SAGA FRONTIER MAFIA (GAME END)

[Drunken Pirates]

VOTE: itlepip

Parking that shit here until the venn diagram

Well at least you're voting scum that has zero chance of being lynched today. Please return to voting scum that can be lynched.

Trust SENSAI won't hammer until you get your diagram done.

[Drunken Pirates]

Town got a role pm with a blue background, i.e. scumslip from itlepip

And totally right for wrong reasons.

Itlepip reacting to the blue thing was clearly about flavor as the guy has to lynch blue. All of Varsoon's role PMs had blue background in Steven Universe.

[Drunken Pirates]

wait are pple actually believing kewldog's claim?

holy cow

I have no words.

anyhoo I have commune duties afternoon/tonight my best friend gammagooey is moving to asheville and we were all supposed to do go cart racing, barcade laser tag today as a farewell but *snowpocalypse* so we are all just gonna chill and play board games. so i won't be around that much.

kewldog is still scum. that claim does not even remotely make sense nor does his play around it. the claim is fake.

So you believe instead of cooldog using a fakeclaim, he made up a new one to try?

I was going for picking a terrible claim in the fake list Varsoon likes to give. But if you're telling me that CoolDog made up his claim, yippie!

[Drunken Pirates]

Town got a role pm with a blue background, i.e. scumslip from itlepip

RIDDLE ME THIS HOW DO YOU KNOW SCUM DIDN'T GET A "BLUE" BACKGROUND?!

That's precisely what he thought itlepip slipped.

[Drunken Pirates]

Town got a role pm with a blue background, i.e. scumslip from itlepip

RIDDLE ME THIS HOW DO YOU KNOW SCUM DIDN'T GET A "BLUE" BACKGROUND?!

That's precisely what he thought itlepip slipped.

If anything, that "slip" shows that Itle is town more than anything. He got a blue background and didn't think anything of it. Only scum would have something to compare it to, if they even get a different colored background.

Blue is most likely the default role pm background.

Shiro, can I have vodka? it's not even noon.

[Drunken Pirates]

Why didn't you immediately object to the Wakatu visit suggestions if town kwldog?

Each region can only be visited once.
People suggest going to Wakatu.
No objection.

Nobody was even talking about going to wakatu so.
Don't think that's as telling as you're making it out to be honestly.

Spoiler: Wakatu

VOTE: DiamondSentinel
For giving me comment section flashbacks.

So, is Drixx the MC from a previous night, and we'll now vote for today's main character?

Nope. The vote today will be for tomorrow's Main Character.

I would suggest we leave this for later in the day. We haven't even had everyone check in yet. Someone might have some crazy cool role and just end up being the MC for the entire game, assuming they can demonstrate it and it's obvtown and such. Failing some reason to keep it on the same person, it's still probably a good idea to let the day transpire so we can try and avoid giving scum the MC.

Oh, I get it now, thanks Drixx.

Since you've no party, I think it'd be a great idea to adventure to Wakatu, because ghost towns are the best location to travel alone to. The full Silent Hill experience.

VOTE: DiamondSentinel
For giving me comment section flashbacks.

So, is Drixx the MC from a previous night, and we'll now vote for today's main character?

Nope. The vote today will be for tomorrow's Main Character.

I would suggest we leave this for later in the day. We haven't even had everyone check in yet. Someone might have some crazy cool role and just end up being the MC for the entire game, assuming they can demonstrate it and it's obvtown and such. Failing some reason to keep it on the same person, it's still probably a good idea to let the day transpire so we can try and avoid giving scum the MC.

Oh, I get it now, thanks Drixx.

Since you've no party, I think it'd be a great idea to adventure to Wakatu, because ghost towns are the best location to travel alone to. The full Silent Hill experience.

I second a visit to Wakatu from Drixx. Should be fun.

We already told you to go to Wakatu because it's a ghost town. You are being a HUGE DISTRACTION to the momentum we are building on Rylai.

I can't have a party unless I'm MC after today. If I am, I would probably bring you guys in the party so I could talk to you in the Party PT and figure out your alignment for real. All joking aside, figuring you two out is a priority for me. You're either the biggest threat to town or among the biggest assets. That's the level of respect I have for Cerberus' intellect and your common sense. I'm a little bummed we didn't find another player so that I could be in the Cool Cucumbers hydra, but then if we had, I wouldn't be Lute, so I guess I the RNG was kind to me.

Drixx can have a party, just not today. He doesn't have a passive that prevents him forming a party.

PEDIT: Got there first.
Setup-spec wise, at face value, it makes sense to think Drixx is town. But I'm personally not going to use that as a reason to townread him, it's just a bad idea. Drixx can be a townlean for other reasons.

Drixx, you're hinting at some kind of rule or mechanic that only you know about, that may or may not be telling you that it makes sense from a setup-spec standpoint for you to be town... none of us know what that is, but I don't think it will change things when you weigh it against all the other points you've already listed.

PEDIT x2: I suggested Wakatu as a joke, but I think it's as good a place as any.

Honestly, Drixx, all of us can only guess what the heck each of the locations do. Just pick somewhere cool.

I want him to go to Wakata because the reason is completely arbitrary, the one who suggested it had no realistic expectation of him being listened to, and it fits well with the story this game is starting to paint. I fully support this region and this region only.

Honestly, Drixx, all of us can only guess what the heck each of the locations do. Just pick somewhere cool.

I want him to go to Wakata because the reason is completely arbitrary, the one who suggested it had no realistic expectation of him being listened to, and it fits well with the story this game is starting to paint. I fully support this region and this region only.

Yolo ghost vacation it is
Hell, Drixx, roll a die. I only think the region choice will matter once someone has been on one. Go to the same place, or a new place, and the next night repeat. We have no info.

CoolDog: While I'm not townreading Rylai, I don't think the reasons people have stated for townreading her (if players have) were meta reasons. In fact, the player who brought up the meta (Yosarian I believe) is scumreading her.

PEDIT: ABR's probably town.

Yes, people were talking about going there. CoolDog said nothing. I said going to a Ghost Town with no ghosts is pretty stupid all other things considered.

~Titus

[Drunken Pirates]

What are we doing now on this interminable day?

Lynching CoolDog please.

[Drunken Pirates]

It's 8 v 8 with DGB's vote swap barring double voters I do not know about.

Max Zulfy and ABR are the only ones not voting the two major wagons.

~Titus

[Drunken Pirates]

What are we doing now on this interminable day?

Lynching CoolDog please.

Alright, anything, let's end this

VOTE: CoolDog

Thank you.

[Drunken Pirates]

Pretty sure one of ABR or Zulfy will vote Max by deadline.
Cerb can vote CoolDog.

Then Sensei can hammer.

[Drunken Pirates]

cerby I lynch scum all the time on d1 and it has nothing to do with luck. taking that attitude will only ensure you will never learn how to lynch scum on d1!

sensei can you talk to me about your cuke pple read?

meanwhile kewldog is making seekrit plans with his scumbuddies in the scum pt.

kewldog is still scum but no1 cares!

(I know you guys do care cos that is who we are lynching but it is a self-imposed posting restriction)

[Drunken Pirates]

@ cerby

there is a way to navigate d1 to ensure a lynch on scum but I really felt like I cldn't do it in this game. I mean I can pull up a bunch of games from this past year alone if you want.

@ sensei

he was definitely saying some clangers! if I am wrong and kewldog flips town then I will defo be crawling all over them in your name if you are not around. any protection this game that we have shld defo go to you tho.

eta: cerby those kind of posts are set my hair on fire in case you're wondering. I see sensei's point.

[Drunken Pirates]

I think the best argument in world for scum!cuke is that titus thinks he is town cos they are thinking alike and I think titus thinks like scum as town thats why I am always lynching her. in this game I at least know she is town.

[Drunken Pirates]

Explaining my situational awareness is a hair set on fire type of event?? Or asking for clarification on what sensei still thinks we should do?

-Cerb

Pedit: ABR, I keep hearing zulfy claimed liza, R&Ls other conftown name, but I don't remember where it happened..

who said that cerby? cos I don't remember that happening and zulfy defo did not claim liza.

[Drunken Pirates]

gotta go!

[Drunken Pirates]

Some scum fuck targeted me with an ability last night. Whoever it was, claim it right fucking now, or we will have to assume you are scum. I mean, you probably are anyway, either that or an idiot, but if you don't claim right now then there is no doubt at all.

I bet a bunch of scum are rushing to alibi you.

catching up

[Drunken Pirates]

okay so I am good with a klingon lynch.

VOTE: klingon

it will make titus cry but I don't care.

eta: yoyo I am being facetious. plz try to keep up. BUT I WONDER ABOUT THAT RESPONSE.

[Drunken Pirates]

We can also use the daykill to verify Drunken Pirate's BP claim.

YES LETS DO THIS!!!!

[Drunken Pirates]

Let's hold off a little while on the kill. The day is still young, we have time. No need to nuke someone 12 hours in just because you can, that rarely ends well. Testing Pirates is a good idea, but there's no rush.

oh yoyo

[Drunken Pirates]

I just want to say, I am considering replacing out, I am totally overwhelmed by this game's mechanics. My role is lame and passive and that doesn't motivate me to figure things out. You all have really exciting roles with lots of detail and maybe that can help you get some bearings on how the game might work, and how you might influence it. I got nothin'. I have pretty much been sheeping for 75 pages.

Don't

if I am echoing abr then you know that it is sincere more than likely from both of us.

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cause the flum result on Diamond was fake for a reaction, it works cause I can back him up that it was always fake.

Why test DS when he's been obvious this whole game?

he has been obvs what? plz tell me.

[Drunken Pirates]

somehow I feel like we are getting distracted from the klingon lynch.

if some1 has an inventor wish that grants anything the recipient wants, plz give it to me cos I wish to have all of the scumzorz talking to themselves cos that wld be funny.

[Drunken Pirates]

is klingon lynched yet?

why isn't she lynched yet.

[Drunken Pirates]

Need to ISO everyone and start making a set of proper reads. Also glad I was right on Max. Now if anyone wonders why the heck I didn't post many of the posts I intended to it is because I had important exams that week, family member had a heart-attack on Saturday and another had a minor stroke. My week was hell at that's why I didn't post at all before the lynch of them both and didn't post too much except it short bursts through weekdays. That is going to change.
~wgeurts

do you mean your big walls on players was not a proper set of reads?

[Drunken Pirates]

you aren't dealing with titus you are dealing with me

[Drunken Pirates]

hindu where are you

pick up

[Drunken Pirates]

you aren't dealing with titus you are dealing with me

My apologies Mollie, my point stands however.

so what you are saying is that your big long reads with the giant sized font didn't count and now you are actually going to put out a readslist? I wasted minutes of my precious life reading those paragraphs.

VOTE: cool cucumbers

MC: SENSEI

[Drunken Pirates]

can some1 remind me to not ever make lowell mad? I don't ever wanna make lowell mad. like reck can cut his eyes at me and I shiver but i get the feeling that lowell wld cut me to the bone.

where did hindu go

also lowell, I really think that cuke pple are a good bet for scum. if you need me to explain our play d1 I can and I will.

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yoyo I just want you to know that you freak me out.

[Drunken Pirates]

DP, did any of your reads change after Day 1? Also what are you thinking about ABR right now?

And I don't always questions my scummy reads, so please don't be offended if I ask questions. And these questions are not random, and if people don't answer them, then I read them as uncomfortable to answer that question. Just clearing myself, as I found that you are troubled with my style of scum hunting.

I had to compromise on my d1 reads. nor was I able to do what I normally do in order to obtain them.

I lean town on abr. if he is scum then he wants it really bad and I am good with that.

[Drunken Pirates]

can some1 more important than me which is pretty much any1 push cuke pple tia

[Drunken Pirates]

DP, Yos: Please tell me you have some other thoughts on our slot than "They pushed for a double lynch which actually DID include a scum slot, but without an apparent vig shot wouldn't have even been able to gain any of the benefit of bussing a member of their own team to offset the negatives of blatantly working to organize a pro-town situation which happened to get a town slot, one which was widely scum read and at great risk of being lynched for most of the day, and thus didn't actually need any work on the part of scum!them to hang. Oh, and one head wants to reevaluate the game and their reads after seeing 3 flips, including one scum."

this literally has nothing to do with why I am scumreading you.

[Drunken Pirates]

DP, Yos: Please tell me you have some other thoughts on our slot than "They pushed for a double lynch which actually DID include a scum slot, but without an apparent vig shot wouldn't have even been able to gain any of the benefit of bussing a member of their own team to offset the negatives of blatantly working to organize a pro-town situation which happened to get a town slot, one which was widely scum read and at great risk of being lynched for most of the day, and thus didn't actually need any work on the part of scum!them to hang.

Oh, and one head wants to reevaluate the game and their reads after seeing 3 flips, including one scum.

"

this literally has nothing to do with why I am scumreading you.

Cool, cause those are really bad reasons and the only ones I've seen articulated. Although, you must forgive me for thinking the bolded was related, given that you questioned wgeurts in 5377 about his statement that he's going to get some real reads out, and then voted us.

-Cerb

sure

is there a question in there somewhere?

[Drunken Pirates]

okay.

I think your reads are manufactured as fuck and lack any follow up behind them.

for instance, you had dgb as scum but did nothing with that read, nor are you doing anything that remotely looks like you are reconsidering that read except to say "I am reconsidering all of my reads" and then gogurt disappears and we have to sit around and wait for more limp wristed wall reads in large font that apparently don't mean anything at all.

thats why I think you are scum. convince me otherwise I am all ears.

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yoyo I just want you to know that you freak me out.

I said towards the end of the day yesterday that CC looks suspicious. Not like I'm just sheeping you.

if you ever actually sheeped me in a game I wld faint

[Drunken Pirates]

Albert B. Rampage (1): FIRE
Yosarian2 (1): FIRE

what is this about

where did abr go

[Drunken Pirates]

We lynch DiamondSentinel before he gets a double vote or something equally nasty.

lookit dat rolefishing

[Drunken Pirates]

I mean, it's great he flipped scum and all, but a scum who's powers are unlocked when he's lynched? That's SOOOO obviously a scum-lead wagon. Honestly, I find CooLDoG's much more town-led. Even though he flipped town, it gave scum a golden opportunity to point out that dangerous people were on a town wagon while they were on a scum one. I may not be the best at this, but even I can recognize just how scum benefits from yesterday's events.

Please stop. You are not good at this game and working out alignments. Not being rude, just saying it how it is. The truth is brash. Max's wagon was town-initiated; I made the case for it and pushed it. Max campaigned directly against ABR

the entire day

and that's when ABR's suspicion of Max-scum started. 2407 and 2408 is where it all began.

Yeah, he probably got bussed by buddies; that doesn't mean he was a great idea to lynch or scum benefited in any way by losing a strongman(or w/e role goes through docs) and 5-time RB. Cooldog was a fairly easy read as town too and the general notion going around that he might not be a good idea was town-initiated too. Scum can jump on it, sure, but painting it as anything else is absurd. Just because the people in the party with you and confirmed town was on the wagon does not mean it was "much more town-led". Scum did not make a counterwagon to cooldog with their own buddy on purpose.

uhm

[Drunken Pirates]

From sparking abilities after the mission...read first page.

how do you know that he was sparked what am I missing here

[Drunken Pirates]

4 scum with double votes, that's 8 votes. Cumulative hated townie status? The game would end in an eye blink.

and you really think that is what is going on?

cos I don't think so

[Drunken Pirates]

You have proven that you are not reading my posts properly. I will speak to Titus.

nice deflection and no, you don't get to talk to titus.

you are gonna have to talk to me. which you won't do cos you can hide behind a personality clash.

titus wants your ass gas lighted and I am the only thing that is stopping her so mebbe you wanna set petty grievances and work towards a town wc if you are in fact actually town.

[Drunken Pirates]

3-man scum team makes sense with superpowered mafia roles such as 1 shot unlynchable, starting MC, etc.

We can't discount a Drixx scum scenario.

you totally ignored when we said that we asked varsoona if the starting MC was auto-town on d1.

I am not the 1 who is ignoring posts.

why aren't you dead. didn't you keep repeating that you wld die? I somehow don't believe it.

[Drunken Pirates]

I'm not blaming you for missing a post. I'm saying you read a post in real time and have no understanding of whats being said.

Wtf are you on about re:Drixx?

I totally can be convinced that I have no understanding of your posts.

we said d1 that we asked varsoona if the starting MC was randomized and the answer was yes.

I think drixx is town. and if you think it is multiball then why are you not leaping all over klingon?

[Drunken Pirates]

pple who disagree with abr = not reading his posts

yeah, sure

[Drunken Pirates]

Can we just lynch ABR now? I mean; how many times does he need to lie before enough is enough?

Uh. ABR is pretty obvtown here. You did notice that he was the one who drove the Max lynch yesterday, right?

I am sure that scum driven lynches on a scumbuddy who cannot has never happened in a game ever.

attention: yoyo and us are dueling.

yoyo you can pick your weapon.

[Drunken Pirates]

The reason I'm still alive now is because I lied about being BP N1 and successfully WIFOMed the scum. I came clean about my role other than that. DS lied about his role day 1 because he didn't make up his mind about what he wanted to claim yet. Under pressure, he finally came out as ascetic. That's not lying to help the town. That's getting caught in a lie you should never have made.

I did not think that your bp claim was real for a second so I am unsure as to why you actually think that scum were stupid enough to think otherwise.

[Drunken Pirates]

sure, fuck our neighbourhood especially since you keep campaigning for 1 of your own.

do you know who thinks you are scum? titus.

do you know who thinks you are full of it? me. I am just not sure how alignment indicative it is or why sensei is bothering to talk to you.

[Drunken Pirates]

Fuck your neighborhood, discuss the game in the open.

I've laid out my thoughts and am waiting for the DS dayvig when everyone is ready.

I will reconsider Klingon and others after that flip.

read on klingon plz

[Drunken Pirates]

I mean he is making it pretty obvious that he thinks DS is scum Sensei.

That question was kind of self-answering.


@ABR

DS did have a reason to his lying but I will be honest he is more of total null for me, He has me more confused than scumreading. You cannot deny his reaction to the supposed guilty was pretty townie.

don't

[Drunken Pirates]

Fuck your neighborhood, discuss the game in the open.

I've laid out my thoughts and am waiting for the DS dayvig when everyone is ready.

I will reconsider Klingon and others after that flip.

yeah

eta: holy fucking cow

[Drunken Pirates]

abr if you think that diamond is gonna be dayvigged then why are you trying to push fear mongering in the hood?

[Drunken Pirates]

itelpip who did you neighbourize?

[Drunken Pirates]

oh yeah flum

[Drunken Pirates]

updating my spreadsheet

[Drunken Pirates]

Yosarian you're forgetting that getting lynched unlocked all of max's other shit.

I'm not forgetting that. I'm saying that, from the point of view of winning the game, that fact is less important then the fact that we needed to lynch or otherwise kill Max twice in order to win the game.

I mean, if town gets to lynch or lose with a scum that doesn't die the first time he gets lynched, town auto-loses. So getting that first lynch in on Max day 1 was huge for the town.

Even with it giving him powers, lynching Max yesterday brought us a step closer to town victory. It was something we had to do in order to beat his scum team, and the sooner, the better.

Lynching max doesn't automatically mean he's getting lynched again in the near future.

In fact there was a good amount of rabble about him being town based on the lynchproof.

It depends on if scum wanted their strongman asap (guessing they probably did - look at all the bulletproofs and shit going around) some nice smooth town-cred and access to blocking 5 people at the earliest possible point in the game.

You've got a point as well. And I think if we meet in the middle it means probably a lot of soft-bussing.

yeah yoyo was the 1 who was proselytizing that 1

[Drunken Pirates]

yeah I am impatient

VOTE: albert

[Drunken Pirates]

Albert lynch isn't going to happen. Mollie, I'm interested in why Titus has vanished and what her thoughts are of the current game state.
Could you also possibly explain what your views are right now?
Anything you wish to discuss with me?
¬wgeurts

any1 who wants abr for mc is scumclaiming.

any1 who is asking for titus to post is scumclaiming.

we had 815 posts on d1 and most of them came from her. if you can't get where her thoughts were from those posts then you are clearly not paying attention and don't really seem interested in what she has to say at all.

and no, I don't particularly feel like talking to you right. I am not seeing the town motivation in your posts. so sorry, but no interest.

[Drunken Pirates]

erm uhm titus has been scumreading abr since forever.

I told titus early on that I thought that abr was going to softpush max and he was the patsy for d3. I was 1 of the first pple on max so you might wanna rethink things a bit.

I backed away from him cos of the "no1 is talking to me" play but any1 who did even the shallowest of meta dives wld not have a hard time finding where I see that as a towntell. who knows. who cares.

errant was a strong townread and I was actively working with him so not sure where you are attempting to go with that.

you suuuuuuure seem a lot more interested in discrediting me than finding scum!

[Drunken Pirates]

Where did I discredit you?

Mollie, can you just confirm then, that nothing Titus had to say yesterday, none of her thoughts, have been changed by the fact that you guys were absolutely wrong about CoolDog? Or by any of the other flips? What does the cooldog town flip do to all those associatives with ABR you were expecting to see?

[Drunken Pirates]

That's not discrediting.
How the hell is that discrediting
That's asking for your thoughts

saying we were arbitrarily wrong on all of our reads is absolutely discrediting.

its also untrue

[Drunken Pirates]

My my my, this is certainly interesting.

VOTE: Albert

There is no reason someone with so many years of experience should flail this hard.

vote:DS

Sorry, this guy is just not town. Not at all. Not even a little bit.

hi yoyo!

[Drunken Pirates]

Am I speaking to a brick wall?
Or has Jeanne stolen your hydra's password?

its really fucking nasty to throw shade on a player who isn't even in the game.

the only thing that you are accomplishing right now is making yourself look like a douche. and a scummy douche at that.

I do things in my own way and in my own time. titus isn't posting cos we lost 2 replacements that I had lined up for varsoona cos d1 was 200+ pages. there is nothing wrong with slowing our hydra down and focusing on things 1 step at a time.

[Drunken Pirates]

Don't like ABR's push saying he's looking for people just to turn on them when they suspect him. That's a goddamn given in this game especially with how he's playing. All it takes is even a single moment of lack of self confidence. I've read GWS lately as slight, slight town.

Lowell, you can post whenever you want man. I don't know who to vote atm.

Itlepip, can you vig DS? He's a huge distraction.

Mollie, what do you think of TCC/Yos/itle/skybird? Lowell and I disagree on those 3, I think.

which 3 do you disagree on and which do you not? cos that is 4 players.

I wanna a machine gun and kill every1 (except a few) why is it I never can seem to obtain 1 in games.

cuke pple are throwing up red flags.

yoyo is freaking me out.

a yoyo scumflip wld point to 1 of itelpip or skybird as scum, we lean itelpip.

I am very unsure.

[Drunken Pirates]

My my my, this is certainly interesting.

VOTE: Albert

There is no reason someone with so many years of experience should flail this hard.

vote:DS

Sorry, this guy is just not town. Not at all. Not even a little bit.

hi yoyo!

Hey mollie.

I donno, just every one of diamond's posts makes me think "huh, this looks like a guy who did not get a town role pm". What do you think?

I find it weird that I will something in the partay topic and suddenly this thread will follow up?

diamond called me perceptive for noticing this!

he is also making why me fry me posts.

[Drunken Pirates]

also it isn't just me it is pretty much anything that is said there.

[Drunken Pirates]

@ yoyo - are you a flying roleblocking hated shark with vig abilities I just wanna make sure that I cover all of my bases here

[Drunken Pirates]

@ yoyo - are you a flying

fiery

roleblocking hated shark with vig abilities I just wanna make sure that I cover all of my bases here

[Drunken Pirates]

@ yoyo - are you a flying

fiery

roleblocking hated shark with vig abilities I just wanna make sure that I cover all of my bases here

[Drunken Pirates]

hinduuuuuuuuu

[Drunken Pirates]

Yea his reaction WAS town. I said in the hood his ascetic was my biggest issue.
Anyway, this talk is pointless dickwaving.
Let's lynch scum.

Tell Zulfy and Titus to back off of me in-thread.
Vote for Gale.
MC vote me.

so when exactly did you start scumreading gale? cos I thought she was a for sure townread of yours.

[Drunken Pirates]

Hah. I KNEW DS was not town. Boom, headshot.

That's a scary freaking role, by the way. Unlynchable SK? The amount of power the scum have this game is unbelievable.

tell me more about the power that scum have this game...

[Drunken Pirates]

yoyo is freaking me out.

really, mollie? You really can't tell that I'm town at this point? Seriously?

ffs

walk me up to a gale scumread.

she was originally mine but I listened to titus and I am not sure she is wrong here. it is really freaking strange that titus was like lol, gale is scum and then a bunch of votes happened. this is literally what has been happening all game.

eta: hinduuuuuuuuuuu

[Drunken Pirates]

mebbe scum have flying ninja roleblocking hated sharks who have an extra kill.

that wld make sense.

[Drunken Pirates]

who do you wanna lynch yoyo?

[Drunken Pirates]

eta: hinduuuuuuuuuuu

?

I want you to talk about something other than anything else you have talked about.

[Drunken Pirates]

ZULFY IS A DOC WE DISCUSSED THIS ALREADY

[Drunken Pirates]

I can win with blue if blue is town.

INDIE CLAIM!!!!

[Drunken Pirates]

omg can we lynch abr already god

[Drunken Pirates]

I can win with blue if blue is town.

INDIE CLAIM!!!!

Really?
Do you have an updated reads list? You're like a different player today who doesn't seem to care anymore.

you are absolutely right.

I am running out of reasons to try to get titus not to confbias you and abr.

stahp trying to make my job more difficult.

[Drunken Pirates]

I am totally the good cop here. do I look like a good cop? I feel like I look like a good cop.

[Drunken Pirates]

ohhh mebbe abr isn't completely useless

gale I am not claiming cop as a role!

[Drunken Pirates]

the funniest thing has been abr begging for titus's attention and then shitting on her reads >.<

lol flum wat

[Drunken Pirates]

we can totally vote flum

I think there are flying ninja roleblocking hated doublevoting amnesiac sharks why are you pple not helping me.

[Drunken Pirates]

I think there are flying ninja roleblocking hated doublevoting

amnesiac

hidden sharks

why are you pple not helping me

.

thank you klingon!

this is from titus.

[Drunken Pirates]

oh yeah the sharks are on fire

[Drunken Pirates]

figgy

can I call you figgy? call me cakey and we will be fine.

what do you think about my flying sharks theory.

we love your post btw

[Drunken Pirates]

Oh yeah.
R&L and Sensei are town.

omg.

@ yoyo - I AM joking about the flying ninja roleblocking hated doublevoting hidden sharks how do you pple not know hyperbolic rhetoric of the absurd when you see it? jesus christ.

yoyo, you and I came to our individual conclusions that scum had to have a massive amount of cannons. what titus will need explained to her is why you are ignoring abr's freaking scummy behaviour and focusing on my flying shark's theory? which when you break it down you actually agree with.

[Drunken Pirates]

oh yeah the sharks are on fire

[Drunken Pirates]

also I can't wait to read flum's "why I hate mollie" post in his hood, post game those never get old.

did any1 but me wonder at him saying he had a hood?

[Drunken Pirates]

He's in a neighbourhood with pip, that's been pretty obvious.
¬wgeurts

oh yeah neighbourizer hur dur we have been preoccupied with other things.

itelpip why did you choose flum? if this has been covered i am sorry I was too busy noticing how something wld be said in the our hood and then it wld magically appear in the thread it was getting spooky for a while. so titus and i started saying the most bullshit things. the gale lynch is pretty funny.

can we lynch abr now. lets make titus happy. titus is pretty married to that vote.

[Drunken Pirates]

at my wedding I wore red so I am letting titus pick out the dres

@ cuke pple - why is lying okay with you?

[Drunken Pirates]

Ok, Yoyo. I am here so we can sit down and talk. ABR is in no sense obvtown.

1. Bussing unlynchable scum is in no way worthy of a townread, especially when the bus comes AFTER Mollie claiming bulletproof. Bussing lynchproof scum happens all the time, doubly so get a benefit that triggers AFTER said scum otherwise would have died,

See Max's roleflips

Spoiler: Unlynchable scum vc

Votecount 1-15

With 16 players alive, it will take 9 votes to lynch or no lynch.

Elbirn (3):

Ranger, Metrion, Marge
Metrion (1): PhoenixWrong
Scorpious (1): TheCow
skybird (1): Expedience

Pidgey the unlynchable scum(9):

Kate Bishop, GuyInFreezer,

T-Bone Elbirn,

PainBringer, Skybird,

DiamondSentinel,

xtoxm, Scorpious


Not Voting (1)

Pidgey,

Deadline: (expired on 2015-11-13 21:30:24)

Note: Replacing PhoenixWrong; Pidgey

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2. ABR did NOT avoid bad bandwagons. He pushed RAL, Klingon, and Skybird for shit reasons and none of them are likely scum. Just because he picked the scum that scum benefit from lynching over a terrible townie matching his scum meta is not a reason to townread. DS was technically a serial killer but not group scum.

3. No. His reads make no sense at all from a town perspective. Particularly his vaccinating treatment of me. He has asked me to post today but then shitted on my reads. I believe the word he used was delusional. He took the same approach when I tried discussing CoolDog and his party. He loved me to put me as "second in command" but then kicked me out when I objected to his party. That's not how to treat townreads,

4. If someone cannot be trusted to tell the truth with their claims, then they are a danger to town.

5. That dayvig is utter shit. A dayvig going off on someone not group scum that lacked the approval of conftown or anyone in the hood is terrible. It reeks of scum knowing DS shot Max and eliminating a threat.

6. Post 3038 by ABR. Hey Titus, you are playing shitty bulletproof. Scum wouldn't know they need a strongman unless you told them. ABR then votes to unlock said strongman.

[Drunken Pirates]

yoyo, are you being srs? after chastising me and appealing to me that you are town YOU COME UP WITH THIS.

Or do you care more about your own survival then about the town winning?

[Drunken Pirates]

VOTE: dgb

[Drunken Pirates]

yoyo, are you being srs? after chastising me and appealing to me that you are town YOU COME UP WITH THIS.

Or do you care more about your own survival then about the town winning?

So...that's the only part of the post you're going to respond to, huh?

And no, I wasn't "chastising" or "appealing to you". I was asking because I feel like Mollie-town would be able to read me as town pretty solidly after the last 230 pages, and it's seriously weirding me out that you're acting like you're suspicious of me. I mean, I'm not surprised about Titus getting paranoid about me, but if you are town you really should be able to read me better then that.

Mollie, I still think you're probably town, but you're making me nervous here.

do you know what makes me nervous? flying roleblocking hated hidden ninja sharks that are on fire. that is what is weirding me out right now.

this is how eaten alive with paranoia we are: we say something in our hood and then there is this weird follow up in the thread that seems to come out of nowhere. we were just saying we thought that if some1 was not town amongst us then it was likely diamond and then bam abr is like "lets lynch diamond" and you are like "how about we vig him!" and neither of you seem to be the least curious about itelpip or why he is suddenly listening to you. my favourite exchange tho was when titus said in the hood "I have a seekrit crush on abr" and the next thing you know he is all like "WHERE IS MY TITUS" when I am the 1 who is actually willing to consider he might be town. I am telling you this has happened over and over again.

and then there are his "I WANT A CHALLENGE BRING ME TITUS" which is kind of a warcry for titus to deathtunnel the living fuck out of him so why wld he do that as town. <----- cos it ain't going away at this point w/o a cop investigative.

I also don't remember you giving my read on you or any1 else this much weight so what has changed? cos it feeds my paranoia.

talk to me about this stuff and then mebbe we can have a real discussion!

[Drunken Pirates]

also yoyo that really is a reach out by the way, titus has you as scum but I never wanna misread you if we are both town ever.

plz help me here

[Drunken Pirates]

Itelpip clearly had a daykill burning a hole in his pocket. I mean, look at his posts in the early day today; he was going to shoot someone in the face, and he was going to do it soon.

That, by the way, is probably town-ish; a mafia or SK with a daykill would not have acted like that. Pip is most likely town, or maaayybe one of the more benign kinds of third party.

Also, it was town-ish of ABR to stop Pip from shooting Sky the way he did.

I will say I'm not surprised that you guys noticed DS's scummyness around the same time the rest of us did. He had looked dodgy for a while, but there was a point there where suddenly he just got super obvious about being anti-town.

erm. it was said in the hood and THEN said in thread.

He certanly wouldn't do it as scum.

As scum, like I said, he would either be trying to lynch you, or be trying to butter you up.

Defending you, calling you town, and then picking a fight with you guys is foolish, but town-ABR would be more likely to act like that then scum-ABR. Scum-ABR is more cunning then this, frankly.

he did do that. to titus.

I also don't remember you giving my read on you or any1 else this much weight so what has changed? cos it feeds my paranoia.

You guys have been finding ways to indirectly calling me scum for no reason for a while now.

how exactly not understanding the question that I am asking of you here? I am asking you when did my opinion start to matter to you cos iirc that hasn't happened before. what changed.

[Drunken Pirates]

also I can't wait to read flum's "why I hate mollie" post in his hood, post game those never get old.

did any1 but me wonder at him saying he had a hood?

I don't hate you. I actually appreciate the friend you've been to Ika.
But if it's a common thing though, shouldn't that be a sign your playstyle isn't the most attractive?

oh i am not friends with ika anymore he violated my boundaries and I am waiting for it to be handled.

and I really can't do much when pple flip out cos I scumread them. 5 pple can scumread a player but I will be the 1 they get mad at.

[Drunken Pirates]

Oh, well that's awkward never mind.
I'm not mad at you. I get upset and rage and get over things in a span of half an hour. I just got annoyed you accused me of making Titus confbias as if I had been treating her badly but oh well.

I never said that you were treating her badly?

anyways I am going to try something different in the morning. I am going to treat yoyo as town and see where that gets me.

[Drunken Pirates]

actually I am going to go with my reads and not titus's. I have abr, yoyo and hindu as all town but titus keeps screaming at me that they are scum.

[Drunken Pirates]

yoyo if you are around today I wld like to talk.

[Drunken Pirates]

ZZZX, Mollie has started ignoring everyone recently. I've been yelling at her about it for a while, just ignore it.
~wgeurts

I am not ignoring any1 what I am doing however is ignoring bullshit anklebiting questions that really serve no purpose whatsoever. we have confirmable role. and with the strongman out of the picture we are unlikely to die.

if you wanna ask me questions that move the game forward in a way that is productive then do that and I will be happy to engage with you. but I am not gonna waste my time with stuff that I feel is dumb wen I am still trying to get a grip on the game, deal with some of the peculiarities in our hood which I have already mentioned, abr' inability to tell the truth a single time and my hydra partner's paranoia and newfound psychic ability where she thinks she knows what every1 is thinking and she is calling it "facts" and "evidence". iam like do you even understand what those words mean. also the flying roleblocking hated hidden ninja sharks that are on fire that seem to be populating this game.

this will be the last time I address you unless you say something meaningful or useful.

[Drunken Pirates]

My theory is that mass roleblock affected scum or smthing froma 3rd party/town. and albert tried to make use of it. because if sensei stays mc scum will be fucked hard.

you are gonna have to walk me through this cos it is pretty obvs there was not a massroleback last night with 2 dead players and all of the claims flying around.

[Drunken Pirates]

As far as I can tell, ZXXX's claim gives us no new information. We already knew Albert was lying (most likely lying about all three claims; if he is telling part of the truth, then maybe he's just trying to make it harder for the scum to guess when he's bulletproof and when he's not, but that's just speculation), and ABR never actually claimed to be able to doc protect anyone on night 1 anyway. In fact ABR made a HUGE deal yesterday about how if Sensei got elected that the scum would be able to kill him and ABR wouldn't be able to stop that.

what about why he is trying to get MC here and is assuming doctor #2 . YET keeps wanting to be MC'd

as a doctor? oh wait.

HE WANTS TO BE MCD AS A BP?

I said this yesterday and why I said that abr being the mc was retarded. none of his play makes sense from a town POV imo.

[Drunken Pirates]

ABR's claim about doc and bp if true would have been really dumb to claim, and as Yos said we've been aware he lying or wifoming for awhile. This changes nothing.
Also, I still don't trust ZZZX.

He could be scum who tracked Sensei to try to catch the doctors

.

thats not how that role works

[Drunken Pirates]

Why is strongman out of the pcutrue

And do you think there is any town motivation for Abr to ousg for mc today?

max was strongman and hell no about abr. the 1 thing that works in his favour is his scum meta does not point to this type of play and I can very easily that abr in his arrogance and foolishness thinks he is somehow being protown. thats what I am trying to work around.

[Drunken Pirates]

ABR's claim about doc and bp if true would have been really dumb to claim, and as Yos said we've been aware he lying or wifoming for awhile. This changes nothing.
Also, I still don't trust ZZZX.

He could be scum who tracked Sensei to try to catch the doctors

.

thats not how that role works

I meant watched

ty that makes more sense.

[Drunken Pirates]

Oh right, so me asking you for your opinions is now dumb, mollie?
Anyway, I'm waiting for ABR to post and one for is certain; we really shouldn't be MC'ing him today or anytime soon really.

you said you wanted titus's opinions, not mine, when we had 815 posts on d1. you aren't asking me my opinions and are telling me what they are (at least that is what it feels like) and are asking me questions that really don't serve a purpose.

I have been saying since d1 that abr shld not be mc and you kept nomming him. sensei needs to be the mc cos he is conftown and shld be protected. like I have literally been saying this since d1 and now that have finally figured out that I was right you are acting like you discovered something brilliant that YOU came up with so excuse moi if I am a little cranky!

@ yoyo - see you say things like that and that along with your hard defense of abr make me not trust you at all. I think fire is likely town and I think I have an idea of who it might be.

there is zero town motivation in what abr has been doing and 100% scum motivation and I don't understand how you are not seing it. like any normal town player wld at the very least be questioning your read on him at this time.

[Drunken Pirates]

zzthing is town btw. I wld bet money on it.

@ abr - all you are doing is wifoming town and trying to sow a bunch of confusion, what you are doing ain't protown not even a little bit.

[Drunken Pirates]

Mollie, actually its because of my rereading the game and taking a closer look at your reasons that I drew that conclusion, I'm definitely not claiming that I'm the first to draw it. I also think you are missing what I attempt to do, your slot was the main one pushing ABR, thus I ask you for your explanation why so I can compare. That's how I check myself, by working together with others. Right now you just feel like you are dismissing everything I post and ignoring everything I say, despite me reaching out to you a few times. You always speak of the importance of town seeking out each other and trying to work together, maybe you should also apply that.

~wgeurts

wguerts I HAVE BEEN APPLYING THAT. this game is not clear cut in any way shape or form and I lost an entire day round cos titus's antics. you don't know what i am doing and just cos I am not responding to everything you post. I REALLY need to focus right now so just be patient okay? god you and titus both keep it in your pants when sometimes you really shld!

so relaaaaax. have some tea and cookies. if me you and zzthing are all town then I am going to feel really good about things. okay?

also abr trying to throw shade by saying that klingon and us are buddying each other is about the scummiest thing ever cos scum know they can't nk and they will want us lynched before our other abilities kick in and we become confirmed. and I am more than ready to lynch him right now even on the of chance he is town his play is that of a VI and so bad its best to get him out of the way now rather than later.

trust my read on zzthing he is town. and plz help me continue to support him.

[Drunken Pirates]

Anyway, unrealated to this.

MC:Yosarian2

It should be either me or Sensei today. Maybe I could compromise on ABR or Pirates or Lowell if neccesary.

if you think it ought to be you who is unconfirmed and sensei who is confirmed then why the hell are you trying to start a competing mc wagon against him? it makes more sense for him to be mc so that a confirmed town will have mc night protection. that is the optimal play here and town!you wld know that so i am pretty confused as to why yo seemingly don't.

also VOTE: albert

[Drunken Pirates]

mollie, ABR's town. I know you feel it too. Relax. His play isn't next level, yeah, but it's not VI level either. He's said some irrelevant things and doesn't make a ton of sense sometimes but he's not posting like Klingon or Zulfy.

you are right he has posted has been a lot worse than either of those 2 thanks for pointing it out.

your mc vote is on abr not confirmed town so i am definitely going to take what you say with a grain of salt.

it cld have been so beautiful between us hindu

I really do feel Gale's coasting scum and noone sees it. Votes need to start flying though. Everyone's throwing mc votes around and discussing speculation about night actions but I'm barely seeing any wagons or votes happening. It's stalling the game and scumhunting if you ask me. Lots of people calling others scum or saying who they think is scum and noone's laying their votes down.

yeah funny when I was trying to scumhunt her you all kept calling her town.

the game is stalling cos you, yoyo, abr and dgb keep pushing suboptimal play and pple either don't realize that is what you are doing cos they are still new and don't know any better or are having a hard time coming to terms with it.

[Drunken Pirates]

if you think it ought to be you who is unconfirmed and sensei who is confirmed then why the hell are you trying to start a competing mc wagon against him?

(shrug) If it's me, and the scum kill me tonight, it goes back to sensei. That'd be fine. Plus the scum probably don't want to kill me if they've already hated me and set me on fire.

I think I'm the optimal choice here, but like i said, sensei would also be fine.

from a strategic POV it is optimal to have you as mc over sensei. you might be able to bullshit other pple but you can't bullshit me. I HAVE STUDIED YOU.

[Drunken Pirates]

the game is stalling cos you, yoyo, abr and dgb keep pushing suboptimal play and pple either don't realize that is what you are doing cos they are still new and don't know any better or are having a hard time coming to terms with it.

If you're just going to try and troll me and all the other most experienced and skilled players in the game, then I'm going to ignore you.

how am I trolling you when I am asking you how it is more optimal for you to be the mc over sensei who actually needs the protection, not you, who has pointed out that "scum are unlikely to nk you since you are hated and on fire".

cos you and I both know that is not very optimal play at all but I guess good attempt to deflect? cos that is what you did right there cos you are not even attempting to answer my question.

[Drunken Pirates]

Naming the 4 most experienced players in the game and calling them "still new" isn't trolling?

And I'm pretty sure I already did answer your question.

uh that isn't what is happening yoyo, lol. I am saying that newer players might not see that you and....the rest of you experienced players who are pushing suboptimal play might not get noticed. or mebbe they will. it is something that I can be patient about. I just am pretty sure that you know what optimal play and if you answered the question I musta missed it so humour me. as in I am pretty sure you haven't answered it.

[Drunken Pirates]

Umm, I have some thoughts about Yos' whole hated/fire thing that I've dropped on wgeurts, I want him to mull it over though before we say anything more, but, well...let's just say as strongly as i feel you're town, 1) I'm not certain enough that you're town to want you as MC over sensei(although the argument about scum being disinclined to shoot you is a nice one, along with the default back to sensei), 2) I feel like the timeline you have, that is, the urgency of giving you MC to prevent such shenanigans as a voteless lynch, isn't quite so short that we need to give you MC today to prevent such things, giving us more time to be certain you're town before doing so, and 3)There is no reason why scum!yos couldn't have had this happen to himself(yes, yes, autolynch as scum in lylo, sure, but as he's said himself, if he's MC it wouldn't happen), to give town a very good reason to give him MC over others.

Mind you, all of this is just my paranoia going off at the unexpected push to MC himself over Sensei. Still pretty good about town him, nothing has pinged as scummy, but ya know, not sure if I trust this particular move.

-Cerb

yeah we noticed the herd of pple rushing to lynch him too and then realized this isn't happening anywhere outside of yoyo's mind and this is another attempt to get the mc protection off of conftown.

i am asking him to explain why voting him for mc over sensei is optimal play and this is what I keep getting:



he can't explain it cos it simply isn't.

[Drunken Pirates]

so cerby can tell me how his explanation is good exactly other than him trying to offer conftown up as a tasty nk treat?

no1 is voting him. no1 is even scumreading him except titus. the argument isn't good cos nowhere in it is there an explanation of how it is optimal play which is the question that I keep asking.

cerby it isn't very good.

[Drunken Pirates]

actually I am going to go with my reads and not titus's. I have abr, yoyo and hindu as all town but titus keeps screaming at me that they are scum.

Mollie, can you make a case for each of them as Town, please?

I'm with Titus, I'm sure that ABR and Yos are Scum. It's clear that they're siamese clones, and Hindu looks caustically scummy as well.

catch up love

also i don't do cases.

pick up

[Drunken Pirates]

Dear Cerb,

Please stop chasing purple polkadotted rainfrogs.

Let's break this down.

Yoyo said he wanted MC protection to live.
Yoyo fears a scum hammer due to being really hated.
Yoyo wants to remove protection from the MC so he can have it.
This means Yoyo feels he is more valuable to the game than conftown.

That type of thinking is not protown on any day.

Second, so what if his plan comes to pass. No one will vote to lynch him if he's quad hated. That would be a 1 v 1 lynch. Ending a day to get confscum is not bad.

Third, WHY is Yoyo concerned about his survival? It's one thing to point out how scum must act. It's another to build whole scenarios based on events that are not likely to happen to support this. Yoyo's omg scum are going to lynch me is a purple polka dotted rainfrog.

Don't worry about scenarios that have no basis in the thread.

Help me lynch scum ABR. Please.

Love,

Titus and Mollie

[Drunken Pirates]

I'm also still kind of worried about Klingon, so if she is not town that's potentially another extra hidden vote. Plus, who knows what other mechancis they have; and if there is a scum in the adventure group, they could get a double vote, ect. There's a lot of ways this could go badly very quickly.

it isn't exactly a hidden vote when klingon is saying that she is BIT in thread and is saying where she is wanting to move her vote.

But yeah, if we want to live dangerously, we don't *have* to make me MC today, we can wait until tommorow.

But the really scary thing is that once the scum start hatred-chaining away entire days, it just gets easier and easier for them as the game gets smaller and smaller, and town really might never get a chance to recover. We could go like 3 days with scum quickhammering within 5 minutes of the day starting every single day, or something like that, and have town lose without us ever really getting a chance to do anything. Basically, this hatred thing gives the scum an entire new win condition that could potentially kick in really, really early, and leave the town pretty much screwed. R&L pointed this out earlier, but I think it really hasn't sunk in for most people just how dangerous this is.

this is straight up fear-mongering.

@ hindu - I have seen yoyo stare down anything and everything in a game where he was an outed doc so i am wondering at this sudden "oh my god I am more important than conftown I have no idea what their abilities are I just somehow know that I am more important than them!" mindset is coming from.

eta: so you think scum are going to be able to easily stack hated abilities on a single player? is that really your angle?

[Drunken Pirates]

When Yoyo talks, what I hear is...

[Drunken Pirates]

I too thought Gale was scum until I actually started rereading his posts, Yos. I've been trying to help others do the same but they're so fixated on you and ABR and have grouped and publicly labelled us as "obvscum grouping together" that they've become blind to anything we push.

that is not...what is going on.

[Drunken Pirates]

Let me explain something to you. I'm the kind of person who when a friend pulls out a strategy board game I've never seen before, instead of having them tell me the rules, I pick up the rulebook, figure out the rules for myself, and win the first time I've ever played it with a strategy the people who have been playing the game for years never thought of. Why? Because if I know the rules, then I can figure out how to move the pieces in order to win, and I can see how the other side can move the pieces in order to win.

This is not me panicking. This is me figuring out the rules, and figuring out how we can use those rules to our advantage to win, or at least to stop the other side from winning for long enough so we can win.

yeah I was wondering when you were gonna come clean about playing mensa level board games cos just by the way in which you reasoned things out I knew that you had experience with with engaging in the application of critical strategic thought which you are NOT applying in this game. I have played those games too!

[Drunken Pirates]

Hey Klingon,



This is almost certainly one scumteam plus DS as a serial killer. DS had no pt according to his role pm. DS was shot before he claimed. The mechanics dictate one scum team plus SK to be true. I am not discussing this with you further.

Titus

[Drunken Pirates]

It was.

I feel you're getting distracted by your theory of the mechanics and forgetting basic scumhunting.

Can you give me an updated reads list with reasons for each one, supposing no third parties or extra scumteams?

Bye everyone.

Titus

[Drunken Pirates]

We are lynching you ABR.

DGB, vote ABR.

[Drunken Pirates]

You don't control this game, Titus. You're powerless.

This isn't about ego. It's about the posts. I see you're back to insulting me.

We all think the party is obvious town. That's 4 players. There's 16 alive. So that means 12 players left.

You lynching Gale on a non-party approved wagon will show that it's a scum driven wagon and result in your lynch tomorrow even if you do succeed. It will also confirm Klingon and Skybird as town. Anxious to put out the fire?

[Drunken Pirates]

Sensei said he wants to lynch gale.

Sensai and I are in the hood. Sensai was thinking about it but no he hasn't made a firm decision. Yet, Sensai's thoughts on the day vig didn't matter though did they?

[Drunken Pirates]

Fluminator, The dayvig went through on DS before he full claimed, with zero party approval and as a fake vig so we couldn't even get last reads out of DS. If you're town, you oughta realize how hinky that is.

[Drunken Pirates]

Deadline is in like a week. There's no rush ABR.

RaL, party chat please.

[Drunken Pirates]

Umm hello? Really?

[Drunken Pirates]

You're at L minus 1 without claiming ABR...

[Drunken Pirates]

Okay, before I claim let me gather a few info. Who are all in my wagon right now?

Abr, Yoyo, Lowkey, DGB, Skybird, Fluminator, itlepip, and Zulfy

[Drunken Pirates]

DUDE NO TIME FOR LYING FULL CLAIM NOW, FLAVOR, ROLE, ACTIONS. NOW.

I agree. You should be doing this.

[Drunken Pirates]

Nobody trusts you dude, claim now wtf

I can give him time. i trust him. Gale's wagon is recycled Klingon.

[Drunken Pirates]

Skyburd voting you but why are you not claiming???

Mister Echo chamber, you're in hammer range too. Why aren't you claiming?

[Drunken Pirates]

19) Then Yos pulls up posts from my ISO, which is a hasty attempt to find posts in a player's ISO to scum read them. This is what bothers me, because a player who is townie would behave the way you did with my posts. You read through my posts, mentioned that you see me as scum and want me to find a scum if I am town and then questions me about my reads. What Yos did was purely scummy. If he had just voted for pressure, it would have made sense. But he tries to put it as though he is not voting me because of ABR's pressure, but because my posts are scummy to him. Like Hello! If my posts were scummy to you, why didn't you raise any of those questions earlier? There were a couple of interactions we had before, and none of them seem to indicate that you were scum reading me. Then were is the progression here? It is like Null -> Scum -> Lynch Vote in one post.

I hadn't paid much attention to you before, honestly. It's hard to deeply read everyone and everything in a game this big. But with ABR and Lowkey and others thinking you were scum, I needed to go back and do a full re-read of your posts in ISO in order to form my own opinion. If I had looked at your posts and concluded that you looked town, i would have said so; that's what I did when ABR was trying to lynch Sky, for example. But when I looked at your posts more deeply, there were a number of big problems there, and not really anything that struck me as town-ish.

And from the way you've reacted to the votes, the way you lashed out, the way you spun your own reads on a dime to suit your tactical needs, and the way you've refused to actually defend yourself or really respond to anything, I've come to the conclusion that I was right.

Everything you've done in the past several pages has been really, really scummy; nothing seems to come from a town point of view.

I've repeatedly tried to give you a chance to explain yourself, and you've shown no desire to do so, probably because you know I'm right; instead you've been trying to manipulate people who are already suspicious of ABR and feed into their paranoia.

quick gale! campaign for mc over conftown, lie your ass off no less than 4 times, throw shade on a slot that has a way to confirm themselves and be a miserable butt so that yoyo can townread you! that is what he means by when he says he wants you to do something towny.

@ yoyo

see now I know you are scum cos you know as well as I do that sometimes when you iso a person you have to click the tiny little number at the top that takes you to thread where the post was made that way you can read things in context. gale is in no way being unreasonable here, you are.

[Drunken Pirates]

19) Then Yos pulls up posts from my ISO, which is a hasty attempt to find posts in a player's ISO to scum read them. This is what bothers me, because a player who is townie would behave the way you did with my posts. You read through my posts, mentioned that you see me as scum and want me to find a scum if I am town and then questions me about my reads. What Yos did was purely scummy. If he had just voted for pressure, it would have made sense. But he tries to put it as though he is not voting me because of ABR's pressure, but because my posts are scummy to him. Like Hello! If my posts were scummy to you, why didn't you raise any of those questions earlier? There were a couple of interactions we had before, and none of them seem to indicate that you were scum reading me. Then were is the progression here? It is like Null -> Scum -> Lynch Vote in one post.

I hadn't paid much attention to you before, honestly. It's hard to deeply read everyone and everything in a game this big. But with ABR and Lowkey and others thinking you were scum, I needed to go back and do a full re-read of your posts in ISO in order to form my own opinion. If I had looked at your posts and concluded that you looked town, i would have said so; that's what I did when ABR was trying to lynch Sky, for example. But when I looked at your posts more deeply, there were a number of big problems there, and not really anything that struck me as town-ish.

And from the way you've reacted to the votes, the way you lashed out, the way you spun your own reads on a dime to suit your tactical needs, and the way you've refused to actually defend yourself or really respond to anything, I've come to the conclusion that I was right.

Everything you've done in the past several pages has been really, really scummy; nothing seems to come from a town point of view.

I've repeatedly tried to give you a chance to explain yourself, and you've shown no desire to do so, probably because you know I'm right; instead you've been trying to manipulate people who are already suspicious of ABR and feed into their paranoia.

quick gale! campaign for mc over conftown, lie your ass off no less than 4 times, throw shade on a slot that has a way to confirm themselves and be a miserable butt so that yoyo can townread you! that is what he means by when he says he wants you to do something towny.

@ yoyo

see now I know you are scum cos you know as well as I do that sometimes when you iso a person you have to click the tiny little number at the top that takes you to thread where the post was made that way you can read things in context. gale is in no way being unreasonable here, you are.

[Drunken Pirates]

Yo he already claimed like 5 times. lol

Yeah, but this one will have to be the truth or turbo lynch. No take backs.

[Drunken Pirates]

GWS, abr is scum. You are at l minus 2. Just claim.

[Drunken Pirates]

I say who lives and who dies, and Gale dies in the next 16 hours. Sit your ass down and enjoy the show Titus.

god you fucking disgusting

[Drunken Pirates]

No we have majority. The hood is filled with scum.

yeah 2 confirmed town plus 1 slot who will be able to confirm themselves and the person who started off as mc are all scum huh

like wow

[Drunken Pirates]

I don't buy the claim. Spiffleh was a 1-shot vig, so was Cooldog, and so is pip. This guy is scum.

No. Pip is scum.

@Gale, Would you shoot whoever you were told to by the party no questions asked?

[Drunken Pirates]

@Gale, Would you shoot whoever you were told to by the party no questions asked?

Yeah obviously, but it should make a little bit of sense. Like I won't Kill my towniest read.

Ok, who would you not kill with it?

[Drunken Pirates]

Sensai, party chat please

[Drunken Pirates]

Night Vig, and I need to kill a scum with it or go on three adventures.

What do you mean by this?
Like if you don't shoot scum then it fails?

No if I don't shoot scum, then the ability is not unlocked. Also, if I don't shoot scum I get a perm hated vote.

This feels like a lot of negative utility to happen for missing scum. Vigs like never end up hitting scum.
And when you do you get an ascetic?
Doesn't really sound right. I dunno.

He frankeinsteined the dead flipped roles together to make a believable fakeclaim.

He wanted to buy time because he was pm'ing Varsoon for a fakeclaim.

He's been wagoned for awhile. He would have a fakeclaim in mind.

Stop trying to rush lynch your counterwagon.

[Drunken Pirates]

The only thing is that a vig is a provable claim.

And one we can leash. We can wreck scum for the bad dayvig.

[Drunken Pirates]

No. Tired of this shit. I want a lynch now.

Vig is not provable. Scum can have an extra kill. I had one in my last scum role in large theme Advanced Wars mafia. I had factional kill + 1-shot NK.

Well that's why we pick who he kills. If it's scum, he has to shoot his buddy or claim scum.

[Drunken Pirates]

The only thing is that a vig is a provable claim.

And one we can leash. We can wreck scum for the bad dayvig.

See below post.
There's too much power in this game that his shot not going through if leashed is bound to happen anyway. At least the chances are good.

Watchers and Trackers resolve that.

[Drunken Pirates]

I caught 3 scum already. The chances of us hypothetically picking a kill target right is minuscule. We can't let him live.

You bussed Max giving scum power, DS wasn't caught groupscum, but the vig who shot your buddy. Gale hasn't flipped.

[Drunken Pirates]

I dunno. All in all didn't really love the claim BUT I'm not gonna worry about that. My read on gale still leans to scum.
Especially after reading that he'd vig me if given a logical reason.
That was like wow.

It shows Gale's derp town. What kind of scum says they'll vig the immune MC?

[Drunken Pirates]

I dunno. All in all didn't really love the claim BUT I'm not gonna worry about that. My read on gale still leans to scum.
Especially after reading that he'd vig me if given a logical reason.
That was like wow.

why are you ignoring that abr said that the hood is full of scum?

I wld really like an answer to this question.

[Drunken Pirates]

Gale is one of the best players I've had the chance to play with last year. This guy is a killer. Fantastic scumhunter. The most far away from derptown as you can imagine. Also didn't we call Diamond derptown too? Remember how that turned out?

Diamond wasn't group scum though was he?

[Drunken Pirates]

Me neither.

TCC after the Vc is posted, you should vote ABR if it's not hammer.

[Drunken Pirates]

Gale is one of the best players I've had the chance to play with last year. This guy is a killer. Fantastic scumhunter. The most far away from derptown as you can imagine. Also didn't we call Diamond derptown too? Remember how that turned out?

Then why were you ignoring my Flum read?

Because you're scum, I've made that abundantly clear.

I had been scum reading you for a long ass time before I said anything about it. You threatened to replace out so I purposely hid my scumread of you until you were more invested in the game.

f you were scumreading them then why no support when I wanted it?

[Drunken Pirates]

rylai i think gogurt is town. cerby is what is throwing me off.

[Drunken Pirates]

When Gale flips scum it will point a direct finger to TCC and Drunken Pirates.

yeah

by all means try to lynch us before we can confirm ourselves. titus thought that scum wld try this and I was like "no1 can be that dumb", well I guess they can.

sometimes i don't mind being proven wrong.

I am calling out yoyo for pushing bad strategy and somehow that makes me weird lol.

[Drunken Pirates]

MC: Yosarian2

DP, do you care to post a defense for your actions yesterday?

sure! gimme a minute to type to out 1 of my big long posts.

[Drunken Pirates]

okay so here we go.

what you are dealing with is a dissonant hydra who cldn't come together on d1 and d2. the agreement that was in place was broken by titus and I have spent 3 weeks being in deep frustration. titus has not wanted to bend so I have been the 1 who has had to. I have had you and abr as town but when you spend roughly 4 hours a day of some1 whispering in your ear that "pssst they are scum" and being a paranoid person in general you start to believe them.

I think the weirdness you picked up on was our dissonance which is pretty bad.

tammy summed up in machina postgame my feelings and frustrations in this hydra:

But in many instances, it feels like what you mean when you say you want town to work together is that you want town to do what you want them to do, and that's not how this game works.

I had both max and gale in my crosshairs since d1 but conceded to titus cos some1 had to concede and she wasn't budging. so I did. d2 I said I was going to pivot the game from that angle and I tried but both you and abr started acting weird and it freaked me out. like we have a confirmable role lol. it isn't like I make this claim lightly.

gale and max were both scumreads of mine. titus insisted they were town. then we went into the night round and titus was like "we are going with mollie's reads" and sensei was talking about kicking us out of the party. titus was like "that is anti-town" but I was like I understand, I understand cos the dissonance is awful. I didn't think it was antit-own at all and will fight every1 on this. I posted a readslist that was mine and mine alone and it had you and abr as town as well as lowkey. I told sensei that I thought that you wld be good replacement for diamond. drixx made a post that was all like "you shld learn from titus" and I blew a fuse and went off on him and titus and said something out titus being in the top 5 players of the worst players I have played with. mebbe she is not in the top 5 BUT SHE IS IN THE TOP 20. lol. I know on some level she is trying tho. after that titus made a post saying we were not on the same page even tho when we talked on the phone I thought we were.

so I can't blame sensei for kicking us out!

I am working from my readslist in this day round. titus is gonna leave abr alone. so I am gonna try to do the best I can to pull together the remnants of what has happened and try to work from there.

our lynchpool in this day round was zulfy and klingon. I feel less certain right now cos you and abr are freaking me out with your self-voting mc when sensei included you both in the party. like you are already there what are you guys doing lol.

so i am going to try to take my time and figure some things out on my own and follow my own judgment and titus is gonna let me.

there was no nk in the night round and abr and us have both claimed bp when we actually are and haven't needed to lie about our role. itelpip getting treestumped is weird.

so I am at the stage of trying to figure things out.

[Drunken Pirates]

abr can you explain the skybird read plz?

also cuke pple read? gogurts seems a bit town to me but cerby keeps setting off my alarm.

also zulfy and klingon reads wld be helpful.

also if you don't wanna work with us I get it, titus has deathtunneled the fuck out of you. and I helped. sorry for that.

[Drunken Pirates]

I said I would work with Titus after day 3 when she has associatives and flips she can work on. I look forward to that.

I think it's in the best interest of town if you claim your role though. How is it that you can confirm yourself? Can Titus explain her thoughts progression since day 1 until now?

Pirate what did you discuss together last night after Gale's flip?

titus has you as scum

we have probably talked about you more than any other player and I have been defending you cos tonally you seem town but I disagree with your play. I can set it aside tho. even tho it grates on my circulatory and nervous system.

we already said what our role was and that it will be confirmable when there are 10 players left.

we both came up with zulfy independently and for similar reasons wrt titus's vca.

gale was a scumread of mine since d1 but titus was like THEY ARE TOOOOOWN. I conceded. gale flipped scum which is why I am working from my own reads now. and titus is okay with it.

I have learned so much about titus and what I hope to learn from her even tho in the hood I said she cld teach me nothing in my blow up is to not give up on a player and shove my ass back in beginner's mind.

titus started the game with "I go into the game looking at the playerlist and knowing who is lynchbait". then she hard defends them. I think this is a terrible approach. when talked about it further after the gale flip I think she finally heard "lynchbait can be scum too". this game is on the heels of dramalama's game where she felt games were kind of elitist and I am like no that is not what is happening here. I think if you pivot the game from that thought process it will colour your reads and lead you to the wrong conclusions cos you are entering the game with preconceived ideas that will affect your gameplay.

talk to her about it abr. right now I am being a draconian hellbitch in that I am like "don't post" until I see progress where she does not deathtunnel you and yoyo. she needs to do a hard reset. I mean unless she is right about you and yoyo but I really want to try to orient us from my perspective in you both are town. I haven't been given the chance to play it out where I cld make a better call.

she thinks that you are not really trying to work with her but it goes back to what tammy says. she wants you to follow her reads and if you are not then you are not working with her (she has you as scum btw). this is why our hydra has been frustrating. she isn't absorbing feedback but I am hoping that she eventually will?

cld you plz look at zulfy? we both arrived at the same conclusion about him but she wants a klingon flip cos if klingon is scum she thinks you will be town. I am not sold on that, cos if klingon flips town then she will have you as scum and I feel like it is a false dichotomy that she is setting up.

plz talk to me.

[Drunken Pirates]

It wasn't just Titus. You also called me scum yesterday. And you called me scum because I was trying to lynch Gale, and you defended Gale against my case.

At the end of the day, Gale was being super-obv scum, and instead of backing that wagon, you guys tried to push through a quicklynch of ABR, taking advantage of both the scum-fire vote and Klingon's double vote to try and push through a bad lynch against the will of a majority of the town.

That's especally concerning because it seemed obvious to me not only that Gale was going to flip scum, but that when he did, ABR was going to be really obvtown. So trying to lynch ABR was not just scummy because it looks like a desperate counterwagon to keep Gale alive, but also on it's own merits.

And earlier, when I came up with a brilliant plan to use the MC role to block the scum hatred ability, you called me scum and blocked my plan. Your whole reaction there was weird; you clearly seemed to understand my plan, and yet you tried really hard to act like you thought it was bad strategy for no clear reason. While you were defending at least one of the scum with the hatred ability.

And you guys seemed to have no hesitation lynching cooldog even though by the end of day 1 he was looking pretty town.

And Titus tried to abuse her position in the adventuring party to push the town to do anti-town things. And she tried to claim that lynching max and vigging DS were *scum tells*.

And now Sensei is telling us in the adventure chat that yesterday you guys refused to tell him what ability you were sparking up.

The fact that you earlier claimed to be suspicious of Gale just makes your defense of him look even worse.

I'm sorry, I really just have to conclude that you are likely scum with Gale and Max here.

vote:Drunken Pirates

wait what?

we never refused, no1 asked us. we sparked dodge. atlast not that I remember.

also

I kinda feel like you didn't read my post at all.

but I am going to tell YOU what YOU told ME in that shld have us town by now. and it is really weird that you are trying to lynch a confirmable role.

[Drunken Pirates]

we already said what our role was and that it will be confirmable when there are 10 players left.

I mean I semi- believe you that you become lynchproof or bulletproof or something at that point.

But we've seen two lynchproof people so far this game, and both were scum. Even if true you claim does not confirm you, not in this game.

yeah. there is a game where there are a bunch of lynchproofs running around that way if they did not get lynched it wld be an auto-win for scum and that always exists.

we are are bp now and if we were scum it wld be game over when there wld be 10 players alive where we wld be lynchproof so auto-win for scum.

do you really think that is what is going on?

ffs, use your critical thought process. your scenario does not work out when you play the tape through.

[Drunken Pirates]

but I am going to tell YOU what YOU told ME in that shld have us town by now. and it is really weird that you are trying to lynch a confirmable role.

I was reading you as town.

Maybe you really did just go deep into the pool of paranioa and jumped to all the wrong conclusions. That's still possible. I have to say, though, that when I see a strong player doing things that just seem to keep "accently" being moves that advance the scum win condition, I have to wonder if it's intentional.

what is this I don't even

[Drunken Pirates]

Full claim please. It's up to the town to decide if you are too dangerous to keep around until you are indestructable.

we already have.

its a confirmable role.

[Drunken Pirates]

I am saying that I have a very high opinion of your mafia skills, Mollie.

first I have heard of it except when you chastised me for not reading you as town cos you are being weird.

It makes me think "That does not look like a town-Mollie post."

I mean, I made a solid case against Gale based on his play, especially his play around the Max wagon, and he dismisses it with some vague comment about "not reading his posts in context". I keep pressing him to explain the context that he thought would justify it, and he keeps just being vague and avoiding any specific defense.

And you read that and say "I know Yos is scum here because he's not reading posts in context"???

That does not look like a town-Mollie post. That looks like a post by a skillful scum-Mollie who is trying to protect a scumbuddy with an incredibly powerful role, and specifically is trying to manipulate the people who were already paranoid about ABR.

I mean, my case against Gale has nothing to do with ABR at all, and Gale's refusal to defend himself properly also had nothing to do with ABR at all, so why did you even throw it in there? If you were really trying to read Gale, or me, or whatever, there's no point. But if you're trying to manipulate certain people, it makes perfect sense.

if you read my post I explained what was going on.

did you read my post yoyo? and why did you say that we had refused to say what was sparked? like what gave you that idea?

also YOU are being weird cos you know I don't run around saying "WE HAVE A CONFIRMABLE ROLE AT 10 PLAYERS" when there are 2 scum down. like in what world does that make sense.

@ abr - the answer to your question is yes. do you see now why I have been so weirded out about everything and it seemed like titus was making sense? scum have got to have a herd of cannons armed with flying roleblocking hated ninja sharks who are on fire in order to balance our role.

scum have every motivation to try to lynch us before our role gets activated.

I usually do not like playing to roles cos I think that is subpar play but I didn't get my way about anything d1 and d2.

[Drunken Pirates]

Also to those that still think klingon is scum do you honestly believe both less-experienced scum that have flipped bussed their partner this hardly?

klingon didn't vote gale and she didn't vote on d1 I don't think. zulfy didn't vote for max cos for some strange reason he thinks abr and us are somehow scum together and as titus and I have both said in the hood, he is in the bussing zone for gale. lol, we came up with this independently.

anyways

MC: sensei

I wanna hear from dgb and lowkey.

[Drunken Pirates]

Also, mollie.
For clarification; does your role confirm you are town via hard mod reveal or is your role simply provable?

how is we will be confirmable town not being understood here.

our role pm says we will be confirmed in thread. that is why if any1 who comes after us who knows me at all is most likely scum or they are derping. I am hoping that yoyo is derping.

@ abr - we already flavour claimed we are T260G.

[Drunken Pirates]

Fair point TCC. Can you vote me for MC?

you are already in the party can I ask why do you wanna be MC so badly?

cos I am sticking with confirmed town.

[Drunken Pirates]

Mollie, what is the flavour written above that part of your abilities?
Paraphrase if needed.

why are you even asking this and what are you asking for exactly?

we are deplorable if that is what you are asking. we also forgot our mission as far as the very top unbolded goes. I am hoping we don't even get to 10 players I am hoping we can kill this game before that cos I love flawless victories. but yeah if we do will be confirmed.

[Drunken Pirates]

Leadership is taking a toll on Sensei. He revealed to us that he is becoming paranoid and stressed. He doesn't want to be MC for the rest of the game, even though he doesn't trust anyone 100% yet (those in the party are close to it). It's affecting his play in a negative way because he feels that if he pushes someone everyone will just sheep him and he would be unable to get reads.

I will make a better town MC.

okay I know how paranoia can work on the mind but you are in the party now and can be provide strong support like he will probs listen to what you have to say. unless you have the same problem that titus has and want to be in control.

I guess I am not understanding why you wld want to veto him out. if you are town then shldn't you be trusting his judgment since he added you to the party?

titus and I have spent hours arguing your alignment do you have any how much I want to be right about your alignment right now

[Drunken Pirates]

Well you know how people are, once they get power they try to hold onto it no matter what like gollum in LOTR.

I mean, whos scumhunting are you most impressed with?

I promised one scum by day 3, I caught 3. What more can I do?

who is the third?

[Drunken Pirates]

Mollie, what is the flavour written above that part of your abilities?
Paraphrase if needed.

why are you even asking this and what are you asking for exactly?

we are deplorable if that is what you are asking. we also forgot our mission as far as the very top unbolded goes. I am hoping we don't even get to 10 players I am hoping we can kill this game before that cos I love flawless victories. but yeah if we do will be confirmed.

Because everyone has flavour for each of their abilities, it adds to the validity of your claim. Innocent Child and your role seem like an odd match.

I am not entirely sure how more valid our claim can be at this point. like if it gets to 10 pple and it isn't confirmed then lynch us. or lynch us now cos it wld be funny with our flip cos we exactly what I am telling you we are.

[Drunken Pirates]

I have said those already.

we will be confirmed in thread and we will be indestructible.

makes sense for an indestructible robot who is the main character yeah?

I find it strange you are pestering me about this when you have not given 1 solid truth about your own role. god plz be town after all of my hard defending.

[Drunken Pirates]

can we lynch him now?

this is like the only read titus and I can intersect.

VOTE: zulfy

[Drunken Pirates]

I get that Titus was supposedly scum reading me and "screaming in your ear all day" and that threw you off, but it seems unlikely to me that that would throw you off so much that you would end up defending one of your for scum reads against me like that, and call me "scum' for making a solid case against them. Especially since earlier in the game it sounded like Titus was coming around and starting to town-read me or at least be unsure, so her reads aren't making any sense to me either.

For that matter, Titus's claimed reads also feel hard to believe. Did you really just say that Titus is still scum-reading ABR?

you...haven't seen titus when she is on 1 of her death tunnels have you?

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=56&t=60945

go to where she gets into it with three pronged god saying that they were not town confirmed masons. I think the other mason had flipped at some point. like no really this happened. I was on the phone with kuribo 1 time and I think i listened for like an hour to him ranting about titus I kid you not. on the commune there for a time the expression used when some1 was being derpy in a game was "don't be a titus".

she is deferring her reads to me and I have him as town as well as I have said that if titus makes any attempt to fuck with abr any more than she already has I was gonna fly to california and handcuff her to a table in another room away from her computer. I am trying to give him breathing room here.

It's not just your play. Both your play and Titus's play feel scummy to me right now. Neither of your reads are really believable to me at this point.

Like, can you explain to me why you couldn't see that Gale was scum late in the day yesterday?

I haven't given my reads in this thread yet, I did give them in the hood tho. they are very different. zulfy is the only thing we can agree on but then she will go "nope wicked was town". and I have thought gale was scummy since d1 and was trying to work with errant on that read but titus kept interfering.

Sensei said that in the adventure yesterday, you were "super vague" about your role and didn't even share what you had sparked. His words, not mine.

he never asked. and I have not been super vague about our role at all this game I have stated what it was which you yelled at me for.

Both Max and Gale also claimed a conformable role. Gale was lying, but Max was telling the truth, ish.

ours is mod confirmed. that is the difference.

At this point, I just don't really care about role, because I have no idea anymore what a scum role in this game might or might not look like. If I'm going to get back to town-reading you, it's going to have to be at mostly based on behavior in-thread, not based on role.

you can start by engaging me and stop being a titus. like ask me for my reads and shit. they have been nothing like hers the entire game.

I know it sounds like I am being mean to her here and we have talked on the phone constantly and I truly love her. she is fun, engaging, and is actually highly intelligent. she just can't read pple tonally (aspberger's) and thinks everything can be fakeable. she has a hard time nuancing emotions but is fantastic at things like research, info gathering and piecing it together.

I think what has happened between you and I is that I have been torn in 2 directions and you were starting to not make sense cos you approach the game differently than I do and I really feel like you shld at the very least be trusting me. or at least listening to the times when tried I to sneak my own thoughts in. like why did not ever work with those.

anyways you got a choice now, you can start your own death tunnel on us or you give us to confirm ourselves as town. I am hoping to work with you and abr and mebbe lowkey and defo the party. I think gogurts is townish I am liking him more and more it is cerby who keeps throwing me off. he is going back and looking at things and even if he disagreed with me I wld still like him for town.

I think scum are in zulfy and klingon. with a distant possibility of meeeeebbe dgb but I ain't going there until zulfy and klingon are sorted. I hope that I am right and I won't have to go there at all cos I like my track record of reading dgb and I never want to wrongly suspect her ever.

[Drunken Pirates]

Also, wait. I'm confused. You guys started sparked "dodge" yestereday?

Why would you start down the "dodge" path of skills if you guys are going to be invincible anyway?

DODGE DRAIN: Your vote may never be affected in any way by other players.
DODGE NET: Your night actions may never be stopped by other players who target you to stop them (a kill can't be roleblocked but can be protected from).
DODGE SEDUCTION: Your role may never be negatively affected by other player's night actions (this includes becoming a treestump).
DODGE THUNDER: You may not be killed.
DODGE DEATHGRIP: Once per night, choose a player; none of that player's abilities (including factional) will affect you and that player can not vote for you during the following day/night cycle.

That seems a weird path to start to go down if the key part of your role is that you become unkillable anyway.

we didn't want our vote fucked with precisely cos we WLD be alive forever cos we are like a cockroach. you cld freeze us then thaw us out and we wld still be alive.

you can change chains yanno it just sets you back on a skill tree.

[Drunken Pirates]

Yeah they could. It's in the techniques list.

plz plz plz be town. plz.

do you get where I am coming at with zulfy and klingon? if you think I am wrong tell me where I am erring in my assessment.

[Drunken Pirates]

also cerby if you don't leave rylai alone (confirmed town) and dgb space I am going to hunt you down and dropkick you in both kneecaps then I will put a pillow over your face and sit on it. I may even remove the pillow and fart in your face and then put the pillow back and sit on it some more. IRL

@ dgb - I think zzthing is town. I felt like his whole reaction to not seeing abr doc-ing sensei looked like he was all like "I CAUGHT SCUM WITH MY CLEVER PLAN MWUAHAHA". if you think abr is town there is a good chance zzthing is too. I think. his reaction to his night result seems genuine to me. I dunno but that is where my thinking is right now.

[Drunken Pirates]

Ok, that is interesting. Mod confirmed how? Does the mod confirm just your rolename? Your ability? Your alignment? What will the mod tell us, exactally?

see you ask questions like this and I struggle to see the town motivation in them especially with you letting abr lie nearly about everything and never questioned him at all. it makes me think my read on you is wrong but I am sticking with it.

I also answered this question already. abr asked if we wld confirmed as IC and I said yes. it will be announced in thread that are with the protagonists.

I am trying to engage you.

I'm interested to hear your reads, but really what I want is a more detailed explination of the stuff you guys did yesterday that I detailed a few posts ago. If it was all Titus pushing you to scumread me and ABR and defend Gale, then I'd like to hear her explain why. Also if you didn't agree with her, you certanly didn't sound like it in thread.

see again this sets off alarm bells cos you are trying to get titus to post and not give me room in the game. <----- that is anti-town at this point. in order to keep titus from spamposting I followed her leads even tho I disagreed with them but you MADE POSTS LIKE THIS and that is why I wld doubt my read and think she is right. and it shld be obvs titus was the 1 who was defending gale I doubt you have this much trouble telling us apart. I DID say that our read on gale was town cos there was nothing else to do but go with what titus said at the time. but I don't think I defended her.

I take it you have never had a hydra partner who refused to bend and wld not listen to you and remain stubborn in their reads.
at the time there was no working with titus, I posted that quote that tammy made cos it is super relevant to this game.

look at my exchanges with errant d1. I said "I see where you are coming from with gale" and then titus wld take over. it happened a cple of times. I gave up.

I don't death tunnel in the sense you mean. I question and put pressure on people I suspect with the goal of constantly refining my reads them, and then steadily ratchet up the pressure until they answer my questions and find a way to change my mind (or get lynched, whichever comes first). I don't like to back down when I have a suspect until I have them sorted one way or the other. But I always am willing to consider new evidence.

About your suspects, why klingon? Haven't you bern town reading her super hard all game?

I haven't been town reading klingon I have stated this repeatedly. I was trusting titus's meta read on her and then fully realized how titus orients herself in the game and no she shld never use meta. ever.

but I will and I DO.

my reads:

I have you as town cos I have all game that you have been reaching out to me until your arm has fallen off and in early game our reads were in sync. I think you were correct to fuss at me for not townreading you cos I was going against my own read but ffs *titus* and some of the things you say (like just now) make me doubt myself. but I am going to stick with my reads here and chalk it up to you not thoroughly reading my posts and chasing after shiny things.

I think abr is town. good lord the amount of time I spent on defending some1 who hates me is funny. I disagree with his playstyle and nothing he has done makes sense but I still say town.

I think zzthing is town for reasons I have stated.

I think lowkey is town he is the 1 read where I got my way on as in I wldn't let titus touch him.

itelpip is confirmed. yaye! I am thinking our confirm will look like his minus the treestump.

sensei and rylai are confirmed in my mind.

I think drixx is town.

cuke pple look fantastic whenever gogurts posts. titus thinks cerby is town cos he agrees with her pod pple posts. I feel like gogurts is really trying here, he is trying to solve the game from his understanding. I say town at this point.

I think skybird is town. I won't join that wagon despite me wanting to work with abr. she looks like lost town not lost scum.

I am unsure about dgb but I have already explained how I feel about her. we had early match up in processes of thoughts on d1. everything except for the abr mc vote. I am sitting on this read cos I want to give her space and see what happens.

flum is steadily unsure but him asking for us to NOT be in the party sort of makes me think town? very unsure on him.

this leaves zulfy and klingon. titus wants klingon to go first and superseding that and saying zulfy. who has been acting weird even for him. plus I think errant had more than 1 scum in his crosshairs.

stop anklebiting me cos that is what you are doing. YOU were the 1 who was all like "max is town cos 1 shot unlynchable" when I am saying role is not like that. we will be confirmed.

so I say keep your hate-on for us in your pants. give it time. if you are town then you will see we are of the same alignment as you.

[Drunken Pirates]

I was talking to cerb if it wan't obvious

mollie what do you need to finish the IC confirmation? your just adding WIFOM to thread atm. if it wasn't a particular adventure (or you would have claimed it in MC last night) then what is it ?

~Rylai

I have said what we needed no less than 12 trillion times. our role is not tied to adventure parties altho sparking dodge helps it in the long run. it is why I said WE DON'T NEED TO BE MC COS WE ARE BP AND WE DON'T NEED TO BE IN THE PARTY!!!!

titus is the 1 who suggested we be in the party cos she wanted to be involved.

I am not adding wifom to the thread you pple are somehow managing to do it to yourselves by not paying attention.

I didn't think we needed to claim our role AGAIN or how it wld be activated cos apparently I had this really stupid idea that you read it the first 5 times I said it and none of you asked.

[Drunken Pirates]

also mollie i didnt see u mention dbg. whats ur dbg read?

I am unsure about dgb but I have already explained how I feel about her. we had early match up in processes of thoughts on d1. everything except for the abr mc vote. I am sitting on this read cos I want to give her space and see what happens.

you pple really don't freaking read my posts do you

[Drunken Pirates]

My fucking reads are not theme based.

I know stuff about theme but none of my reads are theme based.

I knew ABR was lying becuase I have a similar part in my role pm and its nt mentioning the effect of the prize. I knew he was lieing becuase Sensei has a similar part in his role and he has no idea about the prize.

So if you fucking can't read my posts don't blame me that I can't read yours.

~Rylai

FFS

I'll be ignoring you from now on

thats healthier

~Rylai

who are these posts directed to?

@ cerby - he is clearly trying to feel you out on your klingon read.

and I cldn't read your readslist without the breakups into paragraphs. can you plz leave rylai alone I don't want to have you down and pay for a plane ticket just to put a pillow on your head and sit on it.

[Drunken Pirates]

Ok, that is interesting. Mod confirmed how? Does the mod confirm just your rolename? Your ability? Your alignment? What will the mod tell us, exactally?

I also answered this question already. abr asked if we wld confirmed as IC and I said yes. it will be announced in thread that are with the protagonists.

The mod will confirm in thread that you are pro-town when there are 10 people left alive. And you are 100% sure of this? No possible chance for confusion in you role, no wiggle room? Check with the mod if you have to, make 100% sure of this before you answer.

see again this sets off alarm bells cos you are trying to get titus to post and not give me room in the game. ----- that is anti-town at this point.

If you can not defend you actions, because Titus was responsible for all of them, then yes, I want to hear her defend them.

It's not anti-town for me to demand a real response from you guys. And sorry, but you blaming Titus and then not letting her answer for herself does not count as a defense.

in order to keep titus from spamposting I followed her leads even tho I disagreed with them but you MADE POSTS LIKE THIS and that is why I wld doubt my read and think she is right.

(sigh) Look, I know you understand why I suspect you. You have to.

What you're doing here is basically threatening to scumread me unless I stop questioning you, and that simply will not work. It's stuff like this that makes me scumread you, Mollie; not Titus, you

and it shld be obvs titus was the 1 who was defending gale I doubt you have this much trouble telling us apart.

The post i was just trying to ask you about where you defended Gale was you, not Titus. You even accidently posted it from your own account and not the hydra account. You called my case on Gale bad and said i was scum for making it, remember?

if you do not understand that I have repeatedly said I was fucking strongarmed into reading supporting titus then I have no words.

I don't give a flying fuck.

titus took a giant fucking dump on this hydra. I have said this 20 billion times. she fucked me over.

I am not threatening you with scumreading what the fuck is even up with that. I am saying that your lack of any sort of effort to go back and look at MY posts and MY reads and trying to push the hydra dissonance as if I am somehow responsible for it sucks. I have tried to make the best of a bad situ.

lynch us. I don't give a fuck.

cerby you can srsly throw yourself in front of a train if you cannot understand what the fuck "we are mod confirmable in thread and we are indestructible" I mean srsly holy shit. I also think what you are doing to your hydra is what titus did to me which is to be really stupid and yet call other pple stupid cos of your inability to comprehend simple sentences.

like srsly stop posting cos you are awful. you don't pester your townreads.

@ yoyo - I have no words. I HOPE that you are scum cos I cannot imagine that you are this awful. and you are totally taking advantage of my inability to articulate myself.

I fucking hate games that make me cry. I never try to break player ever. but y'all do whatever the fuck you want my thoughts were in the previous hood y'all are being stupid if you leave zulfy and klingon alone but by all means do whatever.

[Drunken Pirates]

Hey,

I am VLA today. Deal with it.

~Titus

[Drunken Pirates]

Mollie, I am not trying to make you cry, I am not trying to be awful, and I am not trying to "take advantage" of anything. I am trying to give you (or Titus, or whoever) a chance to explain yourself. Not because I don't like you (you know that I do), and not because I'm being mean or picking on you, but simply because I think you may have drawn a scum role this game. And you know, if you did, that doesn't make you a bad person, it's just what the game is.

Look, if you can't explain anything else, at least just please answer this one question:

The mod will confirm in thread that you are pro-town when there are 10 people left alive. And you are 100% sure of this? No possible chance for confusion in you role, no wiggle room? Check with the mod if you have to, make 100% sure of this before you answer.

I am sorry for my emotionalism yoyo and I don't want you to feel responsible for it. it is more of a clusterfuck of things about this game.

varsona said there are no lies in this game from the mod. then he stated the portion of our role that I was asking about. we will be mod-confirmed. <------ how many times do I have to state this before you pple become less confused? I mean to me
"you will be mod confirmed" shld be fairly easy to understand and I really feel like I am using simple words here and not being ambiguous at all. so what part of "you will be mod confirmed" are you having trouble understanding?

like I really don't understand the paranoia around us right now when I am telling you we can confirm ourselves. you can lynch us if it doesn't happen but i am telling you that it will.

if you need to lynch us in order to confirm it in your own mind so that you can look dumb and irrational and SCUMMY then just do it.

I am sorry yoyo I don't wanna be mean to you but you ask me questions and don't understand the answers even tho I am being pretty straightforward and I feel like this is prozack's game all over again with ckd and starbuck. I was constantly being accused of not answering their questions when I did they just did not understand the answers. I have answered your questions at least half a dozen times. but you know what? you haven't bothered to answer mine. like why are you picking on us when I am really being transparent here but did nothing about abr's lying except to "GO ABR!". like explain that to me cos it is things like that that make me doubt my read on you.

cerby I know that you aren't trying to make me miserable this game is just very frustrating.

flum tulpas are something I find bizarre but fascinating. mebbe postgame we can have a discussion on them along with gogurt.

anyways catching up

[Drunken Pirates]

From my stand up in the volcano

why is thing still alive

[Drunken Pirates]

I also want mollie to explain that as well so thanks for the reminder.

explain what? how many times have I said that I had gale as scum? like no really this is why i don't shit anymore cos you are not fucking reading my posts. and not just you no1 is.

[Drunken Pirates]

I'm tired of players "taking things to the hood" as if that will solve anything. Yosarian and I are the only ones who are saying that the game should be played in the thread, not in a hood. We won't accept it. Sensei and Drixx are continuing to play as if they are the only ones in this town, and that nobody else can lynch scum.

I'm tired of it.

Rylai, Drixx, I've heard all of their "plans". Here's a newsflash. There's no plan that's going to save us. There's no magic bullet that is going to make the town instantly win because we predicted the right sequence of night actions. I specifically parodied this "end of the world if we don't vote me as MC" nonsense yesterday as a vaccine to the inevitable stubborn infallible plan that will save us from the evil scum.

Put in the work and scumhunt in-thread like everybody else. You're not better than anyone.

We're going to win the old-fashioned way, that's how Lowell did it, that's how Mith did it, and that's how Mafiascum does it.

I truly hate it when you post things that I agree with.

[Drunken Pirates]

Why didn't you want titus to defend gale in thread? How would that have been worse for gale?

it wld not have been worse for gale it was worse for titus. who's reads have been off all game.

about 20 thousand times I have said that I entered this hydra with the anticipation of titus being willing to learn when that didn't happen at all. I told you how she is orienting the game that is why her early reads are off. she is gathering info now in a way she can organize and apply and came up with the same conclusion that I did and as I said in the hood: zulfy looks like pondscum.

my own hydra partner doesn't read my posts cos I had already posted it so really no1 does and when they so it is selectively.

fuckng A go read errant's posts then you will understand why he died. I think he had more than 1 scum in his sight.

why the fuck do i have to keep repeating myself.

[Drunken Pirates]

I just want to make sure this is 100% clear and unambiguous. Because I kind of want to unvote you because of your role claim, but I have to understand exactally what it means first, because if I do unvote you for your role claim and the "mod confirmed" thing turns out to not be what you're saying it is, then at that point I am going to have to lynch you.

So I just want to make crystal clear now exactally what "mod confirmed" means. Maybe you could ask the mod exactally what he's going to do? Is he going to say something in thread? Is he going to tell us your role-name, or your alignment, or that you're a giant invincible robot?

don't unvote us cos of our role claim despite it being confirmable. this will the fucking 4th time I have said that our role will be confirmed IN THE THREAD. HE IS GOING TO SAY WE ARE ALIGNED WITH THE PROTAGONISTS AND TOWN. HOW IS THIS CONFUSING TO YOU EXACTALLY????

The more detail you can give me, the better off we are, both now and later. Because there are a lot of slightly different things "mod confirmed" might mean, and the differences are really important right now.

again this is why I doubt my read on you. cos it has already been explained to you and I used simple words to explain it.

Yeah, I understand that; that's why I'm trying to get this claim as specific as possible, so we all know exactally what to expect. Basically, I don't want to be in a situation in a few days where we're all arguing if you were technically confirmed or not and what that means; we're better off if we can get as many details as possible now.

it will be stated in the thread that we are confirmed. as in we will be confirmed and it will be stated. as in we confirmed we shall be. as in we shall be confirmed. as in it will be pretty clear what our alignment will be. as in our alignment will be clear. as in we will be confirmed town. as in confirmed town shall be us.

tell me the part that you are missing here.

There was one point on day 1 when I was really frustrated by ABR lying. That was when I unvoted him as MC. I still find it frustrating.

But at this point, I've basically priced that into his stock if you know what I mean. Yes, he lied about his role. He also is obviously not scum with Max, not scum with Gale, he keeps scumhunting, he's not taking advantage of easy targets, and his play makes a lot of sense to me. Honestly, so long as he keeps lynching scum and looking townie in terms of behavir, he can claim to be a ruban sandwich with pastrami and french dressing if he wants and I would just shrug because i think he's town based on behavior.

pffft, its 1000 island dressing on a rueben. my point is you have not badgered him at all but you keep asking me the same question formatted in different ways when it seems incredulous to me that you keep saying you don't understand.

In your case, though, you are saying that I should trust you and ignore the fact you defended scum *because of your role claim*.

don't fucking misrep me, THIS IS WHY YOU LOOK LIKE SCUM. I NEVER SAID THAT, EVER.

I am going to ignore if you continue to keep up this bullshit cos it is getting really stupid READ MY GODDAMN POSTS. AND DEMONSTRATE THAT YOU HAVE READ THEM

If I am supposed to back off you because of your role claim, then I need to believe it, I need to understand it, I need all the details I can get about it so I can analyze it, and I need to have enough information so when the time comes I will be able to tell for sure if you were telling the truth or not.

what part of our role claim are you not understanding?

me: we are confirmable town. we are T260G. we will be indestructible.
you: so how exactly are you confirmed?
me: we will be town confirmed in thread.
you: how exactally will you be confirmed? by flavour?
abr: are you claiming IC?
me: yes
you: so will you be flavour confirmed? or is it just your role?
me: we will be confirmed as town.
you: I want to nail down the specifics exactally can your role be tampered with?
me: I am gonna ask varsoona.
*asks varsoona*
me: varsoona says that there are no mod lies in this game. we will be confirmed town.
you: so what is exactally your role?
me: the 1 that I said it was.
you: so can you tell me the details of your role?
me: it will be confirmed that we are aligned with the protagonists.
you: I need more info to be sure. what are the details of your role?

and you wonder why the fuck I think you are scummy and wonder if titus is right.

you are trying to engage in a circular argument which is just trash.

[Drunken Pirates]

Okay I went back and reread and I was mistaken.
Titus was actually the one who said "I really want to jump in and defend gale but mollie says that'll be worse for gale."
Then you said don't misrep what I'm saying or something.
So what did you actually say then? Because that was never cleared up.

okay.

lets break this down. do you think titus has listened or heard or properly UNDERSTOOD a single thing I have said in this game?

[] yes
[] no

cos i am pretty sure she hasn't and that is the primary source of my emotional breakdowns other than the fact i keep having to say the same things OVER AND OVER AND OVER AGAIN.

[Drunken Pirates]

Mollie yosarian is town let's move along and stop letting scum hide in the noise.

will we be lynching zulfy? *looks hopeful*

cos I really think that is where we need to go. i am totally willing to unvote him and make up some derptarded reason and patiently wait for abr to get around to voting him that way he will think it is his own idea and I will support him.

@ yoyo

I can see where you cld interpret things like that, this is why I drive reck crazy cos he can never understand what I am saying on the forums he thinks I am speaking some hippie/acid trip/swahelse or something. I am not the best at articulating my thoughts unless we are discussing something clinical. IRL I can use gestures and it helps.

[Drunken Pirates]

She's been claiming to not target anyone to my knowledge.

Well that's obviously crumpets, how many hated-inventors can we have?
And no I don't believe in the flying hated sharks ablaze with machine guns theory.
¬wgeurts

yes you do

it is the only thing that makes sense.

UNVOTE:

until we get this sorted.

does anybody think that 1 of the 15 hated abilities is town and might be compulsive? if so they can stack them on us, it won't matter once we get to 10 players so if there is a town hated ability stack it on us and I am trusting that town won't get derpy.

wasn't zulfy roleblocked tho? and there was no nk?

eta: okay ty cerby I think I get the skybird thing now.

pick up

but an addendum: there is only 1 new claimed hated person which is zulfy and skybird is saying she has the ability to hate some1 but did not use it last night. hhhmmm

[Drunken Pirates]

And yes, zulfy was roleblocked and there was no nk, buf zzzx was also roleblocked, and who knows what protectives we have floating around or other crap people haven't claimed yet that may have contributed to it.

It's not unreasonable that a hated power could be town and compulsive, but why wouldn't skybird just say so as town? Unless you're suggesting that there were 3, one scum, one compulsive, and one town that hasn't been used.

-Cerb

Pedit: zzzx claimed he was roleblocked last night when he attempted to track dgb, and that he is now permanently hated.

he also claimed hated yeah? so that is 2 hated/roleblock claims yeah?

I am trying to work this out.

[Drunken Pirates]

Yes. But one is from itlepip and is temporary.

Let's break this down.

Itlepip could roleblock someone and make them temporarily hated. He targeted DS N1, and Zulfy N2. DS was ascetic, and Zulfy claims they are now hated temporarily.

GWS and skybird can roleblock+permanent hate. Skybird claims they never used their power. Yesterday R&L and Yosarian were permanently hated, one of them likely by GWS. We lynched GWS. Today ZZZX claims he was roleblocked and is now permanently hated.

The key here is that the permanent hated modifiers have never been claimed, except by Skybird, who claims to have never used it in spite of people getting permanently hated all around her. The temporary have all been claimed, and confirmed by the one target who is currently alive and was targeted last night.

-Cerb

ty <3

I am up speed now. I was too busy repeating our role over and over again so lost sight of all the details of what was going on around me.

looking at my spreadsheet rn skybird claimed to be blue. I think I can be good with a skybird lynch I think.

I think.

[Drunken Pirates]

I really wld like for dgb to answer abr's question.

and I wanna hear from lowkey.

[Drunken Pirates]

I would suggest we have Sky roleblock+hatred Zulfy tonight. He's already claimed VT, so if he's telling the truth the roleblock doesn't matter, and another day of temp-hatred wouldn't do any harm to him.

are you honestly saying he is vt? in a...

advertised role madness game?

where is the smart yoyo that I know and love can we have him in this game

@ rylai - can you show me these crumbs? cos I looked at his iso and I found nothing.

[Drunken Pirates]

dgb can you plz answer abr's question?

[Drunken Pirates]

Here are my crumbs

Im going to hit you

I got these fists

those aren't d1 so not what rylai is talking about