A warlock, a werewolf, and a vampire... [Game Over]

[Gentleman 6]

Suggestion/Request:

I don’t know if anyone else has tried to read through Perfect Masquerade, but I had a hard time following it because of the naming convention. Someone suggested having nicknames but it didn’t stick.

I used to ride the bus, and the busses would have colors and numbers. Ex. The 13 Silver. I remember “Silver” first, but after a while I was able to remember the numbers too.

Here is my suggestion: Have something in your avatar that makes you easily identifiable. For example, Lady 13 with Cat as avatar, we can call her Cat Lady 13. It’s easy to remember who she is, and if you need to look for her posts, it’s easy to see which one is her. Bonus points if it’s one syllable.

Just my $0.02. Feel free to call me Scarf Man 6.

[Gentleman 6]

Can I call you Skull Man 1? Not sure if I'm looking at your avatar correctly.

Also I'm using my Location to indicate Scarf Man 6, hopefully that should be allowed. Makes things much easier.

Driving me nuts to see "G5" "G6" etc in Perfect Masquerade because my brain just does not think that way.

[Gentleman 6]

Also, reading last game, it looks like several people posted with their mains on accident and had to replace out. What I’m doing to mitigate that is by only logging into this alt on Safari (while I use Chrome for my main). Also, in your login settings you can change the theme, so I changed the background of my alt to bright orange. That way it’ll feel pretty different on my alt vs my main.

[Gentleman 6]

Sure pal. Might want to ask about the location thing first, mod did specify to not edit locations.

You're right, they did, fixed.

[Gentleman 6]

So there are eight pairings. If we have

TM
TM
TM
MM
MM
MM
MM
MM

Mafia gets one kill, but everything else is day lynches, right? And mafia only wins if we remain at
TM or TM TM or TM TM TM? So as long as one TT survives to the end then we win?

Also not to be picky about Sans/Skull 1's nickname but it really has to have to do with the avatar or there's no point.

[Gentleman 6]

I messed that up. There are more than three town in the game.

[Gentleman 6]

So if there are
TM
TM
TM
TT
TT
TT
TT
TT

then above.

Also, mafia could get excluded from the dance today, so that's a factor. But the catch is that there could be a MM pairing, and then we lose at

TM
TT
MM

or
TT
MM

etc

Am I understanding the setup right?

[Gentleman 6]

gentleman scarf person 6, I'm interested in any thoughts you have not related to setup or out of game stuff

That's totally fair, I'm still figuring out the setup.

I'm getting a really strong townread on Gentleman 8 for some reason, not sure why. Other than that, no reads yet. I will keep y'all updated

[Gentleman 6]

I am having trouble keeping up with the pace of the discussion. I would say that I'll catch up when things have settled down, but judging from the pace so far that's going to be a while.

No reads except Seal Lady 6 is town pinging me a bit based on how she's pushing. That's good. I don't really pay attention to super small pings, and the lack of familiarity with the setup and the naming convention is messing with me a bit as well.

I'll try my best to keep up!

[Gentleman 6]

G4 are you going to change your avatar?

[Gentleman 6]

I'm overwhelmed by the amount of posts and the alt names and I'm going to replace out, as opposed to struggling through this. I bit off more than I could chew (this is my second game), I need to ease into some micros or something before I try another large theme game. Good luck everyone, I hope everyone slays it (it being mafia) on the dance floor! Hopefully since we're only a few hours into the game, my replacement won't have too much trouble catching up.

[Gentleman 6]

I'm overwhelmed by the amount of posts and the alt names and I'm going to replace out, as opposed to struggling through this. I bit off more than I could chew (this is my second game), I need to ease into some micros or something before I try another large theme game. Good luck everyone, I hope everyone slays it (it being mafia) on the dance floor! Hopefully since we're only a few hours into the game, my replacement won't have too much trouble catching up.

This slot has been replaced.

Hi Guys. And gals. And lycanthropes.

I will be changing this avatar probably, fair warning, to fit my super special unique personality.

[Gentleman 6]

Much better. This tophat truly represents everything this game means to me.


Anyways, let's talk about how goddamn townie my prior owner's replace out was, shall we?

[Gentleman 6]

As a side note, I'm not sure if I should say this or not, but you were the quickest identity to figure out. You've got a "verbal" tic that's unique on the site that manifested itself fairly quickly. Sorry, I can't resist bragging.

It is extremely likely you will figure out who I am as well.

But that's okay~

I haven't followed this game at all until now, just wanted to brag about how town my prior owner's replace-out was before lunch, I'll nose-grindstone read it nao that I'm here.

[Gentleman 6]

Here's hoping you're town and that somehow helps you get to the correct read on me, then.

[Gentleman 6]

Lady 1, serious question, what makes the game of mafia enjoyable the most to you?

[Gentleman 6]

Lady 1, serious question, what makes the game of mafia enjoyable the most to you?

Being able to have healthy conversation about reads and trying to figure things out together with other people. Why?

Your posting strikes me as something similar to how I play when I'm really happy about the role PM I drew, or the players in the game.

Given this is an anon alt game...

[Gentleman 6]

Lady 1, serious question, what makes the game of mafia enjoyable the most to you?

Being able to have healthy conversation about reads and trying to figure things out together with other people. Why?

Your posting strikes me as something similar to how I play when I'm really happy about the role PM I drew, or the players in the game.

Given this is an anon alt game...

I am happy with the role pm I got true.

You are the exact kind of player I feel like I am able to sort best.

This bodes well, and I will use you as an anchor kthnx.

[Gentleman 6]

Lady 1, serious question, what makes the game of mafia enjoyable the most to you?

Being able to have healthy conversation about reads and trying to figure things out together with other people. Why?

Your posting strikes me as something similar to how I play when I'm really happy about the role PM I drew, or the players in the game.

Given this is an anon alt game...

I am happy with the role pm I got true.

You are the exact kind of player I feel like I am able to sort best.

This bodes well, and I will use you as an anchor kthnx.

I don't know if I should be worried or if I should take this as a compliment

Yes.

[Gentleman 6]

Much better. This tophat truly represents everything this game means to me.


Anyways, let's talk about how goddamn townie my prior owner's replace out was, shall we?

If not breaking the rules, why do you think it was so townie?

It wasn't in particular (I think it is a LITTLE but I'm sort of biased) but I really hoped people would engage me on it!

You're the second person to do so and the first person (Lady the 8th) has stated that she felt it "Decently townie". Which, while not a bad take, I'd love to hear HER reasons why!

[Gentleman 6]

Much better. This tophat truly represents everything this game means to me.


Anyways, let's talk about how goddamn townie my prior owner's replace out was, shall we?

If not breaking the rules, why do you think it was so townie?

It wasn't in particular (I think it is a LITTLE but I'm sort of biased) but I really hoped people would engage me on it!

You're the second person to do so and the first person (Lady the 8th) has stated that she felt it "Decently townie". Which, while not a bad take, I'd love to hear HER reasons why!

I really feel like it was AI given the lack of meta on the slot

I could see a town slot who is new to the game feeling that way, absolutely, but given the secret alt aspect I also think it would be the sort of thing a player who dislikes scum might say to just nope out of the game immediately

Guess I didn't think about it that way because I expect player ethics such that "I drew an alignment I don't prefer" is not suitable mans to justify a replace-out to one's self, let alone to the community.

[Gentleman 6]

Why Lady 1 and Gent 6?

G6 says L1 is a type of player that he can read well.

pedit: Not really.

For the record I am not opposed to this but don't intend to act on such an inclination any time urgently soon.

[Gentleman 6]

My role this game is to sort my potential partner, then walk if needed. You know, or not make it to the actual dance and have my otherwise shitty reads come from confirmed dead town.

[Gentleman 6]

They are also roughly at the same level of town read for me

Not sure if insult, compliment, or bof.

[Gentleman 6]

G7 lock town

Why am I so high on your list?

[Gentleman 6]

Gentleman 6, who do you want to pair with?

I see this and am explicitly choosing to not answer it quite yet.

[Gentleman 6]

I think that people are ignoring Gentleman 6 as a potential option for being left out, and that they are doing so only because he is posting as opposed to G2 and G7, who have largely disappeared. Unless people are reading him primarily from his predecessor, I don't think that anything Gentleman 6 has posted so far elevates him all that much.

I can't really grasp G3's argument for Ghost 8 scum. It moreso seems like he just disagrees with reasons for her being townread (he's admitted as much)

Let me be clear:

what I've posted

so far has mainly been disagreeing with townreads. Not entirely, but mainly. That does not mean that my scumread is based only on disagreeing with townreads, merely that I have not said that much in support of myself yet.

I don't disagree that my ISO is fairly null at present.

I'm reacting "in the moment" while I do a slow re-read of the game before my replace-in.

Trying to leverage my prior owner's replace-out post to get reactions was really the only tool I had for immediate use.

There will be more later, although just from my replace in, I will concur in townreads on your slot.

[Gentleman 6]

Why are all the men so un-opinionated

Society pressure.

Being a single man is being an oppressed minority.

/s

(In the past i'd have left that out but 2020 says hi)

[Gentleman 6]

All I have to say is that lady Earth and Gent 6 are town and thus can be the endgaming pair

This is by far the spiciest take since my hot wings I had for lunch.

[Gentleman 6]

All I have to say is that lady Earth and Gent 6 are town and thus can be the endgaming pair

This is by far the spiciest take since my hot wings I had for lunch.

On me anyways, agree that Lady 5 is pretty damn town.

[Gentleman 6]

Funnily enough, I just realized that I don't like any of the pairs we have so far.

Do you mind if I ask which side of each pair is the unlikable bit? Or is it something inherent to the union itself?

[Gentleman 6]

Why does Gentleman 6 have to be paired? Actually, at the moment I think he may be the best Gentleman to leave out.

Disagree for fairly obvious reasons.

In any case, I don't think a Lady voluntarily choosing to not pair in order to get more flips is a good idea.

Agree.

Personally, as a group I suspect people who are already paired more than people who aren't, and anyone who would agree to that plan is already more likely to be town than not.

Maybe but now that you came out and said it, and it isn't likely to happen, we'll never know.

[Gentleman 6]

Ouch.

That has to hurt.

[Gentleman 6]

Guess post stuff before you get yeeted, but from the correct account.

[Gentleman 6]

I realize this may be hypocritical of me to say, but I think we should hold off on more offers until the Prince (G8) has decided.

What do you think about my preferred method of using my invite?

(I mean, others can answer this too but yeah)

[Gentleman 6]

I’d like to talk more with you directly about the removal of G6 btw, G3

Am I invited to my own funeral, or shall I butt out and go play in traffic i the meantime?

[Gentleman 6]

What do you think about my preferred method of using my invite?

What do you mean by this again?

That for the men left, instead of NOT pairing up, we pair up with people we feel can reed and pledge on penalty of kick that we yeet our partner if we don't arrive on a consensus town read on the other end.

Essentially, I am seriously debating joining with Lady 1 in the hemlock society, for both of our sakes.

[Gentleman 6]

Honestly, some people

I'm currently that super-dense liquid your high school chemistry teacher uses to make you guess wrong about float vs sink on the first week.

Don't expect super smart heads up play.

[Gentleman 6]

From what I know of the suicide mechanic in this game, it tends to hurt town far more than it helps it.

Have previously won this game by doing explicitly this.

[Gentleman 6]

From what I know of the suicide mechanic in this game, it tends to hurt town far more than it helps it.

Have previously won this game by doing explicitly this.

Errr, this type of setup, rather. Not this specific game variant.

[Gentleman 6]

Why does the suicide mechanic tend to hurt more than it helps?

The conventional answer is that mostly T-T pairs get egged on to suicide/paranoia.

[Gentleman 6]

G2, what makes you so confident on both me and G6?

G6 seems to be genuinely town struggling with names.

LMFAO

Okay man I kind of want to call this incredibly town now.

[Gentleman 6]

G2, what makes you so confident on both me and G6?

G6 seems to be genuinely town struggling with names.

LMFAO

Okay man I kind of want to call this incredibly town now.

[Gentleman 6]

i guess i'm just that charming?

I mean, if it codes female to me, then let's go!

[Gentleman 6]

I kind of "like" as much as you can like someone that wants you dead.

Welcome to me and G3.

[Gentleman 6]

if he came to conclusions based off of people's reactions there, I haven't seen them. He's been chatting a bit with people, but I haven't seen anything that strikes me as incredibly in-depth or only likely to come from town.

You haven't seen them because I have yet to post them.

I am trying to avoid the thing where one spends a long time catching up, only to have missed a lot of "in the moment" play, where I think is where I get my best data these days.

[Gentleman 6]

That's fair, but you'd also have to recognize that it's fair for me to scumread you given this, no?

Have I stated anything to the contrary?

[Gentleman 6]

I pretty much agree with G3's reasoning on G6, in that my mild reasons for town reading G2 and G7 are stronger than my even milder reasons for seeing G6 as town.

I personally hope L2 doesn't say yes to G4 and we send him down the river

Is this your incredibly obstinate way of proposing to me?

[Gentleman 6]

G6, what are your main reads/takes at the moment?

I'm townhunting, and leaving the catchup-read to future-me's problem tomorrow (IRL tomrorow that is)

Guy 3 is town. (I suspect I both know who he is, and don't know who is is at the same time and it vexes me)
Guy 2 is town. (Is nobody going to address that he's playing so carefree he didn't even notice I'm not the player who was having issues, even though I explicitly made it a part of my opening moves)
Lady 5 is town. (Do I really need to explain this one?)

I believe Lady 1 is best sorted by me in our lewd handholding dungeon, and am willing to commit to yeeting myself and her if I don't like the kinks.


I'm sure I'd have more reads if I went back and read the initial pages, and I will do so eventually, but those are the towns that strike my fancy right now.

[Gentleman 6]

This is where I wish I had meta

Me too, lass. Me too.

[Gentleman 6]

Ok, then I’m inclined to like G2 a little more.

What was this in reference to?

[Gentleman 6]

One thing I have observed from previous secret alt games is that players still fall back on their common biases. Just as in any regular game, the people who are bad at expressing themselves, the people who are "weird": they tend to be the first to go. People who are well-spoken, funny, or otherwise likeable tend to stick around regardless of the rest of their behavior.

As I've said before, this is part of the reason why I think people may be townreading Gentleman 6, or opposed to his being left out. I personally think he's much better spoken and less abrasive than either Gentleman 2 or Gentleman 7, and I imagine that everyone else would agree.

I myself

have already told him that I enjoy interacting with him more than I do either of the other unpaired Gentleman and would prefer to keep him alive if I had reasons to do so.


It's really easy to convince yourself that someone who isn't great at speaking, who has truly unorthodox thought patterns, or who is otherwise just awkward is scum. It's why the same people get eliminated early game after game. It's very easy to understand what I'm saying, but I think it's a lot harder to truly internalize that we all have biases against getting rid of people we like interacting with and recognize how that might shape your opinions. I don't claim to be much better than anyone else at it, but I think that recognizing it is an important first step.

This is not a bad observation, but I can be pleasant AND town.

You've just got to get there on your own terms, buckko.

[Gentleman 6]

One thing I have observed from previous secret alt games is that players still fall back on their common biases. Just as in any regular game, the people who are bad at expressing themselves, the people who are "weird": they tend to be the first to go. People who are well-spoken, funny, or otherwise likeable tend to stick around regardless of the rest of their behavior.

As I've said before, this is part of the reason why I think people may be townreading Gentleman 6, or opposed to his being left out. I personally think he's much better spoken and less abrasive than either Gentleman 2 or Gentleman 7, and I imagine that everyone else would agree.

I myself

have already told him that I enjoy interacting with him more than I do either of the other unpaired Gentleman and would prefer to keep him alive if I had reasons to do so.


It's really easy to convince yourself that someone who isn't great at speaking, who has truly unorthodox thought patterns, or who is otherwise just awkward is scum. It's why the same people get eliminated early game after game. It's very easy to understand what I'm saying, but I think it's a lot harder to truly internalize that we all have biases against getting rid of people we like interacting with and recognize how that might shape your opinions. I don't claim to be much better than anyone else at it, but I think that recognizing it is an important first step.

This is not a bad observation, but I can be pleasant AND town.

You've just got to get there on your own terms, buckko.

Also, consider that I could have already asked L1 to dance, and she'd have already accepted, without me even needing to hemlock society it.

<Self-Meta>
I think scum-me here replaces in and gambits using the fact that nobody knows how much experience I'd have, pretends to be new to the setup and immediately starts looking for pair up.
</Self-meta>

[Gentleman 6]

I do think Gentleman 2's posts have been quite awkward so far, but it doesn't seem to be super agenda pushy.

What do you think of G2 missing that I'm a replacement entirely?

[Gentleman 6]

What do you think of G2 missing that I'm a replacement entirely?

Idk. I thought he was referring back to scarf man. I do think it's quite generous to read someone based on the fact that they seemed to be struggling with names. Both town and scum can and would make that type of post(regarding names).

FWIW I agree, but I think talking about it ITT makes it ever so slightly town-lean... I think scum gets help in their PT before throwing their hands up.

Once again, though... BIAS!

...I wonder if the spectator thread has a betting pool on people's mains? Or if the scum PT has one, actually, would be more interesting.

[Gentleman 6]

Will sleep on it, but thinking operation Hemlock is a go... you probably get your wish, lady uno.

[Gentleman 6]

Oh and stonks of Lady 1 town are up slightly for still aggressively urging me to propose when I am flat out stating that I intend to yeet her at the slightest scumread.

K, bye for now~

[Gentleman 6]

Well, I got a whole one hour of sleep, awesome. Insomnia strikes again.

[Gentleman 6]

Hmm, site was down. Sign from above to try to go back to sleep. Didn't work. Here I am, reading the slog of the pages I missed.

[Gentleman 6]

Slept (for real this time) on it.

Lady 1, let us dance among the hemlock and the roses

[Gentleman 6]

I will ship the above forever.

[Gentleman 6]

dae feel like L1.cry g6.bowler is a depressing pairing

Y?

[Gentleman 6]

By this metric, I would like me/L2 and G9/L3 to endgame as of now. Maybe even the L4 pair because I don't really think her or G7 are scum.

Man you must HATE my pair then.

[Gentleman 6]

I am still pretty sure you are town!
Ghost girl kinda fell off the grid after getting a strong pairing which is exactly how i expect scum to react.

But I guess I'll see during dance 1.

I can't speak for the others, but I'm in this awkward phase waiting for the dance to start feeling like nothing to be done right now matters until we kick it off and have data.

I don't think it's particularly scum indicative; more... attention indicative?

[Gentleman 6]

I don't think the "he wrote his posts before entering the game" theory is a real good one

i don't think he wrote his posts before replacing in, i think he was following along closely enough that he had genuine reads prior to replacing in (and he just happened to write about them, regardless of his alignment)

he said he was following it. he claims he wasn't forming reads though, he was just trying to identify people. i don't entirely believe that, but it's why i don't care about his replace in so much as how he's going to form reads down the line

I mean, I've done explicitly this for games I think i'd be interested in replacing into.

Being ready-to-replace for games one misses in signups isn't that crazy of a thing to do, especially a game where the mechanics ensure that there's going to be an annoyingly high amount of replacements.

It is only extremely recently, that I've regained my faith in my ability to townhunt, after years of wandering through the darkness, so I'm trying to do that instead of the above. G3 sure is being tsundere to me about it, though.

[Gentleman 6]

I mean I hate my placement here but S+ and a mystery chest and key for the effort!

[Gentleman 6]

Also, do you think there's a world in which G2 is just flippant scum and completely ignores both the contents of my slot, as well as skips entire pages talking about my replace-in as scum? I'm not gonna hubris it up or anything, but I kind of feel like nobody worth shit as a scum player does that, especially when there's a PT they can use to catch up on events.

There's probably speculation about who is who in there, general guidance to not do so in the game be damned.

[Gentleman 6]

Because that's precisely why I want G2 to get another quarter in the arcade machine as we move on.

[Gentleman 6]

That's at Lady 7

All good, pretty sure everyone can undermean what you stood, it's not like my reads are particularly asked for or in high demand~

[Gentleman 6]

What are your reads?

At this point, I am trying to sort by pairs, and not solos. I'm working on a formalized reads list and then intend to denote which half of a pair I like better/worse... even though mechanically at this point it doesn't matter!

Since my last townreads list:

Guy 3 is town. (I suspect I both know who he is, and don't know who is is at the same time and it vexes me)
Guy 2 is town. (Is nobody going to address that he's playing so carefree he didn't even notice I'm not the player who was having issues, even though I explicitly made it a part of my opening moves)
Lady 5 is town. (Do I really need to explain this one?)

I have decided to add Lady 1 (tenative on PT sort), Lady 7 (Mostly for her early scumread of my slot's replaceout in post 336, amusingly enough), and Gentleman 1.

Most of those are from re-reading the part of the game that happened before I replaced in.

That gives me a town block that looks something like this (Assuming we see G2-L4):

Gentleman 9 - Lady 3
Gentleman 5 - Lady 8

Gentleman 1

-

Lady 7

Gentleman 8

-

Lady 5

Gentleman 3

-

Lady 3

Gentleman 6

-

Lady 1

Gentleman 4 - Lady 2

Gentleman 2

-

Lady 4

Essentially, I don't think that "proper" scumhunting is all that productive right now. I'd rather just find three town-town pairs and mass-hemlock the rest. (And I am mostly including myself in the hemlocking, not the three)

[Gentleman 6]

This is what I get for copy-pasting the pairings from his OP, eh?

[Gentleman 6]

timely manner

And here, society breaks down.

[Gentleman 6]

What are your reads?

At this point, I am trying to sort by pairs, and not solos. I'm working on a formalized reads list and then intend to denote which half of a pair I like better/worse... even though mechanically at this point it doesn't matter!

Since my last townreads list:

Guy 3 is town. (I suspect I both know who he is, and don't know who is is at the same time and it vexes me)
Guy 2 is town. (Is nobody going to address that he's playing so carefree he didn't even notice I'm not the player who was having issues, even though I explicitly made it a part of my opening moves)
Lady 5 is town. (Do I really need to explain this one?)

I have decided to add Lady 1 (tenative on PT sort), Lady 7 (Mostly for her early scumread of my slot's replaceout in post 336, amusingly enough), and Gentleman 1.

Most of those are from re-reading the part of the game that happened before I replaced in.

That gives me a town block that looks something like this (Assuming we see G2-L4):

Gentleman 9 - Lady 3
Gentleman 5 - Lady 8

Gentleman 1

-

Lady 7

Gentleman 8

-

Lady 5

Gentleman 3

-

Lady 3

Gentleman 6

-

Lady 1

Gentleman 4 - Lady 2

Gentleman 2

-

Lady 4

Essentially, I don't think that "proper" scumhunting is all that productive right now. I'd rather just find three town-town pairs and mass-hemlock the rest. (And I am mostly including myself in the hemlocking, not the three)

OK. I'm scratching my head at you being unable to townread either of me or Ghosty 8, or Gent 9 and Lady 3

We approach the game very differently. I am unable to really see things from the POV as you're seeing them, but that's okay!

Lady 3 I have a specific concern I am choosing not to elaborate on right now.

Gent 9 I guess just, on my re-read, didn't really leave a impression on me that made it a town-lean.

I expect these reads to fluctuate as time goes on.

I don't expect to be around for the final few pairings.

[Gentleman 6]

What made you add Gentleman 1?

As I stated, I replace din after the "townslip" and doing the... meta... now that we know who gentleman 1 was at that point in time, I feel it's a legit townslip... which is good enough for now.

What is it that one of the oldtimers... DGB maybe.. says?

Town enters the thread ready to play.

Scum enters the thread having already discussed how to win.

[Gentleman 6]

This playerlist is fun I'm kidnapping all of you after the game

The great thing about anon player lists... for all we know we are mortal enemies and would NEVER play with "THAT" person, but here we are having a blast mostly drama-free.

The downside is with all these replacements, I don't dare ask anyone I know that might be interested to replace in... for what should be obvious reasons.

[Gentleman 6]

Hi Mr. tsundere.

Let me know when your dere-dere side is ready to try and understand my POV.

[Gentleman 6]

Hi Mr. tsundere.

Let me know when your dere-dere side is ready to try and understand my POV.

To my knowledge, I haven't been ignoring you. I've never agreed with the philosophy I've occasionally seen where people ignore their scumreads. Apologies if I've missed something you said.

I'm unsure if this is what you're implying, but I feel as though I should say that thinking that someone is the likeliest candidate for scum and not trying to understand their point of view are not the same thing. They're almost opposites, actually.

What exactly would you like me to hear?

I seem to have mistaken you for a player who likes to townblock and sync up, my request is retracted. I was hoping to have you convince me of my own townreads (minus the one on your slot for what I hope is an obvious reason) and see if we couldn't get you a better feel for my play in the process.

[Gentleman 6]

To give you the answer you are looking for I think people are more likely to town read their partner due to the consequences associated with accidentally bombing a town partner.

And I feel like I myself feel the opposite!

[Gentleman 6]

Hi Mr. tsundere.

Let me know when your dere-dere side is ready to try and understand my POV.

To my knowledge, I haven't been ignoring you. I've never agreed with the philosophy I've occasionally seen where people ignore their scumreads. Apologies if I've missed something you said.

I'm unsure if this is what you're implying, but I feel as though I should say that thinking that someone is the likeliest candidate for scum and not trying to understand their point of view are not the same thing. They're almost opposites, actually.

What exactly would you like me to hear?

I seem to have mistaken you for a player who likes to townblock and sync up, my request is retracted. I was hoping to have you convince me of my own townreads (minus the one on your slot for what I hope is an obvious reason) and see if we couldn't get you a better feel for my play in the process.

Further, how do YOU think this setup is best played mechanically given the pairings we are stuck with?

Traditional vote-out players/pairs?


Mass hemlock down to three universally read T-T pairs?

Something else?

Geopolitical warfare?

[Gentleman 6]

What made you add Gentleman 1?

As I stated, I replace din after the "townslip" and doing the... meta... now that we know who gentleman 1 was at that point in time, I feel it's a legit townslip... which is good enough for now.

What is it that one of the oldtimers... DGB maybe.. says?

Town enters the thread ready to play.

Scum enters the thread having already discussed how to win.

I did already here. It's not much more than that as of yet.

I think it's good enough for now, for me.

YMMV

[Gentleman 6]

I'm not sure if I should feel insulted here or not, but I get the vague feeling that I am being insulted.

You aren't.

I had a feeling you were a particular playstyle, but you aren't and that's okay.

That play style died when the 2012/2013 cohort mostly left the site. I had hoped you were one of the few remainders.

Not really sure this meta-playstyle talk is achieving anything, so I'll drop it.

[Gentleman 6]

I'm not sure if I should feel insulted here or not, but I get the vague feeling that I am being insulted.

You aren't.

I had a feeling you were a particular playstyle, but you aren't and that's okay.

That play style died when the 2012/2013 cohort mostly left the site. I had hoped you were one of the few remainders.

Not really sure this meta-playstyle talk is achieving anything, so I'll drop it.

I'm just kind of frustrated because I had a "After all these years?" glimmer of hope and it was dashed on the rocks.

[Gentleman 6]

Our marriage is going to be incredibly dysfunctional and kinky, Lady the 1st.

...Kinda hot.

[Gentleman 6]

I'm not sure if I should feel insulted here or not, but I get the vague feeling that I am being insulted.

You aren't.

I had a feeling you were a particular playstyle, but you aren't and that's okay.

That play style died when the 2012/2013 cohort mostly left the site. I had hoped you were one of the few remainders.

Not really sure this meta-playstyle talk is achieving anything, so I'll drop it.

Hopefully, we can connect up in dance phase 1 if you'd like, I've been sitting in the thread in hopes of finding someone I can bounce ideas off of as that's my prefered style of play.
Unfortunately, I just don't town read you very much which is a shame since you apparently would want to be that player for me :/

Sometimes bouncing your reads and getting reactions to unseen event sin real time is a good way to firm up a read on players. I'm no exception.

It is KILLING me inside to not be able to cite specific past examples of this working.

[Gentleman 6]

Our marriage is going to be incredibly dysfunctional and kinky, Lady the 1st.

...Kinda hot.

If I was choosing a dance partner based on reads alone I'd probably have asked you stay out.

Good thing I would've hated partnering with someone who had the same reads with me.

If only we had our own private club to hash it out and fight and hone reads. That'd be pretty swell, lass.

Can't wait.

[Gentleman 6]

Sometimes bouncing your reads and getting reactions to unseen event sin real time is a good way to firm up a read on players. I'm no exception.

It is KILLING me inside to not be able to cite specific past examples of this working.

Frankly whenever I try and play like that the only people who work together with me are scum which ends up just making me play worse.
Which is a real shame really, people just like playing mafia solo now

I paired up with G1 because he seemed like someone who would appreciate me trying to do that and he also town slipped, if he wasn't actually newb town I'd use the PT to try and break him to realize he was lying to me. Guess I can hope my new partner likes to play like that. (╥_╥)

Given you now know who G1 was... and can cross-reference past play, how do YOU feel about the townslip in question? To me, it solidified.

[Gentleman 6]

Given you now know who G1 was... and can cross-reference past play, how do YOU feel about the townslip in question? To me, it solidified.

He always radiated newb town energy, which is why I wanted to pair up with him.
I can see how other people wouldn't trust that, but pretending to be a newb and needing to stay consistent with that just sounds like an insufferable way to play so I never questioned it.

I am of this opinion as well.

Why do you think people are sitting here calling G1 scummy?

Do you place any value in those scumreads?

[Gentleman 6]

I don't want to hard defend someone all game and end up being wrong when people are telling me not to do it. It isn't making me think he is scum but it's making me think I should just depend on another pair and leave at some point so I can feel guilt free regarding this games result.

Unfortunately, if everyone feels this way it's not much of a game, now is it?

[Gentleman 6]

I guess you aren't wrong on this.

Be the change you want to see in the world!

[Gentleman 6]

and possibly L1/G6 for consideration as well

Due to her, me, or both?

I don't think I've seen you unpack a read on me besides "He's maybe town but could be fooling me hard", unless I missed a major post from you?

The evolution of your read on me best I can tell was starting slightly south of the border and moving up at a snail's pace over the past 24 hours.

[Gentleman 6]

I just get queasy

Not my intention, but I don't think directly engaging you on this is going to change your feelings on the matter. If you feel otherwise, let me know.

I feel like this game is a major mish-mash of play styles and finding your ideological twins is going to be an important part of the game state as time goes on... even if those players are not your dance partner. Or in some cases, especially because they aren't.

[Gentleman 6]

That's a fair sentiment.

I think getting to that phase of the game is what almost everyone is waiting for.

I will say that as I've said before, Dancegames are best approached IMO from townblocking and not scumhunting.

Sorry if I end up disappointing you on that!

[Gentleman 6]

In 13 or more players, yeah. In micros, nah.

My ideal town block size is 6 in a 16-20 player game... But in this case it has to be a specific six, which is to say, three pairs and that makes it way harder.

Here's hoping we mosey on along to the next phase of the game soon (I'd love to wake up to it).... and then we can shake that out.

[Gentleman 6]

Do you intend to just tuxedo mask yourself away..?

[Gentleman 6]

So when I replaced in, IIRC there were four unpaired males.


Gentleman 6
Gentleman 8
Gentleman 2
Gentleman 7


WIth 7's flip, and 8 being the IC, I sort of want to go back and see who pushed for myself to be excluded, just as much as people who pushed for 7 over 2.

[Gentleman 6]

It really does feel like G7 was apathetic in the last 24 hours.

If there was a "turn and burn, give up and bus" time, it was probably around then.

[Gentleman 6]

Pretty null. I don't really share G3's reasons for being suspicious of him, but he's done quite literally nothing and his last pop-in involved saying "we should look at this" without actually looking at that, which I don't like.

Then you'll absolutely hate me popping in again here to say that while I am reading the thread, engaging while actually at my desk at work is incredibly risky.

I actually intended to do a pretty fancy writeup of each of my town reads and my reasons for them last night, and then my youngin decided to NOT go the fuck to sleep... and then proceed to wake up about an hour after she did go down to repeat the cycle.

I've been working today like a zombie. A very.. tired... zombie.

I hope to have serious time to engage with my reads and bounce them off of people either late tonight, or tomorrow morning.

[Gentleman 6]

that's fair enough, I hope to engage with you when you have the time

Yeah sorry. Phoneposting at work is not very good. I had to make that big post from the hallway.

I too wish to engage, it is hard finding the right person to sync with.

A lot of my frustrations this game have been due to major playstyle differences.

Anyways, I'll be here watching, just not engaging unless something urgently needs my attention.

[Gentleman 6]

I am home. Kiddo is down.

Going to grab dinner, then sit down and finally start real-posting.

[Gentleman 6]

I am waiting for the G6.Anime catch up now since he was my other scum read I've been waiting on.

Hi.

I accidentally went from "Snuggle the wife asleep, there's NO WAY I'll fall asleep with her" to "Oh fucking hell it's 2AM and you need to go catch up, wake the fuck up idiot" thoughts.


So here I am. I wanted to start by outlining my current townblock, in forms of a tierlist. Along with deeply passionate cases for each. So I'll do that.

[Gentleman 6]

First off… I intend to treat each player individually, then go back and see what that makes the pairings look like.

I think trying to sort pairs in and of themselves as of yet is a trap. A very shiny trap, but a trap none the less. I’ll be going into details per tier next. What sucks is that even tier D isn't inherently a scum read. Just less town pinging. This game is really pleasant to the ears and eyes... such that I'm finding it hard to form reads from the opposite end.

Tier S+ “Uh, setup says Hi”

{Gent the 8th, Gent the 6th}

Tier S “If this person is not town, I really hope I’m not around to make endgame calls”

{Lady the 5th, Lady the 7th}

Tier A “I currently have no plans to vote here, barring major changes in game state”

{Gent the 9th, Lady the 6th, Lady the 3rd, Lady the 8th}

~~~~~~Line of Townblock Invitation~~~~~

Tier B “I have the desire to townblock and or nuzzle this person, with a few reservations that I’d love you all to help me with”

{Gent the 2nd, Lady the 1st, Gent the 1st}

Tier C “I have no plans to townblock this person, but I am open to hearing from others in A and S tiers about why I should change my opinions”

{Gent the 3rd, Gent the 5th, Gent the 4th}

Tier D “I find no reasons to put this person near a townblock”

{Lady the 4th, Lady the 2nd}


~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~



Coloring townblock vs not Green vs Blue gives me...

Gentleman 9 - Lady 3

Gentleman 5

-

Lady 8

Gentleman 1

-

Lady 7

Gentleman 8 - Lady 5

Gentleman 3

-

Lady 6

Gentleman 6

-

Lady 1
Gentleman 4 - Lady 2
Gentleman 2 - Lady 4

As such, I believe 9-3 and 8-5 should be two of the three endgame pairings.

Ideally, we need one more SOLID pairing though. Time to start digging into specifics....

[Gentleman 6]

Tier S+ “Uh, setup says Hi”
{Gent the 8th, Gent the 6th}

That's right, I'm going to actually towncase myself. I'd say "deal with it" but I suppose this one is gonna get skipped. Assuming you read literally nothing of the current-me's as town indicative, there's still one HUGE marker towards "The player who overwhelm-replaced is genuine in their inexperience and replace-out reasoning" that seems to be getting severely glossed over or flat out hasn't been considered yet.

That is to say... this global rule:

Spoiler:

Subject: A Gentle Reminder about Replacement Rules

A Reminder of Replacement Rules:

Due to a recent uptick in reports regarding public discussion of replacements coupled with an influx of returning members, we would like to provide a brief reminder about the rule change as of April 2019 that we have made regarding replacements.

3. Replacements, while sometimes necessary, also serve as an outside influence. As such, do not tell other players to replace out. Do not publicly threaten to replace out of a game. If you do need to replace out, do not publicly discuss your reasons or anything else, as you are no longer a player in the game. PM your game moderator if you are considering replacing out or have concerns and believe another player should be replaced out.

4. Once a replace-out request has been made public by the moderator, the player replacing out is to stop posting in the game. The player is not allowed to replace back into the game or rescind their request. If a moderator wants to allow any deviation from these rules, it must be stated explicitly in their rule set.

We have been lenient with reminders/notifications instead of official warnings over the previous year as the site adjusted to these changes. This PSA serves as a public notification that we will not be lenient moving forward. To simplify things:

1.

All

replacement requests (replacing in or replacing out) must be done via PM with your moderator. Once the moderator has acknowledged (publicly or privately) that your replace out request has been received, you may not rescind the request. There are no exceptions to this rule.
2. Telling other players to replace out is strictly prohibited.
3. Publicly threatening to replace out of a game is strictly prohibited.
4. After you have sent the replacement request to the mod, or the mod notifies you that you are being replaced, you may not post in the game thread.

This is not an attempt to prohibit replacing out of games. The purpose of this rule is to eliminate metagaming, whether it is by making threats of replacing out to create the impression of emotional distress or by telling someone to leave the game to do the same. As we have stated in other public announcements, mafia functions on a social contract. Faking out-of-game emotional reactions to manipulate other players is similar to faking out-of-game personal crises for the purpose of manipulation. We expect our players to treat each other with basic decency. Everyone is here to play a game. Social manipulation will take place within the context of the game. There is enough ugliness in the world already, let's not create more in this space for the purpose of a minor edge within a game at the expense of other's emotional well-being.

If a game moderator wishes to deviate from these rules, it

must

be explicitly stated in their rule set. Implications of a rule change do not count.

Frequently Asked Questions:

Q: What if the game moderator force-replaces me but I want to replace back into the slot?
A: You must PM the moderator.

Q: What if it's in their rule set that I am allowed to replace back in if a replacement hasn't been found yet?
A: Unless their rule set explicitly states that you may post in the thread after you have been notified that you are being force-replaced, you may not post in the thread.

Q: What if someone is causing me real emotional distress?
A: If someone is creating a hostile environment in game, outside of the normal bounds of mafia, report their posts.

Any player that has been here for some time is going to be aware of this rule. Does an established or otherwise knowledgable player risk the global "no public replaces rule" JUST to replace out with towncred? I know I certainly can't sit here and say that such a trade would ever be worth it in my book.

And yet, here's my predecessor doing just that:

I'm overwhelmed by the amount of posts and the alt names and I'm going to replace out, as opposed to struggling through this. I bit off more than I could chew (this is my second game), I need to ease into some micros or something before I try another large theme game. Good luck everyone, I hope everyone slays it (it being mafia) on the dance floor! Hopefully since we're only a few hours into the game, my replacement won't have too much trouble catching up.

[Gentleman 6]

ngl I'm gonna numb my brain and avoid thinking about or rereading a playing-while-leaving replacement cause it's the dirty stuff and I prefer to try to earn cleaner wins

We live in reality, unfortunately.

[Gentleman 6]

Tier S “If this person is not town, I really hope I’m not around to make endgame calls”
{Lady the 5th, Lady the 7th}

Firstly, to Lady the 5th.

Spoiler:

I think enough has been said about the way in which she approached pairing with the IC not as a forgone conclusion, but as a natural formation. That all bodes town. But to me, the biggest reasoning for this is a sense of flippancy that I get. This person is town, doesn't care what anyone thinks otherwise, and isn't afraid to show it. (I'd be talking about which players this reminds me of but that's main speculation, so I won't)

Post 581, in particular, is something I could have seen myself posting, about how apathy is an incredibly strong scum tool and people feeling like they'e on the outside is a terrible marker towards an eventual town win. 631 feels incredibly genuine frustration... I don't think mafia-L5 sits there and complains about the IC's attention.

I could go on, but I think this is is a near-global consensus so I won't~

Next, Lady the 7th.

Spoiler:

Coming right out the gate with setup optimal play discussion SHOULD technically be null, but I don't feel it is in this case. Had I been around in the opening, this is effectively the plan I would have posted or endorsed. It puts a lot of pressure on the confirmed town, but it also gives wiggle room to avoid a scum-scum pairing shenanigans. It is still technically what I hope for by the start of dance 2 phase, with two couples left of the initial 3-solve. If you take away the avatar and names for a second, I feel like post 24 is also something I could have typed out myself. And post 44 echoes me as well. I wouldn't normally put such stock in "oh this is posts I'd make" but literally nothing sense has given me anything but a sense of nodding along that this is a town slot with a capital T. Opining on other pairings super early (And outright telling them to reject it, cold blooded) also doesn't strike me as something scum-L7 has any reason to do. Just like Lady the 5th, nothing since those initial posts has been anything other than townposting.

[Gentleman 6]

it's probably rough for you to be playing this game on what's frankly a normal schedule when a lot of it is getting played live/near live but contributing on reasoning for the pivotal possible endgame slots like L8 and G1 could really improve our win percent.

It's currently several hours past midnight here. I woke up intentionally to make these posts and am going to be a zombie at work tomorrow because the game deserved the time I promised it when I replaced in. I'm using speech-to-text android auto during my hour long commutes each way to dump my raw thoughts into my PT with Lady the 1st for now, so that I don't forget them. I find it good to just put the raw thoughts somewhere permanent. Forces me to be real about my feelings in a way that's hard to describe.

Having a young one in the house during the time of Covid does not make for a very nice mafia-playing schedule. Hence why I've been sort of all over the place.

I'm not very convinced I'll be alive in endgame. I think these effort-posts being confirmed town from an eventual flip of my slot is going to be very important towards the town win rate odds.

[Gentleman 6]

oh wow you're gonna go do everybody ok

Yes, but probably the other half in a few.

I got the list itself out, I can do the rest of the breakdowns and takes in about 5 hours. Tomorrow (well, it's today now) is a work from home day... many fewer preying eyes to worry about.

[Gentleman 6]

...Three hours of sleep really was not enough, but whatever.

I'm back in live reaction and tinypost mode, the rest of my readsposting can be done tonight when I'm back off duty.

Probably about 8ish hours from now.

[Gentleman 6]

I want you to know I risked the bossman's rulers for this shitpost. Back to work now.

[Gentleman 6]

Do you think there's a non-neglible number of players that consistently posts more (and what they're posting isn't fluff) as scum rather than town?

That would technically be me, on my main.
I'm not sure that there's that many others that still play that subscribe to the "beat town via noise" strategy being a viable option. That said, given this is a secret alt game, who knows how many other old fossils are here with me.

But everyone this game to some degree looks town.

That really is the problem, isn't it? It's why my reads are done by approaching from the top not the bottom.

I have reasons to townread every slot in this game to some minute degree.

[Gentleman 6]

It's okay L1, I still wuv you.

We can go back to brooding in our PT together for a while.

[Gentleman 6]

I will admit, I hoped you would see the slippage of Mr. the 3rd in my list and engage me on it, Lady the 7th. But now's no longer the time, work is quite the busy beaver.

[Gentleman 6]

I've been biting my own tongue trying to not come to the same conclusion quite frankly.

As I told lady the 1st in our chat yesterday on my drive home, it's a very unsettling feeling, almost like his posts are engineered to drive conversation about his play style a very specific direction, and away from any actual analysis of recent events.

It gives me very icky goosebumps... but it very well COULD be mere paranoia. I'll probably dive more deeply into it when I'm in effort post and not live post mode. It is SO GODDAMN HARD to do it without being able to cite examples though.

[Gentleman 6]

As I told lady the 1st in our chat yesterday on my drive home, it's a very unsettling feeling, almost like his posts are engineered to drive conversation about his play style a very specific direction, and away from any actual analysis of recent events.

This feels like the generic reason that everybody is using to scumread him.
I remember times where he was engaged with current events like his thoughts on G9 when he and L7 were arguing and when he was talking about L4 after the G7 flip.

It's more than that but it's not something I have time for at the moment.

Most you you lot have WAY more time on hand than I do... I feel old.

[Gentleman 6]

If "coasting" were guy the 3rds only crime, then we'd just as easily string up a few other slots such as lady the 2nd, as was noted.

But I feel it's more than that. Hopefully a re-read focusing on his slot in particular will prove to either calm or focus my fears.

[Gentleman 6]

I quite fear that in some ways we've collectively become the dog who caught up with the car it was chasing.

[Gentleman 6]

I quite fear that in some ways we've collectively become the dog who caught up with the car it was chasing.

To elaborate, the dog who catches the car doesn't know what to do and is indecisive about the next step... they were focused on chasing it.

I feel like a few players got G7 and are now really unsure of how to proceed, i feel a touch of.. awkwardness? Probably not the right emotion but regardless, in the air. I partially include myself in that list.

[Gentleman 6]

could you explain? I’m trying to piece together what the logic might be and am drawing a blank

I was thinking that scum wouldn't try to stretch the logic that far in trying to prove themselves town. He was referencing the old G6's replace out and I don't think scum would try to use that as a defense.

I’ll wait to see if I agree until G6 responds to my rebuttal then, as I think that’s important to interpreting the logic

The implication is that scum either makes that post in their scum PT instead of the main thread, or has their hopefully one non-lurksack (since we know G7 was a lurksack) partner helping them and doesn't feel as overwhelmed.

[Gentleman 6]

btw where’s G6’s continuation of his reads

If this game wans't moving so fast to be considered chaotic, I'd accuse you of not having read the several posts I made addressing that I play this game two different ways due to my IRL obligations and time distribution.

Here, I have gone ahead and quoted the relevant posts in my ISO for ya.

I am waiting for the G6.Anime catch up now since he was my other scum read I've been waiting on.

Hi.

I accidentally went from "Snuggle the wife asleep, there's NO WAY I'll fall asleep with her" to "Oh fucking hell it's 2AM and you need to go catch up, wake the fuck up idiot" thoughts.


So here I am. I wanted to start by outlining my current townblock, in forms of a tierlist. Along with deeply passionate cases for each. So I'll do that.

it's probably rough for you to be playing this game on what's frankly a normal schedule when a lot of it is getting played live/near live but contributing on reasoning for the pivotal possible endgame slots like L8 and G1 could really improve our win percent.

It's currently several hours past midnight here. I woke up intentionally to make these posts and am going to be a zombie at work tomorrow because the game deserved the time I promised it when I replaced in. I'm using speech-to-text android auto during my hour long commutes each way to dump my raw thoughts into my PT with Lady the 1st for now, so that I don't forget them. I find it good to just put the raw thoughts somewhere permanent. Forces me to be real about my feelings in a way that's hard to describe.

Having a young one in the house during the time of Covid does not make for a very nice mafia-playing schedule. Hence why I've been sort of all over the place.

I'm not very convinced I'll be alive in endgame. I think these effort-posts being confirmed town from an eventual flip of my slot is going to be very important towards the town win rate odds.

...Three hours of sleep really was not enough, but whatever.

I'm back in live reaction and tinypost mode, the rest of my readsposting can be done tonight when I'm back off duty.

Probably about 8ish hours from now.

[Gentleman 6]

thanks for both quoting those and giving me the benefit of the doubt

For what it's worth to be perfectly clear, that wasn't sarcasm and I genuinely AM giving you the benefit of the doubt.


This game moves so quickly it is incredibly easy to miss evens or smaller parts of posts. It's why I am sort of playing the game twice, so to speak. Once in live mode, then once in effort post wall mode.


To focus on one or the other exclusively is to stagnate.

[Gentleman 6]

Two more hours of an epic deathmatch between me and my work phone line. Then I go back into wallposting mode, while I cook dinner.

[Gentleman 6]

I picked Lady this round because I was curious who would end up asking me as I've played Gentleman in other dance games

Hmm, I haven't even thought about if choosing one or the other changes anything about how I feel about players this game. I've always been a gent, both as a replacement and starting slot in these sorts of setups.

It's obviously not alignment indicative as lady v gent was chosen before alignments were handed out... but do you feel discussion of it is worthwhile regardless?

[Gentleman 6]

I am done with work, but am utterly exhausted. Probably won't be for another few hours, for my effort posting time tonight... Guessing i'll have at most an hour, should be able to do at least one more, MAYBE two more tierposts.

When I get to the next set of them I'd love to spend some time with lady the 8th talking about the specifics of the "towntell" that gentleman the 9th exhibited and how it compares to a scum gambit attempt to do the same for cred. Spoiler alert, as a heavy gambiting player, there's enough differences between the reality we live in and the optimal way to have played it for me to take it at face value for now.

[Gentleman 6]

You want to talk to me about Gent 9's 'towntell'?

Yeah, actually.

I am approaching from a "What would I do if I were scum in this setup" and if I were going to misread-the-setup gambit I'd sure as hell not have done it this way.

There's quite a bit of potential downside to misreading the setup ploys. If you are going to use it, you want to use it early, cash some towncred within the first phase (pre-dance) and use that to gain a partner. Making "scumreads" based upon it seems like incredibly high risk... and I'm not a risk adverse gambiter by any means, but there's no upside here. The potential gains form this gambit is entry to the dance if you expected not to make it. However, he was literally in the dance by page 5. Why continue this gambit with no new upsides for nearly another 90 pages of fast-paced content?


As for the "Well, what if he's scum and just flat out misread the setup" then to believe that reality, you have to go along that:

A: The other scum never discussed optimal play for this setup
B: Guy the 9th never planed for optimal play in the setup in his scum PT
C: Guy the 9th never asked about the setup spec the town was doing in the PT


I just don't buy A B and C happening simultaneously this far into the game, even though we flipped a total lurksack in guy the 7th. If for some reason this is true, the third hypothetical partner would also be a lurksack, or flying under the radar/coasting, in Guy the 3rd, Guy the 2nd, or something of the like. And I get the feeling guy the 3rd could be ruled out as a partner here because a scumteam with guy the 3rd on it has a university master's thesis paper on playing the setup optimally on it the day he replaced in.

[Gentleman 6]

if i say i understand what was written in #2698, will people think im smart or will people

correctly

think im lying?

Yomi level 3, my liege. Yomi level 3.

[Gentleman 6]

I'll be real, I only have town cases this game.

This game is too goddamn pleasant and wholesome. We need some death grudges to really make it feel like mafiascum.net and not carebearpplayland.edu

[Gentleman 6]

Lady the 7th, do you think guy the 2nd is simply unmotivated? Or why do you characterize it as not trying?

[Gentleman 6]

Can we get another vote on G2-L4 tho

That’s the real question

I was going to wait until guy the second had started content posting in the hopes that it'll either be confirmed town reads or interactions with wifom.

I'd also like to have more time to wfdoetpost but one elim does not the game phase end.

But that relies on guy the 2nd showing up more often.

[Gentleman 6]

wfdoetpost

Huh?

Effort post. Autocorrect and I are not on great speaking terms.

[Gentleman 6]

Is it bad that I really wish guy the second was scum because the game would effectively be solved after that?

Eh. It probably is.

[Gentleman 6]

Is it bad that I really wish guy the second was scum because the game would effectively be solved after that?

Eh. It probably is.

To be clear this is because there was a voice expliclty pushing for guy the second and guy the seventh to make it and for me to not.

[Gentleman 6]

Fine, you wore me down.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Guy The 2nd and Lady The 4th

[Gentleman 6]

I am hesitatingly surprised that we've had little to no inter-couple walkout fights in the thread. (I won't kinkshame what y'all do in your PTs)

[Gentleman 6]

G6 are you intentionally changing styling up so ctrl - fing your iso would be harder

What are you talking about?

[Gentleman 6]

Fast notation on my phone, but long form the notation on a keyboard. Using the long form helps me anchor who is who.

[Gentleman 6]

Morning, ladies and gents.

I'm re-reading the rules and setup and see no mention of prods.... Are they just not a thing this game?

But then I look at activity overview and Gentleman the 3rd has last posted a day and a half ago... not even in the usual 48 hour prod range in games usually.


This game just moves so fast that 36 hours feels like an eternity.

[Gentleman 6]

MFW we're in a lull at work but my bossman sits next to me so I can't do anything other than quickpost.

[Gentleman 6]

I have a one hour lunch break, and you all know what that means, activity levels be damned...

Tier A “I currently have no plans to vote here, barring major changes in game state”

{Gent the 9th, Lady the 6th} (AM demoting Lady the 3rd and Lady the 8th down to tier A- because Gent the 9th and Lady the 6th deserve their own higher spot)

Spoiler: Gent the 9th

I think most of what I have for town reading this slot has been covered by prior posts of mine, so don't mind me lazily quoting them back in here...

You want to talk to me about Gent 9's 'towntell'?

Yeah, actually.

I am approaching from a "What would I do if I were scum in this setup" and if I were going to misread-the-setup gambit I'd sure as hell not have done it this way.

There's quite a bit of potential downside to misreading the setup ploys. If you are going to use it, you want to use it early, cash some towncred within the first phase (pre-dance) and use that to gain a partner. Making "scumreads" based upon it seems like incredibly high risk... and I'm not a risk adverse gambiter by any means, but there's no upside here. The potential gains form this gambit is entry to the dance if you expected not to make it. However, he was literally in the dance by page 5. Why continue this gambit with no new upsides for nearly another 90 pages of fast-paced content?


As for the "Well, what if he's scum and just flat out misread the setup" then to believe that reality, you have to go along that:

A: The other scum never discussed optimal play for this setup
B: Guy the 9th never planed for optimal play in the setup in his scum PT
C: Guy the 9th never asked about the setup spec the town was doing in the PT


I just don't buy A B and C happening simultaneously this far into the game, even though we flipped a total lurksack in guy the 7th. If for some reason this is true, the third hypothetical partner would also be a lurksack, or flying under the radar/coasting, in Guy the 3rd, Guy the 2nd, or something of the like. And I get the feeling guy the 3rd could be ruled out as a partner here because a scumteam with guy the 3rd on it has a university master's thesis paper on playing the setup optimally on it the day he replaced in.

There are a few minor other points in favor of townreading Sir the 9th. One of the most recent was this post:

G6 are you intentionally changing styling up so ctrl - fing your iso would be harder

Which is what I got instead of any sort of acknowledgement of the towncase I'd just made (see above) for him. If you're scum and somebody is advocating for you hard, do you really poke them on minor technicality bullshit?

Spoiler: Lady the 6th

Lady the 6th (Who I really wish would walk into a club~) is tone-towning. As far as concrete reasons to townread her, I have these:

1. She latched onto Guy the 1st's "Townslip" by poking holes on it then forcing others to commit one way or the other.
2. This read did not change several pages later even as the general consensus was to accept it as a townslip or townleaning-action and move on
3. As early as the 300s, she is taking charge and actively trying to shape other pairings
4. I don't think post 650 happens as partners with Guy the 7th. Not when you could easily go back and "I like the recent posts from guy the 7th, and now accept"
Sidebar... Post 789 sure is prophetic:

Personally, if I had complete control I'd probably put you with G8 and then have Lady 1/Gent 6 pair up. And then Gent 4/Lady 2, and maybe Gent 2/Lady 4? Those last ones are a bit tentative but I think those are my pairings.

5. The incredibly delicate and deliberate way of talking about Guy the 3rds post in their PT is like "I will stay out of his lines of questioning" in a way she doesn't have to do in any world where she's mafia.

I really REALLY hope i can have my fears about guy the 3rd assured so that I can send this woman to endgame.

[Gentleman 6]

I am not even arguing he is town, I think we have insufficient information to make that call. And the posts of a struggling individual are always going to turn up "yucky".

I don't particularly disagree with this.

I say this as somebody who took a while to start his deliveries of actual content.

My stones will find plenty of glass walls. I like the case itself, and the timing thereof, as yet another townread reason for lady the 6th. She is not content to merely wait around or case the probable flips that will occur of 4/2 and 2/4.

[Gentleman 6]

my eyes are just glazing over so many posts here tbh

This is one of those games that you have to play twice to stay up-to-date on.

[Gentleman 6]

ah crap I literally just said in my PT how happy I was that we weren't getting any more replacements from people main slipping That's you lady the 6th is it not

[Gentleman 6]

I think we just accidentally clubbed a seal to death and that makes me sad

[Gentleman 6]

I guess there's no sense worrying about it now nothing we can do.

[Gentleman 6]

that wasn't me

uh I don't necessarily NEED to wait for G3 I suppose

but he was strongly town reading L4 so I'm like kinda interested in how he reacts to this wagon?

I know this may come as a surprise but thank arceus whoever you are for not being beeboy.


I believe you, whoever you really are, are going to be one of if not the most pivotal slots in this game if we are to secure a town victory.

[Gentleman 6]

yum yum this is very good for my ego

It's mostly because of your pairing with Guy the 3rd, and how I need to be able to entrust you with the final call on him after I'm gone. If I'm gone.

[Gentleman 6]

Okay let's not let this happen again. I wish to utilize this games mechanic and the fact that we left out a scum to future proof everyone a little bit...

[Gentleman 6]

Last Living Slot Owner Wills and Testaments

I am proposing that everyone take time, once every 24 hours or so, to post a last will and testiment of your thoughts to your dance partner PT.

You never know when an alt slip will occur, and data that you may not have laid down in the thread then vanishes from the game. And that's terrible.

I propose something like the following example:

example

This is the last will and testament of the second owner of Guy the 6th. I replaced in on post 674. This post is accurate as of post XYZ. My reads are {list here}. I have a theory that the scumteam is {X,Y,Z} and while I have not expressed it in the thread, I also think that {spicy hot take here} .

I will be taking some time to make one up in my own PT tonight.

[Gentleman 6]

Something similar to this method was game-clenching last run... we should utilize it to full effect.

[Gentleman 6]

I mean, we'd explicitly not be allowed to quote it into the main thread on penalty of modkill given the rules on quoting from other sources... but I see no reason how it isn't relevant and valid play, since technically we're writing the will to our dance partner.

[Gentleman 6]

those notes

The notes in question, for anyone who didn't do the research or play the last iteration:

Hi Replacement Lady 2,

Sorry for the short notice and having you replace into this game a day prior to full deadline. It is unfortunate but I have absolutely unavoidable V/LA. I had hoped that the game could be ended today but that doesn't look plausible at this point.

We're Town, obviously. There are two remaining scum out of the rest of the living players minus the IC - I'll use G# for Gentleman and L# for Lady - G2 is the IC and the remaining scum are in: G1, G8, L5, L9

The players are paired as follows:

G1-L2 (us)
G2-L9
G8-L5

If you want to read anything read starting from Second Dance

I'm all but certain L9 is scum and therefore that G2 should leave dance, forcing her out. I am not 1000% sure on her buddy but since I said last night that G2 should leave because I believe strongly that L9 is scum, L5 has been pushing back against that in a way that suggests they're buddies to me.

I have been uncertain about L1 for much of the game and at one point thought I would leave to take him out and get a flip, but L7 left before me and her dance partner G7 flipped scum. Since then I've become more firmly convinced of L9 scum to the point of asking the IC to leave to take her out. I haven't said as much to G1 but I do think that his approach to the game right now, which is focusing on reading me (?!) and trying to glean information from parts of the game he claims make him too mad to read them actually seem very erratic from scum. When I asked people about which two players they thought were likeliest to be the last two scum together L9 left me out completely because I've been widely Townread most of Second Dance, but as soon as I came down on her she did the only thing she could do as scum here and tried to make a case that I'm scum and she's the last T-T pair. L5 looks too willing to believe L9 is Town for my taste based on the pairings she posted prior to my call for L9's head as well.

If L9 were Town I firmly believe scum would have killed the IC pair with her during Intermission and failing that that she'd have been tried as a mislynch at some point. I had the chance to discuss things very briefly with G3, who was forced out of the dance when his partner L6 (also Town) ragequit after being voted once G7 flipped scum. G3 was quite rational and sympathetic about a frustrating game, and at that point when he was confirmed Town but the Mod hadn't posted the flip he told me that he thought L9 must be scum and that one of L5/G8 probably was because both had pushed him for what he saw as spurious reasons and he ended up being in a Town-Town pair. I had some paranoia and questioned him about betting that I was the likeliest T-T pair with G1 and he said it was his best guess. I spent a LOT of time reading and thinking and questioning but on the whole I've come to the same conclusions.

I also believe that some of G7's material First Dance strongly implies that G8 and G1 are not scum together. So there's that.

Instructions: Please insist that G2 leave. G2 has been erratic and uncooperative for confirmed Town but it's what we have and he is Town. Then if that happens please vote out the L5/G8 pair, unless I'm so wrong that L9 is Town and game is over. You will have to work with G1 and he's a bit frustrating but right now I do think he's more likely Town than the other pair and I think he's legitimately trying.

Sorry for leaving the game in this situation, like I said it's unavoidable for RL reasons.

[Gentleman 6]

I think this might have gotten lost in translation

3165 is reacting to 3163

I mean he's right, I forgot to make a scum PT template.

I should fix that.

[Gentleman 6]

i have already left an incredibly insightful last will and testament in my PT

i have to set an example as the super duper helpful town leader and stuff, right?

i am just such a good role model

I am going to use my super duper mafiascum player insight to reveal that post here and now:

Spoiler:

Balls.

[Gentleman 6]

WHO ASKS THAT THOUGH

WHO THE FUCK ASKS THAT

sssshhhhhh, we aren't allowed to talk about who's who in this game yet, gentleman 1. save that for post-game

the answer was scum. Scum makes that post. Sure town make that if they're either blithely clueless or massively pedantic, but it's a very scum post to make imo
like it's a scumslip in a way that is very easy to wave off, which deflates real arguments for the person being scum
not to go on an irl tract but it's also why false flag operators are a horrible thing to not handle, because if you let the false issues go unanswered for, real issues tend to drown in the noise

I feel like you must be a hoot at parties.

[Gentleman 6]

But hey, I'll entertain it... in what way is this ever a scumslip?

Lay the hypothetical on me, walk me through scum guy the 9th logic or accidental logic when making that post.

[Gentleman 6]

I think im going insane

You and me both, lass.

You and me both.

Let's ignore them and talk about your boyfriend/boytoy. I harbor extreme hope he's not posting here because he's uber tryhard gamesolving in the PT with you. A simple "yes he is posting there" would be incredibly helpful if you could give me false hope, that would be nice.

[Gentleman 6]

yes he is posting there

(he is not posting there)

I love-hate you.

I was really hopeful that he wasn't petering off with all this new data to ingest....

[Gentleman 6]

I think I've woken up in Bizzaro-world.

That's not a case of you showing how this is a scum slip, this is you arguing that it has scum utility.

SCUMSLIP is a very specific definition.

[Gentleman 6]

Hey. Reading up now.

Reading your posts is going to be traumatic for a bit. Sorry in advance.

[Gentleman 6]

To better answer your question I need to know who you think the scum in G2/L4 is

Gent 2

G2 just has a lot of unpopular takes and is trying to crash against the waves that I think just comes from town more likely than scum given he's been like this all game. I don't have him as an end game pair but if you asked me what pair had scum in it well...look at my vote

no
just no
this is glossing over the key thing that I dislike about G2, which is his unwillingness to actually make the first move the change the gamestate
I feel like that's way more important than anything mentioned here

One has to be careful not to read playstyle as alignment indicative. I get the feeling guy the second is this kind of snip and run in all of his interactions. Not that I particularly Uber townread him or anything any more.

[Gentleman 6]

(´• ‸ •`✿)

ask lady 3 to dance

This is too early.

Please for the love of Arceus if you're gonna do this, do it in your dance PT, or merged together in one big post with spoiler tags.

[Gentleman 6]

ice cream flavor

Mean or not, I laughed.

[Gentleman 6]

(´• ‸ •`✿)

ask lady 3 to dance

This is too early.

Please for the love of Arceus if you're gonna do this, do it in your dance PT, or merged together in one big post with spoiler tags.

Nostalgia

I'm mad at you for mass-quoting your spicy takes before I could note that posting spicy oneliner takes was your whole M.O.


I'm not really over it.

[Gentleman 6]

What is M.O.?

A modus operandi is someone's habits of working, particularly in the context of business or criminal investigations, but also more generally. It is a Latin phrase, approximately translated as mode of operating

[Gentleman 6]

Guy the 2nd... Do your best without stating who you think I am, to tell me why me being who you think i am makes me suddenly rise in town-likelyhood?

What are your expectations of player-x?

[Gentleman 6]

It's not actually detrimental to town to fail to meet deadline for the record. Slightly beneficial. Gamestate health in a general sense is its own topic but mechanically town is rewarded the fewer hammers that have been thrown by the end of the 8 days.
---------------
I can conceive of versions of G7bandana that were cocky asshats in the PT, well meaning oafs in the PT, and even timid in the PT and comparatively bold here to play to his wincon (least likely option). I'm not sure how much ground can be covered speculating about it but it's not impossible you figure out some kind of likely scumteam dynamic I

guess

Eh fwiw I think he just got apathetic and gave the fuck up.

I've been there.

[Gentleman 6]

I would be very satisfied with a G2/Rosalina 2 pairing that dies first

I would be very satisfied with you engaging me about your read on me, but it seems like neither of us are going to get what we want.

I don't really feel like I have anything to add beyond what I've said. This game isn't that long.

And L4, why G2? He's barely done anything.

Exactly. Other gentlemen have been better.

Including G7?

No I put him in same basket as G2

Why do my posts look scum motivated? Can you give an example of posts I made that were surface level?

I will do some quoting

No, but I do get scumread a lot for my playstyle by people who don't know me very well.

I'm kinda surprised to hear my reads being called surface level, though. That's not something I get often given that I usually try to look one level deeper than most people (beyond "who does this appear to benefit" to "who does the player THINK this would appear to benefit").

I'm not calling your reads surface level I'm calling your general play
I don't see you really trying to dig into anything

this is VERY interesting with how the last pairing worked out

I'll see how thing shake out but I'm definitely leaning voting this pair rn

Which pair? You quoted the ladyhalves of both pairs.

[Gentleman 6]

i don't really know how gentleman 7 would or wouldn't treat his scum partners

i think it's a bit silly to guess without one more flip

if there was a bit more depth to his interactions, it'd be a different matter, but there really is no depth to almost all his interactions. mentions here and there, but other than the fixation on lady 6 and the eventual 3-player group at the end, there's nothing there but weak mentions of other players

the only real conclusion i think we've all agreed upon with regards to gentleman 7 is that he's probably the kind of guy who could recite the wikipedia page for seals by heart. he's probably contributed to it a great many times himself. he's probably rather strict about removing any criticism of seals being less than perfect, too

If this game was taking place in F62 and or the speakeasy and or zor and the others would tolerate it, I'd be posting sealsmut right now. Alas, none of these are true, sorry guy the 7th; find your fix elsewhere.

[Gentleman 6]

I just realized something about L2 and it's changed my read of her

which is what?
Y'all be keeping things vague this game like I remember G6 also said "I have something about L3 that I will elaborate on later".

Oh yeah that shit ended up being a non-issue so I dropped it like my parents did to my head as an infant.

[Gentleman 6]

I kind of want fakegod to enforce a postgame period of threadlock where everyone can submit their guess for the identity of each slot.

Call it a bonus round.

[Gentleman 6]

Lady seal, there is an alternate universe where we danced together and our PT is nothing but paranoia-posting at each other. But I quite enjoy my lady this game so sorry for that which never was.

[Gentleman 6]

I wouldn't mind G5 but I'll punt on that since I am alone in that regard I believe.

The game in general ubertowns him, I was called "very spicy" for putting him below the line of townblocking in my megareads post.

I'm an ear that's willing to be lent if you intend to case.

[Gentleman 6]

and G6 is very towny imo

When did this go down.

[Gentleman 6]

oh that was meant for my pt but oh well

which pt

Probably my live blog of Midwestern road construction.

[Gentleman 6]

Am I allowed to melt down about guy the third still being a no show yet?

P-edit: I wall because I love you all.

[Gentleman 6]

I hope people are paying attention to the prince sneezing truth bullets

Friendship pellets?

[Gentleman 6]

we just need one of the town Gents to obvtown, remove the rest, and we win.

I don't know how much more I gotta do on this.

I'm TRYING but this game is trying to kill me, my sleep is suffering to effort post.

[Gentleman 6]

She gets to see the real me. I've been serenading our private topic with my unfiltered thoughts on my two hours worth of commutes every day.


You guys get the gringo spice. She gets the straight from Nicaragua stuff.

[Gentleman 6]

FFS people. Stop your goddamn waffling. There's gonna be blood spilled. It might be town. But at least we made that choice and not the mafia. And it gives the rest new data to move forward on this shit. We will run out of goddamn time if we keep going in circles for another... 4 days, 2 hours, 18 minutes.

@Mod for the love of {Deity} can we prod the shit out of guy the 3rd and their main?

[Gentleman 6]

Well gee everyone, don't all post at once.

[Gentleman 6]

We are currently arguing about how much we'd give up for ANY goddamn data at this point, in our PT.

So it's probably more because she doesn't wish to give up multiple kingdoms, Sir the 4th.

[Gentleman 6]

Lady the 8th, it is time to eat your ice cream.

[Gentleman 6]

Lady the 8th, it is time to eat your ice cream.

Well, more like custard, but....

[Gentleman 6]

I find the whole WIFOM argument quite circular.
VOTE: G2/L4

Yeah probably

Lady the 8th, it is time to eat your ice cream.

Hold on lemme psych myself up

Waffling is for kittens.

Be the liger you always wanted to be.

[Gentleman 6]

I remember my first time trying to use quote tags, lady the 3rd. It was many moons ago.

Also nice pagetop hammer.

[Gentleman 6]

DATA FOR THE DATA GODS.

(Or Fake gods, I suppose)

[Gentleman 6]

hey g6 with the hat did you ever finish your essay listing

Nope I got bored and played so much "in the live" that I didn't go back and finish. Well, that, and my daughter has decided growing a new tooth is more important than sleeping overnight. But meh. I'll do so with new data... there's no reason to do so now when Mr. mod is online (I see you there false idol) and can give me my data-fix.

[Gentleman 6]

Thank you both for your service!

Let's go back an examine how the invites near the end went down with our new knowledge.

[Gentleman 6]

I just realized I think the team is exactly G1/G5

I really wanted it to be Guy the 2nd and Guy the 3rd for major ego.

But town guy the 2nd blows that theory up....


Hope your hubby comes home soon... it doesn't take THAT long to go to the corner store for cigs and a pint of milk.

[Gentleman 6]

It wasn't "survivalist" because survivalism would mean G4 votes for his counter wagon or goes for a target where there is more interest like G3 or G9.

Counterpoint... Lady the 1st isn't nearly as townread globally as you make out.

[Gentleman 6]

It wasn't "survivalist" because survivalism would mean G4 votes for his counter wagon or goes for a target where there is more interest like G3 or G9.

Counterpoint... Lady the 1st isn't nearly as townread globally as you make out.

Unsure what you mean by this

I'm referring to when G2/L4 weren't flipped yet and G4 was going after G5

I'd say G5 and L8 are pretty widely town read

ok then
VOTE: L1

[Gentleman 6]

I was arguing that "more interest' could apply to lady the 1st as well.

[Gentleman 6]

Moot point, though. Moving along.

[Gentleman 6]

I don't like the people who seemed complacent with 4-2 hangs after pre dance.

is this largely why you don't like L1?

sort of, and the open wolfing posts don't help at all.
G5 has also sorta open wolfed with his meme posts wanting to get G2/L4 hanged.

I mean by that definition, am I not the same?

[Gentleman 6]

I'm probably going to try to make a post about L2 being town.

This content, I will subscribe and like for. Just don't expect me to share it on my social media.

[Gentleman 6]

I think we will get the slot but not the player back at this rate.

It's officially nightmare time.

[Gentleman 6]

Also I townread Chaos Gent 6's previous few pages of posts. He's great

I kneejerk react to blatant toenreads of myself with "why is this person able to do so" and tend to suspect.


I clearly need to remember that self esteem is for everyone. Even chaosgents.

[Gentleman 6]

FWIW i heavily endorse no longer having gentlesir the 8th hide any reads, at all. As it is likely that he will shuffle off of the mortal coil... maybe.

[Gentleman 6]

G6, I want you to talk about your partner when you get the chance

I am around. But phone posting.

[Gentleman 6]

there are some pretty real tactical advantages to skipping the second exile before intermission, especially since L5 is acting a bit wolfy for once. We can make this a pokemon chatroom for four days

before this gets lost its not a bad idea

This sounds like a great way to run out of time and make last second stressy decisions.

[Gentleman 6]

Lady the sixth..... Did you still wish to engage?

[Gentleman 6]

Lady the 8th and gent the 8th may take potshots from the peanut gallery if they so wish.