Mini 1737: Bringer Mafia [Mafia Win]

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/confirm

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Quite a few people I've had interactions with on this site in this game. This is going to be fun.

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VOTE: Keyser Soze

You know why.

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Who in this game has everyone played with before?

All Alone, Accountant, Slandaar, BlockyMan & Keyser Söze I have either played with or they were involved in a game I modded.

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Quick disclaimer. Keyser will spend most of day one & two tunneling the shit out of me & being completely wrong on my alignment.

You've been warned.

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Is that a scum claim if he calls you town?

Nah. I wouldn't make it THAT easy if I was actually scum.

Keyser is predominantly wrong on me, minus the first game when we were both town.

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Is that a scum claim if he calls you town?

Nah. I wouldn't make it THAT easy if I was actually scum.

Keyser is predominantly wrong on me, minus the first game when we were both town.

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Keyser will spend most of day one & two tunneling the shit out of me & being

completely wrong on my alignment

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After analysing Fraggernaut's ISO I conclude that he is town-aligned...

[FYI: I would have preferred a

''hello Keyser, great to see you again."

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I was disappointed by the lack of fudge brownies.

Scum-slip!

All townies recieved fudge brownies!

VOTE: RadiantCowbells

Hello Keyser, great to see you again. Even though you didn't play in the game I modded

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Fragger, do you have links to Keyser tunneling on you and being wrong or are you scum who knows he's a good scumhunter and want to meta-deflect in advance?

Why would I care if he's a good scum hunter or not since I'm town?

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Also RVS is meh to me. I don't really get too much info off of RVS; But that's just me.

I voted for Keyser cause it's kind of a tradition now in games we play together.

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Fragger, do you have links to Keyser tunneling on you and being wrong or are you scum who knows he's a good scumhunter and

want to meta-deflect in advance

?

That's quite an accusation (#1).

VOTE: TheFuzzylogic99
Serious vote; no RVS vote looks to me like a scum

trying to avoid associations by not voting

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That's quite an accusation (#2).

Keyser what do you make of these accusations?

Also to direct a question you've asked me one game. Why didn't you put a RVS vote on me? I'm slightly offended good sir

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Fragger, do you have links to Keyser tunneling on you and being wrong or are you scum who knows he's a good scumhunter and want to meta-deflect in advance?

Why would I care if he's a good scum hunter or not since I'm town?

Fragger, if you invoke meta on someone, I would like to see some source.

What sources? Not understanding what you're trying to make a reach at here Accountant.

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A lot of quick bandwagons are formed on D1; scum doesn't want to get scrutinized for being on a fishy wagon, or get scrutinized for not being on a popular one. Scum also want to avoid getting associated to their partner in early RVS.

So who do you think is "Associated" so far from RVS?

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VOTE: Vedith

Hasn't done much scumhunting so far; been IIOAing, answering rhetorical questions, commenting on posts rather than actually contributing.

I'm not scum hunting in the first 2 pages of the game
Get out of here! XD

We have already moved mostly out of the RVS stage. What do you think about:

- My accusations?
- Fraggernaut's refusal to give sources for his meta claim about Keyser?
- Fuzzylogic's reluctancy to RVS?
- Keyser Soze's analysis of my posts?

Accountant your claims are far reaches. If you really wanted to dive into meta, you could read my past games.

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A lot of quick bandwagons are formed on D1; scum doesn't want to get scrutinized for being on a fishy wagon, or get scrutinized for not being on a popular one. Scum also want to avoid getting associated to their partner in early RVS.

That's not true...
Scum want to look town and fit in. What do town do day 1? They normally make shit wagons and lynch a townie.
They can also make a new vote on someone, and as it's RVS, it means fuck all.

If we allow the anti town behavior of not participating in RVS to pass by as null, then plenty of scum can refuse to vote and not get suspected. Furthermore, the shit wagons d1 give us a lot of information, so it is not completely pointless.

So accountant do you find inattentiveness to the game scum aligned?

Pedit: So you think I would RVS a scum buddy early game? Or do you think Keyser & myself are town? Or is it one & one?

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Fragger: I think inattentiveness to the game needs to be punished so that scum do not use it as a way to bog down games.

Also, where is the links I asked for? If you don't want to give them, what is your reason?

Finally, I think there is a connection between you and Keyser. Whether Town and Town or scum pre-emptively discrediting a town member or something else remains to be seen. But now we know to watch out for further interactions between the two of you.

Vedith: I agree a good scum will do that. There is no guarunted that fuzzylogic is a good scum.

If Fraggernaut did not refuse to give sources for his claim about Keyser, then what is he doing? I've asked twice and he has not given them, that counts as refusing in my book.

PEdit: Vedith, explain your reasoning for "No."

I already told you. If you're so interested in meta, go look at my past games. Simple as that.

I don't feel inclined to post links to past games for someone else's attempt to meta bury someone.

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So you are refusing to give the links?

What do you mean by meta bury?

Refusing to give links? I just don't care enough to advocate your reach early game.

Trying to bury town early based on Meta. If I really wanted to use Meta, I'd look at your past game you played that I modded.

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Funny enough thing is I have a slight early town lean on Accountant. The good intention is there, but the questioning is weird as hell.

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Except it is you who brought up meta first, by saying that you think Keyser would tunnel you due to past games.

He hasn't so far. He was quick to give me a town read after I said that. Could possibly be because I threw him off his game already. Meaning he could be possible scum. Usually Keyser leans heavy on me throughout the first two days. We exchange words. We share GIFS. Laughs & grievances are had. I call him scum. He calls me scum. We both end up being town. Thus is the life between Keyser & myself. That's basically the "meta" between us.

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Also, I'm not particularly intetested in Keyser's actions in past games. I'm interested in what instances Fragger was thinking of when he said Keyser would tunnel him.

He was quick to give me a town read after I said that. Could possibly be because I threw him off his game already. Meaning he could be possible scum.

"Possibly be", "could be possible scum"; you sound like you want me to think Keyser is scummy(and focus my questioning on him perhaps?) while not actually coming out and saying it.

Usually Keyser leans heavy on me throughout the first two days.

Usually? As in he routinely leans heavily on you early game? You make it sound like it's something both of you are accustomed to - "wake up, receive role PM, see Fragger on player list, tunnel time!"

Not even but it's a good reach again Accountant.

Typically he does go hard on me, so I expect it in a way from his town game.

Also I don't care if you question me cause I've already stated your questioning has been weird & looks pretty fluffy when it comes to "Scum Hunting".

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So accountant do you find inattentiveness to the game scum aligned?

I think inattentiveness is scummy. Town are the ones truly scumhunting, so they need to look through all posts carefully. Scum don't have to follow on the game as closely, they just have to defend themselves/push someone.

Wow, about 4-5 hours and we are at 3 pages worth of content. My previous game was much slower than this, and it is harder to read everything.

Bullet what is your experience if any outside of this site when it comes to Mafia?

Inattentiveness is a poor way to read someone "Town" or "Scum" when it comes to the game of Mafia, in it's forum version. I learned this the hard way myself. What if someone has real life issues going on? A job? Family? A significant other? Do you find Slandaar & anyone else who has yet to confirm or post a lot of content automatic scum based on the amount of times they've posted?

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Also in reference to my last post. I'll stand by & wait as someone tries to accuse me (probably scum) of "coaching". * Grabs popcorn *

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Why does Keyser go harder on you than he does on everyone else? We all have equal chances of drawing scum.

your questioning has been weird & looks pretty fluffy when it comes to "Scum Hunting

By saying my questioning is fluffy, you are implying it is irrelevant or fillerish. Which parts were irrelevant and fillerish? Doesn't this claim contradict your previous assertion that I am reaching, which implies heavily overcommiting to a line of thought/a scumread that doesn't have sufficient evidence. So am I making bland, meaningless posts or am I going in guns blazing at the slightest provocation?

Not at all. I have a slight town lean on you, as already stated. Your actual line of questioning has been fluffy. It seems like you're trying to overcompensate on me not providing links & are reaching for any way to get a in for a mislynch later. Your questions haven't really progressed the game forward thus far. Instead we're going around in a continuous circle that's leading no where. Your posts & questions make it seem like you're providing content, but they haven't actually provided anything in retrospect.

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Also why are we still talking about RVS when it's clearly over?

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So accountant do you find inattentiveness to the game scum aligned?

I think inattentiveness is scummy. Town are the ones truly scumhunting, so they need to look through all posts carefully. Scum don't have to follow on the game as closely, they just have to defend themselves/push someone.

Wow, about 4-5 hours and we are at 3 pages worth of content. My previous game was much slower than this, and it is harder to read everything.

Bullet what is your experience if any outside of this site when it comes to Mafia?

Inattentiveness is a poor way to read someone "Town" or "Scum" when it comes to the game of Mafia, in it's forum version. I learned this the hard way myself. What if someone has real life issues going on? A job? Family? A significant other? Do you find Slandaar & anyone else who has yet to confirm or post a lot of content automatic scum based on the amount of times they've posted?

Have played IRL Mafia before, but this is my second forum Mafia, so the second game where I'm scumhunting.

If someone actually has IRL issues and hence has been inattentive to the game, they would say so in thread.

Oh, and by inattentiveness I don't mean lurking. I mean not paying attention to the game. If someone posts something that would clearly have changed if they had read another post, that is inattentive. Lurkers are still following the game, just not posting; if they aren't, they will catch on, or replace out.

Wouldn't you say inattentiveness & lurking are one in the same? You said you think it's scum aligned.

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@ Accountant Also to answer your question about Keyser. I think he would be more comfortable as scum to try to go hard on me out of everyone due to the fact of our experience together. I think we both have a pretty good read on each other's game. It would be more beneficial for him (as scum) to get a mislynch on me early on to remove me from the game.

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Inattentiveness is posting but not paying attention. Lurking is paying attention (whether at that time or caught on) but not posting.

Noted.

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@Bullet So pushing about your experience in this game is read scummy? Interesting. It seems you are somewhat worried about that question. I asked it because the way you answered about inattentativness being a scummy trait pinged out for me & I've made the same mistake in previous mafia games. It's usually a mistake a newer player would make, not necessarily scum. Therefore I was trying to discern your alignment better.

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What have you actually provided to the game so early on? I would like to hear what privileged information you seem to have.

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My last post was in reference to Bullet's #103.

Also people are reading me scummy. Cool deal.

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@Errant Im typically sarcastic in every game I play.

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CV

Got anything to say about the actual game?

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Hey RCb......
if you are scum again I will bust you, Just saying.Also the game started last night kinda late. Thought it would be fun to goof around a bit. When I woke up I didn't expect to see three pages worth of game.

Accountant seems to be stretching to make points. I am not sure if this is scum testing the waters or town trying to get us out of RVS,,,,,,Overall I find that she is reaching pretty far to make accusations. Well this has been repeated several times and I really don't have anything new to add

I am not sure if I am annoyed or suspicious that Key made a meta reference without giving links. I personally don't like going through a bunch of games to find the meta being referenced. Anyways this could be harmless or could be scum setting up a lynch. I could see this going either way.

Accountant are you knew or is this account an alt????

Wow. Could obvious scum be this obvious?

Hmm..

You do know it was myself that Accountant wanted links from right? Also do you have any other reads so far in this game non-sheeped?

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@Bullet Also you realize I wasn't the first one to state RVS was over right? So are you reading everyone else scummy who has made such a statement?

I like my RVS vote atm.

PS : I'm sorry for my English , As I'm not one ...

I'm sorry for my fake boobs.

Any particular reason why?

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So accountant do you find inattentiveness to the game scum aligned?

I think inattentiveness is scummy. Town are the ones truly scumhunting, so they need to look through all posts carefully. Scum don't have to follow on the game as closely, they just have to defend themselves/push someone.

Wow, about 4-5 hours and we are at 3 pages worth of content. My previous game was much slower than this, and it is harder to read everything.

Also do you not think Scum can appear to scum hunt to seem town? You said Town are the ones truly scumhunting; as if scum wouldn't.

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As to my #120 post to clarify, I was asking why Radiant likes their RVS vote without giving any reason why.

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Blocky is another I've had a few games experience with. He hasn't claimed scum day one yet. So we're off to a good start

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I confirm I am town.

Now you all know I am town as I can't lie in my confirm so I am effectively confirmed town!

Will be back later to read the thread.

Slandaar made a similar post in another game we have experience together in when both of us were town. He was town & I pushed pretty hard on him TvT. Could just be a emulation of his town game or the way he just starts every game. Who knows.

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Keyser Soze seems scummy as town.

Thank you for this meta-defence BlockyMan. A bit

out of the blue

, might I add though.

Quick disclaimer. Keyser will spend most of day one & two tunneling the shit out of me & being completely wrong on my alignment.

You've been warned.

@Fraggernaut. FYI, I did not appreciate this. I've finally concluded it was a paranoid/'bad-town' move by you. Let's move on. x

Why does it have to be a "bad town move"? Maybe it's what has happened the two games we've played together good sir. Was no offense meant behind it. Just letting everyone know our TvT goes pretty hard in the paint.

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Don't mind me. Just getting snug in Parient's pocket.

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Alright this is literally confirmed scum.

VOTE: Fraggernaut

"Literally Confirmed Scum"



You really don't believe that. You can't be that bad.

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Seriously 6 pages and this game is completely worthless.

Slandy really needs to start posting.

Then replace out if you don't like it.

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You heard me maggot.

Enjoy your lynch, scum.

I guess you ARE that bad. Well. This is amusing.

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I would love to hear their case & logic (If there is any) behind why I'm "literally confirmed scum" when they've yet to answer the question I've posed towards them. This should be pretty good with how wrong they are.

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Patient your post lead me to believe you were trying to pocket me.

Also Radiant good luck getting me lynched

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I've already stated I was town. Nice try though

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Whose salty? You're too adorable.

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Radiant reaching for that OMGUS.

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I've pushed a few people already. I've pushed on Bullet who hasn't yet answered my question. I've asked Radiant questions that still haven't been answered.

All Alone it's quite peculiar that you state I'm not trying to figure out the game, yet yourself hasn't either. Those in glass houses...

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No, they look like they give content but don't contribute to the game

Once again. What content have you exactly posted? Cause I'm not finding any.

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So Three people on my wagon thus far are.

-Radiant
-Bullet
- All Alone

I would most likely assume one of the three is scum. I take Radiant's play so far as trolling & not all the serious cause they don't have a case. Bullet & All Alone are living in glass houses with a sack of rocks behind them waiting to start chucking them some more. The fact that All Alone sheeped a horrible read from Bullet makes me lean more to Bullet being my most likely scum target thus far. I don't think the scum team would be dumb enough to have two people on a three person wagon this early. I could be wrong though as I'm prone to be. It's a split between Bullet/All Alone. Unfortunately there's not much to ISO on them this early, because even though they claim I haven't provided any content, they haven't either; It's even safe to say they've provided LESS content then myself; which makes both their votes pretty humerous. I'll look at this closely moving forward.

Here's where All Alone has already slipped.

VOTE: Fraggernaut

IMO it doesn't really seem like he's trying to figure the game out. In particular

Also why are we still talking about RVS when it's clearly over?

is a pretty strange thing for Fraggernaut to complain about when he's still on his RVS vote. A townie who sincerely thought RVS was over would most likely be pushing the player they suspect, but Fragger hasn't.

All Alone says it's weird that I complained about RVS being over, when I wasn't the first one to mention that RVS was over. That was another direct sheep from Bullet when Bullet said the same thing. I questioned Bullet about what he thought about the others who said it before me. If he read them scum. No reply. Here's the funny thing though. All Alone has only posted four times this game. One was a confirm post which is a throw away.

VOTE: Accountant

VOTE: All Alone

Why are you naked voting in RVS? And on a bandwagon no less.

What else am I gonna do? Write a case on a player who hadn't even posted?

Bandwagons are the best way to RVS because they're the fastest way out of RVS.

VOTE: Fraggernaut

IMO it doesn't really seem like he's trying to figure the game out. In particular

Also why are we still talking about RVS when it's clearly over?

is a pretty strange thing for Fraggernaut to complain about when he's still on his RVS vote. A townie who sincerely thought RVS was over would most likely be pushing the player they suspect, but Fragger hasn't.

Which the last quote would be quite hypocritical if you look at the last vote count.

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The job is rough, and the pay is lousy. We lost some good vote counters in this line of work...

Vote Count #1.3:

Vedith (L-6): BulletNLynchProof

Accountant (L-6): All Alone

Keyser Soze (L-6): Fraggernaut

Errantparabola (L-6): Vedith

PatientZer0 (L-5): Frozen Angel, Keyser Soze

BulletNLynchproof (L-5): Errantparabola, PatientZer0

TheFuzzylogicc9 (L-6): Accountant

Fraggernaut (L-6): RadiantCowbells

RadiantCowbells (L-6): BlockyMan


Not Voting: Slandaar

With 13 people alive, it takes 7 to lynch.

V/LA:

None.

Deadline:

(expired on 2015-11-14 01:45:00) [/color][/area]

All Alone is still on their RVS vote as well, nor has made any effort to provide content to this game. Period. So them placing a vote on myself for "not trying to figure out the game" is pretty laughable in itself. If you were just " bandwagoning" a RVS vote to quickly get RVS over with; why haven't you pushed any possible scum yourself? It's not a play that town would make. It's a pity you made yourself this obvious so early on in the game All Alone, especially with possibly outing one of your partners in the process.

VOTE: All Alone

Call it OMGUS all you want. I call it taking care of outed scum.

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Also Blocky I'm unsure with what you're trying to do. It seems like you're trying to coax or buy a town read from me. Is it because of events that have happened in previous games together? Or are these town reads independent to that? It seems like you're pretty gun ho out the gate to town read me to try to win over favors with myself.I don't have a read on you yet this game though.

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No, they look like they give content but don't contribute to the game

Hm. Exactly what I told Accountant. Got anything original?

Could it be as easy as a Bullet/All Alone/Accountant team?

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@Accountant Am I reading them solely on them pushing a bandwagon on me? No. I don't really care who pushes a bandwagon on me. It's the way it was done by being a complete sheep with no logic behind it. Yes, I'm calling them hypocrites. The fact that this claim of me "not providing content" was the exact same thing I said to you which is a association I make between yourself & Bullet, which in turn leads to All Alone. Did you even bother to read my whole post or just cherry pick things you could spin to throw scum? Bullet makes the claim, then All Alone sheep's it after four posts in which they stayed on their RVS vote after claiming they were "bandwagoning" to get RVS with over quickly. Thus that was hypocritical, cause All Alone claims I haven't pushed any of my scum reads; which ironically they haven't either. I don't care about RVS votes. I don't think RVS provides me any information. My RVS vote on Keyser is a long running thing between himself & me when were in games together. Nothing more.

Also you probably should look up the definition of OMGUS cause my post is nothing close to it. Unlike Bullet & All Alone I've actually provided sound logic as to why I'm voting on All Alone because they've made what I believe to be a scum slip. All Alone's vote on me was nothing more then a sheep vote cause they've yet to provide any logic or case behind it in the four posts they've actually made.

You think I was defensive against RC?

I honestly don't care too much about RC's posts because they're clearly trolling early game.

Pretty great though that I got three of my scum leans on my wagon now. This should be fun.

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All Alone is still on their RVS vote as well, nor has made any effort to provide content to this game. Period. So them placing a vote on myself for "not trying to figure out the game" is pretty laughable in itself. If you were just " bandwagoning" a RVS vote to quickly get RVS over with; why haven't you pushed any possible scum yourself? It's not a play that town would make. It's a pity you made yourself this obvious so early on in the game All Alone, especially with possibly outing one of your partners in the process.

I'm not on my RVS vote. My vote is serious, and it just got even more serious. Your case on me doesn't read like a genuine scumhunt at all.

Please show me where your RVS vote on Accountant was "serious" in your four posts that provided absolutely nothing. You kept it on Accountant the whole RVS stage. So this statement is once again false.

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Please give me more votes so I can out my role & show you how dumb you are. K thanks.

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It's the way it was done by being a complete sheep with no logic behind it.

Logic comprises of premises and a conclusion. Observe:

1. Fraggernaut has been making contentless and fluffy posts.

2. People who make contentless and fluffy posts are usually scum.

3. Fraggernaut is scum.


Which of these 3 statements are you arguing with and claiming is bad logic?

The fact that this claim of me "not providing content" was the exact same thing I said to you which is a association I make between yourself & Bullet, which in turn leads to All Alone.

Are you proposing that, I, as scum, was accused of fluffing by you, and my scum buddy Bullet picked up on that and accused YOU of fluffing for reasons I cannot fathom, and my second scum buddy All Alone decided to sheep him, and then I decided to sheep

her

, leading to all three scum on a town wagon on page 8? Is that what you think happened?

Thus that was hypocritical, cause All Alone claims I haven't pushed any of my scum reads; which ironically they haven't either.

So you do not deny that you haven't pushed any of your scum reads before All Alone called you out on it?

Fraggernaut, I think post 198 was extremely, extremely defensive. You repeatedly attack Bullet and All Alone to the extent of even going to draw pre-flip associations between them and me, then claim they are merely "scum leans". From the way you were talking, I would have expected you to list us three as confirmed scum. I think that RC has struck gold in her D1 accusations again.

moar votes on fragger plz

Accountant pulling the accusations out of thin air. Love it.

Do I think at least two are on my wagon? Now I do.

Where have you posted that wasn't fluff? Also you have no comment on my logically sound catch of All Alone's slip & were pretty quick to defend the slip.

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Please give me more votes so I can out my role & show you how dumb you are.

Are you really fucking softclaiming right now.

Hm. That's the fun of all this. Is it not?

Your vote is on me without logic. L2 is a pretty tight spot without a claim eh? Do you risk it?

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Just one more vote and you can "out your role and show us how dumb we are".

Who said I would completely out? You've yet to see the irony In your vote. Why as scum would I bring this much attention on myself early game? I certainly wouldn't if I was actually scum. Maybe you should go do a meta dive & learn about my play.

Pedit: Yet you're perfectly fine letting Radiant & others troll a whole page cause it takes the spotlight off you. Right Accountant?

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Perhaps I am what I am. Or am willing to take a role bullet. Either way I'm always beneficial to town. I hope others in the game look at this wagon & see who is on it especially after I'm pretty sure I've caught at least two scum on it.

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Top 4 scum.

1. Bullet
2. All Alone
3. Accountant
4. Frozen

Pretty sure there's two in there. Especially cause a trigger happy scum would be quick to jump on that statement to try to PR hunt.

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If you weren't defensive against RC, You are defensive right now.

I can't accept this as a town move , and the way you soft claimed ..........

VOTE: Fraggernaut he is in L2 I guess

Lets see how will you react under more pressure ...

Also it's pretty bad play for Frozen to put me at L2 without stating intent cause scum can quick hammer a mislynch right here. So always look at Frozen as well.

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@Accountant who have I naked voted on? No one. I've gave sound logic for my vote on All Alone & backed it up. Who have I tried to quick hammer? No one. Cause I believe in leaving my vote in one spot until something pings put weird to me, thus making me change my vote. Your example is null & void cause it represents in no way my play.

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@Frozen Pressure doesn't bother me at all. I welcome it.

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I also want to hear more from Slandaar, Fuzzy, & Errant.

Also I need to look at Vedith more.

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A lot of quick bandwagons are formed on D1; scum doesn't want to get scrutinized for being on a fishy wagon, or get scrutinized for not being on a popular one. Scum also want to avoid getting associated to their partner in early RVS.

That's not true...
Scum want to look town and fit in. What do town do day 1? They normally make shit wagons and lynch a townie.
They can also make a new vote on someone, and as it's RVS, it means fuck all.

Indeed they do Vedith. Indeed they do.

In reference to that second line.

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You can talk to me all you want. I've answered questions you've posed. Seems pretty counter-productive not to want to talk to other town.

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The thing is, I don't think you're town. The attitude you are espousing is also irritating to talk to and the way you answer my questions is sarcastic and you also refuse to give me real information. For example, instead of building an actual case against All Alone and Bullet, you tend to repeatedly call them hypocrites and talk about how they are scumwagoning you. This is a bad thing. Unless you have something new to share, I'm not interested in hearing your shit repeated a second time.

I gave you a case in my ISO of what little All Alone has provided so far. It's not my fault you refuse to look at it.

Did I not say that my play I'm always sarcastic. Sorry. Thought a player would have thicker skin when it comes to the game.

It's kinda amusing how irritated you are right now with not being able to push your agenda & scum further on me. You seem to be frustrated & are now trying to backpeddle slowly off this wagon to save face. You've been reaching for quite a bit of this game. I've gave you real information, you just are so close minded that you can't read between the lines or just plain out refuse to even attempt to see my view of logic.

[Fraggernaut]

Fragger, one question.

What is your read on Accountant and why?

I had a slight town read on Accountant early in the day. It's waning now & going more the other way. The way Accountant, All Alone & Bullet jumped on this wagon was very weird to me. Bullet jumped on. All Alone sheeped it. Then Accountant comes through with some lame duck vote. It all seems to be done rather quickly. I still think AT LEAST one of the three are scum.

[Fraggernaut]

Hey Fragger, you literally just said you wanted people to engage with you. I'm engaging with you.

What is your read on Accountant and why?

Apologies. I had logged off for just a bit.

[Fraggernaut]

@Bullet

You said

No, the reason why I find you scummy is because I don't currently see how you are contributing to the game.

@Vedith #103 is at Fraggernaut

I asked

What have you actually provided to the game so early on? I would like to hear what privileged information you seem to have.

I also asked

@Bullet Also you realize I wasn't the first one to state RVS was over right? So are you reading everyone else scummy who has made such a statement?

I ask again in my #192

No, they look like they give content but don't contribute to the game

Once again. What content have you exactly posted? Cause I'm not finding any.

In my #195 if you had any original reads that were your own.

No, they look like they give content but don't contribute to the game

Hm. Exactly what I told Accountant. Got anything original?

Could it be as easy as a Bullet/All Alone/Accountant team?

[Fraggernaut]

@Radiant

Do you still believe this?

Yes, I think Accountant's antitown=scum pushing is absolute nonsense and she's as fake as her gender.

If not. How has your read changed on Accountant & why?

[Fraggernaut]

@Post 235: I don't see where is the post where you actually talk about Bullet's accusation that you are not providing original content. All you did was deflect and then go "what about YOUR content, huh?"

Also Fraggernaut still hasn't posted anything of content, his posts are actually worse then Vedith now, who is answering questions.

UNVOTE: Vedith
VOTE: Fraggernaut

(p.s. I do most posting on mobile so it's more convenient for me to multi-post than multi-quote)

[Fraggernaut]

You seem to be frustrated & are now trying to backpeddle slowly off this wagon to save face. You've been reaching for quite a bit of this game. I've gave you real information,

you just are so close minded that you can't read between the lines or just plain out refuse to even attempt to see my view of logic.

You can talk to me all you want. I've answered questions you've posed. Seems pretty counter-productive not to want to

talk to other town

.

These statements both underline the fact that Fraggernaut is townreading Accountant.

Fraggernaut instead claimed to scumread her, most likely because he expected that I'd be interested in pushing a wagon there.

This is scum.

Because I said town would want to talk to other town which only benefits my win-con as town? Since Accountant clearly stated she was done talking about it; she doesn't want to talk to me (town) which makes her scum. Nice try at spinning it though Radiant. Anything else you want to try to mis-rep?

[Fraggernaut]

I think Fragger is scum. I want to see him at L-1 with intent to hammer, and then we'll see what claim he's going to pull out of his ass.

Accountant keep trying to tunnel it's cute.

You're so bad right now it hurts me in the loins.

You're partially handcuffed to this tunnel now. Throw away the key

@Radiant That makes no sense lmao. Wow you're quite a donkey. I'm obviously town here cause I know what role PM I received. Therfore if Scum Accountant doesn't want to talk to me , when I'm town, that goes against my town win-con.

[Fraggernaut]

Also when I flip green. Know Radiant & Accountant single handily already threw this game OR are just scum with either Bullet or All Alone. Easy game. Easy Life.

[Fraggernaut]

Wow you're quite a donkey.

There's no need for this sort of personal attack even if you feel upset.

Whose upset? I'm actually pretty flabbergasted that someone with as many games played could be this bad at town. I don't buy it which can only mean that I was probably wrong on one between Bullet, All Alone & yourself. There's no way someone with this much experience is this bad as town. The world I'm living in has to be Radiant/Accountant with a outside of Bullet or All Alone.

[Fraggernaut]

I didn't call Frozen out?

Top 4 scum.

1. Bullet
2. All Alone
3. Accountant
4. Frozen

Pretty sure there's two in there. Especially cause a trigger happy scum would be quick to jump on that statement to try to PR hunt.

If you weren't defensive against RC, You are defensive right now.

I can't accept this as a town move , and the way you soft claimed ..........

VOTE: Fraggernaut he is in L2 I guess

Lets see how will you react under more pressure ...

Also it's pretty bad play for Frozen to put me at L2 without stating intent cause scum can quick hammer a mislynch right here. So always look at Frozen as well.

Keep Mis-repping Radiant. Your feet are becoming shackled now.

[Fraggernaut]

Right sure you were after realizing you're not going to be able to mis-rep me cause I can back my statements up. Keep try harding.

[Fraggernaut]

That's two times now you've mis-repped me. A heavy scum trait. Tsk tsk Radiant.

[Fraggernaut]

Time to go ahead & post some reads

Town:

Keyser Soze

- Town lean. I like Keyser early game, but this is subjected to change at any time. He's actively asking questions & for the most part seems like he's trying to scum hunt. Originally I thought it was weird that he was so quick to give me a town read when I talked about the play between himself & me, but he claims he was joking, so eh. This hasn't so far been a typical Keyser game; so I don't really have much else to go off. He's taking into account the questions & statements I've had to make instead of instantly trying to discredit them; which makes me lean more town on him. Also Keyser says I'm being defensive & trying to survive, which he knows I do as

TOWN

when scum is trying to mislynch me as it the case right now. He's seen it in two games I've played with him, which makes me be more apt to lean town right now on Keyser.

Vedith

- Slight Town lean. Even though Vedith hasn't posted as much content, I still like them as town for the way they questioned Accountant's early push on the refusal to give links. Also I like Vedith's explanation of how scum would most likely attempt to try to fit in, & try to appease the other town but saying exactly what they want to hear. There isn't too much more from Vedith outside of a few pretty decent questions; but I'm getting a decently good town vibe off of them right now which is where my slight town read is coming from.

PatientZero

- Very slight town lean. Their #136 analysis was decently solid on Bullet, I liked it. I also liked PatientZero's #155 just because of the Lulz it gave me. PatientZero's posts for the most part have been short & sweet, but looks like a town perspective trying to figure out this game to me. Patient's #242 was also very solid, something I believe a town would say as they view this game.

Nulls:

Blockyman

- I have had two previous experiences with Blocky, neither of the two were that outstanding. He hasn't posted much in the way of contributing to the game so I want to see more from him. From what I have seen so far from him, he's pretty nullish; maybe a very very very slight town lean. His #124 & #171 seemed like he was trying to coax or buy a town read from myself & Keyser. He left a pretty naked vote on Radiant in #173, then has for the most part disappeared the rest of the game. Would like see more.

Errant

- Hasn't done much of anything. Explained in his #108 why he wasn't getting a town vibe from Bullet's response, then followed that with a vote on Bullet. Since then has been inactive. Need to see more.

Slandaar

- Came into the game, & posted what I assume to be a paragraph he posts at the beginning of every game. Hasn't posted since.

FuzzyLogic

- Made one substantial post in his #116. Hasn't contributed anything since.

Frozen Angel-

Frozen kind of null here with a pretty substantial slight scum lean. They placed me into L2 without stating intent which was very bad in my opinion. Said I was being "defensive" & used that as a excuse to put a vote on me placing me at L2 without stating intent. Frozen's #266 was decent for the most part. I can understand putting pressure on someone under votes; not in the way they put me at L2 though. The only credit I give Frozen is noticing that Radiant is probably just a troll. Which is pretty much a true statement.

Scum:

In no particular order of scumminess cause I believe them to be all equal.

Radiant

- Radiant's #115 post was pretty telling. I questioned if Radiant still thought the same about it, no response. Radiant's #138 was so ungodly awful that its embarrassing. Places a vote on me as "confirmed scum" without even providing a case; and still not providing one even now. Originally I thought Radiant was just a troll, but now I think they're just

MAFIA

with Accountant, & one on the outside of Bullet/All Alone. Radiant tried to mis-rep me in both their #238 post as well as their #244 post which Is a heavy sided scum trait. I've provided very substantial backings to these mis-reps thus proving Radiant wrong again on their horrible tunnel.

Accountant

- Accountant was disappointed by their role PM cause they know they rolled Mafia. Accountant spent most of early day one yelling about wanting links & talking about meta. Even after the fact when I had already dropped the topic & expressed I didn't care enough about Accountant's attempts to bury someone, they kept on which leads to a naked vote on me in Accountant's #197 post; right after Accountant expressed concerns that they thought Bullet was scum at the end of their #196 post. For the rest of the day Accountant has attempted to discredit every single substantial & factual backing I have provided to their bs. Also Accountant seemed to be getting irritated by not being able to bury me, that they want to backpedal of their claim & vote but they cant because it was so awful and shackling.

All Alone

- All Alone hasn't done much at all other then to sheep Bullet's vote on me. Followed by their #190 post which state's I'm not trying to "figure the game out" or not "pushing the players" I suspect. The fact that All Alone made no substantial posts before this naked vote, is all the more telling. I posted my analysis of their slip, because in fact that were on their RVS vote (Later they tried to claim was a serious vote), and haven't pushed any of their own reads. I don't feel town would ever make this player especially knowing they themselves have done absolutely nothing when it comes to this game. It's to me, a very obvious & pretty awful slip from All Alone who was trying to most likely sheep off their partner Bullet because they have limited or none at all scum experience here on the forums.

Bullet

- Has recently came off their vote on me, but still doesn't change the fact that I believe between the four of himself, All Alone, Accountant, & Radiant we have AT LEAST one if not TWO scum hidden in that circle. I believe two got caught in the middle of this thing, & couldn't find a way to get themselves out of it because of the way I purposely brought attention to it. Early on Bullet ignored most of the questions I posed at him, which had me leaning scum on him. His #185 was egregious. He claims I haven't provided any content to my post, which is a blatant & outright lie. He then tells Blocky that I haven't posted anything with content, and its all for show. The EXACT same thing I just said earlier Accountant. Hmmm. I questioned Bullet about this & he didn't answer the question again. He finally makes somewhat of a attempt to answer some of my earlier questions in his #258 post but it's already after the fact.

[Fraggernaut]

@Keyser

In response to your question in your #263. I do believe it's possible. I think two of the scum got trapped without a way to get themselves out of their claim. As I said in my reads, I believe they were trying to sheep a vote, because of a possible minimum experience at playing scum. They already got themselves attached to the claim without a possible way to backpedal & get themselves out of it without losing face. I wouldn't say there's any paranoia at all.

In response to your #268. I do believe there was enough to get it pushed to L2 at least. Maybe even L1 as it almost was. I've by far been the most active in the game thus far, so there isn't much else for anyone to go on. I think it's pretty laughable that someone thinks I would be this forthcoming & active as scum, when I never am unless I am TOWN, which is what I am this game. It was already proven that it could get to L2 & L1. I welcomed the votes because I don't change my play under pressure of votes, because I know I am of the good alignment.

[Fraggernaut]

So fragger, you are NOT basing your keyser read on meta?

My read on Keyser thus far has been based on his actions, this game.

Do you have a answer to this Blocky?

Also Blocky I'm unsure with what you're trying to do. It seems like you're trying to coax or buy a town read from me. Is it because of events that have happened in previous games together? Or are these town reads independent to that? It seems like you're pretty gun ho out the gate to town read me to try to win over favors with myself.I don't have a read on you yet this game though.

[Fraggernaut]

Frozen kind of null here with a pretty substantial slight scum lean. They placed me into L2 without stating intent which was very bad in my opinion. Said I was being "defensive" & used that as a excuse to put a vote on me placing me at L2 without stating intent. Frozen's #266 was decent for the most part. I can understand putting pressure on someone under votes; not in the way they put me at L2 though.

What is this Fraggernaut?!

I literally have no idea what you just said 3 times repeatedly : they placed you in L2 (no I put you there alone) which is really bad for you (why?!!!if your town being under pressure and getting out of there make more people trust you, and your not afraid of it) and its bad in your opinion (your afraid of something? Is it a kind of confess?)

I said you're being defensive and I declared I'm putting you in L2 to put you under pressure. (without saying intent ...!)?!

My post 266 was decent for the most part : so your accept you played defensive and your afraid of something ? and You didn't even answer the question I asked you there.

What was different about the way I put you in pressure? Your kind of black wooly bear I must be afraid of?

Why would I be afraid of one of my scum leans putting me at L2? It was pretty bad when you didn't state intent. You put me at L2 & then after the fact said something along the lines of "Oh that's L2" like it was a afterthought. I'm fairly confident in defending myself. I can be defensive it seems at times but I'm really just always like that when it comes to my town game.

[Fraggernaut]

Hmm. Feels a bit reachy.

Fraggernaut has been scum-reading nearly everyone interacting with him: from the people on his wagon, and the players town-reading him (suspecting being "pocketed"). This shouts paranoid-townie to me. For me he only wins scum-points for not engaging with players 'outside his focus'.

I fully agree he's scumreading everyone else that's reading him, however it should be evident that at that point he was townreading Accountant. Town!Fragger, even if paranoid about the wagon, would have diverted suspicion to one of the two people voting him that he was scumreading (All Alone / Bullet), which would have merited a townread; however he didn't and instead decided that he was willing to lean scum on Accountant because he assumed I was interested in pushing the wagon.

Not even true in the slightest. Keep lying Radiant.

[Fraggernaut]

It was pretty bad when you didn't state intent. You put me at L2 & then after the fact said something along the lines of "Oh that's L2" like it was a afterthought.

people you judge about this please ...

If you weren't defensive against RC, You are defensive right now.

I can't accept this as a town move , and the way you soft claimed ..........

VOTE: Fraggernaut he is in L2 I guess

Lets see how will you react under more pressure ...

Which is after the fact. Like L2 wasn't as important as it should be. You casually just put something at L2 after the fact.

[Fraggernaut]

Its still bad play to put someone at L2 after the fact. So you think "something to hide" is only scum? I've breadcrumbed quite a bit already. Unfortunate you still haven't picked it up.

[Fraggernaut]

Yeah Yeah , Im awake.....

I like waiting it out rather than than quick lynch as you have longer connection between the two scum. On the short hand its not helpful but on the long term basis it can help catch scum. Plus it lets town set up for night actions if there need to do so.


Ok so I will read the notes and be back in a few with my thoughts

Waiting it out as scum to watch a mislynch? Or waiting it out as town?

[Fraggernaut]

Her way of attack may cause people to defend themselves .

Defending yourself is completely right. playing defensive is what I call scummy. He just says how RC is playing bad and how invalid are RC's posts are. He calls all his voters scummy and clearly soft role claiming.

If he had nothing to fear about what is this afraid tone coming from?

Hm, I think your definitions here are a littler weird and I don't think you are right in that analysis, but that unsettling hard soft claim was really not necessary and makes him seem considerably more scummy.

Not sure which "hard soft claim" you are referring to cause I've made neither. I've breadcrumbed a few things with word choice but that's it. If you believe me to be something else you're mistaken. My initial posts about a claim were not a soft.

[Fraggernaut]

I love how wrong All Alone & Accountant are. It's too adorable. It makes it so much better cause they actually think they're right.

All Alone & Accountant have tunneled on me for a good bit now, & still have yet to realize that they won't get the votes on me. Especially once they realize what I've breadcrumbed in my posts. If any town hasn't found it yet, they need to go back & look. This wagon is pointless & a waste of time.

[Fraggernaut]

"they actually think they're right."

HAHAHAHAHA YOU SLIPPED AND ADMITTED ACCOUNTANT AND I ARE GENUINE

PILE VOTES ON FRAGGER FOR THE TURBOLYNCH, THANKS

You think you're right as in you're dead wrong on my alignment yet continue to try to tunnel me when your wagon is falling apart. It's cute though.

@Frozen in response to your #342. I still think there's at least one between All Alone/Accountant/Bullet & Radiant. So yes I'm still scum reading them. Their continue attempts to tunnel me may just be VI but out of the four there's at least one if not two scum.

@Vedith Your #345 is weird af. Why are you asking someone else if you should change your read on someone? This could be considered a form of apeasement to appear towny to others. It's like saying "what do you want from me" which is usually from a scum perspective.

[Fraggernaut]

I still would like to know if Blocky is independently reading me town just based on this game, or if he is reading me town just solely based on previous game experiences in a attempt to try to sway me over to his side or pocket me. So far his repeated attempts to try defend me leave me skeptical & are lacking any real content other then "I'm town" In regards to his read on me.

@Vedith Noted. A lot of what I say in game sarcastically is taken serious. Things such as "how should I read someone?" could easily be seen as a scum trying to fit in amongst the town as people try to repeatedly get me mislynched.

@Slandaar How are you reading me compared between our last encounter? Also how are you reading the main perpetrators on my wagon trying to force my mislynch?

I also pose that last question to Slandaar to Fuzzy, Blocky, & Errant as I haven't heard much out of them. Also anyone I might of missed.

[Fraggernaut]

Also

@Keyser What are your thoughts on the Bullet counter-wagon?

[Fraggernaut]

Keyser will spend most of day one & two tunneling the shit out of me & being

completely wrong on my alignment.

My town-lean on Fraggernaut makes the above statement even more amusing now

Don't be too salty now

That was said more as a joke.

[Fraggernaut]

@Mod

VC please & Thank you.

[Fraggernaut]

@Keyser

A lot of the quotes in your #352 post are incomplete or taken out of context. Such as when I had a slight town lean on Accountant that was very early game. As the day progressed & I analyzed Accountant's game, my read on them changed. Such is what the game of Mafia is all about. It's a solid analysis & I'm still reading you pretty town, but the post itself has some flaws.

[Fraggernaut]

Phone post here.

Accountants #382 is false. There isn't a consensus on my lynch. Four people terribly have tried to tunnel on me & one (Bullet) is no longer on the wagon as it falls apart. I don't know any town perspective that speaks for everyone else in the game.

To Accountant's #383. Yes Keyser is still one of my town reads, as I've stated beforehand.As for the way Keyser presented his analysis is where I have a issue. He posted it as one came immediately after the other when it comes to my read on you.

[Fraggernaut]

Also on Blockys scum meter I thought I'd at least get a 5. That's disappointing.

[Fraggernaut]

This Bullet wagon is lazy and awful. I really don't get any sense of disingenuity out of his reads.

BlockyMan reads like scum. He's vote parking on Cowbells hard and it really doesn't seem to bother him at all that nobody else is following him. He's not doing anything to push a wagon on Cowbells. I doubt a townie would be okay with nobody voting their top scum read like he is. But as scum trying to avoid attention, Blocky's play makes a lot more sense.

Fraggernaut is still today's lynch though. On top of everything else I've mentioned, the "DID I MENTION I HAVE A SOFTCLAIM IN THE PAST FIVE MINUTES" stuff he's pulling is just flagrantly phony. Town PRs have two motives that they have to choose between: making their role known to the town, and keeping their role secret from scum. Fragger's loud softclaiming doesn't benefit either one of those motives. If he wanted his role secret from scum, he wouldn't be advertising it this loudly. And if he wanted his role known to the town, he wouldn't be so vague about what his role is. It reads like he wants to scare town into not voting him because he might be a PR, but doesn't want to actually claim a PR because he doesn't know which claims are safe.

The fact that you want a hard claim day one makes me read you even more scummy. There is no way this logic comes from town especially when you're trying to out a PR while hiding it behind a disguise. This is a pretty bad form of trying to PR hunt while making it look like you're scum hunting.

Why would I need to try to scare my other townies? Your wagon is weak & falling apart regardless of how hard you're trying to bury me.

[Fraggernaut]

I still want to lynch Fraggernaut. But if you people don't want to lynch Fragger(why?!), I think we should go for Blocky, Fuzzy(mayybe) or Slandaar.

Back pedaling faster then Michael Jackson in a thriller video.

[Fraggernaut]

I'm also pretty sure the way he attacked the PatientZer0 wagon without really addressing any of the people makes Fragger scum as well, but I think that Patient scumflip confirms Fragger way harder than vice versa so this is what I'm going to vote today.

Who?

[Fraggernaut]

Bulletproof's case on me is basically a huge misrepresentation considering that I never IIOA'd and while I had a lot of non game related posts at the time I actually had quite a bit more content than most players, and his Fragger case is generic and just accuses him of AtEing and OMGUSing without explaining why either of them are scummy. Then the AA case basically says that he's town and then became scum for lurking and a vague reference to scum meta without (again) explaining why he's scum for it, and now AA has had a ton of content and he's still a scumread.

That's absolute shit.

I have explained. Thanks again for not reading. Top notch

Also I'm responding as I read on my phone. Driving home

[Fraggernaut]

I'm also pretty sure the way

PatientZer0

attacked the

Fraggernau

t wagon without really addressing any of the people makes Fragger scum as well, but I think that Patient scumflip confirms Fragger way harder than vice versa so this is what I'm going to vote today.

So are you not reading Slandaar for the exact reason?

[Fraggernaut]

Accountant's still town, FrozenAngel is probably town as well. Pretty sure AA is as well.

Bulletproof's readlist was weird as fuck and I get the definite impression that he's trying to keep all push options available.

Slandaar is usually fucking obvious town by this point and this game he's not, but I've actually never seen Slandy's scum game so I'm not sure whether I should be thinking about him yet.

In your #403 you're unsure about what to think in regards to Slandaar or if you should even be thinking about him.

Like, I flat out will not use Mega Zam or MMY simply because I'm completely fucking fed up with games being thrown over stupid focus blast misses.

I want to run Victini just to Victory Star the accuracy up, christ.

I still want to lynch Fraggernaut. But if you people don't want to lynch Fragger(why?!), I think we should go for Blocky, Fuzzy(mayybe) or Slandaar.

I'm still fully down for a Slandaar lynch but I want to see what happens here.

I note that you did not express any support for a P0 lynch.

Wow, I got IIOA and shitposting messed up. I had been assuming they were the same, but the difference is that IIOA is talking facts about the game without analysis, while shitposting is posting non-game related stuff *cough song cough*

That entire post and that's what you chose to respond to?

Who/What is Focus Blast?

http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/ ... ast_(move)

Just thirteen posts later in #420 you stste that you're "still fully down" for a Slandaar lynch.

I am scumreading Slandy actually, except for the fact that his opening post was incredibly towny.

But it's nowhere near as strong a wagon as P0 or yourself.

Now you're scum reading Slandaar suddenly?

[Fraggernaut]

I note that you did not express any support for a P0 lynch.

Saying nothing until I see Patient's response to your accusations.

The fact that you want a hard claim day one makes me read you even more scummy. There is no way this logic comes from town especially when you're trying to out a PR while hiding it behind a disguise. This is a pretty bad form of trying to PR hunt while making it look like you're scum hunting.

Scum doesn't care what the exact role of the PR is. If they know you are a PR, they will off you. And they already know you are a PR beccause you keep fucking softclaiming. So scum!AA has no reason to role fish like this.

I mean, hard claims are usually what happens when a PR gets pushed to L-1, right?

Posts like this don't make it any more obvious?

[Fraggernaut]

Why the fuck is everyone backpedaling off Fragger? Did he grow less scummy all of a sudden?

Cause you're so wrong & refuse to reassess anyone which is scummy.

[Fraggernaut]

Would be excellent if a good portion of players who agreed to join this game would actually take part in the game. Having multiple lurkers only harms town.

[Fraggernaut]

@Mod

Can we get a prod update on Fuzzy please?

[Fraggernaut]

@Keyser What do you think of the people who hopped off my wagon first? In a world where there is at least one or two that were on my wagon; is the scum still on my wagon or off it?

[Fraggernaut]

Would be excellent if a good portion of players who agreed to join this game would actually take part in the game. Having multiple lurkers only harms town.

This is a pro town comment, just saying.

Pro town yes, but it can be said by both town or scum. Thus null, just saying.

Do you honestly believe I would say this as scum? You thought the same thing either the first or second game we played together & it lead to you getting me mislynched as town. I'm going to take this with a grain of salt.

[Fraggernaut]

@Keyser I have a question for you. May be considered a Meta question or one to stroke my own ego but I'm going to ask it. Do you honestly believe that myself, with only four or five completed games (all as town) that I have the capability to 100% replicate or emulate my town game as scum?

[Fraggernaut]

Pro town yes, but it can be said by both town or scum. Thus null, just saying.

I don't think you understand how to give or take town points to/from people

Anything done CAN be done by either align.

This is a pro town comment. He gets town points. Not enough to be in my town part though.

Yes,

it is a Pro Town comment

, but why couldn't scum have made that observation? That is an easy town-point to give out.

Anyway, Fraggernaut isn't even in your 'town pile'.

Do you honestly believe I would say this as scum? You thought the same thing either the first or second game we played together & it lead to you getting me mislynched as town. I'm going to take this with a grain of salt.

I wasn't calling you scum you (your wagon is looking quite tempting now do you think before you hit Submit? Seriously.) I'm saying that just because it is a pro-town thing to say, it doesn't mean that it's coming from town. It is null.

Scum would be more worried about thinking before they post from my perspective because they're more worried about what the town thinks of them. I post my thoughts & what I'm thinking as I see fit.

[Fraggernaut]

@Frozen so saying you're town is scummy? That's pretty laughable.

[Fraggernaut]

I was just trying to give you some space to prove your not scum. see my 494

You just throw that away by claiming again.

And I never assumed you as a town member. I just had a theory you just sabotaged.

I have proven it.

Who claimed? Please show me a "Claim".

[Fraggernaut]

@Keyser do you have a answer to my #537?

[Fraggernaut]

I was just trying to give you some space to prove your not scum. see my 494

You just throw that away by claiming again.

And I never assumed you as a town member. I just had a theory you just sabotaged.

I have proven it.

Who claimed? Please show me a "Claim".

seriously?! Check your Iso. There is not a single post not screaming "I am Town" or "Don't lynch me townies!" or "Scum won't play like me ..."

Once again you see saying "Im town" as being scummy? Do explain please.

[Fraggernaut]

BlockyMan
PatientZer0
Fragger

There you go Keyer, I present the scum!

UNVOTE: BnLP
VOTE: Fragger

Any reasoning?

You've done a complete 180 it seems on your reads.

[Fraggernaut]

@Mod

Prod status on Errant please.

[Fraggernaut]

Any reasoning?

You've done a complete 180 it seems on your reads.

Explain how I have done a 180?
Show me where I said you were in the town slot. If not, don't lie to me!

Did I ever say I said you thought I was a town slot? You've wish washed on me a good portion of day one. Now you're okay voting on me without providing any logic. I'm sure you'll say you don't have to or give you a reason why you should provide it. Which leads to the irony of people saying I've been defensive this game without pointing your defensiveness out as well. Mind you I've also had a town read on you for a good part of this day.

[Fraggernaut]

UNVOTE: Errant - You live for now!
VOTE: BulletNLynchproof

I'm not feeling the Fraggernaut votes to be honest.

Is BlockyMan's vote serious or RVS?

Not "feeling the Fraggernaut votes to be honest" in #370

then...

Would be excellent if a good portion of players who agreed to join this game would actually take part in the game. Having multiple lurkers only harms town.

This is a pro town comment, just saying.

Pro town yes, but it can be said by both town or scum. Thus null, just saying.

I don't think you understand how to give or take town points to/from people

Anything done CAN be done by either align.

This is a pro town comment. He gets town points. Not enough to be in my town part though.

BlockyMan
PatientZer0
Fragger

There you go Keyer, I present the scum!

UNVOTE: BnLP
VOTE: Fragger

Alongside Radiant, another instance where someone is saying something but their actions are completely different.

[Fraggernaut]

what the heck, Radiant isnt getting lynched anytime soon, might as well go with SR number 2. No one put him at L-1, its too early for that.
VOTE: BulletNLynchProof

I REALLY DONT LIKE HOW RADIANT HOPPED ON THE BIGGEST WAGON, AND I REEEEALLY WANT RADIANT GONE

I'm willing to policy lynch this slot fwiw.

Blocky or Bullet?

[Fraggernaut]

180 means that I reversed my read on you.
Opposite to scum? I think Town...

Keep in mind, I wasn't against your lynch.

You only have a town read on me because as scum, you know who is town. And you want to buddy with me to help mis lynch.

I've had a town read on you since right before my #281, so your statement is a lie.

[Fraggernaut]

@Vedith You've also flip flopped on quite a few votes already today.

[Fraggernaut]

@Vedith I have no interest in buddying up to you first off. I simply stated I had a early town read on you. In a theory if I was scum why would I buddy up to you if you said yourself you're basically useless to me? I feel like scum would try to buddy up to a player like Keyser who is pretty well town read from most everyone in this game. Your logic makes it seem as if you're trying to tell everyone else how to play the game which is anti-town.

[Fraggernaut]

OK, so it has been agreed on that Fraggernaut has soft claimed a PR. So I would like to ask everyone, do you believe his soft claim, and do you think he should be lynched today, and do you think he should be unwagobed?

Personally I think I lean towards believing, but if he doesn't die tonight he is more likely to be scum. (Of course now I've mentioned it scum would avoid this, but I need to be fair so I need to give my own personal opinion)

I have never seen town softclaim a generic PR, and can't think of a town motive to do so. He should definitely be lynched today.

How many games have you seen on site? I've seen generic PRS claimed quite often in games.

[Fraggernaut]

Also Bullet how can you say I should definently be the lynch when you were the very first to back pedal off my wagon?

[Fraggernaut]

Correction that wad All Alone. I stand corrected.

[Fraggernaut]

Also how is me voting Vedith scummy after what he just did. Then, he tries to shift the mass of scum he was accumulating onto me because he played with me one game and said I am definitely playing like that game and I was scum -_-. That's a bunch of bullshit and you both know it.

I got a strong OMGUS vibe from it. It's like something Fragger would do, except a bit less obvious appeal to emotions.

anyway, accountant what are your reads currently?

I'll do a list.

Except I haven't OMGUSed so please, continue being bad.

[Fraggernaut]

Ill be back in a jiffy to catch up.

[Fraggernaut]

VOTE: All Alone

Call it OMGUS all you want. I call it taking care of outed scum.

Except I haven't OMGUSed so please, continue being bad.

Really, how much more evidence do we need that Fraggernaut is disingenuous?

I said call it OMGUS if YOU wanted to, cause it's not. Also like the fact that you left out the rest of the context of that quote to fit your agenda. Of course you're calling OMGUS cause you're salty that you slipped up after sheeping Bullet.

[Fraggernaut]

@Mod

Is there any extensions on the deadline with the replacements coming in?

[Fraggernaut]

We have 30 hours left to decide a lynch cadidate. Can we hammer Fraggernaut now?

Negatory cause your wagon is still weak.

[Fraggernaut]

It's pretty amusing that Accountant has been absolutely obsessed with mislynching me this entire day. I wonder what excuse they'll come up with after I'm killed in the night after being completely outed by dumb town.

[Fraggernaut]

@accountant

All alone being town shows scum likely split evenly on the wagons.
All alone being scum means Fraggernaut and BnL more likely town. No way both are scum.

There's no reason to think this isn't Space mafia Fraggernaut.

Where essentially I was tunneled on for three days as town. Seems like this will be the same.

[Fraggernaut]

I'm having trouble understanding Fragger. He claims I intend to mislynch him, which implies that he's town. But he's not town, so this is impossible.

Or I'm town & you're either VI or just scum. I'm betting on the latter.

[Fraggernaut]

It could be because Bleeding is trying to stop the wagon on his scumbuddy and push it on AA instead.

Which would be true if I was actually scum which I'm not. Can't wait for your apology post game when you realize how bad you are.

[Fraggernaut]

@Accountant Also remember anything said in game has no dication on my personal opinion of you. Just a disclaimer

I'm a policy lynch now Keyser? You go out your way to town read me then call me a policy lynch. A odd tactic from you I must say. Why do you believe I'm a policy lynch?

Also I've already been outed so either A. Scum is going to kill me in the night because of what I may be or B. They'll leave me alive knowing that I'm a easy and for sure mislynch tomorrow.

Out of those two options my flip today would provide more insight to town going forward tomorrow. I'm not in any way advocating my lynch cause I am indeed town & that would go against my town win-con. I hope town remembers everyone who was on my wagon in any instance cause you got a guarentee scum if not two inside it.

[Fraggernaut]

@Keyser you already know my meta, & you know this is it. Do I need to break out the "houlier then thou" as well? It's rather amusing you rather policy lynch a town then lynch one of the likely scum who has been on my wagon & tunneling me all of day one.

[Fraggernaut]

If I'm mislynched & flip town, you have absolutely nothing to go on. Other then my legacy of the four names I gave who partitioned this wagon on a horrible accusation thar I've already refuted countless of times. The bad accusation. The sheep. Then no accusation given is basically the foundation of this mislynch attempt & it's appalling.

[Fraggernaut]

If I'm mislynched & flip town, you have absolutely nothing to go on.

If I'm mislynched and flip town, town has plenty to go on. Namely that my strong scumreads on Fraggernaut and Bleeding Scar are completely sincere.

See that? That's the type of thing a townie who's at risk of getting lynched says, because they want to help the remaining townies lynch correctly to ensure they win in the end. Fragger doesn't do that. Fragger tries to scare town off his wagon with the threat that his mislynch won't help the game. I seriously doubt a townie would ever concern himself with that.

Yet you're still so wrong. I've already gave plenty as to the scum that are on my wagon. Accountant, Bullet, Radiant & yourself. One if not two are scum. When I flip town, proving you to be a total donkey, then town needs to lynch out of those four.

[Fraggernaut]

If I'm mislynched & flip town, you have absolutely nothing to go on. Other then my legacy of the four names I gave who partitioned this wagon on a horrible accusation thar I've already refuted countless of times. The bad accusation. The sheep. Then no accusation given is basically the foundation of this mislynch attempt & it's appalling.

So how would a mis lynch differ from you to say Keyser?
A mis lynch gives information, a no lynch gives fuck all. You are scum, and I've hit your buddies as well.
The only reason that there is so much resistance to your lynch is because you are scum otherwise you would have been lynched by now.

I'm not scum, so actually you haven't hit anything.

[Fraggernaut]

Also Vedith that logic makes absolutely no sense at all. "The only reason that there is so much resistance to your lynch is because you are scum otherwise you would have been lynched by now." So you're saying town won't lynch scum? How bout that fact that the only people reading me scum are the donkey's who have tunneled me all game without any valid accusation or logic. Hmmmmmm.

[Fraggernaut]

If I'm mislynched & flip town, you have absolutely nothing to go on.

If I'm mislynched and flip town, town has plenty to go on. Namely that my strong scumreads on Fraggernaut and Bleeding Scar are completely sincere.

See that? That's the type of thing a townie who's at risk of getting lynched says, because they want to help the remaining townies lynch correctly to ensure they win in the end. Fragger doesn't do that. Fragger tries to scare town off his wagon with the threat that his mislynch won't help the game. I seriously doubt a townie would ever concern himself with that.

Yet you're still so wrong. I've already gave plenty as to the scum that are on my wagon. Accountant, Bullet, Radiant & yourself. One if not two are scum. When I flip town, proving you to be a total donkey, then town needs to lynch out of those four.

So, if you've given plenty for town to go on if you flip town, THEN WHY DID YOU SAY TOWN WOULD HAVE NOTHING TO GO ON

FDKGHISDFKIGHFDSJKHGDFSKJHG

PUT THIS DISINGENUOUS SCUM IN THE DEAD THREAD ALREADY

Ah All Alone is opening the door with Accountant for a full on Aids factory.

[Fraggernaut]

Also Vedith that logic makes absolutely no sense at all. "The only reason that there is so much resistance to your lynch is because you are scum otherwise you would have been lynched by now." So you're saying town won't lynch scum? How bout that fact that the only people reading me scum are the donkey's who have tunneled me all game without any valid accusation or logic. Hmmmmmm.

I won't address this as you clearly have no idea how lynching works.

You just said that the only reason why people are opposed to my lynch is because I'm scum otherwise I would of been lynched by now . That makes absolutely no sense from a town perspective. Towns main objective is lynching scum. Why would town be opposed to lynching scum? Maybe the fact because I'm town. Hence people don't want to mislynch me.

[Fraggernaut]

I took me a long time to decide to write this post, because, like Keyser said, we have had more than enough role claims for today. But I want to show you guys how serious I am about getting someone lynched today, and how badly I don't want a No Lynch due to split votes. Also a major factor in my decision was the fact that I don't believe either of the two role claims that have been made earlier.

I am a Vigilante.

Well, not a pure Vigilante - I have a modifier to my role, but I'm not going to share that with you since it might help the mafia decide who to kill at night. But I'm still a vigilante, and I will shoot people if I have to.

I consider three players viable lynch candidates for today:

Fraggernaut

,

Vedith

and

BlockyMan

(policy).

If the Day ends in a No Lynch or the lynch of a player that is not one of these three candidates, I will shoot the scummiest player on the wagon of the unacceptable lynch candidate, regardless of what alignment the lynched player flips. If it is a No Lynch, I will shoot the scummiest player on the No Lynch wagon/in the "not voting" list.

Place your votes carefully. You have 24 hours.

Even though you're still a donkey cause I'm town, don't worry. I'll protect you tonight.

[Fraggernaut]

@Vedith. If you are a VT, never roleclaim a PR. Otherwise you out the real PR or waste an investigation/protection on you. VTs should try to attract the NK, not get lynched/policy lynched.

@Keyser

A VT claiming a PR isn't that bad if it's the right PR to draw a role bullet. For instance, a VT should never fake claim Cop; cause Cop is a valuable tool for town. There's other PRs like medic ect that could been seen as less important PRs. From my experience playing video mafia, Mafia won't waste KP on the Vigi tonight EVER. It's the right mechanical play. Why would they? If the Vigi shoots okay, probably another dead town in their favor & the Vigi is now essentially useless & is just a confirmed town that will die later in the game closer to the end. I doubt in a 13 man setup, if this is real the Vigi has more then one shot. So essentially the Mafia is going to have to look elsewhere for their night kill tonight.

[Fraggernaut]

If All Alone & Myself are together it would be such a swag play. Unfortunately we are not cause I'm town.

[Fraggernaut]

VOTE: Fraggernaut

I know my vote is still on All Alone. Yes, I still think All Alone is a viable lynch, as his meta in this game is somewhat similar to the game I played with him as my newbie game.

I know my intent to vote Fraggernaut is contradictory with what I said earlier. However, I see that if Accountant is intending to Vig Fragger tonight, my initial plan of whether Mafia would kill Fragger tonight is going to fail. I also am scumreading Fragger now due to him just claiming a general Power Role instead of his actual role, which is beneficial for scum but detrimental for town. Also I know this would look bad on me as I am currently tied with Fragger for the longest wagon, and voting Fragger seems like a desprate counterwagon, but this is my current genuine biggest scumread in Accountant's lynch pool, what am I to do?

This can be seen as survivalistic or opportunistic & I'm unsure which one I believe right now. I'm very unsure how to read this.

[Fraggernaut]

If All Alone & Myself are together it would be such a swag play. Unfortunately we are not cause I'm town.

And you believe All Alone is scum?

'

My vote has been on All Alone the entire game outside of RVS. What do you think?

[Fraggernaut]

Like I said Town is in good shape regardless of Accountant's claim as Vigi.

The Mafia if they make the right mechanical play, will not put KP on the Vigi tonight. It would be a waste.

[Fraggernaut]

@Mod

VC please.


Also yes, essentially I'm already dead heading into tomorrow. So hopefully town can figure this out.


@Keyser, baiting the Counter-claim.

[Fraggernaut]

No Fraggernaut, you're both lynch-bait and NK-bait. Either way you're f****d.

@Keyser

Either way I know this. That's why I said hopefully town can figure this game out tomorrow.

Also why didn't you ask for a counter for the vigi? Just wondering.

[Fraggernaut]

This game has gone completely Aids.

I didn't buy the cop claim from Vedith if you would even consider it that. They've been pushing on me as if they had a check on me, which I know isn't true cause I know I'm town. I don't think Vedith would even consider outting a valuable PR like that as town.

As for Bullet hes being very survivalistic & opportunistic with their vote on my wagon. If there is going to be a counter claim from Bullet I guarentee it's going to be on me cause he thinks he can push my mislynch over by doing as such. I still think Bullet is in the four people who of the four at least one is scum.

[Fraggernaut]

I think out of all the PR claims, the fakest ones are Bullet, Blocky, & Vedith (If you consider their claim a claim). Bullets came at a opportunistic time when their wagon was building steam. This also could of been cause scum Bullet realized they needed to make a claim or counter claim cause they wouldn't be able to after today. I feel the same way about Blocky's claim. A case of scum realizing it was too late with PRS outting that they had to make some sort of claim or counter claim. I would he confident lynching one or the other.

[Fraggernaut]

Also Bullet or Blocky wouldn't out a counter claim to the Vigi cause they would shoot them tonight knowing they were the real vigi.

[Fraggernaut]

I really doubt there's a watcher and doctor in the same setup.

Do you not think there could be a Mafia Watcher?

Is there at least one bit of doubt in your scum-read of Fraggernaut? (even when he has roleclaimed Town Doctor?)



Fraggernaut, can you point out where you have crumbed your role - I can remember you saying that you had.

My #245 & 251 are similar in a way.

[Fraggernaut]

I never claimed doctor, so there's that.

[Fraggernaut]

All these claims are making it very hard for me to take a role bullet. Seriously.

[Fraggernaut]

Right, but I never once claimed PZ.

[Fraggernaut]

Even though you're still a donkey cause I'm town, don't worry. I'll protect you tonight.

There won't be 2 protection roles...
Still needs lynching.

That was mostly said in jest, cause I don't believe your claim/slip or whatever you want to call it.

[Fraggernaut]

What is your claim then Fragger? Why didn't you correct the wrong assumption?

Blocky should still be vigged.

There's been enough claims thrown around here already. Keyser caught on.

It's still most likely that I'm dying tonight. Town will have to figure this claim business out tomorrow.

For now though I'll either lynch Blocky or Bullet. I haven't decided which to vote on yet.

[Fraggernaut]

Calling bullshit.

I don't believe your claim. I don't believe that a town vedith wouldn't out a valuable PR such as the one you tried to claim without being under any pressure at all. There's no logical reasoning behind it. If you did, then you've pretty much lost this game for us other town already & probably should re-evaluate your PR game. For now though, I don't believe the claim. Just like I don't believe Bullet's or Blocky's as far as I can throw it. Hence why I'll lynch one of the two today.

[Fraggernaut]

Why would you be killed tonight?

I'm killed here tonight for two reasons.

A.) Scum will kill me because they've caught on to exactly what I bread crumbed.

B.) They won't put KP on the Vigi cause mechanically it would be a waste of a kill when the Vigi only has one shot.

Also if I'm left alive till tomorrow, which is also likely; it'll mainly be because Mafia wants me around for a easy mislynch they know they can push.

If I was mafia, do you really think I'd put myself on a timer with a claim or anything of the sorts as I have? Scum wouldn't put themselves in a situation where they're "on a timer". I either am what I am, & scum was smart enough to catch on & kill me tonight

OR

I get mislynched tomorrow. That's the only two scenarios that can happen. Neither come from a scum perspective at all & you're too donkey to realize it.

[Fraggernaut]

I don't believe your claim. I don't believe that a town vedith wouldn't out a valuable PR such as the one you tried to claim without being under any pressure at all. There's no logical reasoning behind it. If you did, then you've pretty much lost this game for us other town already & probably should re-evaluate your PR game. For now though, I don't believe the claim. Just like I don't believe Bullet's or Blocky's as far as I can throw it. Hence why I'll lynch one of the two today.

You don't even know either my town or scum game so saying "town Vedith" and acting like you know my play is scummy.
This is scum here, not voting him are either scum or morons.

So you're saying I didn't read a bit of both your scum & town game from other games? Interesting.

[Fraggernaut]

I'll be at work when the deadline hits. Hopefully town makes the right choice. I think I've made it pretty known that I'm town.

Intent to put Bullet at L1.

As well as VOTE: Bullet

I don't buy Bullets claim almost as much as Blocky's. Bullet was originally on the four I thought there was at least one scum in & pushing a horribe accusation for my mislynch. Hope we hit here

Good luck guys to tomorrow. Remember my legacy (what I said )

[Fraggernaut]

Well I'm VT so you're lynching town.

I obviously was trying to take the role bullet & even mentioned taking the role bullet several times before everyone tried to mass claim/fake claim to which I said "you guys are making it hard for me to take a role bullet.

Also on vacation, hence I didn't know the game continued.

[Fraggernaut]

Well I'm VT so you're lynching town.

I obviously was trying to take the role bullet & even mentioned taking the role bullet several times before everyone tried to mass claim/fake claim to which I said "you guys are making it hard for me to take a role bullet.

Also on vacation, hence I didn't know the game continued.

burn the witch

Why would you want to burn yourself?

Tsk tsk. The exact scenario I alluded to late day one has happened.

[Fraggernaut]

Yet Vedith is fake & you are going to look extremely dumb when I flip VT.

@Expedience Uh yeah they would. A mafia team would have to go through the protective role first to hit their actual target. I was hoping to draw the bullet to save the actual roles: but then the mass claims happened.

[Fraggernaut]

You'll have a confirm scum tomorrow in Vedith when I flip VT. Hopefully my other town members are smart enough to lynch the lier.

[Fraggernaut]

Yet Vedith is fake & you are going to look extremely dumb when I flip VT.

I think that if you flip VT someone is going to look spectacularly dumb and it won't be us.

Yeah you after how horrible your tunnel was D1

[Fraggernaut]

There's your scum with Vedith. PZ/RC/Accountant/All Alone Pick & Lynch.

[Fraggernaut]

After you lynch fake Vedith
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[Fraggernaut]

Accountant fuck off.

I tried a gambit as VT to take a role bullet. It would of worked too outside of your terrible read on me. FYI Keyser has a pretty steady good read on me in every game we player together thus far.

Good game everyone else & thanks FB.

[Fraggernaut]

Accountant fuck off.

I tried a gambit as VT to take a role bullet. It would of worked too outside of your terrible read on me. FYI Keyser has a pretty steady good read on me in every game we player together thus far.

Good game everyone else & thanks FB.

Your gambit was terrible and you basically threw, it happens to all of us, just suck it up and move on

Not even at all but think what you want & stand by your terrible read.

[Fraggernaut]

I never counter claimed, I was the original claimer & I didn't even claim what Accountant tried to say I claimed.

[Fraggernaut]

Once again not even. I was attempting to take a role bullet. Watch any kind of video mafia or read other forum games & you can see this in play.

Admit your read wasn't anything but terrible on me.

[Fraggernaut]

Bullet yet I dropped a slip that I might be PR, I never hard claimed a PR at all the whole game. Regardless of Accountant's horrible attempt to make it seem like I did.