NY 184: a help (done)

[Jake from State Farm]

vote: evil pacman

Cause evil = scum ldo

Ugh, now I need a shower

[Jake from State Farm]

Oh shit forgot to say

Sup

[Jake from State Farm]

Apologetic? Where did I apologize for anything?

[Jake from State Farm]

1. Rvs vote usually comes with some random reason so you fail here
2. I brought it up cause sup is my calling card and I realized I forgot.

3. I didn't apologize for not having taken a shower, it was a reference to feeling dirty and now I need one.

You fail

vote: RC

Serious vote

[Jake from State Farm]

By feelings of inadequacy I mean that he came into the game with the preconception of having done something wrong or having something to apologize for.

Not even close, keep reaching

[Jake from State Farm]

For those playing at home you have RC pretending he doesn't know how rvs works yet I can provide links to him rvs voting with reasons which proves the opposite and falsely accusing me of being apologetic when he can't even cite examples of it. And now he's completely gone off the rails by pulling shit out of his ass to justify his horrible vote.

This is classic scum behavior. Lynch him

[Jake from State Farm]

because he feels pressured to maintain his normal behaviour

If this were even remotely true, I wouldn't have rvs'd cause anyone who knows me knows I almost never rvs regardless of alignment.

Fail harder big boy

[Jake from State Farm]

1. Rvs works by voting people for a random reason, which I did yet you try to indicate that's somehow scummy since you know it's not, you are faking ignorance. See how that works?
2. Well if you were town you would've be making up stuff like you have been
3. You haven't been spot on yet so not sure why you think that
4. I'm not in any QT, does this mod even use a QT? Most mods use PT? Possible scum slip here if the mod actually is using a QT, which we have no idea
5. I acknowledged that one part of your statement as being completely false, which just continues to prove my case against you is pretty good. Its nice to catch scum on page 1. I'm sure your buddies hate you now

P.edit - I'm not flustered, if anything I'm ecstatic I caught scum on page 1

[Jake from State Farm]

I have a ton of meta experience with his game openers

My game openers are pretty consistent in all my games

1. I say sup and nothing else as my first post
2. I typically don't rvs
3. I usually drop a reasonless vote

You don't need those ongoing games to out my meta, anyone cab meta dive me and find that the above will hold true to almost Evey game I have ever played as jfsf regardless of alignment.

Are there exceptions? I'm sure there are, I like to mix things up a bit

[Jake from State Farm]

But that's why your whole argument fails, its outside my norm as both alignments so you can't say its a scum tell because it isn't one. You thought you found an easy target, but I'm not one.

I expected better scum play from you RC, I'm disappointed

[Jake from State Farm]

Well day 1 was pretty easy. I'm done responding to scum but if anyone else needs something from me I'll be checking in often.

Vote won't be moving off RC, he's confirmed scum in my book

[Jake from State Farm]

Lol @ the paranoia

[Jake from State Farm]

Both of you pull your heads out of your asses and play the game. You didn't "catch scum" on page 1.

1. I am
2. Yes I actually did.

[Jake from State Farm]

matt brings up a good point about the bulge., except for the fact that bulge doesn't have inside knowledge that rc is town, cause rc isn't town. they may be scum together but rc is scum.

[Jake from State Farm]

"wtf is going on in their heads"

you wondered what was in my head?

Tell me why RC would say this

Unnecessarily giving reasons for an RVS vote

when in this game (where he was town mind you)he gave a reason for his RVS vote.?

OR why would he accuse me of being apologetic but when called on it was unable to provide examples of me apologizing?

yeah you would know what was in my head if you actually read the thread.

bottom line is RC is scum moar votes plox

[Jake from State Farm]

It's not scummy on its own, but it's scummy in the context of a larger framework. Especially considering point 5; it's outside of the normal opening range for him.

IE he's not scummy for doing a fairly typical RVS, it's scummy in the context of it being not what he normally does and matching my scumtell whereby scum are often apologetic or feel inadequate.

some more big boy.

[Jake from State Farm]

it's scummy in the context of it being not what he normally does and matching my scumtell whereby scum are often apologetic or feel inadequate.

1. this only works if this is outside the norm of their normal town play, but that doesn't apply here because it's outside the norm of not only my town plat, but my scum play also so they cancel each other out and makes the fact that I RVS'd null and not alignment indicative at all. Saying anything other to the contrary just isn't true and if you were town you would concede that, but you don't which proves to me you aren't town.

2. Again you accuse me of being apologetic yet cant cite a single example of me being apologetic. Now you add in the feeling inadequate yet again can't find any examples of that because I am not apologetic about anything nor do I feel inadequate.


If anything I feel grateful. I was in a slump recently and I was having trouble finding the old jake from state farm and catching you on page 1 has actually helped me restore my confidence.

[Jake from State Farm]

But then I remember that in the game I modded, essentially the exact same thing happened WRT JFSF and Slandaar, who was town.

viewtopic.php?f=53&t=34150

that was a great game and a classic example of me emulating my town play. Nice touch trying to use that against me here, you get an A for effort but i'mnot scum and you have already confirmed you are.

[Jake from State Farm]

What else do I need to do to get Jake lynched today?

promise that you will let town lynch you tomorrow when I flip town so town can finally get 1 scum lynched and I will let you lynch me today.
Let's 1 vs 1 big boy. Will your scum team be ok with you doing that?

[Jake from State Farm]

so you aren't going to do a 1 v 1? chicken

[Jake from State Farm]

why would he be trying to argue with me?

not really arguing with you, rather pointing out all the flaws in your arguments aka defending myself from scum trying to mislynch me.

you have played this game before right?

[Jake from State Farm]

1v1. Here and now.

Done.

Everyone else has to promise that they will lynch RC at the start of day 2 and we can proceed.

[Jake from State Farm]

I think Jake is a good wagon too,

Why? I've done nothing scummy at all, and have handed town scum on a silver platter.

[Jake from State Farm]

Flubber, why policy lynch RC over Jake?

Why would he pl me? To pl someone that would mean they have played poorly or antitown, I have done neither of these things.

You guys are forgetting RC has changed his story

1. He voted me for using a reason with my rvs which is bullshit
2. Then he said I was trying to play like my usual self which is also bullshit
3. When he realized that he then changed it to I'm not playing like my usual self, but that's also bullshit cause I'm not playing like my town or scum self.

3 different reasons in 1/2 pages = scum grasping at straws.

Lynch him.

[Jake from State Farm]

[Jake from State Farm]

And for that 1 game where I was scum, I can probably provide you 3/4 games where I played the same way as town. What RC is failing to disclose is I was playing like my old town self in that game, I was purposely trying to emulate my town game so I could be read as town. My earlier games on the site were me being hyper agressive. See if RC were town he would not be relying on meta of one game, cause meta from 1 game is completely unreliable

[Jake from State Farm]

I've wondered if both parties are scum, bussing one another to clear one or the other, but I'm not so sure that's such a great strategy in the first place

I've done that once, and it was a great strategy cause it worked and we won.

[Jake from State Farm]

It's more the fact that everyone is using it as a convenient diversion to avoid addressing me and Jake.

Id rather put a bullet through both of your heads.

Please do

[Jake from State Farm]

This game reminds me of the game I caught scum very early, like page 1/2 and people ignored me. It drug on for over 30 pages, I think I even replaced out cause people started abusing me and all along had people listened to me it all could have been avoided. I sure hope that doesn't happen here, but I'm fully prepared to go the distance.

[Jake from State Farm]

Who are RC's buddies then?

Not sure, I can't think that far ahead.

[Jake from State Farm]

I don't play larges ever, so I have no experience with them but since this is basically a mini, minis rarely have Vigs. I personally love the role but always get a hassle trying to put them in smaller games. Hopefully we have one though and hopefully they shoot RC if he doesn't gt lynched today

[Jake from State Farm]

though it's hard to read, I think kinetic made some good points in that post of his.

[Jake from State Farm]

^ I thought about it myself. he definitely crossed the line especially when it wasn't even warranted.

[Jake from State Farm]

your reading comprehension is stellar flubber as I already have an offer on the table for a 1 v 1.

Why this is so? because I am so confident that RC is scum that once he flips scum will kill me and as long as I am alive nobody will listen to me (nobody ever does). I have pointed out his horrible reasons and even show how he had to change his reasons to make them even appear logical (which he still failed to do) and nobody is listening to me.

People think that it is impossible for me to have nailed scum so early and they just assume this is t v t and instead they will not lynch either of us and town will ultimately lose the game and I will ultimately lose my mind death tunneling RC and nobody wins.

RC is scum, 100% guaranteed. His case on me is terrible and his reason for suspecting me in the first place is also suspect especially if what he is saying in this post is true.

I have a ton of meta experience with his game openers and this is way out of line for his norm.

because if what he is saying is true then he would know that in probably every single game I have played as JFSF, I start essentially the same way regardless of my alignment. Me starting different this game isn't alignment indicative and he should know that if he were town genuinely scum hunting.

1st he attacks me for using a reason with my RVS which anyone who has EVER played a game of mafia, know that RVS votes almost always include a reason
2nd he accuses me of being apologetic which is a false accusation from him because I wasn't. When questioned about this he attempts to make up stuff but none of his examples proved his point, if anything it disproved it.
3rd. he says I must feel pressure to play like my town self - This is also a bad accusation because I started the game NOTHING like my town self, I also started the game NOTHING like my scum self. If he was SO FAMILIAR with my meta like he claims he is, he would know this is 100% fact.
4th. in post 14 he accuses me of being defensive when I wasn't defensive at all, I answered his questions and then voted him because I knew something was off about him, mainly because of the RVS reason thing.
5th. In post 19 is when he tries to backpedal and change his story because his original case on me had nothing to do with my start to the game being "off kilter" his original case was

1. "Unnecessarily giving reasons for an RVS vote." - Which we all know is a BS reason
2. "Essentially apologizing for not having showered. Showcases feelings of inadequacy." which is also a BS reason because that isn't even what my comment implied (and sort of proves that he knows jack shit about my game openers like he has already claimed)


so yeah I'm down for a 1 v 1 and I want town to give it to me.

[Jake from State Farm]

long as I am alive nobody will listen to me (nobody ever does)

see?

[Jake from State Farm]

yes 1v1 basically means a trade. Lynch me when I flip town, lynch him so he can flip scum. Or we could just save time and lynch him first but people stupidly writing our argument off as tvt and not even reading the scummy content of his posts.

[Jake from State Farm]

RC doesn't make me uncomfortable, that's a terrible reason to let scum off the hook btw

[Jake from State Farm]

Like if I had a dollar for every game they were in with me and somebody went apecrap on her D1 and she was town Id have 5 or 6 of them.

links?

[Jake from State Farm]

you admit to not having a town vibe, yet you aren't voting anyone. At this point you aren't being productive nor are you trying to pressure anyone. rather you are just posting useless stuff

[Jake from State Farm]

no because I am on step 2 already, Trying to get people to lynch scum

[Jake from State Farm]

I wouldn't say it is useless stuff. It helped me get a read on him.

how can you have a read on him? he's not even playing the game yet. No scum hunting, no trying to move the game along, nothing pro-town from him at all

[Jake from State Farm]

Interesting, the scumtell bauss used in that game is nothing like the stuff you have made up about me. Not surprised you would intentionally mislead people though.

[Jake from State Farm]

Also the game vs BBT isnt really similar here either...

"People give more reasons than normal (overexplain) when they're lying."

1. I didn't give "more reason than normal" I simply gave a reason
2. If what I gave was "more reason than normal" and that means I'm supposedly lying, then what about you in this game?
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 3#p6540303

You were town, yet "gave more reason than normal" based on the same criteria you are using here...

[Jake from State Farm]

I have no marked tendency not to RVS.

Irrelevant

[Jake from State Farm]

long as I am alive nobody will listen to me (nobody ever does)

see?

You and RC are basically white noise at this point. I'm more interested in getting other shit done.

Well only 2 ways to shut me up, and those 2 ways will probably be the only 2 to shut RC up.

Lynch him or me.

@ RC why did you ask about me in that game?

[Jake from State Farm]

The part that is frustrating me is I've made really good points about why RC is scum,and nobody comments on those. I get ignore our fighting but don't ignore the case against him.

P.edit - in that game with bbt, you asked if I was still playing or something

[Jake from State Farm]

Link?

[Jake from State Farm]

Doesn't even matter, what bauss did in that game isn't what RC is doing this game.

[Jake from State Farm]

after you see Jake's scumflip.

That's not going to happen. But you know that already

[Jake from State Farm]

Usually I'm a sucker for a good AtE but I know your scumgame too well.

Ain't no AtE coming from me, just 100% straight facts

[Jake from State Farm]

Doesn't even matter, what bauss did in that game isn't what RC is doing this game.

So he isn't cheating?

Also, that post had nothing to do with this game.

RC said he is using whatever bauss used in that game in another game and this one. Thing is the things bauss said in that game to catch you isn't similar at all to what RC is doing in this game. Its not even similar to the other game that RC supposedly used it in.

[Jake from State Farm]

Aka he's lying and pulling shit out of his ass which I've already established

[Jake from State Farm]

Want me to be quiet? Lynch RC. Until that happens you guys will have to put up with it.

[Jake from State Farm]

They aren't going to Lynch me cause I'm obv town, why they aren't lynching you though I'll never understand

[Jake from State Farm]

I've posted a really awesome case. It was ignored. That's what happens when I actually catch scum and it sucks so the punishment for ignoring me is to keep pushing until people cave and either lynch you and prove I was right all along.

[Jake from State Farm]

It would be so cute if you were both scum doing this to disengage town

So do what I've asked and lynch one of us. I don't even care if I go first at this point. But don't get scared tomorrow and let him off the hook and make my lynch be wasted.

I'm guaranteeing you he's scum.

[Jake from State Farm]

If you're not then youre just the most anti town players in existence and have concept of how to facilitate productive discussion. If you retort that you're not going to stop until you get what you want then please see the part where I say you have no concept

Excuse me? How is trying to lynch your top scum read anti town?

This isn't the first time I've been accused if being anti town for trying to Lynch scum yet nobody can ever explain to me how playing the game toward my win condition is anti-town so can you explain it?

[Jake from State Farm]

I've made an awesome case and its been ignored, not a single response telling me they agree or disgare with it. Everyone who ignored the case is guilty if being anti-town. THIS MEANS YOU TOO MATT.

[Jake from State Farm]

You crowding the game with these posts is making people not engage, cut down on your back and forth

That's a bs excuse and you know it.

[Jake from State Farm]

There is no excuse to completely ignore a case that somebody worked so hard to write. Its fucking rude and disrespectful

[Jake from State Farm]

1. I'm not scum
2. I already said I'm not changing my vote so idk why you quoted that post.

[Jake from State Farm]

Here is my case again. Even put it in spoilers to not take up a bunch of space.

Spoiler:

your reading comprehension is stellar flubber as I already have an offer on the table for a 1 v 1.

Why this is so? because I am so confident that RC is scum that once he flips scum will kill me and as long as I am alive nobody will listen to me (nobody ever does). I have pointed out his horrible reasons and even show how he had to change his reasons to make them even appear logical (which he still failed to do) and nobody is listening to me.

People think that it is impossible for me to have nailed scum so early and they just assume this is t v t and instead they will not lynch either of us and town will ultimately lose the game and I will ultimately lose my mind death tunneling RC and nobody wins.

RC is scum, 100% guaranteed. His case on me is terrible and his reason for suspecting me in the first place is also suspect especially if what he is saying in this post is true.

I have a ton of meta experience with his game openers and this is way out of line for his norm.

because if what he is saying is true then he would know that in probably every single game I have played as JFSF, I start essentially the same way regardless of my alignment. Me starting different this game isn't alignment indicative and he should know that if he were town genuinely scum hunting.

1st he attacks me for using a reason with my RVS which anyone who has EVER played a game of mafia, know that RVS votes almost always include a reason
2nd he accuses me of being apologetic which is a false accusation from him because I wasn't. When questioned about this he attempts to make up stuff but none of his examples proved his point, if anything it disproved it.
3rd. he says I must feel pressure to play like my town self - This is also a bad accusation because I started the game NOTHING like my town self, I also started the game NOTHING like my scum self. If he was SO FAMILIAR with my meta like he claims he is, he would know this is 100% fact.
4th. in post 14 he accuses me of being defensive when I wasn't defensive at all, I answered his questions and then voted him because I knew something was off about him, mainly because of the RVS reason thing.
5th. In post 19 is when he tries to backpedal and change his story because his original case on me had nothing to do with my start to the game being "off kilter" his original case was

1. "Unnecessarily giving reasons for an RVS vote." - Which we all know is a BS reason
2. "Essentially apologizing for not having showered. Showcases feelings of inadequacy." which is also a BS reason because that isn't even what my comment implied (and sort of proves that he knows jack shit about my game openers like he has already claimed)


so yeah I'm down for a 1 v 1 and I want town to give it to me.

[Jake from State Farm]

I am not disengaging anyone.

[Jake from State Farm]

I have had conversations with pisskop and oversoul. I have shown I can keep trying to lynch my scum read while scum hunting others. Right now I am trying to decide which one of those two I like for scum because pisskop hasn't been useful at all and the fact that oversoul has been able to town read him and actually defend him doesn't feel right to me. i'm more inclined to think oversoul is probably the scum but I am waiting to see what "useful posts" pisskop has made cause I still don't see any.

I agreed with you that the bulge is scummy because he is. I just don't think he has done anything to warrant being lynched, that one post that started his wagon was bad but not as bad as RC's posts.

The rest of the people are basically lurk fucks and I can't engage people who arent here.

so there want to try again?

[Jake from State Farm]

@ oversoul this is what I see when I look through PK's iso

0. rvs
1-4 - nothing of value
5. responds to your queston and does a half-assed job at it.
6 & 7 nothing of value
8. Asks a question that was already answered in post 62 by RC, so pointless question
9 - another half assed post which doesn't really add value to the game
10 - unvote and complaining
11 - 13 - more ueless posts. nothing so far has involved any scum hunting or progressing the game along
14. This is the first game related post, unfortunately it involves asking you to explain your view on him. This does nothing to help determine his alignment imo
15. responding to you about your posts about him. He also says matt was over-analytic which I disagree with
16 - 18 - this is basically where he claims he started the bulge wagon which imo isn't true because a RVS vote doesn't count. Matt started the pressure on bulge.
19 - 21 more useless posts
22 - this post makes no sense from a town pov.
23 - another very weird post, one I don't see coming from town. I'm still waiting for at least 1 game that confims his statement about RC
24. asks me a pointless question
25-27 - more useless posts.

No scum hunting at all in any of his post.

[Jake from State Farm]

I'm heartbroken that you guys think I'm not actually doing things over here.

well if you started doing something then maybe the opinion would change, but as it stands now you have done jack squat

[Jake from State Farm]

You bring up a good point about Matt, he is ignoring content.

[Jake from State Farm]

Reason?

[Jake from State Farm]

I will say that I don't like that the bulge has posted on site in the past 2 days, even today yet hasn't posted in here in almost 2 and a half days.

i also didn't even realize lost was playing this game, I had to check the player list

[Jake from State Farm]

because it's so defensive! I, for one, found the statements of "Ugh, I need a shower" and "Oh shit forgot to say" to be clearly apologetic. Not in a scummy way -- Jake apologizes for his spurious logic of voting Evilpacman on the basis of his name, and apparently forgetting his "Sup" tagline. The apologies were truly innocuous. I'm not so sure, however, about the defensiveness.

1. It wasn't defensive at all
2. no I wasn't apologizing for my logic of voting epm based on his name
3. I don't consider me saying "oops i forgot to do something" being apologetic either

let's look at the definition of apologetic shall we?

a·pol·o·get·ic
əˌpäləˈjedik/
adjective
adjective: apologetic
regretfully acknowledging or excusing an offense or failure.

I didn't regretfully acknowledge anything and I didn't excuse an offense or a failure.

[Jake from State Farm]

The "shower" comment was actually disgust, not apologetic

The forgetting to say sup and subsequently posting it was me so excited the game started that I forgot to do what is my calling card, I wasn't apologizing for it.

[Jake from State Farm]

your interpretation sucks ass

so has your play this game

[Jake from State Farm]

i'm not eager to make enemies, but I call things as I see them and if that makes you hate me well that's not my fault. Just because people aren't voting you doesn't mean you aren't playing in an anti-town manner and you certainly haven't provided any content and i would 100% disagree that you are playing towards your wincon, unless you are scum then yes you are playing towards your wincon.


At this point I am basically a mute anyway cause my attempts to push a read has failed and everyone is basically ignoring everything I say including the case that I made on RC which is pretty damn good if I say so myself.

[Jake from State Farm]

When you start pulling dictionary definitions that's when the argument has lost meaning

well when people don't even seem to know the meaning of the word and accuse somebody of it and point to things that don't match the definition, somebody has to educate them

[Jake from State Farm]

it's not a pissing contest and I don't feel dejectec, you say you have better things yet you aren't doing ANYTHING at all. All of your posts are fluff.

but whatever, if you turn out to be town i'll just shake my head and avoid you in the future but for now you can be a scum read of mine also.

[Jake from State Farm]

That's a State Secret

[Jake from State Farm]

Jake From State Farm, what is your opinion on BROseidon?

Im not a fan, he just seems to be responding to things but I don't see much proactive behavior from him

[Jake from State Farm]

Some good news for everyone.

@mod I'll be v/la over the weekend

[Jake from State Farm]

:checks thread, still no vc:

[Jake from State Farm]

that is such a huge post that I couldn't properly respond to it from a phone. Though on a hunch i'm going to say that I disagree with all your disagreements...

[Jake from State Farm]

or you are wrong...

anyway when I get to a computer i'll look it over. That may or may not before I go on v/la

[Jake from State Farm]

I don't see anything pro-town from pisskop, it's why he remains my number 2 scum read. It could be he's just trolling which would piss me off

[Jake from State Farm]

because he wants me to take up more space so people don't focus on him. If pk is town somehow, than oversoul is scum which would make sense why he wants me to talk more.

[Jake from State Farm]

how many more prod dodges you going to make before actually posting content? If I was the mod i'd force replace you at this point cause the rules say 48 hours of activity and a prod dodge imo doesn't count as activity.

[Jake from State Farm]

He has to be refusing to see the things I am seeing (and others are also apparently seeing) so that he can keep pisskop as a mislynch.

Or...

Maybe I'm not seeing anything cause his posts suck and he's literally done nothing protown.

[Jake from State Farm]

because he wants me to take up more space so people don't focus on him. If pk is town somehow, than oversoul is scum which would make sense why he wants me to talk more.

Are you actually this fucking nuts in real life

Nothing I said was nuts in that post. Paranoid perhaps, but not nuts. You realize there's no point in arguing my opinion yet that's what you just did in that huge post. Now you want me to read your responses and hope I'll magically see your POV? That's delusional. So maybe the question is are YOU this fucking nuts in real life?

Do you argue with everyone who doesn't share your opinion?

[Jake from State Farm]

I am, obviously you don't know what v/la means...

[Jake from State Farm]

Ftr, I'm leaving for wva now, my access til tomorrow will be spotty

[Jake from State Farm]

Incidentally, does Penguin still play here at all?

Would that be a guy named insane penguin?

[Jake from State Farm]

Eh, I like this, actually.

Why?

[Jake from State Farm]

This is the best the great Grimmjow, Best Performance: Town, can offer?

Why are you trying to puss people off? Also didn't you criticize me earlier for what you perceived to be me doing AtE? Yet you have now resorted to it your self. Bad scum is bad

God I wish I was a triple voter

[Jake from State Farm]

I think Jake is being obstinate about pisskop thinking he can get a pisskop mislynch.

1. If I was scum I couldn't be obstinate now could I? Obstinate means stubborn which implies you think I am town. If I was scum I could't possibly be stubborn.

2. I am not trying to get pisskop lynched, i'm trying to get RC lynced so the second part of your post is 100% false

What I don't understand is why are you being super defensive of pisskop when NOBODY is even trying to lynch him? It makes no sense.

I get you have issue with me scumreading pisskop because I am the only one calling out his bad play, but everything I have said about pisskop is 100% accurate so it's not me being obstinate, it's me being dead on balls accurate. You just can't see that because you seem to be sucking on... nevermind I won't finish that sentence.

[Jake from State Farm]

pretty sure oversoul has been on your lap all game

[Jake from State Farm]

Ok finally got to a computer, here you go bro

Spoiler:

Three and four are engaging with another player (me). He is trying to discern why I would be asking these things (will come to this later).

while technically true, my assessment is still accurate because it added nothing of value. Asking you what you disliked in the big picture really doesn't do much for me.

I don't think 6 is necessarily contributing anything, but I find humor to in general be a townie thing. I think 7 is very obviously scumhunting a player (me)

.
humor is null
Sure he's trying to figure out why you are scum reading him(or whatever) which is being reactive, he isn't being proactive and he isn't scum hunting imo. Reactive is more of a scum trait than a town trait.

I did a very cursory glance of the pages around this interaction and could not find where RC said this. Could you link it?

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 5#p6851245

He is at least engaging the game with reads.

cmon dude be real. That post is complete trash and easy to fake as scum. He basically comments on the 3 people who were currently being talked about, that's definitely more likely to come from scum instead of town

And? What exactly is bad about this post?

I said his posts show no scum hunting or progressing the game and you just disagreed with me, but please tell me how unvoting and complaining is doing either of the things? If anything you should at least agree with me but then say you didn't have an issue with it.

Post 13 is scumhunting a player (me)

meh, scumhunting a person that he only started paying attention to because that player criticized his play isn't scum hunting, it's just carrying on omgus way to long

This is one of the towniest posts that Pisskop has made. This is definitively where Pisskop starts to scumhunt me for attacking him. Seriously, Jake, how are you not seeing this as scumhunting?

see my reply to post 13

So what I get at this point (and I don't really feel like going through the rest of your posts on this) is you have done a not so good job at explaining why you disliked him and because he has a case of the omgus's he won't back down. I think my original assessment in post 274 may have been right all along. pisskop is probably town (still completely fucking useless) and you are scum for defending him because you were worried he was going to correctly scumhunt you. You then decided to do a complete 180 and buddy the shit out of him and then went super hardcore and defend him when somebody spoke ill of him, even if the person speaking ill of him was completely accurate.

either way I will worry about that once RC is lynched and flips whatever he will flip (my money is that he will flip scum)

[Jake from State Farm]

1.stubbornness means town because scum can't be "stubborn" Scum know who town is so it wouldn't be stubbornness for them to push on a townie, it would be something else. Calculated maybe? idk what it would be but stubborn wouldn't be it but nice try

2. So earlier you wanted me to say who I thought was RC's buddies were and I didn't really have an idea. Later I come out and say that pisskop is a scum read of mine and now that gets twisted into me trying to build suspicion to lynch him on a future day? Man that's really reaching. You are so worried on day 1 what I may or may not do on future days? white knight pisskop harder will you

3. scum are waiting with anticipation for a pisskop lynch? why would you think that when I am the only person who is calling pisskop scum and nobody even listens to me. I don't really see anyone else calling him scum, in fact almost everyone is calling him town. You are the only one standing on a soap box screaming at the top of your lungs about it. That makes no sense to me especially when you were originally the first person casting doubt on him.

This may be a crazy idea but I honestly think you are projecting your guilt on me, I think you thought you could basically set pk up to get lynched at some point but him being obstinate when it came to questioning you and asking you for reasons for your read on him made you crack and you abandoned your plan.

you have already called me nuts once so won't be suprised to see you do it again.

[Jake from State Farm]

I want to know how oversoul has this knowledge of pisskop but from what i can tell this is the first game they have played together. At least twice this game he has talked about pisskop as a player. So Oversoul, how do you know so much about pk?

p.edit - again no scum can't be stubborn. They can only be calculated or persistent but nice try.

[Jake from State Farm]

also in that post to me you pointed out multiple examples of what you perceived to be scum hunting from pisskop and now you call him a weak player. If you felt he was scumhunting and progressing the game, why would you think that was a sign of a weak player? scumhunting and progressing the game is signs of a strong player.

now i'm confused oversoul, which is it? he can't be scum hunting and progressing the game AND be a weak player...

[Jake from State Farm]

Stubbornness is when someone is super persistent in a specific way.

but if scum KNOWS a player is town and continues to be persistant, that doesn't mean they are stubborn because they already KNOW he is town. Scum could just be stupid or like I said earlier, calculated. Stubborn implies the person doesn't know the truth and is just wrong. Scum knows the truth and isn't really wrong either.

[Jake from State Farm]

Yes... yes he can... progressing/scumhunting is not black and white like you seem to think it is. Even weak players can still scumhunt, they can just be super bad at it.

I don't agree with you here so we can agree to disagree.

so please tell me why the hell are you hard defending a weak player? you have gone from pushing the weak player to defending the weak player and this has baiscally prevented you from doing much of anything else. The 180 makes no sense from a town pov and I don't even think you answered some of pisskop's earlier questions that he was asking you. I need to double check that tomorrow, but if you ignored his questions and then did a 180 on him, that will bring u up a few more notches on the scum side.

[Jake from State Farm]

jake isn't scum 1000% but nice try

[Jake from State Farm]

Why did you say Gunsmith here, RadiantCowbells?

probably because it is one of the sample role pms on page 1.

[Jake from State Farm]

Why did you say Gunsmith here, RadiantCowbells?

probably because it is one of the sample role pms on page 1.

Nice defense of your number #1 scum read.
Noted.

Holy shit.

I think I am on to something.

you do realize the mod put a gunsmith role pm on page 1 right?

[Jake from State Farm]

Yes. But why would you answer for your number 1 scum read?

because the answer is an obvious one. Why are you pretending like you didn't know there was a GS role pm on page 1 to begin with?

[Jake from State Farm]

every normal game I have ever played, the sample role pm is a sample of a role pm actually used in the game, so yes I am making the assumption that this game has a GS in it.

[Jake from State Farm]

Yes. But why would you answer for your number 1 scum read?

because the answer is an obvious one. Why are you pretending like you didn't know there was a GS role pm on page 1 to begin with?

STOP AVOIDING THE QUESTION

I didn't avoid the question, you actually quoted me answering the question.

because the answer is an obvious one

[Jake from State Farm]

Still don't see it?

here it is again

because the answer is an obvious one

[Jake from State Farm]

Why did it take you this long to say this thing?

just an fyi, oversoul won't be able to answer this question

[Jake from State Farm]

YOU ASSUME THERE IS A GS IN THIS GAME BECAUSE THE MOD PUT A GS ROLE PM ON PAGE 1, JUST LIKE RC APPARENTLY ASSUMES THERE IS A GS IN THIS GAME.

I fixed your post for accuracy

[Jake from State Farm]

no normal game should EVER CONFIRM THAT THERE IS ANOTHER ROLE IN THIS GAME FROM THE OPENING POST OTHER THAN OPEN GAMES OR INNOCENT CHILDREN.

I don't think there is a rule that forbids a mod from doing that but i'm not 100% familiar with all the rules for mods

p.edit - well you are obviously a much smarter person than I am oversoul, but I don't think it violates any rules nor do I think it is bad modding practice

[Jake from State Farm]

your reaction doesn't come from a town mindset imo.

[Jake from State Farm]

this is what happens when a player brings influences from 1 game into another. That explains oversouls sudden epiphany about me and the reason he asked you that question RC. It's a shame and tbh disrespectful to the spirit of the game, not to mention he's still completely wrong about me.

I'd explain but don't want to violate site rules myself.

[Jake from State Farm]

your reaction doesn't come from a town mindset imo.

Because we clearly play this game the same way.

as a townie there is no reason to be mad that the mod decided to do that but that's all i'm going to say because anymore it just becomes a stupid argument over opinions.

p.edit - lol that's bullshit and you are now covering your tracks. When that game is over i'll bring this topic back up and prove that you were absolutely using that game and my evidence will be pretty damning against you son

[Jake from State Farm]

Sort guys. There was an accident yesterday and I didn't end up getting home until very late last night, have no clue what's going on but will try and read up today/tonight.

[Jake from State Farm]

RC isn't any closer to being lynched?

[Jake from State Farm]

nope I haven't forgotten, I'm obstinate like that.

I also haven't forgotten that oversoul has admitted to using an ongoing game against me in this game after originally lying about it but just not sure how to handle that one yet

[Jake from State Farm]

With class Jake
with class

You don't know me apparently

[Jake from State Farm]

that's pretty impossible given I am not scum but you know that. You have to cover up your day 1/page 1 mistake somehow

[Jake from State Farm]

yeah I bet you wish you could do that.

I'm really starting to lose my patience here.

[Jake from State Farm]

Like I've said before, it's really not as easy to lynch me as some people think it is.

And let's be honest, your crazy mass all-in would have wiped you guys even if it succeeded.

you guys? it's just me dude. I mean you were the one who royally fucked up and got called out on it, if you were town there is no way you make the leap from that to all 3 scum are coming after me. You are scum playing the insane card and so far it's working for you but hopefully people realize that in the end you will be lynched and flip scum. I just hope it happens sooner rather than later before or this game really gets out of hand

[Jake from State Farm]

"no way you would make the leap"

but you didn't say I was wrong.

I have already said you were wrong have you not been reading the thread?

you guys? it's just me dude.

that's pretty impossible given I am not scum but you know that. You have to cover up your day 1/page 1 mistake somehow

jake isn't scum 1000% but nice try

1. I'm not scum

I mean I could go on by why beat a dead horse

[Jake from State Farm]

What are your reads on Matt?

started out decent but has been horrible ever since

[Jake from State Farm]

Anyone noticed that EPM's really not going anywhere despite no one really townreading the slot, and Oversoul keeps looking for excuses to jump off it?

funny all I hear is

[Jake from State Farm]

Spoiler:

[Jake from State Farm]

He doesn't say he's not scum, he says he doesn't know how anyone could know whether he's scum or not.

more proof you are scum. no way anyone as town would say something so idiotic

[Jake from State Farm]

rc, why are you even alive right now?

[Jake from State Farm]

no it isn't



p.edit - they arent lynching scum and it's really fucking annoying. EVRYONE PLEASE LISTEN TO ME. RC IS FUCKING CONFIRMED SCUM. LYNCH HIM NOW!!!!!!!!!!!

[Jake from State Farm]

why are you voting me, you shouldn't be able to know I'm scum.

no genius, he is saying "How can anyone have any read on me aka a town or a scum read on me based on my inactivity"

The fact that you twist it to imply one side just proves you are scum with an agenda.

[Jake from State Farm]

I'm fucking done this game is going to go to hell if you guys let this continue.

this game gets instantly better when we lynch you and get a day 1 scum flip. The fact your scum buddies are doing a great job at creating diversions on to other people is really helping you out.

[Jake from State Farm]

which is fucking dog shit because the lurking is in itself the tell we're reading

and more proof you are scum because LURKING IS A NULL TELL.

[Jake from State Farm]

I already knew oversoul was scum, welcome to the party pal

[Jake from State Farm]

sadly though I think you are trying to bus him cause I think you are probably scum also. The fact that you falsely accuse me of being disengaging while actually ignoring game content that was being posted doesn't paint you in a very positive light and it certainly wasn't very pro-town.

[Jake from State Farm]

Annie is a boy.

doesn't make it true.

sorry scum, but lurking IS a nulltell and it's true based on site meta.

[Jake from State Farm]

Your whole push against Flubber didn't sit right with me.

Why didn't you take issue with RC sheeping Matt?

[Jake from State Farm]

Can we please, please not do Oversoul today?

Have you ever heard of distancing?

It can be an effective strategy.

[Jake from State Farm]

Your whole push against Flubber didn't sit right with me.

Why didn't you take issue with RC sheeping Matt?

Wagons are good. I honestly didn't even notice that. I'm kinda in my own world in this game.

[Jake from State Farm]

Everyone in my scumpool has expressed interest in lynching Oversoul.

That's good enough for me. I'm not doing it.

Good thing nobody asked you

[Jake from State Farm]

Then fucking lynch me and get me out of this trashcan game jesus.

I'm OK with that since I wasn't going to be voting oversoul anyway

[Jake from State Farm]

Jake you really don't deserve this win at all.

It looks like town is going to win and that means I'm right about 2 scum, I'm pretty sure that means I absolutely deserve the win. IMO this reads as butt hurt scum

[Jake from State Farm]

Jake you really don't deserve this win at all.

town this game is literally so retarded I feel like I'm playing town of salem.

Don't use the r-word in that manner. Thank you!

Also.please don't use the word retarded. Its offensive

[Jake from State Farm]

So, I think Elyse has the worst vote of the last 5 votes.

What is everyone's read on her?

Hmmm.

Tempted by the Matt vote...

1. Null on elyse

2. Have you ever heard of distancing?

It can be an effective strategy.

Sheeping your scum buddy is a bad strategy

[Jake from State Farm]

Its addressing you contemplating sheeping your scum buddy. I was giving you some solid advice to help you in future games

[Jake from State Farm]

It wasn't even humor. I'm being nice and giving you a very solid piece of advice

[Jake from State Farm]

Like, I'm curious to know what about her vote read as terrible to you

Me too

[Jake from State Farm]

Matt, this wouldn't be the first time os contradicted himself. When he finallyndoes his 180 on pk, he gives a completely different reason for why he was scum reading him. Interesting point, his 180 on pk comes the very next post after pk calls os town.

@pk - why did you let OS get way with not answering your earlier questions to him? I saw at least 2 direct questions to him that he never answered, I'm curious why you let that slide and how were you able to town read him without him answering those questions.

[Jake from State Farm]

you know what nevermind, when looking for them again on my computer so I could quote them, he does eventually answer them. my bad

[Jake from State Farm]

I'm done with this game.

I'll hammer Jake or EPM if they get voted up. Prod dodging until that happens.

regardless of your alignment this imo is playing against win condition.

[Jake from State Farm]

so is voting town

lucky for me I haven't done that yet

you on the other hand have voted 7 people, 6 if you exclude the self vote. So if you are town you have admitted to playing against your wincondition when you self voted, and you have also violated it because odds are we don't have 6 scum in this game.


Also if you were town you would know that there is no way for a townie to know for sure if the person they are voting is town or not so your definition fails on that aspect.

flail harder scum

[Jake from State Farm]

Yeah, Elyse literally just posted a vote with no content attached to it to read into. I don't get how you read it being so terrible.- or you just dislike her having you as a scumread? But so many people are scumreading you rn

It came out of nowhere because she was townreading me

you mean when she said she was "townreading you slightly" over 300 posts ago? because other than that I don't see where she said you were a strong townread, hell even in that post she didn't say you were a strong townread...

[Jake from State Farm]

correction over 400 posts ago

[Jake from State Farm]

so its strange for her slight town read on you to change over 400 posts but it was perfectly acceptable for others including yourself to change reads on a player in much less time?

[Jake from State Farm]

did you ask her to supply one?

reasonless votes aren't scummy, nobody should know that more than me because I love dropping reasonless votes.

[Jake from State Farm]

See let's compare something.

Reasonless vote -

UNVOTE: BulgeVOTE: Jake

Reasonable reaction to a reasonless vote

Reason?

Reasonless vote -

VOTE: Oversoul

Not a reasonable reaction to a reasonless vote

So, I think Elyse has the worst vote of the last 5 votes.

What is everyone's read on her?

Hmmm.

Tempted by the Matt vote...

Instead of asking elyse to explain her vote, you instead want to ask every single person what their read is on her. That isn't optimal play, that is scum looking to see who they can rile up to get a mislynch.

Earlier you gave both pk and epm town reads because they were scumhunting you, but now elyse votes you out of the blue and this was your chance to try and scumhunt her and pick her brain to see what she was thinking and you instead ignored her and asked others opinions of her?

makes no sense. This makes you more likely to be scum

[Jake from State Farm]

also want to note that you gave epm a town read and in less than 200 posts you were willing to vote him because somebody else was voting him. I don't recall seeing any real reason from you at the time for your change in reads but i'd have to go back and double check that.

[Jake from State Farm]

RC, why do you think EPM is scum? He is trying to parse the game. He is actively scumhunting me, and he built a more structured/substantial case against you than most of the people on your wagon.

I could vote EPM with you.
I've always wanted to be in the LCS.

oh you only wanted to vote EPM so you could gain town cred.

That makes complete sense...

[Jake from State Farm]

Yeah that's all well and good, then we get to endgame and oh look Jake and EPM were scum, just like RC said D1.

There is no freaking way you can still be scum reading me after the awesomeness I posted recently, if you were town your read would have to change...

[Jake from State Farm]

I'll pray really hard that bulge gets vig killed tonight so we can have your full attention day 2 so we can lynch Os. Today though we are lynching RC, not OS.

[Jake from State Farm]

Oh yay ilu bro

Dude wtf is it with us being on wagons and nobody voting them despite the wagons obviously being sound.

Flubber wagon wasn't/isn't a sound wagon...

[Jake from State Farm]

The poor me I'm playing bad cause I have had some bad games recently routine is weak, even if you aren't scum its weak.

[Jake from State Farm]

are you just going to lurk and post list reads because seriously if you are town you aren't helping anyone (especially town) by posting those and you certainly aren't scum hunting.

In post 739 you say you support a lost lynch. Why? what in your opinion has he done scummy. Also I asked you why you voted me and from what i can tell you have avoided that question. The closest thing I have seen is "scum vibes" which is not an answer.

so yeah, if you are town step up your game, if you are scum then keep defending your buddy RC and being useless. Town will lynch you eventually

p.edit - that is a BS excuse. Please replace out if you are going to not play the game. and again please for the love of god never post another list read again.

Thank you - management.

[Jake from State Farm]

oh boy this is going to be a long 5 days...

[Jake from State Farm]

and I won't be moving from RC to anyone else

[Jake from State Farm]

even look at other targets

see this is where you fail because I have looked at other targets. In fact I have already named all 3 of my scum reads although now i have to add you to the list because only scum would lie like this

[Jake from State Farm]

don't read as scum to me

what about the fact that he lied about me? or the fact that he tried to say my rvs vote was over explanation but then I actually proved not only was he full of shit, that he as town has was just as "guilty" of over explanation (using his own definition)

or the plethora of other things that I pointed out.

[Jake from State Farm]

I like how you start town reading people who pressure you. First pisskop. Now matt

[Jake from State Farm]

But I'm not really pressuring you, plus why would you town read the one guy who is blowing up the entire scum team. You need me out of the game to stand a chance of scum winning

[Jake from State Farm]

Scum won't kill me and I'm banking on that. Just makes me more dangerous

[Jake from State Farm]

You don't learn do you? I'll be blacklisting you and hopefully when this game is over you get a game playing ban.

[Jake from State Farm]

From my perception, You just taunted me based an ongoing game. I've reported you again to the site mods and I'll let them decide if its punishable or not.

[Jake from State Farm]

Literally saw you post here

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 4#p6881864

So you can calm the hell down with that bullcrap.

Yeah yeah, go tell that to somebody who believe your lies.

[Jake from State Farm]

So you just randomly saw me post and decided to say hi and a cool.smiley? And it has nothing to do with [redacted]?

Bullshit since you never did that once all game and the timing of the [redacted] is too similar.

Goodnight.

P.edit - I'd love to explain RC, but I can't. It totally is though.

[Jake from State Farm]

Should vote Jake with me. Actively trying to get me modkilled.

Not trying to get you modmilled actually. Game mod told me to report you to N since you admitted to violating site rules already.

[Jake from State Farm]

*modkilled*

[Jake from State Farm]

Your votes don't scare me

[Jake from State Farm]

I asked Bob for advice. I wasn't sure if the game mod does something or site mod. Also their are other mod punishments instead of modkill, I'd be happy with a force replace so scum at least has a fighting chance

[Jake from State Farm]

Now I'm hoping for a site punishment as other people get them for violating rules. You admitted to violating one so it should happen. I'll take it all the way to mith if I have to, what you did was inexcusable and letting you off without punishment means they don't care about the rules

[Jake from State Farm]

My issue is with you clearly violating site rules and I want you punished for it, especially since you admitted you did it.

Goodnight

[Jake from State Farm]

You know this is fucking pissing me off because this is _EXACTLY_ what happened in the Jake!Scum game that I modded.

He created fights between people, got into fights that caused people to reports.

And here's word for word

but I am having fun here, Slandaar. I think we should be blood brothers. one of us dies today and the other tomorrow and a town flip means the other dies tomorrow. Sound good?

vote: slandaar

Familiar?

Also, he clearly lied about discussing it with the moderator as Oversoul pointed out, which suggests to me he isn't actually upset about the violation, but instead he's using it to disrupt town.

As is his established scum meta.

Like if he was town and I was pushing him like this he'd have died ages ago.

What you are keeping from everybody is that

1. I was emulating my town meta in that game, I can probably link 2 or 3 other games where I did the same thing all as town, that's why I did it that game

2. Slandaar and I already had history together which is why I chose to fight with him.

[Jake from State Farm]

Also, he clearly lied about discussing it with the moderator as Oversoul pointed out, which suggests to me he isn't actually upset about the violation, but instead he's using it to disrupt town.

Clearly I'm lying...

[Jake from State Farm]

As is his established scum meta.

See you know jack about my meta. My town meta is more like this, my scum meta isn't.

[Jake from State Farm]

No nothing was compromised, but that's not the point. I'm a huge proponent of following the rules and for you to take a simple mistake and twist it into somehow implying I'm scum is despicable and shows you have no sort of integrity of the game.

[Jake from State Farm]

Yeah, scum flip explains everything. Do whatever it takes to lynch a townie, even break the rules. Despicable

[Jake from State Farm]

My role isn't a negative utility. Idk what that even means but wheeee

[Jake from State Farm]

Yeah im in denial land cause there's no reason why a townie would deliberately break the rules like that, especially given the reasoning you used is completely flawed.

You can soft claim, hard claim, or even full claim and idgaf, I don't believe for a second you are town, let alone a PR.

[Jake from State Farm]

Negative utility is that it's existence is a net loss. Like a miller, or a role that is compulsive, or in general disrupts the night game.

Thanks. Yeah my role isn't one but some would say my play can be.

On that note I want to thank RC, you helped me find my old playstyle that I had been trying to find and couldn't. My games this year have sucked and I've been bored and disinterested, until this game. I'm actually having fun again. Thanks for being obvscum on page 1

[Jake from State Farm]

This is because you play in black and white and don't see the world for the grey that it actually is.

Not the first I've heard that about me actually

[Jake from State Farm]

Like I said earlier, town has no reason to be mad at the mod for posting that role pm if its in the game. It doesn't hurt town and only gives town a marginal bit of information. Without it they wouldn't know what kind of investigative role was in the game, but they probably assume their was one as most games do.

I also said it makes no sense for even the gunsmith to be mad cause it doesn't let scum know who has the role.

Your reaction wasn't town as regardless of your role, that info being posted has no bearing to the game.

I've seen scum fake outrage over things like that before, I'm pretty sure I've faked outrage before. That's what it felt like you were doing as like explained, you as town should have no reason to react like you did. Black/white/gray/whatever, your reaction made no sense to me

[Jake from State Farm]

I disagree that I have broken any rules but feel free to report me and let the mod decide. If me posting a pic was somehow against rules then I will take the hit. I don't think it is though.

[Jake from State Farm]

And we aren't lynching RC because he's town.

Explain