Hollow Knight Mafia [game over]

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First

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Eternal King Dom

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Day starts are fun

Hollow Day starts > Hollow Night starts

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what

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ok

I am freezed up can you thaw me out

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no everyone's just talking

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Defend me red

Help I'm floundering

Caught in the gaze of the Gim

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I'm like Captain America over here in his postwar era

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I read your ISO

VOTE: Firebringer

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That should say your signature, I said the wrong word

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Do we even have families in this game

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I don't like the sound of that

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I don't like the sound of that

This was obviously about 516

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I don't like the sound of that

This was obviously about 516

Post 55, at 516 PM in my time

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Yeah idk about shipping players

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one day I'll watch an anime

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Now I ask to be named king of this thread. I have already taken over the scum PT by spamming it to death while DATISI forever in how long he takes to start games, sat idly by.

I have a feeling this is something that actually happened

I misread this as Fire spamming the word DATISI initially

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aren't we all bone headed in hollow knight

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tis i, Radiance

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none of the roles are overly complex; however, there may exist exactly one role in the game that does not meet this guideline.

me

I'm trying to bury Klick slipping 4 Mafia out of fairness

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Who else is town ITT

We are not a town. We are a whole freaking Kingdom

eternal as well

That means every town is 10-shot BP

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I'm fine spending my entire d1 responding things about furtive, he is one of my favorites

speaking of which, he kinda disappeared after page 4, didn't he. I think he is more active than that in general.

I was out

I would say I have a life but I was just playing mafia IRL so eh

Yeah there was no content to go off so I just posted randomly

It is what I usually do

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Now I ask to be named king of this thread. I have already taken over the scum PT by spamming it to death while DATISI forever in how long he takes to start games, sat idly by.

I have a feeling this is something that actually happened

I misread this as Fire spamming the word DATISI initially

I don't wanna be too focused furtive, but I'm concerned with the level of fluff not going down at any point, I think it makes it easy for mafia and he is posting too much but nothing is game advancing content.

the game has been open for less than 6 hours

no I think town furtive would drop a read or two by that point. there's game advancing content all over. IDK I don't like it

I didn't find anything to comment on. There's also a difference between games of different sizes.

I'm fine spending my entire d1 responding things about furtive, he is one of my favorites

speaking of which, he kinda disappeared after page 4, didn't he. I think he is more active than that in general.

Thanks for calling me a favourite

I don't know - I had thoughts, my vote on Firebringer wasn't a joke, but it's not the strongest read either - just that I think he would enjoy posting like that more as scum than town. Whether or not I 'go hard' also can depend on my current mood and schedule as well

If I see something I'll say something

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I'm fine spending my entire d1 responding things about furtive, he is one of my favorites

speaking of which, he kinda disappeared after page 4, didn't he. I think he is more active than that in general.

I was out

I would say I have a life but I was just playing mafia IRL so eh

Yeah there was no content to go off so I just posted randomly

It is what I usually do

hi that's cute

I never played mafia IRL

did you rand scum rl? how does it feel to lie to people's faces?

also I'd like to have someone to bounce reads off of since I don't know much of the playerlist

I prefer being town, I think I'm better at reading people IRL than in person

I wasn't scum, no. It feels exciting and stressful to lie to people's faces. I don't like it as much as I used to

Ok we can be D1 buddies

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Do you have a read on Gimli, furtive?

the timing is just odd to me gimli

You seemed confident with reasoning on furtive scum but switched to a mobile wagon

Yeah Taly I can see what you're getting at but would you expect Gimli to just park on me all day? I think Gimli is just moving and shaking in a towny way

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MTs posts about Fire makes me think they've never ever met Fire and I'm certain that isn't true

This is quite a creative way of thinking and it makes me townread you

You can townread me back if you want

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9 letters

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I actually townread MT's posting so far. Haven't even looked too closely, I just...

glanced

D_D

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I think the scumread I've agreed with the most has actually been...

VOTE: Klick

Could be a method to Firebringer's madness

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It's been at least twice that since I was on earlier

But sure

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Klick you're looking radiant

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This one agrees!

You can use the

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[v]vote[/v]

tag if you want

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I'm hyped for this playerlist let's goo

VOTE: Aristeia

Just read the thread medium yikes

Furtive one, Klick IS radiant!

This one has no reason to suspect Lycan of the Fire yet. But they sure are the silent type! As the Kingdom is at week's end, that can mean nothing?

O elephant-riding one,

I intended the word Radiant as a slight upon the one who clicks.

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Hey Klick it has been awhile
Who do you think currently are wolves?

Hiya, been really looking forward to playing with you again! I don't think I ever told you this because you weren't around much while it was happening, but the way you played as town a few years ago hugely influenced the way I've been trying to play as town more recently. So, uh, thanks

I don't really have any scumreads atm. I think a few players seem pretty towny so far but I don't often have confident wolf reads early. Taly stands out to me as explicitly not looking very towny in a way that bothers me a bit, if that helps?

VOTE: Lycanfire

Why not vote Taly here

Aside from this Klick feels a bit wooden

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Furtive can u try to explain to me ur reads and why u have those reads?
Like all in 1 big post and make it ez for me to engage with

I don't think I have that many reads, and they're not really so strong that I can explain them at length

Taly is town, we can all agree
Asri prob town
Black prob town

Klick is sus

Those are my stronger ones

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Taly obvious villager if you ask for explanation you are outted wolf
Asri toneread, wholesome posting gives me villager vibes
Black seems considered and open which feels like a villager

Klick dissonance between Taly scumread (which is bad) and rando Lycan vote, + wooden tone and lack of reads = wolf

I used the words villager and wolf which you like

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Taly more like Town-ly

Clearly thinking
Open
Natural

Idk what else to say

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If you call me that I'll call you Gimbo Baggins

Yeah a bit sus I guess, your post on him was slightly convincing

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Who didn't they answer about^?

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This one trusts both our sire the majestic and radiant Herald of Flame, as well as He Who is Furtive

They can do no wrong in this one's eyes and this shall remain unchanged!

The one who Klicks and Red feel wholesome as well.

Why do you townread them?

This one feels our King and the Glancer are loyal, and still does!
Klick and Red do seem good for now?


This one has also taken a great liking to Sir of the Cakez, but is greatly unsure about voting on the Morn Tweeter.

I don't agree enough to move my vote. We'll see

This sums it up.

Townreads both Firebringer and furtive to the point of saying "they can do no wrong". So I'm like "hmm, that seems strong for pretty early."

I ask why, and Asri just says they don't have a reason.

It feels like if those two are town, it's a very safe position for scum to take, especially with fireb

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This one trusts both our sire the majestic and radiant Herald of Flame, as well as He Who is Furtive

They can do no wrong in this one's eyes and this shall remain unchanged!

The one who Klicks and Red feel wholesome as well.

Why do you townread them?

This one feels our King and the Glancer are loyal, and still does!
Klick and Red do seem good for now?


This one has also taken a great liking to Sir of the Cakez, but is greatly unsure about voting on the Morn Tweeter.

I don't agree enough to move my vote. We'll see

This sums it up.

Townreads both Firebringer and furtive to the point of saying "they can do no wrong". So I'm like "hmm, that seems strong for pretty early."

I ask why, and Asri just says they don't have a reason.

It feels like if those two are town, it's a very safe position for scum to take, especially with fireb

I accidentally typed

inside the quote

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They think we would misuse editing rights

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Which Hollow Knight characters do people think are mafia

Are we even allowed to talk about it

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oh. I think Dung, Sly and Traitor Lord sound pretty sus anyway

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MT is Town Taly that vote sucks!

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This one trusts Fire and Furtive, likes Red, Klick and hasn't had reason to not like Sir Cakez. There are others that this one might place above the previous three but this one is not naming their names, as this one doesn't like to be fooled and rather trusts its first impressions now.

This one doesn't like to be forced, it will not expand!

My colleagues here want to make you sing. But I just want to talk person to person, as friends.

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Klick is maf, all town wagon, game solved D1

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{taly}

{fire/cakez/ali/black}

{csf/red/peta}

{gimli/furtive/ari}

{klick/vp/mist}

{asri/lycan/mt}

{fucking datisi}

probably 1, (hopefully fucking not 2), wolves in top 3 categories

17p has 4, maybe even 5 mafia right?

Not happy with any of the 3 in the tier above me being above me
This list is quite wrong, very wrong even

I will have to correct you with my own list

soon

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speak for yourself mate^

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speak for yourself mate^

absolutely horrid avatar bring back watson

Martin is on hiatus

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Sorry for ruining the game by ending it so early because my reads are that good

{Datisi}

{FireKinger, SirCakez, Taly, VP Baltar}

{Alisae, Aristeia, Gimli, Morning Tweet, Mistyx}

{Asri Teroka, Lycanfire, petapan}

{Black, CSF}

{Klick, redFF}

{My new avatar}

Black could have endgamed in a historic win but I had to stop that

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Datisi is the god of this world

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Sorry for ruining the game by ending it so early because my reads are that good

{Datisi}

{FireKinger, SirCakez, Taly, VP Baltar}

{Alisae, Aristeia, Gimli, Morning Tweet, Mistyx}

{Asri Teroka, Lycanfire, petapan}

{Black, CSF}

{Klick, redFF}

{My new avatar}

Black could have endgamed in a historic win but I had to stop that

I’m orange, why’s that?

Because you are sus

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why is vp baltar in the top tier, furtive?

Clearly town

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Spoiler: VP pushing Asri

VOTE: asri

I slept on this and I feel like asri not being able to give actual reasons to why they hard town read someone doesn't make a lot of sense coming from town. I mean, sure, gut townread someone early game for vibes or whatever, but a hard town read? Nah.

This one trusts both our sire the majestic and radiant Herald of Flame, as well as He Who is Furtive

They can do no wrong in this one's eyes and this shall remain unchanged!

The one who Klicks and Red feel wholesome as well.

Why do you townread them?

This one feels our King and the Glancer are loyal, and still does!
Klick and Red do seem good for now?


This one has also taken a great liking to Sir of the Cakez, but is greatly unsure about voting on the Morn Tweeter.

This sums it up.

Townreads both Firebringer and furtive to the point of saying "they can do no wrong". So I'm like "hmm, that seems strong for pretty early."

I ask why, and Asri just says they don't have a reason.

It feels like if those two are town, it's a very safe position for scum to take, especially with fireb

This one trusts Fire and Furtive, likes Red, Klick and hasn't had reason to not like Sir Cakez. There are others that this one might place above the previous three but this one is not naming their names, as this one doesn't like to be fooled and rather trusts its first impressions now.

This one doesn't like to be forced, it will not expand!

This one can leave this mortal coil!

Scum would feel exposed pushing town!Asri like this

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I’ve been town in every datisi game

You have to have faith in datisi’s superior rng

Your ISO this game is very mild even by your own mild standards

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Spoiler: Black sus

I'm still trying to figure out this Morning Tweet change of heart

Well it's a very good read of my intentions by Klick. Maybe informed makes you get there easier.

Here she becomes suspicious of Klick, right after FB put some pressure on him with a vote. Aristeia quickly cast a 2nd vote (with no reason?) and MT does a complete 180 from thinking FB is sus to agreeing with FB about Klick, casting the 3rd vote for him.

You're also no longer a good vote IMO x3

And I still don't know what this means, but if she's suggesting FB isn't a good vote because he already has 3, it would seem odd to jump to a 3rd vote on the Klick wagon. I could be misinterpreting this comment though

The quick change of heart from FB to Klick feels off and its the only minor scum read I've gotten so far

Alisae, your last post had 8 town reads.

Any scum reads?

no. Also I'm not sure why you wrote the bolded tbh.

You either had scum reads and didn't include them, or didn't have any scum reads at all. Both options seem a little odd at this stage of the game and I wanted you to clarify.

I don't know your playstyle but I get a weird vibe like you're trying to play too safe. It's easy to not step on anyone's toes or make a target out of yourself when you're coasting through Day 1 giving only townreads

This is scum working to be townread

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Do you mean to say why?

I'm saying the push looks bad for VP, and scum wouldn't push the gimmick player

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Yeah just keep the POE as wide as you can

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Alisae explain thought process behind thought process being helpful?^

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Alisae I know, I just can't always give you the level of detail you desire

And yeah Red, what's going on. Is your Gimli vote representative of your current gameview?

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I don't like VPB votes.
But i don't feel like pushing against it and arguing VPB is town
Cause I don't have any town arguments for VPB.

What a conundrum i am in.

Gamestate counts.

For instance, I can't see why Klick is being given a free ride and VP hounded when Klick's posts are a lot worse to me

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not impressed^

VOTE: redFF

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If you guys gladiate I'm backing VP^

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I think I may have challenged someone in that game as well...

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eye exam must be a really hard eye test

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What if CSF, Klick and petapan are all scum

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I think Aristeia is town, and Cakez' characterisation is unfair as it excludes the early push on FireKinger

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What if CSF, Klick and petapan are all scum

then you've already lost

is this a serious thought you had in your head or an idle musing

Serious

Do you think you're towny rn?

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I don't like VPB votes.
But i don't feel like pushing against it and arguing VPB is town
Cause I don't have any town arguments for VPB.

What a conundrum i am in.

Gamestate counts.

For instance, I can't see why Klick is being given a free ride and VP hounded when Klick's posts are a lot worse to me

why are klick's posts "worse" to you? i don't think what they've posted is remotely comparable, but then your whole reason for townreading vpb is because his case on the gimmick alt is shit

Yeah

Town are more likely to make a *bad* case

Scum are more likely to skate and give no strong reads

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Well, maybe that post is pro-town^

CSF is a hard one to read

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Well, maybe that post is pro-town^

CSF is a hard one to read

644

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What if CSF, Klick and petapan are all scum

then you've already lost

is this a serious thought you had in your head or an idle musing

Serious

Do you think you're towny rn?

i'm not out of scum range but i'm rarely going to be, however i'm sure whatever reason you have for scumreading me is dumb as fuck

Setting aside ranges, would you have normally done more as town than just shade VP?

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I don't use shade in a dismissive way, it's similar to 'push' or 'case' for me

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UNVOTE: redFF

I'm no longer convinced he's racist against Dwarves.

Interesting case against Gimli though. There were lots of people posting early and no one was really advancing the game, yet for some reason he only picked on furtive

i find this post moderately scummy

I will say the "reads" other posters were making came across as jokes to me. Is a joke read better than no read at all?

games here start jokey and get more serious as the day goes on, imo even frivolous discussion eventually leads way to analysis and sometimes scum get caught out trying to blend in poorly

Well it's a very good read of my intentions by Klick. Maybe informed makes you get there easier. Am I so cryptic? I don't actually suspect Ari I kind of just wanted to get that bit about the fun/whimsy out of my system it's been bugging me.

You're also no longer a good vote IMO x3

UNVOTE:

VOTE: Klick

hrm

redff is funny leave him alone

No

VOTE: redFF

What's your read on the thread?

i don't know what that means

I understand this perspective. I never said my reads were any good. I've openly questioned my own reads even. None of them have been strong enough to do anything with. I mostly want to keep discussion going and analyze things as they go since I don't have much history to work with

don't worry about your reads being 'good' if you're town, it's more about making your overall thought process visible to others so they can understand where you're coming from, i think that's what alisae was getting it

oh yeah my hot take is that furtive's handling of taly might be scummy but im nowhere near confident on that just all the "if you dont see taly is obvtown you're openwolfing" felt overblown

him sussing Black when he didn't didn't feel like a move scum would make, i think scum see a player like that typically and surrender the read where town are going to be paranoid and less trusting and get into the weeds more

Sorry for massive quote, I'm on mobile. Petapan's progression on Black makes no sense. Calls him scummy, advises him as if he's town (with awkward phrase 'if you're town'), then towncases me for scumreading Black, again treating the slot as town.

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Yes I'm slightly justifying my pre-existing thought, but I found this in the ISO and it's sketchy

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i dont think petas treatment of black is even scum indicative

lets go thru the possible worlds:

peta/black s/s;

he would just coach black in the scum pt.

peta/black s/t;

he has no incentive to make black look townier, peta doesnt really do that to lhfs.

1. Coaching could happen no matter what happens in thread.

2. He hasn't been exclusively treating Black as town. My point is the treatment is inconsistent in a really dodgy way

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Sorry for massive quote, I'm on mobile. Petapan's progression on Black makes no sense. Calls him scummy, advises him as if he's town (with awkward phrase 'if you're town'), then towncases me for scumreading Black, again treating the slot as town.

i disliked that post however not enough to vote him for it and he's a new player to the site who is obviously experiencing a bit of awkwardness so i'm going to extend a basic level of courtesy and answer the question he asked about typical game flow

like where in your book do i, because i found a prior post by him suspect, have to not answer a totally harmless question he asked afterward?

i'm not treating black as town when i talk about your read on him, his alignment is basically irrelevant to what i am saying because it's relevant to you and your thought process and how you're approaching the game

i don't have a strong read on black

No, it is relevant. When considering what I would do as scum, you assumed Black would be town, not considering us both being Mafia. You said scum would be likely to let the slot be townread rather than push it. That treats the slot as town (without directly acknowledging it).

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petapan is something up ur butt.
i read ur posts like they are full of rage.

i'm being snarky because

i (correctly) anticipated fg scumreading me

for poorly thought out reasons but i'm not that annoyed, i swear

i'm just having a chat

since which point? My readslist with you as null?

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I would. I'll settle for my 'cookie bites' cereal straight out of the box instead

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None of this is making me think petapan is town. Why don't you case someone other than Baltar? I'll give you some townpoints when you do

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there are you happy would you like a lollipop

can i have one

Spoiler: image

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This reminds me of Mall Cop

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I messed up the formatting

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I think both of the Alisae/Aristeia twins are town

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I like my vote on redFF, but if people want Klick more then I'll move

Until then, meh

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CSF has been surprise town to me before, it's quite cool when that happens

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Actually, should we powerlim CSF

I'm torn

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Just disregard everything I say apart from the most recent thing

redFF flips red today.

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Actually, should we powerlim CSF

I'm torn

why did you scumread her, her posting is mostly null with some very slight town bits

basically for this, I found reasons to townread most other players

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@VPB I kind of think you're a lot closer to Joker than Batman atp but it's still early.

I don't think I play the batman role much at all...

House of the Dragon you were a bit like Boxer, loyal and hardworking but not in power and eventually copped it

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This one likes Red and Klick more than before and feels they might have been right on them? The one called Alisae also seems really really nice and concerned with getting things going so they're good! And Lycan of the Fire, somehow, just feels wholesome? Would like to see their red glory more though, as they and Klick share a hut!

This one is not at all certain if it's voting soon. It wants to vote Baltar, but only because they were mean. Being mean doesn't mean they're traitorous yet, in this one's mind, but it would sure be nice if they are because they were mean!

This one doesn't suspect anyone else enough to vote them, now.

Asri are you taking the mick? You're calling most of my scumpool towny without explanation

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Can the irrelevant voters become relevant please

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This game goes hard

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This one votes when it votes Baltar.

Why are you being tentative?

This is the second time you've talked about voting me and haven't done it.

I think they mean 'this one votes when it votes, Baltar'

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Can I get some votes here

VOTE: Klick

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I think Lycan's posting has been somewhat fine. Besides, I don't think 2 scum will be in a hood together, and Klick is the hood scum every time.

Pretty sure he only claimed it as a distraction. Besides, his reads with me as town looked so fake

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TOWN
furtiveglance
Morning Tweet
Black
SirCakez
Alisae

LEANING TOWN
Firebringer
VP Baltar
Gimli

NULL
Mistyx
Asri Teroka
Aristeia
redFF
Taly

LEANING SCUM
petapan
Lycanfire
Cat Scratch Fever

SCUM

This list sucks

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Can I get some votes here

VOTE: Klick

Can I get some responses from you?

FoS: furtiveglance

As far as I can see you've asked me one question about Alisae and Aristeia, which was buried in a bigger post.

Aristeia feels like how she played in Open 870, and Alisae just seems generally towny. I buy into eir worldview and how e approaches the game.

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Oh hi furtive since you're here
Who do you think my third neighbour is??

Some random town probably

*checks my role PM for a hood*

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Oh hi furtive since you're here
Who do you think my third neighbour is??

Some random town probably

*checks my role PM for a hood*

oh is it CSF?

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As far as I can see you've asked me one question about Alisae and Aristeia, which was buried in a bigger post.

826

Again, you buried this, and actually yeah I think the early progression on Fire was towny

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Not CSF

You scumreading me and hating what I do should be a towntell for me by now btw furtive

Based on which games

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I didn't say that, but it's not surprising that I missed it.

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who am I

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Let's build some wagons

VOTE: redFF

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I think Aristeia is towny

I can't see an agenda to her play

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VOTE: Firebringer

Firebringer/redFF/Lycanfire
One more for the grand slam

This isn't towny. Do you think it is?

I townread Aristeia's meta commentary about Firebringer more than the vote itself

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You can call Fire's case on Klick weak, but I agreed. If someone is pushing my big scumread, I'll usually treat them as town

And your other points are complete garbage

I think this 'case' is motivated by self-defence which is noted.

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Sorry for ruining the game by ending it so early because my reads are that good

{Datisi}

{FireKinger, SirCakez, Taly, VP Baltar}

{Alisae, Aristeia, Gimli, Morning Tweet, Mistyx}

{Asri Teroka, Lycanfire, petapan}

{Black, CSF}

{Klick, redFF}

{My new avatar}

Could you elaborate on why Ari didn't make it into your top tier? What made her less town than the 4 above her? She shared your scumread of both Fire and Klick early on, and you just said yourself you tend to think people are really townie when they agree with your scumreads. You both mindmelded over Taly being town in #223 and #399. So what held you back from putting Ari in the top tier?

Speaking of #399. Why didn't you list Ari here as a townread? After all the above, you still didn't get a townread from her??? But we now know you did. Because you just recently admitted you did. So why exclude her from #399?

Spoiler: response

OMGUS AMOGUS

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Nah^

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The group consensus has all but lost me now.

VOTE: Asri Teroka

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VOTE: petapan

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Either I'm wrong and bad or this Kingdom is

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I think my scumread on petapan predates Baltar's

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but yeah the vote on you was linked to Baltar's

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but yeah the vote on you was linked to Baltar's

This one doesn't like that.

I was weighing up you having a bit of momentum and petapan being my stronger scumread

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I wanted my own vote to have momentum.

How can you blame me for scumreading you when you wilfully explain 0 of your reads?

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I do, I'm guilty

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pretty much

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I'm not sure anymore

VOTE: Cat Scratch Fever

[furtiveglance]

Black who is your main suspect don't say me

[furtiveglance]

VOTE: Lycanfire

[furtiveglance]

VOTE: Lycanfire

what are you doing?

I don't dislike the Lycan wagon as much as I do the Cakez one or Mistyxx one

[furtiveglance]

Gimli. None of my scumreads are popular

[furtiveglance]

Klick is still my big one. Everyone is agreeing he's town and I can't see why.

petapan has become more of a complex read recently but I think the confidence on Baltar scumread was alarming

Black hasn't actually done much of what I consider pro-town play

redFF just feels quite surfacey

[furtiveglance]

CSF just for voting and a bit of a tonal read

[furtiveglance]

I feel demotivated

I think both Cakez and Mistyxx are town

VOTE: redFF

[furtiveglance]

Let's build some wagons

VOTE: redFF

You already tried this one

Why are you heckling me

I detect bad motivations

[furtiveglance]

Why do you feel demotivated?

Just the vibes in the PT

No one agrees with my reads, why do you think

[furtiveglance]

MT what yer laffin for

(Why laugh at my Asri vote)

[furtiveglance]

I think Cakez has seemed really towny, as someone who correctly townread his early game in Open 870

[furtiveglance]

also lycan is a player we want to not eliminate on d1 because he is strong

Yes I agree. Where is this strong town game of his? Do you see any of it

I think this is a bad argument, sometimes players take time to get going

[furtiveglance]

Yeah I remembered Lycan's catch-up as being townier than it was
I don't like the vote on Taly
I'll park for a bit

VOTE: Lycanfire

[furtiveglance]

Baltar, explain Klick townread.

[furtiveglance]

I think he just did it to distract people from scumreading him

[furtiveglance]

I think he just did it to distract people from scumreading him

Unfortunately, I fell for that fallacy with Nero in a game when I was in a hood with him. He was just town tho. The whole hood was town iirc, and it was a huge shitshow distraction.

That's a different game. Outting a hood is not town 99% of the time, because what do you lose from outting it as Mafia? Nothing.

I think he just did it to distract people from scumreading him

I don't think so. There wasn't much pressure on Klick at all when he claimed. Two votes from the MT situation but that was pretty much it

It's all relative. Two votes was quite a lot at the time

[furtiveglance]

the way csf continued the interaction w/ me after i already left also makes me think town

id probably vote redff rn but can't put too many words to it? other than the cakez/lycan stuff pinging me and his cakez push just feels kind of like an approach that scum would take here

I also suspect redFF

[furtiveglance]

That's a different game. Outting a hood is not town 99% of the time, because what do you lose from outting it as Mafia? Nothing.

You lose the ability to sway people in a hood and potentially gain useful information.

No you don't. You still have a secret chat

[furtiveglance]

Mistyxx is hard town

[furtiveglance]

cakez voting me feels like town

really just overall genuine seeming read progression in that entire stretch of posts

can you help put some details to this read.

which cakes post feel very townie to you and why are they not likely to come from him as mafia?

1039 feels like town entitlement, 1078 is a good response imo, like 1121 too bc the frustration feels kinda genuine esp w/ the earlier concerns about backpedaling

and i think he way he pivoted into voting onto me felt like it was a genuine scumread that he wanted to pursue

This is very town

Disagreers pls come on in

[furtiveglance]

why is it very town

Because if the biggest wagon is pushing scum!me, I'm gonna yeet them off the face of the earth, not credit their good points

[furtiveglance]

Its just throwing an easy read out there with some "analysis"

Yeah this is pro-town behaviour that I give townpoints for

What do you see as towny, answering everything with emojis?

[furtiveglance]

why is it very town

Because if the biggest wagon is pushing scum!me, I'm gonna yeet them off the face of the earth, not credit their good points

Scum defend mislim bait all the time? Are you saying for some reason scum!mistyx is more likely to push town!cakez over the edge on a wagon instead of just hard defend? What is this based of from? Like how you would be?

It's based on what's more intuitive

[furtiveglance]

What do you see as towny, answering everything with emojis?

What?

I think i have multitude of things I look for.
I go first on trying to understand a player.
What is X mindset, what makes sense for X t odo here as one alignment versus other, etc.

r u just reaction defending and accusing me of low level analysis or what.
If u think any read of mine is undeveloped and bad tell me what they are.

I'm surprised and slightly bemused that you see actually pro-town things as just 'easy busy work' or whatever, and your townread on Alisae for instance is based on e being rude to you via emojis and something called 'grandson'

[furtiveglance]

why is it very town

Because if the biggest wagon is pushing scum!me, I'm gonna yeet them off the face of the earth, not credit their good points

that's not good reasoning at all, cakez had plenty of momentum already, i think scum pushing him there could easily choose to stay away from it

i don't think it's a particularly scummy post but townreading her for that reason is pretty facile

ok
I'm facile
bet I'm right

[furtiveglance]

I am actually null on Alisae right now.

Yeah I didn't know that

[furtiveglance]

This one thinks Radiance's Infected likely includes Black, Baltar, Sir of the Cakez and the Furtive One.
This one isn't saying why, isn't even sure whether they will! This one is tired. Maybe later this will explain? Maybe not.

This one feels only Black feels better, and then only very slightly! Not that much in truth. Perhaps the Furtive One might feel better than Black? Or might not.

Is the Cakez read based on meta? gamestate? General scumtells in their posting?

Just pick A, B, C, or D)N/A

[furtiveglance]

well I missed that then

[furtiveglance]

why is it very town

Because if the biggest wagon is pushing scum!me, I'm gonna yeet them off the face of the earth, not credit their good points

Except Misty never had the biggest wagon on her. So how does this explanation even correlate?

It feels like you're throwing out definitive town reads with little backing to buddy up to people

Cakez is the biggest wagon, and pushing Mistyxx

[furtiveglance]

ok
I'm facile
bet I'm right

betting you're right on a player being town doesn't mean shit dude, mathematically you're more likely to be right than not - her being town make your logic good you just used bad process and got lucky

like how people think they're good at finding townreads but they're not, they're just succeeding at something they were mathematically favored to win

Does anyone else get salty scum vibes from this (and peta's whole ISO)? He was NOT like this in Newbie 2101

[furtiveglance]

This one feels only Black feels better, and then only very slightly! Not that much in truth. Perhaps the Furtive One might feel better than Black? Or might not.

I think you were right the first time. furtive is scum

You really did misunderstand then

[furtiveglance]

I get salty scum vibes

[furtiveglance]

what would peta even be salty about

Being Mafia and me (correctly) townreading Mistyxx for 'wrong' reasons

Scum aren't usually ones to depart the consensus, they usually enforce the consensus or try to mold it better.
Is furtive molding consensus or trying to? I Don't think so.

So you tr furtive because he's not playing like a usual scum would? Noted

You stole my way of saying Noted? Noted

Scum aren't usually ones to depart the consensus, they usually enforce the consensus or try to mold it better.
Is furtive molding consensus or trying to? I Don't think so.

So you tr furtive because he's not playing like a usual scum would? Noted

I don't know how i would imagine furtive scum game.
Do you think furtive personally as scum goes agaisnt consensus to build his own in the game or goes along with town consnesus that is building.

cause i can tell you i only know a handful of players that as scum will try to demolish an existing consensus to enforce their own. I am not even one of those. That takes a lot of effort skill and finesse I don't have.

You can read all of my scumgames (and towngames) by clicking on my wiki page (on my profile). I was called Mafia for recommending this before, by a very silly user.

[furtiveglance]

I think firebringer's read on furtive is right in general buuuut idk if it works so well with furtive

he might have a tendency to be in his own little world of solving as a townie but I have a hutch he does replicate some of that as scum

I don't think he's been anywhere near as antagonistic wrt reads here as he was in pairs mafia. some of his SRs are actually quite universally accepted with a few oddballs

That game was unique because my slot and my partner's slot were bizarrely under pressure even though were obvtown

[furtiveglance]

WAIT IS SOMEONE GOING TO SCUMREAD ME FINALLY IN THIS GAME!!!!!!!

Lycan is too late. I already caught the furtive/fire/ari team

You caught your own tail mate

[furtiveglance]

what would peta even be salty about

Being Mafia and me (correctly) townreading Mistyxx for 'wrong' reasons

here's the thing

Peta as scum is very good at reading game state, influence, and where things are going and equity values.

Peta as scum would not care if you as town correctly read Misty as town because he would know that you don't really have a lot of influence in this town, you would not be able to protect misty if she became a lim target.

Also he's not even pushing Misty or trying to push Misty.

Mafia care about one or two eliminations at a time. They don't have time or energy to fight every correct townread everywhere at once, that's just not feasible or even remotely a good idea.

Well, there are other motivations for critiquing my read than just keeping Mistyxx in the poe. Elevating his own slot, trying to make mine look worse, etc. Maybe it was just his genuine reaction as well

I think you're putting him on a bit of a weird pedestal and have a fixed idea of what he would and wouldn't do as scum

[furtiveglance]

This one thinks Radiance's Infected likely includes Black, Baltar, Sir of the Cakez and the Furtive One.
This one isn't saying why, isn't even sure whether they will! This one is tired. Maybe later this will explain? Maybe not.

This one feels only Black feels better, and then only very slightly! Not that much in truth. Perhaps the Furtive One might feel better than Black? Or might not.

Is the Cakez read based on meta? gamestate? General scumtells in their posting?

Just pick A, B, C, or D)N/A

Answer me, O Feronere-riding One!

[furtiveglance]

he's not trying to make your slot look worse he's townread you since post whatever

That's not how our back and forth has felt though

[furtiveglance]

cakez wagon seems to have lost momentum without him really doing anything?

This one agrees! Busy work was all this one saw, and a lot of 'how can you!'

Nothing that impressed this one, sadly.

this is an alarming interaction

What if 2 Mafia...interacted?

[furtiveglance]

This one thinks Radiance's Infected likely includes Black, Baltar, Sir of the Cakez and the Furtive One.
This one isn't saying why, isn't even sure whether they will! This one is tired. Maybe later this will explain? Maybe not.

This one feels only Black feels better, and then only very slightly! Not that much in truth. Perhaps the Furtive One might feel better than Black? Or might not.

Is the Cakez read based on meta? gamestate? General scumtells in their posting?

Just pick A, B, C, or D)N/A

Answer me, O Feronere-riding One!

I beseech thee D_D

[furtiveglance]

cakez wagon seems to have lost momentum without him really doing anything?

post reads

ok let me go through the playerlist and see where im at

fb - town
peta - not sure slight town read
sirecakez - scum
vp - i dunno lol
aristeia - town
alisae - still scummy but not gonna get lynched today so
taly - town
gimli - scum, has done nothing to alleviate my suspicions, i've scumread him since early and don't like any of his posting
furtiveglance - null-scum
klick - town
MT - i had a town read earlier, but probably should look back into it
lycan - ehhh
mistyx - this player is in this game? null i guess
black - town
redFF - MEGA NUMBER 1 TOWN
CSF - i think they've made some insightful posts and i was impressed they guessed the 3rd hood member, if there is scum in the hood i don't think scum csf correctly "guesses" the 3rd hood member like that. so if scum in the hood i think CSF is guaranteed to be town (unless klick ends up flipping scum, that would be an interesting associative if that happens as they couldve worked that back and forth out together)
asri teroka - annoying

This is either scum or town who isn't reading and won't be helpful. A priority elimination for sure

[furtiveglance]

he's not trying to make your slot look worse he's townread you since post whatever

That's not how our back and forth has felt though

if i wanted to bury you i'd be burying you, i don't think you're scum, i just don't like your logic and that upsets you

I'm not upset

[furtiveglance]

Yes red ya heard me.

That list was pure waffle

[furtiveglance]

We welcome any refugees from Cakez or Lycan wagons

VOTE: redFF

[furtiveglance]

Sorry for ruining the game by ending it so early because my reads are that good

{Datisi}

{FireKinger, SirCakez, Taly, VP Baltar}

{Alisae, Aristeia, Gimli, Morning Tweet, Mistyx}

{Asri Teroka, Lycanfire, petapan}

{Black, CSF}

{Klick, redFF}

{My new avatar}

Black could have endgamed in a historic win but I had to stop that

You can go up to null, as can CSF actually.
All 3 of the null tier move down.
From the townlean tier, Alisae and Aristeia can form the new null
Top tier remains, add in Mistyxx

My new avatar goes down

[furtiveglance]

I townread Mistyxx yet scumread redFF. They have partner equity with Asri maybe

[furtiveglance]

TOWN
Morning Tweet
Black
Asri Teroka
VP Baltar
Firebringer
Aristeia

LEANING TOWN
Cat Scratch Fever
Alisae
redFF

NULL
furtiveglance
Gimli
Mistyx
Taly

LEANING SCUM
petapan
{Lycanfire, SirCakez}

SCUM

I've been gradually getting lower on these, despite being the only player pushing Klick's 'biggest scumread' petapan. Can people see that he isn't actually thinking about the game?

[furtiveglance]

VOTE: Lycanfire

what are you doing?

I don't dislike the Lycan wagon as much as I do the Cakez one or Mistyxx one

whats wrong with the mistyx wagon?

I townread the players that make it up, but I think Mistyxx is town

[furtiveglance]

Baltar, explain Klick townread.

why is Klick scum? you keep insisting on this and trashing peoples Klick TRs but what is the counterargument?

Tone, reads, voting pattern

[furtiveglance]

Baltar, explain Klick townread.

why is Klick scum? you keep insisting on this and trashing peoples Klick TRs but what is the counterargument?

Tone, reads, voting pattern

what does "voting pattern" mean here?

Klick's votes so far

[furtiveglance]

Not provably

[furtiveglance]

VOTE: Lycanfire

I spoke about this before but it's weaponising the hood to distract attention from himself and create the idea that there's scum in the hood, and that because he's pushing that idea it's obviously not him

I'd really like him to explain why he's townreading Cakez though.

I've had thoughts on this since last night but I went to sleep instead of responding.

Basically, I think my Cakez townread was poor. Early in Cakez's posting I thought his forwardness and willingness to bring a lot of opinions to the table was towny. I think this was biased somewhat by comparing him to Lycanfire in my head and thinking, 'well Cakez is being pretty free with his reads and Lycan isn't doing anything so if there's a scum between them it's more likely to be Lycan.' Which isn't a well-thought-out point.
In my last reads list I brought Cakez down a bit because I kinda realised this but still wanted to give credit to my initial gut ping.

I think ultimately I townread what you are scumreading. I ISO'd Cakez late last night and felt pretty similarly to you, that what he was doing could pretty easily be scum projecting false confidence. I don't feel strongly about it but with you saying it's his scum meta I kinda want to sheep you on it.

VOTE: SirCakez

I think Cakez is approaching the game pretty openly and don't agree with this read at all

[furtiveglance]

Idk. I think red is red and that townclears Gimli so yeah

[furtiveglance]

Mistyx can you vote redFF

[furtiveglance]

Asri, I don't mind the gimmick, but you're doing this to yourself by not explaining anything

[furtiveglance]

Asri, I don't mind the gimmick, but you're doing this to yourself by not explaining anything

This one says their say, Furtive one. Nothing more.

Do you get how this isn't compelling at all

[furtiveglance]

Fine

This entire game feels quite slow moving and frustrating

More people on redFF?

[furtiveglance]

Lol to that Cakez post
Lol to anyone who still thinks he's scum

Just lol

[furtiveglance]

VOTE COUNT 1.12

WITH 17 VOTES IN PLAY, IT TAKES 9 TO MAKE A DECISION. DAY 1 ENDS IN (expired on 2023-02-17 17:05:00).

execution

SIRCAKEZ [3]:

Klick, Alisae, Asri Teroka

ACTIONDAN [3]:

Morning Tweet, petapan, Cat Scratch Fever

REDFF [3]:

Gimli, furtiveglance, Mistyx

GIMLI [2]:

SirCakez, redFF

MISTYX [1]:

Fibrebringer

MORNING TWEET [1]:

Taly

ALISAE [1]:

Black

ASRI TEROKA [1]:

VP Baltar

FIREBRINGER [1]:

ActionDan

NOT VOTING [1]:

Aristeia

mod notes

VP Baltar V/LA 13.2. - 17.2.
All vote counters have been borked by the newest update, so please let me know if there are mistakes in the VC.
This is a mod note.

This VC looks like Mafia are trying to suppress a certain wagon. We know it isn't SirCakez because he was already a larger wagon earlier. I think it's redFF. I will invite my townreads - Morning Tweet, SirCakez, Firebringer, Taly, and VP Baltar - to hop on

[furtiveglance]

On one hand I feel pretty checked out of the general goings on in this thread

On the other hand 'let's compromise somewhere' sounds like how town dies D1 and I don't -dislike- redFF

I'm not saying that, I'm trying to push through one of my preferred eliminations.

[furtiveglance]

points to redFF

[furtiveglance]

Boom

Momentum

[furtiveglance]

This VC looks like Mafia are trying to suppress a certain wagon.

btw i would ask u how this VC gets u idea scum are surpressing wagon. cause all it tells me if anything is that scum aren't piling on anyone
but this question probably pointless. just wanted to say this seems silly

you're silly

Just close your eyes and ears, we're goin for a ride!

[furtiveglance]

This one wonders what you're up to, Furtive Glancer! This one has a pretty good idea but will let it roll like a forlorn tumbleweed for now.

'Fere' not!

[furtiveglance]

[furtiveglance]

I will freely admit that i havent played mafia in a long time and that a 17 player game is a lot of people for me to get a good handle on the game. Im honestly kinda lost. But i've been providing reads and in and about the thread so i dont know why certain players are tunneling me so hard as a compromise elimination. besides gimli am i anyone's top number 1 scumread? We still have a lot of time left in the day.

I didn't like your readslist, it looked lazy and scummy

[furtiveglance]

I will freely admit that i havent played mafia in a long time and that a 17 player game is a lot of people for me to get a good handle on the game. Im honestly kinda lost. But i've been providing reads and in and about the thread so i dont know why certain players are tunneling me so hard as a compromise elimination. besides gimli am i anyone's top number 1 scumread? We still have a lot of time left in the day.

I didn't like your readslist, it looked lazy and scummy

Lazy sure but scummy how? I whipped it up pretty fast by just looking at the playerlist and firing off

Because you had quite a lot of players listed as idk/eh, (and otherwise didn't say much about anyone), it made me think that 1) You are scum who therefore doesn't have real thoughts about other players, and 2) that you are avoiding giving reads on certain slots because they are your partners.

[furtiveglance]

Furtive just wants to save Cakez, Red.

Cat Scratch, this one'd rather leave Dan of Action alone for a while, let them maybe come to grips with the kingdom's state?

If that was true, I wouldn't mind who was voted apart from it not being Cakez. You can see that I clearly have a preference

[furtiveglance]

I don't want any of Taly, Mistyx or CSF as the D1 lim but...take out Taly

[furtiveglance]

This is a fun minigame - you like modding don't you Fire

[furtiveglance]

Gimli you bootlicker
Bill Bootlicker

[furtiveglance]

Because you had quite a lot of players listed as idk/eh, (and otherwise didn't say much about anyone), it made me think that 1) You are scum who therefore doesn't have real thoughts about other players, and 2) that you are avoiding giving reads on certain slots because they are your partners.

This is so weird to me. Red had 4 players listed as idk. That equates to "a lot" ? Like how do you look at red's list and come to this conclusion. Or did you really think his list was trash because he had you leaning scum?

Furtive what's up with this?

I ignored you because I thought your question was rhetorical, and still kind of do.

The list was bad, do you disagree? Maybe I exaggerated with 'a lot' but I didn't see a lot of thought behind it in general

[furtiveglance]

hi fireisredsir

Are you the among us impostor

[furtiveglance]

TSQ, Black's progression on me has been entirely reactive

I'm telling on them

[furtiveglance]

Ok whats your list of 5 people who you think are the most interesting slots

I don't really understand the concept of 'interesting' - if there are 5 slots I want to flip I'll just choose my scumreads

[furtiveglance]

I don't think so, and I think I've moved away from trying to see the game like that/teamsolve it this early. I know I sometimes feel like that later on in games, when there's fewer players.

[furtiveglance]

TSQ, Black's progression on me has been entirely reactive

I'm telling on them

Wait until after he scumreads you to make your defense

Nahhhh
This is meant to make me look unnecessarily defensive but I was just setting the record straight
Not happy

[furtiveglance]

Yeah Mafia isn't really a logic puzzle because this site is full of dirty bussers

[furtiveglance]

Spoiler: List

Alisae

removed by fb

Taly*

removed by furtive

Morning Tweet

removed by black

Firebringer

removed by gimli

Asri Teroka

removed by Klick

ActionDan
Mistyx
redFF
Cat Scratch Fever

3 left, and since VPB is gone and i dont a replacement to give me a good choice consider his slot vote gone and his replacement will just have to sheep us.

It all comes down to ARI, PETA AND CAKEZ for the final strikes.

Lets go

Shea if you catch up i will allow you to strike one of the remaining players in this list if Ari/Peta/Cakez don't beat you to it.

We are going to compromise wagon the last person left on this list.

I didn't agree to this

[furtiveglance]

is that almost a scumclaim^
I think it is