Newbie 1901 (Game Over!)

[Flavor Leaf]

Flavor Leaf's IC Post

Hello, everybody!

Flavor Leaf

(or if you know me by my main account,

Boonskiies

), been here since 2014, and I will be your

IC

for this game.

IC

stands for "

Inexperienced Challenged

". What this means is, as the

IC

, along with playing the game, I have the additional job of answering any questions that you may have about the game, basic mafia game theory and mechanics, or anything specific to the MafiaScum site itself, for those of you who are already familiar with the game of Mafia.

This being said, you should not allow your read on me to be influenced by anything I say as

IC

in response to questions or advice. Roles and alignments are randomly assigned; this means I have just as much a chance of being scum as any of you guys, and I will be playing towards my wincon, whether it be scum or town.

I will never use my position as

IC

to decieve you, and I will try my best to dissociate when I'm speaking as an

IC

, and when I'm speaking as a player.

Alongside myself as the

IC

, we have a few

SE

(

Semi-Experienced

) players. An

SE

is not a teaching role, but more of a showcase role. The goal of all established players is to set a good example in Newbie games to help properly integrate newer players.

A Quick Few Tidbits:

• Don't be afraid to ask questions. I'll happily answer to the best of my ability.
• Be active! A lively game is better than a ghost town of a game. Post as much as you can and interact with your fellow players.
• Occasionally, mafia can be a bit heated, and you may feel a bit attacked sometimes. It's a natural part of the game, but try and confine your comments to a person's play rather than the person themself. Being scum read can seem like an insult, but everyone eventually rolls scum. It's nothing to be ashamed of! Don't look at it as a "Good vs Bad" scenario. Try working with the other players to help them see things from your perspective rather than stating they are wrong.
• Don't let a mistake or a mislynch bring you down. It happens a lot. Don't be afraid to really push for your reads, and don't feel bad if it turns out you were wrong. Even the most advanced players aren't always right! It's the nature of the game.


Here are some key concepts that will help you better understand the site meta:

Spoiler:

Random Voting Stage (RVS)

Games here on MafiaScum almost always begin with what's called the Random Voting Stage (RVS). Beginning of the game, players have extremely low information (besides the mafia team who already know everyone's alignments). At this time, players generally will vote for non-serious reasons to provoke reactions from other players. Eventually the discussion will progress, and the game will get moving out of the RVS Stage.

Voting, L-1, and Hammers

Typically, L-x is how we convey how close to a lynch a player is, with x being the amount of votes needed to successfully lynch a player. You should generally always announce that you are putting someone at L-1, 1 vote away from a lynch, so that someone can't come in and accidentally vote and lynch a player before the playerbase is ready to move on to the next day. This also prevents any Mafia-aligned players from ending the day on their terms by placing the final vote to lynch ("hammer") and then brushing it away like they didn't know it was L-1. Generally, you will also see people post L-2 or L-3 (2 and 3 votes away from lynch).

Before you hammer the player, it is customary that you give an "Intent to hammer" post, so that the player can then claim their role. It is usually best to allow
other players time to react and respond to the claim before hammering.

Claiming Your Role

Unless you are at L-1 and have been asked to claim because of an intent to hammer, it is almost never a good idea to claim your role. If you are a Town Power Role (PR), you are then likely to be killed by Mafia in the night, or Night Killed (NK'ed). If you are a Vanilla Townie (VT), you may think that claiming might not matter too much, but by doing so, you will be narrowing down the field of who a potential PR might be.

There are exceptions to this rule. For instance, if a Mafia-aligned player has just claimed your role, or your role directly counters the Mafia player's, claiming early to counterclaim (CC) would directly out the Mafia player as Mafia, and the town would benefit.

LyLo

LyLo is the abbreviation of “lynch or lose.” LyLo in the Newbie Queue is when there are 3 remaining players, 2 of which are town and 1 is mafia;
or when there are 5 remaining players, 3 of which are town and 2 are mafia. In these situations the town aligned players should not carelessly vote like is done during RVS or early days, as the mafia player(s) can instantly provide the necessary votes to lynch (“quickhammer”) and win the game without the town being able to fight back. MyLo, however, stands for "Mislynch and Lose", meaning the game will end on a mislynch, but not if you choose to "No Lynch". This generally can be helpful when there are an even amount of players left in the game, and you want to narrow down the pool with some night actions.

Thanks for joining this game. I hope we all have a great time.


Here are some links you may want to look at before playing.

Spoiler:

A Guide to Being Awesome At Mafia
Commonly Used Abbreviations
Glossary

[Flavor Leaf]

VOTE: Vorkuta

[Flavor Leaf]

VOTE: 2ndStoryWindow
Cos I prefer a 3rdStoryWindow

I mean, when you’re right, you’re right.

VOTE: 2ndStoryWindow

None of this near ground level view.

[Flavor Leaf]

I’m excited to see how Alonzo reacts to Emperor’s entrance. He seems to have been eagerly anticipating it.

[Flavor Leaf]

VOTE: Vorkuta

Why?

I hadn’t RVS’d yet.

[Flavor Leaf]

VOTE: Vorkuta

Why?

I hadn’t RVS’d yet.

This post smelled of " oh I'll just RVS for the sake of it" rather than to get reactions out of someone.

Why is that bad? That’s generally what i do everygame.

RVS for the sake of RVS’ing, especially in newbie games. Go meta check it.

[Flavor Leaf]

muh and flavor are among the people I want to lynch today already. VOTE: flavor

VOTE: Vorkuta

Why?

I hadn’t RVS’d yet.

This post smelled of " oh I'll just RVS for the sake of it" rather than to get reactions out of someone.

Because this reasoning is incredibly weak and a forced push.

I’ll straight up admit it was an RVS vote for RVS reasoning. As I do basically everygame

VOTE: Bulbazor

[Flavor Leaf]

What do you mean tried?

I did it successfully!

You’re trying way too hard right now, Bulby. It’s coming across as scummy. You scum?

[Flavor Leaf]

I voted your weak reasoning for voting me, not the act of voting me.

I can see town in your posts because it’s Page 2 and early, and town does typically try and force things at this point in the game, but we’ll see

[Flavor Leaf]

How is me trying to get a read scummy? It frustrates me when people push me for trying to escalate the game past RVS stage

Yet you’re pushing me for pushing you, which is me doing the same exact thing. It’s a reason I do RVS so blatantly.

[Flavor Leaf]

I was your scum buddy in one of your first scum games on site, If I remember correctly. Haven’t played with you in years.

[Flavor Leaf]

I like Flicker. Have a town read.

inb4 she abuses me, and pockets me to a scum victory.

[Flavor Leaf]

So here's where we're at....

Alonzo's fallen for flippyNips.

Bulbazor's fallen for Flavor, Flavor's going along with Bulba for now, but just because there's nothing better on TV.

And Flicker doesn't even know Flavor exists.

....

It's not a perfect metaphor, guys...

[Flavor Leaf]

L-2

[Flavor Leaf]

Did Vorkuta just try to pocket Flavour or what?

So it's both extremely annoying yet somehow makes me feel so flattered that I have a new meta of being insanely easy to pocket with comments like from Vorkuta.

But I asked myself literally the same thing reading his post in a..."Oh...I'm so honored that you're hardcore trying to pocket me right now, and you know what, it's working!!"

[Flavor Leaf]

UNVOTE: Bulbazor

Because he said basically "Well SOMEONE has to unvote me because I'm town! Come on, please..."

Not gonna lie, I really felt the genuine ness of it. Is that a solid reason to town read someone? I'm going to say yes. Haha.

[Flavor Leaf]

You should like it, Bulba. We're both town.

[Flavor Leaf]

@2ndStoryWindow
@Emperor flippyNips
@Guten tag

How much experience do you have playing mafia?

First time

What are your thoughts on Alonzo's excitement over you? If he's scum, would you let him get away with it...because I would. Flattery'll get you everywhere.

[Flavor Leaf]

Pocket means when scum tries to get on a townie's side basically, so that the townie town reads the scum and helps them not get lynched and push other lynches. Generally this comes with scum doing things to try and get certain people specifically to be on their side.

I like to think of it like the townie who is getting pocketed is a super dumb, but extremely cute little creature who the evil villain is holding inside his pocket. This is similar to buddying, and that's when scum tries to get chummy with a townie.

[Flavor Leaf]

pocket someone?

To put a townie into the scum's pocket.

I'm being accused of trying to psychologically manipulate FL into liking me so much that he'd stand behind me and all of my """scummy actions""" because in FL's mind, there's no way such a nice person who says nice things to him could be scum.

This exactly, and Vorkuta's totally next levelling me right now. I'm hard pocketed. He's town.

Current reads list:

Vorkuta
Bulbazor
Flicker

2ndStory
muh
guten

Alonzo/Emperor

but they aren't scum together, and there's likely scum in my middle section moreso than anything.

[Flavor Leaf]

next levelling me

Truly only someone so wise and experienced could understand my true motivations and intentions

Now can @Alonzo say something not nipple related?

This quote by Vorkuta is the quote of the game for a multitude of reasons.

[Flavor Leaf]

@Alonzo - I tend to not get tunneled by newbies, town or scum. I like to think it's because I'm charming.

[Flavor Leaf]

I don’t like FL and Vork’s flattery. It feels as though they’re using it to buddy up. For now, my VOTE: Flavour Leaf lands here, primarily because it feels like he’s trying too hard to blend in.

Im trying hard to blend in? Damn. I was trying hard to stand out. Feels bad.

[Flavor Leaf]

points

of interest

There are 3 ways to approach this:
-the mysterious IC will use jedi-mind tricks to manipulate us and win the game as scum (chance of happening- 2/9)
-the wise and illustrious IC will use their infinite wisdom to bless us newbies with insight and town leadership (chance of happening- 7/9)
-the IC doesn't do their duty and lurks/disappears/gets banned (chance of happening- 0 because this is FL )

I just finished a game where VT flavour claimed to be in a masonry with a scum and town lost, so I mean.. He might get banned..

That was me trying to do that second option. Imagine if it worked out for us there! Haha.

I town gambit every now and then. Bound to fail sometimes.

[Flavor Leaf]

Why isn’t that townie? I’m trying to get town to accept me and let me lead. I’m town trying to win this game.

And I’ve stood out to you, Bulbazor, Alonzo, and Vorkuta in some fashion, so your point on me blending in because of that is flawed.

As town, I wanna lead. You’re pushing a reason, calling it scum, even when it’s NAI, or even more likely to make sense coming from a town side.

[Flavor Leaf]

You also brought up Vorkuta and I being the suspicious ones. I don’t think townies look at us and go “oh, look at how they’re acting, this is Scum vs Scum.” Even if you think it was SvS, it doesn’t come across that way. This looks like to me like you are trying to discredit me early so I don’t take lead and end up town reading actual town.

I had already pointed out I thought Bulba and Vorkuta were town, so this post by you makes me feel like I am correct with those two in that they are town.

[Flavor Leaf]

I’m actually excited to see what comes of this, because I have been hard expecting flippyNips to be scum. I know him in real life, I brought him to the site, told him about the things we can’t talk about in person if I’m near him, and I was soul reading him as scum earlier.

If 2ndWindow ends up being scum, I don’t think flippy is scum. I don’t see him making that RVS vote on a partner.

[Flavor Leaf]

Also, you said I was the safer vote, while I disagree. Sure, a green flip does in fact help you a lot, and that’s what will happen, but I’d rather be alive right now. A red flip by me would give VERY little info. I’m a master of confusion as scum when I’m going down.

[Flavor Leaf]

OMGUS Round Two:

VOTE: 2ndStory

Cuz I prefer 3rd story.

[Flavor Leaf]

Potential ScumFlicker or ScumMuh would benefit greatly from moving to my wagon. Let’s see what happens with them.

[Flavor Leaf]

Yes this is my first time playing this game online and I find the dynamic of it to be rather interesting for the moment it’s hard to read anyone as scum for me besides flavor who’s seems to be digging himself into a scummy hole, but my vote remains the same it still is a rvs anyways

As scum, I could just not talk, and get away with hiding behind people. The scummy hole I’m in is just me being confrontational.

Elicits the people’s true agenda’s when I go 1v1 with them.

[Flavor Leaf]

How is Vorkuta town? I have a hard time reading him since I have a hard time trying to gauge why he'd want to flatter you the way he did in a game.

He’s playing around too much with the “oh, i could be scum, Flavor, just doing this to pocket you...” but he’s doing it in almost a comical kind of way now, and that’s townie to me. If ScumVorkuta is doing that, that’s pretty next level, not gonna lie.

[Flavor Leaf]

How is Vorkuta town? I have a hard time reading him since I have a hard time trying to gauge why he'd want to flatter you the way he did in a game.

Also on this note, I’m getting a different side of Vorkuta since I’m the one he’s being said to be trying to pocket, so I understand the difficulty reading him from other people’s perspective.

I also understand why scum would want to push him here, though.

2nd Story looks to discredit me early, then finish either me or Vorkuta off today, and then the other one tomorrow.

[Flavor Leaf]

Hell no. You wouldn't get away with not talking. I'd have been the first one on you for that.

I meant as much as I am. I’m talking a lot, I feel, and I easily could get away with posting like three times a day rather than however much I’m posting.

[Flavor Leaf]

Not sure why you said this. You basically just ruined any chance of seeing our actual reactions.

I’m doing little next leveling of my own with it.

[Flavor Leaf]

Solid. Good to know you’re just pushing the idea and potential threat of me being scum more than anything else.

[Flavor Leaf]

Solid. Good to know you’re just pushing the idea and potential threat of me being scum more than anything else.

Why is me pushing bad? You’ve come across as one of the scummiest players so far.

Why do you assume that as scum I would come across as scummy?

Why isn’t it just my personality for you?

Because you’re wrong. I understand your case and logic. I’m just trying to see if I think you’re coming from a town or a scum mindset putting together a logical case on someone he thinks can be mislynchable.

[Flavor Leaf]

2sw hard pockets Alonzo...

How have I pocketed you?

I assume because you’re going after me, which is a pretty bold move as scum.

If you’re scum, hats off to ya.

[Flavor Leaf]

Solid. Good to know you’re just pushing the idea and potential threat of me being scum more than anything else.

Why is me pushing bad? You’ve come across as one of the scummiest players so far.

Why do you assume that as scum I would come across as scummy?

Why isn’t it just my personality for you?

Because you’re wrong. I understand your case and logic. I’m just trying to see if I think you’re coming from a town or a scum mindset putting together a logical case on someone he thinks can be mislynchable.

I never said I’d think you’d come across as scummy if you’re scum. I said I think you’re trying too hard to come across as town, which is scummy.

I don't like coming across as town when I'm scum. It gets me into trouble late game.

[Flavor Leaf]

Solid. Good to know you’re just pushing the idea and potential threat of me being scum more than anything else.

Why is me pushing bad? You’ve come across as one of the scummiest players so far.

Why do you assume that as scum I would come across as scummy?

Why isn’t it just my personality for you?

Because you’re wrong. I understand your case and logic. I’m just trying to see if I think you’re coming from a town or a scum mindset putting together a logical case on someone he thinks can be mislynchable.

I never said I’d think you’d come across as scummy if you’re scum. I said I think you’re trying too hard to come across as town, which is scummy.

I don't like coming across as town when I'm scum. It gets me into trouble late game.

How does it get you into trouble late game? It seems the opposite would be true

Late game if I'm town read heavily, have the people on my side, and haven't found scum yet, I'm probably scum. I generally get night killed in those situations or I end up finding at least one scum rather early.

This is why in 13p games, I generally have to go for a perfect scum victory, because that's where my strengths lie as a scum player the most. When I have a team to back me up while I lead.

[Flavor Leaf]

*lead the town to a mislynch ^ when I'm scum.

[Flavor Leaf]

Oh is it “town read”?

yep townread.

[Flavor Leaf]

UNVOTE: 2ndStory

[Flavor Leaf]

I kind of just play, and that’s generally the stuff that gets talked about my play from others.

I was confusing on that one part, you’re right.

Generally, I’ve had players state that if I haven’t solved the game by day 3/4 without good reason, I’m probably scum controlling the game.

I get night killed a lot even when I’m coming across as scummy, if that makes sense. I’m generally a hard lynch, and if players who know me are on the scum team, that’s why i’d be night killed.

I think i worded it better here

[Flavor Leaf]

*startled*
HOLD IT!
I'm good I'm good!

I DIED OMG THIS.

[Flavor Leaf]

Prequels better be good...

[Flavor Leaf]

Nah.

[Flavor Leaf]

@Flippy - if you’re a doctor, you can counterclaim Guten. If you aren’t a doctor, just say you aren’t counterclaiming him.

[Flavor Leaf]

Had a busy day. Has Guten tag given us the trilogy?

[Flavor Leaf]

I’ve actually just been busy, but that’s an interesting meta read. I do think that does typically happen when I’m town. I can’t analyze if I’m not involved so when i’m busy, I take a step back, but as mafia it’s easier for me to stay involved.

[Flavor Leaf]

VOTE: muh
changed muh mind

Hilarious.

[Flavor Leaf]

I’m technically on

VLA until Monday

I’ll still post, but my activity will be low.

[Flavor Leaf]

I Actually think that claim from Flippy comes from townFlippy moreso than scumFlippy.

[Flavor Leaf]

I’m not sure on my reads atm. I’m going to do a reread of the thread soon

[Flavor Leaf]

VOTE: Muh

I still like vorkuta for town, so I’m picking a side.

[Flavor Leaf]

Why was vorkuta nked. Wasn't he the other bw that I didn't want to join?

Simple. Vorkuta and I were linked and he was defending me, and when actual townies buddy up like that, it’s dangerous for scum.

However, Vorkuta death, as scum, from me is weak since I lost my biggest defender.

Vorkuta does over me because I’m more suspicious.

Someone who was scum reading me or lean scum, is scum this implies.

[Flavor Leaf]

I was your scum buddy in one of your first scum games on site, If I remember correctly. Haven’t played with you in years.

Can you please find this game and link it?

Oh dang...yeah, I’ll do some searching tonight. It was a long time ago on my other account when Bulb was newer.

[Flavor Leaf]

muh316: Bulbazoor, Flicker, residentcalleddean, Flavor Leaf, 2ndStoryWindow (5)

Flavour what was your reason for wanting Muh dead?

It was time for the day to end, and he wasn’t a town read.

I don’t have strong scum reads this game.

I’m town reading Bulba because he made some plays like the pulling off of me that was townie.

I’m town reading 2nd because he’s doing a try hard town mentality game solvey play.

I’m town reading Emperor because as scum, I don’t think he’d be as lost as he is or wagons getting pushed.

That’s where I’m st right now.

[Flavor Leaf]

Sorry, I’m still recovering from the catch up of my VLA. I’m in a lot of games.

[Flavor Leaf]

I might be lean scumming Flicker because he did the opposite of 2nd and looks like a try hard scum mode activated.

I feel Emperor was the easy way out with that reads list, and sat on the fence for most of the reads.

[Flavor Leaf]

The “gonna go with town for now” is why I said they all seem to be fence sitting. Flicker could be swayed either way, and chose to push the most inactive person. There’s the least amount of pushback involved, and Flicker seems to be trying to project townieness with the big reads list.

VOTE: Flicker

[Flavor Leaf]

I still think Flicker.

[Flavor Leaf]

Damn, I accidentally unsubscribed this thread.

I was wondering why it wasn’t seeming to me like anything was happening here.

Anyways, yeah, Flicker’s the scummiest for me.

Emperor’s flip on me is townie to me.

[Flavor Leaf]

2nd story, emperor, Bulba are all townie to me. I’ve explained them, but I’ll probably explain it multiple times.

Alonzo hasn’t pinged me as scum, so I’m seeing genuine town there. Could be fooled, but I’m not thinking so.

Leaves Flicker and Trekkie.

I feel Trekkie came in and chainsaw’d me (attacking a person who is attacking a partner), so I could see a Flicker/Trekkie team.

[Flavor Leaf]

I'll be making a decision tomorrow. The doc claim still feels genuine and I wonder why flavor has him in his srs?

I mixed that up. My bad.

I’m unsure what I think of the doc claim mixed in with Trekkie’s comments about N1 action.

I still think flicker.

I started town reading Emperor before he started to turn his read around on me.

[Flavor Leaf]

If Emperor and I were the scum team, there was absolutely zero reasoning for Vorkuta death, as that would have been a great asset to have.

Also, what reasoning would I have to defend Emperor. I'd gain much more as scum if I were to bus him in this position.

[Flavor Leaf]

I think Flicker's the correct play here, because if Trekkie is actually a doctor, he can get a potential save/scum are almost forced to kill there.

[Flavor Leaf]

And with a Flicker red flip, it proves that Emperor and I couldn't be scum together.

[Flavor Leaf]

I disagree with you on Emperor, I think that slot has scum equity off the back of the lynch on Muh, otherwise I cant really disagree with anything your saying.

My problem is that theres been alot of lurking, and you seem to be townreading players who TR you and Scumreading those who don't.

Could be nothing, could be something.

Well I didn’t vote D1, if I was scum I would of voted for whatever bandwagon would of got a lynch the fastest

Like, this is WIFOM, but it’s genuine as hell.

This is town.

[Flavor Leaf]

The fact that Flicker is arguing my side, and still nobody is jumping on him shows that Flicker is scum.

[Flavor Leaf]

He doesn’t flip scum here.

[Flavor Leaf]

Definitely leaning Flicker.

[Flavor Leaf]

Hmm, so does that mean 2nd Story is scum?

I’m pretty sure I’m near conf town, and I did a decent amount yesterday, tbh.

I was adamantly against that Emperor wagon.

If 2nd is town, that’s a game losing vote they placed, because that shouldn’t ever come from town here.

[Flavor Leaf]

VOTE: Flavor Leaf

Also, for me to be scum, I HAVE to be scum with either Trekkie or Flicker.

I am officially the most townie player in the game at this point.

[Flavor Leaf]

Also, 2nd story says “we aren’t turboing anybody” then votes in 5p LYLO.

[Flavor Leaf]

If we mislynch, the game is IMMEDIATELY over.

There isn’t another night phase.

Mafia’s win condition is when they control 50% of the population. That is met after a mislynch.

[Flavor Leaf]

I might be leaning Trekkie/2nd Story now.

[Flavor Leaf]

I might be leaning Trekkie/2nd Story now.

Which means Alonzo is probably scum.

[Flavor Leaf]

Unvote if you’re town, 2nd. That’s a rushed vote. It’s lylo. If you’re town, 2 scum can pounce and win the game.

If you’re scum, eh, stay on me. It’ll confirm you as scum anyways.

I’m probably voting for Trekkie today, and then tomorrow Alonzo/2nd Story will probably have to fight it out.

[Flavor Leaf]

Unvote, 2nd. If you’re town, that’s a game throwing vote, even if you think I’m lock scum.

You can say you plan on voting someone, just don’t atually vote in LYLO until it’s time to move on. You directly contradicted yourself with the not turbo lynch post to the one vote.

One wrong vote ends thegame in this situation.

[Flavor Leaf]

And the lack of Trekkie being here is extremely scary because Trekkie with Alonzo if they are the scum team can now win the game.

[Flavor Leaf]

I believe I’m the only player here that doesn’t make sense to be scum now because I’d have to be scum with Trekkie or Flicker. To be fair, this is the case for everyone that to be scum you gotta be wcunmwith Trekkie or Flicker, but unless you think we were all scum theatreing the past days, I like to think I’m in the clear.

[Flavor Leaf]

Trekkie/2nd - based on the hasty way 2nd voted, and Flicker’s comments happening after the tracker flip, makes me think 2nd was trying to bail out Trekkie, but didn’t understand we have to go within the two claims. This is the most likely scum pairing where I’m standing right now. If 2nd is town, then that’s a game throwing vote. I actually believe that the “we arent turbo lynching” comment followed by the vote is a scum slip. In their mind, it won’t be a turbo lynch because it can’t be because 2nd would be scum meaning 2nd knows scum can’t end it.

Trekkie/Alonzo - If 2nd is town, then this is the scum team 90% of the time. They’ll likely end whenever Trekkie comes back.

Flicker/2nd - If Trekkie is town, then this is 100% the scum team. 2nd made a hasty vote and it took focus off of Flicker/Trekkie. Flicker could be coaching 2nd in the thread about why 2nd shouldn’t vote, however, Flicker probably would be saying stuff in Mafia thread rather than in game thread. However, I repeat, if Trekkie is town, this is 100% the scum team.

Flicker/Alonzo - If this is the scum team, they could have won by now. This pairing is effectively cleared.

Trekkie/Flicker - remember when is said the 90% chance of Trekkie/Alonzo if 2nd is scum? This is the other 10% chance. If we’re in Column C, then they both could have fake claimed, and this should be given some consideration. If this is the scum team, however, game will end whenever Trekkie comes back.

With this being said, Alonzo putting focus back onto the claims is townie, which is why i don’t necessarily think alonzo is part of the scum team. If he is, well, game’s done because we’d have to lynch his partner correctly today, Trekkie can just end the game as his partner.

I do feel the “we’re not turbo lynching today” is a strong reasoning for why trekkie/2nd is scum.

[Flavor Leaf]

VOTE: Flavor Leaf

Also, for me to be scum, I HAVE to be scum with either Trekkie or Flicker.

I am officially the most townie player in the game at this point.

No you’re not

Then who’s my partner? Trekkie or Flicker?

[Flavor Leaf]

How? If you’re town, you’re just game throwing, and hindsight, that’ll be seen. Nothing I can do about that. I’m not really feeling any pressure. I have the entirety of the game mapped out.

[Flavor Leaf]

Solid game plan.

You’re scum, and that is incredibly obvious to me, and I like that play from you.

Because right now, it doesn’t matter to you if I know you’re scum, because it’s not me that needs to be convinced.

That’s actually solid logic you got there, especially the part where you pander up to Alonzo to try and get him to vote with you.

[Flavor Leaf]

AND it gets your partner out of the 1v1 from claims situation.

I underestimated you. Solid scum play. Sure, I can see right through it, but solid nonetheless. You allowed me to see right through it, though, because you’re pushing me for the game winning mislynch.

[Flavor Leaf]

How? If you’re town, you’re just game throwing, and hindsight, that’ll be seen. Nothing I can do about that. I’m not really feeling any pressure. I have the entirety of the game mapped out.

You're the one who's been game throwing. You're an IC, so I expect you more than anyone, ESPECIALLY if you're town, to be active as much as possible. That happened Day 1, but where were you Day 2?

I was gone for a week and had 4+ games to get back up on, haha, and I came back end of day 2, and was adamantly against Emperor wagon.

We were town reading each other.

I don’t know why you keep pushing this false narrative that I just disappeared. I don’t think i’ve Even been prodded.

[Flavor Leaf]

Solid game plan.

You’re scum, and that is incredibly obvious to me, and I like that play from you.

Because right now, it doesn’t matter to you if I know you’re scum, because it’s not me that needs to be convinced.

That’s actually solid logic you got there, especially the part where you pander up to Alonzo to try and get him to vote with you.

I'm not asking him nor nodding him to vote with me. I've stated my read on him most of the game. I asked him to vote with me yesterday, but I've done nothing of the sort today.

You don’t have to ask someone to vote with you to pander towards them. You gotta make them “want to vote with you” and for them to “come to the conclusion on their own”.

You’re doing well. Keep it up. This is fun.

But you will feel the Third Degree Boon

[Flavor Leaf]

Flicker, look at my big pairing analysis.

If you’re town, Trekkie/2nd is clearly the scum team, and I’ll vote either.

[Flavor Leaf]

Oh, I did.

Idk why you chose to bring it up. I said “I don’t think I have been”.

You’re just looking to tear down and little thing. Longer you keep it going, scummier you look out of it.

[Flavor Leaf]

Without even reevaluating even though i’m the only one who was trying to not have Emperor lynched.

Alright, lol.

@Flicker - you want Trekkie or 2nd today?

[Flavor Leaf]

Oh, I did.

Idk why you chose to bring it up. I said “I don’t think I have been”.

You’re just looking to tear down and little thing. Longer you keep it going, scummier you look out of it.

No because you were so adamant Day 1 about leading town and you posted lots and extremely consistently, even while managing four games. I get that you had a V/LA, but your play Day 2 looks absolutely nothing like Day 1. You waited it out because you knew you could, no one's been following me on your wagon the whole game, so it's a good safe move from you to stay out of the spotlight and not try to force anything after coming back. Dude it's smart, good job, but now you're some superhero that's gonna swoop in and say I'm the scummy one? Nah bro

Eh, I lurk out more as town than scum anyways. I’m a try hard scum.

And no, I had a site wide lull for a bit. I was even VLA for 5 days, and then had a bunch to catch up on site wide.

So nice misrep.

[Flavor Leaf]

You don’t need to act the same throughout the game. In fact, it’s scummier to try so because they’re trying to be consistent. I just kind of don’t worry about that and just post whatever comes to my mind. If nothing is coming to my mind because I’m not mentally in the game, i don’t post.

[Flavor Leaf]

I didn’t miss Alonzo/2nd. It physically can’t be the team because of the claiming between you two.

[Flavor Leaf]

2nd’s just scum, Flicker. Let the vote stay, it’ll prove itself.

[Flavor Leaf]

muh316: Bulbazoor, Flicker, residentcalleddean, Flavor Leaf, 2ndStoryWindow (5)

Flavour what was your reason for wanting Muh dead?

It was time for the day to end, and he wasn’t a town read.

I don’t have strong scum reads this game.

I’m town reading Bulba because he made some plays like the pulling off of me that was townie.

I’m town reading 2nd because he’s doing a try hard town mentality game solvey play.

I’m town reading Emperor because as scum, I don’t think he’d be as lost as he is or wagons getting pushed.

That’s where I’m st right now.

I might be lean scumming Flicker because he did the opposite of 2nd and looks like a try hard scum mode activated.

I feel Emperor was the easy way out with that reads list, and sat on the fence for most of the reads.

Damn, I accidentally unsubscribed this thread.

I was wondering why it wasn’t seeming to me like anything was happening here.

Anyways, yeah, Flicker’s the scummiest for me.

Emperor’s flip on me is townie to me.

2nd story, emperor, Bulba are all townie to me. I’ve explained them, but I’ll probably explain it multiple times.

Alonzo hasn’t pinged me as scum, so I’m seeing genuine town there. Could be fooled, but I’m not thinking so.

Leaves Flicker and Trekkie.

I feel Trekkie came in and chainsaw’d me (attacking a person who is attacking a partner), so I could see a Flicker/Trekkie team.

I'll be making a decision tomorrow. The doc claim still feels genuine and I wonder why flavor has him in his srs?

I mixed that up. My bad.

I’m unsure what I think of the doc claim mixed in with Trekkie’s comments about N1 action.

I still think flicker.

I started town reading Emperor before he started to turn his read around on me.

If Emperor and I were the scum team, there was absolutely zero reasoning for Vorkuta death, as that would have been a great asset to have.

Also, what reasoning would I have to defend Emperor. I'd gain much more as scum if I were to bus him in this position.

And with a Flicker red flip, it proves that Emperor and I couldn't be scum together.

I disagree with you on Emperor, I think that slot has scum equity off the back of the lynch on Muh, otherwise I cant really disagree with anything your saying.

My problem is that theres been alot of lurking, and you seem to be townreading players who TR you and Scumreading those who don't.

Could be nothing, could be something.

Well I didn’t vote D1, if I was scum I would of voted for whatever bandwagon would of got a lynch the fastest

Like, this is WIFOM, but it’s genuine as hell.

This is town.

He doesn’t flip scum here.

Misrep some more, 2nd.

Also, this was all day 2, so i was here.

I was even pushing Flicker yesterday as red, and was able to see that I was probably wrong on that.

[Flavor Leaf]

Also, with this post here, I’m tied with you for the most posts in the game, so I don’t know what your plan is on misrepping me so hard.

[Flavor Leaf]

I now have the most posts in this game, how am I out of the spotlight?


I don’t think it’s possible for me to be out of the spotlight.

Even if I’m not posting I’m in the spotlight apparently, haha.

[Flavor Leaf]

@Flicker - his tunnel mindset is actually a pretty decent scum play. It makes him come off as tunneling town and kind of AtE’s us a bit.

If he is actually just tunneling town, well, yeah, he should listen to both of us, but if it smells like scum, acts like scum, it’s probably just scum.

It also benefits scum to attempt to end the game today, which means going for Alonzo or Myself was the right play to avoid the claiming issue, as Trekkie was likely to lose that.

It’s pretty solid scum play, but scum play nonetheless.

[Flavor Leaf]

I don’t like FL and Vork’s flattery. It feels as though they’re using it to buddy up. For now, my VOTE: Flavour Leaf lands here, primarily because it feels like he’s trying too hard to blend in.

This also explains why Vorkuta died Night 1. It bothered 2nd from the beginning, and 2nd decided they were going to hide behind pushing me early on.

[Flavor Leaf]

Ok then please indulge me- why bad? Has he done stuff to deserve insane townie points in your eyes?

Yes, actually. muh's my best townread. Sure, I'll disagree with his doubt in regards to the doc claim - I for one hopped on the believer's train because he's a noob. But other than that, he's done nothing scummy in my eyes so far.

(If you want my honest opinion, I want Guten replaced because we've asked him repeatedly to give his reads and he decides to pop in and make extremely short posts instead. Regardless, I'd rather not go for him today, for two reasons: I've already expressed my belief in his claim; and, I'd rather let him lurk long enough to get replaced so I actually have a chance to read the slot. When he doesn't post, paired with being new, I see no reason to jump to any reads whatsoever. It's extremely annoying, but yeah.)

Wanted his partner replaced because he wasn’t doing anything. Also claimed doctor, so that’s something.

[Flavor Leaf]

Also, as a preliminary reads list for D2: I think scum lie in the realm of {Bulba, Flicker, Emperor, Alonzo}, and

I’m giving Flavor a solid townread for now.

While I did say above the doc claim could be fake, there’s also me that thinks the slot just isn’t scum. However, even as ‘useless’ as the slot may be, I see no reason (other than the slot being scum) why Guten/resident wasn’t NKed. It would have been a pretty obvious NK, yeah, but it’s an extremely safe one. We get little to no information out of a GT/resident lynch because of the lack of activity, unlike Vorkuta...

While this may be a bit of a reach, I would also like to point out that IF GT/resident happens to be scum, it is entirely possible their partner had to decide for themselves who to kill N1, IF resident hadn’t checked in yet. Pure speculation, but keep that in mind.

Says I’ve been a scum read the entire game, hmm?

Only when it’s beneficial to him is when I’m a scum read.

[Flavor Leaf]

Flavour still isn't posting much....

Just like last game- townFL establishes town cred early on then backs off and kind of lurks for the remainder of D1 before the deadline

With Vorkuta being town and having played with FL recently, I have to trust things like this. That’s basically why he’s a townread for me

Oh, look. Apparently it’s a trend that this is how I play as town, which you commented and agreed with, which is funny you decide to switch and “forget” these things.

[Flavor Leaf]

Pedit @ Flavor: If 2nd's scum, why not just bus Trekkie? Seems like the easier scum play IMO.

Pedit2 @ 2nd:

Prepare to be pissed. I already am

What are you mad about?

I’m not so sure that 2nd wouldn’t cave and bus Trekkie.

He said he wouldn’t lynch anyone besides like three people Day 1 and hammered Muh, a townread of his.

Trekkie flipping red puts 2nd into 3p lylo situation, which in my opinion, doesn’t favor 2nd ever.

This way, 2nd can go after me, potentially win with the help of Trekkie, and worst case scenario, 2nd gets lynched, and it leaves Flicker vs Trekkie for the final 1v1 in 3p lylo which is better odds for scum, tbh.

It also gives them gambit potential with the PR’s

[Flavor Leaf]

Flavour still isn't posting much....

Just like last game- townFL establishes town cred early on then backs off and kind of lurks for the remainder of D1 before the deadline

With Vorkuta being town and having played with FL recently, I have to trust things like this. That’s basically why he’s a townread for me

Oh, look. Apparently it’s a trend that this is how I play as town, which you commented and agreed with, which is funny you decide to switch and “forget” these things.

I didn't forget. Vorkuta was wrong about muh, so he can be wrong about you. Also, you can easily fake him out Day 1 and kill him so you're confirmed town the rest of the game and don't have to do much until it conveniences you to pop in.

This is WIFOM.
That’s not a strong scum play. Already had stated. If you wanna check out my scum games, I kill off threats, not people who would help keep me alive.

[Flavor Leaf]

If we lynch Trekkie, he flips red,

Flicker, you can jail me.

If someone dies, I’m conf town.

If nobody dies, there could be a no kill gambit to frame me, BUT we all 4 make it to Lylo, and I kind of like that.

This play basically just makes it so there’s no way that I would be able to make a kill if scum.

2nd would have to either kill Flicker or Alonzo, which would confirm me as town anyways.

To stop the confirmation from happening, 2nd has to no kill.

[Flavor Leaf]

I feel like scum!2nd had pretty decent odds in 3p LYLO before his posting today, though. Going after this gambit instead seems... well, suicidal.

Not if he thinks he had a good case on me.

He didn’t expect me to come back like this, and even if I did, he had a plan. He was going to say i felt the pressure and changed from how I was playing.

Which was obviously going to happen. End game I always come out hard.

[Flavor Leaf]

I feel like scum!2nd had pretty decent odds in 3p LYLO before his posting today, though. Going after this gambit instead seems... well, suicidal.

It’s not suicidal if he expects to win it.

It’s already established he’s an extremely bold player.

[Flavor Leaf]

Pedit @ Flavor: If 2nd's scum, why not just bus Trekkie? Seems like the easier scum play IMO.

Pedit2 @ 2nd:

Prepare to be pissed. I already am

What are you mad about?

Mad that I'm always the one who gets pinned endgame. Wonder how many of those times I've been scum? Almost never. When I'm scum I die early

I mean, I’m gonna green, so if you’re green, you should try and see that.

As town, if you’re also town, what would you like me to do to help you see that I’m town?

[Flavor Leaf]

If we lynch Trekkie, he flips red,

Flicker, you can jail me.

If someone dies, I’m conf town.

If nobody dies, there could be a no kill gambit to frame me, BUT we all 4 make it to Lylo, and I kind of like that.

This play basically just makes it so there’s no way that I would be able to make a kill if scum.

2nd would have to either kill Flicker or Alonzo, which would confirm me as town anyways.

To stop the confirmation from happening, 2nd has to no kill.

I'm mulling over this plan. Right now I'm leaning towards jailing 2nd, though, but I can see the merits in this.

I'll definitely announce who I'm going to jail when I vote, though.

This effectively does the same thing, tbh, except I know that it ends with a 4p day tomorrow.

I just like the potential to get conf town’d.

[Flavor Leaf]

And you didn’t get pinned. You aren’t even being voted.

You came after me, and flat out were asked to Unvote and was said the lynch would be within the claims.

You brought up your reason for going, but it’s the same thing as it would be tomorrow. That’s just lazy playing that you don’t want to figure out and actually game solve between the two claims right now. That’s why you’re being pushed as scum.

[Flavor Leaf]

And you didn’t get pinned. You aren’t even being voted.

You came after me, and flat out were asked to Unvote and was said the lynch would be within the claims.

You brought up your reason for going, but it’s the same thing as it would be tomorrow. That’s just lazy playing that you don’t want to figure out and actually game solve between the two claims right now. That’s why you’re being pushed as scum.

But why should I have to game solve the two claims now? There’s another scum out there, and I think it’s you.

Sure, and you can stick to that.

Now help figure out the claims, even if you don’t plan on going there.

There’s literally only 5 people left. And there’s a partner. Analyze that. You aren’t getting any more information really by waiting, and it does nothing to not try to figure it out.

[Flavor Leaf]

Mad that I'm always the one who gets pinned endgame. Wonder how many of those times I've been scum? Almost never. When I'm scum I die early

This sounds like you have more experience than you let on initially ("some experience, but it’s been awhile"). Have you played FM before? If so, where? Can you pin down exactly how long "awhile" ago was?

Yes. This site. 5-6 years ago.

Interesting.

What was your name? Unless you’re keeping that a secret. I’ve been around that long as well.

[Flavor Leaf]

I guess I’ve only been here four and a half years.

[Flavor Leaf]

Why shouldn’t I have? I’m town, and know that I would be the one getting framed

[Flavor Leaf]

Definitely leaning Flicker.

Don't see why. She has every reason to be suspicious of me considering I'm not dead after all this time. Of course unless she is a scum trying to reinforce a already existing suspicion that everyone probably has of me.

That was yesterday. I’m town reading Flicker hard right now.

Like, you’re more lock scum than 2nd to me at this point. At least with 2nd, I can see a potential scenario of him just being tunneling town.

[Flavor Leaf]

Super townie mindset from Alonzo right there showing that paranoid side of Flicker/Myself hard then saying they’d vote Trekkie.

[Flavor Leaf]

Good scum play if scum and bussing, but I feel if Alonzo/Trekkie was the scum team, Alonzo could just push me and win the game today rather than waiting it out pointlessly another day.

[Flavor Leaf]

I actually like the Alonzo targeting, and think that works better.

From that position, it basically can confirm Alonzo as town, which would put us directly in a 1v1. If Alonzo is scum, then Flicker lives, but Flicker living doesn’t guarantee Alonzo scum.

I say Alonzo.

[Flavor Leaf]

I’m going to be away for most of tomorrow.

I’m probably not voting anyone but Trekkie today.

[Flavor Leaf]

Sooner this game Ends the sooner I can join some new games.

Just vote already people.

No that’s a terrible reason

You all don't believe that I'm the doc, and you've all pretty much agreed on me as today's lynch. Can we get it over with please?

As town, this would lose the game, you realize this, right? As town, there’s no reason to not try to push who you think is scum. If scum, you could be pushing a defeated position to not give away who your partner is.

[Flavor Leaf]

I’m getting paranoid about Alonzo/Flicker, but they could have won already if scum.

Flicker/2nd...? Ugh. Nah, Flicker’s a town read and I’m sticking by it.

VOTE: Trekkie

If this ends it, good game, Flicker.

Hammer away

[Flavor Leaf]

To be honest, it’s just kind of circular logic at that point. I don’t think it’s every not a no kill.

[Flavor Leaf]

I’m actually leaning Alonzo.

[Flavor Leaf]

Alonzo makes just as much sense if not more sense to be scum over you.

Alonzo/Trekkie team made sense to be lurking. When you were voting me, I really felt like they were gonna come in and end the game, which they probably were.

[Flavor Leaf]

Flicker is conf town because of the role cop flip proving we are in the second column.

I’m going to want some more time to think over which of you two is scum, but I’m leaning Alonzo. 2nd flipping on me rather than pushing me was townie. Alonzo has been semi fence sitting all game.

Also, I had a read earlier that stated I thought that Emperor and Alonzo has 1 scum within them.

[Flavor Leaf]

Flavour still isn't posting much....

Just like last game- townFL establishes town cred early on then backs off and kind of lurks for the remainder of D1 before the deadline

Also, Alonzo is the one to bring this up earlier, and was even given a meta argument against that.

[Flavor Leaf]

Yeah, Idk. I feel I went over everything yesterday, and nothings really changed.

Alonzo could have won the game if Trekkie was his partner if Trekkie just came online, so that sucks

[Flavor Leaf]

What do you mean my TMI town read?

I haven’t decided yet. I was just leaning you.

The fact you think I was “TMI town reading” 2nd makes me feel like you were feeling the pressure from thinking I was towning 2nd completely.

[Flavor Leaf]

That in itself is a TMI analysis from your slot.

I was leaning your way, and away from 2nd, so from your scum spot, you basically have to force a 1v1 with me and win to win this game.

[Flavor Leaf]

Mixed in with yesterday, and the feeling of Alonzo/Trekkie waiting to hammer the game to a win is still there too.

As scum, there was zero reason for me to move off of Flicker yesterDay. He was in a 1v1 with Trekkie. That was LYLO. I was getting pushed by 2nd as well, I could have just went towards that direction too.

I even cleared you and Flicker from being the team. No point in me bringing that up if nobody else was going to if I was scum.

I was also the only one advocating for not lynching FlippyNips.

Vorkuta Night 1 kill also greatly weakened my position. No reason as scum to lose my biggest advocate.

There are a plethora of reasons this game that I am town.

[Flavor Leaf]

@Mod: Can you clarify rule #7 in Miscellaneous/Mechanics? Do you mean five day/night cycles, or five days and nights back to back (so 3 days, 2 nights or vice versa), or five days in a row or five nights in a row (even with a death in between)? Or something else?

It means five consecutive phases, where either a day or a night counts as a phase. e.g. If there were no kills for the rest of the game, everyone would lose after Night 5.

Okay, thanks.

@Flavor

- I also agree you've been pretty towny this game, but then you go and self-evaluate, and IDK why, it feels a tiny bit scummy. In fairness, I don't like self-meta that much, either from others or myself, and this feels similar to self-meta.

This isn’t analyzing, it’s me as town trying to help town understand why I am town because from my perspective, I feel everything I’ve done this game shows exactly why i’m Town, so people that could possibly try and make a scum case on me doesn’t work.

Any possible thing that people have on me is Flavor could be scum because of his tone.

That’s just my NAI tone that people are pushing as scummy because they literally have nothing else because everything I’ve done in this game

[Flavor Leaf]

Apparently they don’t since Alonzo pushing me in that way.

VOTE: Alonzo

I’m convinced, so I’m going to place my votes.

[Flavor Leaf]

Apparently they don’t since Alonzo pushing me in that way.

VOTE: Alonzo

I’m convinced, so I’m going to place my votes.

[Flavor Leaf]

Im still torn between Flavour and 2sw.

Lynching me today means Flickers chances overnight are only 50%

No, it can be 100%.

Flicker sees that I’m 100% town.

Honestly, me saying this is super incredibly scummy that it legit is to scummy to be scum.

And then me bringing that up is also too scummy to be scum.

I am town. Hear me roar. We literally can confirm this game.

If you can accept that I’m Town, Flicker, which should be easy by now. We lynch the scummier of the two, you jail the other.

Boom. That person’s confirmed scum, and we cant lose that way.

You just have to accept I’m town, Flicker, and we win.

[Flavor Leaf]

Like look at how too scummy to be scum I’m posting right now, AFTER all my self analysis stuff to try and get you to see I’m town.

[Flavor Leaf]

I doubt you became Radiant Cowbells hero without hoodwinking a few people here and there.

Nah, I tricked him. I’m the person who shuts RC down more than anyone, and he absolutely can’t read me, and he hard pushes me every single game, and I beat him in the 1v1 everytime, so i came on this account as a secret, and he didn’t know it was me, and we lined up well. It was quite funny.

I 1-up him a lot, and it bothers him. Which is why it’s funny.

[Flavor Leaf]

Well, if you’re town, and can see that i’m town, no matter what town’s gonna win.

Scum absolutely has to push me in this situation.

[Flavor Leaf]

If we mislynch you, and Flicker jails 2nd, we win.

But you have to 100% trust that i’m town here. To be fair, this can go either way.

Flicker just has to be correct.

That’s literally what we’re arguing to convince.

See that i’m 100% town, Flicker.

[Flavor Leaf]

VOTE: 2ndStory

It works either way, Flicker.

Just jail Alonzo if the game doesn’t end.

If I was scum, sure, I’d win there, but I’m not and there are plenty of reasons backing that up.

[Flavor Leaf]

VOTE: 2SW

You can kill Flicker tonight for the win, This games dragging on now...

It won’t happen.

Flicker just has to jail you tonight.


@Flicker - if you target me, Town will lose.

[Flavor Leaf]

@Flicker/2nd - Alonzo flat out just is scum.

If you agree to both Jail and Lynch Alonzo tonight/tomorrow,

You can go ahead and lynch me. Because Alonzo is scum.

It literally doesn’t matter who we lynch today, as long as Alonzo is hailed tonight.

I’d rather just lynch Alonzo.

[Flavor Leaf]

VOTE: Alonzo

Alonzo “back to just thinking it’s you” is a scum mindset changing who he wants politically lynched.

Please see that I’m town Flicker.

[Flavor Leaf]

^^call this out

Honestly, I’m just going all out, because I’ve proven I’m town by analysis and play.

I don’t have to worry about if I “come across as scum anymore” and it’s baiting out real scum to me

[Flavor Leaf]

Flavour is just out n out Down to lynch here... gotta call that bluff

I already stated that I was.

My lynch can even win the game for us. I don’t care if I’m lynched.


@Flicker - you MUST jail Alonzo if we don’t lynch Alonzo.

That CONFIRMS him as scum, no matter what.

[Flavor Leaf]

This is scumAlonzo realizing that even if I am lynched, he can auto lose. You can see the thought process clearly in his posts when he realized if Flicker jails him tonight it’s over.

[Flavor Leaf]

Flicker, if we lynch Flavor today, would you jail Alonzo tonight?

I still wanna do a meta read on Alonzo. It’s 4:30 am and I’m exhausted, so that will happen tomorrow. For now, I have an intent to vote Flavor.

I know I meta cleared him at the beginning of the day, but I can’t stand trying to read him. All the

events

of the game indicate him being town, but I feel like there’s always the chance he’s tricking us.

If we lynch Alonzo, he knows Flicker will jail me and he’ll win.

False.

I’m town.

So i would win because I’m town in that situation.

[Flavor Leaf]

My preference at this point is (still) to lynch Alonzo, and if that didn't end the game, hmm... I guess I'd lean toward jailing Flavor, but I need to think about it some more.

We can lynch 2nd Story today and you jail Alonzo if that continues.

Accomplished the same thing.

I’ve stopped worrying about if I come across as scummy. I’m town and have explained why I’m town the majority of this game.

[Flavor Leaf]

I’ve done so many anti scum things this game. And no, not “you could have just did that to get us to see you as town!!”

No. Not at all. I haven’t been seen as town all game despite all the reasons I’ve explained to why I am town.

One or two of the things, sure, but you don’t have a whole game’s worth of reasons why you are town and be scum, yet still be scum read. That’s just poor scum play

@Flicker - I’m not sure on either of them, tbh. So I’m trying to have you see that I am town. 100% town. We can lynch either one of them, and you jail the other if the game continues. We then immediately win.

Yes, that scenario, I would win as scum. HOWEVER, I am not scum.

[Flavor Leaf]

I understand the paranoia, but you aren’t wrong with your read on me.

[Flavor Leaf]

You decide the lynch anyways, Flicker. It’s whatever you want, basically.

[Flavor Leaf]

I understand the paranoia, but you aren’t wrong with your read on me.

*you hope

Why would I hope it?

If anything, if you’re town, it’s you hoping.

I know for a fact that that plan wins town the game.

[Flavor Leaf]

I know if I'm lynched the chance of a town loss increases. If I live and get jk'd it's game over.

Then that means 2ndStory is scum.

[Flavor Leaf]

I know if I'm lynched the chance of a town loss increases. If I live and get jk'd it's game over.

Then that means 2ndStory is scum.

You wouldn’t need to be jailed in that case.

Like, if one of the two of you are lynched, and then the other is jailed if game doesn’t end, then it’s 100% town victory.

[Flavor Leaf]

And hey Flavor, remember you said to go ahead and lynch you? Yeah self-vote please

Yeah, that’s when I thought for certain Alonzo was the scum, but you pushed me meaning that youre actually the scum.

I was baiting this out of you. It’s the only win path you had available to you as scum.

@Flicker/Alonzo - you see why that makes 2nd scum, right?

[Flavor Leaf]

If I were to get lynched, and then Alonzo jailed, 2nd wins as scum.

[Flavor Leaf]

And hey Flavor, remember you said to go ahead and lynch you? Yeah self-vote please

Yeah, that’s when I thought for certain Alonzo was the scum, but you pushed me meaning that youre actually the scum.

I was baiting this out of you. It’s the only win path you had available to you as scum.

@Flicker/Alonzo - you see why that makes 2nd scum, right?

Again, you’re free to push whoever you want because no matter what, as long as you’re not lynched todah, you win. Of course Alonzo and I have to play according to what we’d do as scum, otherwise, we lose anyway.

Try seeing it from my persective. I’m town. Would I rather lynch someone who I know will be jailed tonight, or someone who’s basically in the clear tonight? One of those 2 has to be scum btw. Obviously I have to push you, no matter my alignment.

I disagree. As town, you could just see Alonzo is scum.

You pushing me is just going to end up with your lynch first, which same outcome, town wins, so I guess if you’re town, that works too.

But if you’re town, lynching Alonzo would also win the game for you.

[Flavor Leaf]

False. Scumyou wants to push me relentlessly no matter what because it’s the highest and only chance you have at winning.

That was a nice twist of words you did, though. Very sneaky.

@Flicker - just trust that I’m town and we win.

[Flavor Leaf]

He's just messing with you, dont vote me.

Then you vote 2nd.

It doesn’t matter which of you gets lynched to me, as the other gets jailed and is confirmed scum tomorrow, if we’re wrong on the lynch today.

Either way it’s a town win.

Scum HAVE to push me today.

[Flavor Leaf]

Thing is I was townreading 2sw hard at the start, I'v never felt that way about you so far in this one, and It feels like you are going for the pocket JK/get a mislynch angle the hardest here.

Exactly. Why would I do that as scum? Im not trying to hide at all that I’m trying to get Flicker to accept me as town.

That’s literally how I guarantee my win as scum.

Alonzo, go check my scum games. I’m not scummy when i’m scum.

[Flavor Leaf]

I’ve literally listed every reason why I’m town. There is absolutely zero reason for me being scum that isn’t countered by, no I’m town doing that because that helps town victory.

2nd and you aren’t like that at all.

Honestly, I have no clue which of you two are scum at this point. I think you’re both incredibly scum, and think the mod lied and there’s 3 scum here now.

Thing is, it just doesn’t matter if I know which of you is scum or not.

Flicker seeing that i’m Town WINS this game 100% for town.

And it’s being desperately brought into this game so that doesn’t happen.

Actually leaning 2nd atm because Alonzo’s discussing, and I can see some gears turning, albeit maybe not in the right way, but nonetheless, gears are turning.

[Flavor Leaf]

Town

Flavor
2nd
Alonzo

Scum

That's my reads list. I'd prefer to lynch Alonzo, but I guess I'd lynch 2nd if an Alonzo lynch doesn't come together in time. I really don't see myself lynching Flavor today, especially because if Flavor flips town, I wouldn't have as much confidence jailing between 2nd and Alonzo.

If we lynch Alonzo --> Alonzo's town --> I jail 2nd
If we lynch 2nd ---> 2nd's town --> I jail Alonzo

If I'm wrong and it's Flavor, good game, you deserve the win.

This wins the game for town, Flicker.

I had no reason to flip flop my read on you completely yesterday.

Let’s lynch 2nd today. I think that ends the game.

[Flavor Leaf]

I’ll go 2nd. Flicker’s path wins the game for town regardless.

[Flavor Leaf]

VOTE: 2nd

Yeah, you’re in the worst spot, Flicker.

No matter what, don’t feel like it’s on you. This game is a group effort. You’re just the confirmed town.

You played well this game.

[Flavor Leaf]

I’m pretty sure that’s just the game.

Alonzo switching to 2nd makes me feel Alonzo’s town.

Scum in Alonzo’s position wouldn’t have caved like that.

[Flavor Leaf]

Yeah, I did it just for trolling’s sake.

VOTE: Alonzo

also, i accidentally typed vote Flavor at first. Imagine if Alonzo won from that haha

[Flavor Leaf]

I thought it would be all over when you caught me lurking redhanded on the Flavour lynch....

Really was a case of fine margins in this one.

Yeah, that was funny. I tried not to use that against you, but it was always lingering in the back of my mind after it was said.

[Flavor Leaf]

Great game, everyone. I had a lot of fun. I’ll post some thoughts I had on the game tomorrow night.

[Flavor Leaf]

For a moment there, I thought I was going to be lynched. I've only been mislynched once I believe in the past year and a half.