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Sure, I'll play along.In post 43, Grendel wrote:
I like it when people make Beowulf jokes. Do you not like people referencing your name in jokes?boring wrote:In post 36, Grendel wrote:@Boring You don't even have a witty one-liner to go with your vote... that's really...boring...
You say that like it's a bad thing.
QUESTIONS FOR EVERYBODY
1) What is your preferred alignment?
2) Are you often mislynched? If so, why is that?
3) Can you describe your play style concisely in one sentence?
4) If you were the deciding vote at lylo with the slot above you, and the slot below you, which player would you lynch and why? (Ex: 1 would be deciding between 13, and 2. 2 would be deciding between 1 and 3. 3 would decide between 2 and 4.)
5) How excited are you for this game?
What am I? Chopped liver?Gamma Emerald wrote:Nah Eager is lame, you're the one I want to see in action!
1.) Third party.
2.) No.
3.) No.
4.) No comment.
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I don't have any reads right now but I'm a little suspicious of Implosion.In post 155, eagerSnake wrote:LUV, they're trying to run you up to L-1 right now, if you could tell me which one of them is scum and which one is mislead town that'd be great.-
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Lead the way good sir.In post 157, PenguinPower wrote:
Do something...In post 154, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:How may I be of service?-
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For the same reason Gamma pointed out and is currently voting him for.In post 160, PenguinPower wrote:
Why?In post 158, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:
I don't have any reads right now but I'm a little suspicious of Implosion.In post 155, eagerSnake wrote:LUV, they're trying to run you up to L-1 right now, if you could tell me which one of them is scum and which one is mislead town that'd be great.-
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In post 166, Shadow_step wrote:Looks like LUV has been advised to play dumb and play newb like.
Needs death.
Why does it seem like you're implying I'm not paying attention to what's being said or done?In post 167, Zoronos wrote:
Playing completely absent annoys me, but something being annoying doesn't make it scum. But it also doesn't make me really want to jump in front of a train and yell "No this is wrong don't lynch it" and I really love doing that, so give me something to work with if this is your sincerely held belief.In post 164, Gamma Emerald wrote:Oh just the fact LUV did this last game I played with him.-
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That's exactly what absent means last time I checked. You seem upset. Are you having a bad day?In post 181, Zoronos wrote:
That's not what I said. I said you were absent. And I'd appreciate it if you'd stop; having no opinions or contributions of your own is frustrating.In post 178, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:In post 166, Shadow_step wrote:Looks like LUV has been advised to play dumb and play newb like.
Needs death.
Why does it seem like you're implying I'm not paying attention to what's being said or done?In post 167, Zoronos wrote:
Playing completely absent annoys me, but something being annoying doesn't make it scum. But it also doesn't make me really want to jump in front of a train and yell "No this is wrong don't lynch it" and I really love doing that, so give me something to work with if this is your sincerely held belief.In post 164, Gamma Emerald wrote:Oh just the fact LUV did this last game I played with him.-
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I'm sorry to hear that. I will keep you in my prayers.In post 190, Zoronos wrote:
Yes. I am having a real bad day.In post 186, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:
That's exactly what absent means last time I checked. You seem upset. Are you having a bad day?
Also that's not what absent means; for all I know you're reading the thread, stroking a beard and saying "Hmmm... yes, insightful" to each post then taking a puff on your old english pipe and making notes in a leather bound journal. But that's not making its way into the thread, and you're getting a lot of votes lined up on you for what is essentially "I don't like this slot's RVS vote and continued absence".
So, while I find absence annoying (because it means I can't get a useful read on your slot) I am not a fan of simply lynching it down. But I can't make a cogent argument that "Hey, this seems like a not great plan" without some reasoning to back it up beyond simply "Lets not lynch lurkers" because that will convince exactly nobody.
I assumed I'm being ran up on because of RVS silliness and that it would pass.
If I'm reading correctly, you want me to be a little more open with my thoughts. I can do that, but as I've said earlier, I don't have any reads. Everyone is in my neutral bucket right now. However, I'm working just as hard as I hope you are to get them.-
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I don't see how doing what Grendal asked makes me anti-town.In post 195, PenguinPower wrote:In post 193, Zoronos wrote:
Tell me more about this, because I've ignored his RQS answers. (I've ignored basically everyone's). Why are they scummy?In post 191, PenguinPower wrote:For me, it's not his RVS vote. It's his RQS answers.
Oh, and the continued absence thing - though that's really more of a continued non-contribution thing.
My last? (maybe two games ago?) game on these boards, about a year ago, I got burned lynching down someone who was aggressively non-contributory. It felt good but they were town, which was less good. So I am a bit skeptical of running that same play back.Spoiler: RQS Answers
"Sure, I'll play along" and then provides nothing. His only post of the game where he could have said anything, and it's "No; No; No comment" but I'm excited to play!
So...he knows that he's being anti-town with his play, yet he continues to do it. I'm not going to give him a pass based on his past behavior or for this crap:
And, it's offputting to me that GE is defending LUV as strongly as he is.Gamma Emerald wrote:It goes like this: one minute you're lynching a lurker, the next you're out a doctor.-
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Did a reread and the following are my thoughts on posts and actions that caught my interest.
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Snake claims a role. The role is Ascetic. Never heard of the role before but after doing a bit of research on it, it doesn't seem often used. If I'm understanding it correctly, I don't see a good reason to not to claim it right away. It's pretty useless for town and does nothing to help catch scum. It heavily favors scum as all tracker and cop actions will fail but also a negative because if you don't claim it right away, people will get suspicious if enough actions fail on you.
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Penguin feels RQS is a waste of time and says that RVS is better but doesn't give a reason why. I don't understand why he would mention this and not defend why his preferred method of getting the game going is better. For now, I'm going to make a note of this incase he decides to change his mind on answering Grendal's questions.
Implosion finds Zoro's first post awkward because it looks like scum who can't think of anything to say. What exactly are you suppose to say in RVS? Is there an unwritten code of ethics for RVS? In the same post he claims that Eager's claim pings him really hard but doesn't vote him. Why?
- The part he brings up about Snake now being a free night kill for scum shouldn't be a concern in my opinion because as long Snake maintains his current level activity, we should have information we can use that can help lead us to find and lynch scum if scum do choose to kill him
- I don't agree with his take on Zoro's reaction to the claim. The claim is NAI. I also feel the role a majority of people in general would find interesting.
- Splits his post for whatever reason, and I kinda feel weird now since I agree with part of the first part of the second half of his train of thoughts. Why not just come right out and ask the questions? Who wouldn't we be up for some questions to kick things off at this point in the game?
- Don't agree with the middle part of this post however, we have a claim that is NAI but he calls this claim and the RVS posts a goldmine. I don't see how we have anything substantial. We had up until this point Gamma and Zoro commenting how negative the role is and then a shit ton of more RVS stuff. Dodges voting for Snake at the end of this point by saying he has his reasons as if he knows more than anyone else at this point. Sure bud.
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nn's claims not being afraid to die is playing against your win con. I disagree, if you're town playing against your win con is actively choosing to not to scum hunt and if you're scum playing against your win con is not actively always trying to mislead the town. Not being afraid to die seems more of a personality trait. I say this because I'm the same way, at the end of the day this is just a game. If I die, I die. I hate losing as much as the next guy but I can live with myself if I know I tried my best and played to my win con.
Snake says nn is probably town and doesn't explain how or why.
Zoro really seems against RQS. I can understand why but at the same time I think he's making too big of a fuss about it. I don't sense an alternative motive from Grendal.
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As Gamma pointed out and what I originally caught my eye when I did my first reread since I just skimmed the first time, Implosion votes me without even having mentioned me at all. I think we are still in RVS at this point right now but after I did this reread, I get the sense that this a serious vote. Would like to know if he has a real reason for voting me is or is just blindly following
Penguin decides to answer Grendal's question after all. Says he doesn't want to feel left out. Why does he care about being left out?
Shadow says he doesn't care about Implosion as he along as Implosion helps him find scum. He seems very confident that Implosion can accomplish this task, I'm starting to wonder here if he knows something we all don't
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Snake explains what a gut read is and seems like he wants Shadow to explain his gut read on me. Shadow ignores this, I'm currently wondering why.
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Snake gives out another read and says Zoro is probably town. Doesn't say how he came to this conclusion.
Boring decides to vote for Zoro and gives an odd metaphor to explain her thoughts on him. Later explains it and it doesn't click with me. Zoro has had to be forced in a way to talk about his self because he has shown a strong dislike for RQS and has had to explained his reasoning for not participating. It's clear why he gave town points to Grendal, Implosion seems to find other players scummier than who is he voting for but refuses to vote for them. This is a good point to bring up and should be brought up until Implosion stops doing it. If I'm understanding the role correctly, I don't see how claiming the role right away is awful.
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More Boring talk in regards to Zoro. She talks as if the role that Snake claim is useful to town, in my opinion, it has no benefits to town so why act as if he can use this role in a way that would give town an advantage? I disagree in not needing a confirmed town Day 1. I think it's helpful and narrows down the pool of suspects and also makes a lot easier to form that town block Snake was talking about.
This is all I got for now but as always, I will take any questions.
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How can you have town read on those 3 if you know they're acting?In post 257, implosion wrote:Not really gonna read Grendel or LUV's thick posts for now. Loosely, townpile right now consists of {shadow, nn, pp, eager, zoronos, grendel}. Why yes, for the observant eye, that does include all three people I called scum on page 3.They all started acting townier.I think Gamma is a great vote right now:
-his switch to Zoronos makes very little sense when he's gotten nothing out of his vote on me, and it seems to contradict his apprehensiveness towards flashwagoning (even if his problem with my vote was that I didn't explain it, that still doesn't jive with either the fact that he implied that we were still in RVS as PP pointed out, or him using the word flashwagoning when describing it which implies that he thinks early wagons are bad).
-the reason I had for weakly townreading him early isn't actually any good (it was 22, which is no reason to townread him if eagerSnake is town).
-he's managed to say a lot without really saying a lot. It took him 30 posts to get to his first "serious vote" on me, almost all of which is non-content and really none of which gives any indication on what he's thinking about anything (he mentions "a few townreads" without naming any). He's clearly engaged in the game. He does a lot of clarifying things (linking the wiki, mentioning that I have half a wall to go). But he gives no content. Just a bunch of stuff which gives the illusion thereof, until he latches on to literally the easiest reason to vote someone. I really find it hard to believe that the first thing he found seriously scum-motivated was seeing me, an experienced player, dropping a vote on someone without giving any reasoning. Would Ireallydo something like that as scum but not as town? I'd hope he'd realize that there's no way I would do something like that as scum unless it's the kind of thing I'd do as town as well.
And I mean, come on:Gamma wrote:And it's not that I specifically townread LUV,
If it was a bad reason to vote him based on meta, you would have said such; you did not say that. You called him town. In quite the most explicit way possible. You don't just get to say X, and then go back and say no, when I said X I meant Y.In post 161, Gamma Emerald wrote:LUV is town
VOTE: Gamma-
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You keep implying this game will be easy. I seriously hope you have a backup plan for when I flip town.In post 270, Shadow_step wrote:Good this should be an easy game. I have a couple of town reads too.
Need to hear more from Slandaar/Maria/Diet to sort them out.-
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Do you actual have a case on boring or?In post 304, eagerSnake wrote:I mean I told you guys this a while ago-
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EBWOP: Do you have actually have a case on boring or?In post 308, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:
Do you actual have a case on boring or?In post 304, eagerSnake wrote:I mean I told you guys this a while ago-
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I should probably seriously pay attention to this game now. Falling quite behind.
I am pretty wary of Penguin, especially after how hypocritical he's been about Grendal's RQS. That alone though isn't a strong enough for me to jump on this wagon although I agree with a lot of what Diefire presented.
I don't think that fake hammer was set up honestly, it seems like Shadow honestly forgot and when realizing he did, he took it upon himself to say that he was setting it up. I also didn't think there was nothing to learn about the hammer or analyze it other than Maria's reaction. Which seems NAI to me.
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Hey bud.In post 444, PenguinPower wrote:His methodology is bad. Worse now that I know he's trying to form the entire scum team D1. If you're going to lynch me for that, let's quick lynch it and get it over with.
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I actually have some reads but before we get to that I'd like to just say that there's been a lot of talk about my play style mainly from Gamma and Grendal and I'd just like to say that I wasn't in the best place mentally during that game. I honestly had checked out way before I got ran up. Truth is, I don't know what's wrong with the way I play because I've never gotten mislynched before until I've played on here and even then, and so far, I haven't had my play read as lynch bait except the games I've been with you two.
Town: Diefire, Grendal, nn30, Zoro
Null: boring, Eager, Gamma, Maria, Prism
Scum - Penguin, Shadow
boring - While she does ask questions, she doesn't seem like she is actively trying to solve the game and her votes all seem like a stretch or too convenient. I don't know how to put my feelings about her into the words but I can't shake this vibe from her. I think it's mainly her vote on Zoro, which read more to me as nitpicking about inconsistencies rather than looking for scum.
Diefire - I liked every single one of his observations he's made so far and agree with almost all of them except the likelihood of Gamma and PP being a team. I'm not saying it's not a possibility, I just don't try to look for teams early on in the game and I like to focus on one person at a time once I feel 90% sure they're scum.
Eager - He's been very quiet ever since the claim and all he's been doing is throwing out town reads at awkward times without explaining them. He also seems to really have it out for boring for what I assume to be from things he's heard through the grapevine or their previous games together. For now, I'm not seeing what makes him so widely town read but he also hasn't done anything particularly scummy, just odd.
Gamma - Gamma strikes me as a good dude who's very eager to play mafia and seems to enjoy the game a ton. But, his defense or his use of meta in regards to my play has honestly gotten him into a bind here to the point where I wished he hadn't done it. He doesn't seem to have any bad intentions whenever I read the tone of his posts but I can't argue against the cases presented against him but for now, my gut says he isn't scum.
Grendal - Outside of the RQS, I've liked a lot of the questions he's asks and I think he's trying his hardest to understand the thoughts and motives behind what everyone is saying and doing. His fixation with Gamma is a little weird, but I understand that they're friends and feeling confident that you aren't being doped by a friend can definitely help go a long way into building that town block Snake was talking about.
Implosion - I'm still waiting for him to give his thoughts on me but for now I'm not sure what to think of him because while he's been the only player to have voted for me without mentioning why, I've really liked how he's defended himself and presenting his cases.
Maria - Very hard to read to me but that's mainly because I feel we play similar.
nn30 - Is actively poking and scum hunting. I like this guy a lot
Penguin - As I've stated earlier, I am pretty wary of Penguin, especially after how hypocritical he's been about Grendal's RQS. He harps on contributions but I don't see much from him other than relentless attacking for things that are very NAI such as those RQS and inactivity. Like his posts don't make me feel like I should be breaking my neck for this game.
Prism - Just subbed in. Nothing to go off of.
Shadow - Like Penguin, I don't get the sense that he's really contributing, he's very quick to just jump on things and doesn't really have sound reasoning for jumping on said things. At first I thought he was just a VI, but he keeps saying that this game is easy or it's almost solved, which baffles me and makes me uneasy.
Zoro - Outside of his strong dislike for RQS, I get a strong town vibe from him because he truly seems to believe what he stands for and what he's saying. I truly think he's only being scum read because his play is not seen as someone who has to adjust to the way the site plays now.-
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Never called you a VI, I thought you was one though. Why so angry?In post 524, Shadow_step wrote:Calling me a VI? Okay that is just bullshit.
Esp since you have no idea with am I talking about.
And you're right, I don't know what you're talking about, but no one else does either. Mind sharing what knowledge you may or may not have to determine how you're finding this game easier then the rest of us?-
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Why?In post 567, eagerSnake wrote:
You guys should be voting someone... you can't say you findIn post 550, podoboq wrote:Not Voting (5): Zoronos, Slandaar, Lil Uzi Vert, Grendel, MariaRnothingsuspicious so far-
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Take a guess.In post 568, eagerSnake wrote:Zoronos, Slandaar, Lil Uzi Vert, Grendel, MariaR
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I think I'm going to cast a vote after this post. I'm almost caught up.In post 581, eagerSnake wrote:
Because only scum findIn post 576, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:
Why?In post 567, eagerSnake wrote:
You guys should be voting someone... you can't say you findIn post 550, podoboq wrote:Not Voting (5): Zoronos, Slandaar, Lil Uzi Vert, Grendel, MariaRnothingsuspicious so farno-onesuspicious
Seriously, vote.
I didn't bother to give reads at the time because I had just gave reads like two pages ago.In post 585, PenguinPower wrote:
Why don't you tell us.In post 577, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:
Take a guess.In post 568, eagerSnake wrote:Zoronos, Slandaar, Lil Uzi Vert, Grendel, MariaR
Who do you think is suspicious and why (2 points)
I'm not too confident in the Gamma wagon and I hate to say it but it's mainly because of meta, Gamma played exactly like this as town in the game me and him were in and again, I don't read any bad intentions with his posts, just awkwardness. The Penguin wagon is where I definitely feel I should hop on to, for reasons that were brought up, some of which were even restated by me.In post 604, Grendel wrote:VOTE: Penguin
I'm back on Penguin. Not feeling enough conviction for a Gamma lynch, mainly because many reasons I'd normally scum read somebody are not effective for reading him. While things like him using my own case against Penguin bothered me, I've seen him sheep other peoples cases as town with out a shred of original thought. Him struggling to explain his read on me beyond a previous game also bugs me, but Gamma generally seems to struggle with explaining himself, which is mostly likely why he endorses what others say as his own. While Penguin gave me some town vibes with his reactions that's all I saw coming from his slot that hit my town radar.
The way that Dier has been posting has been weirding me out a bit. I know that I'm Ob!town to some people who know me well enough, and that I may have instigated it further by my friendly attitude towards him, but Deir is being very defensive of me. I can't tell which fractional intent this is more likely to come from. If we were strangers I'd say its kinda scummy, but we aren't so...
@LUVLets chat a bit:
How do you feel about the two leading wagons, as well as the individuals on them?
And if this were EoD which wagon would you join?
In this hypothetical situation where would you look next if the one you picked flipped scum? if they flipped town?
I want you to take more active stances. Your note taking, and your otherwise low key posting is not helping me get a hold on your alignment friend.
I think Implosion and nn30 are town, Penguin is scum.
I think you and Diefire are town, and boring I have as null.
If Gamma flipped scum I would probably reconsider my reads on everyone.
If Gamma flipped town I would look at boring, Diefire and Implosion.
If Penguin flipped scum, I would look at Implosion and Shadow.
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Well this is interesting, a part of me can't help but feel this is all a big distraction to take the heat off of someone.
It seems impossible for this to occur in a normal game, it just puts town at such a disadvantage. The problem is who to believe. Snake's timing of his claim makes a lot of sense regardless alignment. Shadow's claim only makes sense if he's town but doesn't make sense if he's scum. The timing though of his claim is just odd though, which leads me to believe that one of the two are lying.-
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I figured you were doing the latter but it currently doesn't seem like you're going to get anywhere talking to Snake when he's like this so I think looking elsewhere might be our best bet.In post 785, Zoronos wrote:
I don't know. Basically my reads list got turned on its head by this, and I'm trying to parse out what I think about it. Like I wrote above, I can see some common threads of SS actually doing what he claimed, which means he either planned a fake counterclaim well in advance (I guess ascetic mafia, but why out that on D1, that's a win-at-LYLO gamble play) or he's at least somewhat legit.In post 777, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:Who do you think Snake should be voting for Zoro?
So, I'm weighing which of the following two statements is more likely:
1) We have two town Ascetics who are counterclaiming eachother D1, and I should be looking off the wagons to see who is whipping up FUD and / or for people that come down quickly on 'I believe X about Y' and are looking to them flip around on X after Y flips town for the double mislynch.
2) We have a legit scum vs town counterclaim, and I need to figure out which side has the town on it.
Like I said just above here, I can see the logical thread from SS being skeptical about Eager's claim and posting, so investigating Eager's thought processes and opinions is the order of the day.
Like it's very obvious that Snake doesn't have a real reason or won't share it with anyone until he's confident he can sell his case.-
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Why do you seem concerned about being scum read?In post 799, MariaR wrote:
What do you sr me for.In post 797, Prism wrote:I have way, way too many scumreads right now: Implosion, boring, LUV, MariaR, Eager, and nn30. Of the bunch, I'd probably say Maria and boring are the ones least likely to be correct.
nn30's last 10 pages have been a trainwreck. He scumread Implosion, said:
but dropped the ball entirely with the followup. I scumread Implosion, explained why, and called for more votes on him-one would imagine nn30 at least taking an interest in one of his top suspects. Instead nn30 didn't even read my post explaining my reads or who I wanted, even when prodded to do so. He never had an interest in who I wanted instead of Gamma/Penguin to begin with, and even less so after the top one was Implosion. Latching onto Gamma and now Shadow and launching all kinds of shit to see what sticks is not a town approach to the game whatsoever. His #690 is noticeably about volume in casework over quality and he admits it. Does anyone here seriously think that Shadow wants to get into a 1v1 Day 1 as scum in a game where town has minimum 2 mislynches? FinallyIn post 319, nn30 wrote:I'm still wary of implosion. Since I'm not getting any traction with him at the moment, I'll drop it and see if I have anything to contribute to the other wagons occurring right now.
is a trademark scum post.In post 709, nn30 wrote:I'm the most obv town player here.
Moving on, I think either Eager is mafia or they're both town. Eager is playing this exactly how he should as scum, because there's really no way for him to come out of this alive unless he convinces everyone they're both town. I believe he's ascetic-I don't buy so much that he's a town one. Implosion being one of the ones pushing that eager isn't mafia for it really doesn't ease my mind.
In the meantime, Implosion, would you like to respond to my #591 and #599?
Right now, my vote on Implosion stays, I'd be willing to switch to nn30 if people would stop assuming the guy was town for no reason.-
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Yeah I'm actually in agreement with Shadow here, if you guys can show at least two to three examples of that happening in a mini, that would go a long way into putting this to bed for now. Since from my understanding, both Implosion and Snake are implying that the average player on this site would be to able to play optimally in such a setup.-
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I'm trying to figure you out hun.In post 827, MariaR wrote:
Why do you care?In post 804, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:
Why do you seem concerned about being scum read?In post 799, MariaR wrote:
What do you sr me for.In post 797, Prism wrote:I have way, way too many scumreads right now: Implosion, boring, LUV, MariaR, Eager, and nn30. Of the bunch, I'd probably say Maria and boring are the ones least likely to be correct.
nn30's last 10 pages have been a trainwreck. He scumread Implosion, said:
but dropped the ball entirely with the followup. I scumread Implosion, explained why, and called for more votes on him-one would imagine nn30 at least taking an interest in one of his top suspects. Instead nn30 didn't even read my post explaining my reads or who I wanted, even when prodded to do so. He never had an interest in who I wanted instead of Gamma/Penguin to begin with, and even less so after the top one was Implosion. Latching onto Gamma and now Shadow and launching all kinds of shit to see what sticks is not a town approach to the game whatsoever. His #690 is noticeably about volume in casework over quality and he admits it. Does anyone here seriously think that Shadow wants to get into a 1v1 Day 1 as scum in a game where town has minimum 2 mislynches? FinallyIn post 319, nn30 wrote:I'm still wary of implosion. Since I'm not getting any traction with him at the moment, I'll drop it and see if I have anything to contribute to the other wagons occurring right now.
is a trademark scum post.In post 709, nn30 wrote:I'm the most obv town player here.
Moving on, I think either Eager is mafia or they're both town. Eager is playing this exactly how he should as scum, because there's really no way for him to come out of this alive unless he convinces everyone they're both town. I believe he's ascetic-I don't buy so much that he's a town one. Implosion being one of the ones pushing that eager isn't mafia for it really doesn't ease my mind.
In the meantime, Implosion, would you like to respond to my #591 and #599?
Right now, my vote on Implosion stays, I'd be willing to switch to nn30 if people would stop assuming the guy was town for no reason.-
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It seemed implied and either way, I never said that was my reason for voting for you.In post 906, Shadow_step wrote:Jeeeez this is terrible. When did I say all my reads are based in Eager's interactions with them?
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I think you're gambling scum who failed to plan out a distraction.In post 921, Shadow_step wrote:
Then what is the reason Sherlock?In post 916, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:
It seemed implied and either way, I never said that was my reason for voting for you.In post 906, Shadow_step wrote:Jeeeez this is terrible. When did I say all my reads are based in Eager's interactions with them?
Did you iso me? You think I'm scum and ccing eager under no pressure when I didn't need to ?-
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GE and PP. Their wagons were small but there were various players discussing the cases presented against both in great detail and length. There was pressure for both players to explain their actions and things they've said. It was understood that we would be lynching Gamma or Penguin today. Discussion was happening and it was discussion that would lead to finding scum regardless of how either flipped.In post 936, nn30 wrote:
If this is true, what was he distracting from with the CC?In post 928, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:
I think you're gambling scum who failed to plan out a distraction.In post 921, Shadow_step wrote:
Then what is the reason Sherlock?In post 916, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:
It seemed implied and either way, I never said that was my reason for voting for you.In post 906, Shadow_step wrote:Jeeeez this is terrible. When did I say all my reads are based in Eager's interactions with them?
Did you iso me? You think I'm scum and ccing eager under no pressure when I didn't need to ?
My best guesses are PP and GE - since they both had (small) wagons on them when Shadow CC'd.
But... that wasn't enough pressure to do much.
What are your thoughts? What was scum!Shadow's goal with CCing?
I'm not entirely sure what his goal is other than to remove suspicion from one of Gamma and Penguin, maybe potentially even both. Either that or he read Snake as being a potential threat and he's willing to gamble in order to get rid of him.-
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You're the one that's terrible my friend. The only case you have on Eager is that you cannot fathom that both you and him were given the same role. You either refuse or won't take into consideration a town motive for lying. If Eager had not claimed, your read on him would be null. You have no backup plan if he flips town and if he flips scum, it's an excuse to push on anyone who defended him or didn't vote for him.In post 959, Shadow_step wrote:
Jesus Christ, stop playing you're fucking terrible. Gambiting mafia lmaoIn post 928, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:
I think you're gambling scum who failed to plan out a distraction.In post 921, Shadow_step wrote:
Then what is the reason Sherlock?In post 916, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:
It seemed implied and either way, I never said that was my reason for voting for you.In post 906, Shadow_step wrote:Jeeeez this is terrible. When did I say all my reads are based in Eager's interactions with them?
Did you iso me? You think I'm scum and ccing eager under no pressure when I didn't need to ?-
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I already touched on it earlier and while I don't town read her I don't find the cases against her very strong. She's basically being scum read for people viewing the tone of her posts as happy about the conflict between Shadow and a Snake yet there is no evidence to show that she is. People also seem to forget that she wasn't fond of Snake's play this game and probably had a slight town read on him so her voting for him shouldn't be that surprising.In post 1337, Prism wrote:@DierfireI promised to review it awhile back but yeah, it's been pretty low priority. I'll get to it when I have time if it's still relevant.In post 1303, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:I still don't buy the case on boring, well I don't buy it enough to believe she's the correct lynch for today.@LUV:Can you explain in your own words, ie. minimal "I agree with X" even if it's true, what's wrong with the case on boring?-
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Why?In post 1356, MariaR wrote:When eager flips town I am power tunneling Dierfire into the ground-
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EBWOPIn post 1385, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:To me it still reads like Shadow made it look premeditated. The timing is too convenient for me.-
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I'm saying that Shadow made it look like he intended to counterclaim Snake and that when he did counterclaim, it conveniently was at time where there were some serious discussion and debate going on about the wagons on Gamma and Penguin.In post 1389, nn30 wrote:
Uhh... Please clarify what exactly you mean by these two sentences. I'm not getting it.In post 1385, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:To me it still reads like Shadow made look premeditated. The timing is too convenient for me.-
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Nah I had actually was the first one who stated it was possible distraction.
The reason I don't think this was planned out is because the way he tunneled me early on the game but had no plan on who to target next when I flip, the way he constantly kept mentioning it'll be easy game, and the fact that he didn't really learn anything from Snake claiming early on.
I bring up the latter two because now that I know what he was referring to, if he's town, I don't see how he feels the game got easier for town by counterclaiming. It got a lot more confusing and has ultimately led us nowhere seeing as both wagons are starting to fade a bit now. Problem is we still have to address the counterclaim due to the majority of us feeling it is very unlikely of two players receiving a role like Ascetic in a mini normal. If he's scum though, he successfully turn the majority of Day 1 into a 1v1 showdown and buys his team two nights since he will most likely be lynched Day 2 if Snake flips scum. This doesn't read as too much of a gamble to me depending on who his partners are. It buys the scum team enough time to figure out who to kill and blend in even more.
The second part of the latter is, you state that you were planning this from the beginning but come up empty with little to no information. A counter claim such as this I would think someone would at least compile a lot more data in order to convince the town that you're right.
My point is in short is that he's not thinking about anything he does and is just running with plans without any end goal in sight. This strikes me as a clueless gambling sort of type.
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You're not taking into the account that he had a gut read on me he could not explain, called me out for naked voting, and actually was serious about it even when people tried to point it out to him that it was RVS and it means nothing. He seemed very serious about wanting to lynch me.In post 1411, Dierfire wrote:@Lil Uzi Vert
I think that you are mistaken to suggest that Shadow_step was "tunneling" you early in the game. I assume that you're referring to things like 125 and 166, and the fact that he left his RVS vote on you. I wouldn't read too much into those things; his lines of questioning suggest that his focus was much more strongly on eagerSnake after the claim (122, 168, 263, 280, 296).
I also think that it is incorrect to suggest that Shadow_step came up with "little to no information" by waiting, or that he had insufficient information to proceed. You may have missed this post:
In post 739, Shadow_step wrote:I got townreads. I'm almost 100% sure that boring is town because of your interactions.
And that these shouldn't be bothered at night by PRs[zoronos, nn, grendel, boring]
Actually I'd even go as far as saying that DF is town. But that is a meta read so meh
I'm not talking about that reads list, I'm talking about the one that followed after he counterclaimed.-
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We still had another week. Plenty of time was left but if you saw Snake coasting, why didn't you call him out on it and try to encourage him to interact with others? Why didn't you build another case against him before dropping this one that you seem to have felt was going to be enough to hammer him and win us the game?In post 1430, Shadow_step wrote:1. I was going to claim day 1 anyway cause of my role.
2. I wanted to give us enough time to discuss it.
3. Waiting any longer was pointless because there wasn't much progress over the last 7 days, snake was clearly coasting and wasn't going to have any real damning interactions with anyone.-
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Somewhat yeah.In post 1431, MariaR wrote:These last 4 pages are trash-
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Maybe I've gone too far into the deep end due to the games I've been reading on here. I've seen scum attempt some crazy things and I'm always in the belief that anything is possible. So much that with the experience Snake seems to possess, I think he asked for a no lynch as sort of reaction test to see who would immediately jump on it to reveal who really is impatient and wants to end the day. Of course, he could have possibly been advocating for no a lynch and I can't rule that out in the slightest and just the thought alone doesn't sit well with me.
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As for my popping in and out I'm not really sure what to say. I don't buy the case on boring and I was for Shadow over Snake as all of you know. I wanted to push Maria and Penguin more but we've long moved pass those ideas and/or wagons so I'm sort of left just here on the sidelines until we get some flips.-
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