. Thank god.

Maybe we can just vig RC and save Mastina the replacement.

[MathBlade]

Page 10 reads:

Almost50 is moderate-town

northsidegal is moderate-town

CheekyTeeky is light-town
Vecna is light-town

HeWhoSwims is null
ThetaAlpine is null

TheGoldenParadox is null

Archwing is null
ArcAngel9 is null
Creature is null
hebichan is null

RadiantCowbells is light-scum
Aronis is light-scum

Luna Nova is light-scum

Keychain is light-scum

Mathblade is light/moderate-scum

Yuurei is moderate-scum

huh. going through up to this point again and I don't really agree with this anymore

What is your read list now?

[MathBlade]

Can someone tell me why people are scumreading keychain/theta/hebi?

Theta at points feels like "oh yeah guys that's true" and no more

Keychain... Nothing to make me townread that and if there's scum on my wagon I point at her.

Hebi is the towniest town to ever town

You know phrase theft is the biggest form of flattery. (I say towniest town to ever town all the time.)

How do you feel about Vecna HeWhoSwims?

I'm trying to get a common scumread among my townreads and I townread you Hebi and Ank but I townread Creature and Yuurei/Nico.

[MathBlade]

Gonna be afk today and tomorrow y’all.

[MathBlade]

i think at this time projectmatt is a pretty damn good target as well

Thoughts on this? Vecna and Projectmatt, more so the latter are probably scum.

Theta + projectmatt if they don’t believe the lynch was going through and thought I would be mislynched so projectmatt votes Theta then when RC wagon and my wagon dissipate Theta gets quiet.

Theta was likely the active scum buddying me.

I don’t think Vecna + Theta is a viable team.

[MathBlade]

gamma emerald, id like your detailed evaluation about the people in the hood. as in, was there scum in the initial 3? was the extra invite an objectively good choice?

VOTE: Vecna

I never said there was three. Care to explain how you know that detail?

The invite was a good choice.

[MathBlade]

if you are actually town i really dont get why youd think i would ever oppose your lynch.

give me a good reason why i would or im gonna put you back on the menu.

Because RC is scum or fakeclaiming.

But considering you somehow knew the hood started with three then I am guessing you already know which.

[MathBlade]

gamma emerald, id like your detailed evaluation about the people in the hood. as in, was there scum in the initial 3? was the extra invite an objectively good choice?

Why? Doesn't that indicate who is in there, which Mathblade has explicitly said he doesn't want revealed right now?

so in your opinion the hood is completely safe and his approach is the right one?

Maybe not but regardless you trying to go against it feels kinda shady.

It was the safer.
If scum existed in the hood there would be no way the vig would hit scum.

VOTE: projectmatt

I am prod dodging because just started work again today but I could do projectmatt too

[MathBlade]

Explain how its shady

Because scum then know who to target and who to mislynch to get control of the hood.

[MathBlade]

I'm here.

Are you going to do things?

[MathBlade]

p-edit again
radiant if you are a tracker could you please consider the fact that math is likely town because of your result
if you are not a tracker then just tell us and we can stop telling you why your result is mechanically nigh impossible if math was actually the person who did the night kill

Um if RC really is tracker and got a proper result then why is math town? Not saying he's scum but it seems questionable that you're making that conclusion.

I'm thinking scum with too much knowledge I'm town. You thinking that Gamma?

Where did this read come from?

<< Because Theta if scum would know that I didn’t do the NK. People who have been in the hood KNOW that the result RC claimed is shit. Especially in the weird world where RC is town which I really don’t buy

by the way

literally everyone in this game not voting mathblade right now owes me an apology when mathblade flips scum or don't talk to me ever again.

this is insanely melodramatic but i think it's coming from town.

<< I will never townread a slot that fakes a guilty on me either out of genuine belief I am scum or a scum wanting to get rid of a PR and refuses to back down when it’s proven.

for the sake of the game can scum just bus mathblade and try to play from there?

VOTE: nicorobin

how about this slot

This sounds like conversation

VOTE: Nicorobin

Let’s do anything other than let RC spam.

this is a

bad

vote.

<< Agreed. I did it to start conversation and I want Nico to do something.

I don't think RC's result is real, the question is if I should trust he's able to read you so good to the point to fake a guilty and yet still be correct or not.

the thing about the mathblade v radiant thing that bothers me the most is the amount of people claiming that rc's claim is likely to not be real. i have little to no experience with RC, but he's made it exceedingly clear that he's claiming his result seriously, and that he wants it to be taken seriously. if he's fakeclaiming, i think it's pathetic, but his claim should be taken seriously and treated seriously. making it a "rc is fakeclaiming so it's ok to ignore both wagons" looks like an easy excuse for scum to not engage.

<< It is mechanically 100% proven wrong. Even if RC is a tracker even if RC is town (which I doubt) it is confirmed 100% that I did not visit Almost50 alone so it can’t be me. So either RC is fakeclaiming again and chose me or he got fucked with. Those are the only two options.

In which case the proper play is to ignore it.

Regardless of my alignment, HWS shouldd be cleared.

why's that? i haven't been able to get an accurate read on HWS yet.

<< If HWS is scum then one of RC/Hebichan is confirmed scum.
They can’t have busdriven me and HWS as Hebichan got no PTs and I have had mine since pregame
So for Hebichan and RC to both be town there would have to be two distinct redirection mechanics or RC lied again and deserves policy. The odds of that are almost nil. HWS is almost certainly town regardless of hebi.

i think at this time projectmatt is a pretty damn good target as well

why?

<< Because you’re scummy af.

i think cheeky was town

why did you feel the need to post this? this just feels slimey.

i'm not a fan of this post.

gamma emerald, id like your detailed evaluation about the people in the hood. as in, was there scum in the initial 3? was the extra invite an objectively good choice?

Why? Doesn't that indicate who is in there, which Mathblade has explicitly said he doesn't want revealed right now?

so in your opinion the hood is completely safe and his approach is the right one?

Maybe not but regardless you trying to go against it feels kinda shady.

It was the safer.
If scum existed in the hood there would be no way the vig would hit scum.

VOTE: projectmatt

I am prod dodging because just started work again today but I could do projectmatt too

why? x2
<< Already explained why. The vig would be powerless because scum would have to vote to vig scum.
If there is scum in the hood we need the numbers to force a buddy vig or to find it. I am not convinced there is scum in the hood though

i need to re-read keychain and vecna and a few others.

unvote

. i'll most likely end up putting this back on theta but i need to think.

[MathBlade]

I don't get the impression scum are worrying this game

I don’t either. Especially with the RC shitstorm making me hella apathetic.

[MathBlade]

i dont really read keychain as scum based on my quick iso on them. i'm at least willing to wait for them to be replaced before i would consider lynching them. lynching an inactive slot is usually a bad move.

in fact, i dont particularly read muffin as scum either.

starting to think that the theta wagon is still the best option.

Projectmatt is definitely better but I could do Theta.

Like his swap onto Theta feels really survivalistic

I am really sick so consider this my “content” for now.

[MathBlade]

imo, we should do the following today:

1. make mathblade out his hood partners

2. lynch mathblade

3. if mathblade flips town, the hood will use their ability to kill radiantcowbells. since killing requires all members of the hood to agree, refusing to kill will be tantamount to a scum-claim.

4. if mathblade flips scum, the kill is unnecessary.

For starters here.

How did you know it requires universal agreement?

Your posts seem too confident when no one is really talking.

Furthermore your Theta push came after I suggested it.

It’s like you want to push Theta to get on my good side. The “switch” (Unvote/vote) is to make it seem like you’re reading and hunting. When in reality your only interest is getting on my good side.

[MathBlade]

the fact that people actually give matt shit for literally unvoting and then re-voting the same player is hilarious

Welcome to hilarious then.

I have done that shit as scum. So I look out for it.

[MathBlade]

imo, we should do the following today:

1. make mathblade out his hood partners

2. lynch mathblade

3. if mathblade flips town, the hood will use their ability to kill radiantcowbells. since killing requires all members of the hood to agree, refusing to kill will be tantamount to a scum-claim.

4. if mathblade flips scum, the kill is unnecessary.

For starters here.

How did you know it requires universal agreement?

Your posts seem too confident when no one is really talking.

Furthermore your Theta push came after I suggested it.

It’s like you want to push Theta to get on my good side. The “switch” (Unvote/vote) is to make it seem like you’re reading and hunting. When in reality your only interest is getting on my good side.

for one, you told us that it requires universal agreement among the hood

for second, my posts seem too confident? how? elaborate.

for third, that's an insanely egotistical reason. i outlined my thought process as to why i thought theta was mafia when i voted them, and it's absurd for you to think that i give a shit about being on your good side.

1) Oops. Damn thought I didn’t. Crap.

2) Will do when not at work

3) it’s actually rather embarrassing, not egotistical. I am always loud. A loud me is better for scum than scum. So manipulating me is something I have to look out for.

[MathBlade]

the fact that people actually give matt shit for literally unvoting and then re-voting the same player is hilarious

Welcome to hilarious then.

I have done that shit as scum. So I look out for it.

please tell me why you intentionally as scum unvote and then re-vote literally one post after the other

Because it “looks active”. It makes it seem like I was doing things when I liked the game state.

It introduces the suggestion that I was thinking or waffling when not.

[MathBlade]

If @2945 And I have cased people too as scum. I get called “honest” and “no way Math is scum” after I do. That is not relevant to the point.
@2946 Again it’s not “ego” it is me admitting my flaws and noting my concern. It’s exactly what Mastina did in Civ Mafia. I am trying to be better.

[MathBlade]

If @2945 And I have cased people too as scum. I get called “honest” and “no way Math is scum” after I do. That is not relevant to the point.

it's super relevant. you're saying that i unvoted theta and then revoted them to make it look like i was thinking without actually having to do it, right? that logic falls completely flat since i outlined my thought process and my logic. clearly, thought was put into what i was saying. the argument just doesn't. work.

<< You’re arguing because you wrote a thought process that it is truthful, that you’re town. That is exactly what I do as scum. Your point is you’re town because you cased someone is crap.

@2946 Again it’s not “ego” it is me admitting my flaws and noting my concern. It’s exactly what Mastina did in Civ Mafia. I am trying to be better.

let's put aside the ego thing. my problem is simply that your logic is bad. i don't know/care how paranoid you are about being manipulated, but if youre town in this circumstance, your paranoia about being manipulated has made you out some questionable and super poorly thought-out logic.

Only person who seems to think it’s poor is scum. So pretty sure I am a-okay with that.

[MathBlade]

i dont really read keychain as scum based on my quick iso on them. i'm at least willing to wait for them to be replaced before i would consider lynching them. lynching an inactive slot is usually a bad move.

in fact, i dont particularly read muffin as scum either.

starting to think that the theta wagon is still the best option.

Projectmatt is definitely better but I could do Theta.

Like his swap onto Theta feels really survivalistic

I am really sick so consider this my “content” for now.

imo, we should do the following today:

1. make mathblade out his hood partners

2. lynch mathblade

3. if mathblade flips town, the hood will use their ability to kill radiantcowbells. since killing requires all members of the hood to agree, refusing to kill will be tantamount to a scum-claim.

4. if mathblade flips scum, the kill is unnecessary.

For starters here.

How did you know it requires universal agreement?

Your posts seem too confident when no one is really talking.

Furthermore your Theta push came after I suggested it.

It’s like you want to push Theta to get on my good side. The “switch” (Unvote/vote) is to make it seem like you’re reading and hunting. When in reality your only interest is getting on my good side.

Already explained that Nos.

The swap switch Unvote or whatever you want to call it is really fucking horrible.

[MathBlade]

hey titus pretty much everyone in the game is going to ask you to claim due to radiant having claimed a guilty on someone

so if you could clarify what actually happened with your role that would help a lot

Twice.

Once on Luna Nova
Once on me
Luna flipped town
And I am proven to not have visited someone other than Almost50 and he said I only visited Almost50

You replacing in makes me wanna just vote you and be done with it. But considering I don’t make sense to anyone right now and have been on painkillers the past few weeks I am going with not

But my patience is very very thin.

[MathBlade]

there is a god

a cruel, indifferent one

I know

I am seriously just omfg right now.


Whyyyyyyyyy????

It’s like the gods want me to tunnel that slot or something.

Nos Ank if you have restraints I would love them.

[MathBlade]

Prod dodge for the holiday will read this tomorrow.

[MathBlade]

kill everyone in the hood except for a universal townread, recruit another universal town read and then vig literally every night no matter what

Jesus Christ are you scum?

If you do that then scum just fucking kill that last person.

NAR says kills before recruits.

It’s why I wanna keep it secret.

I still am doing holiday stuff but Jesus this post is bad.

[MathBlade]

VOTE: Mathblade

Actually im completely done defending this slot. I have no idea why im even arguing around it, it creates way too much division in this game and we'll never get to any concensus on anything in the current gamestate.

Fullclaim pressure steamboat is a go

I already AM fullclaimed

The only reason this wagon exists is because I won’t claim everyone in the hood.

I countered Luna because of my hood. I didn’t think there would be another neighborizer.

Then RC fakes a guilty on Nova

Then RC fakes another guilty on me. A person with a hood.

It’s disgusting

I still haven’t gotten around to reading the thread due to the holiday but quite frankly I joined this game to have fun while I was having surgery. A light fun game.

This is right now none of that.

We should be lynching Titus especially since it was fake.

“Oh no!” Titus didn’t fullclaim I am just gonna forget I demanded that.

[MathBlade]

I have been fighting this entire game

Fighting not yelling at RC for his toxic bullshit
Fighting more pain than most people experience

Fighting not replacing out over RC’s bullshit
Fighting people being continually anti town
Fighting to remember what the fuck is going on in this game

Fighting for what is right

And no wagon will make me stop the hunger I have for winning this game.

So if you’re voting me consider what you’d do as town in my spot.

I am just tired of this.

I have work but I will make it a priority to catch up ASAP.

[MathBlade]

Furthermore my hood is ALREADY proven.

If I lied even once my hood would vote me.

The fact no one in my hood is saying I am lying should tell you all something.

This wagon is what scum WANT.

[MathBlade]

Hey Vax you up for devouring scum’s hope this game like a child eats cookies?

[MathBlade]

I stated I havent seen a proper reason from Oath. Theres some other people that have some valid sounding arguments. Im not sure I agree fully with them, but im willing to see if theyre right and im wrong.

Honestly I dont really care so much where we lynch today, as long as its in my pool of people that are suspect and provide a ton to work with going forward.

....

I have made numerous arguments why RC is scum

Yes let’s ignore those. *rolls eyes*

Made arguments for Theta *rolls eyes*

Made arguments for you scum.

I have made arguments til the thread cries and you don’t interact with them.

Calling it now Titus Theta Vecna.

[MathBlade]

Furthermore my hood is ALREADY proven.

If I lied even once my hood would vote me.

The fact no one in my hood is saying I am lying should tell you all something.

This wagon is what scum WANT.

All that is proven is that you and GE have some way of communicating with eachother. The two of you could be scum, fullstop, without there being any proof to the contrary. The gamestate doesnt feel AT ALL like there are two other people that can confirm your story. Maybe creature.

If you want to prove it, out the last 2. Have them confirm it.

If you already invited scum into the hood, they already know who you are. IF you didnt invite scum to the hood, stop inviting after outing and you have no risk of having a take-over.

There is no risk in outing it if you just do vigs or no action goign forward. Its as simple as that.

Food.

Look at my iso for that.

I have to fucking work.

[MathBlade]

Fuck it.

That just claims it anyway

It started off as me Aronis and Yuurei

We recruited Creature because he was posting so town

*cries inside*

Go find my literal crumbs while I really wanna vote for fuck you.

[MathBlade]

I declare that I will declare in the future my intention to declare and declaration of intent to intend to vote on declaring placing my vote on the person I am going to declare later on in this thread.

This post makes no sense. If you could just vote like a sane person, that'd be great

I just kinda ignored it when it still didn’t make sense when I woke up. :/

Aronis what’s your favorite food? (Pulling a page out of the Aronis playbook)

[MathBlade]

i've been thinking about TGP but now i'm more decided to take that as a NAI joke

Mathblade, do you think that jokes need motivation?

I think everything even subconscious actions have a motivation.

i think so as well, however these motivations can be "weak" in my vision

i mean, he simply wanted to joke, so he did it

that's the conclusion i came after thinking about it at least

Something feels off about it. Like this gnawing.

People gnaw on food. I do a more direct one later

[MathBlade]

*Do not go down the rabbit hole*
*Do not go down the rabbit hole*
*Do not go down the rabbit hole*

*Deep breath*

Pedit I agree that Darth Vader is better than the Jedi who take away all freedom but the Gray Jedi are where it’s at.

Grey > Sith > Jedi

no no no

Darth Vader offers peace and stability to the Galaxy. Plus he's the chosen one so by default he's the best person in the universe. The gray jedi do like literally nothing and hardly any exist. And those that do exist are probably living in a shack on Umbara and have no impact on the galaxy whatsoever.

Let’s not spam Star Wars for pages on end.

I’d much prefer a tiny conclave of peace and happiness where I can eat my ice cream, even if irrelevant.

[MathBlade]

I mean, he wants Math to vote in Luna and when Luna flipped town he wants to scum read Math.

Like, someone help me here understand this please

+1

I don’t believe in brownie points but would if I did.

[MathBlade]

Because of my perceived alignments of the other players I did not believe Luna and still kinda don’t but do.

The other X people have crumbed in validation of this. I have to go but pushing this dichotomy is bullshit.

I am truthtelling and y’all fucking suck at reading me.

I am going to catch up at SOME point just not now.

...Really?

Really?

Yes Vecna please continue to insist on me being scum when I already suggested the crumbing and got my hood mates to fucking do it. Please continue to “force” me to crumb when I already said I was doing it in the hood before your suggestion.

And if I am lying then if I would have X+1 people vote me

instantly

.

So you’re trying to look like you’re “helping” by making this suggestion. When I already caught this fucking possibility. The entire point of the hood is to mix recruits and kills in such a way that it acts as a masonry. Hence why I didn’t believe a masonizer could exist.

And with the X+1 people in the hood of X people agree to vig someone and the last person doesn’t agree hello scum claim if they say no.

I am REALLY pissed off by your antics here Vecna. I get it: You don’t like me. But at least give two shits to read what I am posting first.

[MathBlade]

Just checking in that I'm alive.

After day 20 I can return to my normal activity.

You sure you’re not hungry for more?

I am sure there has got to be something to pull you out of your shell and get your dragon teeth chewing on scum.

*sigh*

Damn it.

Maybe you’ll find free time later.

Can you at least leave behind a bread crumb of wisdom before you go disappear until day 20?

[MathBlade]

Now fuck this

I am working now.

Seriously.

My hood is me Gamma Yuurei and we recruited Creature

Stop being stupid already people

[MathBlade]

Hey Vax you up for devouring scum’s hope this game like a child eats cookies?

An extra one for fuck’s sake

I have been screaming it.

Nico lurk sacks when bored

Aronis is easy as hell to read

Creature when recruited was posting

Like I said my crumb multiple times literally

Now we have the hood outed and scum can destroy it

*sigh*

[MathBlade]

Oh right, I thought Oath replaced Gamma

Now how about someone fix this goddamn shit and we go to work on a Theta Titus or Oath or Vecna lynch

I would take any of those.

[MathBlade]

So why did Aronis agree to recruit creature, while he was heavily cheering me on while i was actively scumreading both you and creature EOD1 and start of D2?

He literally said that my scumread of Ank/Math/Creature start of D2 probably contained 2 scum.

He didn’t. It is majority recruit
Universal kill.

He was afk and Yuurei was afk for most of it
I suggested Creature
Then Yuurei agreed

[MathBlade]

I am pretty sure projectmatt or Oath are the damn other kill.

Like gawd.

[MathBlade]

So Theta Titus Vecna Oath projectmatt take your fucking pick

[MathBlade]

and we go to work on a Theta Titus or Oath or Vecna lynch

Only Oath.

Though, wasn't somebody saying Keychain was town?

Replacement is scummy as fuck. Keychain I taught how to scum in mod is mafia. So I could be wrong there

[MathBlade]

VOTE: Oath

Let’s do it.

[MathBlade]

zMuffinMan still pretty much under the radar?

Meh I feel good about muffins.

#gut

[MathBlade]

I will take potential scum bussing. I have too many scumreads for that to be the team anyway

VOTE: ProjectMatt

[MathBlade]

Ugh this can seriously die.

Jester is considered bastard on MS.

No one fears you being bastard.

Like Titus Theta projectmatt Oath (and if Vecna doesn’t deliver scum it too...I waffle on Vecna and wonder if it is pride) but all those slots need flips.

[MathBlade]

Ugh this can seriously die.

Jester is considered bastard on MS.

No one fears you being a jester as that’s bastard.

Like Titus Theta projectmatt Oath (and if Vecna doesn’t deliver scum it too...I waffle on Vecna and wonder if it is pride) but all those slots need flips.

[MathBlade]

VOTE: pjm
this was off the wagon i guess

seriously?

Oh yeah add Nos to the list of needs to die too

His suggestion was horrible and his “fix” is what I was already doing in case scum was in the hood.

So much scumminess.

As long as it’s someone in that list fucks given zero.

[MathBlade]

2. False

search.php?keywords=Jester&t=76395&sf=msgonly

[MathBlade]

And you bet you’re ass I am “selective”

I am doing what I can to avoid drowning and to be frank am still missing a few pages.

But I can’t say “hey everyone stop being silly so I can catch up”

[MathBlade]

mathblade i would still like you to explain why you think im mafia. i would like to know if you stand by the pathetically bad logic that you outed.

I will rewrite it late tonight

At work so impossible to “case” anything.

Pedit omfg nos revisionist much?

[MathBlade]

i think the reasons that math and co. have for voting you are trash, ive said that but it feels like today is stalling, i wanna see something new now that we've got all of these replacements.

...

so, to summarize

you recognize that the logic behind voting me is objectively trash

you realize that the people primarily voting me are using that trash logic to justify their vote.

and yet, you're joining them because you want to "see something new".

what do you expect to happen?

You mean how I felt when RC was tunneling my ass despite the fact I am proven to be telling the truth and impossible for me to have killed A50?

shocking

The reason you call my reasons trash is because they are about you. You actually don’t interact with them.

[MathBlade]

Hey MB.

What's your role name?

VT (LynchMob)

@pmatt quote it please

[MathBlade]

And you guys are certain you have no idea what happened with TGP?

I have no fucking clue

We recruited creature

[MathBlade]

Hey MathBlade you gonna address the fact that you got all up in arms about no one suspecting I was jester when there was actually someone who did and I addressed it?!!?! HMMMMM

Actually nah, you won't you scumz.

I already addressed this wtf?

Hewhoswims has no mention of jester

[MathBlade]

Jesus I am at work and this game is going a mile a minute

I missed that post sorry

[MathBlade]

It was mine

More Yuurei wasn’t posting so I suggested a recruit of Creature.

[MathBlade]

Lol looks like people decided to play mafia. Can someone summarize for the time impaired? What’s actually of note right now?

[MathBlade]

Who do you wanna lynch creature? You adorable little bloodsucker

Wait Why are you calling Creature a bloodsucker?

He's calling whomever wants to lynch Creature a bloodsucker.

No thats not what I was doing at all

Why are you arguing with scum?

Lol I may be dense but it’s obvious that’s not what that post means.

I really just don’t see how Titus/RC is town.

[MathBlade]

Lol looks like people decided to play mafia. Can someone summarize for the time impaired? What’s actually of note right now?

PM Theta Oath are choices. Who are you voting and why?

PM and I will case him after therapy. However I am happy with any of those assuming nothing changed in the past few pages.

Sorry have been super busy IRL.

[MathBlade]

It’s typical Titus to misinterpret shit for you own liking.

@Gamma damn good call

Yeah glad Nos is in my needs to die list.

[MathBlade]

I mean honestly. I've even outed myself as non-human, 3p and you all aren't bothering to string me up. I think I could claim scum- Hell ANYONE could and they still wouldn't find themselves lynched. I don't really like being in games where activity is this sparce. I thought it was due to replacements, but honestly people just aren't in it and mafia are getting some twisted kick out of this when they probably could just end it and win.

First of all when I fucking signed up I knew my activity was gonna be scarcer and weirder because I was undergoing surgery. It also is forcing me to read more and be silent more. This is fucking disgusting that you’re saying all the mafia are active while at the same time scumreading me when my activity has been limited as fuck.

I also have spent the past day demonstrating a guilty being fake so excuse me if I don’t want to go through defense mode all day I would rather lynch scum than have it be push me all day. Now I am going to case projectmatt best I can on my phone

[MathBlade]

I really hate this because I feel like aside from hebichan, I'm pleading to a majority of mafia. They're active because they're winning. They're vocal and running this so if people aren't going to do anything about it I might as well replace out too because I'm gonna get to empathetic to want to continue to scream my case to people who know I'm right but are on the opposite side.

Yeah more stubborn idiocy.

Go look at mod is mafia.

I was universally townread scum and I hated the game being slow to a crawl so much I continually tried to pump life into it. Here I am just too exhausted to give a fuck

[MathBlade]

hard scumreading keychain from her confirmation post. townreading aronis and tgp, need someone else to tell me if mathblade flipping out about tgp's joke is town or scum-indicative.

This reads like scum trying too hard to justify reads early. She wants to also wagon me early and wants someone else to do it.

[MathBlade]

i guess my lynchpool looks like:
{HeWhoSwims, Theta Alpine, Definition, TheGoldenParadox, Archwing}

maybe mathblade as well?

NSG’s Lynch pool is craptastic

He who swims is for almost all intents and purposes town
TGP who flipped town
Ank who is pretty much obvTown at this point
Maybe me who she wants to mislynch yet again

The only two possible scums in that list imho are Theta and Archwing (now Nos)
If projectmatt flips scum rule of three says one of the others is too.

[MathBlade]

the second is a combination elli-tell / "wolfy pop-in". TGP has been posting in other games whereas his only recent post in this thread was this:

VOTE: MathBlade

which, to me, displays something of a lack of interest in doing

any

sort of sorting. even when i'm feeling lazy and i enter the thread basically just to vote (as in 703), i still responded to

something

, and from an objective point of view it showed that i was reading the thread. obviously there's nothing like that there in what tgp posted.

Blatant misuse of elli-tell which I have always said is not a thing. It’s become a meme pretty much when people don’t want to explain their vote it is “elli-tell”. It’s stupid and look who it was on. Someone who flipped town.

[MathBlade]

there's a bunch of setup spec stuff in day one

I noticed there was a bunch of wagons too, so that's probably a really important part of the game to read, which is exactly why I didn't read 2/3 of it

neat. i don't really care about setup spec so that means i can skip a lot of it guilt-free.

hi everyone. i'll give this game a read-through soon, but i'll probably end up skimming some of it because life is too short.

in the meantime, what should i know? are there any claims/confirmed town/etc?

I started the game in a hood that can recruit or kill each night. Last night we recruited. I have been leaving hints of who is recruited each night.
I counterclaimed Luna who was a neighborizer that I thought was claiming masonizer.
Hebichan is a claimed PT cop who says HeWhoSwins is innocent.

I am kinda busy getting ready for some RL shit so if I missed something someone add it.

thanks. have you revealed the people who are in your hood yet? did you start off alone?

Doesn’t care about setup spec yet four posts later does setupquestions.

[MathBlade]

to be clear, if RC is fakeclaiming here then it's fucking disgusting and egotistical.

Oh what happened here..:RC was fake claiming a guilty when I was at my literal worst posting as much as I could while high and then tries to take me over the goddamn coals.

Then projectmatt still wants to lynch me

despite

the fact that RC was proven disgusting and egotistical.

Yes I admit maybe I can’t commjnkcate well while in searing agony. But that doesn’t mitigate projectmatt never addressing this.

[MathBlade]

I deserve better than whoever is town here for teammates. I really wish there was enough of a mafia community to have some sort of matchmaking so I wouldn't have to play with the people in this game.

As is my free time is better spent elsewhere.

I'd replace out but I don't think y'all deserve it and I'd post my role PM but I don't think mastina deserves that

But I'm not treating anyone in this game or the game itself with respect that it doesn't deserve

you should get over yourself.

i intend to vote mathblade today because i feel like their counter argument's to RC keep getting less logical and more desperate, and they've started embellishing RC's actions (ie: "RC keeps faking guilties on people") to try to get him lynched.

that said, RC

needs

to be instalynched if mathblade happens to flip town.

if math is town here, i find it strange that his members of the hood have not come to save or otherwise provide back-up for what he's saying. the lack of activity from math's hood makes the majority of math's counter-arguments fall flat here.

I could make the same argument for aronis and stringing you up tomorrow.

However, I choose not to be so full of myself in that my judgement is absolute. Some people learn from their mistakes.

At any rate, time for you to learn some humility. Good luck in getting this lynch done without my assistance.

i like this post.

Trust me when I say I am rather annoyed and if I ever get close to lynching distance I will be forced to claim the members of my hood and where I crumbed them, something I am loathed to do but if I get close that means scum have won the influence game and not outing the hood becomes the lesser of two evils.

And look what happened scum ran me up #sorrynotsorry

#mathwasright

[MathBlade]

imo, we should do the following today:

1. make mathblade out his hood partners

2. lynch mathblade

3. if mathblade flips town, the hood will use their ability to kill radiantcowbells. since killing requires all members of the hood to agree, refusing to kill will be tantamount to a scum-claim.

4. if mathblade flips scum, the kill is unnecessary.

If project matt is scum then RC is town and matt wanted two free kills on town who fight.

[MathBlade]

p-edit again
radiant if you are a tracker could you please consider the fact that math is likely town because of your result
if you are not a tracker then just tell us and we can stop telling you why your result is mechanically nigh impossible if math was actually the person who did the night kill

Um if RC really is tracker and got a proper result then why is math town? Not saying he's scum but it seems questionable that you're making that conclusion.

I'm thinking scum with too much knowledge I'm town. You thinking that Gamma?

Where did this read come from?

by the way

literally everyone in this game not voting mathblade right now owes me an apology when mathblade flips scum or don't talk to me ever again.

this is insanely melodramatic but i think it's coming from town.

for the sake of the game can scum just bus mathblade and try to play from there?

VOTE: nicorobin

how about this slot

This sounds like conversation

VOTE: Nicorobin

Let’s do anything other than let RC spam.

this is a

bad

vote.

I don't think RC's result is real, the question is if I should trust he's able to read you so good to the point to fake a guilty and yet still be correct or not.

the thing about the mathblade v radiant thing that bothers me the most is the amount of people claiming that rc's claim is likely to not be real. i have little to no experience with RC, but he's made it exceedingly clear that he's claiming his result seriously, and that he wants it to be taken seriously. if he's fakeclaiming, i think it's pathetic, but his claim should be taken seriously and treated seriously. making it a "rc is fakeclaiming so it's ok to ignore both wagons" looks like an easy excuse for scum to not engage.

Regardless of my alignment, HWS shouldd be cleared.

why's that? i haven't been able to get an accurate read on HWS yet.

i think at this time projectmatt is a pretty damn good target as well

why?

i think cheeky was town

why did you feel the need to post this? this just feels slimey.

i'm not a fan of this post.

gamma emerald, id like your detailed evaluation about the people in the hood. as in, was there scum in the initial 3? was the extra invite an objectively good choice?

Why? Doesn't that indicate who is in there, which Mathblade has explicitly said he doesn't want revealed right now?

so in your opinion the hood is completely safe and his approach is the right one?

Maybe not but regardless you trying to go against it feels kinda shady.

It was the safer.
If scum existed in the hood there would be no way the vig would hit scum.

VOTE: projectmatt

I am prod dodging because just started work again today but I could do projectmatt too

why? x2

i need to re-read keychain and vecna and a few others.

unvote

. i'll most likely end up putting this back on theta but i need to think.

Wants to bring up my wagon again after summarily false.

It’s the same thing with NSG. The slot and the replacement have been continually suggesting me without reason to do so and continue to do so long after any evidenciary merit has eroded into nothingness.

[MathBlade]

I am tired

I know I am only halfway through projectmatt’s iso but I need a nap.

Vote Matt people.

[MathBlade]

VOTE: Brian Skies

Brian Skies needs to die now. He specifically vetoed Oath AND RC vigs to put it on Theta who flipped green.

And Oath let’s not do this again please. For fuck’s sake we determined the cases on me were shit yesterday from RC.

It’s either Oath and Skies as scum Skies and RC or RC and Oath

Those three slots all need death

At work.

[MathBlade]

theta was the correct vig choice, though... him flipping town doesnt say anything about brian's alignment (regardless of who he 'vetoed')

RC(who is now Titus) who singlehandedly destroyed this game twice with fake guilties
And a player who claimed “Hey I am not town”

Are certainly better vigs.

The first for bullshit
The latter because not town, saves a lynch later for scum.

Pedit

Only if we weren’t vigging Oath or RC/Titus

The Theta read as I mentioned was the weaker one.

Because I had a guilty faked on me and I was proven town. You can argue I am bad at town feel free but I have never missed a vig shot ever. I almost never get one though :/

[MathBlade]

without doing any rereading, id vote mathblade. wait til everyone checks in though

pedit: yeah but RC is probably town and oath being a vampire doesn't matter... vampires mean shit this game

1) Scum claim neutral survivor all the time.

See Drealmerz. If it claims not town kill it with fire.

2) RC/Titus is NOT probably town after faking two guilties and being a toxic asshat

I and anyone who knows RC expects better.

[MathBlade]

Scum claim neutral survivor all the time

sure. but in THIS particular game, there's good reason to assume there is at least one faction (race?) that doesn't directly count against town's win con

and i mostly believe oath's claim anyway. and i don't have an issue with brian not wanting to vig oath

RC/Titus is NOT probably town after faking two guilties and being a toxic asshat

disagree

Why? Because someone claimed it?

I claim I am a Unicorn. That doesn’t make it true. (I am town)

[MathBlade]

theta was the correct vig choice, though... him flipping town doesnt say anything about brian's alignment (regardless of who he 'vetoed')

RC(who is now Titus) who singlehandedly destroyed this game twice with fake guilties
And a player who claimed “Hey I am not town”

Are certainly better vigs.

The first for bullshit
The latter because not town, saves a lynch later for scum.

Pedit

Only if we weren’t vigging Oath or RC/Titus

The Theta read as I mentioned was the weaker one.

Because I had a guilty faked on me and I was proven town. You can argue I am bad at town feel free but I have never missed a vig shot ever. I almost never get one though :/

How were you PROVEN town?

RC's fake guilty doesn't make you confirmed town. RC could have been, and probably was frustrated town, who wanted your head so badly they made a dumb decision and fake claimed- that's more indicative of this player list being bullheaded and not listening driving a player to go to extremes just to be heard. You'd be closer to confirmed town if RC was scum, but we haven't had a scum flip thanks to you guys.

The fact that you're latching onto that to prove yourself town is actually ridiculous.

1) I was proven not to kill Almost50 it RC is town. Point blank as someone was recruited.
2) I was proven to have been telling the truth about the hood the entire game through crumb and through pressure. I never once deviated when people pressured me that it didn’t seem real.
3) I wanted RC’s flip so fucking bad but Skies said no.

You can keep arguing I am scum but that shit doesn’t fly. Anyone in my hood KNOWS I am telling the truth through and through.

[MathBlade]

theta was the correct vig choice, though... him flipping town doesnt say anything about brian's alignment (regardless of who he 'vetoed')

RC(who is now Titus) who singlehandedly destroyed this game twice with fake guilties
And a player who claimed “Hey I am not town”

Are certainly better vigs.

The first for bullshit
The latter because not town, saves a lynch later for scum.

Pedit

Only if we weren’t vigging Oath or RC/Titus

The Theta read as I mentioned was the weaker one.

Because I had a guilty faked on me and I was proven town. You can argue I am bad at town feel free but I have never missed a vig shot ever. I almost never get one though :/

How were you PROVEN town?

RC's fake guilty doesn't make you confirmed town. RC could have been, and probably was frustrated town, who wanted your head so badly they made a dumb decision and fake claimed- that's more indicative of this player list being bullheaded and not listening driving a player to go to extremes just to be heard. You'd be closer to confirmed town if RC was scum, but we haven't had a scum flip thanks to you guys.

The fact that you're latching onto that to prove yourself town is actually ridiculous.

1) I was proven not to kill Almost50 it RC is town. Point blank as someone was recruited.
2) I was proven to have been telling the truth about the hood the entire game through crumb and through pressure. I never once deviated when people pressured me that it didn’t seem real.
3) I wanted RC’s flip so fucking bad but Skies said no.

You can keep arguing I am scum but that shit doesn’t fly. Anyone in my hood KNOWS I am telling the truth through and through.

None of that proves you're town. It proves you're in a hood.

It proves that I am in a hood that recruits and lynches.

I have specifically said so.

Not ONCE have I lied. I know how to manipulate because for town’s sake my scum play is better than town. I have explicitly explained what is here.

I am

V/LA tomorrow

but if someone wants to explain why they think I am scum other than RC went off the deep end feel free to talk about it and no one has any reasons why.

And Nos I see your naked vote. And if you want to control the game take some ammunition. Because I sure as hell can tell that is a reaction vote. So you have it. Be back Friday.

[MathBlade]

Because I am town. And I will explain every damn thing over and over again if I have to. I will not let scum have what they have pushed for for two fucking days in a row.

[MathBlade]

to be clear, is the fact that brian wanted to lynch theta the only reason you think he's scum?

No

It’s because he didn’t give a good reason for not vigging someone who claimed not town

Then when he said no to Oath he picked Theta over the person who said faked a guilty

I said this would happen and it did.

I gotta go but it is bull fucking shit.

[MathBlade]

to be clear, is the fact that brian wanted to lynch theta the only reason you think he's scum?

No

It’s because he didn’t give a good reason for not vigging someone who claimed not town

Then when he said no to Oath he picked Theta over the person who faked a guilty

I said this would happen and it did.

I gotta go but it is bull fucking shit.

[MathBlade]

Creature is thrown around as a townread too

by who? he's scum here.

The problem is that the town's collective reads suck.

big fucking facts

Mathblade + Creature + Ank +.....AA9? Could be one group

Your slot + any combination of Gamma Emerald/Brian Skies / Nosferatu / AA9 / Creature / Vampireguy / Zmuffinman could be a second group.

1. Why would ank just give you a scum pair of math and creature if he's clearly in a position to just chill rn?
2. I'm almost convinced there are 3 non-town factions.


pedit: ive never seen that movie :/

Does not compute.

Thinks there are three anti town factions
Suspects the person who wants to vig claimed not town.
Because that makes sense.

With incredible power comes incredible responsibility.

And I am thinking that Nos should be recruited today 100%

Even with his hypocrisy I think he is town. Then he can read the hood for himself.

[MathBlade]

VOTE: Brian Skies

Brian Skies needs to die now. He specifically vetoed Oath AND RC vigs to put it on Theta who flipped green.

And Oath let’s not do this again please. For fuck’s sake we determined the cases on me were shit yesterday from RC.

It’s either Oath and Skies as scum Skies and RC or RC and Oath

Those three slots all need death

At work.

@Nos

Like for all the shit you give me for not reading lol

Like I am back to work and shit

But recruit Nos

Lynch pool should be Titus Oath Skies Creature would be a settle and I am in a zero fucks mood for a settle after my last settle ended up on town

[MathBlade]

also tbh screw the hood

apparently I'm told no when I try to look for slanking scum

err who did this?

Per the last post by Mastina in the hood you have access.

I am the one who suggested not hitting a lurker of which muffin and Theta called into because apathy makes them a fucking coin flip. Unlike RC/Titus who is practically dead scum walking and Oath who fucking claimed not town aka scum

This like isn’t hard.

[MathBlade]

The titled of this game is Lynch the Wolves. You guys are doing it wrong. JSYK

this post is fucking unneeded

Obviously it is needed...

Cuz you're doing it wrong.

We know. You acting all high and mighty about it makes me not like you.

Is lyncher bastard? I swear that’s the only reason for attacking a claimed fucking vig.

[MathBlade]

Yeh, our wincon says we only need to eliminate wolves.

Gonna assume this game isn't bastard.

Of which Oath said he is not town
Replace revive with 1 shot BP
Replace vampire with werewolf

RC tried to mislynch me
Oath took up the mantle

This isn’t rocket science

[MathBlade]

By Math's own admission, the other 2 in the hood were fairly inactive during the night, and not trying to push anything really. (during n1 at least)

This could mean many things.

1 of gamme/Brian is scum, but the first person decided to take it easy, lay low, try to survive - have RC push their agenda for them to lynch math.
2 as you say, Math and creature are scum. But Math has been actively trying to protect the others in the hood. None of them have ended up dead.
3 Creature and 1 of Gamma/Brian is scum. They had to lynch math to take over the hood.
4 Everyone in the hood is town
5 Mathblade is scum, but is preferring to just survive over attempting to take over the hood and risk getting outted

I can honestly go on if I use that small creative writing part of my brain, but really, can we even know which one is true? Trying to make assumptions of this nature is extremely dangerous.

Common sense was in control of the hood until Skies unhammered Oath.

Oath should have been dead

I even mentioned exactly what Oath would do which was tunnel me and oh yeah it happened

Just fucking pissed

[MathBlade]

I even mentioned exactly what Oath would do which was tunnel me and oh yeah it happened

Sorry, I'm only here to lynch wolves, not manage your town credibility.

OATH CLAIMED NOT TOWN = LIKELY WOLF
RC FAKeD TWO gUILTIES = WOLF

I fucking kill not town

[MathBlade]

Yeh, our wincon says we only need to eliminate wolves.

Gonna assume this game isn't bastard.

Of which Oath said he is not town
Replace revive with 1 shot BP
Replace vampire with werewolf

RC tried to mislynch me
Oath took up the mantle

This isn’t rocket science

so Brian Skies decided to save him because what?

Because Skies and Oath are wolves excuse me I mean “vampires” together

And oh about unprompted, I have claimed unprompted as scum when the game was out of control and steamrolled for that reason

Oath claimed because I was getting townread.

[MathBlade]

Oh look Oath is claiming 1 shot BP “Vampire” shocking — NOT

[MathBlade]

Also, I still maintain that I never veto'ed RC.

And you did several times will get the post numbers tomorrow

I gotta get back to work

[MathBlade]

177 is a sample

So piss off Skies

You were Theta or nothing

I gotta go

[MathBlade]

You said you weren’t feeling RC right now

That is a veto

Eat rope

[MathBlade]

You said you weren’t feeling RC right now

That is a veto

Eat rope

Like, that is literally in the same post where I said I would consider RC. How is that a veto?

No you don’t

You said one sentence about RC

That you’re not interested in RC right now

This game has ceased being fun for a while when you have RC make up bullshit
Oath who gives zero fucking reasons because I would destroy them being town
And Skies who literally won’t let me shoot the toxic slots

And so I am just fucking done

V/LA til monday

[MathBlade]

The titled of this game is Lynch the Wolves. You guys are doing it wrong. JSYK

this post is fucking unneeded

Obviously it is needed...

Cuz you're doing it wrong.

We know. You acting all high and mighty about it makes me not like you.

Is lyncher bastard? I swear that’s the only reason for attacking a claimed fucking vig.

Wait is he really vig? I thought he just had his bloodsucking power.

I am just ignoring Skies because more misrep is gonna send my BP sky high

We are the fucking vig. “Lynched” flavor

I claimed it already. I am pretty sure scum wanted that secret.

[MathBlade]

The titled of this game is Lynch the Wolves. You guys are doing it wrong. JSYK

this post is fucking unneeded

Obviously it is needed...

Cuz you're doing it wrong.

We know. You acting all high and mighty about it makes me not like you.

Is lyncher bastard? I swear that’s the only reason for attacking a claimed fucking vig.

Wait is he really vig? I thought he just had his bloodsucking power.

I am just ignoring Skies because more misrep is gonna send my BP sky high

We are the fucking vig. “Lynched” flavor

I claimed it already. I am pretty sure scum wanted that secret.

It's my understanding there are three flavors: hood, ?, and wolves. Yet you say the vig? Are you slipping multiball?

No I am not claiming the shot flavored

I said our hood could kill without prompting

*sigh*

Like :/

[MathBlade]

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Pretty sure AA9 inactivity is not alignment indicative. Seems to be a siteflake.

Still V/LA

[MathBlade]

both Math and Brian Skies look bad, but yeah, I agree on the point on why they just not kill Gamma and take the neighborhood for themselves

Can’t lynch in the hood and I wouldn’t lynch a townread

[MathBlade]

pretend i havent read recent pages in any depth ("surely that's impossible!" yes, i know, but use the power of imagination...)

point me to where you've explained what you think is town about mathblade, ankamius

Oh yay scum still tunnel my slot to no fucking end

Booooo

Yeah pretty sure I am done with mafia a bit after this game

[MathBlade]

Oh right, neighborhood ceases to work if there's no human left

Wait what? It states that mechanically the neighbourhood stops functioning if theres no humans in it anymore?

Yep sure does

I was trying to keep that from scum if there wasn’t scum in the hood though

It’s one of the reasons I thought masonry

[MathBlade]

pretend i havent read recent pages in any depth ("surely that's impossible!" yes, i know, but use the power of imagination...)

point me to where you've explained what you think is town about mathblade, ankamius

Oh yay scum still tunnel my slot to no fucking end

Booooo

Yeah pretty sure I am done with mafia a bit after this game

Why would scum tunneling piss you off so much? Arent they supposed to do that if youre town?

If youre town, snap out of this defensive whining (sorry that im being harsh, but u need to hear it) - and hunt which of the many people attacking you are actually scum, and be a bit more convincing. It really isnt obvious for the rest.

Scum tunnel sure. That is fine

But RC as scum faked a guilty.
People day one voted me because my role couldn’t be real or some shit despite not thinking about what it would mean if I was lying
Then people today vote me for trying to vig scum and that is the only reason I see

I don’t see anyone making cases or anything to interact with
The closest was a case on AA9 for diehard lurking which was easily refuted

When I get attacked personally and with no reasons attached and when I even communicate my reads or do my job I am scum and then I have to respond to that instead of communicate

I am just done

[MathBlade]

Ok that is a gamechanger.

Mathblade? Comment?

Does the hood stop functioning if theres no humans left?

Yes the hood stops functioning if there is no humans left

[MathBlade]

Oh man, I feel so violated and lied to now

See why I am concerned about people tunneling me constantly now? :/

Shoulda told me there is scum in the hood

#MathDerp

[MathBlade]

zMuffinMan and traitor!Oath are already outed

Oh and look who was called scum for wanting to vig Oath?

This dude.

[MathBlade]

I would much rather recruit Nos but with outed scum it’s better to shoot. I have my reasons but can’t explain them when scum!Skies is still in the hood.

Pedit Gladiator based on WWE Mafia game I was in.

[MathBlade]

Brian Skies, Titus, Hebichan, HWS

Is that list the scum list?

[MathBlade]

We have four neighborhood members

when we no longer see someone being lynched at night we'll know there are only scum left in the hood

Yeah. Problem is outing that theory means scum either A) Go for mass mislynches in the hood if we’re all town
Or B) Shoot in the hood if scum don’t have control

That information was only good secret. Me taking all the heat kinda confirms I am human but if others in the hood were attacked we could have gotten more

Hence why RC and Oath are probably scum.

[MathBlade]

Now that it is known it’s the whole Observer’s Paradox

[MathBlade]

creature is probably scum whos never actually going to explode on anyone and mathblade is probably scum who recruited him into that hood to influence the kill

1) This is stupid. If scum with Creature I would never recruit Creature scum!Creature is a lurk Sac
2) If this was the case me and Skies never would argue. Creature would just say no to whatever Skies wanted as Gamma was not in the hood so Me+Creature would have majority. The fact Theta died disproves that case

[MathBlade]

We have four neighborhood members

when we no longer see someone being lynched at night we'll know there are only scum left in the hood

Yeah. Problem is outing that theory means scum either A) Go for mass mislynches in the hood if we’re all town
Or B) Shoot in the hood if scum don’t have control

That information was only good secret. Me taking all the heat kinda confirms I am human but if others in the hood were attacked we could have gotten more

Hence why RC and Oath are probably scum.

Theres a few things wrong with this theory though (or that they just played upon)

Titus seemed quite convincingly to wanna lynch Oath.
There is suddenly a lot less perogative for scum to wanna take over the hood (the entire game is suddenly up-side down for me)

Titus is also a bad “convincer” as scum. It is a hallmark. Then she can go back and say “look what I wanted” and then never actually do anything

@mastina/Jingle Can you please poke/prod/replace AA9?

[MathBlade]

but with outed scum

it’s better to shoot

. I have my reasons but can’t explain them

when scum!Skies is still in the hood

.

You're hilarious.

creature is probably scum whos never actually going to explode on anyone and mathblade is probably scum who recruited him into that hood to influence the kill

2) If this was the case me and Skies never would argue. Creature would just say no to whatever Skies wanted as Gamma was not in the hood so Me+Creature would have majority. The fact Theta died disproves that case

This actually does make some sense and disproves Math+Creature for me.

I am just a humble man and I am to serve

It’s a damn shame you’re scum though.

You seem like a stand up guy.

I also see why you think it is comical but I promise that I am not smoking anything and that Nos should be added to the hood at some point

[MathBlade]

Meh I am kinda apathetic atm about this game.

If we could vig Skies I would be all for lynching muffin right now. I just don’t know how we deal with scum!Skies in the hood right now without lynching him. Mainly I need the scum in the hood to flip so we can defeat recruit Nos. And based on how Skies talked then and now it is probably him.

[MathBlade]

Sure, we can lynch Brian Skies, WE DO NOT RECRUIT, we maybe lynch Oath who's 1-shot BP and vig takes care of Muffin

There is a slight issue with that if scum know who the vig is and have a roleblocker. I have my thoughts but mainly I think that is the best way to go about it because of Oath’s claimed revival. If it wasn’t for that I would swap muffin and Oath just in case.

[MathBlade]

And technically the vig could be scum :/ Doubtful but possible.

[MathBlade]

If all this shit turns up red, have faith in me and we recruit Nos.

[MathBlade]

And technically the vig could be scum :/ Doubtful but possible.

not normal.

Theme game

[MathBlade]

If all this shit turns up red, have faith in me and we recruit Nos.

gonna make sure the game will end before you even think about wasting a night on a recruit

It’s not a waste.

Just need the hood scumfree to explain why.

[MathBlade]

I expect game to reach F4 or F3 before hood is extinct but whatever

I don’t want the hood extinct. I want it scum free. There is a reason. I has an idea that scum won’t see coming

[MathBlade]

nos is cleared?

Nope. It’s because of my divining rod in my brain says all flags point to Nos town.

[MathBlade]

Sure, we can lynch Brian Skies, WE DO NOT RECRUIT, we maybe lynch Oath who's 1-shot BP and vig takes care of Muffin

There is a slight issue with that if scum know who the vig is and have a roleblocker. I have my thoughts but mainly I think that is the best way to go about it because of Oath’s claimed revival. If it wasn’t for that I would swap muffin and Oath just in case.

We should do this

*floats along on VLA*

[MathBlade]

To be fair it doesn't tell me anything except that I was "unsuccessful" or "did not receive abilities" when I fail in either. It doesn't say why- so that doesn't mean it's not true. The verfication really only comes if I'm successful.

The only reason I feel like I succeeded in my target of Aronis and fulfilled my condition is because they breadcrumbed feeling lethargic - also mind you, my predecessor was the one who targeted Aronis. I just received the info after replacing in.

P-edit: Um... why would I? I had no reason to think he had any abilities. Unless I missed a claim?

This just reads like a load of bullshit. I am still kinda half here. Will look more tomorrow :/

[MathBlade]

Titus, our win condition only says to lynch wolves.

I just don't see Math trying to force me to lynch Oath and then throwing a tantrum against me today for not lynching Oath if they're buddies.

Like RC fake claims on me.
Gets disproven.
Oath tunnels me sans reason.

I am thinking RC/Titus+ Oath and instead of having someone in the hood the extract out is their power to deal with it so they can remove one from speaking and kill another

Then if it is ever three people alone then they could neutralize it if they get just one scum in there.

Moon logic

[MathBlade]

Titus, our win condition only says to lynch wolves.

I just don't see Math trying to force me to lynch Oath and then throwing a tantrum against me today for not lynching Oath if they're buddies.

Math is moonlogic. Oath could be lost wolf too (traitor).

*glares*

Are you seriously going to argue that I spent all day and night arguing to lynch Oath and Oath argues to lynch me through telepathy? Like really?

[MathBlade]

Titus, our win condition only says to lynch wolves.

I just don't see Math trying to force me to lynch Oath and then throwing a tantrum against me today for not lynching Oath if they're buddies.

Math is moonlogic. Oath could be lost wolf too (traitor).

*glares*

Are you seriously going to argue that I spent all day and night arguing to lynch Oath and Oath argues to lynch me through telepathy? Like really?

No. More likely you just didn't know he was on your team is a possibility.

And Oath continues to spam I am scum after RC spams it 1000 times because why? Like booooo that is terribad

[MathBlade]

To be fair it doesn't tell me anything except that I was "unsuccessful" or "did not receive abilities" when I fail in either. It doesn't say why- so that doesn't mean it's not true. The verfication really only comes if I'm successful.

The only reason I feel like I succeeded in my target of Aronis and fulfilled my condition is because they breadcrumbed feeling lethargic - also mind you, my predecessor was the one who targeted Aronis. I just received the info after replacing in.

P-edit: Um... why would I? I had no reason to think he had any abilities. Unless I missed a claim?

What condition is that?

You said your wincon is exactly the same as town?

[MathBlade]

A protective role that stops roleblocks?

Rolestopper would fit the bill except then Oath wouldn’t have drained Hebi successfully. As he supposedly said he did.

Did you get a lethargy message hebi?

And why would town have another protective after a jailkeep?

Is it possible scum don’t have a PT this game?

[MathBlade]

Huh? I am so lost and confused right now.

:/

@mastina/Jingle can we like have a vote count or something?

[MathBlade]

To be fair it doesn't tell me anything except that I was "unsuccessful" or "did not receive abilities" when I fail in either. It doesn't say why- so that doesn't mean it's not true. The verfication really only comes if I'm successful.

The only reason I feel like I succeeded in my target of Aronis and fulfilled my condition is because they breadcrumbed feeling lethargic - also mind you, my predecessor was the one who targeted Aronis. I just received the info after replacing in.

P-edit: Um... why would I? I had no reason to think he had any abilities. Unless I missed a claim?

What condition is that?

You said your wincon is exactly the same as town?

[MathBlade]

VOTE: Oath

[MathBlade]

There's a pretty easy way to solve this!

VOTE: Oath

Hey great minds think alike!

[MathBlade]

Wouldnt GE have lost acces to the lynchmob PT if what Oath describes is his real role though?

GE, any comment?

It’s mod confirmed GE lost access.

And gee Skies back on me shocking at work will respond tongiht

[MathBlade]

mathblade is probably scum
creature is probably scum
nosferatu is probably scum
AA9 might be lurker scum (and i'd actually be willing to lynch that slot just to save mastina the trouble of finding a replacement when that slot inevitably flakes)

Whoo hoo. More spamming I am scum without reasons.

At least Skies has reasons. They’re flawed but maybe if people lynch someone with reasons we will get somewhere.

I just am so apathetic about this game it isn’t even funny.

[MathBlade]

I believe Oath's claim. And I no longer have a huge issue with her draining Hebi if her intention was to copy or whatever. Honestly, outside of maybe Oath (which does seem like it would threaten wolves if it can seriously roleblock the NK, which is what she claimed

yesterday

), I feel like Hebi should have been the most likely to have drawn a kill last night just based on claim, so...

The werewolf kill is also still missing and Oath's role is the only one so far that seems able to have drawn a NK and survive.

GE also did lose access to the PT last night, which I've said on at least one or two occasions already. And it was verified by Jingle at the beginning of Night 2.

I've walked in a giant circle, but I'm back to wanting to lynch Math or Titus. I really don't care which one at this point, but I'm currently leaning Math since he really really wanted Oath last night (and I think going for a double whammy on a self-reviving Vampire seems like something Maf would want).

VOTE: MathBlade

.... Yeah after me demonstrating logic to you and working with you you’re back to me scum. Ugh can we like not repeat day two please?

I am tired of trying to stop the silliness.

[MathBlade]

Oath's claim is like too weird to be scum

atleast too weird to be a fakeclaim

I've seen weirder.

VOTE: creature

Math might be scum, but might also just be bad, and creature gives us better associatives on math, scum creature makes scum math a lot more likely. I'm not as convinced the other way around is true.

I already explained me+creature can’t be a thing
I already explained that if it isn’t me + Creature I have spent all day one protecting the hood
All day two trying to keep shit from scum
All night two trying to make sure we got use and then recruiting prob!town

But sure only scum do that because I don’t trust Oath is telling the truth. Because we all must worship the 3 P claim. *double eye roll*

[MathBlade]

Should we just lynch Muffin today?

We should lynch Skies as we discussed and agreed upon.

[MathBlade]

.... Yeah after me demonstrating logic to you and working with you you’re back to me scum. Ugh can we like not repeat day two please?

I am tired of trying to stop the silliness.

I can do Titus.

Like I said, not picky.

Anyone else, I'd probably need to be convinced.

I am cool with Titus.

VOTE: Titus

I would just rather you. But I will take you bussing.

[MathBlade]

I'm not a wolf, but whatever.

VOTE: Titus

Oh I am pretty sure you are. Titus’s flip would prove it.

It’d confirm RC’s vendetta against me and Oath picked it up when RC got shut down.

Unless you’re gonna try to sell Gamma/Aronis scum to me. Are you?

[MathBlade]

If I can’t lynch you I will take your vote on a scumread of mine

[MathBlade]

Oh I am pretty sure you are. Titus’s flip would prove it.

How would a Titus flip prove it?

Titus replaced RC.
RC faked a guilty on Luna Nova
RC then turned around and faked a guilty on me and got proven false.
He was so destructive the mod force replaced him. He was disgusting as fuck.

Have you caught up yet?

[MathBlade]

It’s why I ranted to vig Titus/RC in the hood there is no way they are town.

[MathBlade]

Oh I am pretty sure you are. Titus’s flip would prove it.

How would a Titus flip prove it?

Titus replaced RC.
RC faked a guilty on Luna Nova
RC then turned around and faked a guilty on me and got proven false.
He was so destructive the mod force replaced him. He was disgusting as fuck.

Have you caught up yet?

What does any of this have to do with me?

1) It is extremely likely there is scum in the hood.
2) If Titus flips town I would be shocked but it would be highly indicative of me which would be a frame job which means you. Gamma/Aronis wouldn’t have had enough influence it’d have to have been you’re predecessor who flakes and we almost pushed til they showed up.
3) If Titus flips scum this means I am pretty much confTown which means we are back to you and Gamma/Aronis

Or there is an all town hood which with how Titus was denied to me I am leaning you if Titus flips scum and you’re bussing for cred.

And yes you’ve ranted you didn’t deny it but anyone can read that hood and see you did.

[MathBlade]

Oh I am pretty sure you are. Titus’s flip would prove it.

How would a Titus flip prove it?

Titus replaced RC.
RC faked a guilty on Luna Nova
RC then turned around and faked a guilty on me and got proven false.
He was so destructive the mod force replaced him. He was disgusting as fuck.

Have you caught up yet?

What does any of this have to do with me?

1) It is extremely likely there is scum in the hood.
2) If Titus flips town I would be shocked but it would be highly indicative of me which would be a frame job which means you. Gamma/Aronis wouldn’t have had enough influence it’d have to have been you’re predecessor who flakes and we almost pushed til they showed up.
3) If Titus flips scum this means I am pretty much confTown which means we are back to you and Gamma/Aronis

Or there is an all town hood which with how Titus was denied to me I am leaning you if Titus flips scum and you’re bussing for cred.

And yes you’ve ranted you didn’t deny it but anyone can read that hood and see you did.

1) Maybe, but I'm not a wolf. And I don't think Gamma is either.
2) I've done zero framing, but sure, I can maybe see you thinking this (there are probably only so many people that can be scum at this point, so sure). However, if you're oh so convinced she's scum, why are you suddenly putting a qualifier here?
3) Extremely likely doesn't mean definitely, and this

still

doesn't prove I'm a wolf, regardless of what Titus flips.

Also, once again, this doesn't explain why Titus flipping

any alignment

proves that I'd be a wolf.

Gamma has access to the hood. Why don't you ask him if I've lied or misrepresented

literally anything

that's gone on in there.

1) Yes it fucking does
Just because you say it doesn’t doesn’t make that true.

2) I don’t have to ask. I can read. However if Gamma wishes to chime in I am sure he would back me up on it because it is reality that you vetoed everything I said and were a stick in the mud on Theta

[MathBlade]

And the qualifier is because while I am damn certain I don’t know.

I know but I don’t “know”.

Like I am the damned closest I could be to RC scum without mod confirmation

[MathBlade]

can we please not lynch the rc slot for the thing he does every game and instead lynch obv scum creature ty

Who was Creature again?

Yay...Faking a derp tell :/

Creature is Creature and was and always will be Creature. Unless he replaces out:

[MathBlade]

can we please not lynch the rc slot for the thing he does every game and instead lynch obv scum creature ty

Who was Creature again?

he didnt replace anyone

What a way to provide no content *sigh*

Cmon nos I am pretty sure you’re town but help me out here

[MathBlade]

having to go through Math v RC shit was pretty demotivating

Then help me fix the cause and vote Titus.

RC is the reason this game is in the shitter.

He faked two guilties for fucks sake. This shouldn’t be hard.

[MathBlade]

A townflip rn would be even more demotivating

Which is why Titus is the best lynch possible. It’s a scum flip.

[MathBlade]

Imagine how motivating a Titus scum flip is.

Hell I am fucking salivating right now.

[MathBlade]

Pretty sure Math is just trying a last death effort from zmuffin.

Clearly when I said it is acceptable for him to die.

That’s clearly what I am doing /sarcasm

[MathBlade]

though sorta skeptical about leaving outed scum get into the night

We can handle muffin or Titus.

The latter is outed scum to me as well.

[MathBlade]

Oh have we decided on which distraction to lynch yet

Eh lets get muffin imho.

Though dunno how I feel about oath trying to drain me again

Let’s do Oath.

He’s clearly lying.

He and RC have had a hard on for me.

RC/Titus Oath Muffin. At the very least Oath has been scumsiding this whole game if 3P.

[MathBlade]

VOTE: Oath

[MathBlade]

Ank is still scummy.

Happy earth rotation day Brian!

[MathBlade]

Are we going to leash the neighborhood tonight? Otherwise it's likely both Brian and Math will want to kill Titus.

Let’s look at it from this perspective.

No one wants to actively sort me or Titus.

If Titus flips town, I am quickwagon mislynched.
If Titus flips scum then hooray.

Win win as then no sorting in the game thread has to happen. Why are you so eager to protect Titus?

[MathBlade]

Pretty much the only downside is if RC faked two guilties as town in which case I yell at his ass post game because he ranted for hours when I demanded his lynch when I caught him fake claiming PGO.

[MathBlade]

Guess I am not part of the thread

You are? Why do you say that?

[MathBlade]

@lol at Titus spamming again

[MathBlade]

no to oath-scum

Do you think Oath is 3P?

[MathBlade]

Then do you think RC/Titus is scum or town?

[MathBlade]

Anyway - don't we have a 5 person townblock here? At least people who are almost 100% town by roles? Me Vecna Hebi ank and Ank's partner? (assuming Hebi is town). that should help...

This is a Mastina game and an Alisae game.

Since when do they have 5 confirmed town?

[MathBlade]

And better yet how? Best case assuming no traitor is Hebi Vecna and HWS

[MathBlade]

And you’re assuming Ank is a mason.

I still maintain that she isn’t a mason.

[MathBlade]

I mean if Definition copied stuff from the mason page on the wiki then... that seems fine to me?

...Let’s assume Ank is a mason.

Claiming here accurately results in 5 “confirmed” town.

There are thirteen alive. It becomes simple math.

This means all the scum would be on 8 people.
This is when scum have done zilch wrong and have lynched a PR on day one and killed another on night one
And mislynched on day two.

Name a game where scum lose by fulfilling their wincon.

[MathBlade]

Furthermore why isn’t hebichan dead if she is town?

I find it highly odd Mastina a person who hates “confirmed” town almost as much as Varsoon does that?

And if this was the case I would expect scum to be freaking out.

They just aren’t. This means the confirmed cage is likely fake.

[MathBlade]

I mean if Definition copied stuff from the mason page on the wiki then... that seems fine to me?

...Let’s assume Ank is a mason.

Claiming here accurately results in 5 “confirmed” town.

There are thirteen alive. It becomes simple math.

This means all the scum would be on 8 people.
This is when scum have done zilch wrong and have lynched a PR on day one and killed another on night one
And mislynched on day two.

Name a game where scum lose by fulfilling their wincon.

Why are you saying this when the game could have gone differently? If scum get PoEd by innos, that's their fault.

It could gone differently yes.
However Mastina and Alisae consider those scenarios.

If they get PoE’d by innos that is impossible in a mastina setup

[MathBlade]

PoE’d by innos implied scum were doing something stupid. If don’t see any evidence of that or scum freaking out.

Therefore Ank isn’t a mason or the innos aren’t innos

[MathBlade]

i literally dont believe masons until one flips

+1 agreed

At which point if a mason flips, hebi becomes policy to validate the reads she had to confirm the innos.

[MathBlade]

That is assuming they are real “innos” but I just don’t think 5 innos is a thing right now.

[MathBlade]

there are only 2 conf town, vecna and hws

Assuming scum have a PT yes. If scum don’t have a PT there would be no confirmed town.

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And before you ask, yes that is a thing. I have been scum in a game where scum have no PT. It would make sense with all the generate a PT bits at the start.

In general in that game then a given scum (dictated at start or rotation) makes the night kill and the other scum PMs the mod any input they have to be delivered to the other scum.

It’d also explain the lack of vote counts etc. Mastina would be overwhelmed on top of going through stuff.

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@mastina/Jingle do scum have a PT?

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I am not dumbtelling or trying to do anything of the sort.

I genuinely think that it’s probable scum don’t have a PT. The hallmarks are all there. The same wifom from the game where I was scum is present with that exact scenario link incoming.

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Link where scum have no PT and look at who the mod was Jingle.
Who is the backup mod here Jingle.
Easiest way to balance “innos” make them fake.

I was a PT godfather.