Mini 1742: game over

[Frozen Angel]

Well hello you darling

VOTE: RadiantCowbells

RC, I'll give you a solid townread the whole game if you sheeped me in voting Titus.

Same offer goes to talah and Frozen.

Titus is a confirmed mayor. don't mess with the government

[Frozen Angel]

As it is - I'm happy to get a wagon up on Frozen Angel if that's possible and try to sort a player I haven't played with before. There's nothing stopping you from having a conversation with Titus if you're looking to sort her (in fact, that was the reason I wanted to leave you two alone to joust), otherwise I'd like to hear about the scumread you've got.

very nice reasoning to make a wagon SO fast SO early ... So your saying we should lynch whoever we don't played before to just sort them out ...

[Frozen Angel]

Have you got a scumread on Titus now based on her response to your first post where no-one else had posted? Or are you just wanting to sort her?

:O scum read on first post?!

[Frozen Angel]

Well hello you darling

VOTE: RadiantCowbells

RC, I'll give you a solid townread the whole game if you sheeped me in voting Titus.

Same offer goes to talah and Frozen.

Titus is a confirmed mayor. don't mess with the government

Wrong game? The only game this could apply is ongoing... :/

I'm just saying a spam sentence... it had no relation to any games at all ...

[Frozen Angel]

counter vote on RC...


hahahaha give me a break.

VOTE: Talah
to eager for lynch.
not nice to newcomers
and want sapm reads on first post

pedit : @RC forward what?

pedit 2 : I can see how he can joke about having a town read on us for voting titus ... but I can't see humor in you stating "why is that?" and "we should lynch frozen because I want a fast wagon"

[Frozen Angel]

a smile is enough

but let me reason you :

- me and RC have a mafia background. I believe his vote on me is a spam vote and I'm sure he know my vote on him is just a spam vote (Don't be disappointed honey )

What do you mean by "haha give me a break"?

- means "give me a break" scum , your just going to hard toward nowhere ...

If you want to rebut that by saying I'm "eager for lynch", well, I'm okay with lynching you because basically you're not making sense and spouting nonsense.

- "spouting nonsense"

Which newcomers am I not nice to?

- me?

I asked Taly about his reasoning after my RVS vote and was happy to continue voting you. I wanted his read on Titus.

- Have I ever asked why are you voting me? I just asked why are you to eager to lynch anyone in page 2 and you wanted his read on titus based on 1 post?! and you asked him about his reads on titus base on a joke!

How is that spam reads?

- well f... English its my fourth language ...
I say why you want his reads on someone base on a spam post ...

[Frozen Angel]

My sentence about Titus was just a spam sentence with no kind of valid information. WE CAN'T have a mayor in this game becuase its normal. I just posted something To start the game ...

and there was nothing going on in page 1. it was just an entrance to game. now I have actually a read ... and its on you for already explained reasons (my vote on you is not RVS)

and base of my little knowledge about this game waggoning and advertising it so early in day 1 is definitely scummy . WHY AM I ACTING REALLY SCUMMY IN YOUR OPINION? because i'm questioning your EAGERNESS FOR LYNCH ?

your way to get out of RVS is weird. and of course I know its generally town lean - but in your case ... Its not at all.

[Frozen Angel]

well that's just my personality. so whats your point?

[Frozen Angel]

and I won't start to push a wagon because of someones spam vote.

+ you were advertising a fast wagon on me. I clearly said I have no problems with your vote. your tone in the other hand , don't seems like town

[Frozen Angel]

I don't think you're looking for scum, just interested in painting folks as scum.

says who were just saying , someone (it doesn't matter she was me) must be lynched just because I haven't play with her so far.

[Frozen Angel]

says who were just saying , someone (it doesn't matter she was me) must be lynched just because I haven't play with her so far.

This doesn't align with you saying you don't take RVS seriously.

RC, I'll give you a solid townread the whole game if you sheeped me in voting Titus.

Same offer goes to talah and Frozen.

That seems like an odd way to go about business considering the sequence of events.

Have you got a scumread on Titus now based on her response to your first post where no-one else had posted? Or are you just wanting to sort her?

Also I could have voted Titus for the return-vote had I wanted to at the time, but I didn't (same as I could have asked RC if I'd wanted at the time why Frozen Angel was a better unposted player to "thaw" than ICEninja).

As it is - I'm happy to get a wagon up on Frozen Angel if that's possible and try to sort a player I haven't played with before. There's nothing stopping you from having a conversation with Titus if you're looking to sort her (in fact, that was the reason I wanted to leave you two alone to joust), otherwise I'd like to hear about the scumread you've got.

^ this wasn't a apart of RVS ...

was it?

[Frozen Angel]

that's part not apart ^

[Frozen Angel]

@Frozen are you an alt? Am I allowed to ask that? Ignore this if I'm not.

nope. all my games are in my wiki page (just 1 finished). and I have another game in my own language which I played 4 years ago or something.

[Frozen Angel]

In post 31, Frozen Angel wrote:
I clearly said I have no problems with your [talah's] vote. your tone in the other hand , don't seems like town

This is just plain not true. You did have problems with talah's vote; you thought (like I did) that they were making a serious vote off of obviously RVS/spam material (cf 15 22). I dislike that you try to cover this up.

read 15 again ... its not about taleh's scum read on me. its about why he asks taly about scumreading titus's (clearly) spam post.

and in 22 I voted him for 3 reasons :
he was advertising to make a fast wagon
he said we should lynch the one we don't know
and he asks people to scum read people base on a naked spam vote / spam post

and I never said why are you voting me

[Frozen Angel]

^ this is scummy

[Frozen Angel]

vote who? I already voted him...

[Frozen Angel]

I can't understand the whole case against Wickan, explain more.

[Frozen Angel]

yep that's actually an interesting case ...

VOTE: Wickan in L3

need to see his reaction about this wagon , first ...

@JohnnyFarrar why am I making you nervous?

[Frozen Angel]

You don't act like a person who just started playing

*feeling confident* why there is always one saying that every game?

pedit - whoa - I missed that vote / I won't vote because I like putting people in l2 to see their reactions ...

[Frozen Angel]

I won't unvote* i mean ...

[Frozen Angel]

What drop on talah push? she is in my list for now .

I'm not allowed to have 2 scum reads ?

[Frozen Angel]

^ so happy to have you hear my Queen (I mean the queen of moon logic )

But I think RC just simply forget that vote on me. I saw that from him already ... I think it happened in our scum game as well ...

About whole wagon (myself included) I want to hear Wickan's defense first before saying anything else ...

[Frozen Angel]

Damn this game needs to slow down a bit.

you want to calm down your partner ha?

@RC , its somehow not usual you. I think (with my little knowledge) you start a very angry wagon on someone at this stage of game ...

Taly I can't see a good reason to unvote before wiccon's answer. It seems you wanted to say he is scummy But you didn't want to pressure him (like he is your scum partner) ...

[Frozen Angel]

Where does this knowledge come from?

no more explanation. Its about lots of ongoing games.

[Frozen Angel]

Haven't read anything yet, this avatar is extremely creepy.

VOTE: JohnnyFarrar

and yours not?

[Frozen Angel]

^ I wasn't online whenever you actually unvoted. or I was but I didn't noticed

you unvoted at 2 am in midnight in my timeline so ...

are you accepting this that unvote was scummy?
what was your reason for unvote again?

and I like your questions about Ice ninja really like to see his answers.

[Frozen Angel]

@wiccon how do you feel about people who are pushing you?

if you where a day vig. who was your target right now?

hint : trick question

[Frozen Angel]

@FA: ICENinja isn't pushing me. Voting for me yes, but pushing me no. I think the wagon on me was normal D1 pressure, which tapered off when Taly decided to prematurely abandon it

so your agreed that Taly's unvote was very scummy atm?

and yet if you were day vig you wouldn't claim it and kill him?

[Frozen Angel]

and yet if you were day vig you wouldn't claim it and kill him?

[Frozen Angel]

A simple yes or no can satisfy me. I already started my meta analyses ...

[Frozen Angel]

actually there aren't enough things to analise ... just a finished newbie game as town ... :/

[Frozen Angel]

@Frozen your vote's on Wickan still. Why? Is it still pressure?

you really think I must stop pressuring wiccon right now?

and BTW , I think its not wiccon's town game. he wasn't defensive at this rate in his only town meta I found.

@wiccon and why you don't want to answer the question I asked you?

[Frozen Angel]

to post 183

I said I don't like wagonning? show me that please
I said your way to make a wagon was scummy ... (my reasons are there)
can't you see the difference? I didn't vote you because you wanted a wagon on me , and you voted me. I vote you because You were so eager so early

now that I went back and see your posts again I feel I misunderstood them in some aspects. (please consider this fact that English is my fourth language)
That was a confess ^
for example I thought sorting someone means lynching them ...

...........................

And I'm repeating this :

I never said why are you voting me

[Frozen Angel]

As far as a case goes - egh I can't say I really do comprehensive cases. But yes I do think Frozen is scum this game.

[Frozen Angel]

Wagonning is an interesting mechanism. You always have to be prepared to go through with it - or represent that you will - or it's meaningless.

waggoing is a meaningless mechanism unless you have a direction for it. picking someone by random manner and stating you want her dead means you have no intention to scum hunt. its scummy waggoning not townish one.

@Johney

Taleh is townish right now.
and Bells I really have no idea about

and how is this bragging?

[Frozen Angel]

noted

[Frozen Angel]

You never asked me anything so what did I missed?

after 66 I'm sure I stated that my case against Talah stands (as its not stands that strongly anymore right now because most of it was simply because of misreading)

and in 124 you answered my question. what were you expecting to hear?

[Frozen Angel]

Well actually lets start sorting titus out.

why your posts are only one sentence long and your not explaining your actions. you say RC is scum becuase he is scum. Ice is my second suspect atm. wiccon wagon sucks ....

pedit : I got sniped by jhonys post

[Frozen Angel]

2qwik4U

hmm?

[Frozen Angel]

I can see a weird connection between titus - wicon. or its just me being paranoid?

[Frozen Angel]

the way titus says this wagon is so wrong.

the way they both try to push RC.

and post 230 was unexpected from wickon. it seems he started budding titus.

well move on It's just a feeling atm

[Frozen Angel]

You say that the Wickan wagon sucks

Yet you're still on it? Or am I missing something here?

it was what titus saying. read whole sentence ....

[Frozen Angel]

You replying about how I said I disliked the way you phrased your questions?

what about me phrasing my questions? I'm confused .

[Frozen Angel]

@Johnny: let's explore your alternatives to me (obviously I'm your number 1, but I'm curious about 2)

Do you think RC's continuous bringing up of his meta is at all scummy?

Do you think ICE's association tell thing is productive?

this one is just enough for voting you. trying to change the wagon is not a townish move

[Frozen Angel]

no I'm just saying that your really trying hard to misrep me. and I don't like it

[Frozen Angel]

no I'm just saying that your really trying hard to misrep me. and I don't like it

You focussed on my vote really hard entering the thread and I don't remember saying you'd asked about why I was voting you.

Would it be a scumtell if you did ask why? I don't think so and I don't get why you keep saying this.
And I mainly don't get why you said it in the first place.

basicly I didn't

and I knew why are you voting me , you explained it pretty well when you did that.

I said it in first place because of this misrep :

I think you've had nothing but problems with my vote. I didn't see you "clearly state" you had no problems with it.

my reasoning about voting was clear. you can go back and see them.

[Frozen Angel]

to eager for lynch.
not nice to newcomers
and want sapm reads on first post

these were my reasons for voting you

not your vote

so your sentence there was a misrep

[Frozen Angel]

"FA you have my opinion on."

means?!

[Frozen Angel]

I misunderstood your first post and thought you want a fast lynch when you said you want to sort me out :

I'm happy to get a wagon up on Frozen Angel if that's possible and try to sort a player I haven't played with before.

when i posted my 3 reasons you posted this :

I asked Taly about his reasoning after my RVS vote and was happy to continue voting you. I wanted his read on Titus.

I answered this :

- Have I ever asked why are you voting me? I just asked why are you to eager to lynch anyone in page 2 and you wanted his read on titus based on 1 post?! and you asked him about his reads on titus base on a joke!

see? I was thinking you want to lynch someone fast and that was weird so I voted you. I clarified myself That I'm not voting you because of your vote on me particularly. I'm voting you because you want a fast lynch.

Taleh your case against me is weak , stupid , nonsense and useless , But I like to let it to be solved by night actions because I'm getting a weird town-vibes from you right now .

I don't see why you think I'm scum for.

[Frozen Angel]

what do you mean by that?

I'm actually scumreading titus and wiccon as I said before. As I said I feel a weird connection between them.

But their already under pressure and I'm analysing people's reaction about them. I'll post my reads later today (don't have the time right now)

[Frozen Angel]

I'm actually scumreading titus and wiccon as I said before. As I said I feel a weird connection between them.

But their already under pressure and I'm analysing people's reaction about them. I'll post my reads later today (don't have the time right now)

All the more reason to add to the pressure though. If you're suspicious, why would you sit back and let other people handle it? Wouldn't the townie thing to do be to add pressure? It looks like you just want to have other people do the dirty work, so that you can stay above the fray.

before my read post I must answer to this . First I don't have unlimited time and I can't defend myself / pressure / catch up in the same time, but I'm trying my best .
about me pressuring you - I voted you to see your reaction and it was awful. you started accusing others when people started asking you questions. this was weird.
I read your only meta town game in site and this is not like it all. I asked you a question about the ones your scum reading in your wagon and you refused to answer.
I don't like your attitude to get more offensive when your under attack.
but that won't surly sort you out as scum, its really related to your play style and its just like your town game I read.
I really like to ask people to put you in L1 to sort you out. But I'm more concerned about Titus weird comments about your wagon now. Its a day 1 wagon and surely its not that reasonable, so i don't see her points at all.

[Frozen Angel]

ok sorry I don't have time to write my read post right now. doing it tomorrow maybe

[Frozen Angel]

I must clarify 2 points of my last post ^

the part your not answering me is not like your town meta

the part you get offensive is related to your playstyle and its similar to your town meta.

[Frozen Angel]

Wickan why you ignored my post about you?

and titus just answer this once : why wickan is definitely town?

[Frozen Angel]

FA's vote on Wicked had no substance or anything just sheepage.

any problem with that?

I want to test reactions. and you two's reactions are just not townish ...

and your 4 reasons sucks because :
1 ) wagons of day 1 happens just like this every time.
2 ) whats wrong about it?
3 ) so that proves his town? you may .... as well
4 ) so someone is not scum because I found someone else scummy?

@Wiccon respond to post 343 :

- accusing others is not scummy. being offensive when people are accusing you too hard is indeed.
- so you accept your not playing good? thats not townish.
- that's just categorizing not reading. I want your full / detailed reads bro.

[Frozen Angel]

nah its just RC being RC

[Frozen Angel]

FA, RC isn't generally scummy.
In fact, RC isn't scummy in this game. He's towny as fk.
Have you seen me get mislynched? Doesn't happen often. In fact, I'm maf kill bait pretty much, even when I'm obvsly VT.

I'll like to settle you down in next days. for now I want more about wiccon-titus connection so do your job and pressure titus for me please ...

[Frozen Angel]

sorting you out* :///// I hate english

[Frozen Angel]

nah your doing good.

Titus - wiccon relation is like 70% confirmed in my eyes

[Frozen Angel]

For now do what satisfies you. you help me read people with your aggressive style.

[Frozen Angel]

In return, will you vote Titus with me?

You're already 70% on the connection, please? <3

hmm , can I stay with my vote at least for some time lord RC ?

I like to see how how wiccon continue his aggressive defense...

@wiccon whats your read on titus (again?- if I missed your post about her) ?

[Frozen Angel]

FA, we're both town lols. Your vote still sucks.

I'm not so sure. but I'm certain you two have some connections. it could be a simple strong meta read though ... :/ But the point is you two had no games before this. how are you so sure about him?

and my vote don't sucks. its on my strongest read atm. whats your problem with that?

- accusing others is not scummy. being offensive when people are accusing you too hard is indeed.
- so you accept your not playing good? thats not townish.
- that's just categorizing not reading. I want your full / detailed reads bro.

1) I want to clarify which definition of "offensive" you mean here. Do you mean that I'm attacking others when I'm being accused? Yes, I do that. No, I don't see why that is scummy.

2) I mean, it's not actually scummy either. I'm clearly playing poorly regardless of my alignment, as everybody thinks I'm scum. That's what I meant.

3) Be more specific please. Again, I think I've provided my thoughts on near everybody at this point.

Also, for the record, you're calling this an aggressive defense? Do you think I'm being overly aggressive right now?

1 - Your tone when answering people wan't like a town in trap. your vice is like a scum who are requesting for help and trying to make a counter wagon.
2 - whatever is not townish is scummy. but maybe slightly scummy. your admitting you don't feel the need of playeing good and scum hunting?
3 - nop. all I can see are some bunch of questions, and this . X is slightly town. and I think Y , T , Z are scums. I want something like this :

X : I saw his posts, and for reasons A,B,C I have a town read on him.

Y : is buddying ......

.....

[Frozen Angel]

This game is starting to stall. We have a severely divided town with a handful of people feeling very strongly about something, but very little general consensus. Simple Plan has, for all intents and purposes, not yet posted in this game. Something has to give.

this is townish. I like this ^

[Frozen Angel]

Someone give me a short case of why I should vote someone other than Titus or Wickan, because right now I don't see myself voting anyone else nor does it look like I'll be able to convince 6 people to vote for Wickan.

this is not .... :/

[Frozen Angel]

Someone give me a short case of why I should vote someone other than Titus or Wickan, because right now I don't see myself voting anyone else nor does it look like I'll be able to convince 6 people to vote for Wickan.

this is not .... :/

if you have a case against titus -wiccon why are you asking people to give a short case?

and why you think you can't convince others to vote wiccon? if your case is that weak on them that you can't convince others about it. so whats is use?

[Frozen Angel]

(also, I would argue that there's plenty of continuity in my town playstyle: I sucked in that game and am doing poorly here )

this all started from here. just wanted to mention for others to follow

[Frozen Angel]

Sure. Mention it. I did.

see? this is the meaning of the offensive tone which I don't like.

you did. sure. that was needed to be specifically said here? Why you want to write this post at all? as someone who lived with psychologists for like 4 years I think this comes from someone nervous and angry. and I can't see any reasons but a secret which can provide those feelings.

I think you sir are hiding something.

[Frozen Angel]

what is exactly the case against ASP ? the way he was lying low?

[Frozen Angel]

What are your reads right now ASP?

I can't see your try to figure the game out .
somehow I was even forgetting that your in the game at all ...

[Frozen Angel]

what is exactly the case against ASP ? the way he was lying low?

It's not a case it's a scumslip.

yeah I figured that out.

[Frozen Angel]

a very stupid one .... :/ in the east

[Frozen Angel]

See 519. Admittedly I haven't read the whole game, and damned if I'm gonna if this is the response I get for actually posting reads.

you should start reading bro ....

[Frozen Angel]

Frozen gets it

what?

[Frozen Angel]

He is lying don't mod kill / ban us

[Frozen Angel]

that's true .... :/

[Frozen Angel]

Are you drunk too? Is everybody drunk?

100% percent town for saying this. I'm not so sure about myself either :/

[Frozen Angel]

I already said 1 thousand times

Talhe seems genuinely town. after his last push against me. and wick is probably scum because of his behavior. ^ check my Isoooo

[Frozen Angel]

wickan - titus! as I said so!

I'm 72% sure about it (got additional 2% from last time )

[Frozen Angel]

its my gut calculator

but siriously. the way titus buddied wickan. the way wickan responded to that. I can't sum it up

[Frozen Angel]

Nobody. We're going to let the game drag on for 3 weeks. Let's go hibernate. See you guys in Christmas!

I'm thinking about a ASP lynch. he is That inactive that I can see his flip more beneficial than himself

[Frozen Angel]

game deadline was mentioned to be in three weeks. how much do we have till then? :/

[Frozen Angel]

Wickan is literally the person she wants to lynch the least; if you think Titus is scum, Wickan is the way to go.

this logic is flawed.

But yeah I think Titus - wickon is a huge possibility.

Thx for explaining it RC your push against titus sounds way more logical now.

[Frozen Angel]

Vote Titus, please?

but she won't be lynched today

whats a white knighting?

[Frozen Angel]

But I'm convinced about Wicken as much as titus. Why should I change my vote on her when people won't likely follow.

[Frozen Angel]

what should I do!!!!!

ah hell. its RC's request

VOTE: Titus

if people voted me for this vote I'll kill you!

[Frozen Angel]

I will announce my Intent to hammer if we reached the L1 again on Wiccan.

[Frozen Angel]

I'm voting both of them in shadows

[Frozen Angel]

^ what ?

[Frozen Angel]

Not on board. They way we've avoided Wickan is actually starting to creep me out.

whats your opinion about Titus? and why you think the way she is buddying wiccan is not scummy?

[Frozen Angel]

so your saying you can't read her?

pedit : yeah I found out.

I'm not avoiding it. just testing waters and as a slave of RC's charm I must obey him

[Frozen Angel]

what kind of girl am I? :/

[Frozen Angel]

nah I'm one of his recruits in cult of annie just it

[Frozen Angel]

we have 2 weeks! lets talk about this.

^ that was my reason But I really have intention to hammer wickan as well

[Frozen Angel]

I just catched up

I will come here and share my insights about whats happening here at night. I'm in a hurry right now. but I'm happy with my titus vote atm

[Frozen Angel]

RC and FA aren't going to move from their Titus tunnel

false. I said I'm scum reading both wickan and titus. I'm really far behind in this game. I need to update myself.

I will catch up tomorrow because I have a very hard exam tomorrow.

[Frozen Angel]

ok I'm back catching up

page 21-25 :
ABR changes his view very lot. I don't like it. post 501 is not NICE
talah seems so certain about his town reads.
SP is suddenly under suspicious. he suddenly start posting ...
I like Johny views. He is actively trying.
ok ABR is on Wickan (after advertising Ice two pages ago)
SP admit he didn't read the thread and skimmed it.
Taly comes with his usuall wall posts asking wickan about his read list
talah advertise a SP lynch
Sp - talah chat seems t v t but I'm not sure
Taly asks people about possible scum teams
Jhony advertises a wickan lynch
Taly unvote Titus becuase it ain't gonna happen today (we have a LOT of time - if you believe that you might wanna try more?)
RC tunnel on titus actually give me a good feeling. I saw RC as scum likes to branch and bonde to find a suitable place to vote

page 26-30
RC promised a massive wall post - never came to light
Ice states he is fine with titus lynch (no vote) and giving sp more time to catch up
Titus states her desire to vote ASP - can't see why - game is about talking isn't it?
2 sudden votes on wickan from jhony and taly put him in L1
I voted titus to test a theory - RC is not likly scum
Titus start massive posting after my vote. not directly aimed for me or RC. just trying to show her active
Wickon came with a comment about Titus not his lynch : " RadiantCowbells's post read like a desperate attempt to justify a Titus scumread."
Titus asks wickon opinion about johnny (why johnny?!! why so suddenly him?)
Wickn states he don't like ASP - titus votes
Titus voted taly (how many alt -hydra acc's you have )
taly joined titus wagon - talah joined a wickon wagon
titus make her usual townblock. I expected that from her sooner

page 31-till now
ABR is happy with his taly vote
SP finally catches up and voting wickan.
taly is back on wickan wagon

oookay!
so
taly what motives you for all these fast changes? it seems you just want a lynch on wickan - titus ?
SP what is your current read list?
Titus why are you so sure about your town block?
ABR why are you so creepy?!
Johny whats your read on taly and titus exactly - you said your not going on each but more agreed about a titus lynch?
RC why no attack on me yet this game?
ICE why are you blaming town? your not one? start making data instead please ...
talah - I actually have no questions from you --

and yeah wickan really deserve this.

Intent to hammer Wickan

please next time your online Role claim

[Frozen Angel]

Because I wasn't here for like 10 pages ...

[Frozen Angel]

Claim: Hider

Well that's not a normal role is it?

http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Normal_Game

[Frozen Angel]

I got my revenge!

[Frozen Angel]

New/variant roles may be included in limited number (no more than 1 in a Mini, 2 in a Large), and should be based on the usual role mechanics: Killing, Protecting, Investigating, Blocking, Voting, Enabling and Communication.
Any new roles without a wiki page must flip with their Role PM (redactions permitted). A Rolecop investigation of the same role should be similar, without alignment.

this is the only way for existence of this role in game.

[Frozen Angel]

yeah its confirmable.

[Frozen Angel]

the main townie can't be protected?

[Frozen Angel]

what is the use of his role anyway :/ even if his claim is true?

I mean he can just hide behind someone else! whats the use of it after the claim?

[Frozen Angel]

Commuter is normal but Hider is not ... :/ its a possible role to be added (^post 805) buts its not normal

pedit : so whats the use of this role for us now? I mean if mafia know he has that role they simply attack others.

the only use of his is this : he says he is targeting someone and he died in night , then we can be sure he is mafia.

in this way we're risking two town lifes

pedit : Johnny is saying it ^^^

[Frozen Angel]

the last he in third line is the targetet person!

[Frozen Angel]

yeah wickan i already digged that page.

I think we MUST clarify your target or you won't be confirmed ever.

we might hope there is a doc helping the one your behind so np.

[Frozen Angel]

no one answered this : a protective can save the main target?

[Frozen Angel]

and is there a way for not having a protective in a normal game?

[Frozen Angel]

Doc on wickan target! I never said doc on wickan ....

[Frozen Angel]

that will save wickan and his target from death if his target is town. (isn't it?) and wickon will still die if his target is scum

[Frozen Angel]

Titus why are you scum reading me? :/

[Frozen Angel]

or they will fail on NK and we gain nothing. no harm done ha?

[Frozen Angel]

I'm going to sleep , bye. no hammer tonight - we have like 1/5 week till deadline - no rush

[Frozen Angel]

With all regards I don't buy hider claim. I checked lots of normal games Not even 1 contain that role.

I'm willing to lynch titus right now. this might clear up lots of things

VOTE: Titus

and I think we must send Wickon on ASP

[Frozen Angel]

w8 I was on titus wan't I?:/

[Frozen Angel]

yeah I found that out after that vote

RC seems tunneling hard. I believe its his town. maybe I'm wrong but its my little meta read on him.

[Frozen Angel]

we can't confirm wickan as town if he don't find the scum.

[Frozen Angel]

VOTE: Tahah

Town he wouldn't miss me out . I was one of his scumreads today.

plus that self vote ...

lets lynch this

[Frozen Angel]

Won't lynch:

Wickan [5] {Titus, talah, Johnny, Taly,Frozen}
Jonnhy [4] {Titus, talah, Taly,Frozen}
ABR [1] {Titus}
talah [1] {Titus}
Titus [3] {talah, Johnny, Taly}
Taly [2] {talah, Johnny}
RC [1] {Frozen}

Preference for lynch - nominate ONE only:

talah [1] {Frozen}
Ice [1] {Titus}
ASP [3] {talah, Johnny, Taly}

you mean this list ^ ?

[Frozen Angel]

that's titus great thing ... not based on the lists

[Frozen Angel]

looking at Talah's post he started the day with a meaningless attcak to me he never stated he has a null read on me. I was in his prefered lynch list in whole day long and he suddenly forgot to mention me as a possible lynch?

+ that self vote was WAY TOO SCUMMY. Thx Taly to dig that post he said he said "self voting is scummy" I was thinking I 'm sure I saw something similar but I couldn't remember where and I had no time to dig his Iso again.

Talah is 90% scum. and I have no idea why Titus town reads whoever I scumread

[Frozen Angel]

looking at Talah's post he started the day with a meaningless attcak to me he never stated he has a null read on me. I was in his prefered lynch list in whole day long and he suddenly forgot to mention me as a possible lynch?

I suppose that's what you mean by this (since you didn't answer when I asked in 1055:

Town he wouldn't miss me out . I was one of his scumreads today.

You're not in my "won't lynch" list nor my single preferred lynch for today. Which means I'll lynch you but you're not my first preference.

Preference for lynch - nominate ONE only:

Aside from Simple Plan I would lynch any of Ice, ABR, RC, Frozen before Taly or Titus - and that's saying something considering it's half the playerlist.

So... what are you talking about exactly?

+ that self vote was WAY TOO SCUMMY.

Can you tell me what was scummy about the self-vote apart from "WAY TOO" please. Usually self-votes are scummy because they're inauthentic or because they have some kind of fake appeal to emotion.

Thx Taly to dig that post he said he said "self voting is scummy" I was thinking I 'm sure I saw something similar but I couldn't remember where and I had no time to dig his Iso again.

Considering Taly said he dug it from our game together from 5 months ago, I'm not sure how you can remember seeing something similar. Can you explain that please?
(I haven't looked at the context yet but I'll get to it.)

1 - yes that was your answer

2 - hmmm, yes I see what you mean now about it.

3 - self voting is scummy. specially after a hider claim which I don't believe at all. it seems you wanted to extract the attention from him. plus yeah its appealing to emotion. and I think its in a wrong way.

4 - I'm not remembering that quote origin. I wasn't in this site then. I remembered you said something similar in this game . I might be wrong! I'm playing to many games atm. let me Iso you to find out

[Frozen Angel]

This is a terrible, terrible, terrible post.

Do tell
and please lynch me to put me out of my misery.

tia

So yeah this is hella confusing for me. GG scumteam.

these were the posts giving me the vibe you wanted to appeal to emotion in this game so far.

[Frozen Angel]

There are far more posts than that in this game with me expressing emotion.

yep and I find them scummy now. specially after self vote.

[Frozen Angel]

3 - self voting is scummy. specially after a hider claim which I don't believe at all. it seems you wanted to extract the attention from him. plus yeah its appealing to emotion. and I think its in a wrong way.

If you don't believe the hider claim at all, why is he in your 'won't lynch' list for today?

Won't lynch:

Wickan [5] {Titus, talah, Johnny, Taly,Frozen}

There are far more posts than that in this game with me expressing emotion.

yep and I find them scummy now. specially after self vote.

Those two statements of mine that you quoted, or all of the posts I've made which contained emotion?

because his claim is confirmable, don't twist my words.

hider is a not normal role + I never saw a normal game with hider (as I went back in histories of normal games)

[Frozen Angel]

and I find your appealing to emotion scummy. Its not like your personality at all. You can't have a logical mind and trully appeal to emotions . I think one of your faces is a lyer and thats like a very dirty politics to make a town read on yourself.

[Frozen Angel]

because his claim is confirmable, don't twist my words.

hider is a not normal role + I never saw a normal game with hider (as I went back in histories of normal games)

Okay fine. So you're not happy to lynch him today but don't believe the claim at all.

Is that twisting your words or is that exactly what you just said?

and I find your appealing to emotion scummy. Its not like your personality at all. You can't have a logical mind and trully appeal to emotions . I think one of your faces is a lyer and thats like a very dirty politics to make a town read on yourself.

That's not the point of what you're saying. You're actually arguing that I can't have a logical mind *and* express emotion at times. Which is an absolutely absurd assertion.

about first one :

because his claim is confirmable

Do I need to shout it for you?

about the second one : go to this site. answers the questions and come back. your T not F. peoples have 2 approach to any circemestanses. logical or emotional. your moves like political not any one of them.

I'm reading Psychological stuff for 4 years , tiger. I'm sure there is something hidden in your role pm.

[Frozen Angel]

www.16pesronalities.com

yeah pretty much what I thought

I know thinking styles can appeal to emotions. BUT for an INTP its so weird to base their play style.

plus I might be wrong. but if I'm going to lynch someone I'm happy about voting you

[Frozen Angel]

www.16personalities.com

sorry

[Frozen Angel]

Frozen's vote on my wagon was the most opportunistic given the lack of solid argument (I'll get to RC and ABR in a second) and there are several other aspects to her play which haven't panned out as continuing town, like it seemed they might early-ish game after my initial serious scumread and push. I'm heading back to scum there and a fantastic compromise. I don't know why she has so much implicit support but isn't pushed - indicating to me that scum aren't pushing an obvious lynch target (because she's scum).

opportunistic how? you were in my suspects list since the start of game! lack of what solid arguments?

ok try to make other assumptions to vote me. this is clearly OMGUS

[Frozen Angel]

I just felt your town for a while , But more reads cleared my head up. if we're not lynching Wickan you must be lynched.

[Frozen Angel]

The below results are the more important result as far as Town consensus is concerned.

Implicit Will lynch list:
This is the inverse of the "Won't lynch" list

^^^^^^^ you think people should lynch the one who they have no solid read on?

i'm sorry town for that because I was hellish busy in past week. I'll try harder to engage with the game

[Frozen Angel]

you all say that ^ (about 50 questions)

whatever!

I want a valid lynch as town and you seem valid becuase of your self vote. sorry if it feels oppuortunistic. you apealed to emotion whenever you thought its best thing for you to do.
as I said its political . I can't buy them

+

I never flipped back and fourth about my reads. I'm scumreading wickan , you and titus in same order.

and as i said I hadn't enough time to contribute in this game and I'm sorry for that. you think you have enough reasons to vote me?

this is clearly omgus.

[Frozen Angel]

So out of the top 5 compromises you're prepared to compromise on me only.

Anyway I've spent hours here again.

What do you think about Taly?

Titus new posts trying to buddy you make me guess we have a 3 party mafia : you - wickan - titus. but its so hard for making such a wild guess. (my last normal was three party). and this is just an idea.

wickan never accused you of anything. you where always enough distanced from wickan. as I don't buy his claim your the best option here

taly is a hard tryer. he is comparing , connecting dots , follow votes and game states , meta reading , making assumptions , making accusations , and voting whoever he thinks more scummy.

I really have no reason for scum reading him

pedit : I'm ENFP. you expect something less emotional? I'll try to engage the game yeah i promise. I was busy with my midterm exams and other games and that is omgus

[Frozen Angel]

You

and I'm not scum because of a list you invesrsed that implies who people has no read on (not scum reading)

[Frozen Angel]

and me voting you has no relation to that list.

your logic is flawed.

[Frozen Angel]

no its the people who they wont consider no-voting them

stop twisting this talah

[Frozen Angel]

your self vote was WAY TO SCUMMY (you want me repeat this more?)

and I wasn't opportunistic at all in jumping in your wagon. your trying hard to twist everything and its not your personality to appeal to emotion for no reason.

believe me you're going to get lynched for that omgus vote on me

[Frozen Angel]

lol

nice comment scum

[Frozen Angel]

I'm kind of sure about him after that list twisting thing (inverse thing)

[Frozen Angel]

this is not the list of what people want to lynch. its just the inverse of the list that people don't want to lynch.

[Frozen Angel]

for example I'm sure Johnny and taly already said I'm not in their lynch list at all.

this list is not the thing your advertising it is. this is a clear misleading and flawed logic.

[Frozen Angel]

ha. this one I accept.

I was busy elsewhere , when game was heating up. As I said I'm sorry for that. I tried to catch up but I never had enough time to put a real effort in scum hunting . But I tried my best to have a clear stance in game.

[Frozen Angel]

Johny and Ice your current reads on Talah ?

[Frozen Angel]

what do you think about the inverse list thing talah brought up. no one else has any problems with that? as he wanted to say its people conscious

[Frozen Angel]

@Frozen If you didn't want to lynch the people on that list you should have put them on your "won't lynch" list. He's looking for lynch possibilities, which is maybe a little scummy but also he's far from the only one trying to end this day

its the inverse of "won't lynch them today's list" not "I'm willing to lynch today list"

you get what I mean? he is really trying to show herself not a suitable vote

[Frozen Angel]

himself * ^ this pronouns are killing me ^

[Frozen Angel]

no see. there is another option. lots of people has null read on me.

by that inverse thing he tried to imply their all scum reads. and he even voted me for that.

[Frozen Angel]

Your willing to lynch someone. you have no idea about lynching someone or you have a clear town read and you won't lynch someone.

its not 2 options

[Frozen Angel]

not willing != won't (not equal sign)

[Frozen Angel]

and you town read talah because ?

[Frozen Angel]

and you think what he will learn about my town-flip ? I was literally inactive nearly whole day long.

[Frozen Angel]

Your head is wrong

I'm usually all over the game not just showing up and telling something and vanishes I had a very busy week + all the ongoing games ...

I really want to hear some real accusations on me instead of advertising people concious

[Frozen Angel]

Talah flips will give me a better view about Titus and wickon we can send Wickan to check ASP or us.

[Frozen Angel]

Just vote Talah guys. The game is stalling for no other reason than you not voting Talah.

The game is stalling because we refuse to lynch town. Use that brain behind your ears. I will no lynch before I vote anyone in my won't lynch pool.

why your so sure about wickan? even after that Hider claim ... ?!

[Frozen Angel]

Its a normal game , Hider claim is a reason to trust less. the only reason I'm not agreed with that lynch is that we can confirm him with sending him to a chosen target.

[Frozen Angel]

And if i forgot to mention choosing a pool for him won't work. we need to confirm him.

[Frozen Angel]

its not guaranteed to have a no-normal role in setup.

[Frozen Angel]

plus I can't find a single normal game containing Hider. can you link me one ?

[Frozen Angel]

who were your scum reads again ?

[Frozen Angel]

Also that hiding joke he pulled from 30 pages ago is super unlikely to come from someone who didn't have a hider pm. He quoted

someone else

too, so he'd have been planning that fake claim for a whiiiiiiiile as scum or just an astoundingly good memory, but him just being a hider (which is a bad role for scum to fake claim) is way more likely

oh

[Frozen Angel]

yep that was convincing enough. I need to reevaluate my reads ...

[Frozen Angel]

I'm kinda liking this Frozen argument by Talah.

Tell me again why we're on Talah today? I seriously don't see this hitting scum, and I'm not sure I want to contribute. Nonetheless, I'm going to be out of town tomorrow until around this time. If a hammer hasn't happened or an alternate decision hasn't been made, I'll hammer.

what do you like about it? that people conscious thinks I must be the lynch? and btw (you were top of that list remember?)

[Frozen Angel]

the case on talah is this :

- unnecessary appeal to emotion
- self vote
- trying to exclude himself by advertising whats people concious (inverse list thing)
- making omgus on everyone who voted him and voting me because of that
- trying to show his wagon is scum driven - and calling the scum team to ran away from the lynch

[Frozen Angel]

^ that's what I was trying to say ...

[Frozen Angel]

I really don't like half of FA's case. (Her ISO is also mehhhhh)
>I don't see talah using AtE that much, if at all - plus I don't agree with the concept of AtE itself.
>I don't see talah's vote as OMGUS, exactly - even if I don't understand the re-vote.
>So.... Whenever I was pushed to L-3 by Wickan, Titus, and ABR - and calling THEM out as a possible scumteam (before Wickan's claim) - I'm not somehow scum, but talah is?

- go back in his Iso him and you will see all those unnecessary emotional stuff which is against his personality .
- he called all the voters scum and then voted me base on the inverse list.
- I'm not scumreading him because of calling out the scum team. I'm scum reading him because he called all his voters as the scum team to ran away from the lynch.

+ I myself called Titus , wickan and talah the scum team somewhere before

your more comfortable with me ? menas you want to see my lynch more than Talah ? if so why aren't you joining him ?

[Frozen Angel]

@Taly : I think there are some language barriers here

about emotional part I have no more comment - yes it can be angry town but that self vote wasn't an angry town move. specially there.

Talah (5): RadiantCowbells, Frozen Angel, Albert B. Rampage, Taly, ICEninja

well he called RC ,ABR , you , me and ICE cases bad and scummy and he called a scum team : RC-Ice and me all three are his voters.

so yeah he is trying to show the wagon bad.

and telling us that we're all scum because we're voting him

I said I was telling a possible scum team before. I don't believe it anymore.

and i misunderstood your last post last part that's because I asked it.

[Frozen Angel]

Alright, then? Talah townreads me from what I'm seeing, and I don't know where her head is at with ABR.

are these like town reading ? or slight scum readings ?

Taly's push was pretty bad too and I'm going to be considering that but still don't want to lynch him today.

~ On ABR - I'd like to think his voting-round-the-world strats have a purpose. Not really perturbed by his "game too easy" comments when I'm at L-1 with intent to hammer. I want to see his play after a flip if I'm around.

[Frozen Angel]

well that makes me believe what RC is saying. he says you had a bad push and he wants to qualify it after a flip happens then he says he thinks your town ?! this don't add up.

[Frozen Angel]

she had no pronoun. I was referring to talah. and I really didn't understand the first question.

[Frozen Angel]

we have another week ahead of us ?!!! :O

[Frozen Angel]

Yes, but I saw FA was in there, I had to.

*hugs*

[Frozen Angel]

Just out of interest Frozen, do you know what inverse actually means?

Not trying to be a bastard here but all I did was turn the list of "won't lynch" upside down. ASP was at the top because 0 people said they wouldn't lynch him.

I'm just trying to figure out exactly why you find me scummy. It's not making a lot of sense to me on that basis. You keep saying "inverse list thing" as if you don't know what you're actually saying.

Also you keep saying "being emotional is not part of my personality". I am actually quite an emotional person, but it depends on the situation. Do you think certain people are robots?

One other thing too. Why do you think I was emotional when I voted myself? Because I wasn't. Unless glee is an emotion.


Also, thanks Taly for responding in a better format. I read what you said. I don't mind being lynched today for what it's worth.
And... I don't really care about pronous because I don't believe it's game related but mention it when I'm asked - I'm a bloke. Ether's made my last couple of Avatars.

that was the list "The people we won't lynch today" you inverted it and called it " the list we will lynch today" ... its not !
people have null reads as well , the only thing that inverse list means is "the people we don't call obvious town atm". you trying to say everyone is scumreading me, which they don't because I can't see them doing that.

ok , your self vote was scummy as hell. there was no logical reason for that. not a single damn one. and I said I'm not buying you did that as an emotional move. you just confirmed it! ty ! I was saying it was all politics , and using politics to force a direction for the game is scummy.

responding a better format ... I won't mind getting lynched for the greater good... your implying me and Ice(now Jeanne) are definitely scum for voting you. Your just pushing it into everybody's head . that is sooo obviously wrong. Its not town motivated at all.

[Frozen Angel]

well. I don't know if its about my english or you trying to twist my words :

I say It was no LOGICAL and no EMOTIONAL town move. it was a POLITICAL scummy move.

^Obvious?

nope RC was testing you. your self vote was a kind of appealing to emotion and a try for showing his push absurd.

about the list.

That means you would consider lynching them, which is what "consensus" means. It's about finding out who we are all okay with lynching.

nope it doesn't mean that how hard you try to advertise it. Its not their desire to lynch whoever their not scumreading , but they might get convinced about them. thats why its obvious your trying to make a counter wagon.

[Frozen Angel]

RC may or may not have been testing me but I'd asked him several questions about his moves beforehand and in fact his vote on me was in direct response to a couple of pokes I'd made which still went unanswered.

and you voted yourself to see his reactions?! what kind of test is that! :/

What's a "political" scummy move? And why are you trying to squirm away from your assertions that I've been trying to appeal to emotion?

the fact you tried to show how ridiculous RC vote is on you . this was a political appeal to emotion.

nope I'm not squirming! you voted yourself and everybody thought it was an emotional move. but it wasn't! it was a tactic to stop RC tunnel.

[Frozen Angel]

the provoking thing is the political move.

whats your case against me beside that inverse list thing and the fact I'm voting you?

[Frozen Angel]

Wickan's missing from that list, fyi.

That's just the list of players in the game minus people that I think are town though. So, there's that.

Asking you to branch out from your tunnel which I disagree with is not stupid questions.

I frankly find a singular tunnel scummy as hell because it's just a way to avoid participating with opinions otherwise.

Okay, you're scum.

VOTE: Talah

this is him trying to test Talah's reaction. and Talah voted. how do I know he was testing talah? what are you suggesting?!

+ this Taly post was weird as fuck. I'm getting a Taly-talah trying to make a counter wagon vibe.

[Frozen Angel]

Her continued attitude toward the Wickan situation

what?! quote me when I did that...

[Frozen Angel]

we need to make a smaller pool because we can't confirm him with a three pool party. that's what I was trying to say.

I'm not scum reading him anymore. but he claimed something and he need to be confirmed in night.

I can ask him on me if you want a prove.

[Frozen Angel]

@Frozen He's town. Locking down his target will kill him. The pool gives him room to maybe live and confirm more than one person.

But Johny! why are you so sure about him being town?! He is not confirmed! he made a joke about hiding so what? that's really helpful for townreading him but not enough!

by sending him to a 3 pool party we can't be sure about the result.

[Frozen Angel]

Johny the main reason Titus said he won't live till lylo was because someone would counter claim him. but his role is not normal and its not guaranteed that is there a no normal role in setup or not.

I mistaking the reason?

[Frozen Angel]

Johny the main reason Titus said he won't live till lylo was because someone would counter claim him. but his role is not normal and its not guaranteed that is there a no normal role in setup or not.

I mistaking the reason?

No we're saying we lynch him before lylo

oh

[Frozen Angel]

I said this before why she didn't correct me?

[Frozen Angel]

Wrong. It's a terrible fakeclaim. It can be leashed as we have done.

If anyone else is not normal Wickan gets turbo lynched. He doesn't live to lylo.

its not guaranteed to have a no-normal role in setup.

No. That's why the pool and why Wickan doesn't live until lylo.

Literally my townreads are town. If y'all are gunna vote town I am not helping.

Call me when there's a scum wagon at l minus 1 I am not on.

I'm confused ...

[Frozen Angel]

the provoking thing is the political move.

whats your case against me beside that inverse list thing and the fact I'm voting you?

In the shortest possible form,

You're extremely defensive and you take that to ridiculous extremes.

Two examples that come to mind are
- The initial RVS wagon which I attempted. You did not react in a town way, but rather blew it out of proportion.
- When when we'd all finished saying who we *wouldn't* lynch and you realised that town basically don't care if you are lynched, you reacted extremely badly, not even bothering to see if the information we'd all given was helpful.
- It was.

You're repeating an "inverse list thing" mantra over and over without explaining why information is scummy.

I asked who of the top half of the list you would be prepared to vote and you flipped your lid.
I'm guessing that at least one of your scumbuddies is in those 4 others aside from you, considering you did not want to consider a discussion about consensus at all.

You can't decide whether to call me scum for being emotional or logical, so you make up a new term "political".

and then say I'm neither emotional nor logical even though both of these have been what you've been ranting about.
Also, you didn't say that I was appealing to emotion until I suggested that this would be one of the usual reasons a self-vote is scummy.
You pushed on that for a long while but have now switched to an invented term when you realise you're not making sense.

You're using appeal to authority to paint me as scum by saying you have a psychological background.

and have said several times that being emotional doesn't fit my personality, when we've never played a game together before.

I think you've been playing dumb at times, on purpose.

It's a defense mechanism. If something doesn't suit what you want to hear, you pretend it did, and then ask for clarification.
When clarification is provided, you pretend to take the new information on board to "revise your reads".
However you never actually revise them.


There's other stuff but I honestly couldn't be bothered right now.
I'll be around for a bit but not for hours tonight.

1- being extremely defensive is my personality.

2 - I'm repeating it because your assumption and what you advertising by it is wrong

3 - your scum because that move wasn't a clean emotional - nor logical move.

4 - I just said it once. yes I have that background and I found reason 4 scummy for that

5 -

[Frozen Angel]

G'day Beetlejuice.

good day

But I wasn't lurking ... I'm always around at this time of the day ...

pedit - you can see my other games ...

[Frozen Angel]

Let me give you a hypothetical.

(inb4 "hypothetical" is scummy)

Me: "Hi Frozen, I think you're scum because YOUR personality is more about touching emotion and being humourous than being angry and defensive"

You: ...

[Frozen Angel]

Why were you pushing appeal to emotion as my big scum drawcard?

What did you think about ICE and what do you think about Jeanne so far? I don't think you interacted with ICE at all, did you?

because that emotion wasn't in right place!

and about Ice, his first game posts were concerning but later he got more rational. right now I'm not so fan of that slot lynch. and Jeanne is just her usual self. I like her push on RC. but RC is not scummy in my eyes. yet

You can ISO me and search the word Ice if you want to see my interactions with that slot. it wasn't less than my interaction with anyone else beside you.

[Frozen Angel]

your accusing me of not been intracting with Ice and I need to research it for you?!!! seriously?!

The only finished game : http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=64284

and we're playing in hydra and we talked a lot since last game ...

+ last time there was nothing out of Jeanne and I only send that *hugs* thing because she replaced in this game just because she saw my name in it ...

now if your asking I like to w8 and see how she will continue her RC push. that's when I can read her.

Where are you at on Titus / talah / Wickan scumteam? Your reads have been pretty static on us three as scum even though you've expressed small changes of heart.

kidding me right ? I explained it like 100 times later? It was before Johny's very convincing comment about Wiccon might be the hyder.

and yeah I'm not sure about Titus.

i'm more like seeing you and Taly in the scum team. but why are you forcing me to talk about an scum team before seeing any flips?

[Frozen Angel]

Because you've been saying that yourself.

+ I myself called Titus , wickan and talah the scum team somewhere before

---

your accusing me of not been intracting with Ice and I need to research it for you?!!! seriously?!

I'm not sure what the actual fak your point is here but you were the person who told *me* to research it.
I don't remember any interaction between you two and you both of you declined to say you wouldn't lynch the other.

I'd rather just ask you about your interactions with ICE, because I remember none. Which means you weren't scumhunting on ICE. I guess you had him as a null-read all along? And you're not trying to interact with Jeanne.
And you tilted when I gave data of ASP / ICE / RC and said I didn't want to vote ASP.


So yeah I'm headed out for tonight.
Who are your top scumreads right now?

I explained it before. I said I myself did such a thing before (calling out the scum team) and I myself don't beleive the fact of calling the scum team is not scummy by itself ...

and I scum readed Ice for a while if you go back and start reading my posts instead of assumptions ...

and ha?!

[Frozen Angel]

I mean what do you mean by this :

And you tilted when I gave data of ASP / ICE / RC and said I didn't want to vote ASP.

my scum reads are you and Taly. my strong town read is Johny. I have a slight town lean on titus right now. and I don't like to sort wickan right now

I'm watching Jeanne and RC and I won't comment about it until RC's response.

[Frozen Angel]

so?

[Frozen Angel]

I have 191 posts in my Iso (without this one) and we have 10 players in game. more or less 2 or 3 sentense long. I have same amounts of posts regarding to jhony. does that proving anything ?

what are you questioning here my amount of posts or my try to solve that slot ? because I'm trying to solve that slot but I can't concentrate tunneling for gathering clues on everyone at the same time ...

[Frozen Angel]

ok but this wont prove anything because I'm town.

[Frozen Angel]

Why are you worried about me proving anything when I'm scum in your eyes?

your suggesting I'm buddy with ICE. I'm saying this suggestion won't prove anything because I'm town.

I'm not worried about you proving anything because It won't prove anything ...

Plus I was trying to sort Ice but how could I when he posted only 46 posts ... my 10/15 posts related to him was his share and he got it. he was in my slightly-town slot when replaced out.

[Frozen Angel]

You didn't ask him anything, you just made a couple of comments in his direction.

So you weren't scumhunting him at all. You weren't trying to figure out his alignment.

I think it's because you didn't want to say anything awkward to associate yourself with him.

Are you saying I should believe you're town because you're town? So if my first post of each game is "I'm town" then I'm town every game?

as i said I wasn't putting afford on this game. I was just catching up for more than half part of the day. when I came back Ice had a very good view about the game and I couldn't fin anything suspiciously scummy in his posts.

No I'm just saying what is this whole relation thing going to prove while you never saw my flip? I'm town and I will flip town and your whole case will just burn to ashes.

your making reasons and building assumptions to show me guilty. which I'm not. start bringing more logical points why are you scumreading me and I will answer them.

[Frozen Angel]

My connection to Ice was just as much as my connections to Johny , wickan , titus , RC , taly ... nearly everyone else in game. No I wasn't scum hunting but hey! look! I already apologised for that,

I started few days ago. By scum hunting you and Taly ...

[Frozen Angel]

My connection to Ice was just as much as my connections to Johny , wickan , titus , RC , taly ... nearly everyone else in game. No I wasn't scum hunting but hey! look! I already apologised for that,

I started few days ago. By scum hunting you and Taly ...

So you think Taly and I are scum together?

Why did he bus me then, when he voted me and looked up that bullshit meta from the only other game we'd played?

he did a very cute buss on you and just went in shadows and let you advertise someone like scum in your wagon. Taly's back and fourth was definitely not bussing.

[Frozen Angel]

he did a very cute buss on you

vote*

[Frozen Angel]