Yeah, also look through what borkjerfkin told me to.
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I know what town Wisdom looks like, and he usually doesn't do that
Yeah, also look through what borkjerfkin told me to.
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In post 1013, Mathdino wrote:In post 356, VictorDeAngelo wrote:In post 298, Mathdino wrote:@Everyone: Who would you want to lynch if not wgeurts or Wisdom? What are your thoughts on SilverWolf? (free pass on sheeping the above case; I think I kinda exhausted everything that can be said about her)
I can see Silverwolf as scum if Wgeurtes flips scum. But I'd rather lynch Wguertes first.Red flag again; "I can see [scumbuddy] as scum if [townperson] is scum."
301 - Furthermore if Wisdom is town, I'm can see Silverwolf being scum after reading this.Ooh, didn't catch this at first. Might have to rethink my read on Wisdom. However, I think it's notable that Victor rarely includes both his scumbuddies in the same sentence. I don't quite know what to make of this yet.
302 - Sure newbscum would do this. Particular since the scum don't have daychat so Wgeuertes has not had any opportunity to talk with his scumbuddies yet.Yeeeeep wgeurts is town.
310 - Ok, I can totally see blindmewithscience as scum with Wgeurtes after this post. If Wgeurtes flips scum then he should be tomorrows flip. And if it is Wguetes + blindmewithscience then it's probably means it's not Silverwolf based on the second half of this post.This seems to be what Mala caught. I think it's notable that he pointed out Silver/wgeurts first, however, and followed up with BMWS/wgeurts. Honestly, I'm more inclined to think of the first as deliberate linking and the latter as an afterthought. Not changing my read on BMWS.
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This, by the way, is what Mala was referring to that apparently points "straight to Wis-scum". I wanted her to flesh out her read a bit more (hence why I kept asking about it) but it's notable that a Wisdom/Victor team would be very consistent on Victor's end.
Friendly reminder that if Wisdom is lynched and flips town, we better take out Constantine and Riddleton. I am literally unable to see a game where all 3 of these people are town. Seriously. It's pretty much impossible at this point.-
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In post 1462, Wisdom wrote:Guys, I get what you're talking about and I assure you I didn't think about that at all when I posted it. I also don't think that's the case btw.
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Likely referring to scum in {Wisdom, Constantine, Riddleton}, but not sure.
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No, we're not talking about it openly. If you understand, great, you can answer my question better.
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Wisdom, I want you to ISO the players you just pushed again, like bork asked me to do.
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Agreed. We don't need more discussion on this.
UNVOTE: Constantine
VOTE: Wisdom
PagingBMWS,acryon,Riddleton,Newbie.
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On your suspicions of bork, I really want to note that he waited a long time to open this discussion and only did when people worked together to pressure him on it.
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In post 1151, borkjerfkin wrote:In post 1146, Wisdom wrote:The VD lynch sucked, nobody who was voting him ever gave any good reason for voting Victor. I hated it and wanted actual scum lynched.
This pings me a littlebecause it's a pretty hyperbolic/sensationalist take on what actually happened (the 'sucky' lynch that flipped scum vs the 'actual scum' that is both unflipped and, as far as I can tell, you're not actually pushing anymore)In post 1263, borkjerfkin wrote:my lynchpool today is probably:
Riddle
Constantine
Wisdom
Newbie
Would not surprise me if both scum were in there.In post 1264, borkjerfkin wrote:The rest of my play today is probably going to try to come up with compelling reasons that two of them are townIn post 1367, borkjerfkin wrote:Wisdom definitely NOT scum w/ Newbie.In post 1377, borkjerfkin wrote:leaning newbie town now.
He needed an excuse? He could've jumped on your wagon ages ago, COMBINED with Mala's argument for you being scum, Wisdom.
By the time he made that votepost, he had multiple opportunities to get on your wagon, not even counting "Hey guys, I reread the game, and Wisdom looks scum because [REASONS]".
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acryon i love you
please write all my cases for me
literally checked every one of those posts
everything checks out
Edit: It's not scum motivated. What you did was an error, sure. But you would be a helluva lot more careful about it if you were legit playing town.
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In post 1484, Wisdom wrote:In post 1482, Mathdino wrote:Edit: It's not scum motivated. What you did was an error, sure. But you would be a helluva lot more careful about it if you were legit playing town.
I, on the other hand, can't understand how you don't see what I see when you ISO those players.
Not really, in fact, if I was scum, I would be actively looking for such things and there's no chance I'd miss this.
I don't see what you see for the same reason I don't think they're scum together.
Holy shit, you're actually going with "too townish to be town".
Wisdom.
There are pretty much no alternatives.
Considering the correct play for you would probably to start pushing acryon, wouldn't be surprised if that happened in the next page.-
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In post 1489, Wisdom wrote:In post 1476, acryon wrote:-In 610 Wisdom mentions masons maybe voting each other to muddy the waters, and this doesn’t really make any sense at all. Town don’t vote players who are confirmed town to them; they either vote scum or vote to pressure those they are unsure about. Very weird comment to make, especially from someone with a good amount of experience.
More wrong. Masons have in mind that scum are looking for them. If they are smart, they'll try to fool scum into making false connections and muddying the waters. As such, voting each other is not that unlikely as you seem to present it.
You've made a logical error. I'm not going to convince you on this so this is mostly so people don't somehow fall for this muddying argument. Consider:
Behaviour A is something that most of the time only masons will do.
Thus, masons are capable of avoiding behaviour A.
This means that doing the opposite of A does not necessarily make someone a mason.
Well guess what.
Masons are still pretty much the only instances of behaviour A.
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In post 1492, Wisdom wrote:In post 1490, Mathdino wrote:Behaviour A is something that most of the time only masons will do.
Thus, masons are capable of avoiding behaviour A.
This means that doing the opposite of A does not necessarily make someone a mason.
Well guess what.
Masons are still pretty much the only instances of behaviour A.
You don't need to play dumb anymore.
That doesn't mean that masons have to be sitting ducks. Anything that might confuse scum is useful.
Your logic disturb me.
No they don't HAVE to be.
But sometimes they ARE. If they display behaviour A, well, ya know what they say...
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HAHAHAHAHAHA
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In post 1501, Wisdom wrote:In post 1493, acryon wrote:Doing that may make it harder for the scum to find the masons, but it also makes it harder for the town to find scum, and the latter is much more important than the former.
How? Do townies scumhunt based on who they think is a mason? That's plain silly.
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It's relevant because you're going with the 'too townish to be town' argument for all of your scumreads. Like seriously, all of them.-
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In post 1497, Wisdom wrote:
No, I just dislike being townreadbecause scum buddy me all of the time. Thereforewhen someone states a townread on me, I want to know the exact reasons.
In post 1505, Wisdom wrote:In post 1499, Mathdino wrote:HAHAHAHAHAHA
You never asked me why I townread you for literally all of D1.
Didn't we already go over this?How is that relevant?
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Pretty sure by now that Wisdom knows he'll get lynched and is drawing the discussion out for the benefit of the last scum member. No daytalk, right?-
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Hey guys, Wisdom's at L-1. I want to wait until everyone's read the thread and see who objects to this lynch before a hammer.-
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In post 1491, Wisdom wrote:Ok bork since we're saying things as they are now.
Why the fuck would I post what I posted instead of noting to myself that those two are possible masons? Scum, like you're correctly saying, are constantly on the hunt for masons. How likely do you think it is to ignore such a connection and post something about it like I did? And how likely is it they'll just shut up, don't talk about any connections, and do their work at night?
Things are simple. I didn't even consider them being masons as I made that post, all I was thinking about was whether they make sense as scum together or not. Yes, looking back, I should have thought that that post could have helped scum greatly, but I just didn't. Because I haven't cared to look about who is mason.
So why are you pointing at this and call this scum? Do you think that I'm smart enough not to do this mistake as town but dumb enough to do it as scum? It doesn't make any sense.
1. Participation in discussion, the fact that the topic of Mala and Not_Mafia was 'hot' at the time.
2. The same as the likelihood of making that mistake as town. Unless you take scumnotes on the fly, I don't think you were actively searching for masons at that moment; you were focused on pushing Mala and NM.
3. Not shutting up like that isn't an inconsistency.
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Do we really need to get a claim to prove your reads are full of shit? Because I think that's exactly what you're going for.-
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You know what, I'm really really sorry for this Mala, but I think this is necessary. If you want to lynch me tomorrow for pointing this out, go ahead.
In post 913, Malakittens wrote:Nah even If he flips town you'd never get a lynch on me
Either you didn't ISO Mala when I told you to, or you're scum dragging this out.-
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If it's a VT drawing the NK, great, no problem.
Scum faking a mason would be dumb/unnecessary since all it takes to draw out another mason is a hardclaim.
Maybe she's faking a VT, sure.
But at the same time.
Her entire ISO.
Itreeksof behaviour A.
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Agree with acryon that pretty much the entire town's input is going to be necessary for this. Will
UNVOTE: Wisdom
for now just in case town gets jumpy.
In post 1441, borkjerfkin wrote:If I start talking about wisdom there's really no going back.
As long as you have the same scum pool as me (and you do, with one erroneous addition), just keep doing your thing)
I lol'd.
Edit: Guys, if anyone can confirm that Wisdom's reads are not full of shit, please do so. Even without my and acryon's votes, it's highly likely he'll get lynched otherwise.-
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In post 1537, acryon wrote:Agreed. Wisdom-add the wack case on Mala as not making sense to me as town.
Mala shouldn't have had a case or a vote on her in the first place.-
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Uh, no, Constantine claimed VT and started fishing for masons after taunting the town by talking about how obvious the mason team was.-
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Yet you're basically unwilling to even consider the possibility that she's not town. I asked you who you'd want to lynch if Mala flips town for a reason, Wisdom (no it's not because I thought Mala was a mason, it's because this is stuff I can use later). You were unwilling to even consider that possibility. All of your D2 actions have hinged on Mala being the wagon.
She flips or confs herself town, you can easily be like "Oh, whoops, let's reconsider my 'reads' and push whatever's the easiest next lynch."
And honestly, Wisdom, the fact that she's the only one displaying that mason behaviour along with her buddy IN THIS GAME is kind of damning. The rest of us have either been attack dogs on everyone, or have explicitly or implicitly claimed VT.
You seriously seem to find her being scum faking a town-self who would fake a mason to draw the NK
is more likely than her being a mason.
Edit: Wisdom. No one else in this game has been doing that. Except Constantine actually but he's obviously not a mason.-
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She's hard defended her townreads, sure, but does she typically pick a townread from like page 3 and defend them for the rest of the game?
Doesanyone?
Or is it more likely that she'd be like "Hey, so I don't like this post, although I still think he's town"?-
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When it comes to the Victor stuff, well, read this page. I find it hilarious that of the 2 people trying to stop the Victor wagon, one ran a counter case and logicked it out, while the other dismissed it through misrepping:
Translation: Victor is scum for tunneling. Your case sucks.-
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In post 752, Wisdom wrote:In post 749, Riddleton wrote:
Please read this for more information. Victor made a baseless vote against Wgeurts, he invented new reasoning to support his fallacious claim as he goes along, as he doesn't want to believe the wagon he's trying to push is incorrect.
Translation: Victor is scum for tunneling.
Because town never tunnel, huh?
Your case sucks.
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This is Riddleton's original case. Wisdom chose to respond to 749, which was only on the low hanging fruit argument.
There were a multitude of other points in there. Not all of them were good, as I addressed, but Wisdom just dismisses the case entirely by boiling it down to one point.-
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Alright, I'll quit arguing. Let's keep things to this page until someone other than me, acryon, bork, Wisdom, and wgeurts posts so acryon's page top will be the first thing everyone sees.
wgeurts, obviously continue doing what you're doing.-
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I just have one question to ask, though.
Wisdom, what are you going to do if all your scumreads (NM, Mala, bork) flip town?
To answer that for myself (scumreads being Wisdom, Riddleton, Constantine) I'll turn to Malakittens and acryon.-
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BMWS is having RL trouble catching up. Newbie's not overly site active. wgeurts is presumably still working on his Mala tunnel and is likely in the past right now. Mala's asleep.
Riddleton's been actively posting in other games for days, including the past 12 hours.
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I apologise, I didn't realise you were on V/LA, and your active lurking is site-wide.
Back to our regularly scheduled program.-
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See the post directly after. I apologised because I didn't notice you were on V/LA (I was bored and phone posting).In post 1587, Riddleton wrote:V/LA maybe? Read my other games... I've said it there. So fuck off.
In post 1592, Riddleton wrote:[quote="In post 1590, borkjerfkin"The mason team is Mala, N_M, and myself.
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Why the fuck did you ouit the mason team like that?[/quote]Brother, Wisdom is scum and we literally just talked for 5 pages about why Mala and NM are masons. If you ISO them, it was INCREDIBLY obvious that Finn/bork was the other one. They never displayed suspicion on each other once.
Doesn't matter. We kill 2 scum in a row, damn well favours town.In post 1595, Riddleton wrote:You do realise, bork, that they're going to be the next 3 NKs, and the game's going to be mountainous from herein, which favours scum?
Optimal play was to kill TTH because she was one of the least manipulatible townies when it comes to Wisdom. I don't think they knew who the mason team was, or like I said, maybe thought TTH/acryon were masons.In post 1599, Riddleton wrote:I don't agree with this. If this was true, then a mason would have been killed yesterday. I know, NKA sucks, but this would be optimal play for scum.
Newbie confirmed town.In post 1605, Newbie wrote:^
Yeah. That's why I'm completely confused. Nobody counterclaimed Wisdom when he showed that he understood what TTH was talking about, so I figured TTH was probably right about Wisdom as a mason. If he knew he wasn't a mason, I wonder he didn't deny it...
vote: Wisdom
Also, that hint Malakittens left during twilight completely went over my head.
Don't respond, Math, don't respond, Math, you can do this...In post 1609, St Constantine the Hermit wrote:We know the mason team. I'll wait for the confirmation.
I completely agree with Bork's decision to out the masons.
I didn't actually think wisdom was a mason, but I did want to protect him from being mislynched. I think this confirms my suspicion on newbie and acyron.
Mafia actually is a feeling game... jussayin. Gut is a very valid reason if you know someone well. It's actually why I know you're town.In post 1624, blindmewithscience wrote:And what specifically makes Wisdom town? Now don't say gut; Mafia's not a feeling game. It's about making evidence and cases, and gut isn't a valid reason to decide who or who not to lynch.
Hmm... speaking of wisdom... I'm remembering him saying that he caught Mala's softclaim during D1 twilight. What made his malapush valid then? (I'm going to make sure that Wisdom did actually say that, just to make sure I'm not messing poeple up.
He already WIFOM'd the hell out of Mala's softclaim. I think he thought she was a VT and as I said, went for TTH/acryon or figured it'd be make a whack case on Mala and tunnel her the entire day (like he usually does) to get a claim out of her or lynch someone who's good at reading him.
All I have to say, bork, is Wisdom should've known damn right you were the mason team if he actually ISO'd you and did the work.
Constantine is just being dumb, still wanna PL him tomorrow.
Riddleton's back to casing, at least we have that.
I'll do the PoE myself. Mala, bork, NM, confirmed town. Leaves Wisdom, BMWS, acryon, Riddleton, Constantine, Newbie, wgeurts.
wgeurts is confirmed town due to interactions. If he was scum all along I'm giving him a goddamn medal.
BMWS extremely sure town.
There's scum in {Wisdom, Constantine, Riddleton}, but like I said, it doesn't make too much sense to push a lynch away from your partner and onto another partner. That said, it's still a viable play, and I'll look over interactions tomorrow to see if we can get anything out of this.
If there's not 2 scum in the above and Wisdom flips town, Newbie is scum.
If there's STILL not 2 scum found, it's acryon.-
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You know what, it's Wisdom/Riddleton. That has to be it. Everything about D1 points to Victor/SilverWolf having been a team, especially given the meta analysis. Riddleton still decided to go barrel off after Mala anyway even with the evidence in his face.
Why doesn't this nullify the "doesn't makes sense to distract mislynch with mislynch"? By the time we switched to Riddleton, it was pretty obvious that wasn't gaining any traction at all. The only real people in danger yesterday were wgeurts, Wisdom, Constantine, and Victor; Riddle was barely on the table.
And then even after supporting the SilverWolf/Riddleton lynch D1, Wisdom's been defending his trying to lynch himself all day.
Wisdom/Constantine is impossible, as is Wisdom/wgeurts still. Riddleton's the last scum.-
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Have you ever seen a group of players who've hard defended like that for an entire game, not even pointing out scummy behaviours? Not once did they move out of the null category. One of them put the other 2 masons in nullreads. One started doting over the other 2's posting. One just defended and sheeped the others.
This just doesn't happen. Usually there aren't obvious behaviours to tell them from, yes, but anyone who ISOs them can see it's pretty friggin obvious.
Again, you went with "too townish to be town". The fact of the matter is though, 3 VTs have no motivation to put on a mason act so the scum don't catch them.
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So the best assumption is they were A. VTs who all knew each other was pretending to be a mason, or B. 2 scum buddying a VT to oblivion and the VT doesn't care and decides to reciprocate?
No one other than masons display that behaviour. I agree that masons shouldn't be that obvious, but your "masons shouldn't be obvious" argument has been logically fallacious for a while now.-
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In post 1598, borkjerfkin wrote:In post 1595, Riddleton wrote:You do realise, bork, that they're going to be the next 3 NKs, and the game's going to be mountainous from herein, which favours scum?
I am convinced that was going to happen anyway. Certainly if it's Wisdom and his 'the whole mason team is my scumlist' schtick that I don't buy at all.
But I'm also forcing day play down a specific road.
This is why we should've been avoiding pre-flip associative, jesus. Already had more than enough associative from Victor to get a lynch.-
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Mala, if Wisdom flips town and you die, who do we lynch? Unless some total pro bags NM's slot, you seem like the primary NK target.-
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In post 1193, Malakittens wrote:You wanna know what's really shitty.
Besides gut, VDA's meta research analysis and Wisdom being off the lynch and being abouestly hard-headed against it I wanna get him lynched.
I don't really see why MathDino is wanting is to get lynched one after another. It's lining up lynches if both Wisdom and I are town and I hate that.(even then I'd still win over Wisdom)
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Anyway.
@Wisdom: If you're town, can you write a case for last words? Lay all your cards on the table. Like I said, your thought process seems fairly similar to mine (most of the time) so I'll try to push a lynch on your case target tomorrow since it looks like I won't get NK'd anytime soon.
Honestly I still prefer Riddleton but if you want to go with Constantine I really have no business complaining, haha.-
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In post 1488, borkjerfkin wrote:In post 1480, Wisdom wrote:What's the scum motivation in doing what he says I did?
There's no scum motivation in leading town on a wild goose chase / pushing lynches you know won't go through? Like what I did the last time I played this setup?
In fact
http://www.quicktopic.com/49/H/KpjZBCV3DsW
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=52&t=25295
I want people to at least experience how scum mindset works in this setup. Last time I played this I had the mason team narrowed down to two possible sets on D1 of a game I had just replaced into. I whiffed on the kill N1, but after that I knew who the team was exactly. It's not that hard to find a set of three masons; they have all the associatives scum have and more because they're not afraid to hard buddy each other. Scum probably knew post TTH flip. TTH was pretty fucking town though so I can't begrudge them that kill.
That didn't stop me from pushing them on subsequent days, because it 1) wastes tons of time (I am actively trying to make sure this doesn't happen anymore today because it's getting out of hand) 2) still looks like scumhunting and 3) forcing the claim allows you to make a 0 info nightkill and 4) sometimes the game just naturally moves there (this happened a lot in my case)
If I may, I'd like everyone to read this QT, if not the thread (good read). Thisperfectlyillustrates the motivation in trying to run up a potential mason; nothing is really sure.
So yes, I've read games with masons.-
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In post 1649, wgeurts wrote:You've made 6 pages while I slept, can someone sum them up?
bork's vote on Wisdom was due to 1287, in which Wisdom said, to paraphrase, "Mala and NM are definitely not a team together since they've been buddying and voting together all game".
I forced bork to force me to understand this vote. He told me to ISO the players Wisdom's been pushing today.
I ISO'd them, realised immediately that Mala, NM, and bork were the masons (didn't say this) and realised Wisdom was probably scum. His entire scumlist is literally the mason team.
acryon came back and wrote up a long case on Wisdom that admittedly has a lot of confbias.
Riddleton wrote a Riddlecase on Mala.
bork got pissed off at no one understanding what was going on and outed the mason team.
BMWS came back and got mad about the mason team but otherwise has been fairly neutral (also declared V/LA).
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Oh yeah, and Constantine being dumb as usual and Riddleton getting really pissed off at bork for outing the team (he proceeded to vote Constantine). ISO the mod if you want to see where votes are. acryon and I unvoted so we don't get a quickhammer.-
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Got a case coming up? When I say last words, I mean you're pretty much on your deathbed already; I don't mean a twilight case.-
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Okay.
VOTE: Wisdom
Also, just realised,
@Mala, don't answer that question I asked you about who to lynch if Wisdom flips town. Just discuss in the QT and one of you can post what the dead mason thought.-
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I actually didn't know who the masons were until we forced bork to explain his read. Why would I lie about that?
The moment bork asked me to read the interactions of the players you were pushing, I looked at Mala and NM. Immediately knew they were masons. Then I looked through the playerlist and saw that FinnLaw was the only one neither of them scumread and who didn't scumread either of them at any point in the game. Thus explaining all of bork's behaviour.
I don't know if anyone else knew for sure. But it was pretty obvious to me at least.-
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wgeurts, if Wisdom doesn't really have much more to say, I'm kinda just waiting on your read through to ask for a hammer. The masons should discuss in their PT and we all know who they want to lynch right now. acryon's given his thoughts. Constantine and Riddleton are being dumb. BMWS isn't coming back til the weekend but hasn't displayed objections. Newbie's already decided.
Just waiting on your input.-
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In post 1579, Mathdino wrote:I just have one question to ask, though.
Wisdom, what are you going to do if all your scumreads (NM, Mala, bork) flip town?
To answer that for myself (scumreads being Wisdom, Riddleton, Constantine) I'll turn to Malakittens and acryon.
This is proof that I didn't retroactively decide I always knew who the masons were; I put bork in there for a reason. I put Mala in my own answer because if all those scumreads are actually town, it was pretty much likely Mala wasn't a mason after all.-
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It shouldn't be obvious from reading the game. It only becomes obvious if you ISO Mala and NM and then include Finn/bork.
I'm not saying everyone should've picked this up. But everyone should've picked this up the moment bork explained his vote on you if they did their homework.
Anyway, you drive a good point, hindered only by the fact that Constantine could just be messing with us all. Will push Constantine tomorrow if you flip town.
Who is Constantine's partner?-
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You don't think Constantine tried to bus Victor and acryon to implicate me?
I still kinda like that theory in absence of Wisdom/Constantine and Constantine/Riddleton being a possibility.-
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I was also pretty not-mason, so I could see why they'd want to avoid NKing me.
Here's the thing. Constantine hasn't dropped his scumread on acryonall game. acryon is the ONLY one other than Victor that he hasn't even considered being town. He at least changed me to a slighter scumread, dropped his Riddleton/SilverWolf stuff, etc etc.
Constantine ALWAYS seems a bit too sure, but he seems a bit too too sure on acryon.-
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Hmm, let's look at the interactions between Victor, BMWS, and Constantine real quick. Just for the record guys, I'm treating Wisdom like a dead townie for now because we might as well get as much as we can just in case we're wrong.
Victor's first reference to BMWS. "Blindmewithscience is sitting back too much with this post. Especially considering it's his only one outside of rvs. I still like my vote on Wguerts, but I really wish I had a second one for blindmewithscience."
This is BMWS's first response to Victor. BMWS seems to have pretty much missed the whole early Victor FoS wagon; by the time he's playing the game, wgeurts is going full jester play (jk ofc).
356, I mentioned this earlier. Victor links up wgeurts, a townie, with BMWS. He has, of course, already done this with Wisdom and SilverWolf, thus generating Mala's lynchpool of {Wisdom, BMWS, Riddleton, wgeurts}.
"I don't like you, Constantine"] -everyone in this gameBMWS. He basically reacts to everything Const's said up to that point with total indignation, a hard vote, but the one that really makes me question that this is a bus is pressuring Constantine for his meta. Why would BMWS want that? Would he ask that just for towncred (which he didn't really need)?
Here BMWS gives a summary of this thoughts on Constantine, Riddleton, and the Victor case. His thoughts on Constantine consist of similar indignation, and he criticises Riddleton for not fully responding to my and Wisdom's thoughts on the Victor case. He seems to be a little fencesitty on the Riddleton thing, I can see him wanting to go for that instead of a scumpartner at this point.
But this post is what seals BMWS-town for me, tbh. He continues to question Constantine for meta saying he'd "like to read it during night phase". He does comment on how the Riddleton wagon could be done by the deadline, but that doesn't really read scum for me.
890 gives another summary of the Constantine and Victor wagons, pretty much throwing out the possibility of a Riddleton lynch. He does the same thing Wisdom did, refusing to participate in the Victor wagon, instead opting for Constantine. That's what's confusing. And then here he literally says "THe things is, you voted way too early... No defense from victor, and we were trying to go for a Constantine lynch." Now, I could probably confbias myself into thinking that statement is scummy ("we were trying to go for a different wagon") but scummy with Constantine as scum? No way. Seems completely arbitrary that he'd decide to draw that line in the sand between his scum partners.
BMWS D2 continues to show disappointment with everything Constantine says. No real change. I don't think Constantine's ever said BMWS's name, correct me if I'm wrong.
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In post 1679, Mathdino wrote:"I don't like you, Constantine" -everyone in this gameBMWS. He basically reacts to everything Const's said up to that point with total indignation, a hard vote, but the one that really makes me question that this is a bus is pressuring Constantine for his meta. Why would BMWS want that? Would he ask that just for towncred (which he didn't really need)?
Here BMWS gives a summary of this thoughts on Constantine, Riddleton, and the Victor case. His thoughts on Constantine consist of similar indignation, and he criticises Riddleton for not fully responding to my and Wisdom's thoughts on the Victor case. He seems to be a little fencesitty on the Riddleton thing, I can see him wanting to go for that instead of a scumpartner at this point.
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For sure, hang on.-
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DUDE THAT WAS A HAMMER
UNVOTE: Wisdom-
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FFS.
Okay, Constantine or Riddleton goes down tomorrow. Constantine for pissing me off, Riddleton for probably being the actual scum. BMWS or acryon is partner.-
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In post 1626, reinoe wrote:In post 1656, Mathdino wrote:Okay.
VOTE: Wisdom
Also, just realised,
@Mala, don't answer that question I asked you about who to lynch if Wisdom flips town. Just discuss in the QT and one of you can post what the dead mason thought.
Nice going, man.
Eh, regardless, not like we're gonna lose any opinions tonight. Wisdom, I'll try to look through Riddleton/BMWS ASAP. Since you already got lynched, want to provide that case now?-
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D1: OH SORRY FOR HAMMERING I DIDN'T REALISE THE DEADLINE WAS HALF A DAY AWAY
D2: OH SORRY FOR HAMMERING I DIDN'T REALISE THE GUY WASN'T AT L-3
D3: OH SORRY FOR HAMMERING I DIDN'T REALISE THE GUY WAS TOWN
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D5: OH SORRY FOR HAMMERING I'M SCUM
^Predicted trajectory of game.-
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wgeurts, all your suspects are masons or dead.
You need to look through Riddleton, Constantine, and Victor. One of the former two is getting lynched tomorrow. I'm saying you should do this now because I really want Wisdom's input on this.-
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