Mafia of Revelations ~ Game Over!

[Albert B. Rampage]

This player list is awesome.

VOTE: Hoopla

[Albert B. Rampage]

The real world scum are scientologists, leftwing politicians, and the chinese government lol

[Albert B. Rampage]

MT you wanna make an alliance with me

[Albert B. Rampage]

Spoiler: Revelation

Biden will pick Kamala and she will be the real nominee running for president

[Albert B. Rampage]

what should we call our alliance?

[Albert B. Rampage]

The Game of Thrones has begun

[Albert B. Rampage]

Oh yeah? We're just gonna let anyone in our alliance with no screening?

[Albert B. Rampage]

How about we call our alliance The Welcome Center?

[Albert B. Rampage]

Oh yeah? We're just gonna let anyone in our alliance with no screening?

How about we call our alliance The Welcome Center?

Yes!! --wait. is that a jab at my overwillingness to ally?

Morning Tweet and I have formed an alliance, Albert and Morning Tweet have formed a separate alliance, trilateral negotiations underway to consolidate our two empires

oh okay you have a point. Relations are going to become complicated quickly. i still extend an open team invitation to all cute players and will make it my first order of business to unite our many alliances

Good job MT. We will hold a public position of many alliances and openness in order to feed our higher level secret alliance.

[Albert B. Rampage]

VOTE: Blair

Ready to lynch this

[Albert B. Rampage]

MT our network of alliances is working. Neighborize me tonight so we can coordinate.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Since most of you are freaking old btw, did you guys see that Hyde from that 70s show got arrested for raping 3 women?

[Albert B. Rampage]

what made your name blue?

[Albert B. Rampage]

I feel like he's forcing himself into the alliance.

Forcing...? I came up with the whole idea!

[Albert B. Rampage]

Spoiler: Revelation

Kmd is a jailkeeper.

[Albert B. Rampage]

You gonna get on this wagon with me or....

ok, blair can wait.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: morning tweet

Is this vote based on more than a hunch?

[Albert B. Rampage]

I think ABR still has solid scum odds but I vaguely remember finding a similar version of him falsely scummy long ago.

Yeah no kidding

[Albert B. Rampage]

Always wait for claim

[Albert B. Rampage]

Morning Tweet is cute in every game. She definitely possesses the capability of faking gamesolving, and convincingly so.

I'll call you out on your linking to a game that has nothing to do with your point

[Albert B. Rampage]

@ABR

do you have any thoughts on our two main wagons? seems weird of you to be posting during the formation of this battle and not bother addressing them at all.

I dont even start reading the game until page 25 these days.

Explain to me what's going on and I'll give you my opinion on it.

[Albert B. Rampage]

I'll call you out on your linking to a game that has nothing to do with your point

I think she makes a convincing attempt in that game to appear as though she is gamesolving - you disagree with that?

But she was town in partition...

[Albert B. Rampage]

Explain to me gc vs iamuser

[Albert B. Rampage]

and use quotes

[Albert B. Rampage]

I dont even start reading the game until page 25 these days.

Explain to me what's going on and I'll give you my opinion on it.

town heroine hoopla dazzled onlookers with a stunning moment of divine intuition, powering the wagon on GC-scum.

in response, shady antihero blair rustled up an uninspired counterwagon on lurking easy-target iamausername. her motivations? god knows.

You didn't explain anything and I still need to be explained gc and iamuser if you want my vote

[Albert B. Rampage]

iamuser vs gc doesn't inspire any confidence at all.

One guy has 2 votes and the other "is calling people out while not doing much".

Okay.

I have a town read on Hoopla.

Other than that nothing pops out.

[Albert B. Rampage]

2 posts*

[Albert B. Rampage]

I'm going to give IIAU a break, I don't think it was scummy.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Well the IAAU one is simple. There are two posts there and his vote is the kind of minor inconsistency scum go for.
GC has a more developed ISO of different stuff, but most recently 305 calls a bunch of people suspicious and disappointing without really doing anything.

We caught two scum in the first 10 pages? Well that was easy!

I'm kind of surprised Reck and Puppy are such wallpaper this game. Not really what I was expecting from either

This is moderately scummy.

VOTE: VP Baltar

[Albert B. Rampage]

I have to solve the full game D1 because I die N1.

You're not gonna die n1. There's me, farside, auro, MT, a lot of options for kills in this game. You don't stand out.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Starbuck is always scummy in my experience. I think you guys are getting a false positive.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Blair is fairly easy to read

[Albert B. Rampage]

Starbuck is always scummy in my experience. I think you guys are getting a false positive.

Would you be able to tell the difference?

No

[Albert B. Rampage]

I like MT’s post 473. I know scum can generate these kinds of posts easily enough, but it feels not wrong by and large.

I agree with MT’s sentiments about Auro.

MT does this as both alignments.

[Albert B. Rampage]

i suppose being coy adds nothing. i received a piece of game information in my role PM. i was also told that the mafia were aware that i know a piece of information about the game. i assume that will put a target on my head.

Why don't you just reveal it?

[Albert B. Rampage]

How do I sort the activity in this game by player? Didn't there used to be a report?

[Albert B. Rampage]

UNVOTE: Auro
VOTE: VP Baltar

lost my taste for the Auro wagon right around this post.

in other news, AGar has now thoroughly ingratiated himself into my town reads - can't imagine this post coming from scum - there are clear benefits for scum to not alerting everyone to the source of the misunderstanding, pretty much regardless of Blair/Starbuck alignments.

Good vote.

Now rally the others and let's run up VP Baltar to L-1.

[Albert B. Rampage]

your previous vote for Auro was warranted too

Who do you guys prefer to lynch between Auro and VP?

[Albert B. Rampage]

Vote VP Baltar or Auro

[Albert B. Rampage]

I also suspect UT. I don't like his "i dont know how to read this game" post or any of his other contributions.

[Albert B. Rampage]

VP/UT/auro

[Albert B. Rampage]

no gimmicks here just skill

[Albert B. Rampage]

Green Crayons (L-6) ~ CantLynchAPuppy, xRECKONERx, AGar
Starbuck (L-6) ~ Green Crayons, Kmd4390, Blair

Change your votes from these shitty wagons

[Albert B. Rampage]

CantLynchAPuppy, xRECKONERx, AGar, Green Crayons, Kmd4390, Blair

Hey guys you're probably voting town so let's stop this malarkey and coalesce on scum

[Albert B. Rampage]

Regarding VP, I think his post history is really wallflower-y. A little commenting, a little asking directionless questions, and a whole lot of not really taking a stance on anything. I like this slot for scum.

interesting. bring your vote aboard.

[Albert B. Rampage]

so I think

vote VP Baltar

for now because between him and Blair, I have a no mixed feelings about that scumread whereas I do about Blair

Good vote

[Albert B. Rampage]

If Hoopla and Reck are both scum I think it's up to PRs to save us.

You have no idea who you are in the presence of

[Albert B. Rampage]

Can someone give me a breakdown of why we're seeing a VPB wagon take off with so little resistance? Because I'm not seeing anything to sway in a particular direction.

iamuser and GC wagons are bad

VP baltar needs votes

[Albert B. Rampage]

He only gets a free pass for day 1.

He shouldn't get a pass for day 1 either. VP Balter is an amazing bandwagon.

Remember how bad your reads were in all of our recent games.

Listen to me and vote VP Baltar.

[Albert B. Rampage]

I appeal to the authority of my own self on this one. It's scummy.

[Albert B. Rampage]

I don't explain anything day 1 or else scum will know what to do and say in order for me not to scumread them. It will change the site meta.

[Albert B. Rampage]

its ok reck ill hard carry

[Albert B. Rampage]

I have always been a better player than you at your prime, don't be jealous

[Albert B. Rampage]

I tend to get scum read a lot as either alignment. I think it's my face.

i used to have a terrible case of resting-scumface too. i have since learnt to let the purity of my town essence flow through me.

I'll try to reach my inner gwyneth paltrow going forward.

Try it in the next game when you get a town role pm

[Albert B. Rampage]

ABR always does this. How am i supposed to read him, he's basically just saying he knows who scum is and is yelling for everyone to help him over and over again. I have played with ABR on both sides though, hopefully i can be more useful and figure him out sometime. Our town games were kind of weird though and he played way differently in both of them, the common thing between both of them was that he just repeats the same idea over and over again though lol

Are you tired of winning yet?

[Albert B. Rampage]

ABR, do you think Auro is scum or town?

I like his vote on you then he OMGUS farside so i think hes scummy

[Albert B. Rampage]

I have been talking to you for the past few pages trying to get you to vote for scum

[Albert B. Rampage]

UT/auro/VP all need pushing

[Albert B. Rampage]

VP is town

He's trying to look town but I don't think he is

[Albert B. Rampage]

What I do think is important about the ABR vote is that it comes right after I point out he has a useless vote camped on Blair.

Blair and VP Baltar cross defense should be noted by everyone. One is likely using the other to further their mafia wincon.

[Albert B. Rampage]

VP is town

He's trying to look town but I don't think he is

Would you be able to tell the difference?

Its early game still, im about 60% scum on VP Baltar and 55% on auro, 50% on UT

[Albert B. Rampage]

GC I need you to stop voting Starbuck and help me vote for VP since auro unvoted him to push an OMGUS on farside.

[Albert B. Rampage]

he defends you by asking me to unvote you

You ask me who my scumreads are and vote UT to try to make me switch off VP who you say is town

[Albert B. Rampage]

Is that a defense? I thought he was partnering Blair / ABR

Nope. Point is ABR is reacting to me calling out his lack of scumhunting, so he moved into a more aggressive position. Really only mattered his vote was wasted at that time, not who it was on.

I switched my vote from blair to you without reading your post about my useless vote or whatever. I didnt even read that.

[Albert B. Rampage]

blair i think VP is trying to pocket you

[Albert B. Rampage]

I switched my vote from blair to you without reading your post about my useless vote or whatever. I didnt even read that.

Unlikely

I stand firm by my claim, prove otherwise or get lynched day 1

[Albert B. Rampage]

I dont even start reading the game until page 25 these days.

Explain to me what's going on and I'll give you my opinion on it.

town heroine hoopla dazzled onlookers with a stunning moment of divine intuition, powering the wagon on GC-scum.

in response, shady antihero blair rustled up an uninspired counterwagon on lurking easy-target iamausername. her motivations? god knows.

You didn't explain anything and I still need to be explained gc and iamuser if you want my vote

You're on a wagon with MT. Is that a better explanation?

Is this the post? Very unremarkable.

[Albert B. Rampage]

MT you are wrong about VP Baltar. Either you need a gentle push in the right direction, or you alreadt know that...

[Albert B. Rampage]

I also feel like Auro is getting a ton of heat, and it really seems like it's because he's a new(er) guy who just writes a ton of words.

Auro is a skilled player, he's not new, I agree with you that he's underrepresented his ability thus far.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Is this the post? Very unremarkable.

Implying you could ignore seeing your own name in lights!

When you said you were calling me out for my useless vote on blair, I thought woah, did that happen? And then I saw this post in your iso and I was severely underwhelmed.

You overpromised and under delivered.

There's actually no way that you can think that I voted you in order to preemptively strike you for calling me out on my useless vote. This narrative is false.

You're a liar, and are scum.

GC and Blair, do you need me to clarify the significance of this turn of events for you? I appreciate your support in voting my 3rd scumread but I feel more confidence in my top one. Would be glad to explain further.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Yes it is a misconception.

Right now I think its VP/MT or UT/auro. This is what makes the most sense to me.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Spoiler:

He votes me here:

Well the IAAU one is simple. There are two posts there and his vote is the kind of minor inconsistency scum go for.
GC has a more developed ISO of different stuff, but most recently 305 calls a bunch of people suspicious and disappointing without really doing anything.

We caught two scum in the first 10 pages? Well that was easy!

I'm kind of surprised Reck and Puppy are such wallpaper this game. Not really what I was expecting from either

This is moderately scummy.

VOTE: VP Baltar

Votes me in a classically ABR way, so not really alignment indicative of anything. Unclear whether the "this" in that sentence refers to making a sarcastic remark about llama's inane full solve posts or me nudging Reck and Puppy on their inactivity and seeing how they reacted. Neither is a good reason for voting, but eh.

What I do think is important about the ABR vote is that it comes right after I point out he has a useless vote camped on Blair.

VP claims that I voted him in response to his pointing out that I have a useless vote camped on Blair (my 2nd vote after RVS on Hoopla).

I thought that was weird but he doubles down below.

Is that a defense? I thought he was partnering Blair / ABR

Nope. Point is ABR is reacting to me calling out his lack of scumhunting, so he moved into a more aggressive position. Really only mattered his vote was wasted at that time, not who it was on.

Now he says that I preemptively voted him due to him forcing me into a more aggressive position due to him bringing to light my lack of scumhunting.

OK, strong words.

Can we look at where he forced my hand into an aggressive position?

I dont even start reading the game until page 25 these days.

Explain to me what's going on and I'll give you my opinion on it.

town heroine hoopla dazzled onlookers with a stunning moment of divine intuition, powering the wagon on GC-scum.

in response, shady antihero blair rustled up an uninspired counterwagon on lurking easy-target iamausername. her motivations? god knows.

You didn't explain anything and I still need to be explained gc and iamuser if you want my vote

You're on a wagon with MT. Is that a better explanation?

This is the weak ass post he's referring to.

Here's my case on VP Baltar:

1) He's desperately trying to look town and willing to make big posts calling out some people as town and some as scummy (he says I'm NAI in the big post, later says he doesn't like that I am rolefishing Reck). MT says this is town but it seems incredibly pre-planned to me so I think she's the scumbuddy.

2) He's lying without pro-town motivation. He's not really baiting me, or overstating his strength to pressure me, he's changing history in order to make it seem like he WAS scumhunting which caused my reaction

3) can you see how his "calling me out" barely registered with me? It was a non-event I skimmed without thinking twice about... but in his mind it was a brave call-out because when you're scum every little push feels like a big play

4) the way he doubled down is scummy

Conclusion: VP Baltar is the first scum.

[Albert B. Rampage]

I feel like I am taking crazy pills because I do not understand the point VP is trying to make, so I'm missing what ABR is responding to.

VP: "Albert was pushing a weak vote on Blair until I called him on it, prompting him to aggressively push me instead."

ABR: "The post he is referring to where he 'called' me out on my vote wasn't even what he is representing it as, and there is no way he genuinely believes that post influenced my behavior at all."

P-edit: Yeah, that.

Exactly. You understand completely.

[Albert B. Rampage]

can you see how his "calling me out" barely registered with me? It was a non-event I skimmed without thinking twice about... but in his mind it was a brave call-out because when you're scum every little push feels like a big play

I definitely agree with you that the call out wasn't really a call out.

Don't people tend to overestimate how strong or influential their posts are regardless of alignment, though? I kind of feel like VP thought he was making a clever, nuanced point that would barb you there and read that expectation into your reaction. Help me understand why you see it differently?

You're right that town tend to remember their posts being stronger, but this usually happens after a scum flip and they believe they deserve more credit for their suspicion.

This isn't that.

This is VP Baltar defending himself against pressure by saying that I'm attacking him as a form of OMGUS because he made a throwaway line about me voting with MT not achieving anything.

First of all, it's weird that he would say that, because I think pressure on Blair helps to get the ball rolling, and it feels like him trying to pocket Blair.

Second of all, how does it help him feel better about himself? Townies are self-serving too, but this is a complex lie that does 3 things for him:

1) Gets Blair on his side
2) Makes it appear as if he's in an active scumhunting mode and throwing it all out there holding nothing back, calling everyone out for their suspicious behavior
3) Makes it appear as if I'm OMGUSing him in a way because his scumhunting was so pinpoint accurate, but that doesn't make me scum necessarily because he's such a nuanced player, but he's still discrediting me for rolefishing Reck later on

Man the whole iso is scummy.

Let me know if I need to explain more.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Up til now i have just seen your "Vote VP vote VP" posts but not any that really explain why

I explained why.

OK so you have VP as null. That's not good enough for me after my explanation.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Morning Tweet & Blair, I'd like it if you both can revisit my earlier push on farside and give me your thoughts on it.

Farside is pretty obvtown so she gets killed by scum a lot.

I really don't like Auro here independently of my VP Baltar scumread.

[Albert B. Rampage]

See this is why I don't write motherfucking cases or try to explain my vote.

When I do, it brings the bandwagon to a grinding halt as people's biases and false references cloud their judgment and they hesitate.

When I say, look at the iso and find your own reasons to vote them, they try and try to find a reason, wind up seeing something new if not the exact thing I saw, and then they vote for the player I want.

There are a multitude of tells, and the one I use may not be the one someone else finds, but in the end, it doesn't matter as long as we win.

Vote VP Baltar guys. Let's go. We don't need 80 pages to end day 1.

1) He's desperately trying to look town and willing to make big posts calling out some people as town and some as scummy (he says I'm NAI in the big post, later says he doesn't like that I am rolefishing Reck). MT says this is town but it seems incredibly pre-planned to me so I think she's the scumbuddy.

none of these points really convince me, but this one seems especially bad, i don't get what's inconsistent about calling you null but also saying he doesn't like one specific thing you're doing

He's trying extremely hard to look town, that's what this is. Harder than you, harder than me, harder than any town ought to try.

[Albert B. Rampage]

xRECKONERx, AGar, Kmd, and auro are coasting on vanity bandwagons.

[Albert B. Rampage]

OK UT is town.

[Albert B. Rampage]

I'm going through Porkens games, in Taz mafia where he endgames town as scum he sets out in pre-game to exploit Reckoner to tilt him into a freakout.

Interesting read if you're trying to sort the pork.

[Albert B. Rampage]

You're saying at that point I either should have dropped all concerns about MT or should have been following up aggressively on a forced joke twinge instead of sending a jab ABR's way?

GC is correct that you're mischaracterizing yourself as "jabbing" me, when the order of events is as GC puts it:

1) I claim I don't read the first 25 pages of a game, ask who wants my vote, ask them to explain why I should vote there
2) You chime in and say that me and MT are wasting our votes on Blair
3) I vote you with more pazaz than my page 3 Blair vote
4) You say that I'm voting you to take a more aggressive stance against you because you called me out
5) You double down on this statement

[Albert B. Rampage]

I don't like that the wagon is rooted in ABR's desire to look like he's the one in charge of the town and the rah-rah bullshit that follows and IAAUN's straight desire to counter the Auro wagon.

The 2 lynches I helped engineer are Auro and VP Baltar, sir. Either way this goes, I am the driving force in this game.

[Albert B. Rampage]

I feel like scum!VP would admit it wasn't much of a jab, now that pretty much everyone has chimed in with the same.

The fact that he hasn't makes me think he just genuinely felt like it was a good jab.

I would agree with you normally, but the way he doubles down and exaggerates the substance of his push and lied about it makes it hard for him to distance himself form it.

[Albert B. Rampage]

I don't like that the wagon is rooted in ABR's desire to look like he's the one in charge of the town and the rah-rah bullshit that follows and IAAUN's straight desire to counter the Auro wagon.

The 2 lynches I helped engineer are Auro and VP Baltar, sir. Either way this goes, I am the driving force in this game.

Do you have a mute button?

Does your pointless ego ever run out of battery?

If you want pointless ego, go find Reck. I'm here to win.

My first suspicions of Auro started here:

Morning Tweet is cute in every game. She definitely possesses the capability of faking gamesolving, and convincingly so. I actually loosely think that as scum she'd make the judgement call

to avoid

cute-gimmick posting instead of embracing it. To me, it very plainly looks like she's having fun with people she recognizes. I doubt that the motivation is "form an initial cute impression, get classified as cute, and that will help me the rest of the game!".I townread her reaction: she seemed surprised at this being the major talking point, still recognized the perspectives of people attacking her while maintaining that it's not really relevant, and noted that this play could annoy some of the playerbase and apologized for it.

I'll call you out on your linking to a game that has nothing to do with your point

Auro 275is similar to VP Baltar 261. High effort posts to make town think lazy scum wouldn't bother to make and makes town feel bad about voting them.

The devil is in the details, and if you bother to actually drill into the links they make and context of the points they try to make, everything isn't as they would have you believe.

On page 22, I lay out the way I want to shape the game state.

your previous vote for Auro was warranted too

Who do you guys prefer to lynch between Auro and VP?

Vote VP Baltar or Auro

When you're a master at mafia, battlefield control is one of the tools you use to consolidate the votes of the town and scumhunt.

[Albert B. Rampage]

yes, i think scum have the tendency to do what is required of them, but few will go the extra-mile - so to speak - and attempt to look the most active/obvtown player in the game. there is actually risk in doing so on D1/D2. i used to attempt to play scum that way in my heyday, but if you obvtown too early as scum, then are alive on D4 onwards, you end up becoming a suspect anyway from a "why are you still alive?" angle.

You know who that player is in this game?

FOS: Morning Tweet

[Albert B. Rampage]

iamausername and KMD

Don't push here. They both lurk a lot as town and get mislynched every game.

[Albert B. Rampage]

It's easy to be reasonable. You don't have people like AGar up your ass. You appease everyone. People feel bad voting you out.

What I'm interested in, is what do you believe that no one else believes? If you stand alone, what do you stand for?

If I'm scum, the way I would look at this game is who do I have to lynch and NK to achieve my win condition?

Hard to lynch: Albert B. Rampage, Untrod Tripod, farside22, Llamarble, Hoopla, Reck, Morning Tweet, Auro, VP Baltar
Would have difficulty climbing out of pressure: Blair, Green Crayons, Porkens
Would self-destruct under pressure: iamausername, Kmd4390, Starbuck, AGar, CantLynchAPuppy

I can't be lynched day 1 if I'm invested, I'm too strong and aggressive; Reck has a similar playstyle. I look around, and there's other really tough lynches for scum.

MT, Farside, and Blair tend to obvtown over time and easily become unlynchable.

Scum basically have 3 strategies they can use:

1) Going for low hanging fruit. Short term gain, safe option.
2) Go for the middle-of-the-road players to keep the easy mislynches for deeper into the game when they really need it.
3) If they feel extremely confident in their position, they can tunnel on the hard to lynch players while town runs up townies, stay out of the action, and only join the mislynch deep into the game if they have to save a buddy or can take out a threat to them.

I will now explain my counter-strategies. I think that going for an easy mislynch today is a waste. This lines me up in parallel with scum's 2nd and 3rd strategies.

I need the usual ingredients to best cook for you my game-winning solve: pressure, vote consolidation, and danger of reaching an early lynch.

If we run up a few hard to lynch players and gain precious information, we can draw out enough connections to set us up for successful subsequent days.

[Albert B. Rampage]

A bad scum player will try harder to save a good scum player. A good scum player may not help a lynchbait scum player. We need to start with the harder lynches in order to draw the bad scum players out who don't want to be alone and isolated where town will eventually get to them.

I want Auro and VP Baltar run up. I don't want to wait until page 40 for this to happen. Let's get some serious bandwagons going and win this guys.

[Albert B. Rampage]

In a game with only a couple hard to lynch players, optimal town strategy is to clean out the bad players first. In this game where half the players are skilled and tough to lynch, it's the opposite, you want to concentrate on the good players. Pressure the reasonable players, the ones who are attentive, active, who contribute. That's how we will win.

@MT @Starbuck choose VP Baltar or Auro. We need to work together and consolidate early.

Eventually the thread gets to 80 pages and nobody gives a fuck about analysis anymore and the entire town gets apathetic. To avoid that, let's bandwagon early, and hard. Join the pressure. Be the pressure.

[Albert B. Rampage]

I mean he seems more concerned with looking town. High effort, but not detail-oriented. He's usually a stronger scumhunter than he's here. Could be an off game, could be scum. We need votes to find out.

[Albert B. Rampage]

He's usually a stronger scumhunter than he's here.

This is a weird application of BoP.

How do you know the strength of my scumhunting without any flips?

Portrayed aggression in thread? Sure - but that's not something I can't fake.

Your votes on GC and farside are crap, your unvote on VP is crap.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Less WIFOM. More voting VP Baltar.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Farside misrepresenting is what farside does. Who cares. If she's scum we will find out soon enough, or else scum will NK her. Vote VP Baltar, you know you want to.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Let me put it to you straight. If you don't vote VP Baltar in the next 5 minutes, I'm switching my vote to you Auro.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Die.

VOTE: Auro

[Albert B. Rampage]

Less WIFOM. More voting VP Baltar.

Your votes on GC and farside are crap, your unvote on VP is crap.

And my GC vote was admittedly not because of any solid reasons, which I had retracted soon after.

I didn't unvote VP, I shifted.

I'll bite: why is my farside vote crap? She's pretty clearly misrepresenting meta, at least from her perspective of the games she's played with me.

Let me put it to you straight. If you don't vote VP Baltar in the next 5 minutes, I'm switching my vote to you Auro.

Let me put it to you straight. If you don't vote VP Baltar in the next 5 minutes, I'm switching my vote to you Auro.

Okay now you're making me not want to vote him.

Die.

VOTE: Auro

@ABR

You orchestrated a scenario with 861 that virtually guaranteed the given outcome.

Is it fair to say you wanted to switch to Auro? Because I'm not really buying that you wanted to stick with VP but Auro ruined it.

I don't make empty threats.

-ABR wanting to run VP up to L-1 specifically rather than lynching feels weird. Like he's interested in a claim more than convinced VP is scum.

I'm about 65% sure.

I have been suspecting Auro and VP for a very long time. It shouldn't surprise anyone that I changed from VP to Auro. They are both good lynches.

[Albert B. Rampage]

I'm fairly convinced that if we pick not Baltar / Auro it should be one of MT UT IAAU CLAP in approximately that order of preference.

Blair what do you think of MT?

I like your group. Scum inside makes sense. My strategy is to go after the harder lynches to draw out the players more afraid of losing the better scum players, so MT/UT are good potential future bandwagons but I don't want IAAU CLAP today.

I'm saying that by making the threat in the first place, you guaranteed you would be moving your vote in five minutes ("If you don't vote for who I tell you to in five minutes, I'm voting for you!" will make the other person dig their heels in 100% of the time and you knew this).

I think that fight or flight response is to vote the counterwagon and ensure his survival if he's town. Auro looks like he's putting on a show. "I was gonna vote VPB but now that you told me to I won't. Mooooom!".

[Albert B. Rampage]

Why would you forsake the wagon you built to vote someone for not getting on that wagon?

I built both wagons from scratch all the way back from pg 22.

[Albert B. Rampage]

What do you think of MT, Porkens?

[Albert B. Rampage]

I agree. I say we run up Auro/VPB for claims, hammer them if we don't like them, if they sound townie we run up MT.

[Albert B. Rampage]

I might be changing my mind and if we're forced to choose between VP and Auro I may have to go Auro.

How about MT then? Dont waste your vote until deadline like the one where you got lynched. Starbuck aint happening d1.

[Albert B. Rampage]

It's not strategic to vote easy to lynch players out in a game filled with hard ones, Auro. Even if we hit scum, the buddies would just take credit for the bus and swing the momentum back. We are better off getting information from the better players.

Auro what are the top 3 strong players in your lynchpool?

[Albert B. Rampage]

Hard to lynch: Albert B. Rampage, Untrod Tripod, farside22, Llamarble, Hoopla, Reck, Morning Tweet, Auro, VP Baltar
Would have difficulty climbing out of pressure: Blair, Green Crayons, Porkens
Would self-destruct under pressure: iamausername, Kmd4390, Starbuck, AGar, CantLynchAPuppy

I can't be lynched day 1 if I'm invested, I'm too strong and aggressive; Reck has a similar playstyle. I look around, and there's other really tough lynches for scum.

MT, Farside, and Blair tend to obvtown over time and easily become unlynchable.

Scum basically have 3 strategies they can use:

1) Going for low hanging fruit. Short term gain, safe option.
2) Go for the middle-of-the-road players to keep the easy mislynches for deeper into the game when they really need it.
3) If they feel extremely confident in their position, they can tunnel on the hard to lynch players while town runs up townies, stay out of the action, and only join the mislynch deep into the game if they have to save a buddy or can take out a threat to them.

I will now explain my counter-strategies. I think that going for an easy mislynch today is a waste. This lines me up in parallel with scum's 2nd and 3rd strategies.

I need the usual ingredients to best cook for you my game-winning solve: pressure, vote consolidation, and danger of reaching an early lynch.

If we run up a few hard to lynch players and gain precious information, we can draw out enough connections to set us up for successful subsequent days.

Gonna put this here for kmd / starbuck.

It's more strategic to pressure harder to lynch players. I need your votes for that.

Kmd when I was scum with MT in that game with you, we lynched the cop without a claim as a direct result of town saying "i will wait until deadline to change, im perfectly happy keeping my lonesome vote on this player no one else wants to lynch until then". MT and I swept the game. We need a more effective strategy and better quality of information to win. You need to contribute to us generating that intel by helping us bandwagon. Or else we lose the same way you did before.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Auro if you're town, I want to avoid you getting mislynched. You gotta stick up for yourself with a VP Baltar vote. That's unconditional. You can be a liability or go down fighting against the odds, it's up to you to make that decision.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Auro if you're town, I want to avoid you getting mislynched. You gotta stick up for yourself with a VP Baltar vote. That's unconditional. You can be a liability or go down fighting against the odds, it's up to you to make that decision.

I'm aware that he's at L-1 now, why are you baiting me to hammer?

He's at L-3.

[Albert B. Rampage]

I'll be happy when VP Baltar is put to L-1 and claims.

[Albert B. Rampage]

If there are people who think Auro should be the one to claim and not VPB, now is the time to make your vote matter.

[Albert B. Rampage]

What is your read on Hoopla guys?

[Albert B. Rampage]

Kmd did you see my post directed at you and how your vote actually matters a lot right now? There are moments in the game where the momentum rests on the vote of a few players who are stalling a decision while the iron is hot. If you think Auro > VP Baltar, vote with it and let's get a claim now, nice and early, not at the fucking deadline when we need to scramble.

[Albert B. Rampage]

The problem with you Kmd is you also suffer from long absences from the thread while you work and sleep, so you miss the action and if you sit on a Starbuck vote it doesn't help anyone. Nobody momentum will magically shift onto Starbuck.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Kmd did you see my post directed at you and how your vote actually matters a lot right now? There are moments in the game where the momentum rests on the vote of a few players who are stalling a decision while the iron is hot. If you think Auro > VP Baltar, vote with it and let's get a claim now, nice and early, not at the fucking deadline when we need to scramble.

I hadn't. When I hit submit I didn't see there was a page 39. But yeah. Ignoring the fact that you think I self destruct under pressure despite some of the games on my Egg account, I see where you're coming from. The problem is I don't really want to vote and force a claim on someone I don't think is scum. I'd rather try to lynch scum.

Sometimes you gotta help others see things your way by forcing information out of town. That's the way gramps did it. It's only American.

[Albert B. Rampage]

This has all been scum theater. A hidden mechanic in this game activates POWERFUL POWERS when the player reaches L-1. This wagon was designed to get VP juuuust up to the brink. I think the proest town thing to do would be to push it off the cliff.

If you think VP Baltar get a power when he reaches L-1, which is doubtful but let's assume so, then place your vote on Auro instead.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Id rather people not have to claim if they're town...

I think you've been wrong before, and you gotta trust me / GC / Hoopla / farside / etc. etc. etc. we are sensible here. You won't get any credit if we mislynch and you were off-wagon. You just look scummy for knowing they would flip town.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Then what? Auro claims a power role and we've outed two or claims VT, gets lynched and flips VT, and we didn't get scum like I wanted?

Preview edit: I don't have a strong town read on anyone you listed there except maybe green crayons.

Starbuck was extremely scummy in this game that just finished: viewtopic.php?f=23&t=83142

Look through it. She was town. You didn't discover something that no one else knows. I have recent meta on SB.

[Albert B. Rampage]

See you keep arguing for things that don’t get VP lynched.

What I'm certain of is that we need to put pressure on strong scum players. Auro and VP Baltar have red flags but aren't confirmed scum. I need information. Why is your certainty level so high?

[Albert B. Rampage]

I'm not even csught up on THIS game. But if you can show me a few times in that game where someone calls her out, she uses hyperbole, then acts in hindsight like she felt no pressure, I'll gladly move my vote.

I can't do that for you, you need to do your own homework. I've given you the link to look over, she plays very scummy and lies and dramatizes and all of this as town.

[Albert B. Rampage]

ABR switching to Auro then not switching back to VP who he vehemently wanted at L-1 and claim is kinda eh

He scumreads Auro for not joining the VP wagon because ABR told him to? i could have predicted that reaction from Auro regardless of alignment. saying "Vote someone or I will vote you" is practically begging Auro to not do it and i wouldve thought ABR would know that

You just plagiarized Blair.

FOS: MT

I'm saying that by making the threat in the first place, you guaranteed you would be moving your vote in five minutes ("If you don't vote for who I tell you to in five minutes, I'm voting for you!" will make the other person dig their heels in 100% of the time and you knew this).

[Albert B. Rampage]

Claim time auro!!!

[Albert B. Rampage]

I've been taking everyone's opinion into account and I find auro scummier than VPB. There's something ethereal about Auro whereas VPB puts on a more grounded defense.

[Albert B. Rampage]

I was lying to auro who I am scumreading.

[Albert B. Rampage]

I can't spell it out more than I have, I repeatedly tell you that my level of confidenceis around 55%/60% and I need to put pressure on good players to scumhunt.

You are distracting from the most exciting part of the game can you sit back for a second?

AURO IT IS TIME TO CLAIM

[Albert B. Rampage]

Dude I am fully aware I could have put VP to L-1. I am gathering information using pressure. It doesn't give me information to do everything myself. Part of this game is letting the game breathe and see reactions.

[Albert B. Rampage]

You're not tired of mislynching me yet Blair?

In GeorgeBailey's game, after FL quickhammered, you could have sheeped me to lynch FL-scum. You chose instead to mislynch me. My play there and here is the same.

Porkens if I'm scum with VP Baltar, he's an easier lynch. If I'm not scum with VP Baltar, as scum it's not pro-scum to not put him at L-1, unless you think I was trying to quickhammer. Is that what you think?

I don't make sense to you, but you still need to find what my strategy is if I'm scum. Otherwise I am just playing to my illogical rampage moniker.

[Albert B. Rampage]

still here, still prefer VPB but it's not like i'm super sold on Auro as town (or on VPB as scum for that matter) and i mostly just want this day to be over with.

You wanna end the day then put auro back at L-1 and sit back for his claim

[Albert B. Rampage]

Also you can come back to that tomorrow after auro is dead and say “ aw shucks I guess we should have lynched VP after all”

That's the same thing Auro said. You won't find me lining up lynches in my iso so your accusations are baseless. I think Auro flips scum and this is a last-ditch attempt to save him.

[Albert B. Rampage]

How is it pro town to not get a claim from someone you scumread when you have the chance?

How ironic. I'm trying to get Auro to claim right now and you are the one derailing.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Final reads?

[Albert B. Rampage]

That hammer was premature. I am not impressed with your performance Porkens.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Right that won’t be turned around on me at all as “shutting down further opportunity for information”. I’ve heard this song before and I’m not stressing it know why? Because scum has had complete control of this game for 20 pages and nobody gives a shit.

Auro: <3

You are clinically insane. That's literally not what happened.

[Albert B. Rampage]

That hammer was premature. I am not impressed with your performance Porkens.

There's always that risk you take when putting players at L-1, otherwise the value of it is lost, ABR.

That's the failure of strong arming L-1s on "pro players". While I'm a fan of the strategy, don't force them: make it happen via rhetoric. More difficult, but a helluva lot more useful.

Then claim at L-2. This is a large. You should have fought harder to live first of all, second of all claim before L-1, third of all push harder and post more substance. You are better than this.

[Albert B. Rampage]

I think MT is the scum.

[Albert B. Rampage]

you're playing with veterans who share a deliberate, analytical style, while you shitpost and theorycraft, what did you think was going to happen?

[Albert B. Rampage]

Ah yes he should've just "fought harder". His reaction seemed great to me. He fought really really hard where i would have just gotten demotivated in his place. He claimed just fine too

He fought in the last page and just as he was starting to look town and I was going to unvote, Porkens couldn't help himself and hammered while we had plenty of time left and players who hadn't checked in yet to weigh in on the claim. What the fuck.

[Albert B. Rampage]

you just have to take my word for it but I was about to unvote and Porkens dropped hammer so bad it should be illegal for town

[Albert B. Rampage]

you just have to take my word for it but I was about to unvote and Porkens dropped hammer so bad it should be illegal for town

He knows I’m town

I love to be scum against you, that's for sure. When you shoot us in the foot like this.

[Albert B. Rampage]

your previous vote for Auro was warranted too

Who do you guys prefer to lynch between Auro and VP?

I not only figured out 2 scum by page 22, I simultaneously got them both to L-1 competing against each other and blocked out town mislynch wagons like Starbuck.

I also jedi mind tricked scum to think I wasn't a threat and so they didn't choose to NK me.

I was so damn good that town were speculating that I had secret information.

I will go down as one of the greatest players to have ever played this game!

[Albert B. Rampage]

its ok reck ill hard carry

abr i dont think u have earned that ego tbh

Holy shit did you turn out to be DEAD WRONG.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Lol was expecting this post.

Actually you running us both up was a huge benefit to me. Gave me the chance to hard bus and put on the cruise control the rest of the game.

Dude, you guys got ROUTED. I pulled a no-mislynch scenario off for town Day 1 as a vanilla townie with no information at all. The odds of catching both scum by

page 22

on very precise, substantiated scum tells on you and auro that I explained and persuaded everyone to join me on, AND deciding to go for Auro first over you, was a stroke of genius.

My best play comes out during the day. I had solid townreads on half the player list, would've correctly went for farside day 2 even though I always try to give her rope early game, and.. what else can I say. Damn I'm that good I surprise even myself.

[Albert B. Rampage]

its ok reck ill hard carry

abr i dont think u have earned that ego tbh

Holy shit did you turn out to be DEAD WRONG.

nah kid, you're still only 10% as good as you think you are

I could not have played this game more perfectly than I did without fakeclaiming.

I was so good it looked to people like I either cheated, or I had mod confirmed information, which was debated about all the way until the last page of the game!

[Albert B. Rampage]

The power of my playstyle is the fact that nobody here gives me credit for tunneling on not one, but TWO scum, from PAGE TWENTY TWO, in a large game, which is hard enough on its own, but to successfully get the entire player list on board with NOT ONE, BUT BOTH of the scum, means I am VASTLY, VASTLY underestimated by the scum (and delusional peeps like Reckoner) who continue to let me go on a massive rampage to win town games, almost without contest, is brilliant in and of itself.

[Albert B. Rampage]

I caught VPB on page 12, I caught auro on page 14, and I had the town choose between one and the other by page 22. Hoopla, Llama and others helped me seal the deal in one of the fastest day 1s I've played in the last year.

The setup wasn't town-sided, we just outplayed by far. Reck did well at the end and the Gamma track was excellent.

[Albert B. Rampage]

I will go down as one of the greatest players to have ever played this game!

ABR sent me three pairs of potential scumpartners and all six of the people named were Town.

regression to the mean;)

i like abr's bombastic style - it's entertaining. but he can spare us the histrionics.

This was before I died, a flip would've certainly helped me figure the rest out. This is probably the best performance in mafia possible. The highest form of the art. VPB, Auro, Farside are no slouches, they're all good players.

[Albert B. Rampage]

I caught VPB on page 12, I caught auro on page 14, and I had the town choose between one and the other by page 22. Hoopla, Llama and others helped me seal the deal in one of the fastest day 1s I've played in the last year.

The setup wasn't town-sided, we just outplayed by far. Reck did well at the end and the Gamma track was excellent.

Whatever, you didn’t even want to eliminate VPB day 1 even though I told you how scummy he was, don’t try to front.

I set up a situation where one of them was going to be lynched no matter what, a blind monkey would have hammered scum. Your performance was OK.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Holy shit. I don't get a single well done or any respect, only insults for an epic Day 1 performance. You should all feel bad about yourselves for being ABR Greatness Deniers.

[Albert B. Rampage]

after a Mafierson died the previous Day 1

basically I set into motion a chain of events that confirmed Porkens, validated Starbuck, and fucked farside.

Without the laser accurate day 1 lynch, you remove the first domino that sets off every other event. This is the Ned Stark beheading that starts the entire ASOIAF saga. Without me, town is not in the position it finds itself in.

[Albert B. Rampage]

ya did good, ABR.

I don't get a single well done or any respect

You know I'm a fan. I thought your D1 was excellent play.

Thanks guys! I endeavor to please you, to make the town win, and to make Reckoner and the other non-believers appreciate my jaw-dropping, breathtaking strengths.

I'd like to hear Vi's thoughts on how killing the player with the most posts who hard carried Day 1, did more good for scum than their own lackluster pick!

[Albert B. Rampage]

Your performance was OK.

I’m genuinely touched, thank you for saying so.

At the end of the day you hammered scum, and that is praise-worthy in itself. Made for a more focused game.

[Albert B. Rampage]

List of the 3 greatest things to have happened this game:

1) Starbuck initiating a Porkens vs. Farside 1v1

This was a massive gambit, a fakeclaim really, that made this game a walk in the park for town. But it's so damn risky. It's like an 2008 ABR play: insightful, effective, and potentially blows up in your face and ruins the game once in a while. Incredible that this even happened. Farside was not on my radar at all until this claim, which is coincidentally exactly what it would have taken to lynch farside. Great timing. Not sure if completely ethical lol.

2) The track

Others touched on this. Bang on job. Single-handedly closed the game out.

3) Scum cross bussing Day 1

I feel like I created this scenario where scum were losing of two very good players. Events after Day 1 built on what I achieved, and although the least crazy curveball of the game, it set the tone and launched town odds of winning into the stratosphere. Bussing has unintended consequences. Mafia had really tough choices to make. I'm not over the fact that they didn't choose to NK me after I nailed two of them right off the bat.

[Albert B. Rampage]

me too

blair who's your top scum right now

I really don't have a firm case on anyone right now. ABR is being weird about Auro/VP, but I don't think weird is a valid tell for ABR. Starbuck still bothers me because I feel like she's peppered little barbs into her catch-up posts to try to reignite the 1v1 she claims was so terrible. I'm not really convinced Porkens' reaction to ABR was genuine townie outrage.

But if I had to day-vig someone and end the day right now? I'd probably go back to IAAU.

You know what?

VOTE: Albert B. Rampage

Porkens isn't the hero we deserve, but he's the hero we need right now.

BLAIR admit I am your mafia role model right now

[Albert B. Rampage]

BLAIR admit I am your mafia role model right now

You had a strong showing in this game.

Thank you. It is difficult to give me a compliment, I know. This game puts me at a 70% win rate in 21 games in the last 4 years, excluding the serial killer game.

I win 70% of the time since 2016. This is an insane stat, helped by a lot of good partners, who I would like to take the time to thank as well as my parents and Mith for paying the server bills for this site.

[Albert B. Rampage]

I win 70% of the time since 2016.

Don't be that guy.

70% win rate since 2015 in 42 games, I stand corrected, thank you.

Even better than I thought. My record speaks for itself, but it feels good to bring it to people's attention when they go out of their way to discredit you.

That 70% is meaningful because it is earned with a lot of bullshit losses to haters who vote on interpersonal out of game personality conflicts. It would probably be around 80% if I used an alt for each game and wasn't notorious for a confrontational disposition.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Curious to see the mafia Pat if it’s gonna be divulged at any point.

Yeah I def. would like to see that and the dead PT

And thanks to all of ya'll for getting the game together and playing/modding - I said earlier that this was one of the best playerlists I'd ever played with and I honestly don't know if I'll get the chance to play with this many great players in the same game again!

Agreed 100%. Only Vi could have assembled this many great players like Thanks brought together the infinity stones in Infinity War.

[Albert B. Rampage]

I haven't talked about my record in 10 years, the last time was when I went 7 for 7 and everyone memed about it. I was just updating the wiki today and 70% is a massive achievement for mafia. I'm like the Leonardo DiCaprio of mafia who comes out with hit after hit and never gets enough credit for an Oscar. It's not like I mentioned it before or tout it in every game. Maybe in my next MD article next week.

[Albert B. Rampage]

The MVP of this game was easily Gammagooey. Replaced in, remembered the Tarhalindur meta, was on the right side of the CLAP argument, and came up with the Tracking scheme that ultimately bagged the last Mafia.

agree with gammagooey for mvp. even without nailing the last scumbag, he played great and was a beacon of towniness throughout the game.

his predecessor in llamarble also was a great town influence. i wonder what happened to him? vi?

Yep. Whem Llama and you supported my action against scum, I knew this game would be in safe hands. Wonder what happened to him too, he played a great game and nailed scum early.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Could Vi have NK'd mafia or was it only town players targeted?

[Albert B. Rampage]

That was fantastic play and I think I called that out a few times, too.

Thanks! GG

[Albert B. Rampage]

Can't believe ABR nailed two scum on day 1 lmao. Could've gone very differently!

Yeah! Thanks for the props!