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VOTE: Ghostlin
For quoting Bon Jovi. (I love them.)-
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1. I have completed several games on this site (see my wiki) and have been nominated for Most Outstanding New Player. I also play extensively on another site and won Female MVP and Best Mafia Debator there.
2. I am a musician and future English educator and writer.
I have been busy since day start and I'm currently in car en route, so I'm here-ish, but my effort will probably be minimal for a couple of days (just as a heads up).-
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Zmuffin coming out worse in this exchange, but still not convinced.-
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Quilford, why unvote but not vote your top scumspect?
Unvote; Vote Quilford-
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See, Quilford, I'm just not buying it. You don't FoS someone and then say you thought you voted them. It just doesn't work that way.-
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Zmuff, are you dense? You have been arguing extensively with someone (guess who) and I think you look worse in the exchange.
Also your flip flopping on andrew became way obvious and then you went "haha reaction fishing," just as scum would to pass off a poor attempt at an attack on an easy lynch target.
After that, I will be happy to vote you, but your wagon is growing quickly so I'll stick with my Quilford suspicion for now.-
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Let me be very clear:
You have had a long exchange of posts with Ghostlin, who was questioning you about your motivations. The answers revealed a lot of internal conflictions and had an overall tone that I think is more likely to be scum than town.
However, a couple of people have gotten on the wagon in ways I didn't like- namely, Quilford. Your talk of me being "passive" in this matter is pure bullshit, as I have actually gone after Quilford quite aggressively given his content level and the gamestate.
I am less inclined to vote you after seeing someone scummy slide onto your wagon like that. Even if Quilford is scum, it doesn't mean you cannot be scum, but for the moment, I'm more content with a Quilford vote.
I haven't liked anything Quilford has done, and his reponse to C-Worl's obvjoke showed that he has a heightened sense of perceived threat, indicative of a scum mindset. My vote on him is absolutely not fluff.
Others on your wagon for shaky reasons:
Edmund: did give reasoning, not as bad as Quilford
Andrew: RVS vote that hasn't been removed, though his strange post last night seemed to indicate he has developed a true suspicion of you
I want to hear more from these two (and several others off the wagon), but the others on the wagon I think are there for good, solid reasons.-
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Speaking of Quilford, I'm still waiting on a better explanation of your "FoS" and how you supposedly forgot to place a vote in the same post you FoSed and unvoted C-Worl?-
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Such as whether not Andrew was scummy to you or whether he was a PL. It seemed to me like you couldn't quite make up your mind.
The flippancy of your answers is one thing that bothered me about your tone. You couldn't come up with a satisfactory answer as to why C-Worl and andrew were scumbuddies on page one after two posts from C-Worl and one from andrew, so instead you gave a snarky answer, something like "next time I will ask permission before giving scumreads.". This is a deflection; it is not an answer to the underlying question about how you arrived at that conclusion so quickly.
As for Quilford, we may just have to agree to disagree on this point as we obviously see it differently. I could have phrased that post better, but it was meant as pressure, telling Quilford I didn't buy his bs and he needs to try harder.
I did not express my dislike of his attack on C-Worl for two reasons. The main reason is that I wasn't around at the time when that exchange happened. The other reason is that I wanted to attack him myself and see how he reacted. I waited until he did something else scummy and voted him. His reaction has not been satisfactory thus far.
Do you know what disliking the growth of your wagon even means? It means I don't think a wagon without scum on it would grow so fast. I find you scummy but instead wanted to see who was on your wagon and why. Scummy attacks on you make me less confident of my scumread on you, so for now, I'll focus on the scummy attacks. I also don't want a quicklynch.
I've been thinking and the andrew/zmuffin conflict might have been staged pre-game as a distancing tactic. Not saying it was. It just occured to me as a possibility.-
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Funny you should mention that... That is a possibility I've put forward. I also think it could be just you as scvum who couldn't fecide which angle to attack andrew from.
Show me what made you think cworl and andrew are scum and scum together at that point in the game. That's the "simple answer" I'm looking for.
Yes; what I wanted to comment on was you at the moment and I was short on time. And yes, sometimes the best scumhunting strategy is "wait and see." One scummy comment isn't enough to convince me, but two scummy incidents is enoigh for me to take it seriously. I wanted to see how several scummy and/or lurky characters, including and especially Quilford, reacted when your wagon started gaining more support. Would they join in? With what reasoning? However, I wasn't sure of you myself and didn't want to give the wagon more vote momentum at that particular time.
When you talk about something or express suspicion of someone, it can affect their behavior. Sometimes the best strategy is to lay traps and wait. Sometimes, it's not.-
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Tragedy, why is it strange to NOT OMGUS? Am I reading you wrong?-
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I obviously misunderstood you.
"Quil, why would ZMuffin would be your top FoS, despite he didn't call you scum?"
In English, this sentence means, "Quilford, why would you suspect zmuffin even though he had a town read on you?"
I guess that's not what you meant.
It does bring me to something I overlooked: if there is scum on your wagon, zmuffin, who are they? Saying "this isn't an all-town wagon" is unspecific, unhelpful, and not scumhunting. It's attempting to throw aspersions onto your wagon without substance.
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Are you asking me that, Tragedy? If you're really asking that, you need to read my posts.-
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Apparently she didn't mean that. Or something.-
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Aw, come on, Grey. I was hoping we could form an awesome alliance if you were town but our reads are exact opposites so now I can never be sure enough for an alliance. ;(
. Seriously, though, why Ghostlin?-
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But I have a townread on Ghostlin. Enlighten me. Humor me.-
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Hmm, not according to zmuffin.
Tragedy is defending him.-
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Did I just see the phrse "overzealous town?" Lol-
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^C-Worl, did you just say the thread needs a penis? Teehee.
Now on to my reply to zmuffin:
I've ALREADY SAID. I am so tired of repeating myself to you. I think you guys could have set it up pre-game as a distancing tactic. Or, you could be acting independently and WIFOMing town on purpose. Or, you could be misguided town, though I'm doubting it more and more.
Also, either learn to read or stop misrepresenting me. This discussion grows tedious. I said SOMETIMES it is a good idea to wait things out and see where they go. And I never attacked anyone for anything that isn't scummy. Sometimes, this is not a good idea. It is SITUATIONAL.
I don't know how extensive your game experience is, since you played on another site, but I'm going to extend a guess that it's either not extensive or that site is VASTLY different in gameplay.
Metas are different. I, for example, lay traps much less on this site due to the (lack of) acceptability in meta.
Stop arguing with me about theory. It's not even remotely productive. I don't care if you disagree with how I play the game. It doesn't make either of us scummy, but you trying to add it to your non-existent case IS scummy.
You still have not explained what made Andrew and C-Worl stand out as scumbuddies on page 1. At this point, the only reasonable explanation of this is because you CAN'T because explaining it would show your scum motivation.-
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I think it might be bad that "hammer" did not even occur to me.-
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ONCE AGAIN, just because you disagree with me on a theory point does not make me scummy. I have caught many scum this way and I will catch many more scum this way, whether or not I have your newbie stamp of approval or not. Either way, even if I am delusional, it is irrelevant to my scumminess.
Answering RQS questions requires no thought. Commenting on the game does. When I had time, I did. I have been traveling for DAYS. This game started at a shitty time for me. There are others who contributed less than I have and continue to do so. Stop selectively applying supposed scumtells. You are OMGUSing sooo bad.
By the way, what you supposedly did with C-Worl and andrew is a trap. But they're passive and nonsense, right?
And once AGAIN, I find you scummy and a distraction to town at best.
However, I have not seen enough content from other players to end the day yet. I also want to pursue my suspicion of Quilford.-
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Seriously though, I actually WANT to hammer.
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zMuffinMan wrote:
By the way, what you supposedly did with C-Worl and andrew is a trap. But they're passive and nonsense, right?
I don't understand what you're asking here.
First of all, you haven't analyzed anyone's intentions that wasn't attacking you.
But seriously, how can you not get it? It was sarcasm.
You just sat there and called me scummy for laying traps and reaction fishing and in the SAME POST admitted to laying a trap and reaction fishing!-
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I explained the entire "trap" to you. Was it perhaps the most effective one? No. But I was busy and rushing. It happens.
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GreyICE wrote:So you like lynching town on page 5?
It's page 6. >.>
But I am truly not convinced on zmuffin. His more recent posts are reading as more emotionally genuine to me. I think he is just freaking out under pressure, maybe.
But zmuffin, stop saying I'm mudslinging. It's just silly. Can't you just scumhunt instead? You think your logic makes sense but it doesn't. Some of it does, but it's not as good as you think it is.
LURKERS POST, DAMNIT-
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Grey: Only ISO #2 looks bad to me on Ghostlin. He's putting in effort, at the very least.
zmuffin:
I'm tired of explaining the same things to you over and over again.
I think you may be trying to scumhunt me, but it's not very productive. Scumhunt me if you want, but do it better. No more theory arguing and baseless accusations. I am so bored with this line of discussion.
MORE SEXINESS IN THIS THREAD PLZ
Less repetitive arguments. kthx-
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zMuffinMan wrote:
@Amrun,
I think you may be trying to scumhunt me, but it's not very productive. Scumhunt me if you want, but do it better. No more theory arguing and baseless accusations. I am so bored with this line of discussion.
How is it not very productive to try to get a read on you? Even if you were town, it would still be productive for me to question your motives and form a proper read on you.
I'm not arguing theory. I'm not making baseless accusations.
Fact:You posted nothing of substance and called it trapping, but you have yet to explain how this was actually trapping.
Fact:You said you found early posts by Quilford and I suspicious, but neglected to elaborate on why until I badgered you about it. In fact, you neglected to bring it up at all until you were badgered.
The rest of my reasons for suspecting you're scum are, of course, based on my intuition, but they really aren't "baseless" accusations at all. Your actions simply don't give me a town feeling.
No, I think you should question me etc. I just think you aren't drawing logical conclusions from your questions.
Your first "fact" is not a fact at all. I have explained what I did and how I did it. To summarize, I saw a scummy post by Quilford, but it wasn't a lot by itself. I expressed support of your wagon but didn't vote to see what kind of reactions it would draw, particularly from Quilford. I wanted to gauge his reaction and felt that addressing his previously scummy post first would alter his reaction. It is not that hard to grasp. Don't sit there and pretend I haven't explained this when I have.
Your second fact is also not a fact. You were not "badgering" me. At that point, I viewed our exchanges as merely questioning, discussing, etc. as is normal. I explained then because it was clear that Quilford wasn't going to respond any time soon. I wanted to address his scumminess to HIM after I saw how he responded to your wagon,but he isn't around so instead I explained it to everyone by explaining it to you. How can I have neglected to bring it up? That doesn't even make sense.
You can go on with your gut read on me, but my point is that you have already made up your mind on that and are not achieving anything further with this silliness, so find some NEW points to talk about with me or other people. What I mean is we have been talking about the same things forever and I'm tired of it. I have repeated myself so many times that I'm losing my mind a little bit.-
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Amrun wrote:1. I have completed several games on this site (see my wiki) and have been nominated for Most Outstanding New Player. I also play extensively on another site and won Female MVP and Best Mafia Debator there.
2. I am a musician and future English educator and writer.
I have been busy since day start and I'm currently in car en route, so I'm here-ish, but my effort will probably be minimal for a couple of days (just as a heads up).
Quoting this post to emphasize that when you attack me for not posting content, I told everyone why I could not.
Amrun wrote:Zmuffin coming out worse in this exchange, but still not convinced.
Whether you like it or not, THIS was my prompting "trap" post. I have said that SO many times. Was it the most well-laid trap? No. But I was rushed and distracted and this is what I had time for -- and it bore fruit. I have explained more than once about this and I am tired of it.-
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LDKJFA;SKLFDJASD
I WILL NOT EXPLAIN MYSELF AGAIN
RE-READ THE 27 TIMES I ALREADY ANSWERED THOSE QUESTIONS-
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His low reading comprehension doesn't mean he's necessarily scum, unfortunately. x.x-
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People sliding onto the wagon in shifty, scummy ways -- which I HAVE said. It's hard to predict reactions. You see what happens and evaluate on a case by case basis.
And the other question should be self evident. You say to someone, "X action is scummy and I suspect you," tips them off that they are being scrutinized and they will alter their behavior. It's just basic psychology, which is what this game is all about.
And AGAIN about the post, answering RQS does not require thought, but posting real content does. I thought while I was notifying people of my semi-absence I might as well answer RQS.-
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This is so ridiculous.
Andrew voted in rvs and then has lurked. If he posts one more time without content, that may be my limit, but there's no point in grilling someone with no content.
Edmund has some reasoning, but more importantly, he's early in the wagon - not sliding on at all. Theirs are less substantial votes on the wagon but not worth attacking.
Quilford's slide on is scummy precisely because he HAS no reasoning. When his scummy slide on was pointed out, he has said something. That I expect an elaboration on his entire thought process about this is implicit. He'll give it if he wants to live.
It's honestly like I'm talking to a brick wall. I didn't like Quilford's reaction to pressure but I didn't want to tell him that because I wanted to see if he would react badly again! You tell someone that his reaction to pressure was scummy for x reason, and the next time they are pressured in th game, they won't do that again. It makes the reaction more forced, less genuine, and less useful in ascertaining alignment.
I am simply more concerned with finding scum than with covering my own ass. If this means I have to withhold sometimes, I'll do it. It's not something I do all the time, but in this case, I thought it was best.
If you think skimming the game and answering RQS takes just as much effort as reading carefully and formulating thoughts, it's not surprising that I think you should read more carefully. Please re-read the posts you are responding to before you post again and ask these questions: "Has this been answered before? Is the answer implied by a previous answer? What is there to gain by seeking this information?"
I apologize to everyone else in this game for being forced to spam it with repetitive shit.-
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I AM asking him to explain himself. He damn well better do so -- and soon.
Sometimes, it is good to force a change of behavior for analysis. Most of the time, even. Once again, this is theory discussion. It's pointless. Stop.
I formulate thoughts when I read things, but I usually try to read several times before posting -- but at the time, I was literally IN THE CAR posting from my phone while navigating for my mother. I had neither the time nor the inclination to type out an organized, readable post right then, and the main point of that post was to notify people of that.
ALL OF THIS SHOULD BE SO OBVIOUS.-
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My phrasing wasn't the best, but it is implied. I want an explanation from him.
I am saying that different tactics should be employed in different situations ... which is the same thing I have been saying all along.
This is SO pointless. I want to pull my hair out. Please, drop this stupid line of questioning that has no discernible benefit for anyone ever.-
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And now they're sheeping each other. Oh, joy. They really might be scum together.-
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In everything I said to Quilford it was implied.
I didn't say I was never going to explain why I found Quilford scummy -- and indeed I have! I just delayed it by like 1 real life day. Not even that much, I think.
That last was poor phrasing from me. Andrew is sheeping you. You are not sheeping him. Nevertheless, there is a connection between you two.
It's kind of cute you think you have out argued me.-
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Neither of those are my arguments. Please read more carefully if you're going to drag things out like this.-
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Once again, NO.
I'm done repeating myself. DONE.
Still not convinced you're scum, though. But your reading comprehension might be an issue.-
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Hmm.
I'm seeing Ghostlin more now. Still not the lynch I want for the day, but it isn't as bad as I thought.
His insistence on drawing an andrew/muffin connection is so strong that he's much closer than muffin to doing what he accused muffin of: setting up lynches.
There's a difference between acknowledging the possibility and sounding super sure of a pair without any flips.-
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I also disliked his reaction to the C-Worl thing.-
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So suggesting a policy lynch is scummy in and of itself?-
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Disliking it as a point in theory doesn't make it scummy. How is it scummy?-
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I know that, Tragedy.
I don't care what Quilford thinks about policy lynches except as it applies to his treatment of zmuffin.-
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Quilford wrote:whoops
UNVOTE: zMuffinMan
because I don't like anyone else on the wagon
Who on the wagon don't you like and why?
Andrew, it's true that you can't use a chainsaw without flips, but you need to post some real content and reads. After such an extended absence I expect a reads list.-
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Oh, you just told me.
Hmm.
I missed that.
Good find, Tragedy.-
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You don't think andrew was sheeping you, zmuffin? lolwat
Ghostlin is null leaning scummy for me now.-
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Because you were the only one who expressed any sort of suspicion on me and the only thing he's talked about all game is you.-
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It was the timing of it, obviously.
If he magically comes in here and has some case on me that is separate from yours, I'll retract it. Until then, no.-
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dvdkid, quilford, and andrew.
Waiting on content.-
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He probably meant AtE, in which case, he's full of shit.-
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That is not actually how hypoclaiming works.
Everyone claims random innocents AND guilties so that we don't out the cop.
But in this case, edmund's idea might work better.
We KNOW there's not a scum RB, which is basically the only way it could work.
I'm for it. I think it's a good idea.
Also, Quilford is content-dodging here but replaced into another game. Suspicion rises higher.-
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Andrew, that is not AtE. You perhaps need a lesson on AtE.
That, my friend, is a huge amount of frustration being expressed in the kindest way possible. Why you think that would invoke pity or sympathy I do not know. It is actually quite antagonistic.
Quilford needs to read more carefully.
The proposed plan of hypoclaiming is that EVERYONE claims innocents ALL THE TIME until the real cop gets a guilty.
Yes, it outs the cop, but it outs the cop with a guilty and a string of innocents, which may very well win us the game.
There is no RB to throw a wrench in this plan.
Also, Quoraoth lurked this hard one other time I've seen him, he was scum.-
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Hmm.
Good point, there.
But cop isn't the only PR and even if the cop gets killed before he gets a guilty then we get a couple of innocents which would be awesome.-
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No, today is better. We should decide for or against today.-
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