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I'm gonna try to keep any flavor text in areas like this. If direct game talk that doesn't involve butt stuff or fursuits makes you soft, you can just skip over the parts that aren't in areas.
This is my first time playing in a while. I've been moderating games recently, so it's exciting to finally get back to the fun part.eagerSnake - "Fwiw mod steals pagetops while driving. Still think they wouldn't put in 2 people with ascetic?"-
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Don't kink-shame me.In post 29, God of Power Outlets wrote:Please note, Gravy is not a Kink that appears in this game.eagerSnake - "Fwiw mod steals pagetops while driving. Still think they wouldn't put in 2 people with ascetic?"-
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Don't threaten me with a good time.In post 33, Gorkington wrote:
i have a turkey baster with your name written on it if you start acting town.In post 30, podoboq wrote:Don't kink-shame me.eagerSnake - "Fwiw mod steals pagetops while driving. Still think they wouldn't put in 2 people with ascetic?"-
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Alright, I'm home. Thoughts:
Scum can't possibly have any compatible pairings within themselves, because if they did, they'd just auto-win by pairing with eachother every day. That means that NO pairings can possibly be scum/scum. So that will provide us with conf-town in future days, as if we ever flip scum, any of their previous pairings are conf-town.
We shouldn't mass-claim our kinks/turn-offs, especially since only one-side needs to be compatible. If we get down to coupling failed people, we can have people within that group claim either their kinks or turn-offs in order to confirm a successful coupling, but it shouldn't be done with no forethought or super early.
One thing I sometimes do in the party game version of Werewolf is a lynch by Tribunal. What we do is select (sometimes randomly) a person who is safe. That person then saves another one person, and so-forth. The last person left is eliminated. It can be useful day-one for town, because it forces players to out reads, and usually forces scum into a position where they have to pick each other to be safe. It outs a lot of information. The orgy mechanic seems incredibly similar, with enough twists to make it hard for us to use without a lot of forethought. All In seems to be thinking something similar:
So Player A pairs with Player B, then whether or not it fails, Player B chooses a Player C, who then chooses who they pair with. Etc, until one player is left alone. If any coupling fails, the person who they attempt to couple recouples instead of giving another player the choice. At the end, players attempt to couple again, making sure to share turn-offs or kinks in order to make sure their coupling is successful. Players selected earliest in the first phase get first pick here as well. I like this as a way to remove some of the power from scum. They're forced to play by town's rules, because breaking our sequence by attempting to couple without permission is tantamount to a scumclaim.In post 56, All In wrote:I was thinking we might "elect" a townread who then gets to select someone of their choice to partner up with. The partner then selects someone for the second pair and so on until only one person is left.
I want opinions on this.eagerSnake - "Fwiw mod steals pagetops while driving. Still think they wouldn't put in 2 people with ascetic?"-
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In post 122, dramonic wrote:I need to determine wether you didn't think this through or you're scum trying to shaft us.I want opinions on this.
I want to hear the arguments against this. You can argue with me in our neighborhood, but I would like to see town weigh in on WHY they like/dislike this.eagerSnake - "Fwiw mod steals pagetops while driving. Still think they wouldn't put in 2 people with ascetic?"-
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Trying to answer this question in our PT. Not ready to divulge my thoughts on this in public yet.In post 124, dramonic wrote:Except we don't have a lynch or night actions so whatcha gonna do when they scumclaim, waddle your finger at them?
In other words, come back to bed (our PT) honey.eagerSnake - "Fwiw mod steals pagetops while driving. Still think they wouldn't put in 2 people with ascetic?"-
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In post 131, shos wrote:but couldn't there also be some night actions that can eliminate scum, and as such make it possible.?
Seems like everyone is essentially vanilla, but with different sets of kinks / turn-offs. I doubt anyone has any night actions.In post 0, God of Power Outlets wrote:Scum will name a player to be killed, and the night phase will be resolved immediately. Dawn will begin.eagerSnake - "Fwiw mod steals pagetops while driving. Still think they wouldn't put in 2 people with ascetic?"-
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He wants that Toon Link boy pussy.Last edited by God of Power Outlets on Mon Feb 13, 2017 5:57 pm, edited 1 time in total.eagerSnake - "Fwiw mod steals pagetops while driving. Still think they wouldn't put in 2 people with ascetic?"-
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I totally remembered reading that, then went to find it and expected it to be in the "game-specific" part of the rules, couldn't find it, and assumed I was misremembering it. Whoops.In post 136, dramonic wrote:
I maintain my point about you guys not reading =_=In post 0, God of Power Outlets wrote:RULES:
7. There are no night actions. Factional abilities may be decided in the appropriate PT.eagerSnake - "Fwiw mod steals pagetops while driving. Still think they wouldn't put in 2 people with ascetic?"-
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I played with dramonic before, had exactly this perspective, and was stone wrong the entire game because of it. It was Musical Mafia. Happy to link you to relevant things in there if you don't want to read through the game yourself (but right now I'm too lazy).In post 159, nn30 wrote:So far I like Dramonic for scum. His contribution to the game has been "your idea sucks, and your idea sucks too." He gives 0 reasons and 0 suggestions. Sniping at other people's strategies is an easy way to break up town getting their shit together as well as an easy way to fake content.eagerSnake - "Fwiw mod steals pagetops while driving. Still think they wouldn't put in 2 people with ascetic?"-
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Yes. Unfortunately, most of my reads are generally bad unless inspired by setup spec, and I don't want to air-out my setup spec yet.In post 166, Gorkington wrote:podo you have reads other than dram?
Leaving the dirty talk in the bedroom for now.eagerSnake - "Fwiw mod steals pagetops while driving. Still think they wouldn't put in 2 people with ascetic?"-
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BAD READS: (without setup speculation)In post 168, Gorkington wrote:can you share your bad reads anyway.
TOWN:
dramonic: He's playing exactly like he was in Musical Mafia, and despite snapping me up as a lover, he's not attempting to buddy me. He's insulting my bad ideas to my face.
Gorkington: I town read a lot of activity and scumread inactivity. It's a fault of my game. That said, I like that Gorkington is trying to engage people.
DrippingGoofBall: Played with her once before, in Overwatch Mafia. I was scum, and killed her night one. Her reads are good, and to my knowledge, she's a good enough player not to "Thank god I'm town. " as scum in her first post of the game.
All In: I like his attempt to participate. Bad ideas are more valuable than no ideas.
shos: Good reads.
ABSOLUTE NULL: Everybody else.
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ThinkBig: I think he's more interested in self-preservation and appearing to be doing something, but basically all I've seen him do is attempt to couple somebody in the first post of the game, then remind Fresh that he can couple him.
Fresh: (Unlikely scum w/ ThinkBig) Invites people to couple him, but isn't actually talking about any other part of the game except to express a poor read.eagerSnake - "Fwiw mod steals pagetops while driving. Still think they wouldn't put in 2 people with ascetic?"-
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I think ThinkBig is scummy for trying to bait Fresh into coupling him. If they were both scum, that wouldn't be an option (I assume), and talking about it detracts from either of their chances of getting attention somewhere else.In post 170, Gorkington wrote:can you talk at me about why fresh/thinkbig partners doesnt seem likely to you?eagerSnake - "Fwiw mod steals pagetops while driving. Still think they wouldn't put in 2 people with ascetic?"-
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Most of what I have on you is setup related. Stay tuned.In post 171, RachMarie wrote:no read on me pod?
I think the reads you shared in 117 were good.eagerSnake - "Fwiw mod steals pagetops while driving. Still think they wouldn't put in 2 people with ascetic?"-
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In post 174, Gorkington wrote:pretty worried that this setup is broken though. :/
Your god has spoken.In post 0, God of Power Outlets wrote:This game is HILARIOUSLY balanced...maybe. Just assume it is.eagerSnake - "Fwiw mod steals pagetops while driving. Still think they wouldn't put in 2 people with ascetic?"-
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If scum can pair within themselves, then at the very least they can force a draw, since they can never be "lynched" and I assume their night-kill is non-mandatory.In post 178, MagnaofIllusion wrote:
And here is my first scum read for piss-poor mechanical assessment of the set-up.In post 121, podoboq wrote:Scum can't possibly have any compatible pairings within themselves, because if they did, they'd just auto-win by pairing with eachother every day.eagerSnake - "Fwiw mod steals pagetops while driving. Still think they wouldn't put in 2 people with ascetic?"-
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Will the lover of this night-kill not ALSO die (regardless of whether or not they were made permanent)? They're lovers until the next day, right?In post 0, God of Power Outlets wrote:Scum will name a player to be killed, and the night phase will be resolved immediately. Dawn will begin.eagerSnake - "Fwiw mod steals pagetops while driving. Still think they wouldn't put in 2 people with ascetic?"-
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In post 178, MagnaofIllusion wrote:And for 165 which is weak use of meta and feels like scum knowing Dram is town and looking for an easy reason to call him that.In post 169, podoboq wrote:dramonic: He's playing exactly like he was in Musical Mafia, and despite snapping me up as a lover, he's not attempting to buddy me. He's insulting my bad ideas to my face.eagerSnake - "Fwiw mod steals pagetops while driving. Still think they wouldn't put in 2 people with ascetic?"-
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Pronoun game. Does "he" equal ThinkBig or MagnaofIllusion?In post 205, Gorkington wrote:heseagerSnake - "Fwiw mod steals pagetops while driving. Still think they wouldn't put in 2 people with ascetic?"-
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I assumed, but ambiguity is ambiguity.In post 207, Gorkington wrote:thinkbig. i think that should be pretty clear with the context?eagerSnake - "Fwiw mod steals pagetops while driving. Still think they wouldn't put in 2 people with ascetic?"-
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^^^^^^^^
I like this guyeagerSnake - "Fwiw mod steals pagetops while driving. Still think they wouldn't put in 2 people with ascetic?"-
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Sorry man, I was taken up by dramonic already. If I could invite you into our palace of pleasure I would.In post 230, KuroiXHF wrote:Obviously not enough to buy me a twelve piece at Popeyes and a night of making me think that you're a Brazilian Spider Monkey.
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That isn't a person
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Don't know what to tell you man, I just really hate lurkers. As evidence, I'd like to point you to all of my games on mafiascum, including the one I just finished moderating in which three players had to be replaced due to inactivity. Players like SnarkySnowman make me not want to play mafia, and if we had the ability to lynch him, I'd probably be arguing to policy lynch him.In post 273, MagnaofIllusion wrote:The only think giving me reservations is that Podo is quick to buddy up to him and Podo is still in my pool of scum.
If you think me cheering for the guy reaming Snarky is an attempt to buddy him, you just don't know the extent to which I despise lurkers. I'm happy to see someone else say something for once.eagerSnake - "Fwiw mod steals pagetops while driving. Still think they wouldn't put in 2 people with ascetic?"-
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In post 281, KuroiXHF wrote:Losing this game or being the catcher, not the pitcher.
This is a tough choice.Only pansies are afraid to bottom. Grow some balls and let Rach peg your brains out.eagerSnake - "Fwiw mod steals pagetops while driving. Still think they wouldn't put in 2 people with ascetic?"-
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In post 307, MagnaofIllusion wrote:So your response has no Town value. Which is why I question even making it if you are Town.
Maybe it has personal value to you but frankly I don’t care about that any more than you care about my huge distaste for shit-posting and the absolute bane that playstyle is to MS.Spoiler: Things unrelated to the gameeagerSnake - "Fwiw mod steals pagetops while driving. Still think they wouldn't put in 2 people with ascetic?"-
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I think the series of stranded players should be claiming something, yes. Not yet, but before an attempt to recouple at the end of the day.In post 321, Fresh wrote:Too early to start a claim game don't you think?
Also, Fresh's recent posting looks way townier. Moved out of my scum pool.eagerSnake - "Fwiw mod steals pagetops while driving. Still think they wouldn't put in 2 people with ascetic?"-
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Some men have vaginas.In post 335, KuroiXHF wrote:
FreshIn post 332, Fresh wrote:Or if you really really wanna talk to me...my vagina is available.
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For MoI's sanity, this post is not an attempt to buddy anybody. It has no intended game impact.eagerSnake - "Fwiw mod steals pagetops while driving. Still think they wouldn't put in 2 people with ascetic?"-
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Wow,In post 380, DrippingGoofball wrote:Guys I got the call
I'm getting a kidney transplant tomorrow
So... VLA for 3-4 days I guess?
Wear condoms and don't catch STDs while I'm goneCONGRATULATIONS!!
Real life is more important than this bullshit. Take all the time you need and be healthy!eagerSnake - "Fwiw mod steals pagetops while driving. Still think they wouldn't put in 2 people with ascetic?"-
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Magna town.
Snarky probable town. I think trying to kick into gear all of a sudden is strange, but not necessarily indicative of scum. I think her response to Kuroi is kind of on the town side, and I think her attempt to get with Rach is towny.
Kuroi is a scumlean for me now. Shitty interactions with people. Setting the bar too high for Snarky. I don't like how he's dealing with Magna, and I want to reread it when there's a little more content there and I have the attention span to read it in full, but it looks TvS, and I'm liking Magna. Also, including yourself in a list of people who you townread is fucky.eagerSnake - "Fwiw mod steals pagetops while driving. Still think they wouldn't put in 2 people with ascetic?"-
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I've played with Snarky before also, but whatever, I'll extend some benefit of the doubt on your interactions with Snarky. Will focus in on you v Magna at some point.In post 384, KuroiXHF wrote:podoboq, this is my first game with you, but you're going to have to trust me about Snarky. We have history.eagerSnake - "Fwiw mod steals pagetops while driving. Still think they wouldn't put in 2 people with ascetic?"-
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I am one of these people too. I'm just trying to work on not scum reading people for stuff I dislike which isn't inherently scummy.In post 387, SnarkySnowman wrote:podoboq, some players like Kuroi / MoI don't like that I don't talk much in games, so if I don't post like 5 or 6 times every page they get mad at me for not posting enougheagerSnake - "Fwiw mod steals pagetops while driving. Still think they wouldn't put in 2 people with ascetic?"-
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This 100%. I'm cool with cucking Kuroi today.In post 410, MagnaofIllusion wrote:Not buying this in the least. Anyone who has played any amount of games with Snarky knows that he’s “Neutral Useless” as any alignment. The fact that you are seem to be scum-reading him for every action he is taking is suspect and looks like you’ve found that “safe” scum read to pressure.
Motion to start saying cuck instead of lynch since we're leaving them out of sexy times.eagerSnake - "Fwiw mod steals pagetops while driving. Still think they wouldn't put in 2 people with ascetic?"-
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proddodge. Gonna post some stuff in a few, I guess.eagerSnake - "Fwiw mod steals pagetops while driving. Still think they wouldn't put in 2 people with ascetic?"-
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Sidenote: the only reason I'm OK with Jaqen's way of typing is because I'm giving him the benefit of the doubt that he might not be a native English speaker, and this is somehow an easier way for him to approach the language.
Or maybe he is a native English speaker, and just really annoying.eagerSnake - "Fwiw mod steals pagetops while driving. Still think they wouldn't put in 2 people with ascetic?"-
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I don't see myself getting with him regardless.In post 462, Gorkington wrote:its a gimmick alt.eagerSnake - "Fwiw mod steals pagetops while driving. Still think they wouldn't put in 2 people with ascetic?"-
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This seems plausible, but it seems like bad play to withhold this until four people have failed on you, then just reveal the information on day one anyway. Like, if you're going to end up claiming this anyway, you might as well start day one early with "Hey guys, nobody try to hook up with me. Details later."In post 454, RachMarie wrote:Lets see if this works. It should since I have no hangups.eagerSnake - "Fwiw mod steals pagetops while driving. Still think they wouldn't put in 2 people with ascetic?"-
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In all fairness, mafia is a game about semantics and language, and you're insisting on destroying our standards of semantics and language. It makes it annoying to try to read.In post 496, Jaqen Hghar wrote:
Really? This one is throwing poo on a man's game again just because you wish to not read in the second person?In post 492, dramonic wrote:That request from Jaqen without preparing the second round does show us what a quality player he is though.eagerSnake - "Fwiw mod steals pagetops while driving. Still think they wouldn't put in 2 people with ascetic?"-
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This pings me really hard. Particularly, the "I have to play to win," reads LAMIST as fuck.In post 502, KuroiXHF wrote:I scum read both Snarky and ThinkBig, but I think I'm just more pissed off at Snarky for being in this game when I told her I don't want to play with her, and I have to play to win.eagerSnake - "Fwiw mod steals pagetops while driving. Still think they wouldn't put in 2 people with ascetic?"-
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Found scum. Thanks for claiming.In post 546, KuroiXHF wrote:Actually, I have no idea why I was even contemplating listening to MoI.
He's blowing over every fucking post I have anyways.
Get kinky with SnarkyeagerSnake - "Fwiw mod steals pagetops while driving. Still think they wouldn't put in 2 people with ascetic?"-
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Part of me wants the power to offer my dick to Snarky so that he doesn't feel like he has to accept Kuroi. Failing that, yeah, hit me up.
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SnarkySnowman, if you say no to Kuroi, I will offer you my dick so you don't have to worry about being alone.eagerSnake - "Fwiw mod steals pagetops while driving. Still think they wouldn't put in 2 people with ascetic?"-
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In what possible way is that bastard? Without some mechanic that allows town to DENY scum, it is impossible for town to kill scum.
You just sound disappointed that this rule makes it harder for scum to win.eagerSnake - "Fwiw mod steals pagetops while driving. Still think they wouldn't put in 2 people with ascetic?"-
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This was in the post, it just didn't have an area around it. It was still red text, directly above the day start VC. At a certain point, if players don't notice your stuff, it's on them.In post 529, God of Power Outlets wrote:You all now have the ability to Say No to Getting Kinky! If someone asks you to Get Kinky, you have the ability to Just Say No. Simply quote the offender asking you and post, in bold, No, Just Sayin' and that person will FAIL. You only get the ability to Say No once per day phase. Remember that incompatible kinks still fail as well. Remember that incompatible kinks still fail as well. We'll give at least a 24 hour lag time between someone asking before posting the result.eagerSnake - "Fwiw mod steals pagetops while driving. Still think they wouldn't put in 2 people with ascetic?"-
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Well that's fucking disappointing. I assumed at the very least that we'd wait until SnarkySnowman came back before Kuroi got in. In this case, low activity is a weak-link, because scum can get kinky with them, and they won't pop in to deny access. Fuck.
Alright dramonic. Come get me. All-In and Rach basically get to decide who's lynched today. Whoever dies, I suggest we book Kuroi and Snarky together so that we can cuck them together tomorrow.eagerSnake - "Fwiw mod steals pagetops while driving. Still think they wouldn't put in 2 people with ascetic?"-
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<3
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In post 590, KuroiXHF wrote:Podo, why has your read on me flipped 180?In post 383, podoboq wrote:Kuroi is a scumlean for me now. Shitty interactions with people. Setting the bar too high for Snarky. I don't like how he's dealing with Magna, and I want to reread it when there's a little more content there and I have the attention span to read it in full, but it looks TvS, and I'm liking Magna. Also, including yourself in a list of people who you townread is fucky.eagerSnake - "Fwiw mod steals pagetops while driving. Still think they wouldn't put in 2 people with ascetic?"-
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Scumlean to scumread isn't a 180, Captain Misrep.In post 602, KuroiXHF wrote:
You say lean, but you're acting solid.In post 601, podoboq wrote:In post 590, KuroiXHF wrote:Podo, why has your read on me flipped 180?In post 383, podoboq wrote:Kuroi is a scumlean for me now. Shitty interactions with people. Setting the bar too high for Snarky. I don't like how he's dealing with Magna, and I want to reread it when there's a little more content there and I have the attention span to read it in full, but it looks TvS, and I'm liking Magna. Also, including yourself in a list of people who you townread is fucky.eagerSnake - "Fwiw mod steals pagetops while driving. Still think they wouldn't put in 2 people with ascetic?"-
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In post 414, podoboq wrote:
This 100%. I'm cool with cucking Kuroi today.In post 410, MagnaofIllusion wrote:Not buying this in the least. Anyone who has played any amount of games with Snarky knows that he’s “Neutral Useless” as any alignment. The fact that you are seem to be scum-reading him for every action he is taking is suspect and looks like you’ve found that “safe” scum read to pressure.
There's more of the transition from lean to scumread. You were scumreading Snarky for basically everything he did yesterday, then you come into Day 2 and instantly attempt to get kinky with him with no real explanation. Also, everything since looks like "scum under pressure" until the mod comes in and says "Snarky's too slow," then you can relax and start playing more aggressively. Yeah, you're scum.In post 556, podoboq wrote:
Found scum. Thanks for claiming.In post 546, KuroiXHF wrote:Actually, I have no idea why I was even contemplating listening to MoI.
He's blowing over every fucking post I have anyways.
Get kinky with SnarkyeagerSnake - "Fwiw mod steals pagetops while driving. Still think they wouldn't put in 2 people with ascetic?"-
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Welp. Playing to your win condition is fun.
Dramonic, I want to say no to that. We have Rach&All-In who die if I accept and shos and gork are a match. I think Rach is more important than me, and I don't think there's scum in Rach&All-in. Plus, I know that I will at least book the right players (Kuroi + Snowman). Thoughts?
Hypothetically, I'm talking about denying your request and asking Rach to pair with YOU, so I can book the right players and Rach survives. I'd say they can couple me instead, but frankly, I don't want to scumbag you Dramonic.eagerSnake - "Fwiw mod steals pagetops while driving. Still think they wouldn't put in 2 people with ascetic?"-
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Also, we know that shos&Gork is a successful, pair, so if I accept, I'm just killing Rach&All-in.eagerSnake - "Fwiw mod steals pagetops while driving. Still think they wouldn't put in 2 people with ascetic?"-
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In post 56, All In wrote:Okay.
How do you think we should pair up?
I was thinking we might "elect" a townread who then gets to select someone of their choice to partner up with. The partner then selects someone for the second pair and so on until only one person is left.
I'm not sure how else we're going to have scum be unselected here?
Some of his theory-crafting is bad, but it's town. Scum is unlikely to be this all-cards-on-the-table methinks. This is just the first thing that comes to mind. If Dramonic is even partially OK with what I'm selling here, then I'm gonna reread and make a decision.In post 57, All In wrote:
outing off-limits will only give scum the opportunity to manipulate things. I'm not a big fan of that.In post 54, ThinkBig wrote:Agreed.
I wonder if it is best to out your kinks/off-limits now and lynch from there.
Also, gork, maybe consider saying no to shos.eagerSnake - "Fwiw mod steals pagetops while driving. Still think they wouldn't put in 2 people with ascetic?"-
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I have to go do some work, but I'll be checking in. Everyone, PLEASE give me feedback on this. Are Rach&All-in worth saving here?eagerSnake - "Fwiw mod steals pagetops while driving. Still think they wouldn't put in 2 people with ascetic?"-
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I'm basically certain that dram is town, and he's not only better at this game than I am, but I think he's better at town telling. If he is town, he has more value to this game than I do, and he's almost certainly town. Now that I know that mafia cannot lynch, I can be a little more transparent about that belief.In post 623, MagnaofIllusion wrote:I mean realistically as Town you should be judging whether you think the odds of Dram or All-In is more likely to be scum. Frankly I’m having trouble with the whole notion that you as Town think the best course of action is to reject Dram and have Rach / All-in choose Dram. That means you think there is a zero percent chance that there is any scum in Dram / Rach / AllIn and you think getting rid of yourself (the only player whose alignment you know for certain) is the best course of action. That makes me go "Hmmmmmmmmmmmmm ..."
When it comes to All-in & Rach, I think Rach is more likely scum there going only by play, but mechanically, I find it implausible that scum would have 0 turn-offs. Like, I get that it's a possibility, but it seems unlikely. Rach & All-in are arguable more important than me because townRach can auto-pair with people. That has to be worth something.eagerSnake - "Fwiw mod steals pagetops while driving. Still think they wouldn't put in 2 people with ascetic?"-
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The only player who I feel confident calling scum is Kuroi. After that, my reads mostly align with yours, but I'd give higher preference to "lynching" players who are difficult to work with, especially considering the mechanics of this game require town to be incredibly cohesive. My "lynch" order is as follows.In post 623, MagnaofIllusion wrote:Who are your scum reads besides Kuroi? That’s what it comes down to.
Kuroi > Snarky > Jaqen.
I think there's one scum between Gork and shos. If I'm wrong there, I'd look at DGB, then Rach&All-in, then Fresh.
You and dramonic are heavy enough townreads at this point that you're out of my PoE.eagerSnake - "Fwiw mod steals pagetops while driving. Still think they wouldn't put in 2 people with ascetic?"-
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Mafia essentially can't nightkill without making the number of playerslots even. Since they don't have uncontested control over removing players from the game, I think we can be more explicit about who has value to the town and who doesn't.eagerSnake - "Fwiw mod steals pagetops while driving. Still think they wouldn't put in 2 people with ascetic?"-
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Yes you can! You seriously, seriously can.In post 654, KuroiXHF wrote:Well y'know, you can't help your team win if you're not alive.
And you've been here longer than me. Why don't you know this?
You are a mason, and you partner mason is a cop. He's about to be lynched, so you redirect town's attention and get yourself lynched instead. Good job, you just sacrificed yourself for town, and are more likely to win the game because of it.
Or, better yet, YOU DON'TSOMEONE YOU SCUMREAD FOR THE SUPPOSED PURPOSE OF SELF PRESERVATION. You're saying that if there were three people left, you and two confirmed scum, that you would partner with one of the scum rather than all die together.SAVEeagerSnake - "Fwiw mod steals pagetops while driving. Still think they wouldn't put in 2 people with ascetic?"-
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Unless Gork or I deny the people requesting us, you and All-In are dead.In post 658, RachMarie wrote:I was waiting to hear from All in, in our PT but have not heard from him, who is left?eagerSnake - "Fwiw mod steals pagetops while driving. Still think they wouldn't put in 2 people with ascetic?"-
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And how, per chance, did you plan on doing that?In post 665, Jaqen Hghar wrote:He wasn't going to let you be stuck out...eagerSnake - "Fwiw mod steals pagetops while driving. Still think they wouldn't put in 2 people with ascetic?"-
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Ignoring your posts is a serious possibility. Misreading or misinterpreting them is another.In post 666, Jaqen Hghar wrote:Exactly what did you think a man was getting at with his question to you or did you even see it? Feck!eagerSnake - "Fwiw mod steals pagetops while driving. Still think they wouldn't put in 2 people with ascetic?"