Mafia of Revelations ~ Game Over!

[Starbuck]

Because it has been too damn fucking long

VOTE: xRECKONERx

[Starbuck]

I already see a few I will have on auto ignore.

Wait, is this a thing?

[Starbuck]

I already see a few I will have on auto ignore.

Wait, is this a thing?

It is for me!

No, I mean like a site feature?

[Starbuck]

<-- is freaking adorable

[Starbuck]

Since most of you are freaking old btw, did you guys see that Hyde from that 70s show got arrested for raping 3 women?

Time's Up!

[Starbuck]

Ok, as the young blood, I recently came back to MS and there is a TON of new lingo that I'm totally lost on. I mean, I think I get the gist, but having like some for real breakdown would be great.

Can you give me some insight?

[Starbuck]

Do you have any specific terms in mind? I can't recall any which are too recent.
Also, mafia specific, right?

No, I know abbreviations (I'm actually listed in the official MS one on the Wiki). I'm talking like game specific terms like I know sheeping and pocketing, but wolfing/open wolfing is kinda new to me. I know there's another new term or two that I've seen that I'm not sure of.

I also don't like farside and Starbuck pushing the "I'm cute" thing.

My one post about it is pushing? That's a stretch and a weird one at that. In any case, I was just stating a fact.

Spoiler: Because I am

https://www.instagram.com/p/B1R8IKkh8hC ... _copy_link

[Starbuck]

The best scum find perfectly logical reasons to lynch town.

+1

[Starbuck]

When you called yourself adorable you don't think that could be taken as wanting to be in the cute alliance? What was the purpose in that post then? Just completely random?

I mean, I couldn't care either way. Everyone's version of cute/hot/attractive is different. If it were up to me, the whole player list would be in the cute alliance because we're all so gosh darn adorable. In any case, I think you took a flippant comment and made it serious for no real reason.

[Starbuck]

But I even gave you my reason

Could I not just want to be confident in myself and share my cuteness, too? Or is that a crime? Like I don't get your angle, dude.

[Starbuck]

I'm not feeling attacked, though. You're making a mountain out of a mole hill.

[Starbuck]

But I even gave you my reason

Could I not just want to be confident in myself and share my cuteness, too? Or is that a crime? Like I don't get your angle, dude.

This pings me as too worried about something pretty silly. Do you really feel unfairly judged by the cutemob speculation game?

No, to be honest, this has been me through the entire exchange



I feel like KMD didn't even look at the pic of me in my awesomely blue corset and I'm definitely more upset about that.

[Starbuck]

Okay, Noob-ish players, tell me about you!

What brought you to MS?
What's been your favorite *finished* game that you played so far?
What's your favorite role and why?
Who are your top 3 to 5 favorite Scummers and why?

[Starbuck]

Kmd less scummy, reck a bit more.

How so? What's your train of thought here?

[Starbuck]

@marble: v interested why i'm scummy off 5 RVS joke posts

Me too. It's sort of a PoE "one of the players I'll have difficulty reading will probably be scum so I shouldn't have them all as high on the list as I do; Reck fits reasonably well as the scum from those"

Interesting how you answered him, but not my question asking you to expand on your thoughts.

[Starbuck]

Porkens, always a bridesmaid, never a bride?

[Starbuck]

Quite a few pages on the overnight. Catching up in a bit!

[Starbuck]

is this aimed at me

It's aimed at everyone that I don't really know. I mean, hell, folks that I haven't chatted with in ages could do it, too, if they felt like it.

Random thought I don't get why anyone likes to be a VT.

I have looked at so many of my role PMs and just sighed upon reading that I'm in yet another VT slot. On one side, it's like okay, I don't have to give a single fuck, but on the other, things are so boring. It's kind of why I always enjoyed the all powered games on the View Askew Board back in the day.

don't know how to respond to this sort of criticism. Is there something that seems insincere about it? Sure i couuuld be playing a gimmick so i don't have to pretend to scumhunt or so i can "avoid scrutiny", but also i could just as easily try to fake a bunch of reads and put on my towniest face if i were scum

is there a specific reason you think that's what's happening here?

pedit: your intutition is off then !

one of the lamentable things about intuition is converting those subconscious rumblings into words. here's an attempt:

opening games tend to fragment into themes - jokers/questionnairers/wagoners etc. alliance crafting/cuteness riffing seemed like the dominant theme on page 1. i expect that scum upon observing the main narrative, tend to play along with it, as its the safest entry into the game. the continued adherence to the established running joke being an exercise in avoidance. a shield, if you will.

i really like this post. a lot.

SAME

not scum together but this call and response isn't great for either

tbh i'd be fine with just lynching from this pool of people who want to talk about themselves

then only starbuck gets suspicion points

Why?

@starbuck: what are you hoping to gain asking people a bunch of non game related questions

To GTKAS the folks that I don't really know. This is an Invitational and I'd like to know why some of these players were chosen over others folks that I've seen on site since I've been back. On top of that, a little vulnerability goes a long way with me and I expect those who may be town-aligned to be more forthright than those who may not be.



Morning Tweet! Is that a bat in your avatar? Because OMG.

[Starbuck]

exciting times. i must say, what a treat for mafia enthusiasts watching along witnessing such a high level of play

I am VP Baltar, and this...is my Masterclass.

I giggled way too hard because all I pictured was:

also pointed out that Starbuck interaction as a "bad look" - what's the association, here, again? And besides, why do Starbuck's RQS and my answer look bad? Is it the mere fact that we're making conversation that's "not game relevant"?

I'm looking forward to an answer to this.

I don't like the green crayon votes so I'll jump on the counter wagon.

What about them in particular?

Explain to me gc vs iamuser

and use quotes

Yeah, I need this, but just about IAUN.

[Starbuck]

Starbuck's call for discussions not related to finding scum generates activity that doesn't help find scum. Suspicious.

Your decision to take up that discussion not related to finding scum generated activity that didn't help find scum. Suspicious.

Except the second half of that suspicion got shot when I realized that all the "new" people were responding. So only Starbuck gets suspicion points.

You shouldn't assume things. You assumed what you thought I was trying to do and have been building a case on me about it without even asking me the why or backing it up with a vote. So why not ask me to explain like Reck did, rather than continue on the fruitless pursuit? Why are you so hellbent on not interacting with me and having a conversation, rather than throw shade?

[Starbuck]

Also, KMD, I see your response to Reck above. No need to repeat yourself.

[Starbuck]

IAUN has dos posts

To be fair, UT has 4 and AGar has 5.

I don't care for policy lynches. I may have back in the day, but not so much now. Too many scum can hide in that and to push a policy doesn't really come off as pro-town.

[Starbuck]

Starbuck's call for discussions not related to finding scum generates activity that doesn't help find scum. Suspicious.

Your decision to take up that discussion not related to finding scum generated activity that didn't help find scum. Suspicious.

Except the second half of that suspicion got shot when I realized that all the "new" people were responding. So only Starbuck gets suspicion points.

You shouldn't assume things. You assumed what you thought I was trying to do and have been building a case on me about it without even asking me the why or backing it up with a vote. So why not ask me to explain like Reck did, rather than continue on the fruitless pursuit? Why are you so hellbent on not interacting with me and having a conversation, rather than throw shade?

Your exaggerated windup to a GC vote is pretty blatant.

- "building a case" was me noting an early D1 suspicion, that auro asked me to restate and explain. a suspicion I'm so won over by that Llama criticized me for *not* voting you over it.

- "why not ask me to explain like Reck did" --> lol why would I repeat Reck's question?

- "Why are you so hellbent on not interacting with me and having a conversation, rather than throw shade? --> there's nothing to have a conversation over. You created an empty calorie discussion point. It makes you look busy without contributing to scum hunting. That's worthy of suspicion, minor as it might be, and I voiced it.

But, really? "hellbent" "throw shade"

My goodness we're sensitive to the slightest suspicion. VOTE: Starbuck

Whoa. Are you serious? I was just asking you to talk to me and not about me. Why are you going from 0 to 60 here? I'm trying to figure out where your head is at.

You didn't have to repeat Reck's question, but you could have waited for me to respond or quote him and say "I'm interested in this answer, too." You just weren't interested. You made up your mind without actually talking to me. That's lame AF and not scumhunting at all. That's just jumping to conclusions.

I didn't create any sort of "empty calorie" discussion. The fact that you are assuming my motives without talking to me makes you look like an ass, not me.

You are hellbent. You have been continually bringing me up and not committing to a vote until I called you out on it.

I'm not sensitive, but I don't appreciate being talked about like I'm not in the room.

[Starbuck]

Spoiler: Questionnaire Answers

Wouldn't really call myself a noob, lol, but:

1. Played Mafia IRL at college, googled online, came here.
2. I honestly like most games I play - but perhaps the most entertaining one was one where I was a jester among two others (and both town and mafia would lose if all the jesters got out, and we don't know each other) and we all managed to get lynched to a perfect win.
3. Vanilla Town, it perfectly suits my dayplay style: I don't need to worry about "surviving" and I don't need the overhead of who to target.
4. I have way too many at this point one name you guys may recognize would be Thor

Okay, Noob-ish players, tell me about you!

What brought you to MS?
What's been your favorite *finished* game that you played so far?
What's your favorite role and why?
Who are your top 3 to 5 favorite Scummers and why?

1. i love playing mafia but i'm too timid IRL to find people and none of my friends play it
2. I have a bunch actually-- I really liked Jigsaw Mafia for the flavour and mechanics, and there are many games i just enjoy because i met a lot of cool ppl in them. If i had to pick my most favourite so far, it'd be this one cause im usually not overly proud of my play but i thought i did pretty good that time around. The payoff at the end was really great for the amount of effort i put into it
3. Vanilla Townie cause you haven't got a care in the world and don't need to alter your play in any way
4. there are so many ppl i like on here but i've mostly met newer players so far. i can say ABR and I have been thru a lot together though ^ω^

Okay, Noob-ish players, tell me about you!

What brought you to MS?
What's been your favorite *finished* game that you played so far?
What's your favorite role and why?
Who are your top 3 to 5 favorite Scummers and why?

is this aimed at me

1. 10+ years ago or whenever it was you guys were the biggest mafia forum out there
2. on this account? i guess the one with vpb and blair
3. scum, it's fun to lie
4. kuribo, thor, and meme, because any game they're in is fun to read

Out of the above, the only one that I'm sad to not see an answer from is Blair because I don't really remember them. I appreciate y'all answering me even if it's considered an "empty calorie" discussion by some. With "noob-ish," I meant new-to-me players, I was typing on my phone and shorthanded it.

In any case, I like to see who is actually willing to be vulnerable and share some insight to themselves and their game play, especially if I don't know you at all. I can go read up a bit and get a better feel for playstyle if I haven't played with you before.


Here's my answers:

1. I started playing on the View Askew Board where each game day was one actual day and you really have to devote like a straight week or two to game play. I was curious if there were other forums that played mafia, did a Google search, and here I was.

2. I loved the series of all-powers games that Tarhalindur and StrangerCoug used to do. On the VA Board, I think my favorite was the Avengers Assemble game where I ended up being an Independent Thanos having to look for gems like 5 years before he was introduced on screen.

3. I have a love/hate relationship with being a VT just because I roll it so often. I prefer third party roles or multiple affiliation games.

4. Everyone in my signature and so many in this game right now.

[Starbuck]

I didn't create any sort of "empty calorie" discussion. The fact that you are assuming my motives without talking to me makes you look like an ass, not me.

not sure how you could see this as a personal sleight (that I'm somehow calling you an ass?), so inclined to think this is manufactured

It's a play on "assume."

[Starbuck]

UNVOTE: xRECKONERx
VOTE: Blair

I'm still not liking that policy push.

[Starbuck]

UNVOTE: xRECKONERx
VOTE: Blair

I'm still not liking that policy push.

Sorry, which policy push from Blair? The game is a bit of a haze.

The whole thing about voting IAUN for only having 2 posts, but simultaneously ignoring UT and AGar. All 3 have less posts than the mod, but it's still early Day 1-ish, so I don't get it.

[Starbuck]

UNVOTE: xRECKONERx
VOTE: Blair

I'm still not liking that policy push.

My vote on IIAU is pretty clearly not a policy push. You have me confused with someone else.

How is Post 338 not policy?

[Starbuck]

Vote the people not contributing until they contribute or die, idk, seems pretty okay to me

It's also a great thing for scum to hide behind. I just don't like it.

[Starbuck]

The whole thing about voting IAUN for only having 2 posts, but simultaneously ignoring UT and AGar. All 3 have less posts than the mod, but it's still early Day 1-ish, so I don't get it.

can you quote blair making this accusation

Post 338. Like I said above. She just straight quoted Porkens. I took that as agreement despite what she said earlier and the requoted reasoning. I see her explanation just above in the pedit, so that makes more sense now.

Reading through her ISO, though, I'm bothered by the posts when Reck or Llamarble voted for someone other than IAUN and her telling them they were voting for the wrong person. I just don't think that adds to discussion. You aren't going to shame people onto the wagon that you want to see happen.

I see similarities between the way that she's approaching IAUN with how GC is approaching me. Just talking about someone without talking to the actual person, especially after only 2 posts in the game. She didn't ask IAUN to explain themselves, she just made an assumption and went with it. What happened to actually investigating and talking to those you suspect?

[Starbuck]

her outrage at any suggestion that this might not be the most useful thing to be doing doesn't feel forced.

Outrage is a strong word. Like there's a lot of harsh adjectives being used concerning me and that's not how I feel at all.

[Starbuck]

Starbuck, do you find GC scummy or just irritating?

Irritating. Hence, no vote.

[Starbuck]

why is "making an assumption" about IAUN scummy in this case? if you were blair and made posts 244 and 245 wouldn't it be weirder to cast shade and not vote than vote?

I just think assumptions aren't a good premise for scumhunting. It may be a playstyle difference. I feel it's more town to ask someone to elaborate than to just put words in their mouth and cause a ruckus when your concerns could be addressed fairly easily if you ask. Accompany those questions with a vote, absolutely, but the lack of questions is more concerning to me than the vote itself.

[Starbuck]

What's your read on me, Starbuck?

I'm leaning town-ish. I appreciated you running through a list of abbreviations like you thought I was nearing like 55, rather than just turning 35 (it made me laugh). You seem pretty bright and bubbly and I dig that, as so many games can get downright harsh and mean. I also appreciated that you didn't hold back from answering my RQS, regardless of how others are now twisting it to be a "call and response." That felt genuine like you were actually excited that someone asked.

I guess the only thing that kinda bothers me is that you seeming to be flooding the thread way more than the 16 other people that you're playing with. That could just be you as a person, though, but I feel like I'm lost in some of the discussions because the pages are flying by real fast and I'll have to go back to do some re-reading and ISOs to get a better feel on a good chunk of folks.

[Starbuck]

but your vote on blair didn't come with any questions either

This is true. My RVS vote on Reck was stale and it was time to switch it up. Does that make me hypocritical? I probably should have just FOS'd, tbh.

Reading Blair in ISO shortly after, though, actually confirmed for me that my vote is where it should be right now, so I'm pretty ok with that.

[Starbuck]

You know for someone accusing me of not reading, I don't think you've read what I've posted recently either.

[Starbuck]

I just see you OMGUS-ing.

[Starbuck]

I pretty carefully laid out what I thought you were doing and why I thought you were doing it.

Again, assumptions are dumb. I'm here and reading. I might have mistaken your case on IAUN as policy (as pages are flying by rather quickly), but I saw your explanation when I wrote out a post about it earlier and said as such. You either have seemingly ignored that or missed it.

[Starbuck]

Again, going full bore on someone after 2 posts in the game isn't a good look. Nor is your severe overreaction here. My vote did what I wanted it to do. So thanks.

[Starbuck]

but your vote on blair didn't come with any questions either

This is true. My RVS vote on Reck was stale and it was time to switch it up. Does that make me hypocritical? I probably should have just FOS'd, tbh.

Reading Blair in ISO shortly after, though, actually confirmed for me that my vote is where it should be right now, so I'm pretty ok with that.

Summarize your scumread based on her iso please.

Post 401

but your vote on blair didn't come with any questions either

This is true. My RVS vote on Reck was stale and it was time to switch it up. Does that make me hypocritical? I probably should have just FOS'd, tbh.

Reading Blair in ISO shortly after, though, actually confirmed for me that my vote is where it should be right now, so I'm pretty ok with that.

all right, looking at your back and forth with blair, i think you're being inconsistent, but inconsistent in a town way

definitely don't argree that going "full bore" on someone with two posts is a bad thing, isn't driving a wagon a good way to get more out of someone?

I think it's too easy to go after the quiet ones. I feel like it's an excuse for her not to interact with anyone else. It sucks that they're lurking or maybe with this game starting at 9 pm on a Sunday (for me) that they might be working and such. It's only Tuesday. That's what I think about anyways.

[Starbuck]

You acknowledged that you were wrong then immediately doubled down on your read anyway.

I was wrong about the policy side of things and I admitted it. I can admit when I'm wrong.

However, I doubled down because I saw quite a few things I didn't like once I went to your ISO, which is why I haven't moved my vote.

Your reactions are less than stellar and definitely not giving me reason to move right now.

[Starbuck]

i don't mean this in a rude way. would you call yourself a stubborn person? or more light-hearted? i just want to get a picture of how to read you right

I feel I'm more lighthearted, but any interaction with me seems to be taken much more seriously than I intend when I'm just responding. Words like her "outrage" or folks assuming that I feel attacked feel so out of place because I'm not feeling that way. I'm trying to figure out where heads are at or why they think that of me as town, or if they really are scum and are just trying to push a mislynch. I just don't get the hostility behind it.

I don't know if folks are pushing buttons on purpose because I'll admit when I was here ages ago, I was probably more of a toxic player sometimes and I don't want to be that. I just want to play the game and enjoy because at the end of the day, it's just a game. If I die, I die. I'll make mistakes. I'll misread shit sometimes. Welcome to mafia!

[Starbuck]

Starbuck is scum, this is the lynch, this is not only a temporary RVS wagon

Cool, bring it on.

[Starbuck]

Honestly, it's been awhile since I was a Day 1 mislynch. I'll take it.

[Starbuck]

Blair is confounding me with the extreme overreaction where she completely dropped the IAUN lynch and is now full focused onto me. I can't tell if this is a town or scum overreaction, as she is just straight coming for my throat.

Those of you who are more familiar with Blair, is this a town or scum reaction from Blair?

[Starbuck]

Starbuck is always scummy in my experience. I think you guys are getting a false positive.

SOMEONE WHO KNOWS MY TELL. THANK GOD.

[Starbuck]

@Mod: Is that your dog? That doggo is cuter than all of the players in this game put together. OMG

[Starbuck]

Because directly after a post from Starbuck asking to explain the IAAUN wagon, you dropped the Porkens quote devoid of any context. How Starbuck read it is how I read it, as well. It really wasn't hard to get to that point. Not sure how this is something you can't fathom.

I'm so glad that I'm not the only one.

[Starbuck]

What am I missing when it comes to Auro?

[Starbuck]

I guess I'll ask - Starbuck what do you mean about 'knowing your tell'

I've gotten lynched more on this site for "being scum" as town than anything else. Seriously. It is what it is. I resigned to it years ago.

[Starbuck]

I thought I was going to get through catching up tonight, but I'm falling asleep. I'll do some catching up tomorrow.

What am I missing when it comes to Auro?

I get that it's easy to miss; he's playing fairly well in terms of not dropping obvious-scumbag-moments.
But you can start with 'not trying hard enough to find scum.'

Thank you. It probably hasn't helped that my attention has been elsewhere through a lot of it.

I'm assuming she read the ISO to clarify her understanding and came across those posts at that time.

Yeah, that was basically it. If Blair had slowed her roll just a little, there may not have been such a big blowup of a misunderstanding. Although, the severe overreaction to one vote blew my mind a bit.

[Starbuck]

Also, if the pages could stop exploding that'd be helpful.

/sleep

[Starbuck]

Weird few days and there's no way I can do this catch up on my phone, but I'll have some content by tomorrow evening.

[Starbuck]

Seriously, weird past few days on the personal side. Apologies for my absence. Go Go Gadget Super Mega Catch Up, Post 1! Mid-to-End of Page 20 to End of Page 25.


I saw it the other day and meant to comment on it, but I didn't care for Auro's over-the-top OMGUS on farside in 497. That, alongside Llamamarble's response to me in 496, concerning what I was missing in regards to Auro is quite ironic, to say the least.

Anyways.....

I don't think I said anything earlier, but I'll say it now AGar's 507 is the perfect summation of the Blair/me thing and I appreciate Llamamarble's addendum regarding my 401 just after. I don't think I would have been as eloquent. So thanks. Ohhhh and I appreciate Reck's 539, too.

There you go. And no, that type of observation about VP Baltar is not inferable from current play.

You will not like any vote of mine - either it will be a difficult read and thus comfortable, or an easy read who you find towny, or an "easy read that's scummy" (to you) that's, again, comfortable for me.

See: you're fitting my play to a scum agenda, without actually solving my play. You're adding the "what would I do" lens to every action of mine.

I do not like this post one bit. You're putting words in Llamamarble's mouth and making way over the top assumptions. I'm reading a lot of ego and there's a sense of being too sure. Yeah, don't like.

I don't believe Starbuck's plan was to lynch me. I believe Starbuck plucked something out of context that she felt she could plausibly scumread to push a vanity wagon.

Yeah, your continual misrepresentation of my intentions and actions, and your heightened volatility, has actually made my vote (even while being mistaken at first) absolutely worth it.

Have you contributed about anything else going on in the thread besides this back and forth? I bet your ISO is still as abysmal as when I looked at it earlier.

As in "I feel like I need to go post something soon so I don't look like I'm lurking. Ooh, this looks bad, let's vote here" when town would at least take the time to scroll up and read my vote post first to check their theory against it.

But I wasn't lurking and I just misinterpreted because you quoted directly underneath me about username having 2 posts from Porkens. I can't even count how many times that you've misrepresented me over this now.

I've made mistakes as town all the time. This isn't the first and certainly won't be the last. The fact that you think town could only act one specific way, because you're trying to drive home a point about me, just shows that you're grasping at straws here.

I do not believe that town!Starbuck would vote me for that without scrolling up to look for my vote post first, though. I mean, this is really key here: If she only read my naked quote, how did she even have the proper context to know I was voting for or pushing IAAU in the first place?

I had literally asked in a post just above about the username wagon and then you quoted Porkens in the very next post. Like I don't know why you're being so obstinate about this, especially when other players have also said they read it the same as I did. Don't drop a quote without context when you have 16 other people having conversations and contributing, as well.

I do not believe that town!Starbuck would vote me for that without scrolling up to look for my vote post first, though. I mean, this is really key here: If she only read my naked quote, how did she even have the proper context to know I was voting for or pushing IAAU in the first place?

How many town have you known to actually scroll up and read everything to gain the total truth of context, though, Blair?

That naked quote, plus the fact that it is often common for town to push someone with 2 posts provides more than enough context already. I doubt anyone actually doubts such a conclusion given the existing context fits perfectly. Yes, she had an inaccurate context read - but it was still a valid one.

I appreciate this, Llamamarble's 573, Reck's contribution, and VPB's 623. I'm rusty AF, y'all, but I'm glad I'm not the only lazy fuck who doesn't scroll up.


Now onto some of the VPB explanations.....I'm going to need to go through his ISO after my catch up and get a feel.

Also the ABR/Reck penis measuring contest on Page 25 takes me back.

[Starbuck]

I tend to get scum read a lot as either alignment. I think it's my face.

[Starbuck]

Catch Up #2, Electric Boogaloo. I know y'all missed my condensed catch-ups. Page 26 to 28 (that got long fast.....that's what she/he/they said?)

My previous post was already too long, but some stuff from VPB's wagon analysis

Back in the day when I played with ABR, we didn't really have a name for his style. Nowadays, I would probably call it Trumping.

I full-on laughed out loud at this.

Now is when things start to get more interesting. Auro's vote and then quick abandonment is a HUGE scumtell. I was a mildly up and coming wagon and he saw that as he was facing pressure. His reason for voting me was "gut" townread on Green Crayons, whose wagon happened to be waning. I took time to give him an opportunity to explain something I was missing there, but clearly my initial twinge was right, hence the vote. That much should have been quite obvious to anyone mildly looking at that interaction (an important point later when we get to the squad saying 'VPB hasn't done anything town yet this game!' ~ which is completely "give me a break" territory given the folks saying it.)

Auro has such a long ISO already, can you point me to some applicable posts, please?

pedit/ Probably one of the strongest things i've felt so far is that Blair feels like she's attacking Starbuck way too hard. It feels a tad fake. But also i don't exactly see why she tunnels that hard as scum, it's not making her look good imo

i agree with this. at a certain point, it has started to look like blair is simply using her starbuck-gotcha-moment as a device to avoid participating in other conversation threads.

I was feeling this as I was going through 20-25, but glad some of y'all called this out in the moment. It's quite hypocritical given that one of her points about me is that I was lurking scum looking for something to do.

Also, I left off Morning Tweet in my previous catch up, but I appreciated her input, too.

auro? - i keep flip-flopping on this one, and feel i am relying on others' experiences to get insight into how he actually behaves as either alignment (something i don't like doing). it's clear he operates on a different frequency, so i'm unsure how i'm supposed to be reading him and what tells apply to him given he's expressed ability and desire to deliberately subvert some. at the moment, i'm defaulting the group wisdom on him and won't resist his lynch if the town deems him worthy. but personally, i'd rather get a good secondary wagon going on someone in my lynchpool until i figure him out.

This is where I'm stuck, too. I was initially reading him towards the town side of things, then it flipped more null to scum, then back towards town, and back scummy again. It's weird.

to be honest, im not really a puppy

good post-content to post-number synchronicity

I am stunned that anyone is scumreading me for pushing Starbuck too hard, because I've been waiting for someone to scumread me for not pushing her hard enough any moment now.

Oh well.

I'm not. It's all you've talked about.

Oh finally, as I read further, you're engaging in the game rather than the tunnel.

What I do think is important about the ABR vote is that it comes right after I point out he has a useless vote camped on Blair.

Blair and VP Baltar cross defense should be noted by everyone. One is likely using the other to further their mafia wincon.

This is a good point.

to be honest,

uh oh

ok legit before you quoted this i was going to call it out bc honestly CLAP has been pinging me as weird for a hot minute now and i havent been able to put my thumb on it

note to self to do an iso dive and figure out what posts left that stink in my brain

That's another ISO that I need to look at. I'm looking forward to your analysis.


Something interesting for me on Page 28. Both Blair and GC jump from my wagon to UT's, rather than the two top competing wagons. I don't know if it says anything or it's a weird coincidence, but I just felt like it needed noting.

[Starbuck]

Catch-up #3, You're hot and you're cold, you're yes and you're no. Page 29 - top of 32.

VP is town and Auro is confusing.

VOTE: Untrod Tripod

what a shock, you voted the person who called you scum

Welcome to the club, UT! Can I get you a mimosa?

2. Someone attacked MT for posting elsewhere - please keep in mind that some of us are actively making efforts to post lesser. I've been called out for spam already, and I decided I wouldn't make the game unpleasant for you folk by appearing everywhere.

This feels a bit overdefensive.


I need to keep ABR's 716 in mind when I go back for the deep dive on VPB.

I think Auro is confusing people because he's scum playing pretty well.
He kept his vote movement from being too simple, gave reads and reasons and introspection, showed a bit of cheekiness.
The thing that's missing is the underlying attempt to actually figure out the game or signs of caring about directing the lynch toward scum.
And for his defensive methods, there is too much focus on 'your logic is bad or not presented.'

At this point, and even on the current page that this will post on, he's still voting farside, right?

It is somewhat annoying that whatever reads I do post get dismissed and discredited and then I'm branded as not putting in effort but that's fine.

That may or may not be a side effect of how much this thread seems to be The Auro Show, as quite a lot of your input just seems to be as a means of being over the top active.

also why is there a UT wagon? blair jumped on because albert said UT was an option. the only time i can find albert talking about UT is calling a vote UT made good. GC is voting UT because of some vague suspicions (see 381). actually, vpb is the only poster i've found so far expressing significant doubts about UT, and he's not even on the wagon. i think this wagon looks a little weird and am not sure what to make of it

Good. I was hoping someone caught this in the moment.

i have narrowed my pool of acceptable lynches to VP Baltar and Can'tLynchAPuppy.

Tell me why......ain't nothing but a heartache.


Liking UT's 775.

town players don't play optimally.

+1

Not liking Auro's 779 initially. Noting to go back and re-read it in full.

fuck all y’all for fucking 5+ pages exploding overnight.

A complaint about 5 pages... cute.

And when folks are saying that you're blowing up the thread, fluffposting, and not adding much, this is a great example. Are you trying to shade AGar here? Or just being condescending for no apparent reason? It doesn't come off well when you're one of the main reasons why some of us are so far behind.

For me, I typically will go ahead and post when I'm behind just so have an endpoint or something to work towards to have in my own ISO, as well.

[Starbuck]

It really shows how clear Blair was about why she had voted iamausername and how it was other people, not her, who cared about iamausername having just two posts. I kinda scratched my head when Starbuck called that vote policy, but seeing it right there in one place like that really

shows how badly Starbuck misrepped Blair.

Wait, what? We were all posting in real-time when that happened. It wasn't something after the fact. I misread and misunderstood, sure, but had she not gone 0-60 so fucking fast that wouldn't have blown up the way it did. All she would have had to do was look back and go "oh shit, that quote from Porkens ended up right under SB's post." There were misunderstandings all the way around there, dude. Not just with me.

Literally, her explanation in 398 came as I was writing 401 and I referenced the pedit in 401. That should have squared it away. Instead, she kept right on truckin.

Starbuck, how did that post confirm for you that you should be voting Blair? Where do you see scum motivation in the way she explained her position?

You crossed it out, I'm answering anyways. It felt like a policy push in the real-time moment. So I thought I'd pop a vote on her to see how she reacted, which was quite badly, regardless of my misunderstanding. As I was going through her ISO to understand where my misunderstanding came from and formulate 401, the pedit came in as I previewed and I realized that I had misunderstood and said as such:

Post 338. Like I said above. She just straight quoted Porkens. I took that as agreement despite what she said earlier and the requoted reasoning.

I see her explanation just above in the pedit, so that makes more sense now.

That, right there, should have been the end of the misunderstanding related talk. I kept my vote because what I read in her ISO (after voting, unfortunately) and her over-the-top reaction (even after I confirmed misunderstanding) solidified keeping the pressure there.

I'm a little confused why so few people have talked about Starbuck much less voted there. Between the reactions to myself and green crayons voting her, the misrep of Blair and discrediting of the iamausername votes based on post count, and this OMGUS accusation, I just don't see how anyone has a town read on Starbuck or doesn't find her posting notable.

Because other folks, besides me, had the same misunderstanding in regards to how those posts fell and they can understand why I thought it was policy in the real-time moment of those posts popping up.


A good chunk of our fellow long-time players could see it for what it is. I'm surprised you can't.

[Starbuck]

Catch up #4 - Are we fucking done yet? Page mid-32 to 34.

This describes perfectly how i feel about auro. I see him asking players about a few people but i don't see anything that looks like an attempt to figure out those he finds scummy.

+1

Funny enough I don't see auro as town doing this. Hes usually more inquisitive and can be quiet rational. So until I see that player in the game my scum read on him stays. I think his push on me is basically omgus.

It's not basically. It is OMGUS.

You haven't pushed anyone so laziness should not be a factor.

135 posts and counting at this point in my catch up, too.

Hell an attempt to put together a bunch of quote and calling a player some was the biggest thing you did in Animal Upick and you can barely do that without shit posting.

And he can go take the time to put together some quotes from a finished game, but not have a single case here. It's so weird.


I like hoopla's 801.

I don't like that the wagon is rooted in ABR's desire to look like he's the one in charge of the town and the rah-rah bullshit that follows and IAAUN's straight desire to counter the Auro wagon.

The 2 lynches I helped engineer are Auro and VP Baltar, sir. Either way this goes, I am the driving force in this game.

Do you have a mute button?

Does your pointless ego ever run out of battery?

I lol'd.

vi is also scum.

It is known.

firebringer has a similar theory that he used in a game that ended not too long ago, based on some sample of games, but it was from the opposite perspective about most active posters are most likely town

So what's the consensus on like catch-up posts? For example, I started doing these when I started doing a lot of replacing into games because I didn't want to flood the thread on the back end. I think I typically end up somewhere in the middle anyways, so it doesn't necessarily matter.

Between that and the rampant discussions about mafia theory and meta that I just glaze over, I'm lulled into a state of "I just want to ignore this person." and then I remember I could not for the life of me tell you who Auro actually thinks is scum. The play reeks and should actually be lynched.

YEP.

How am I supposed to help kmd and Starbuck and Porkens actually catch up and post?

You're not. I had an all-day work thing on Weds and yesterday I found out that my Great-Grandfather (who walked out on our whole family in like the '50s) passed away back in February and my Great Aunt knew but never told my Grandmother (her sister) because they haven't spoken in like 10 years although they still live like 15 min away from each other. I had to call my Grandmother in Connecticut, while I'm in Florida, to tell her that her father died six months ago and her sister couldn't have been arsed to tell her. So it's been a weird few days.

I will try tomorrow though to put a more succinct Auro case in one place because it has certainly been spread out over a lot of pages.

I'd appreciate this. I think I've picked up on most of it on my own, but a one-stop-shop post about it all would be helpful.

If you stand alone, what do you stand for?

If you stand for nothing Burr, what'll you fall for?

ALL OF THAT POST. Man, this was the ABR that I wanted in Weakest Link. YAAAAASSSSSSS.

@MT @Starbuck choose VP Baltar or Auro. We need to work together and consolidate early.

I know who I want to choose, but is it still viable?

[Starbuck]

Catch up #5 - BORN TO HAND JIVE, BABYYYYYYYYYYY. Page 35 to

Misreps out of ignorance are different from misreps out of dishonesty, ABR.

+1

So, uh, Auro, where are those magic fucking scumreads that were promised not so long ago?

+1

He seems like a solid player but I don't have him in my "if he's ever wrong he needs to go" category.

Seriously, there'd be a whole wagon of people that are just as responsible.

ABR's controlling and restricting lynches instead of organically letting them happen.

I think you're giving him too much credit.

I want a farside lynch

You aren't going to get that today, so you should start looking at the other options because parking your vote there and the way that you parked vote there is not very good.

On top of that, you literally are voting her because of some talk that y'all had about your meta. It's lame and it sucks. You want a farside lynch? Build a case on what she's done in this game and not based on whatever meta conversation that y'all were having.


Porkens went from lackadaisical farmhouse pig to wild boar at ABR in 877. Holy shit. AND HE DID MY RQS! That makes my heart happy.


I FINALLY FOUND MY FIRST CATCH UP POST FROM THIS MORNING. THANK THE ENTIRE PANTHEON. FRAKKING HELL.

OMGUS

Hmmm. Intent?

Yours?

ABR wanting to run VP up to L-1 specifically rather than lynching feels weird. Like he's interested in a claim more than convinced VP is scum.

I was thinking it has something to do with whatever info he has.


I like Blair's 929 and her 934 follow up.



I FOUND THE END. Goddess Bless.

[Starbuck]

Oh yeah, I meant to throw a vote on that bottom catch up.

UNVOTE: Blair
VOTE: Auro

[Starbuck]

Please walk me through why it's lame and sucky to attack disingenuous assertions about meta. Moreso after you +1'd my saying ignorance and dishonesty were distinguishable, which was a statement about that very case.

I agreed with your statement and I know it's about that very case. I was reading and catching up at the time.

I think meta can be useful in certain cases. Here, I think you're using it as a distraction to the current game and spending way more time focusing on meta this and meta that, than what's actually happening in our game state. I don't know if you're trying to show off as a newer player or what, but it's not helpful. You grabbing some random ass quotes from a finished game because of you and farside disagree about how a finished game went down doesn't matter to me. I want to know what in this game is making you suspect her. To me, as of right now, you have zero case on her because you can't provide what she's done within this thread.

For me, it's the same as ABR linking to my recently finished game and overexaggerating how I acted there. I know he's doing it in my defense and to show KMD the similarities, but I feel that he's misrepresenting me with how he presented that. Regardless, it's not anything I want to focus on because it's not in this game and ABR is going to read it how ABR reads it. I'm not going to change his mind.

[Starbuck]

Starbuck still bothers me because I feel like she's peppered little barbs into her catch-up posts to try to reignite the 1v1 she claims was so terrible.

I was responding to what I missed when I wasn't around. Plenty of people talked around, about, and for me and it was important for me to say what I needed to say. I'm all done with it now.



Thanks for your 1073, VPB. I caught most of that as I read, but I appreciate having it all in one spot.

[Starbuck]

You think Pork is scum trying to save his buddy? I doubt that, Pork has been consistently obvtown

I think obvtown is a bit of a stretch.

[Starbuck]

Do I really have to answer that? I'm not going down the rabbit hole with you, Auro.

[Starbuck]

The obvtown comment from MT regarding Porkens set my alarm bells off. I'm struggling putting him as town and didn't particularly care for his attempt to start the ABR counter wagon.

[Starbuck]

Vote: Porkens

I didn't like that push of an ABR wagon at the end of the day.

[Starbuck]

I can get behind that MT vote, too. I just think her calling Porkens obvtown along with his push onto an ABR counterwagon is suspect AF.

[Starbuck]

I was reading VPB as town the whole time. If anyone was obvtown yesterday, it was him. When I started reading how town he was coming off, I figured ABR had something up his sleeve so I was waiting to see where he was going with it. He nailed Auro early and worked his ass off to get us a scum lynch on Day 1. I wholeheartedly appreciate that he could see through all the noise to get us that, even if Auro was pretty obvious in his scumminess anyways. I was really starting to question his invitation to the game if he had flipped town. ABR's death is not in vain and we will avenge him.

Given that last-minute push onto him, I think there's scum in the 3 of Porkens, Blair, and CLAP. Of the 3, I think Porkens because his tantrum felt fabricated, he was all over the place, and it was like he was trying to redeem himself with that hammer. I'm very happy with my Porkens vote and I think y'all should join me.

[Starbuck]

ABR acted like a beautiful psycho

If that's not the most perfect definition of ABR, I don't know what it is.

[Starbuck]

Go ahead, the bit of information that I received is one of you or farside are scum. I think it's you. So no, my vote isn't moving and you shouldn't be been so obvscum yesterday with your reactionary stances.

[Starbuck]

I think ABR had something similar for his info but with Auro and VPB.

[Starbuck]

Go ahead, the bit of information that I received is one of you or farside are scum. I think it's you. So no, my vote isn't moving and you shouldn't be been so obvscum yesterday with your reactionary stances.

please explain, starbuck.

1) A Revelation. Some players begin the game with additional information about the game setup. All but one of these players are Town-aligned. Players that have additional information are not considered power roles and will not flip differently from how they otherwise would.

[Starbuck]

is this information you received pre-game? if so, why didn't you claim it D1 so we had a 50/50 to lynch from.

Because I felt that ABR had similar information re: Auro and VPB and I wanted to see if I was correct. The revelation only came to me when he admitted to lying to Auro about scumreading VPB. Scum killing ABR last night just solidified it for me.

I know I'm town. I know that one of Porkens and farside is scum. It could be farside, too, but her frustration with Auro came off way town to me.

I assume that ABR had a similar setup. He knew that he was town and that one of VPB and Auro were scum.

[Starbuck]

If Pork is scum here, that'd mean he actually faked 50. Is that even possible?

1) A Revelation. Some players begin the game with additional information about the game setup.

All but one of these players are Town-aligned.

Players that have additional information are not considered power roles and will not flip differently from how they otherwise would.

It would be a helluva gambit, but I don't necessarily think he gambited. I think he's the non-town aligned player.

[Starbuck]

Also, @hoopla, we were on track for a lynch that needed to happen and I felt it was more important to not distract and see if my theory came full circle.

What scum should have done was not kill ABR. If they had killed anyone else, I don't think I'd feel so certain on this.

[Starbuck]

Her play yesterday does nothing to suggest she had any such information from day 1.

It absolutely does. I was working through sorting farside yesterday because I know her a bit better.

She makes no attempt to sort farside at all, I don’t think she evens mentions her.

ABSOLUTE AND COMPLETE MISREPRESENTATION.

I point you to my ISO 2 & 3 (some random back and forth at the beginning of the game), but then to ISO #58/Post 1013, ISO #59/Post 1017, and that line of thinking continues in my response to Auro in ISO 61/Post 1077. So please, tell me again, how I didn't mention farside because I clearly did and it was the basis for my vote on Auro yesterday.

I completely sorted farside yesterday, which helped land me on you as scum.

Finally, why even hold that information day one at all? What if she were the nightkill, then that info does with her? Doesn’t make sense for town.

I think you're forgetting that even ABR himself was telling y'all that I'm a false positive. Also, it works to my benefit because scum ain't gonna kill a scummy town player. I wasn't dying last night, dude.

According to the Rules post, some of the players start with info. I wasn't the only one, but there was no sense in distracting from what ABR was doing with my information when statistically we had a small chance of one in the three (of you, me, and farside) dying on the overnight. I'm not the only one holding information because if I remember correctly, you were the one who brought up the info in our roles in the first place and you didn't reveal what you know. So that's a bit hypocritical there, my friend.

[Starbuck]

Oh and in that quote she says she’s pretty sure there is scum in Blair, clap, or me. No mention of farside whatsoever.

The ABR push. DUH.

[Starbuck]

Go ahead, the bit of information that I received is one of you or farside are scum. I think it's you. So no, my vote isn't moving and you shouldn't be been so obvscum yesterday with your reactionary stances.

I believe this.

Consider my vote spiritually on Porkens. (Not sure how close we are to hammer, can't be bothered to check)

This was a revelation she had from day 1, right? So why not out it say 1?

@Starbuck

Any breadcrumbs?

I'm not the best at breadcrumbs. It's something I've never fully mastered, but basically this:

You think Pork is scum trying to save his buddy? I doubt that, Pork has been consistently obvtown

I think obvtown is a bit of a stretch.

and when ABR asked for final comments

The obvtown comment from MT regarding Porkens set my alarm bells off. I'm struggling putting him as town and didn't particularly care for his attempt to start the ABR counter wagon.

[Starbuck]

I can't with the WIFOM and AtE in 1349 and 1352. So y'all have fun with that.

Otherwise I’m scared of losing 4 townies.

4?

it's great that starbuck wants to dismantle porkens, but i think it's more important atm to elaborate on this revelation that leads to lynching pork in the first place. why should starbuck care whether porkens is making a misrep when starbuck should already be fairly confident that pork is scum, and only needs to explain to the rest of us how this revelation work?

What do you need elaboration on? I have given everything I know and it's clearly laid out in the thread already.

I started with information, as did a handful of others as is stated in Post #1, that information is that one of farside and Porkens is scum. That's it. It's all I got.

[Starbuck]

@Starbuck: is the wording of your revelation that ONLY one of farside/porkens MUST be scum, period, full stop, without qualification as to that being true at the start of the game or some similar wording? I want to make sure the phrasing discounts the ability for scum to recruit.

Only one, in the two of them, is scum. I'm paraphrasing for obvious not quoting the mod reasons. I don't feel I can go further without breaking game rules.

[Starbuck]

Yeah, I'm not asking for you to quote; just whether you think there is any qualifying language that would leave the ability for recruitment. Sounds like no.

There's nothing indicative, to me, of recruitment.

[Starbuck]

i guess i just have a few follow-up questions since it seemed like you only told part of the story (like whether there were any breadcrumbs, which i guess not)

* this is a revelation, not a role, right? uve had this information all along and chose to give it now, its not part of some ongoing revelation that will reveal new info? maybe ppl will disagree but if you're like that kind of cop that checks if the target is the same as the target you last checked, i'd rather just hear that

* does ur revelation come with some sort of role name or are you a vt? is there some part of this claim you can flesh out? even if ur PM just says "u're VT but have this information" id like to hear how it was presented to u

1. I already explained it. I'm not sure why you can't just go to my ISO and see what's already been said so we're not spinning in circles. It's a revelation as is listed in Post 1 of the game.

2. I'm a VT but started with the info and as part of the revelation as listed in Post 1 of the game that I already previously requoted.

[Starbuck]

Spoiler:

Vote: Porkens

I didn't like that push of an ABR wagon at the end of the day.

Go ahead, the bit of information that I received is one of you or farside are scum. I think it's you. So no, my vote isn't moving and you shouldn't be been so obvscum yesterday with your reactionary stances.

I think ABR had something similar for his info but with Auro and VPB.

Go ahead, the bit of information that I received is one of you or farside are scum. I think it's you. So no, my vote isn't moving and you shouldn't be been so obvscum yesterday with your reactionary stances.

please explain, starbuck.

1) A Revelation. Some players begin the game with additional information about the game setup. All but one of these players are Town-aligned. Players that have additional information are not considered power roles and will not flip differently from how they otherwise would.

is this information you received pre-game? if so, why didn't you claim it D1 so we had a 50/50 to lynch from.

Because I felt that ABR had similar information re: Auro and VPB and I wanted to see if I was correct. The revelation only came to me when he admitted to lying to Auro about scumreading VPB. Scum killing ABR last night just solidified it for me.

I know I'm town. I know that one of Porkens and farside is scum. It could be farside, too, but her frustration with Auro came off way town to me.

I assume that ABR had a similar setup. He knew that he was town and that one of VPB and Auro were scum.

If Pork is scum here, that'd mean he actually faked 50. Is that even possible?

1) A Revelation. Some players begin the game with additional information about the game setup.

All but one of these players are Town-aligned.

Players that have additional information are not considered power roles and will not flip differently from how they otherwise would.

It would be a helluva gambit, but I don't necessarily think he gambited. I think he's the non-town aligned player.

Here. That took me like 30 seconds to put together.

[Starbuck]

Additionally, I listed you, Blair, and Pork because you guys were the ABR counterwagon. Of the 3 of you, I think Pork is most likely to be scum given the revelation that I have.

[Starbuck]

I'm trying to get out the door for work, so having to repeat myself when I've already said what you asked is frustrating, to say the least.

If you need it all in one spot, I'll take care of that when I get a break or when I get home later. Otherwise, it's already all there and there are quite a number of other players who understand what I was putting down.

[Starbuck]

I still don't understand what is so inconsistent and scattered about my ISO or what other elaboration that I can do, but specifically for CLAP.

I am a VT. I started the game, as in received this alongside my role, with information and/or revelation (as per Post 1) that one out of Porkens and farside is scum.

Going back to CLAP's 1372

i guess i just have a few follow-up questions since it seemed like you only told part of the story (like whether there were any breadcrumbs, which i guess not)

* this is a revelation, not a role, right? uve had this information all along and chose to give it now, its not part of some ongoing revelation that will reveal new info? maybe ppl will disagree but if you're like that kind of cop that checks if the target is the same as the target you last checked, i'd rather just hear that

* does ur revelation come with some sort of role name or are you a vt? is there some part of this claim you can flesh out? even if ur PM just says "u're VT but have this information" id like to hear how it was presented to u

1. It is a revelation.
2. I've had the info all along and kept it close to my chest Day 1 because I wanted Day 1 to evolve organically. If it led to my wagon, I would have revealed when forced to claim. If the lynch had swung to Porkens or farside, I'm not sure what I would have done.
3. No, it's not part of some ongoing revelation (this is where you frustrated me this morning because it's specifically in the game rules).
4. No, it's not a power role, I started with this info (again, read the game rules).
5. I am a VT (again, game rules).
6. "You're a VT, but you know this shit to be true."

[Starbuck]

Oh and then she says she’s busy and won’t be back (which may be true but is also a great excuse to ghost this day until things shake out)

And like I said: it’s probably tru, but she brought her IRL into the game, and put it in play.

You know I deemed you as a much better player than stooping to this. Keep it in-game, please, I have to go to work to pay my bills just like everyone else. I'm allowed to step away from a game thread, and say as such, and so are you. Don't be this person.

So Starbuck, do you think I would put such a target on myself yesterday as scum, and if so, why?

I think you were trying in vain to save your buddy and it just didn't work. It was a valiant attempt, but it just didn't work. I also think you wanted town cred as the hammer.


@VPB, I see your questions in 1398. I'll point you to 1431.


I like IAUN's 1401. I like the insight and thought about Blair because I need to look at her with fresh eyes and I also like the farside break down.

I should put it out there that I'm not against a farside lynch. I just read her more town, especially during that dumb back and forth that she had to endure about meta with Auro, than I do with Porkens.

ABR was pushing both you and Auro simultaneously for a long time, no?

From my POV, I feel he was but the more I read into VPB yesterday the more I was like "oh he's town. What the hell is ABR getting at?" Then he turned around and told Auro that he lied about wanting both lynches because he scumread Auro and that was it.

Porkens is the one who actually did enter the thread at an opportune moment and begin loudly promoting a new counterwagon.

THIS.

Don't really agree as much on this. We can see the results of his harder push on me (I was actually wagoned, whereas Auro coasted until ABR turned on him).

You already analyzed your wagon, right? Or just Auro's?

[Starbuck]

Upon which you jumped and for which you called me a hero.

Gotham turned on Batman.

I'm following my metaphor just fine thank you very much.

Literally, that was a QUEEEEEEEEEEEEN response.

[Starbuck]

Starbuck, why would I go out of my way to look scummy in this game? Or do you think your vision of scum-me thought what I did would look protown?

So you think I made up all that reasoning, thought process, and emotional states that I wrote in my long post?

I don't think you went out of your way. I think it just happened and now you're cleaning up the mess.

I think you were MEGA appealing to emotion in your long post and it doesn't sit well with me. I think you're going way over the top and it's just weird.

If you want to prove some goodwill, what's your revelation? Since you were the first to even mention something.

[Starbuck]

Lemme play with my dog for a bit and then I'll come back and I guess sit back down and read for a while

Be careful talking about doing stuff IRL. Mafia is your life nao.

[Starbuck]

Do you know what's beautiful? Having plans last night, getting up this morning, and only having like 3 pages to read.

Again, I do not have a revelation.

If the above, why the below as your first post in the game?

~NAME~

Welcome to Mafia of Revelations. [REDACTED].

No backing out - you're playing this game now.

Your faction wins when it is the only one remaining in the game, or nothing can prevent the same.

Please confirm via PM with the name of your role. The game thread can be found here. I wish you the best of luck.

My PM has something different for the bold. It's two words. I'm interested to know if this is different for everyone...?

[Starbuck]

This is inconsistent with later posting? If you've got this 50/50 that you felt necessary to bring today (I'm fine with D2 vs. D1), why are you prodding outside of it? 1-for-1 is always a transaction that benefits town, so it feels like you should be dead-set on Porkens or Farside.

It probably is. However, I was already questioning MT's defense of both Auro and Porkens during Day 1. Like she literally took it upon herself to try and explain away Auro. Given that I scum read Porkens, the PoE doesn't look that great there. I think that if Porkens flips red, on top of Auro, that there's a high chance that MT might, as well.

Also, 1306 is an awkward presentation of the information? Idk, it's all just weird to me. I think there's no way this play comes from scum but I also just, y'know, have questions.

What questions?

Porkens' posting today just makes me more comfortable with farside.

And this is why I wanted some help with this, I could be misreading both of them, so I wanted to bring the knowledge that I have to the table and have y'all help me sort it out.

I like your whole re-read/sorting at the bottom of this post, too.

I uh also am honestly more concerned about the possibility of Starbuck fakeclaiming because she's that convinced that Porkens is scum than her being scum making this claim because I have been burned very hard by that shit before but if Reck comes by and tells Starbuck hypothetically that it would be very not ok then I suspect everything will be fine

Why do you think Reck has this phenomenal cosmic power?

What is P?

MS rule today was to remove the terminology of lynch from the verbiage in all games. Would assume Vi is trying to move away from "L-X" since that invokes the same verbiage.

I was going to get ready to ask about this. I'm glad others already focused on it. I need to remove it from my vocabulary, but we'll all get there sooner or later.

It is absolutely blowing my mind that you all are passing on the people on yesterday's LITERAL LAST DITCH COUNTERWAGON TO SCUM to focus on farside who did... I don't know... vaguely something???

what in the fuck is happening right now

SAME

because farside claiming a VT with pro-scum information seems like a bad scum strategy

+1

[Starbuck]

Am I safe? No.

My revelation says that one of you two is scum. If you aren't scum, then it's farside. If farside isn't scum, it's you. If farside is hammered and flips scum, then you are confirmed town to me (and I was wholly wrong on you). If farside is hammered and flips town, then you are confirmed scum to me. And vice versa. I won't stop trying to eliminate the one that I know is scum based on the information that I have.

Right now, I don't have a definitive that says which one of you is the town role and which is the scum. The only way we'll find that out is with the elimination today.

On the investigation, I could care less if an investigative role looks at me. I'm a VT. It would be a waste. They should investigate (depending on today's flip) the other side of the 50/50 to back up the elimination tomorrow.

[Starbuck]

An addendum, if we flip the scum today, the investigative role should just do whatever they want anyways because we eliminated the scum.

[Starbuck]

Thank you, mostly that sounds fine but one follow up:

If one of us flips town, why should the investigator check the other instead of checking you?

1. Because I can't control a potential investigator's actions. They are going to do what they want to do. If they want to check me, cool. If they want to check the other side of the 50/50, cool. At the end of the day, I'm only responsible for my actions and not the actions of anyone else.

2. I'd welcome the check, but it's just going to reveal that I said what I say I am. I think investigating a VT is wasteful, but if it's what the investigator wants to do, they should do it.

3. I also think that I may be a potential for an NK tonight if we flip the scum today. I don't want them to waste an investigation on me and lose a night of action when they could be checking MT or CLAP or someone for further in the game.

[Starbuck]

Yeah, I don't like #1500 at all. I don't think I'm better than everyone else and that's kind of a weird (and quite insulting, tbh) place to come from.

[Starbuck]

Sure. But again, you're speaking in hypotheticals. I can't tell you who has an investigative role and what they are going to do with it.

[Starbuck]

An addendum, if we flip the scum today, the investigative role should just do whatever they want anyways because we eliminated the scum.

Does your revelation specify that *only* one of them is scum? Apologies if I missed it but don’t remember seeing more than just 1 of them is for sure scum.

Only 1 of them.

[Starbuck]

Basically, if we flip the scum, I think I'm high on the list of a potential NK, which means the investigative roles out there should stay away from me because I think they'd waste their PR.

[Starbuck]

Moment of truth now.

[Starbuck]

or how about if we have a detective or something we don't out them for no reason that seems good

+1

[Starbuck]

I'm so sorry, Porkens.

And I'm totally not sorry, farside, even if I heart you.

[Starbuck]

In terms of bus potential.

I liked VP’s Morning Tweet case at least in the sense that it was using associatives off a known flip. That gets me all riled up.

I'm still about a Morning Tweet wagon.

Hell, I'll even start it.

VOTE: Morning Tweet

[Starbuck]

does anyone have any reasons for or against claiming revelations?

Day 2. Case in point.

[Starbuck]

ok the clap iso will happen when im not drunk

DO IT DRUNK

+1

[Starbuck]

This is inconsistent with later posting? If you've got this 50/50 that you felt necessary to bring today (I'm fine with D2 vs. D1), why are you prodding outside of it? 1-for-1 is always a transaction that benefits town, so it feels like you should be dead-set on Porkens or Farside.

It probably is. However, I was already questioning MT's defense of both Auro and Porkens during Day 1. Like she literally took it upon herself to try and explain away Auro. Given that I scum read Porkens, the PoE doesn't look that great there. I think that if Porkens flips red, on top of Auro, that there's a high chance that MT might, as well.

AGar, given that what I brought forth is now true, why was it harmful of me to skill scumhunt or, at the very least, say where my suspicion lied outside of it yesterday?

I wasn't sure what was going to happen on the overnight, so I felt it pertinent to put down where I thought the PoE might be in case I was the NK choice.

[Starbuck]

so do you think the ABR counterwagon was all town?

I know this isn't pointed at me, but I don't think that's a safe assumption.

Starbuck + Baltar team cleaning house.

having a 50/50 on scum seemed kinda overpowered which was the only thing holding me back from just voting farside immediately, i was gonna review starbuck/farside or something idk but i was never gonna vote Pork at least

I don't really like excuses for not being on a wagon at all. You weren't on one at EOD on Day 1, nor were you on one at EOD on Day 2. I'm okay being wrong about Porkens, but at least I took a stance.

i tried to respond to VP's case as best i could yesterday. Not having scumreads is kinda normal, I didn't really townread Auro so much as wanted to defend the parts of his case that were decidedly NAI, and farside has been in my PoE past early d1 and i'd have never lynched pork before her etc etc

I gotta say

I haaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaate this defense

Same

i've been quietly ruminating on what this mechanic actually is. is it just random setup info for a handful of players?

It's in the Game Rules. Post 1. Seriously, I don't know what's so hard about reading the rules and seeing what the mechanic is all about.

[Starbuck]

@Starbucks saying "at least i took a stance"

i thought my stance on Pork vs. farside would be pretty clear considering Pork was my highest tr.

You didn't take a stance with your vote for two days in a row according to EOD vote counts.

[Starbuck]

what is a tarhalindur

He was on the site in the late 2000s/early 2010s and had some of the coolest themed and mechanic style games.

[Starbuck]

Got a little busy over the past day or so, quick catch up.

Being the counter wagon to auro is big enough, but Starbuck may be right about ABR having a 50/50 as well

That's just my theory given that he pitted Auro vs. VPB all day on D1. I'll be curious to see what is revealed post game regarding that.

It was just odd the way the 50/50 came about. I was trying to wrap my head around it because it wasn't how I would have presented it - start the day off in one direction and then go ahead and say "Oh but wait, I have this 50/50 we can use," a bit later.

I started the day not sure if I wanted to reveal or not, but as we got a bit further, I felt that I should. It did come about a bit more awkwardly than I wanted, so I can't blame you for that.

To elaborate on this a little: When Puppy suggested an investigator check out Starbuck, Reck and GC were the two people who sort of scoffed at that and tried to dissuade from it - then Porkens was nightkilled which sort of "Proved" Starbuck's revelation - an odd choice for scum to clear her instead of killing her if she's town.

I didn't think it was odd at all. I am a claimed VT. Porkens didn't claim anything. They were hoping to kill a PR. I'm not sure why you would consider that to be an odd choice or how that's your spiciest read.

the insistence that reacting poorly to the idea of trying to get investigatives on starbuck is somehow scummy is just buck wild to me

we have a whole chunk of this game that isn't sorted that a inv check would be fantastic to help us sort out. instead people wanted to focus in one starbuck/porkens/farside, which was going to resolve itself anyway? oh look, farside flipped scum, porkens is dead. i get the paranoia of wHaT iF sTaRbUcK wAs LyInG but honestly that'll have to sort itself out later and i'm way more inclined to believe SB is town for now rather than get tunnel visioned on one tiny corner of the game

This is why I warned people away from me, too. Check out some of the other folks that might not be in the line of fire for an NK. Why would you aim at Porkens or me (after that farside flip) when we had the greatest chance of dying? It's wasteful.

In this one it feels like she got flustered by the speed of the game

To be fair, I got flustered by the speed of the game, as did a few others if I recall. I think that's NAI. There was no reason to wake up to 10-15 pages each day.




I'm going to UNVOTE: Morning Tweet and do some reevaluation.

[Starbuck]

I unvoted for now because I didn't want an accidental hammer or quick end to the day while I read up on CLAP, username, and such.

[Starbuck]

Could you elaborate, GC?

[Starbuck]

I'm going to strongly suggest we yeet MT unless this replacement is amazingly town. The association to Auro is incredible and everyone fracturing into their pet project without very good cases is killing momentum in this game.

I'm spiritually on MT! Promise.

[Starbuck]

~Vote Count XXIV:

Mod Picturebox Currently Set To "Cuteposting"

Kmd4390 (Y-3)

~ Green Crayons, AGar, CantLynchAPuppy, Hoopla

iamausername (Y-4)

~ Blair, Untrod Tripod, Kmd4390,

(Hoopla)

Morning Tweet (Y-5)

~ VP Baltar, Gammagooey

Blair (Y-6)

~ iamausername

Not Yeeting:

(CantLynchAPuppy,)

xRECKONERx, Morning Tweet, Starbuck

-I'm still searching for a replacement for Morning Tweet. Please hold...

--With 13 alive, it will take 7 votes to yeet a player.
--Deadline is at 21:00 on Monday, 13 July 2020.

(6 days left)

CLAP, Reck, and Starbuck, please place a vote.

Well chkflip is already not impressing me.

So back on that wagon I go, I was spiritually there anyways.

VOTE: chkflp

[Starbuck]

OH FFS, what did I just read? 3 trackers and folks outting targets all over the place.

[Starbuck]

Does anyone have tracker revelations to help sort this?

+1

[Starbuck]

Also forgive me if I'm quiet, I feel like I was totally at the center of attention yesterday, for good reasons given the flip and felt like I may have drowned some of you out. It wasn't my intention, but I'm sure it happened.

I still feel strongly about the MT/chkflp spot and would most like to see that play out today. I know the trackers will take precedence now. Of those 3, I wouldn't eliminate AGar but I don't know between GC and KMD as it didn't come to light until after his claim.

Do we have a good layout of who targeted who? Where there's overlap and such?

[Starbuck]

here's an idea
trackers all track each other and we fuck it yolo yeet someone who isn't a claimed tracker

Like chkflp! Done.

[Starbuck]

At least Morning Tweet was actively engaged, chkflp just added 27 posts and nothing new to the game state.

I could get behind Blair, too, but I would prefer the resolution of this slot in particular.

[Starbuck]

What's the case for chkflip?

For him, personally, he's had 27 posts and not an ounce of real contribution.

For his slot and Morning Tweet, she took to white knighting Auro most of Day 1 and it could be that he was just more obvious to her than me, but her obvtown comment about Porkens at the end of Day 1 stuck in my craw. It almost felt like she was certain he was town, even after he tried in vain to start the ABR counterwagon. There's a bit more to it probably from other folks, but that's the real simplified version from my POV.

[Starbuck]

Holy spam batman. Chill.

[Starbuck]

Oh yeah, I meant to throw a vote on that bottom catch up.

UNVOTE: Blair
VOTE: Auro

This is a bus.

Vote: Porkens

I didn't like that push of an ABR wagon at the end of the day.

This person died N2.

I wonder why.

[Starbuck]

Also ~reasons~

THREE FOR THREE YALL

[Starbuck]

THANK YOU, UT.

[Starbuck]

Oh look, the thread is stalled. AGAIN.

[Starbuck]

what is fucking happening

IDK, but I'm mad that all I rolled was fucking VT. Revelation or not.

[Starbuck]

So can we yeet chkflp then? Plz?

[Starbuck]

Oh thank god. Please end this day.

[Starbuck]

Thanks to scum for eliminating someone who was suspected and doing our work for us.

[Starbuck]

Okay, trackers, what you got?

[Starbuck]

I tracked IIAU - I thought they'd be really unlikely to be nightkilled and if they were scum pretty likely to do the kill since they were tracked n2 : /

I don't like this. Too easy.

[Starbuck]

Blair would have been the optimal pick, tbh.

[Starbuck]

give us some kind of show of faith.

[Starbuck]

At least see if she shows herself on the vote count.

[Starbuck]

The cross tracking of each other is interesting. There's, at least, one confirmed track each night - GC confirms KMD N1, Agar confirms Gamma N2, and KMD confirms Gamma N3.

Agar and KMD both confirm Gamma.
GC and Gamma both have IIAU as a track.
Agar and KMD both have Hoopla as a track.
Agar and GC both track Reck on the same night.

I don't believe in coincidences, but I think we need to eliminate within the trackers today.

[Starbuck]

who else beyond me has not claimed yet? I still want to figure out if mass claiming just makes sense at this point.

Blair, Hoopla, UT, Reck.....I think?

[Starbuck]

also im not claiming my revelation, doing so would be anti-town, scum already know that i know ~something~ so i'm leaving it at that. u wanna mislynch me that's fine, go ahead

To be fair, you know who else wouldn't reveal their revelation because it was anti-town? Farside.

You ain't winning me here. Lay it out.

[Starbuck]

He's saying he has information that isn't particularly helpful to town, but would be helpful to scum, as I understand it.

Which is the exact same thing that farside said.

[Starbuck]

^^^ That is what I needed. I'm not voting Reck today.

[Starbuck]

^^^ That is what I needed. I'm not voting Reck today.

WHAT did u need exactly

You to not be so dejected.

[Starbuck]

I do think that Reck's getting some maybe undeserved heat atm b/c he's the nail sticking out of the setup atm - his play certainly isn't spectacular but the votes on him feel lazy, like people are expecting him to claim his revelation and/or flip scum and then that magically fixes the setup somehow.

Aren't I the only one voting for him?

You are now, but CLAP and Hoopla had voted around the same time you did.

[Starbuck]

VPB, who are we voting today?

[Starbuck]

Nope, you were wrong when you pushed propaganda like the above with username and I think you're wrong here, too.

[Starbuck]

also something is bugging me about starbuck's revelation but i can't put a finger on it. like the mod straight up just put a role in that nails scum for free? really? it's like even more powerful than a cop tbh.

It definitely would make sense if we really do have 5 billion trackers and no other investigative type roles. Same with ABR.

[Starbuck]

still trying to wrap my head around this game. i have been adrift for a while, and feel lost.

so if we assume 2 mafia trackers (which fucking honestly seems likely) then we're pretty evenly divided into:

one scum in {me/blair/clap/hoopla/starbuck/ut}
one scum in {agar/gc/kmd/gamma/vpb}

right?

on a reread this is a take i agree with.

If we go off of this, I think either a Blair or a KMD would probably be best today.

[Starbuck]

Something interesting, although probably OMGUS-y from my POV, is that both of them came full bore at me on Day 1 and then when they didn't get what they wanted, they've pretty much sat back ever since.

[Starbuck]

but Reck could just be difficult..soo

I lol'd.

[Starbuck]

Do the trackers know what they are doing tonight?

[Starbuck]

Wasn't morning tweet run up for being wrong on reads too?

She was within the PoE, for me, and I appreciate that being resolved. On top of that, chkflp had an opportunity to redeem the slot and chose to add a bunch of spam to the thread. I'm not sad about removing that element.

[Starbuck]

This is frankly one of the best playerlists I think I've ever played with in my decade on-site, and I think you might be surprised by how willing they are to listen and figure shit out with ya as long as you're willing to put in the effort to explain the details and nuances of your suspicions here.

MEGA +1

[Starbuck]

I Stilllllllll want to direct the conversation away from 'how does this shit all work' and more onto "this person is scum and here's why" tho

Same. My brain hurts.

[Starbuck]

there's something called a "calamity trigger".

As someone who NEVER clears out my Bookmarks, I remembered this phrase and Tar had a game with that in the title.

Blaz Blue: Calamity Trigger Mafia

[Starbuck]

I Stilllllllll want to direct the conversation away from 'how does this shit all work' and more onto "this person is scum and here's why" tho

Same. My brain hurts.

you say this but
who is scum and why

My feelings were wrong on MT and it kinda threw me, so I'm trying to figure that out.

[Starbuck]

Hi, sorry, I've been out in the great outdoors for the past two days. Expect content tomorrow. I forgot to hit the V/LA button.

[Starbuck]

Just finished reading to catch up.

I see KMD is currently at L-1. Like UT, above, I think we can give him some time to say stuff, but I am a willing hammer if I'm not beaten to it.

[Starbuck]

VOTE: KMD


Let's move this along, shall we?

[Starbuck]

I effing knew it was KMD after that awful case on me Day 1. That hammer FELT GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOD.



RIP AGar, you will be avenged.

Reck/UT/Hoopla

you've left out blair

+1

Can confirm Vi targeted Agar last night.

Just a heads up to you all that because of what's going on in Portland right now, my play is going to be severely limited. I haven't done any rereading overnight. I will do my best to participate because replacing out at this point is a burden, and I can reasonably still read along and contribute as time allows. You will likely see a downtick in my posting though, so heads up.

Gamewise, I think UT/reck makes the most sense probably. Still possible Blair went hambone super bus in a last ditch to save this game for scum, but that's a tinfoil theory at this point.

Please be safe.

I also share your tinfoil hat theory. I'm going to do some re-reading and lay my thoughts out a bit better.

it's also AWFULLY CONVENIENT that the RaNdoM sCuM KiLL was on a pretty much 100% agreed upon town player

the issue I had was never that the mod slot was committing the kills, but that they're randomly determined. I feel like I'm saying this into a void because everyone just keeps fucking ignoring it

I haven't believed it was random. The kills have been too perfect to be random.

[Starbuck]

The cross tracking of each other is interesting. There's, at least, one confirmed track each night - GC confirms

KMD

N1,

Agar

confirms Gamma N2, and

KMD

confirms Gamma N3.

Agar

and

KMD

both confirm Gamma.
GC and Gamma both have IIAU as a track.

Agar

and

KMD

both have Hoopla as a track.

Agar

and GC both track Reck on the same night.

I don't believe in coincidences, but I think we need to eliminate within the trackers today.

Now in color.

[Starbuck]

SHOT THROUGH THE HEART! and you're to blame:

3) Auro ---

Mafia Tracker

--- Sacrificed to Nollij Day 1!!!
2) Albert B. Rampage ---

Vanilla Townie

--- Rested in Rage Night 1.
6) farside22 ---

Mafia Goon

--- Sequentially Devoured by Snake Day 2!
13) Porkens ---

Vanilla Townie

--- Gave a Last Squeal Night 2.
12) chkflip

(replacing Morning Tweet D3)

---

Vanilla Townie

--- Given the Rotisserie Treatment Day 3.
9) iamausername ---

Vanilla Townie

--- theywerekilledhorribly Night 3.
10) Kmd4390 ---

Mafia Tracker

--- Sent Back to Work Day 4!!!
1) AGar ---

Town Tracker

--- Experienced Carotid Bleeding from a Hockey Skate Night 4...

4 VTs (I know I'm a VT, that makes 5)
1 Town Tracker

1 Mafia Goon
2 Mafia Trackers

There has to be more than one Goon, right? And maybe a 3rd Mafia Tracker?

[Starbuck]

Yeah, I know, I saw the reply from GC, I think. I had forgotten about that.

[Starbuck]

Mad at UT for self-hammering. I was never going to vote him. I don't get his damn frustration.

[Starbuck]

I'm always concerned when folks follow the plans laid out in the thread that scum can also see. So in all honesty, I hope VPB tracked whomever he wanted.

[Starbuck]

I had llamarble as scum lean before he subbed in

This is where I'm stuck. Out of all the trackers who are left, I feel like Gamma would be the much better target here than VPB.

Also, I was starting to hash out my Blair/KMD connections before everyone got all vote happy and couldn't holster for a little. Things have been weirdly busy this week, so the thread was locked when I got back.

I need to not be on mobile to do that, so I'll try to hash that out tomorrow.

[Starbuck]

yeah my secret info absolutely has nothing game related at the moment in it

and actually i guess it can't hurt to reveal it since i will clearly never be a nightkill target hrmmmm

based on play, vpbaltar has been quite town, and my brain keeps wanting to find reasons to believe this is all one big misunderstanding. so, if you can reveal some info that will put to bed some conspiracy theories, i say let it out.

+1

[Starbuck]

Vote Count Analysis

Auro (L-0) ~ VP Baltar,

AGar

,

Green Crayons,

Albert B. Rampage

,

farside22

,

Starbuck

, Hoopla,

Untrod Tripod, Porkens

farside22 (NOW PWNING) ~

Porkens

, CantLynchAPuppy,

iamausername

, Hoopla,

AGar,

VP Baltar, Gammagooey, xRECKONERx

chkflip (NOW YEETING) ~ VP Baltar, Gammagooey,

Starbuck

, xRECKONERx,

Untrod Tripod

,

Kmd4390

, Blair

Kmd4390 (NOW ROASTING) ~ Blair, Hoopla, Gammagooey,

Untrod Tripod

, xRECKONERx,

Starbuck

Untrod Tripod (NOW SUPLEXING) ~ Blair,

Green Crayons,

VP Baltar, Hoopla,

Untrod Tripod

Greening myself because I know I'm town.

Okay so looking at this, we're missing a lot of red because we killed them or they are hiding in plain sight.

Auro - There has to be more than 1 scum there and if we still believing ABR had a 50/50, then that scum is Hoopla. We also can't forget about the ABR counterwagon here of Blair and CLAP.

farside - Again, Hoopla's there and there's Gamma who (especially given Llamarble) that I'm still iffy about and I need to see the tracker info again. Then CLAP and Reck. There's scum here.

chkflip - this is the first day that Blair is on an actual elimination list (and she's on all the preceding ones, too). Scum is in her, Gamma, and Reck.

KMD - you know his partner had to bus here, they must have. There's Blair back again even though her and KMD were pretty buddy buddy towards the beginning of the game (especially with things concerning moi - more on that later), then Hoopla, Gamma ,& Reck. Again, at least 1 scum in the 4 of them.

UT - There's scum in Blair & Hoopla.



I think votes need to be removed from VPB immediately because the highest chance of scum right now are Blair and Hoopla.

Hoopla because, at this point, she would have bussed all of her partners (she's on each Elim) and Blair given the opportunity of the last few lynches and (for me) that KMD connection that I can't shake.

[Starbuck]

The cross tracking of each other is interesting. There's, at least, one confirmed track each night -

GC

confirms

KMD

N1,

Agar

confirms Gamma N2, and

KMD

confirms Gamma N3.

Agar

and

KMD

both confirm Gamma.

GC

and Gamma both have IIAU as a track.

Agar

and

KMD

both have Hoopla as a track.

Agar

and

GC

both track Reck on the same night.

I don't believe in coincidences, but I think we need to eliminate within the trackers today.

Now in color.

Now with GC in green.

[Starbuck]

I'm not missing that. I'm just mentioned who isn't, for lack of a better word, solved.

[Starbuck]

and why are you discounting vpbaltar exactly?

I always felt he was town, even before ABR revealed his gambit. I've figured ABR had the 50/50, too. Hence why he pitted Auro vs VPB.

If VPB is scum, I'll eat my damn hat, but out of everyone in this game. He'll never get my vote.

[Starbuck]

why does me being on every scum execution (and off one of the mis-executes) make me a suspect?

Because theoretically there's more than one scum alive at the point and there's no way that there's only one scum on Auro's elim and none on farside's elim. I think the common denominator, between you and VPB, is you.

[Starbuck]

I didn't say I believed there to be 5 in that quote. Other than the one time where I think, Gamma, corrected me, I haven't been saying there's more than 1 scum left. I'm saying who I think may be probable.

I'm not sure why you guys are going so hard to misinterpret me on that.

Also, the "the" in "at the point" should be "that" meaning Auro and farside's elim at the beginning of the game. I'm sleepy. Hence that dumb, typo, but that should have been easy to figure out given the rest of the sentence.

[Starbuck]

Well, I'm glad I had folks around who know better. VPB had me full over. I really was quite lost after the KMD flip, who really was the only scum that I was semi-sure of since farside's flip and his god awful push of me on Day 1. I called out that of the trackers (when he was alive) that he was most likely.

Thank you for the game, Vi. This was fun even if I was lost the last day or two. I honestly was surprised that I was still alive but the mechanic makes sense, as I typically ride in the middle of the post average anyways.

WHAT?

starbuck didn't even have a true 50/50? did you misread your role PM? or were you gambiting? that could have ended badly if both farside/porkens were town.

I wasn't gambiting. I read it as a 50/50. It says "are not BOTH scum," which read to me as one of them is and WAS. I am sorry that the other person was farside and I can't blame her if she's mad at me and doesn't want to speak to me for awhile. However, I'm not apologizing for my play there and was agonizing on it all through Day 1 until the Auro flip. I was wrongly focused on Porkens (sorry bud) because I did read farside as town (I can only imagine her frustration being partnered with Auro), but the outcome wasn't one that I didn't expect. One of them was scum as I felt my PM read below.

Well, you're a Vanilla Townie*. The * means you know that

Porkens and farside22 are not both scum.

This is the Ned Stark beheading that starts the entire ASOIAF saga.

Seriously, I'm laughing through all of your posts because I think you're absolutely correct. You deserve to gloat. That was fantastic play and I think I called that out a few times, too.

[Starbuck]

I felt frustration from her in the game thread on Day 1 in regards to you with all the meta and distracting talk. I was frustrated coming back to 10+ pages every IRL day.

Meta has always been prevalent on MS, but you were quite over the top. Please, for the sake of your future fellow players don't post 201 posts on Day 1.

Go look at the Activity overview. Hoopla, Blair, VPB, GC, and CLAP played the ENTIRE GAME with somewhere between 200 and 245 posts. You had 201 on Day 1. There's no reason for that.

[Starbuck]

Maybe not 201, probably like 195 because I'm not discounting endgame posts, but still same logic applies.

[Starbuck]

You gotta say, though, for random kills those were spot on. How mad was the mafia that I was basically confirmed after Porkens died?

[Starbuck]

Cuteposting ftw.

And eff all y'all who tried to make the cute alliance seem scummy, btw.

[Starbuck]

One more thing @ABR, thank you for the false positive statement. I feel like I get that so much and it's never anything I've ever been able to shake in all these years of playing.

[Starbuck]

I am sorry farside didn’t have a good time though

I know. I ever opened my role PM and this was me.

[Starbuck]

So what was your hidden information?

[Starbuck]

Oh jesus, that was for real. Hahahaha.

[Starbuck]

No, that's me.

[Starbuck]

If you guys want me to shitpost far lesser and play seriously I'll do that.

@farside: Yeah I feel ya.

This isn't really a shitposting kind of team

Just be careful of too much shit posting. I think even I after awhile would call you out on it Auro

CALLED IT

Yeah, totally. Starbuck plays with her heart on her sleeve.

I live life with my heart on my sleeve. You ain't wrong.

[Starbuck]

I. AM. DYING.

This talk about suggesting that everyone should try to fit six votes onto me in between vote counts is making me wonder what sort of game these people think I made

and also what sort of game I

should

have made


like what if an auspicious group of strangers started playing Mafia and realized halfway through that they're actually in a JRPG and need to kill God

[Starbuck]

not only is starbuck calling me scum but I'm not even getting credit for posting pet pictures that should be relevant to interests

I promise they didn't go unnoticed! I clicked through all the Jukebox and Cute Posting.

Although, there were a handful of "Pets Associated with You" links that were broken.

[Starbuck]

OMG SPYREX IN THE SPECTATOR THREAD??????????????

[Starbuck]

And just for you Vi, Pet Associated with Starbuck

[Starbuck]

#seniordogsofinstagram
This is a dog who has been fluffy for a long while.

Yes! He's 15. I adopted him when I was stationed in Sicily.

[Starbuck]

Ah, that's right, you have military connections.
I'm kind of interested in an update since your GTKAS in 2016, but I also acknowledge I'm kind of a bystander in your life so you don't have to if you don't feel comfortable or if it's too much effort.

I was actually thinking about it, but wasn't sure if I should or not.

I'll take that as a vote for should.