Newbie 1766 - Game Over

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lol im town stop voting me

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Im a phone so i cbf voting

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I have a revolutionary announcement!!!!

2 players in this game are scum

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Unlike most people, ive grown to love RVS more than i love my own son

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Sup nerds and rb
VOTE: Political CloutVOTE:

Anyone new to mafia or new to online mafia should check out Huntress's links at the bottom of 1

hi friend

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I tell him I don't even love him as often as I can tbh

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Can you not use a font colour that makes my eyes bleed?

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Actually im not gonna need you for IC stuff so use whstever u want :^)

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Moar posts pls

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Hey rb I vote from phone all the time you lazy bum

i really am very lazy

im back on pc but still cbf voting

WoT u GonNA DO aboUT it huH uHu hU hU h??!

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VOTE: the end

he said i said a thing that scum would say and thats a good enough reason to vote some1 rn

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Hey rb I vote from phone all the time you lazy bum

also just gonna stress that im not sure why youd bother doing such a thing when it's so cumbersome and life is full of so many wonderful things to experience and see and instead ur just sitting there fucking around with vote tags in a roleplaying game.

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for those of you who havent played with me, i used to take mafia really serious and i was good

now i dont take it serious and im even gooder

i alternate between shitposting and being useless and making thoughtful posts with actually coherent syntax.

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anyway im going to bed

The_end is the scummiest player in the game so far

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ssbm_kyouko is the towniest*

it also doesnt matter that these are the only 2 slots doing anything and by default one is going to be the scummiest and the other the towniest, you're very impressed by my ability to sort the game so fast. i can tell

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goodnight every1

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Wagons are the best. I always wagon

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Random wagoning stage is even cooler than RVS!!

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Nothing to say, random voting, don't want to get on the_end's wagon.

VOTE: rb

This seems oddly not-random

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#43 moved my vote because I didn't like the direction Zekro's vote was leading to/didn't want to be part of a wagon on someone I wasn't 100% sure is scum. Generally standing by that decision bc I wanted to see if rb would continue with conversational/humour posts in lieu of scumhunting ones and the direction of #46 looks promising

Friend I'm wondering about you, what's your opinion on how things are going so far? I'm wondering because the only posts I've seen from you are ones that aren't giving any tells but a random vote/chipping in by giving neutral info

u dont understand me if you think im ever going to stop humour/conversation posting

in fact im incredibly anti-authoritarian for literally no reason at all and the fact that you want me to do that has encouraged me to do it more

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not to mention that #46 is one of the shittiest posts in the entire thread. i actually made it ironically and was mocking players who make such vague statements

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People dying just increases the fun and games

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Random voting is good. Random lynching actually helps the mafia, since it's a 2/9 chance we hit a mafia.

it's actually 2/8

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VOTE: RB

Not even a full 3 pages in and we already have a player at L2. I don't like the way RB has been pushing for wagons. If he wants a random wagon, I am happy with this one. We shouldn't lynch without a cause.

wagons are the best though!!!

choo choo!!!!!

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rb is a little scummy. You shouldn't shitpost in a mafia game.

He also seems to think that is a good idea to kill people for no other reason than to have fun.

i shitpost in every mafia game

i think its a good idea to lynch people we think are scum

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do u guys not think the_end is scum?

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He isn't even trying to put out content and his only vote is just a joke per his own statements.

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Sofiel ia alright in my books.

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I dunno, I don't see what you see.

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FOS: ssbm

I suspect you read that the mafia have no daytalk in your own role pm. Did you read my post?

Seriously? There are CLEARLY SAMPLE PMS ON THE FIRST PAGE.

but he CLEARLY READ IT FROM HIS OWN PM

Also finish catch up and comment on my ThinkBig exchange

RVS is over you can make proper arguments now

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Lol the_end has like 6 scumreads and 2 nullreads.

Still scum

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I have a problem with post 97 - can anyone guess what it is?

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It's just so very, very calculated

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It's amazing how much emphasis is being put on one decision I made by the same couple of people. The emphasis just reads as opportunistic scum tbh & Zekro buddying with the_end on his post is a strange decision. the_end has been openly read as one of the scummier people and is at two votes lmao sooo????? if you were town why would you??
UNVOTE: Friend_Computer
VOTE: Zekromaster

Even though I've unvoted you, Friend I'm still watching you. I'm not seeing you as pro-town atm.

that's actually townpoints for Zekro because if he's scum it's unlikely he'd start buddying one of the more scumread players in the game

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like if you're town and you have a townread then you have a townread. you don't do stuff as town based on what other players are read as, you play based on how YOU read players. if you're town and someone is scumread by a lot of people but you townread them, it's kind of your duty to point that out as a town player - maybe people are missing what you're missing and the reason that player looks like scum to most people is because there's scum on the wagon or scum are the ones attacking them.

you're contradicting yourself saying that Zekro is being opportunistic but also saying he's buddying one of the more scummy players in the game - that's the opposite of opportunistic right now

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*hugs sofiel*

i know dat feel

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but i just want to point out as well, it could still be a scum move by Zekro to look town - scum do 'townlike' things all the time because they want to look town. I think you need to assess what Zekro's motivation is. if the_end is town, it's potentially a good move by scum Zekro - he looks good for getting an accurate townread and not being on the mislynch wagon.

so if you think that Zekro's read on the_end is really inauthentic - you should keep your vote there. i didn't mean for you to unvote, i just didn't really agree with your reasoning for him being scum. but often newer players can't really explain their reads, but they 'feel' bad about a certain action. Zekro's actions made you feel weird, so i think you should keep your vote and not be discouraged by me shooting down your reasoning. there's a lot of ways Zekro could be scum making that play.

this is going into wifom territory and getting real circular, but if you feel Zekro is scummy just vote - that's also how town should play

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and yeah i realise i contradicted myself a bit, but that's the nature of mafia. anything town can do, scum can do - it's about WHY the player is doing it.

why do you think Zekro is buddying the_end?

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im gonna cooperate with christmas pikachu

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wow ur readslist even has a matrix

i dont like that >:|

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I kinda want Sofiel to take some stronger stances though

I saw her initial push as town but the unvote so sudden wasn't really town and I don't like that she didn't reaffirm her stance when I encouraged her to. It's like she just sort of gave up and it feels scummy to me, like scum trying to push and being shut down and then returning to lurking.

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im gonna cooperate with christmas pikachu

you too, christmas skull man

wow ur readslist even has a matrix

i dont like that >:|

I mean reloaded and revolutions were garbage, but I think the original still holds up

u r gud at joekz pls b mi friend

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I can lynch zeke, i don't really have a read on him either way though so I prefer voting someone I think is scum.

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Someone explain to me why Kyouko is scum again?

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With holiday stuff I got my first prod in my entire history playing mafia.

I reckon ssbm_kyouko is a bad lynch today.

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I really think kyouko is a terrible leading wagon. can we not? ty

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Oh hey, my wagon is in the lead!

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Who are your top3 scumreads ssbmkyoukofriend

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too easy to be scum isn't a reason to not scumread people in my experience

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my god i fucking hate the holidays and also im so bad at keeping activity up beyond start of game

someone defibrillate me pls

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my second readslist:

TOWN
- aeronaut: liking his posts. he is seeing this game from a town point of view, and is trying to look for scum. liked his exchange with Kyouko, and he seems to be effectively reading the thread and trying to look for scum, instead of just asking questions without any followup.
- end: I'm at the point where i'm thinking end's wagon was clearly a mislynch bait. he is clear-headed, analyse things and seems to think for himself, without sheeping other player thoughts.
- rb: after the strong start, he seemed to stopped scumhunting, and I don't know why his vote is still on end. he could be more present. I feel like his posts are asking why kyouko is the leading wagon, and trying to lynch end.
- sofiel: mostly by POE. sofiel stepped up. his posts seem to be looking for scum. but his #220 concerns me. especially where the part where he says: "hey, if Friend doesn't work tonight, let's look at Zekrom tomorrow" this is lining up lynches, and feels like scum that knows friend will flip town.
- think: his vote on end concerns me, and the unvote exactly when things started to change makes me feel uneasy. he is going with the flow.
- friend: his wagon makes me think he is townier. it feels like he made a bad vote, and now scum are trying to use the vote to make a counterwagon to zekrom.
- kyouko: still think he's scummy, but he's not getting lynched tonight. his posts feel like a mixed bag, and he seems to change wagons everytime the wagon he is is gaining force. that's a strange mindset for a town player.
- zekrom: everything makes sense if he's scum. he's coasting, trying to look town, parroting other people opinions...and it's crazy how much unspoken resistance there is to his wagon.

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@zekrom, what is your view on the friend vote right now?
@friend, any reasons for your vote at end beside the readlist?
@end, can I interest you with a Zekro lynch?
@aero, what's your read on Kyouko?

can you show me where zekrom is coasting and parroting?

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No because scum don't usually make big townblocks because then they have to explain why they're suddenly townreading someone

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Suddenly voting someone they townread*** i mean

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Making a big townblock is like the one thing I've never seen scum do, even for towncred because the disadvantages of trying to break the townblock down to get mislynches as scum just so far outweighs any townreads you might get and also, the people you townread are often suspicious anyway.

Scum might try it but they'll still die because of it because their contradictory nature of voting townreads and trying to backtrack constantly is just impossible for even good scum players to cover up

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i don't think he knows it looks not towny

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bulletproof/doctor/jk?

i think it's a protective and that they protected mememememememe because if the_end is scum they want me dead but if the_end is town that's the perfect way to frame them, by killing town me and making it look like the_end wanted me dead

yes, we are in the agreements?

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either that or they shot at aeronaut because they were scared of him, but i have a hard time seeing aeronaut as a protection choice by a doc/jk

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30 minutes left guys.

If Friend flips Town, this is scum.

not really, no-lynch is godawful and i've done the same thing

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why would ssbm role bait so openly though if he already thinks that he's found a PR?

can someone explain the scum motivation behind that?

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ThinkBig is town. Ssbm is town.

Aeronaut is kinda town and I can work with him for the day. I don't think it's anything but paranoia that makes me think he's scum because I don't see many scummy things tbh.

Townblock: TB, ssbm, Aeronaut, rb

we lynch from the other 4.

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okay so, looking at the wagon I see 4 players on Zeke and then there's me, rb, and Aeronaut.
I'm town, and my best TRs are rb and Aeronaut, but mostly rb. This means that if Zeke is scum, then either I'm wrong about 1 of Aeronaut or rb, or scum is bussing him right now. Lucca and TB I think are town after all, which just leaves the_end and Sofiel. Zeke is voting the_end which would be a double bus scenario which seems like a bad strategy.

If Zeke is scum it's with either Sofiel or Aeronaut imo

If Zeke is town, that means that unless the team is Aero/rb that at least one of Sofiel and the_end is scum either with the other or with one of Aero/rb. Pretty sure rb is town here as well

If Zeke is town, there are 2 scum in [Aeronaut, Sofiel, the_end]

I agree with this.

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no lynch is shit, cop/tracker should just claim results now

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or we can go to lylo and scum fakeclaim 4 ez win

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actually we can no lynch i guess, right now it's 4v2 which means that simply by voting for any player not themselves, town have a 40% chance of hitting scum (if you know you're town there's 5 other players, 2 are scum = 40%)

if we no lynch it's 3v2 which means that simply by voting anyone not themselves, town have a 50% chance of hitting scum

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the only caveat is that I think it's best if cop claims TODAY not tomorrow otherwise tomorrow is gonna be a fucking claimfest by scum

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altho realistically if cop claims and gets CC'd it's still a 50/50 scenario the same as naked voting so w/e

my issue is that there's 2 scum and if cop claims today we could probably just lynch scum today either by PoE (or guilty result) and then go into tomorrow 3v1 instead of guaranteed 3v2 with a no lynch

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i'd rather play to win than play to lynch 1 scum by no-lynching today

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because yer we have a 40% base chance of lynching scum now and it's a better chance tomorrow, but it means the next day is 2v1 lylo..

THEN AGAIn if we lynch scum today then tomorrow is still gonna be a no lynch to go from 3v1 to 2v1 because 2v1 means again a 50% chance of hitting scum just by not voting yourself as town

LEL okay i guess we can just no lynch it's the same shit end of the day, we lose tomorrow and still have to win in lylo regardless of what we do

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Sofiel, the_end, ssbm_Kyouko, RB

sofiel + the_end

i need to read on SSBM, no voting until I've done that

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the_end + ssbm are not a scumteam btw, if one of them flips red, don't lynch the other one

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actually we can no lynch i guess, right now it's 4v2 which means that simply by voting for any player not themselves, town have a 40% chance of hitting scum (if you know you're town there's 5 other players, 2 are scum = 40%)

if we no lynch it's 3v2 which means that simply by voting anyone not themselves, town have a 50% chance of hitting scum

But this doesn't make any sense bc we have lucca who now can't be protected.

the only caveat is that I think it's best if cop claims TODAY not tomorrow otherwise tomorrow is gonna be a fucking claimfest by scum

Couldn't it also be a tracker...?

Is ur next comment gonna be that i scumslipped because if so pls dont bother

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And yeah, if lucca is conftown (i wasnt reading that closely) it's even better odds for town.

By simply not voting lucca then today is essentially same as 3v2 lylo. Scum will just kill lucca. So let's use today with lucca conftown and work rogether to get a good lynch.

Didnt realiae lucca was conftown, so we aren't no lynching today

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What's the point of the order anyway?

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I'm pretty sure I could just tell you the scumteam rn but anyway we'll do the claims first and I tell you the secret after xDDDDD

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Did TB announce who he protected? I've had irl shit going on and didn't catch that part.

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I still don't know why lucca is conftown, someone tell me

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I'm also really not a fan of the tracker claiming right now because there's no scum dead yet and we have no hard clears as a result.

TruE?

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I still don't know why lucca is conftown, someone tell me

TB protected lucca

so i guess they targeted lucca?

okay then, i know who da scum is

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after claimz

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Nope I'm VT not a PR. Aero should have claimed PR, but he's scum I'm sure of it based on that Lucca NK target.

At work but will expand more.

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Lucca will claim VT

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Ssbm is town, lucca is town, I'm town.

Aero/sofiel/the_end - last 2 scum are in there

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Also I'm kinda annoyed I had so much irl shit during day2, that Zekro lynch sucked dick. Sigh.

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lucca is dying tonight regardless so he needs to claim now

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rb as scum makes sense tbh.
looking at his iso it really doesn't show an active townplayer & i'd ask other people in this thread who know they're town to check it out and tell us what they think.

the partner is aero/t_e. I'm comfortable with ssbm as town rn/lucca is conf so that's fine.

wish i could just screenshot my role pm to make this easier but i can't so i just really ask you guys look at rb/aero/t_e's iso and tell me that they don't look scummy/bad/anti-town/etc

VOTE: rb

whatc's an iso of an "active townplayer"

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Unless ssbm is scum which I think he isn't, the last scum are in aero/sof/the_end

Lucca if you're a PR you need to claim and claim with results.

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Yea, so despite RB's initial D1 stuff, I don't see much he's done in the way of solving the game. There were weak pushes on TE and a minimal amount of gameplay, but in the last game I played with him, he was this town-MVP player who solved the game almost immediately. This is the game I'm talking about.

I assumed he would eventually kick it into gear around D2 or today, but then I figured maybe he was a PR who was trying to lay low. If that's not the case, then I'm not seeing anything that makes him town.

Oh cool.

everyone must play every game the same or they aren't town

i guess you missed the times ive said how busy i am irl, or dealing with cases of workplace harassment involving police etc.

sry 4 having rl things 2 do, i forgot it's my job to win every towngame i play solo

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We lynch sofiel/aero/the_end

I think sofiel is best lynch.

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Sofiel makes sense in most scumteams. I wanna find likely teams at this point and eliminate who is or isn't scum based on that.

Ssbm if you're scum basically no partner makes sense to me, so I'm fine with you as town. Last 2 scum are in aero/sof/the_end I'm positive of it.

Who's your preferred lynch?

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VOTE: aeronaut

i want to lynch aeronaut

multiple reasons, like him being scum but also he's exactly the type of player who knows how powerful it is to stall out a game like this. he KNOWS if he's town his input is so fucking valuable rn, but he gives none of it.

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At the end of the day if you do vote for me only scum is going to be happy. They've played the game really well so far and when I say they're not going to be obvious they really aren't. But this is my first game so I'm not expecting great things.
I am Vanilla Townie/would ask people to consider how many of my actions are well-intentioned if not very good town lmao. But like just remember the last two lynches were newbie players who seemed obvscum but were actually town ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ rb might not have moved last night which is a pretty good sign/he could have just not been the one who committed the kill. I do feel like its a good chance he is just a smart mafia player tbh but idk at this point.

I can see a strong likelihood based on interaction that ssbm is probably town. the_end and aero are dancing around and have been able to pass by mostly unchecked so I'm thinking the strongest poss. scumteam members are rb/the_end/aero. (And I'll steal the scumteam interaction checklist from ssbm for a future game bc thats such a solid idea.) rb got some heat d1, and in fairness to him did say he had real life shit which is understandable, but has since not posted contentful posts afaic. t_e got a bit of focus but has since been able to slide out of the spotlight - and hasn't done anything to really draw himself back into it but has voted on all of the wagons that killed a town so far. aero started the zekro lynch/backed out of it later which was a smart move. could be he didn't want to put focus on himself but i feel like it's more of a town tell that he wanted to take more time to consider than just continue on with a direct second wagon.

anyway thats my thought process right now take it how you will not much more I can say.

i could say the_end/aero are a scumteam

the_end's last post literally doesn't mean anything, it's just talking for sake of talking. lynch the_end or aero at this point

if sofiel is scum, deserves to win for actually putting out content vs. town players not putting out content.

ur thoughts ssbm?

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The_end is scum regardless of whether it's aero or sofiel btw

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The_end have you even had a single fucking townread all game?

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Sofiel, unvote me. Vote aero or the_end

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Basic logic is that I'm town, read closely because the way this game has played out makes it almost impossible:
1. I wouldn't bother bussing my scumpartner all game nor would I bus them here. I'm not scum with the_end or aero
2. I wouldn't hard buddy my scumpartner when it's possible I'm a lynch. I'm not scum with Ssbm
3. Sofiel isn't going to make her only play be a big case on her scumbuddy on Day3 when scum have 2 alive and know the last PR and can just kill the PR - there's no chance of a guilty here and so no need to try get towncred. All the scum need to do is just get a lynch on anyone not scum. I'm not in a scumteam with Sofiel.
4. Lucca is conftown, it's the only person that makes sense as scum with me, but I can't possibly be

Unvote me, this is an awful lynch

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This is why I want to find our lynch based on who is or isn't a likely scumteam. With 2 scum left in 6 players and 1 conftown, we can very easily narrow this lynch down to something good.

ALSO I was basically a universal townread im this game on night 2 and if I was scum I would have been doing kill. Anyone who thinks I'm scum is dumb or just scum themselves

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@the_end literally if you're town I will end you (hheehehee). "no reasons ssbm is town"

He's the most obvious fucking town player in this entire game, doing more pro-town things than any other slot has all game. Meanwhile since day1 your reads have literally had every single slot range from null to scumlean.

Yeah good job you're such a good player, you've basically just said all game "maybe someone in this game is a scum!!" which is just the precedent of the game, that some ppl are town and some are scum.

Don't call me a shit player when you're not even playing the game twat

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Also I'm pretty sure team is aero/sof now

Vote aero.

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Hey guys I'm scum with either Sofiel or Aero - that makes sense when I'm trying to lynch Aero and Sofiel is trying to lynch me in MyLo.

#goodplayerthings

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I would.

Ssbm is just such a strong TR for me, I can't lynch there.

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it's the_end + aero.

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the_end basically just scumclaimed for them both lmao

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@the_end literally if you're town I will end you (hheehehee). "no reasons ssbm is town"

He's the most obvious fucking town player in this entire game, doing more pro-town things than any other slot has all game. Meanwhile since day1 your reads have literally had every single slot range from null to scumlean.

Yeah good job you're such a good player, you've basically just said all game "maybe someone in this game is a scum!!" which is just the precedent of the game, that some ppl are town and some are scum.

Don't call me a shit player when you're not even playing the game twat

You seen upset, rb. Why don't you take a break and walk away from the keyboard for a bit. Its not like you're helping us with your shit playing anyway lol.

^^ this is not how town talk.

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the_end's only motive right now: to secure a mislynch. There's absolutely zero motive to figure out the game or talk to people about stuff.

Also the_end clearly knows I'm town here because why would they call me shit and scum at the same time? If they think I'm scum, wouldn't they be saying that I'm being scummy when I apparently don't help to solve the game and do stuff? But no, they keep calling me bad instead - because he knows I'm town.

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end unvoted him.

Besides zekro, I very strongly feel ssbm is scum (see #307 for why). I'm willing to lynch either. I'm also willing to wait to hear what Aero thinks. If Aero doesn't hammer zekro in his post, I will.

He thinks ssbm is strongly scum here, but right now he thinks the team is Sofiel + rb?

How come?

If he thinks I'm so scummy, and he's been constantly asking me to explain my ssbm townread (I never explain townreads) then why is ssbm who was formerly his "strong scum"

By the way, I don't explain my townreads in any of the games I play and you can meta-dive me to confirm that if you want

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Aeronaut is a player who perfectly understands the importance of his contributing right now if town, but he's just not contributing. He's obvscum, so is the_end. Lynch both, win game. Ta.

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Sofiel who are your townreads this game?

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I townread RB on day 1, and didn't really think to revisit him again, and that was really silly of me. Looking back, he should have been all over this game and instead he's been doing the bare minimum, making weak assumptions, being uninvested, etc.

And then, he keeps going on about how I'm suddenly scum to him, because I should understand that content from me is extremely important to winning this, and though it is, he's here purposefully not explaining his reads and not explaining his positions on ssbb_Kyurou who

very well

could be possible scum candidate from his perspective.

you know what, when i mention that i'm busy IRL and that gets used as a scumtell against me - go fuck yourself.

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rofl get fucked

i'm low activity all through xmas + New Year and then I had a bunch of work shit to deal with. i was getting replaced/prodded site wide so fuck off you dumb shits

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lmfao aero + the_end scumteam so fucking obvious.

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I would.

Ssbm is just such a strong TR for me, I can't lynch there.

Alright, I'm pretty convinced of this now.

can you please never IC a game again?

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sofiel, vote aero pls

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I townread RB on day 1, and didn't really think to revisit him again, and that was really silly of me. Looking back, he should have been all over this game and instead he's been doing the bare minimum, making weak assumptions, being uninvested, etc.

And then, he keeps going on about how I'm suddenly scum to him, because I should understand that content from me is extremely important to winning this, and though it is, he's here purposefully not explaining his reads and not explaining his positions on ssbb_Kyurou who

very well

could be possible scum candidate from his perspective.

ROFL

are you even human?

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so you never get any good townreads aero?

you seemingly have an issue with me having A SINGLE FUCKING STRONG TOWNREAD as if that's so weird? holy shit, if you aren't scum you're actually so garbage and need to not IC

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anyway going to bed, don't care about this game but if either of the_end/aeronaut are town we're going to be talking post-game

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scumteam is aero + the_end, if it's not then i actually don't care about this game and you're both absolute fuckwits for trying to act like me being low activity for irl stuff that i already mentioned + the fact that i don't explain townreads in ANY game i play (for good reason) as if either of those things are a scumtell.

anyone who legitimately has me as a top2 scumread on the basis of either or both of those things has actual brain damage

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bye, prod dodging until this shit game is over either via lynching the scum or losing by lynching me

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Whether you're town or scum it's just low

Also I didn't harp on about it and I didn't even see you mention you have the flu.

ALSO your only 2 reasons for SR'ing me are basically proven false and you're still voting me. LUL

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Oh also you're full of shit. You said on the 13th you'd be home the next day and that was the time period I was talking about, mostly today - your flu was before the 13th so yeah, not what I was referring to.

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Um no, stop talking shit.

Literally no scumteam in this game makes sense except the_end + you

[rb]

bye, prod dodging until this shit game is over either via lynching the scum or losing by lynching me

gtfo and dont come back. You've done nothing but ruin a good game with your shit posts, cursing and shit play. Good riddance.

I know this is a game of catching liars and things get heated but you need to not say stuff like this.

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Also I wonder which alignment of player would consider a game good when the first 2 days were town lynches ))))

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On the incredibly amazingly rare chance that you flip town the_end, we're gonna have to talk.

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Ssbm I'm slowly coming around to the idea that the_end could actually be town despite their toxic as fuck attitude and despite the fact that they somehow have zero townreads and zero scumreads all game and just 'lean' on everything.

Ssbm is literally fucking impossible to be scum right now btw, or he'd just be pushing aero or my wagon because of how townread he is. The game would already be over if ssbm is scum, he's not scum.

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Like I want to judge if anyone else has cases that have merit to them that I've overlooked that point to Sofiel/the_end. Justify the Lucca N1 kill attempt, show me scumslips, anything. I don't think it's likely but I was thinking the_end would be the player to flip onto Aero, not Sofiel, because I was thinking the team is Sofiel/Aero

Aero I want you to explain what was pointing you towards the_end being scum before rb voted you and you flipped your TR on him into a SR

Tbh it's really the_end + aero.

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The thing is, scum have ZERO reason to bus right now. They need to play cohesive and ally themselves with one another to secure the mislynch. the_end pretty much just entirely ignored Aero today, and vice-versa. Like the entire game is interacting, except those two. It's so blatant they're the scumteam.

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Lucca, take a look at interactions between the_end + Aero. Look at what they DON'T do as much as they do. Tell me what you think.

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UNVOTE:

So lucca you think there's a good chance aero is town here?

[rb]

Don't think so

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You're thinking we should lynch Sofiel today?

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Honestly I've had them on townread for a while, if I'm wrong about aero or the_end though then idk.

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The strange thing about Sofiel and The_End is that during all the game, Sofiel had End as one of his scumreads, but he never voted End, had no problems being on the same wagon than End and they barely interacted. Strange for you to never interact with a scumread?

On D1 Sofiel thought all day that was either Friend or End. He never votes or applies pressure to End. Just make the scumread. His scumreads on both Zekrom and Friend revolve on them voting together on End. Sofiel was one of the biggest proponents of the Friend mislynch. On D2, though, Sofiel is very quickly to vote Zekro, who wasn't one of his scumreads and aside from one question, he doesn't make contact with End. On D3, Sofiel thinks it's RB with Aero or End. Then he votes RB. After that, he votes Aero.

On The_End stuff, at the start of D1, he parks his vote on Sofiel until he votes Friend at the end of D1. No pressure applied to Sofiel, nothing. He just votes Sofiel on the premise that RB and Sofiel are scum buddies. On D2, after parking his vote on Sofiel the entire D1, he say nothing about him, on a day that Sofiel had a chance of getting lynched. On D3, he seems to want to vote either RB or Aeronaut, leaving his options open. Then he suddenly thinks it's RB and Sofiel, and votes RB. But he don't pressure Sofiel and anything. Again, he just say that Sofiel is scum, and the rest of his interactions are trying to get RB lynched.

I think the only reason that End said that he would vote Sofiel is because he's trying to make Kyouko vote Aero again. Then he would quick lynch Aero. It's their strategy for today. They are trying to quick lynch either RB or Aeronaut. They're both pushing both, and whoever gets to three votes first is getting the fourth.

About the night kill, I think they tried to kill me because I accused Sofiel. Think, if I'm killed after making that posts, people would just say: It's WIFOM, somebody trying to incriminate Sofiel.

The reason I think that Sofiel is scum is because everybody wants to vote Sofiel today. He would have been the probable lynch. But nobody votes him. Also, that L-1 vote on Aero, unannounced is very very scummy and makes me think that Sofiel partner is outside the wagon waiting for hammer. The players outside Aero's wagon are me, Aero and End. I don't think Aero would vote himself, I'm not the partner. Leaves End. Very strange too that they're both scumreading himself but had no concern about staying together on all of the lynches so far, and were both on RB on the same time.

These are pretty good points and I reckon we should get them to crossvote like ssbm said.

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VOTE: the_end

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you can't get majority lynch in 2v2, so it's stalemate until night time and then NK makes it 1v2 so it's automatic scum win, therefore games end in scum win at 50/50

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I'm not lynching Sofiel

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If lynch does go through 584 is a scumtell tbh.

In response to [post568[/post]. My scumteam prediction is t_e/Aero. t_e because of his fake anger against rb to make himself look like frustrated town. Aero's backpeddling on the rb vote looks like he's covering his butt to me tbh.

If I get lynched, after I flip I ask you guys to look a lot more closely at the people trying to lead the lynch and also the people I've been pursuing lmao

^ this is a townpost

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im town, im pretty damn fucking sure ssbm is town and also even if he's scum it's not with Sofiel

sofiel isn't scum with the_end either, and it's unlikely they're scum with aero

sofiel isn't scum, not possible

[rb]

we're lynching the_end or aero, they're the last 2 scum.

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well, the only 2 scum i guess, ROFL

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Who's the fucking idiot town who quickvoted in LyLo?

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WOW ssbm I'm actually so fucking amazed you're the one that made that play.

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ssbm, your day 1 push on me was really

really

bad

Bad pushes are a part of the game, if you don't push people you can't sort them. Pushing aggressively on people is the #1 to sort slots. You have 1 vote, so you push 1 person until they towntell or someone else scumtells more.

I really didn't have the time irl to take over this game and force a lynch on The_end and I'm REALLY FUCKING ANNOYED that ssbm quickvoted in LyLo because I was going to literally scream and kick and shout until we lynched the_end and Aero.

Don't EVER do that as town, EVER. Literally the worst fucking thing.

[rb]

Whatever, I get no satisfaction out of picking scum D1 and picking the scumteam D2 and not even getting a chance to demonstrate how right I was in Lylo.

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It's comforting to know that the scumteam prediction was right lmao. It's a shame I ended up seeming scummy as town though ^^;

You weren't even scummy and it should have been really obvious when both the_end + aero went from wanting me lynched to wanting you lynched when I couldn't be lynched.

Or how Sofiel went from t_e's townreads to a convenient scumread when the push on me failed. And so on and so forth, I could write a wall of text on why you were actually fine as a player and I would have defended either you or ssbm to the death if not for quickvote.

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Good game guys. I played really bad at D3. I wanted End lynched, but was too non-comitted to it to work.

But it was nice playing with you guys.

You played fine, best player on D3

[rb]

I played poorly. Accuracy isn't worth a thing if you don't get the lynch.

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In any case Newbie games are for learning and I suppose you all learned regardless *sigh*

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UNVOTE:

So lucca you think there's a good chance aero is town here?

I think it's possible. If Sofiel is not scum, it's probable End with Aero.

Aero and Sofiel is impossible. (if Aero and Sofiel were scum, Sofiel wouldn't put Aero at L-1.)
RB and Aero is very improbable. (for all that happened)
Kyouko and Aero is impossible. (Kyouko would have hammered RB)
Aero and End is still possible.

Kyouko and Sofiel is impossible. (Kyouko would have hammered RB)
Kyouko and RB is impossible. (Kyouko would have hammered Aero)
Kyouko and Aero is impossible. (Kyouko would have hammered RB)
Kyouko and End is still possible.

Sofiel and Aero is impossible. (if Aero and Sofiel were scum, Sofiel wouldn't put Aero at L-1.)
Sofiel and Kyouko is impossible. (Kyouko would have hammered RB)
Sofiel and RB is improbable, but possible.
Sofiel and End is possible.

RB is only possible with Sofiel and End.

End is possible with everyone.

I say we lynch The_End today.

This post was outstanding, and I don't know why you ever stopped with that line of reasoning btw.

A thing I do is re-read my own posts every now and then in a game I'm playing, to keep track of what I was thinking throughout the game. It's much better.

Also, everything that scum say past like Day2 in a game this size is irrelevant as it all basically becomes wifom. The reason I told everyone to go back and find possible scumteams etc. is so that you go and read the earlier interactions with fresh eyes after a bunch of town flips, to determine what makes actual sense, not just 'this person said a scummy thing' in isolation. That's how you win games as town, you re-read, you deliberate together and you come to the decision that makes SENSE. This post came after I just wanted to prod dodge afaik, and literally reading this post and seeing how sensible someone in the game was still being re-motivated me to keep playing.

Don't forget why you wanted certain slots dead, and don't forget why you town-read certain slots either. People have a tendency to dispose of older information as if somehow someone gets less scummy because the things you saw that were scummy are a couple of days old (game days, not irl days) - when realistically, it's the early-mid portion of games where scum are easiest to find because:

1. there's more of them, you're more likely to spot collusion
2. they have to post more because there's more players and more activity, more chance of slipping up and if not, they're probably lurking it out
3. they've had less time to adapt to the town players, they don't know how the town plays yet, they have to find the cracks to hide in

Always review earlier game, always review your own thought processes. Think less along the lines of, "who is giving off scumtells" because "scumtells" are just things that you will see if you read people's posts. Instead look for how each slot compares to another, take note of the votes - who is voting who and WHY. What about that guy with their vote parked on the same person since RVS? Why? What's that for? What makes sense from a TOWN perspective, who is trying to lynch scum and who's trying to get a mislynch. Later game with more flips it's about discerning who makes sense with others.

Call me arrogant but I'm pretty sure that I'm one of the most accurate scumhunters on the site when town.

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Well as a rule I really think it's bad to scum-associate before either a scumflip or many townflips. I was confident calling t_e + aero scumteam after seeing a bunch of flips but that isn't really how you should play generally.

If you wanted ssbm dead you have to push him so that his slot can get sorted and you can move on or change your mind. Town should just always focus on their top scumreads for that reason, otherwise you just get confbiased.

Also you have to cooperate with your townreads. If you townread someone strongly and you have conflicting ideas about who is scum, reach a compromise.

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Of course that's only if you think that player is worth trusting, it can also just be better to convince them to vote your scumread.