Mini 1648: Mafia in the Noose Factory. (Game Over)

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VOTE: Boon

Let's start a wagon.

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I'm not scary.

Unless you're scum.

Are you scum?

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What games have you read?

Do you use meta when scum-hunting?

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Haha Boon. How are you?

What colour was you role PM?

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Ridiculous indeed.

That would be a silly claim to make for no reason this early.

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VOTE: Zeb

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Zeb is L-3.

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Can you both vote Zeb please?

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@Zebulin & @Boonskiies

Who cares about last game? You both made your points, saltiness noted, why can't we move on?

Interesting that you chose to ignore my request for you to vote Zeb.

Any particular reason for that?

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Boonskiies.

There is 3 of us though and I'm not giving you the last one.

I would like to get Zeb to L-1 and force a claim. Do you object to this? If so, why?

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Zeb is indeed L-1.

Can someone state intent to hammer?

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I don't wanna mass claim.

I wanna force Zeb to claim.

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Hammering this early is really a bad idea.

Who said anything about hammering?

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Intent to hammer is different to hammering.

You know this.

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He stated intent.

I wouldn't put it past Boon to just hammer, but I don't think he will.

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To save 20 pages of BS?

I dislike Zeb's early posting enough to want to get a claim from him.

It's great information to start the game off with as well.

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Rereading.

17 - Zeb, this post implies your vote is random.

20 - However, in this post you're greatly over-explaining your vote. It doesn't seem so random any more. Why did you try to cover this vote under the disguise of RVS?

21 - Always Mafia, (AM) is this vote serious?

23 - Luca, is this vote serious?

24 - RM, is this vote serious?

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31 - The scenarios you present in this post are not worth posting, not to mention some of it makes no sense at all. Why don't you like the fact he (Zeb) is using meta so early? How does that make him scum?

45 - Ploben, you didn't answer my question here. Try again.

Also, you seem to think I am scum here. Why didn't you vote me?

To be honest,

I don't like the insta-bussing Zeb and Boonskies is doing

. Maybe it's my lack of my meta reading (which I'm on the fence about the whole idea anyway) but it's all too convenient for me at the start of this game.

What???

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Hammering this early is really a bad idea.

Yeah, great job dissuading people on the wagon.

That's not the issue, the issue is that you are promoting the hammer.

Aaaaand, you're still doing nothing to dissuade the wagon you seem to dislike so much.

This is standard play for bbt.

I think it's just BBT trying something new.

This made me laugh.

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77 - A claim would have provided information and we would have been able to analyse your wagon and progress the game from there.

Tell me, why is a claim now so different to a claim in 20 pages time? Won't a claim in 20 pages time still alert scum to a PR? Won't a claim in 20 pages time still give scum less targets to night kill?

81 - PonyStar,(PS) why does me admitting what I am doing make me scummier than if I denied it?

Of course you can. If Zeb got to L-1, and I said I was looking for a claim, and then someone else stated intent to hammer, Zeb would HAVE to claim. Knowing what I am doing doesn't change the fact he could be about to get lynched.

Do you seriously think I could absolve responsibility of Zeb's lynch had it gone through? It would have been pretty obvious that if Zeb flipped town I would have been prime target the following day. Further, how does me stating I am looking for a claim and not a lynch lead itself to me trying to avoid responsibility?

My reasons for wanting Zeb to claim are...get ready...I was PR hunting. Come at me.

vote:boonskiies

Llama.

Why?

monkeyman - vote him.

Why?

VOTE: ploben
joined zeb wagon last

Serious? Looks like you're trying to continue RVS if it's not.

95 - That's right Ploben, criticize the wagon you have just jumped off. Especially as you were the L-1 vote! Why the hell would you put someone within hammering range if the wagon was a joke and a waste of time?

You're probably getting my vote when I finish catching up.

99 - Right, so like I said, you didn't answer my question. So, try again.

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Right, and you've never had two claims in one day?

So, what you're actually suggesting is that we wait until later in the day so that people have

less

time to react to a claim? Or, that whatever the claim is , it doesn't matter because they're getting lynched anyway to avoid a second claim? Your logic makes no sense.

Why are we more screwed if you claim PR now than in 20 pages time?

I'm not PR fishing.

Tip: make your tips readable.

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106 - Ploben, this is weak as fuck. Which is interesting for reasons explained later.

People's experience has no effect on a claim. Where have you plucked that from?

unvote
vote: Random

This is the 3rd time you have placed a random vote and I'm still yet to see any reasoning. Might wanna lynch you toDay.

111 - Zeb, it's very much not a rhetorical question. I want an answer. Your post was serious as well, I'm not buying you were having 'fun'.

115 - Weird unvote from Zeb. Especially as I found Ploben's reasoning for his vote extremely lacking. I don't usually do pre-flip associatives but something to bear in mind for later in the game is that Zeb and Ploben could be scum together. Would explain Ploben's comfort with placing the L-1 vote on his buddy and also Zeb's weird 'pressure vote' and then immediate unvote after a poor explanation.

112 - MY early L-1? I think you mean YOUR early L-1. You're using someone else's reasoning now for what I might have been doing? I think you're scum.

123 - No, House isn't anything near conf town.

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131 - This post feels town. I like it.

132 - Why is he scum?

VOTE: tip
I'm following house

Second person to place a 3rd random vote.

I'm beginning to dislike this game.

PEdit - LOL. If I want you lynched pisskop, I'll get you lynched.

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163 - There is always a threat. If someone stated intent to hammer, Zeb would have had no choice to claim. Simple as that.

How am I pushing 20 pages of nonsense?

I didn't like his attempt to disguise his vote on Boon as RVS and then the over explanation of this vote afterwards.

165 - It appears a few people didn't pick up the intention behind those posts. This is weak by anyone's standards.

170 - I have already told you I was not/might not/might have/was fishing for PR's. What more do you want from me?

172 - Answered above. This is a nice opportunistic vote though.

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177 - Why the unvote?

182 - Better to get an early claim than a late one. That should be obvious.

186 - PR fishing is definitely bad for town.

188 - What question?

189 - Well you're wrong on at least one of them.

194 - Ploben, why are you speaking to Slandaar as if he is town?

I think we're on the same page but why not share your information and help us solve this?

199 - Sure, if it was another naked vote with no explanation.

PEdit - Haha, Kaboose. Great pen from Lovren

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204 - They're being weird? What does weird consist of?

What is the terrible that surrounds them?

209 - Nah, my push on Zeb made for interesting reading. Your L-1 vote was scummy.

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Caught up.

Zeb & Ploben look like scum.

Pony is the only one towning it up.

VOTE: Zeb

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You think scum is on the same page as you?

You also want scum to help you solve the game?

Nah, you're talking to him as if he is town.

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That response doesn't relate to my post in any way, shape or form.

Try again.

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Last post @Ploben.

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I wanted a response to my latest post though.

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215 - Ploben, you won't be lynching me. You still didn't answer my question either. I'll even quote it for you to have another go at;

You think scum is on the same page as you?

You also want scum to help you solve the game?

Nah, you're talking to him as if he is town.

My post, to put it into context, was in relation to this;

I'm curious here. You're saying when you post them you're more apt to ride those reads until the end. You're saying you have 3 suspects you're confident in. But you don't want to post them?

Why not? I think we're on the same page but why not share your information and help us solve this?

BTW, I'm thinking your short list includes BBT & Pony. Not sure about you're 3rd.

Specifically, the bolded part seems to imply that he thinks Slandaar is town.

221 - Random, I have no idea who you're talking to here.

Also, if you suspect me, why is your vote still on MonkeyMan? I've seen no explanation of why your vote on him should have turned serious - he was your RVS vote, unless I'm wrong.

This is a good point.

My current impression of BBT: buddying me quite a bit, regardless of alignment. Could be a genuine observation that I look town to him, but he didn't exactly pick my towniest post to comment on, so I kind of doubt that. Might be buddying me so that I unvote him/think he's town, might be buddying me so that I look like scum.

Can you show me where you think I have been buddying you? I'm pretty sure I have only stated that I think you're town.

233 - Pony, do you think it's good play for scum to openly admit they are PR-hunting? Further, I was not PR-hunting. That would be ridiculous.

You should take option B.

I'm not sure why you need posts to be 'wordy' either. Personally, I prefer much shorter, concise posts. Makes the game easier to read (ironic given I'm about to post this wall)

234 - Will lynch Tip for this.

235 - Will lynch Luca for this.

239 - What a fantastically useless question, Ploben. Obvious filler is obvious, obvious fake scum-hunting is obvious.

243 - You're damn right I did. Somebody should always be at L-1 & there should also always be two competing wagons.

249 - Zeb, when is PR-fishing ever a good idea? Like, this is the worst reason to unvote someone I have ever read in my life.

Zeb & Ploben are scum.

Slandaar might be the third (this is based on associatives though so need more information before I commit to it)

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254 - It was mostly waffle, you're right, but there was something in there that made me town-read you. I've seen no reason to change my town-read.

I was not PR hunting, 100%. That's like saying we should never run anyone up to L-1 and get a claim because that's blatant PR fishing, when it quite clearly isn't. The only problem is that people are not used to seeing that kind of pressure early in a game and most people don't seem to like it. I, however, find it quite useful for finding scum.

Tell me why getting a claim on page 3 is scummy and getting a claim on page 20 is not? What's the difference?

If you read any of my posts where I even so much as imply I am PR hunting, I thought it would have been fairly transparent that my posts were tongue in cheek/sarcastic, I was wrong. I understand it can be hard to pick up tone on an internet forum but I really tried to make it obvious. Anything further I was just trolling.

258 - Tip, I agree with Zeb here that you have provided very little content to this point. All I see is; 48 - self vote, 51 - vote Monkeyman, 150 vote random, 256/257 some reasoning for Scum!RM. That's it. That's your whole contribution. Something about this post bothers me;

don't forgot i had the choice of life and death re: you, kiddo

Why did you write this?

260 - Nah, it's not the having a life that bothers me. It's the signing up to the game and then not playing it. Like, literally doing nothing. It's annoying and I will PL any player that does it.

262 - Why the vote Kaboose?

263 - Zeb, I'm not scum-reading anyone for not being able to play. Can you show me where I have done that?

266 - Why am I town, Kaboose?

270 - Hey Monkeyman, we have a game going here. Would you like to contribute some content?

272 - Ploben, you think scum are likely to think along the same lines as you if you're town? You asked him to help you, would you like help from scum or from town?

273 - Pointless questions are pointless. More filler.

Can we get a wagon going on Zeb or Ploben please?

PEdit - Will lynch House as well.

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Try again.

On both accounts.

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@Kaboose - Why are you town-reading me?

@Slandaar - I summed up Tip's contributions. How is that useful?

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You think effort is indicative of alignment?

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You can respond to my point about your 272 when you're ready.

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Nobody claims to be scum, that would be silly.

But, it's great information to work with and start the game. You can analyse the wagon; who was on it, who was off it, what was their reasoning for their respective decisions? Does the claim seem believable? How do other people react to the claim etc etc. Instead of all this happening on p25 with 6 hours to go till deadline and no time to analyse the new information (usually ending in the speedlynch of someone else if the original person run up claims a PR, leaving very little information to work with) I propose we do it earlier and give ourselves 12 days to analyse the information and decide on how to proceed.

No, I'm asking why you think people have a problem with early pressure. Not everyone who gets run up claims PR, either.

PEdit - Ploben, what is your read on Slandaar? You're very good at dodging questions; ever thought of going into politics?

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I want to hear from town and scum. That's how the game works. If I think someone is town then their reads are good to align with. If I think someone is scum then their reads are good to try and figure out the mafia mind set and catch you later with them.

All information is good is this game. I appreciate your intent with the same sentiment. Your actions are speaking to that fact far louder than your words are.

Do you want to work with scum, Ploben?

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I like that reasoning Kaboose.

Though, I would say House and Luca are more useless than Tip. So, why the vote on Tip?

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Can you vote Zeb instead please?

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VOTE: Ploben

I think I'm more confident in this read actually.

Pile votes on Ploben please.

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You're assuming there is no WIFOM surrounding a potential kill on a PR N1. For example, do you think an outed PR is likely to be protected N1?

I'm not sure how you could possibly link myself and Zeb. Your paranoia further makes me believe you're town though, vote Ploben please.

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Vote him?

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Zeb, that doesn't show me scum-reading Tip and Luca, it shows I would be willing to lynch them.

Kaboose, I feel good that Ploben is scum. I would prefer to lynch a scum slot than an inactive slot.

Should their play not improve, I will gladly lynch either tomorrow. Especially House.

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Zeb, your read on Ploben please?

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Readslist:

Very Town:

Ponystar17

Town:

Kaboose

Leaning Town:

Boonskiies

Null:

randomidget, Slandaar, House

Lurk:

Luca Blight, Always Mafia

Leaning Scum:

MonkeyMan576, tip

Scum:

BlueBloodedToffee, ploben

Very Scum:

My read on BBT keeps waffling from Null to Scum as I try to figure out whether he believes in the early pressure PR fish or if he's just doing that to give scum information. Boonskiies and MonkeyMan576 are gut reads.

P-Edit: Scummy. Scummier than you, actually. My vote is on you because it gets town more info right now.

Umm, House isn't classified under lurk because....?

Kaboose replaced Always Mafia.

If you're waffling between me being null and scum how does that make me scum? Like, at the very best that makes me leaning scum surely? You don't need to justify your vote anymore.

Bus your buddy and vote Ploben.

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311 - So many stale votes in this VC.

Ugh.

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Does "Ploben's scum" count?

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So, by asking Slandaar to work with you, can I assume you are town reading him?

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Ploben needs lynching.

Seriously.

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I haven't said Ploben lied, have I?

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Oh, I didn't say it so I can't answer that question.

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Wrong. This is what you said;

I think we're on the same page but why not share your information and help us solve this?

Which implies you're town-reading Slandaar. Given you've just said you're not, this is scummy and you should be lynched for it.

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Will try catching up tonight.

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356 - Pony, I feel I have been more than clear about why I think Ploben is scum. ISO me and then vote him.

373 - ISO me. You can see why I think Ploben is scum and then you can vote him.

I don't do pre-flip associations. Also, bussing is a thing.

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375 -

I forgot you. Sorry about that. You'd be null leaning scum for lack of content per post, which I find to be EXTREMELY useful in determining scum. Your points mostly make sense though.

You find this

so

useful to find scum that you forgot to include it?

I'm not even voting you either, so, yeah...

382 - I don't do meta.

383 - Townie post right here. Even if some (majority) of it is wrong.

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Slandaar is prob town.

Random wagon is stale as fuck.

More votes on Ploben please.

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Not much going on in this game...

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Because town can be wrong?

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Nah, Pony is town.

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Interested in voting Ploben?

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383 is Pony's post.

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So... interested in voting Ploben?

Not voting is pretty much useless.

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ISO me.

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Slandaar is town because of 336.

Pony, does that also work if the opposite happens? If Ploben flips scum you sheep me for the rest of the game?

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I did, the only thing I could find was that you think he's dodging questions.

Oh.

Put your vote to use.

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Contribute your vote to that wagon then.

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That's a stale wagon.

Ugh. I'm disappointed by your decision.

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You should probably do something more than just vote then.

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Same for House & Luca, right?

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& Kaboose and maybe Boon as well?

Why Random over those 4?

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Oh.

You should probably read the game fully before making your vote.

Especially when the vote is really bad.

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You're making it very evident you're not reading this game.

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If I show you that my reasoning is more than just dodging questions; you'll vote him?

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No. You said I have no other reasoning, if I show you that I do and you're not actually reading, I want your vote.

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BBT (#407):
Sorry to disappoint you, Blue, but no. I'm more likely to trust you because bussing on Day 1 is a terrible move for scum, but it doesn't eliminate the possibility that you're either scum or simply wrong. I'm just scum looking for an excuse to lynch you if he flips town.

I think it's only fair if you're willing to lynch me if I'm wrong that you should be willing to sheep me if I'm right.

I don't suppose you could elaborate on why #336 makes Slandaar scum? Sure, he's actually putting some effort in, but he's basically just summarizing the game (albeit subjectively), not analyzing it. That post looks pretty null to me, although it bothers me a bit that he makes a completely nonsensical point against MonkeyMan.

Regarding your more recent posts, why is the ploben wagon less stale than the randomidget one? As far as I can see, neither of them has posted much of substance in the last few pages.

Sure. Conviction. His case is weak but he seems to genuinely believe in it.

Ploben wagon is less stale because a) he's scum and b) I'm on it.

Votes on Random have been sitting there for a long time with no developments and no-one actually pushing the wagon very hard at all.

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I'm not going to vote for reasoning I don't agree with, you're acting pretty rediculous.

Don't know why I didn't see this.

You claimed I had no other reasoning. I said I would show you this reasoning that you 'missed' if it bought your vote. Your reluctance leads me to believe you were lying and you did in fact see my other points for Ploben scum.

430 - And House isn't? What's the difference, Pisskop?

Prodge.

Play or I'm lynching you.

440 - Show me where my logic is 'misguided', Monkey?

439 - Defensiveness doesn't equal scum. Join Ploben wagon please.

447 - Again, defensiveness doesn't equal scum. Get back on the Ploben wagon please?

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But you said I didn't have any other reasoning so where is this objection coming from? If I had no other reasoning, you would agree to voting if I could show you some, because you don't think it exists.

Do you see the problem here?

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Is House your scumread atm?
. I've noted House's odd play (for him in my experience), but nobody is pushing him. Tomorrow if he fails to play I'd be much, much more interested in House.


The major difference between Rando and House, to me, is that House hasn't done anything scummy; he just hasn't done anything pro-town either.

Yeah, but you're not scum-reading Random for scummy reasons;

Rando is a lurker. That's what it boils down to. Everything else is an emergent property of that.

So, Random is lurking & House is lurking. Why the vote on Random?

No, he isn't. I would PL him though.

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Nope, your logic is still bad.

Yeah.

My

logic is bad.

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459 - How are you town-reading House? Show me specific posts that point to Town!House.

460 - House isn't a scum-read of mine but I would PL him.

468 - Not even a Day in most cases. Like, D1 is mostly a shot in the dark anyway. PL's are best done D1 imo.

477 - Your current thoughts, Luca?

478 - Why you wanna vote Random, House?

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Acting townier than usual doesn't equal town-read?

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In fact, you said 'even townier' than usual.

Not sure how this doesn't equate to a town-read.

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503 - Why is Ploben town?

Did you miss this Slandaar or choose to ignore it?

382 - I don't do meta.

504 - Zeb, you appear to have forgotten why you voted Ploben. You think your current vote on Ploben was this;

If you don't like that there was a attempt to force a claim early, why were you on the wagon that tried to force the claim? Why were you the

L-1

in that wagon? VOTE: Ploben

When in actual fact, your current vote was this one;

BBT:

Thanks for the bussing advice, I really appreciate it!

VOTE: Ploben (Real reason: the BBT wagon's not going through today, and the Ploben one might.)

I want a lynch on BBT or Ploben (BBT is scummy, Ploben outright lied)

Seriously, Zeb and Ploben could be scum together. I don't do associatives pre-flip, so can we lynch Ploben, have him flip scum and then lynch Zeb please?

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508 - Tentative stab from Ploben enquiring about the possibilities of Scum!Tip.

This is also very generic. His 'early behaviour', 'sudden drop off' and 'replacement request'...what do these mean? How are they alignment indicative? What are your thoughts behind saying these things?

510 - Very weak explanation of his (Ploben's) scum-read on Tip. His posting was 'odd.' I mean, none of the last 5 lines in this post point towards any reasoning for Scum!Tip.

I guess I'm trying to read more than I should into the way he played then the sudden drop off and now his replacement.

Then the back off when he realizes how weak his argument is and back to the generic statements.

Ploben is scum. Let's lynch him.

PEdit - Boon, help me with my bussing theory. Vote Ploben.

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519 - Not sure why you felt the need to say you were town reading me here. Also, I can assure you I could quite easily replicate this as scum.

Considering you're town-reading me, I find it strange you're not reading my posts. I specifically stated my thought on Zeb/Ploben.

520 - Can you condense this post into why Tip is scum, Pony? There is a lot of analysis that you haven't attributed to being town/scum.

Pony, defensiveness does not equal scum.

I'm aware we are running out of time. You should join the Ploben wagon.

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521 - Boon, I'll explain more on the links if I am correct. Remind me about this post.

I also feel like you just told me you were scum...you just WIFOM'ed the shit out of me.

523 - When you flip scum, I'm lynching Zeb. If by some miracle you flip town, I'll reevaluate. Am I pushing the reason for you being scum as associatives? No, I'm not. I've mentioned it because a) it's a note in the game to remind me and b) I want other people to be aware of it for later in the game.

You're scum independent of Zeb. There is no contradiction.

I'm not sure my Mafia team can help me. I need to get to N1 first so I can speak to them.

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Consistency and clarity are things.

?

PEdit - OMGUS.

Come at me Ploben.

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And because the random wagon is dead with one of those votes coming from a replacement player.

Keep those additional reasons coming in to justify your vote.

Oh sorry BBT, and because OMGUS

COME. AT. ME. PLOBEN!

WHAT YA GOT?

@BBT.

If I ask its for clarity and/or consistency purposes.

Fair enough, I thought I had been pretty clear.

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Aww, I wanna town-read you for that post alone.

Shame the rest of your play has been so scummy.

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Tip is town.

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You're nowhere near obvtown.

I can assure you of that.

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Reads House?

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546 - The main problem I have with this post is the 'disinterested townie persona'. I don't see Tip like that at all, I think he is trolling, but I wouldn't say he is disinterested. Why is it more likely the persona is fake than his emotions? Have you heard of AtE?

Also, I know a lot of players who do not bother reading people's posts if it's not about them. Egos are a thing. Not sure how that makes him scum either.

At the time I posted it, I think Tip was town from his latest couple of posts. It could have come from scum (if he enjoys playing as scum) but I got a townie feel from them, especially the post about really wanting to play. Since then, you only have to look at the speed of Tip's wagon and the people on it to see that he is town. I will go into a little more detail in my next post.

Also, please join my Ploben wagon. We have 20+ pages of information, that is more than enough for D1. I'm ready for this to end.

Clarification for read on Ploben: I thought he was dodging questions, I ISO'd him, and he wasn't dodging questions. Sure, he's avoiding the game, but nowhere near on the level of tip or House.

Nah, this doesn't answer what I asked you. You was not voting Ploben for not answering your questions. You unvoted him after that and voted him for different reasoning which you seem to have forgotten about. Address this please.

Also, your reasoning for jumping on the Tip wagon is scummy when I consider Pony's case on Tip fairly weak.

550 - Why am I town, Boon?

551 - Genuinely laughed out loud. But seriously, what are your reads on the players in this game House?

555 -

He seems to be purposefully lurking, like he could say more if he wanted to but is just deciding not to to avoid criticism.

This is just gold. GOLD. Hypocrite.

559 - And here comes Ploben. I have not long said he was looking to try and jump on the Tip wagon, and lo and behold, here he comes. Please see my 517 for further explanation.

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VOTE: tip
I'm following house

We all know the OMGUS story.

VOTE: tip

I already stated in earlier posts that tip was useless. He kept posting useless stuff so I don't want him in this game anymore.

What?

Policy-lynch at best.

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VOTE: tip's slot

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The only person who I feel has tried to justify their vote on the Tip wagon.

Ok, I can get behind a tip wagon.

Vote: Tip

Random is scum too, though.

Doesn't say why Tip is scum. Thinks Random is hard bussing D1.

VOTE: tipEVERYTHING is Pony's case makes sense.

Goes along with what I consider to be a weak case. This is strong enough for an L-2 vote, really?

I'll make this nice and easy for everyone to track back to this when coming up for arguments to lynch me, especially you BBT.

VOTE: tip

Tip is L-1

Again, no reasoning. And this is an L-1 vote. Seriously, what the fuck?

Look at this wagon, look how it built up and look at people's reasoning for being on it. We should be lynching from this wagon, I reckon there is at least two scum on it.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Vote Ploben before you log off please Pony.

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Or we could lynch Ploben because he has been the scummiest player by far?

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Votes on Ploben please.

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Pisskop and curious your votes are wasted.

Do something with them.

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& House as well.

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That would be even worse.

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Nah, I'd rather you vote Ploben.

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Indeed.

But I can try.

Why don't you want to vote scum?

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My bad.

Didn't see that.

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Vote Count 1.21

randommidget: (3) tip, Slandaar, ploben

(L-2)

tip: (5) randommidget, Kaboose, Ponystar17, Zebulin, House
Zebulin: (1) pisskop
ploben: (3) BlueBloodedToffee, Boonskiies, MonkeyMan576

Not Voting: curiouskamadog

With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.

Deadline: (expired on 2015-03-11 19:13:20)

Mod Notes:

Here.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

588 - Ploben is scum. Seriously. Look at this. He joins the Random wagon because Tip and Slandaar are on it. I mean, firstly Tip. The guy he placed at L-1 and was happy to lynch and now he is joining a wagon because he is on it? What is that about?

Then Slandaar. When I pressed Ploben on his town-read on Slandaar he said it was 'very, very, slightly town'. Obviously town enough for Ploben to use him as a justification for joining a wagon.

Ploben, why is Tip suddenly town now? He certainly wasn't town when you put him at L-1.

595 - PonyStar, I think this is the 2nd/3rd time you have mentioned that Ploben looks scummy to you and yet you haven't even come close to placing a vote on him. Why is that?

Also, why am I town?

598 - I don't think someone responding to a wagon on them (if that's even what he was doing) is particularly alignment indicative. Some people just don't like being wagoned, regardless of alignment.

599 - Boon could be scum.

I'm 'super obvious when I'm not town' and then you say 'even if I'm not obvious as scum'...which is it? I don't think you know my game well enough to say that.

People town-reading me with ease worry me.

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618 - Zeb, tell me how Tip vs Random is town vs mafia.

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629 - Pony, same question to you. What tells you that

one

of Tip and Random is scum?

I'm really disliking Pony's recent posts.

630 - I'm sorry Slandaar, none of those are alignment indicative.

633 - Really don't like this post. Just hits me as scum and it's hard to explain.

637 - Why is Tip so town to you now Monkey?

651 - Pony, the amount of posturing you're doing to join either a Ploben or a Monkey wagon is frighteningly scummy. I'm really disliking your recent posts. You keep stating how scummy Ploben and Monkey are whilst sitting on Tip (the largest wagon I should point out) the whole time.

652 - What?!? Zeb, you're OK with lynching Random because, in your opinion, it gives you insight into

one

players alignment? Are you serious?

Like, Monkey is scummy and he comes

after

Random in your lynch order? Wow.

655 - Yay, House is doing something. I like this post.

658 - Interested in your change of reads here Zeb. Firstly, why have I moved from town to null?

Secondly, if Tip vs Random is town vs mafia, and you're scum-reading Tip...why is Random null? That surely makes him town, no?

660 - Pisskop, what info do you expect to gain from Ploben's lynch? Not sure how you're coming up with nulls on both slots either.

669 - This is weak from Pony. A reaction test? Are you serious? What reactions where you trying to elicit?

More posturing to join Ploben wagon as well. Your last few posts have been pretty scummy. More than pretty scummy actually.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

VOTE: Zeb

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UNVOTE:

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VOTE: Tip

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Zeb is town if Tip is scum.

If Tip is scum we lynch Pony.

If Tip is town, we lynch Zeb.

Easy.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

I love you Boon.

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I wonder how long we got in twilight.

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Why did that change?

[BlueBloodedToffee]

I did not visit Zeb.

Also, Random is scum. Why the fuck would he shoot Zeb when he quite blatantly soft-claimed a PR. You would also claim you shot him for the exact reason as CKD is pointing out...to explain away why you visited him in case you got tracked.

VOTE: Random

Going to do some VCA. Back later.

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UNVOTE:

Already seeing things to make me doubt this.

Pisskop is also town.

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I also ended the day yesterday actually thinking Boon was scum sooo....

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Dude, you're such a donkey.

Also also, before I forget... Who's the donkey now?

Bitch.

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Yeah, I'm pretty sure Random and Pisskop are town.

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Scum is in Boon/Monkeyman.

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ISO Mod...Check out VC's 1.05, 1.06, 1.07, 1.10, 1.11, 1.12, 1.14, 1.15, 1.16, 1.17, 1.19, 1.21, 1.22, 1.23 & 1.24.

In all of those VCs, BOTH Ploben and tip sit on Random. There is no way scum hard buss like this when a lot of the time they are the leading wagon or a competing wagon.

Random was a CW. Random is town.

Upon rereading I am not

as

sure with Pisskop being town, but I still believe it's likely he is.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Random is not scum.

VOTE: Monkey

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Pisskop explained it pretty well.

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Oh shit.

He said he is town.

He must be town.

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If you're town, then Boon is scum, and you should vote him.

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@Pony - He said 'he KNOWS' tip is scum. Obvious guilty on said player = obvious PR.

Pisskop is town because I find it highly unlikely 3 scum sat on a wagon (random) that was going nowhere. In a few VCs, the only people voting Random are Ploben, tip and pisskop. Doesn't fit that they're all scum.

Because when Plobeb/tip where in danger of being lynched they just sat on Random anyway. They needed to set up a viable CW, Random was it. Scum do not hard buss when they're in danger of being lynched. Not both of them anyway.

No, it doesn't. If Random is a vig it's quite possibly the worst shot I have ever seen (this is the only thing that points to Random scum because it's such a dumb move after Zeb gave us scum) but scum would for sure kill Zeb.

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CW = Counter-wagon.

Usually, if a leading wagon is on a scum member, their buddies will try to push an alternative wagon (on town) in an attempt to stop their buddy being lynched without actually outright defending them.

Tip didn't know who was scum? You've lost me there.

Because they were the leading wagons? If scum are likely to get lynched, why wouldn't they try to stop that from happening?

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That's a good point.

I hadn't thought of that.

PEdit - I'll need to look into House. Still liking Boon or Monkey though.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

VOTE: House

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Fuck it, town deserves to lose if they're going to follow dipshits.

VOTE: House

Everybody should be voting House.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

CKD who are you waiting for answers from?

/phoneposting

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Given everyone else has said no and you're looking for two more people....do you think we can get to the point now?

[BlueBloodedToffee]

We can always speedlynch him?

PEdit - Yeah.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Given everyone else has said no and you're looking for two more people....do you think we can get to the point now?

nope, I am not confirming if anyone has lied (or not).

there is much to be seen and heard..just look at people votes and wagons(ie the speed of), since I mentioned I had this information.

any reason you are in a rush with over 10 days to go?

I want to see everyone interactions in case we have 2 scum left.

Yeah, I'm bored of this back and forth you insist on having.

You're holding the entire game up. Sure you can claim Boon is, but you have information that you're withholding from town.

Just because we have 10 days, it doesn't mean we should use them.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

VOTE: Boon

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I knew something was off with you Boon. Your early buddying of me didn't sit right; as well as your strong town-read on me.

Eh, I feel if anything I'm buddying with BBT more than House. House and I are just conversing while scum hunting, adding a bit of fun to the game.

Also, ploben, BBT isn't scum. Try a different mislynch.

Bold is legit coaching.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Well done Kaboose.

More votes on Boon please.

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This ^^.

I'm completely passed caring about what CKD has to say now.

Lynch Boon.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

I'm pushing hard for this lynch.

You've had more than enough time and you've got enough information to do whatever it is you're trying to do.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

I don't think I'm the one who needs to calm down.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Boon says no, he didn't visit Zeb.

What happens?

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Boon says yeah, he did visit Zeb.

What happens?

[BlueBloodedToffee]

?

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Who has lied?

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UNVOTE:

*Waits for epiphany post from CKD*

[BlueBloodedToffee]

VOTE: Boon

[BlueBloodedToffee]

oh come on BBT?!?!

no comment, nothing?!

What do I need to comment on?

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Yeah, I do.

I apologize for getting impatient.

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Haha, it's game over.

No way there is 4 scum in this game.

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If the game doesn't end, it's more likely we're dealing with a 3rd party imo.

I don't think I have seen a 4 man scum team in a 13p game yet.

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My awkward trust for the people I like playing with is really going to come back and haunt me eventually...

I knew I didn't like this post! You cheeky scumfuck hahaha!

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Thanks for modding Cheery Dog.