Mini 1648: Mafia in the Noose Factory. (Game Over)
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In post 41, ploben wrote:@Zebulin & @Boonskiies
Who cares about last game? You both made your points, saltiness noted, why can't we move on?
Interesting that you chose to ignore my request for you to vote Zeb.
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In post 63, MonkeyMan576 wrote:Hammering this early is really a bad idea.
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Rereading.
17 - Zeb, this post implies your vote is random.
20 - However, in this post you're greatly over-explaining your vote. It doesn't seem so random any more. Why did you try to cover this vote under the disguise of RVS?
21 - Always Mafia, (AM) is this vote serious?
23 - Luca, is this vote serious?
24 - RM, is this vote serious?Meta this. Meta that. Meta Everything. Meta is not a good scum-hunting tool. PEOPLE CAN MANIPULATE THEIR META. Stop it. Stop. It. Now.-
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31 - The scenarios you present in this post are not worth posting, not to mention some of it makes no sense at all. Why don't you like the fact he (Zeb) is using meta so early? How does that make him scum?
45 - Ploben, you didn't answer my question here. Try again.
Also, you seem to think I am scum here. Why didn't you vote me?
In post 46, ploben wrote:
To be honest,I don't like the insta-bussing Zeb and Boonskies is doing. Maybe it's my lack of my meta reading (which I'm on the fence about the whole idea anyway) but it's all too convenient for me at the start of this game.
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In post 63, MonkeyMan576 wrote:Hammering this early is really a bad idea.
Yeah, great job dissuading people on the wagon.
In post 76, MonkeyMan576 wrote:
That's not the issue, the issue is that you are promoting the hammer.
Aaaaand, you're still doing nothing to dissuade the wagon you seem to dislike so much.
In post 82, Boonskiies wrote:I think it's just BBT trying something new.
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77 - A claim would have provided information and we would have been able to analyse your wagon and progress the game from there.
Tell me, why is a claim now so different to a claim in 20 pages time? Won't a claim in 20 pages time still alert scum to a PR? Won't a claim in 20 pages time still give scum less targets to night kill?
81 - PonyStar,(PS) why does me admitting what I am doing make me scummier than if I denied it?
Of course you can. If Zeb got to L-1, and I said I was looking for a claim, and then someone else stated intent to hammer, Zeb would HAVE to claim. Knowing what I am doing doesn't change the fact he could be about to get lynched.
Do you seriously think I could absolve responsibility of Zeb's lynch had it gone through? It would have been pretty obvious that if Zeb flipped town I would have been prime target the following day. Further, how does me stating I am looking for a claim and not a lynch lead itself to me trying to avoid responsibility?
My reasons for wanting Zeb to claim are...get ready...I was PR hunting. Come at me.
Why?
In post 91, tip wrote:monkeyman - vote him.
Why?
Serious? Looks like you're trying to continue RVS if it's not.
95 - That's right Ploben, criticize the wagon you have just jumped off. Especially as you were the L-1 vote! Why the hell would you put someone within hammering range if the wagon was a joke and a waste of time?
You're probably getting my vote when I finish catching up.
99 - Right, so like I said, you didn't answer my question. So, try again.Meta this. Meta that. Meta Everything. Meta is not a good scum-hunting tool. PEOPLE CAN MANIPULATE THEIR META. Stop it. Stop. It. Now.-
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Right, and you've never had two claims in one day?
So, what you're actually suggesting is that we wait until later in the day so that people havelesstime to react to a claim? Or, that whatever the claim is , it doesn't matter because they're getting lynched anyway to avoid a second claim? Your logic makes no sense.
Why are we more screwed if you claim PR now than in 20 pages time?
I'm not PR fishing.
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106 - Ploben, this is weak as fuck. Which is interesting for reasons explained later.
People's experience has no effect on a claim. Where have you plucked that from?
This is the 3rd time you have placed a random vote and I'm still yet to see any reasoning. Might wanna lynch you toDay.
111 - Zeb, it's very much not a rhetorical question. I want an answer. Your post was serious as well, I'm not buying you were having 'fun'.
115 - Weird unvote from Zeb. Especially as I found Ploben's reasoning for his vote extremely lacking. I don't usually do pre-flip associatives but something to bear in mind for later in the game is that Zeb and Ploben could be scum together. Would explain Ploben's comfort with placing the L-1 vote on his buddy and also Zeb's weird 'pressure vote' and then immediate unvote after a poor explanation.
112 - MY early L-1? I think you mean YOUR early L-1. You're using someone else's reasoning now for what I might have been doing? I think you're scum.
123 - No, House isn't anything near conf town.Meta this. Meta that. Meta Everything. Meta is not a good scum-hunting tool. PEOPLE CAN MANIPULATE THEIR META. Stop it. Stop. It. Now.-
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131 - This post feels town. I like it.
132 - Why is he scum?
Second person to place a 3rd random vote.
I'm beginning to dislike this game.
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163 - There is always a threat. If someone stated intent to hammer, Zeb would have had no choice to claim. Simple as that.
How am I pushing 20 pages of nonsense?
I didn't like his attempt to disguise his vote on Boon as RVS and then the over explanation of this vote afterwards.
165 - It appears a few people didn't pick up the intention behind those posts. This is weak by anyone's standards.
170 - I have already told you I was not/might not/might have/was fishing for PR's. What more do you want from me?
172 - Answered above. This is a nice opportunistic vote though.Meta this. Meta that. Meta Everything. Meta is not a good scum-hunting tool. PEOPLE CAN MANIPULATE THEIR META. Stop it. Stop. It. Now.-
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177 - Why the unvote?
182 - Better to get an early claim than a late one. That should be obvious.
186 - PR fishing is definitely bad for town.
188 - What question?
189 - Well you're wrong on at least one of them.
194 - Ploben, why are you speaking to Slandaar as if he is town?In post 194, ploben wrote:I think we're on the same page but why not share your information and help us solve this?
199 - Sure, if it was another naked vote with no explanation.
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204 - They're being weird? What does weird consist of?
What is the terrible that surrounds them?
209 - Nah, my push on Zeb made for interesting reading. Your L-1 vote was scummy.Meta this. Meta that. Meta Everything. Meta is not a good scum-hunting tool. PEOPLE CAN MANIPULATE THEIR META. Stop it. Stop. It. Now.-
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215 - Ploben, you won't be lynching me. You still didn't answer my question either. I'll even quote it for you to have another go at;
In post 214, BlueBloodedToffee wrote:You think scum is on the same page as you?
You also want scum to help you solve the game?
Nah, you're talking to him as if he is town.
My post, to put it into context, was in relation to this;
In post 194, ploben wrote:
I'm curious here. You're saying when you post them you're more apt to ride those reads until the end. You're saying you have 3 suspects you're confident in. But you don't want to post them?Why not? I think we're on the same page but why not share your information and help us solve this?
BTW, I'm thinking your short list includes BBT & Pony. Not sure about you're 3rd.
Specifically, the bolded part seems to imply that he thinks Slandaar is town.
221 - Random, I have no idea who you're talking to here.
In post 229, Ponystar17 wrote:Also, if you suspect me, why is your vote still on MonkeyMan? I've seen no explanation of why your vote on him should have turned serious - he was your RVS vote, unless I'm wrong.
This is a good point.
In post 229, Ponystar17 wrote:My current impression of BBT: buddying me quite a bit, regardless of alignment. Could be a genuine observation that I look town to him, but he didn't exactly pick my towniest post to comment on, so I kind of doubt that. Might be buddying me so that I unvote him/think he's town, might be buddying me so that I look like scum.
Can you show me where you think I have been buddying you? I'm pretty sure I have only stated that I think you're town.
233 - Pony, do you think it's good play for scum to openly admit they are PR-hunting? Further, I was not PR-hunting. That would be ridiculous.
You should take option B.
I'm not sure why you need posts to be 'wordy' either. Personally, I prefer much shorter, concise posts. Makes the game easier to read (ironic given I'm about to post this wall)
234 - Will lynch Tip for this.
235 - Will lynch Luca for this.
239 - What a fantastically useless question, Ploben. Obvious filler is obvious, obvious fake scum-hunting is obvious.
243 - You're damn right I did. Somebody should always be at L-1 & there should also always be two competing wagons.
249 - Zeb, when is PR-fishing ever a good idea? Like, this is the worst reason to unvote someone I have ever read in my life.
Zeb & Ploben are scum.
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254 - It was mostly waffle, you're right, but there was something in there that made me town-read you. I've seen no reason to change my town-read.
I was not PR hunting, 100%. That's like saying we should never run anyone up to L-1 and get a claim because that's blatant PR fishing, when it quite clearly isn't. The only problem is that people are not used to seeing that kind of pressure early in a game and most people don't seem to like it. I, however, find it quite useful for finding scum.
Tell me why getting a claim on page 3 is scummy and getting a claim on page 20 is not? What's the difference?
If you read any of my posts where I even so much as imply I am PR hunting, I thought it would have been fairly transparent that my posts were tongue in cheek/sarcastic, I was wrong. I understand it can be hard to pick up tone on an internet forum but I really tried to make it obvious. Anything further I was just trolling.
258 - Tip, I agree with Zeb here that you have provided very little content to this point. All I see is; 48 - self vote, 51 - vote Monkeyman, 150 vote random, 256/257 some reasoning for Scum!RM. That's it. That's your whole contribution. Something about this post bothers me;
In post 258, tip wrote: don't forgot i had the choice of life and death re: you, kiddo
Why did you write this?
260 - Nah, it's not the having a life that bothers me. It's the signing up to the game and then not playing it. Like, literally doing nothing. It's annoying and I will PL any player that does it.
262 - Why the vote Kaboose?
263 - Zeb, I'm not scum-reading anyone for not being able to play. Can you show me where I have done that?
266 - Why am I town, Kaboose?
270 - Hey Monkeyman, we have a game going here. Would you like to contribute some content?
272 - Ploben, you think scum are likely to think along the same lines as you if you're town? You asked him to help you, would you like help from scum or from town?
273 - Pointless questions are pointless. More filler.
Can we get a wagon going on Zeb or Ploben please?
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Nobody claims to be scum, that would be silly.
But, it's great information to work with and start the game. You can analyse the wagon; who was on it, who was off it, what was their reasoning for their respective decisions? Does the claim seem believable? How do other people react to the claim etc etc. Instead of all this happening on p25 with 6 hours to go till deadline and no time to analyse the new information (usually ending in the speedlynch of someone else if the original person run up claims a PR, leaving very little information to work with) I propose we do it earlier and give ourselves 12 days to analyse the information and decide on how to proceed.
No, I'm asking why you think people have a problem with early pressure. Not everyone who gets run up claims PR, either.
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In post 293, ploben wrote:I want to hear from town and scum. That's how the game works. If I think someone is town then their reads are good to align with. If I think someone is scum then their reads are good to try and figure out the mafia mind set and catch you later with them.
All information is good is this game. I appreciate your intent with the same sentiment. Your actions are speaking to that fact far louder than your words are.
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You're assuming there is no WIFOM surrounding a potential kill on a PR N1. For example, do you think an outed PR is likely to be protected N1?
I'm not sure how you could possibly link myself and Zeb. Your paranoia further makes me believe you're town though, vote Ploben please.Meta this. Meta that. Meta Everything. Meta is not a good scum-hunting tool. PEOPLE CAN MANIPULATE THEIR META. Stop it. Stop. It. Now.-
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Zeb, that doesn't show me scum-reading Tip and Luca, it shows I would be willing to lynch them.
Kaboose, I feel good that Ploben is scum. I would prefer to lynch a scum slot than an inactive slot.
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In post 310, Zebulin wrote:Readslist:
Very Town:Ponystar17
Town:Kaboose
Leaning Town:Boonskiies
Null:randomidget, Slandaar, House
Lurk:Luca Blight, Always Mafia
Leaning Scum:MonkeyMan576, tip
Scum:BlueBloodedToffee, ploben
Very Scum:
My read on BBT keeps waffling from Null to Scum as I try to figure out whether he believes in the early pressure PR fish or if he's just doing that to give scum information. Boonskiies and MonkeyMan576 are gut reads.
P-Edit: Scummy. Scummier than you, actually. My vote is on you because it gets town more info right now.
Umm, House isn't classified under lurk because....?
Kaboose replaced Always Mafia.
If you're waffling between me being null and scum how does that make me scum? Like, at the very best that makes me leaning scum surely? You don't need to justify your vote anymore.
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Wrong. This is what you said;
In post 194, ploben wrote:I think we're on the same page but why not share your information and help us solve this?
Which implies you're town-reading Slandaar. Given you've just said you're not, this is scummy and you should be lynched for it.Meta this. Meta that. Meta Everything. Meta is not a good scum-hunting tool. PEOPLE CAN MANIPULATE THEIR META. Stop it. Stop. It. Now.-
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356 - Pony, I feel I have been more than clear about why I think Ploben is scum. ISO me and then vote him.
373 - ISO me. You can see why I think Ploben is scum and then you can vote him.
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375 -In post 375, Zebulin wrote:
I forgot you. Sorry about that. You'd be null leaning scum for lack of content per post, which I find to be EXTREMELY useful in determining scum. Your points mostly make sense though.
You find thissouseful to find scum that you forgot to include it?
I'm not even voting you either, so, yeah...
382 - I don't do meta.
383 - Townie post right here. Even if some (majority) of it is wrong.Meta this. Meta that. Meta Everything. Meta is not a good scum-hunting tool. PEOPLE CAN MANIPULATE THEIR META. Stop it. Stop. It. Now.-
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