VOTE: Implosion because he's the only player I know
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I've seen the RVS self-vote a couple of times, but I can't link it here. I don't think it's necessarily indicative of alignment.In post 42, AstralFlare wrote:That was in 2012! In her more recent games, I'm unable to find any examples of anyone selfvoting during RVS.she opened up with a self vote in Open 398, where she ended up being scum. I couldn't find any other games where she started like that.
Chrimi: In addition to Jib's question, I would like to know if you've had any recent off-site experience.
It's the middle of the day for me (11:35 AM as I write this) so I'm working - most of my posts will come on the weekend or in the evening (my time).In post 39, AstralFlare wrote:Jibs seems towny, he's quite actively questioning people and trying to push the discussion forward, with lots of effort spent on checking Chrimi's past games. I'll be investigating those as well, and I'll post in a few hours if I find anything interesting.
Implosion, is your Penguin FoS tone based as well?
Shannon and rocnix, do you have any thoughts right now on anything?
IMHO having an alt account totally matters in a game like this. It's not like you're playing a hunter instead of a mage and that gives you different abilities. Unless you're faking a whole other personality, an alt in mafia only serves to obscure yourself to get an advantage over players who might otherwise recognise your style and your tells.In post 49, Chrimi wrote:Wait wait wait
Are you guys seriously taking my first post's RVS joking self-vote as somehow scummy?
I've had alternate accounts, as well, not that it matters. I've also played a shitton off-site. :s
In post 42, AstralFlare wrote:That was in 2012! In her more recent games, I'm unable to find any examples of anyone selfvoting during RVS.she opened up with a self vote in Open 398, where she ended up being scum. I couldn't find any other games where she started like that.
Chrimi: In addition to Jib's question, I would like to know if you've had any recent off-site experience.
In post 66, Jibs wrote:Hello Shannon! I have some questions for you.
VOTE: shannon
Do you see scum agenda behind the people questioning Chrimi?In post 43, shannon wrote:I do find it interesting that people are checking Chrimi's past games so thoroughly at such an early stage, based on what looked (to me) to be a reasonably off-hand comment. I personally don't delve in to past games looking for clues as to play style, I just go on what I remember from playing with them.
How much of this post was sarcastic?In post 51, shannon wrote: IMHO having an alt account totally matters in a game like this. It's not like you're playing a hunter instead of a mage and that gives you different abilities. Unless you're faking a whole other personality, an alt in mafia only serves to obscure yourself to get an advantage over players who might otherwise recognise your style and your tells.
VOTE: Chrimi for being the sort of person who has alts to hide behind.
In post 97, thenewearth wrote:Shannon's voteIn post 67, Jibs wrote:thenewearth: Can you give me a read on penguinpower? Can you explain your read on shannon?
Incredibly scummy
Must die
In post 109, Jibs wrote:Hello everyone!
Here is the case on Shannon. (snippy snip but clicky the linky to view it again)[/post]
The point of my post and vote wasn't to test Chrimi's reaction, it was the see the rest of you react - to see what you would make out of a rubbish point made early. And the winner is ... 0x40, whose first post came in just after my 'reaction test', and who made a giant mountain out of a molehill. His very first post is 71 where he votes Chrimi over basically a typo or turn of phrase, then kicks it on to 75, 92, 93, 94, 100...etc etc. The whole ISO is basically pushing Chrimi over absolutely nothing. I'm not sure whether it's alignment indicative or just overzealous/personality based, but it's worth a vote at this point.
VOTE: 0x40
Implosion is looking fairly neutral at this point, I can't tell much between his IC posts and his regular play style.
Jibs is behaving decently townily and I liked that he questioned me over my change of mind on Chrimi
Chrimi reads like frustrated town
I've not really got much of a read on the others at this point.
Apologies for not being part of the big conversation that happened, it was overnight for me. GMT+8
Basically, this.In post 224, Chrimi wrote:1. There are many players who believe meta is bogus.In post 223, 0x40 wrote:What reason? And saying that your meta is useless is not a valid reason, because that's simply not true.In post 219, Chrimi wrote:I already gave you a reason why I can't. Remove your vote, or find a real reason why I'm scummy.
2. Alternate accounts are made to try different playstyles, or to enjoy people not knowing who your main is.
3. Me giving the username(s) of my alt(s) is completely pointless and doesn't help town or scum.
I have some questions about this postIn post 251, 0x40 wrote:Here are my reads so far:
Jibs: Seems to be extremely overconfident in some of his reads, putting shannon at 31% scum for very minor reasons, and townreading Rocnix at 19% scum for seemingly no reason at all. He thinks policy lynching is a good enough of an idea to bring it up, which is insane from a town perspective. Lynching based on policy rather than lynching whoever is the most scummy is extremely anti-town. He wants Chrimi to not get replaced and doesn't give a good explanation why. 32% scum.
Chrimi: Isn't really scumhunting much, is very selective in the questions she chooses to answer, selfvoted during rvs, votes implosion for some strange reason, anddoesn't seem to have much of a read on anyone. 30% scum.
thenewearth: Pretty much all her posts are completely useless.Seems to have basically no reads whatsoever on anyone, and has done next to no scumhunting. 27% scum.
shannon:Doesn't seem to have any reads on anyone either, but seems to at least trying to scumhunt. 23% scum.
implosion:Hasn't really given much of a read on anyone since post #33, but that's kinda understandable considering that not much has happened in this game so far. 23% scum.
AstralFlare: Is supposedly working on a readlist that will be posted today. Been actively scumhunting. 22% scum.
PenguinPower: Makes a reasonable case against Chrimi in #110. Has a readlist that makes sense. 20% scum.
Rocnix: Has a readlist that's almost identical to PenguinPower's. Not much else to go by. 23% scum.
I can see why newbie town would ask this, but I don't think there's a good way to answer it without giving scum some kind of useful information. So here's a general answer, strategies that scum might pursue -In post 297, Rocnix wrote:
Shannon, I have a bit of an oddball question for you (or anyone who would like to throw in their two cents): Who do you think is in the most danger of being nightkilled?
In post 307, Rocnix wrote:I may as well explain my whole logic behind that question, since it's unsafe to get answers:
1) It gives a partial readlist in a different context, by talking about who would kill, who has motivation to, and who is town enough to be killed.
2) Talking about who scum should kill and why gives more context to analysis tomorrow.
3) It's a question specifically about maf's actions, so it's a lie in which they can be caught. I'm not good at reading subtle things, so I could use a specific interaction to target.
Is there a way to examine this without threatening prs?
My post perhaps made me seem more confident than I am, but it just seems convenient that the whole thing keeps rolling on with these four players. and it's not like it's two sets of pairs cross-voting each other, it really is a round robin. So I think someone is invested in keeping that going as cover.In post 336, AstralFlare wrote:Why do you think scum is there? Last I checked, you had Chrimi and I as town, and PP and implosion who aren't in the round robin as null. Assuming your first scumread is Jibs, what makes you so quick to discount PP and implosion, and so confident that it's either TNE or 0x40 as second scum?In post 333, shannon wrote:We have Chrimi on AF, AF on TNE ,TNE on 0x40, and 0x40 on Chrimi in a round-robin of OMGUS and early game grudges. I think one of our scum is here
Yeah that's kind of the point of the game?In post 337, thenewearth wrote:Ya'll are reading waaay to into texts btw
In post 342, PenguinPower wrote:So...you were too busy, and needed 2-3 hours, to basically say that 0x40 is scum because he's tunneling your subjectively-called weakest player, Chrimi; and, that shannon is town because you said so but will never tell us. Oh and screw providing your town reads because...yeah...
Solid reasoning...thanks for your contributions...you have definitely helped town out here.
That's totally not a defense for not participating. It's not like scum can't make their own judgments about who's towniest. And it's also not like scum auto kill the towniest looking person - someone can be both genuinely towny and wrong about who's scum, after all. (Pedit - What implosion said)In post 343, thenewearth wrote:Yeah because making it easier for scum to NK the towniest player is the greatest contribution
bzzt
In post 466, thenewearth wrote:Shannon its posts like that that make me think you're 1000% scum :/
PR controlling = giving what I thought was good advice, YMMVIn post 473, thenewearth wrote:Nah its because that post was almost either
role fishing, LAMIST post, PR controlling
All 3 points are scummy
There totally could be a doctor.In post 495, PenguinPower wrote:Wait...why just those two? Could there not also be a Doctor?In post 493, Chrimi wrote:That's.. very interesting? So we've got a JK, BP or both.
OK, so Implosion, Chrimi - -In post 502, Chrimi wrote:The reason for wanting town to consolidate is so we don't have a no-lynch and end up with no information on Day Two, no?
Initially I thought that forgetting the doctor might have been due to Chrimi having one particular scum role, but then I looked at the matrix and saw that there could be other town PRs with that role, so nope, not a scum slip.In post 521, Chrimi wrote:How is it a scumslip? If anything it's a "I'm obviously not a doctor" slipIn post 520, PenguinPower wrote:Why would it be weird for someone to see a scumslip in that?In post 509, Chrimi wrote:Me forgetting this setup might have a doctor is suspicious? Oh boy.
(when I ask what the best thing to do is)In post 473, thenewearth wrote:Nah its because that post was almost either
role fishing,LAMIST post, PR controlling
All 3 points arescummy
Then today ...
But there *is* a point in a BP not claiming, it obscures things for scum.In post 515, thenewearth wrote:No point in actually hiding that fact
Hell that's the most anti-town shit you can pull especially when it reaches later days
Chrimi was that a real claim?!In post 524, Chrimi wrote:This means if you're a protective role you better save my sweet ass tonight.
OMG but what about your aaaaaaltsIn post 542, Chrimi wrote:As per my meta.In post 541, shannon wrote:Alrighty, Chrimi ISO examined. TL;DR, a few very minor things bothered me, but overall it reads town.
The slightly bothersome things:
- Deflecting the question about not voting in 57
- Overall defensive tone, defending herself more than scum hunting (but not not-hunting, just really caught up in defending)