Why are you against self hammering but ok with self voting?In post 19, Havo wrote:Oh yeah, well I won’t self hammer.
You know, goes against my win condition and all.
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In other games. I decided to search his posts on this site and found 2 games where he self voted.In post 34, numberQ wrote:When did he self vote?
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viewtopic.php?p=9826310#p9826310In post 37, Havo wrote:
Sorry, but you would have to point those out to me as I don’t remember.In post 35, Cedrick wrote:
In other games. I decided to search his posts on this site and found 2 games where he self voted.In post 34, numberQ wrote:When did he self vote?
I want to know why self voting isn’t considered playing against your win condition, only self hammering.
I would guess they were out of frustration. Wait I do remember one and it was to resolve a 1v1 where I was
Being death tunneled by a hard head. It was to show I was willing to resolve that issue for the sake of town so town could move forward. I unvoted shortly after tho. The other I don’t recall.
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I just find it is weird stance you are taking because some would say self voting is playing against your win condition. I don't know why self voting is fine but self hammering isn't
I kind of want to hammer him, so if he gets to l-1 I will do that.In post 40, numberQ wrote:Cedrick, what are your thoughts on joining the Havo wagon? Let's get to L-1 on page 2, that'd be great.
idk if i'd say that was a contradiction by lexa and idk why you felt the need to point out somebody not giving a reason. If you want one ask for it.In post 54, numberQ wrote:
Makes sense I guess. I just think we've got a fair amount of talking points already. For example, fitz caught Lexa in a contradiction and Awoo clearly thinks my behavior is self evident enough to vote me without explanation.In post 50, Havo wrote:
Either town realizes my Disclaimer isn’t A.I. and is okay with me staying in the game, thus removing their votesIn post 49, numberQ wrote:What resolution are you waiting for?
Or I get lynched. In which case if I happen to be around during twilight I’ll give my thoughts. If not then .....
C’est la vie.
Everyone who was or is on Havo's wagon: why were you or are you on Havo's wagon? None of those votes looked random, so why'd you do it? I'm on it because I wanted to form a wagon so I could ask questions like this.
Nobody has played with me before. I only dug through his meta because I wasn't able to post and I had time to kill while I was waiting for a resolution.In post 57, Lexa wrote:Has anyone played with Cedrick before? His opener of digging into Havos game history is interesting and I'm curious if anyone has seen him put in that degree of effort in a scum game in the past.-
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no I am not convinced he is scumIn post 63, numberQ wrote:Intent to hammer at L-3, beautiful. So you're convinced he's scum? Is that entirely because of the self-vote/self-hammer thing?
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if he is willing to hammer anyone who gets to l-1, he has to be willing to receive the same and so I will be happy to oblige. I am not going to vote him because I am not convinced he is scum yet.In post 71, numberQ wrote:I'm more interested in why Cedrick would hammer Havo but doesn't want to vote him.-
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Yes I’m aware of what hammering means and I already explained my reasoning a couple of posts before this one.In post 79, Awoo wrote:Cedrick, why do you want to hammer havo? You know this implies the final vote of a lynch correct?
Yes I’m aware of what hammering means and I already explained my reasoning a couple of posts before this one.In post 79, Awoo wrote:Cedrick, why do you want to hammer havo? You know this implies the final vote of a lynch correct?
You can’t really trust anyone’s claims so that wouldn’t really factor in to my decision.In post 81, Lexa wrote:I'm curious why you would be willing to proceed with a quickhammer, neglecting claims and such.
Why did you feel the need to ask him that? Does it matter if I’m an offsiter or an alt?In post 82, northsidegal wrote:what makes you call him an off-siter and not an alt?
Considering I already did before you made this post, your vote doesn’t make much sense. I suggest you read everything before casting votes.In post 86, numberQ wrote:In fact I'm gonna vote Ced, pending his explanation for the hammer-but-no-vote comment.
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I don’t think it does. He could have just made an assumption based on my join date.In post 110, northsidegal wrote:
him calling you an off-siter and not an alt implies information that the rest of us don't have – information that would likely only come from discussion in the scum private thread.In post 104, Cedrick wrote:Why did you feel the need to ask him that? Does it matter if I’m an offsiter or an alt?
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I didn’t find your mini case that convincing.In post 127, Awoo wrote:ok why is the lexa wagon getting so much momentum but my Q vote & minicase went nowhere
did I hit scum or something?In post 127, Awoo wrote:ok why is the lexa wagon getting so much momentum but my Q vote & minicase went nowhere
did I hit scum or something?
But why do you keep saying omgus? You keep saying it like it means something. Omgus isn’t scummy nor does it only come from scum. I feel you are hiding behind a buzz word. I don’t find Lexa voting you strange. If anything I find your aggression fake and scummy.In post 143, Mumble wrote:It was a post that happened an hour or so ago, and pointed out that you naked voted me after I voted you, thus pointing out the OMGUS-factor.
Lol no it isn’t. (This is about omgus being scummy)In post 154, Mumble wrote:Yes?
VOTE: mumbles
mumbles push looks bad to me and omgus isn’t scummy. Mumbles did something mildly suspicious and got voted for it and it looks like he tried to put a townie spin on it. He should have known a reasonless vote hop on somebody was going to generate that kind of reaction. Lexa’s Reaction imo is normal-
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I’ve already explained my stance. What’s not to understand?In post 178, Luca Blight wrote:but I can't really understand that stance.-
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Just want to clear up that I am actually an alt. Nobody has played with me on this account was what I meant.In post 112, Awoo wrote:no one has played with me before" implies "not an alt"-
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Let’s tackle this shall we?In post 79, Awoo wrote:Don't like his tone
- Asking a lot of unnecessary questions 34, seems like the only purpose of that is to """be town""" or show concern for the game
- 43 wtf
- What north said too
- Doesnt understand that im going to win the game 31
- 71 [talking about self voting] [Also, why are we arguing the merits of self-voting?] more useless posts why??
- 72 @Q ok what do you make of this? is it AI? because there are votes on lexa, so what do you think of that?
-74 - doing it again "look at me ive been asking those questions and analyzing" - you shouldnt have to bring this up. your ""townyness"" is being shoved in my face so much that I am forced to question your motivations!
I personally don’t see 34 as unnecessary. He’s clarifying what I’ve just said. Sure he could be trying to appear townie but he could actually be town. How can you tell the difference?
I’ll agree 43 is kind of wtf. How he can be so sure this early is strange but people do weird things sometimes.
I don’t like 71 either. I also don’t agree with it. There is never a time where a townie should vote themselves.
72 isn’t anything
74 does seem a little lamist to me.
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I wasn’t but even if I had why ask me about it?In post 185, rb wrote:Why are you defending another slot Cedrick?
The difference is I sort of think if you were town, you’d want to clarify first and by not clarifying you were attempting to just shade me.In post 187, northsidegal wrote:
what difference would it make and how does that make me scummy?In post 182, Cedrick wrote: I can see why you are suspicious of him, but I honestly don’t see anything truly lynch worthy. Tbh I’d be more suspicious of north and maybe rb. I feel like he should have attempted to find out if I was an alt or off-siter first before throwing out the conspiracy theory.
how old is your main account? this is very important.Rb seemingly agreeing with him is also suspicious. North hasn’t been on this site that long, rb has though. For us to be scum together we’d have to have had a conversation before the game started (which we don’t know is possible) and since I wasn’t allowed to post due to a site glitch, I clearly wouldn’t have been able to coordinate anything in that small window. Plus there is the small fact that I’m not scum but clearly nobody is going to take my word for it.
also, *her. "gal" is in my name!
Don’t worry about how old my main account is. It’s not your business nor is it actually important despite you thinking it is. My apologies for the gender. I’ll try and remember.
The age of my account doesn’t actually answer any pressing questions. It’s irrelevant to this game so we can move on from it.In post 195, northsidegal wrote:it answers a very pressing question
Basically I’m willing to policy lynch him in the fashion that he likes to do aka hammering without asking for a claim. I think it would hopefully teach him a lesson and if not it would have been funny as hell. Its a moot point now as the rvs pressure on him is gone.In post 220, Luca Blight wrote:I mean, you don't want to vote him as you don't scumread him, but you'd want to immediately hammer him given the chance to basically teach him a lesson, regardless of what his alignment might be?-
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I’m actually surprised you feel that way. I’ve seen way more townies act like that instead of scum. Scum try to remain calm where as townies typically act based on emotions. That seemed like an emotional reaction to me.In post 218, numberQ wrote:That's not my interpretation. I see it the exact opposite, that Lexa did something suspicious and is trying to put a townie spin on it. Particularly the poorly reasoned hop to Alex felt like scum with bad intentions.-
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It’s up to the mod and I’ve played games where I didn’t have pregame chat. Nice tryIn post 229, northsidegal wrote:You quite clearly have enough experience to know that scum get pregame chat in every game, or at the very least all normal games. I don't buy this.-
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Well your whole point is irrelevant. I guess I’ll have to find games that don’t include my main where prechat wasn’t allowed.In post 230, northsidegal wrote:not sure why people purport to know what is and isn't relevant when they don't even know what i'm talking about, but it gets me slightly, perhaps irrationally angry.-
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If she’s town I agree.In post 233, Awoo wrote:nsg i have higher expectations of you-
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So why not try to do something to sort them?In post 257, Guy_Named_Riggs wrote:
Kinda hard to expand on them when I don't know why.In post 249, Havo wrote:
Care to expand on “a couple others”?In post 227, Guy_Named_Riggs wrote:VOTE: Mumble
So far, mumble, as well as a couple others, have been rubbing me the wrong way reading their posts. Not sure on a lot of things at the moment, but this seems like a better idea than havo at the moment
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Explain your 180 on me.In post 264, rb wrote:Awoo
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Mumbles
Leaning town on Cedrick at this point, I think Mumbles is scum and I think Lexa/North are likely but still thinking. If I had to lynch in succession I'd lynch Mumbles/Lexa/North-
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170 and 176In post 267, rb wrote:What 180?
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Unfortunately effort isn’t AI. Haven’t read it yet to fact check but regardless that post she made isn’t really AI either.In post 311, havingfitz wrote:The fact she was exerting some effort.-
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Not sure you are in any position to criticize content since your iso is void of any at all. I’m busy, I’ve already provided content, and I’m preparing myself to catch-up when I’m not busy and on a computer. The only reason there were multiple posts instead of just one like I prefer to do is because I was on my phone.
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I agree with you on mumbles and Eddie. I feel like Eddie is trying the spam it up and be aggressive in order to look town and unfortunately he doesn’t look town and his reads are terrible. He’s annoying and I’m already busy enough his spam posting is going to make it harder to do that.
Mumbles/Eddie - prob scum
Zito/havo/gnr - useless POSs who aren’t providing anything of value to the game.
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It’s in my iso. As the replacement I suggest you read the game.In post 432, Eddie Cane wrote:why is mumble scum-
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so what? your post means nothing to me. I am not really a fan of meta personally and I certainly can't trust meta reads of people who I think could be scumIn post 441, Eddie Cane wrote:
so ? ^In post 408, Eddie Cane wrote:Mumble info for those who don't know him
I've played with Mumble twice. Once me S v him T; I, to quote Transcend, dominated him. Second, I subbed due to other reasons (lol hi Havo you were one of the other reasons xd), he S v me T. I don't know if this is a rule for his meta, but I do know he lurked the FUCK out of that scum game and not as much as the town game. He wasn't a beacon of activity, but he posted what I'd call "sparsely" as town and essentially prodged as scum. And, as town, I remember fighitng him as scum was the most annoying shit ever because kinda like Fitz he kept throwing completely garbage arguments and acting like he'd made some god catch off a false positive. The thing is, he got EXTREMELY emotional and angry, and it was believable. I firmly believe off of a p e r s o n a l i t y a n a l y s i s that activity and emotion will sort Mumble accurately later on, so he's off the table for now for me. This is also because I townread him so far; the comments about him I've seen ITG are best demonstrated by Zito's "a bunch of snark". IIRC, and havo or mumble (lol) can correct me if I'm remembering wrong, he did not have that same type of snark as scum at /all/. I think his dickishness and Lexa interactions are pretty likely town. At the very least, everyone voting him can fuck right off for now unless you explain why he's scum and not bad.-
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i disagree it's a dumb push and clearly others agree he is probably scum since 4 people are voting him. For me to use meta properly, i'd need multiple scum games. I'd also need to read his town games. it's day one, it isn't that pressing. If I'm wrong i'll deal with that but I see no reason to move off a viable wagon especially when the only competing wagon is somebody I town read.-
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neither of these are alignment indicative though. In fact those are more often town traits not scum traits. If she flips town, you move into the scum pool. Your progression doesn't seem genuine to me.In post 451, havingfitz wrote:I think she’s coming across as overly defensive and unnecessarily emotional-
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disagreeIn post 459, Eddie Cane wrote:lexa is an awesome wagon-
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yes that is certainly one way to play, I have kind of been waiting to see what mumbles was going to do. Mumbles kind of got aggressive when lexa voted him calling it omgus and such, but now when mumbles has multiple votes on him i don't see the same level of aggression. At least if he would have come back and replicated that, I could buy that maybe it is his playstyle. I also feel we are far enough in the day that I have developed some decent reads that don't really require me to vote them.In post 464, Eddie Cane wrote:but what makes none of the other 10 people viable wagons? it's day 1, the point is to fling shit around until you get stuff you're confident in. If you are confident in mumble (I'm not confident enough in town him to flat out shut that down), fine, if he reveals as ic who's scum?
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I didn't think you had a good reason to even scum read her
your "pause" looked fake to me, like you wanted to appear town trying to reconsider. It looked fake cause your reason for it wasn't very good
Your hop back on looks opportunistic because how we have somebody pushing harder for her lynch, and since your reasons for scum reading her and for giving her "pause" cancel each other out, you are basically back on it for things that I personally have seen town do more often then scum.
I am also not really a fan of that whole iso thing you did because I don't really feel that is an effective way of scum hunting because they just show you not liking posts, they don't really include good analysis as to why those posts make them scum, doesn't show where the scum intent is.-
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Let's get something straight. Just because you voted her first, doesn't mean you started the wagon.
Post 62 I tell somebody else that the contradiction you supposedly found wasn't really a contradiction. I didn't dwell on it though cause that definitely isn't lynch worthy and I never would dream somebody would actually use that as a reason to scum read somebody.
I can't believe you actually asked me how somebody can fake a pause. That is super easy. Unvote for some lame reason making it look like you are actually reconsidering, re-vote later for the same or more poor reasons, especially if the wagon seems to be growing or increasing in popularity.
TADA. you have just faked a pause.
I mean your pause could have been legit, but I don't really feel it was but I concede I could be wrong. only time will tell.
I used the term hop in 179 and 471. For me, To hop means to jump. in terms of mafia, It's voting somebody, especially somebody who already has votes for poor or lack of reasons. Opportunistic votes are votes I would classify as a hop. I feel like both of my usese are spot on.
I have seen scum do things lexa has done, but I have seen town do it way more. This makes it null because there is no real scum intent behind it. Being defensive and emotional is more of a personal playstyle. there are players on site who are very emotional and defensive when under pressure, they do it as both town and scum. If you want to make a case that lex is only emotional and defensive as scum I will gladly listen to that. Go find me examples and I will reconsider my stance on that issue but until you do that, it remains null.
"so you are telling me there is a chance" is weak. if you are town I definitely expect more/better from you, That is basically are saying you are flipping a coin on her alignment.
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Yes because I have no interest in going back and forth with a scum read. He’s going to try and spin his actions to look townie and I’m not going to believe him.In post 503, Eddie Cane wrote:thats all you have to say to fitz's stuff?
And yes I feel once we determine who of these 2 is town, it makes it clear who is scum and helps narrow down the people on the wagon. Unfortunately we don’t know. It’s possible both are town or as somebody said both are scum-
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That’s a stupid post and imo proves you are just conf.biased or scum.
The right play is to not lynch either and let night actions resolve.
It’s completely possible for Lexa to be town and think mumbles is lying. I have played games where somebody claimed a role that I felt didn’t belong with my role.
If anything doctor is the smarter fake claim. Nobody wants to lynch the doctor day 1. Watcher is a useless role most of the time.
Neither played how I’d expect a PR to play and both claims were done in a terrible manner. You can’t say with certainty that one is legit over the other without bias of your exsisting reads.
You believe mumbles but thought he was town
I believe Lexa but thought he was town.
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Finally you say something I agree withIn post 529, Papa Zito wrote:My issue with both claims is they were done at L-2 with no players expressing intent to move to either wagon, forget about hammering, so the timing for both just makes no sense. It makes it hard for me to read either claim as "genuine" when they were completely unnecessary you know?-
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Really? You don’t think it’s possible at all for Lexa to be town and think that both can’t exsist as town?In post 532, havingfitz wrote:
Has more reason to be made than the LoLexa claim.In post 531, Papa Zito wrote:I missed that I suppose. Even so without the vote cast and without someone declaring intent it's premature.-
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We aren’t lynching pr claims today.In post 540, havingfitz wrote:Lol...Lexa votes please.-
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You keep saying or implying it but I haven’t done anything scummy. If anything you are the one who’s been scummy.In post 546, Papa Zito wrote:I think Cedrick is p scummy independent of anyone else.
What is wrong with people? Is everyone seriously considering lynching a Pr claim day 1?
That’s insane. Why are we making mafia’s job easier?
It’s possible both claims are legit
It’s possible no claims are legit
It’s possible one claim is legit.
Based on what’s available to us, nobody can say with certainty who is legit or not.
I’d rather sacrifice myself to prevent stupidity happening-
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Yes it’s stupid. You are getting hung up on semantics. It’s completely reasonable for Lexa to think mumbles claim is fake. It’s completely reasonable to think that a doctor and watcher can’t be in the game together. You hanging your hat on semantics makes it a stupid post.In post 557, havingfitz wrote:What is stupid about my post? Because I point out there is no way Lexa can KNOW Mumble is lying...that's stupid?
I’m not going to argue with you on the rest of your points. From my POV you are scum or are a detriment to town by pushing a pr lynch day 1.
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Yes it is.In post 560, Papa Zito wrote:
It is? Help me out here. Use small words, I'm an idiot.In post 559, Cedrick wrote:It’s completely reasonable to think that a doctor and watcher can’t be in the game together.
it is completely reasonable to think that a doctor and watcher can’t be in the game together.
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Any argument that supports lynching a Pr claim day 1 is shit logic.In post 563, havingfitz wrote:Cedrick...just ignore the points you can't tapdance out of and give shit logic in the answers you do deem reply worthy.
Mmmkay?
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