(Hilariously) Unbalanced Mafia 2 [Over]

[Pirate Ika]

answer: you're scum

Why the fuck would Titus-scum fakeclaim results when it ends in her being lynched when discovered?

she fakeclaimed a tracker result on the fbi agent cos she was convinced they were they sk. they were lynched for it, flipped fbi agent then she was lynched d3 and flipped scum. she is derp regardless of her alignment and I think it is pretty obs the only pple who want to keep her around are scum which is 1 of the few points against you wis.

what do you think of her saying that we were not nked despite us hammering both scum lynches and me hard fosing 1 who was xkilled? you are strangely quiet about that.

* re fakeclai - you cld be any1

[Pirate Ika]

i can see both impossibear and blizzrd being scums of diffrent teams

ank we were not informed of an attack on n1

[Pirate Ika]

hsomethign not adding up

[Pirate Ika]

My only problem is why isn't scum taking out the cops?

cus all the cops are full of shit?

---

n1: 6 kills could happen
n2: 5 kills happened (we took one)
n3: 4 kills happened

if flavors are suppose to be consistent we are missing the fertalizer kill twice now

[Pirate Ika]

well titus cop at least, i can somewhat agree with PV!gunsmith

[Pirate Ika]

faciset=silenced
dictaor=bloddy pulp
hippie=fertalizer
shot=???
killed=???
stabbed=???

pedit i want to lynch blizzard and see anchivo be vigged

[Pirate Ika]

when mollie gets around i will talk with her and sync im tired and shit

[Pirate Ika]

fucking hell, this is annoying now what other factions (other then sk for stab) is floating aorund

pedit: god damn it im too tired for this shit

[Pirate Ika]

faciset=silenced
dictaor=bloddy pulp
hippie=fertalizer
shot=???
killed=???
stabbed=awsome

updated, then what would shot/killed be?

[Pirate Ika]

ok im presuming shot is another vig role cus kling was almsot univeraly scum read to that point and i dont see scums taking out other scums at this point int he game

oh we have no commie flips...

[Pirate Ika]

i want to see these 2 flip atm: blizzard and impossibear

pedit: possible but right now im tired and i need to liek outwifom myself into thinking a 1000 diffren scnarios then then go occam razor to what make sense usaly when im tired i go steam of couns and jsut post what pops in my head

[Pirate Ika]

Mollie/Ika slot needs vigged.

why wld you ask the vig to vig us when we have another shot to absorb? it wld be a wasted shot.

I am organizing my notes in a post give me a few.

[Pirate Ika]

also did bulba say whom he was going to protect? cos that might explain the n3 missing nk.

[Pirate Ika]

claims

elk thing - tracker, tracked

shos

to awsum n1, tracked

klingon

n2 and got no result, forgot to put in night results on n3
awsum - miller sk town vig tried to nk

shos

n1,

flum

n2,

wis

n3
muffin - neighbour/miller
inmates thing - so far only neighbour
zarella - cop, n1 inno on ns, n2 guilty on

shos

perv - guilty on

prohawk

n1, zarella n2, roleblocked n3
titus - cop, guilty on

shos

n1, inno on

wis

n2, guilty on perv n3
us - bp, absorbs a nk on n4

so that leaves ank, ns, and guille not claiming. and loosely inmates thing.

hey guys its 11 alive. do you mind full claiming with potentially 3 scum of different factions alive altho this might not be true. there cld be 1, 2 or 3 left the fad nowadays is to have asymmetrical multifactions. I think claiming wld help tho cos you 3 (4 if we include inmates thing) are the odd people out.

I am trying to sort things out and organize my thoughts.

[Pirate Ika]

*n2

[Pirate Ika]

actually can we hear about ALL of bulba's protections from the hood? I want to add that to my notes. I am assuming he protected shos n1 but clarity wld be a blessing.

[Pirate Ika]

Why do you suppose he told the hood? They would just avoid shooting his target.

Can you give input on who I should cop ika?

well first that was alll mollie posting

second why would he not? they were all town reading each other.

and finally im too tired to go look for who you should be copping at this point in time

[Pirate Ika]

okay so compiling my notes...

tammy who were you jked by on n1 again?

[Pirate Ika]

yes muffin I hear you

[Pirate Ika]

okay so compiling my notes...

tammy who were you jked by on n1 again?

nm prohawk

[Pirate Ika]

then plz explain to us what flavor is our kills and who we killed and why

if you have seen you could be anybody 2 you would already know that mollie and i are not an sk based on how we would be playing it

[Pirate Ika]

i can also tell you right now that if we were an sk titus would of been dead n1 for a multitude of reasons

[Pirate Ika]

i can also tell you right now that if we were an sk titus would of been dead n1 for a multitude of reasons

Wifom. You killing me means the target goes straight back to you. Plus I was outed cop and most likely a heal target so you probably cannot kill me as long as a doc lives...

Hmm..that's a point against massclaim.

how about i tell you for a fucking fact that we want you dead in this game for so fucking long. half of the post that were made you presume its me when its fucking mollie.

also i dont think mollie and i would care if it came back to us. if anythign we could basicly say "well they killed a cop claimer"

your so far head up ass that you cant even figure shit out, you were practicly shoving shos lynch for 3 fucking days when i was telling you for fuckign ever he was fucking town and if you go back to vc mollie was the one who put that vote there and i was at work. she was fed up with shos not talking to her.

you were nowhwere close to being a "obvious heal target" hack even if you were i would just flat out target you again. bulb targeted awsome n1, n2-3 he targetet someone else iirc. DGB would almost never target you and even if she did its 2 nights only (so you would be dead n3) if farside protected you you would of been dead n2.

so dont you even start with your wifomy bsitty stuff. we already claimed our role and i have never said anything about being against massclaims

pedit:

1) so x-shot BP is in a 2 man scum team? plz tell me what faction i belong to then
2) ok then tell us what flavor we are and why we wouldn enact those kills

[Pirate Ika]

Preeeetty sure pirate ika is town.

I've had two town reads I've felt good about all game. The blizzard one has taken a hit, I don't want the other one too

you could always just nk titus to shut her up? for me and mollie it would make the game 10 times better.

we like spent the last 5 days talking about how bad titus is fi shes town and how bad her scum game is

[Pirate Ika]

You're a cop, investigate them.

^that, if your a fcukign cop titus just fucking cop us dont even bring more wifomy bs into the game

[Pirate Ika]

1)What wifom? You've been bringing that in to discredit me. Highlighting it is not improper.

2)The SK needs some sort of power. (Awesome without SK makes no sense). Deathproof makes sense.

3)Also, where is ika's usual push for massclaim? His trolling? Why couldn't I talk to Mollie at the early game to read her?

1) deathproof, aslo you are the one who brought it up not me

2) so X-shot BP deathproof SK makes sense? plz tell me more about this nonsene i hear from you. its imballenced, i mean look at capcom they had all red hearrings. what if thats the same here?

3) i did troll and i did do that, it has mostly been put into check though by mollie cus she dislikes it when i do such thing

[Pirate Ika]

pm is catching up right now titus so if you want her she will be here shortly but be aware we are both going to be here and we already dont really care for you

[Pirate Ika]

Hmm..that's a point against massclaim.

this is what i was refering to titus about against massclaim

[Pirate Ika]

3) LOL. Right... blame Mollie. Is that seriously going to be your reasoning for everything?

DONT YOU EVEN DARE TITUS.......

NOT EVEN MOLLIE WILL STOP ME FROM UNLEASHING FULL FUCKING IRE AND RAGE ONTO YU IF YOU EVEN TRY THAT SHIT WITH ME.

im trying real fucking hard to keep my rageposting in check and really you are pushing it to the fucking limits.

Point blank, mollie is literally the only reason i have been able to keep myself in check. But you should know full fucking well that if you try such a blatant thing like that i will fucking rage fest you to the fucking end and even mollie wont stop it.

MOLLIE WHEN YOU GET HERE PLZ CALL ME ASAP, IM ABOUT TO FUCKING LOSE MY NEVRVE

[Pirate Ika]

Honestly this specific Titus vs. ika argument feels TvT to me. Not saying they're both town, but more that metaphorical town points are added to both of them from this argument, as they both seem to be from a town perspective in it. Anyone else have thoughts on the argument?

i wouldnt put it beyond that but titus blaintents leaps of logic and misreps and basic failue to understand some things just builts up myire so fucking fast.

eel can you tell me what your reads are atm? i need someone else to talk to while mollie is still catching up

[Pirate Ika]

The likely hood of scum having fake roles or even real roles Like Prohawk and Klingon Makes me think that a massclaim would help no one but scum.

bullshit. the purpose of masscalim is not to try to solve through roles cos as I have been saying since this d1, it is so that we can lock people into claims and make them accountable for their play. this is what we did in the in the last game and won the person who didn't want to massclaim was scum!ika so you are looking pretty scummy here guille!

[Pirate Ika]

Titus - the only claimed millers are me, ankamius and muffin.

Guille - there might be more than two on each team, they could be asymmetrical too, but there is no denying that there are fewer night kills.

Oh also, when the second dictator was gone, wisdom mentioned that that team was likely wiped out, which suggests his team was two. First thought anyway.

Impossibear is almost definitely scum though.

we absorbed a nk on d2

I feel like I am speaking into the void.

[Pirate Ika]

*n2

[Pirate Ika]

Ika, your compulsive Titus-hate is really getting old.

fuck off, unless if you really knwo the history that she and i share you have like 0 say in the matter

thank you for basicly insunating that shes just dump town now though

[Pirate Ika]

Guille - there might be more than two on each team, they could be asymmetrical too, but there is no denying that there are fewer night kills.

We are certain that there are at least one town doc and one scum doc. Who knows how many protective roles are out there.

Besides, I usually don't like to speculate exact numbers unless I see reasonable reason to do so, and there is none.

how are you certain that there is a scum doc?

[Pirate Ika]

Titus - the only claimed millers are me, ankamius and muffin.

Guille - there might be more than two on each team, they could be asymmetrical too, but there is no denying that there are fewer night kills.

Oh also, when the second dictator was gone, wisdom mentioned that that team was likely wiped out, which suggests his team was two. First thought anyway.

Impossibear is almost definitely scum though.

we absorbed a nk on d2

I feel like I am speaking into the void.

...I never said you didn't? In fact that is in my list for missing kills, but your absorbing a kill on night two does not explain why the number of kills went from 6 on night one (including my failed one) and 3 last night.

last night there were 4 kills

night 1 had up to 6: 5 accounted for and yours
night 2 had 5: 4 accounted for and us

If we look at missing kills, this actaly says that dictators are bloddy pulp

night 3 has 4 kills

im presuming that hippie kill failed for some reason

[Pirate Ika]

my best guess is we either have another doc or that white mage took affect (remember itis active for 2 nights so DBG would portect for night 2 and 3)

[Pirate Ika]

Okay but I don't get your point. My point was that fewer kills indicate that at least one or two scum team is wiped out, so. Yeah, don't get it.

let me try it like this:

the kill flavors are as follow:
shot
killed
silenced
beaten to a bloody pulp
shredded into fertilizer
stabbed

n1:
the kill falvors that were shown

shot = town

killed = hit dictator

silenced = town
beaten to a bloody pulp = town
shredded into fertilizer = town

whats missing:

stab

(explained by being JK)

day 2: we lynch hawk who was also dictator

n2:
the kills that were shown

shot
killed
silenced
stabbed

whats missing:

shredded into fertilizer
beaten to a bloody pulp

extra info: we took a shot on that night.
so in turn: we were bloody pulp or fertilizer

if we go occam razor: bloody pulp is the dictator kill and they were eliminated day 2 meaning one nk is gone

n3:

shot
killed
silenced
stabbed

whats missing:
bloody pulp and fertilizer

what we can basically conclude: since kling was alive during the time and could enact a nk. their kill failed that night

[Pirate Ika]

does that make any more sense awsome?

[Pirate Ika]

Ika, your compulsive Titus-hate is really getting old.

fuck off, unless if you really knwo the history that she and i share you have like 0 say in the matter

thank you for basicly insunating that shes just dump town now though

NOBODY CARES. Just leave your stupid history out of the game!

I KNOW BUT ITS KINDA FUCKING HARD TO FUCKING IGNORE HER WHEN SHE BLAITNETLY MISREPS AND MAKES SUCH STUPID ASSUMPTIONS ABOUT ME.

[Pirate Ika]

FIN3: ya hes getting lynch cus hes not even contibuting at this point. and using his "role" to say why he should live is to me a scum claim cus last game someone did that, we lynched them and they were scum

[Pirate Ika]

Jesus Christ.

I don't appreciate condescension such as "it feels like I'm talking to the void" when a) I've already listed your absorbing a night kill and b) you're misding my point.

that was mollie saying that part about void thing so when shes caught up you can get with her

B) then what am i missing?

pedit: ahhhhh ok, that makes more sense sorry

[Pirate Ika]

shos - 9 (Wisdom, Titus,

BlizZard

, alivechihiro, Klingoncelt, guille2015, Pirate Ika, Nobody Special, Frightened inmate number3)

yes you staving off the shos myslynch is great when he was also a claimed cop (and again before anyone states that we were part of it that was entirly PM, im also lazy to get in hydra atm so one sec

[Pirate Ika]

Sorry I jumped at you. I've been sick in bed all day and I'm miserable.

its fine, im waitng on mollie to catch up

shos - 9 (Wisdom, Titus,

BlizZard

, alivechihiro, Klingoncelt, guille2015, Pirate Ika, Nobody Special, Frightened inmate number3)

yes you staving off the shos myslynch is great when he was also a claimed cop (and again before anyone states that we were part of it that was entirly PM, im also lazy to get in hydra atm so one sec

It's different. We had every reason to believe he was scum. And look how, excluding you and Titus (who had a guilty on him too), there are six other players on that wagon, none of them sane cops with a guilty on him. And sure, Wisdom and Klingon were scum, but Chihiro wasn't, neither is NS and what about guille and FIN? Are they both scum? No? Are they cops? Did they have guilties on Shos too perhaps?

are you saying that guile and fin are both town now off nothing? you basicly mudflinging to me nothing cus i dont care about your claim anymore FIN has already showed the discord you have.

Also seeing how shos role pm for cop pretty much 100% diffrent from what yoru saying. so tell me what your going to flip again?

[Pirate Ika]

also if you were to like look at day 1 wagons you would see that scums were stockpiling shos

[Pirate Ika]

He's gonna flip scum, but not sure what faction.

well we have 2 unknown factions and the rest are gone so.... wanna spec on what faciton eh is?

[Pirate Ika]

Titus - the only claimed millers are me, ankamius and muffin.

Guille - there might be more than two on each team, they could be asymmetrical too, but there is no denying that there are fewer night kills.

Oh also, when the second dictator was gone, wisdom mentioned that that team was likely wiped out, which suggests his team was two. First thought anyway.

Impossibear is almost definitely scum though.

we absorbed a nk on d2

I feel like I am speaking into the void.

...I never said you didn't? In fact that is in my list for missing kills, but your absorbing a kill on night two does not explain why the number of kills went from 6 on night one (including my failed one) and 3 last night.

that is why I said that there was a possibility of asymmetrical scumteams and pointed out that it was the fad these days.

I swear to fucking god if pple start with that sk bullshit with me again after the bullshit I went through in you cld be any1 I am flat out not playing and every1 can deal with just ika. I put in a ton of work in this game just like I did in that but I am still very very raw and burnt from it. tammy for context, in you cld be any1 garmr death tunneled the living fuck out of me there were over

400 hundred dedicated to him trying to convince every1 that I was sk

. I was vt. this went on for 2 months IRL time. it made the game miserable for me and it was starting to effect me in all my games and IRL. nacho saw what was going on, saw that I was in very real danger of getting suspended so pmed the mod and then me saying that he was replacing me and then he did and lo! and behold garmr loses his sk read. do you know who was in that game? titus.

I will not go through that again. I am tired of getting shit on in games that I have put a ton of work in. we have been playing from a very town perspective and I spent 2 hours compiling my notes to see if any patterns jumped out at me. I feel like all the pieces are here we just got to put them together. will you plz help me?

I am going to the store to get some wine cos it is still snow fun week and then I am going to spend the rest of the day drinking it. so you will probably get drunk mollie by tonight.

also NACHO IS COMING TO VISIT IN MARCH!!!! so I am pretty elated right now and I am not going to let titus's stupidity and abysmal play pierce my happy bubble.

be right back in a few.

eta: christ will catch up again when I get back.
eta2: ika plz hush you are making it hard to catch up. talk to me you can go with me to the store on the phone even tho I feel cellphone use in public is obnoxious.

[Pirate Ika]

Mollie what have you found from your notes so far?

ika is actually working from them too (I use google doc spreadsheets). I will compile a colour coded list of info. I wish we had verticle columns on here that were easy to access but I am going to just post in 1 verticle column but if you open a file, do a screen catch and then put them side you will be looking at what I am looking at.

<3 mollie I will be around all day except for a short time when I HAVE to go in to work tonight, but then I'll be back. So as long as I don't fall asleep, I'm here. I am sick though, so could be very loopy...and miserable...and grumpy.

you know what? lets blame nacho. I told him to give you a hug for me when he saw you and when I asked him if he did he said he only gave you 1 for himself. selfish bastard.

okay working on colour coded post now.

[Pirate Ika]

TITUS I SEE YOU POSTING ELSEWHERE, GET YOUR FUCKING ASS IN HERE NOW THAT MOLLIE IS HERE

[Pirate Ika]

d1 top 2 wagons:

toon

fin
guille

arc

bulba

ank

far

titus
muffin

shos

flum

dgb

eysore/impossible bear
awsum
us

shos

elk boy

klingon

hawk

jackel

wis

toon

pine

zarella
alchey

scum were defo dog piling onto shos.

going to do nks next.

eta: titus just stfu. or better yet if you are town go do some amazing vca that you are always bragging about cos I have yet to see it. ever. and I am noting it that you are distinctly not doing it in this game.

<<< Mod edit to fix tags. >>>

[Pirate Ika]

whoops alchey shld be a bold strike through in green

[Pirate Ika]

just an fyi so titus doesnt get fucking stupid and think its me:

that last 2 posts are entirely mollie. we are both here and she is on the phone with me but right now. she already knows my ire is rapidly building form this game. so any post made are presumed to be mollie untill otherwise

[Pirate Ika]

shot

n1

arc

n2

dgb

n3

klingon

stabbed by awsum

n1 0
n2

flum

n3

wis

killed

n1

jackal

n2

flum

n3

alivechiro

fertilize

n1

alchey

n2 0 (

klingon was blocked

)
n3 0

beaten

n1

pine

n2 0
n3 0

silenced

n1

far

n2

eddie

n3

bulba

[Pirate Ika]

shot

n1

arc

n2

dgb

n3

klingon

stabbed by awsum

n1 0 (jailkept by hawk)
n2

flum

n3

wis

killed

n1

jackal

n2

flum

n3

alivechiro

fertilize

n1

alchey

n2 0 (

klingon was blocked

)

(i presume that we took that shot)

n3 0

(unknown)

beaten

n1

pine

n2 0
n3 0

silenced

n1

far

n2

eddie

n3

bulba

added in my basic notes

-ika

[Pirate Ika]

okay so looking at all of that i am going to take in that the hood might be all town, cos bulba said mastina has a tendency to treat neighbours as masons, so I am laying off of them for a minute. that is fin and muffin.

I think tammy is town. the nks are beauftiful, she hit scum both times. defo staying off of her.

I am with tammy on the zarella townread and I wld hate to lynch some1 who has been part of our triumvirate and yes I am calling a 3 player town team against a herd of scum. fortunately they seem to be too busy killing each other. the zarella read is taking a hit with the shos guilty on them but zarella is not crazy for thinking that there might be a tailor in this game since there was 1 in the first 1. so hhhhhmmmm....gonna have to ponder this. zarella also claim a guilty on impossibear in 1519. which stacks up against the read I have on both heads.

I think impossibear are scum here.

I also think they are the 1s to most likely nk us on n2 after subbing in on d2. and eyesore did not look town to me.

perv, if you are town, cld you plz be a dear and look for who stayed away from the red and blue teams cos 2 flipped for each voted shos back to back on d1. even if you are a dirty filthy free spirited hippie plz do this. I am treating you as town by the way just based off of your play.

I lean town on ank just based on play.

what I am trying to do is bottleneck scum's options and try to rally together town.

[Pirate Ika]

you know what? lets blame nacho. I told him to give you a hug for me when he saw you and when I asked him if he did he said he only gave you 1 for himself. selfish bastard.

That jerk.

inorite

this just means that I will have to visit chicago and make him or skrew drive me up to see you so I can give you 1 myself.

[Pirate Ika]

Just read through alchemist and it makes sense for the hippie kill.

I'm thinking the beaten to a pulp was the dictator's who were probably wiped out with Prohawk's lynch day two.

Those poor hippies, just no luck with their kill shots past night one. I am surprised that klingon didn't try to shoot titus though since they're from another site together. Also our night two kill choice was between flum and klingon, I could have wiped them out that night :/

what do you think of guille's not wanting to massclaim?

[Pirate Ika]

okay so looking at all of that i am going to take in that the hood might be all town, cos bulba said mastina has a tendency to treat neighbours as masons, so I am laying off of them for a minute. that is fin and muffin.

I think tammy is town. the nks are beauftiful, she hit scum both times. defo staying off of her.

I am with tammy on the zarella townread and I wld hate to lynch some1 who has been part of our triumvirate and yes I am calling a 3 player town team against a herd of scum. fortunately they seem to be too busy killing each other. the zarella read is taking a hit with the shos guilty on them but zarella is not crazy for thinking that there might be a tailor in this game since there was 1 in the first 1. so hhhhhmmmm....gonna have to ponder this. zarella also claim a guilty on impossibear in 1519. which stacks up against the read I have on both heads.

I think impossibear are scum here.

I also think they are the 1s to most likely nk us on n2 after subbing in on d2. and eyesore did not look town to me.

perv, if you are town, cld you plz be a dear and look for who stayed away from the red and blue teams cos 2 flipped for each voted shos back to back on d1. even if you are a dirty filthy free spirited hippie plz do this. I am treating you as town by the way just based off of your play.

I lean town on ank just based on play.

what I am trying to do is bottleneck scum's options and try to rally together town.

Yeah, you're trying to force your reads as gospel rather than work though and get consensus. You're also doing an epic amount of buddying on Tammy to avoid getting shot.

PV is confirmed town. I copped them. You townread them pretty hard, and now you're walking that back... why?

erm. my top 2 reads both have a scumread on impssibear. so no.

if tammy shoots us we won't die. so why shld we be scared of tammy? or any scum for that matter.

I am not backpedaling on my town read of him. I am treating him as town based on play cos I think he is and I said that. learn to read.

don't you have a vca to do?

also i thought you were going to work. how interesting that the plans seem to have changed.

sorry

[Pirate Ika]

Why are you doubting I'm a cop Mollie? It's been established that I'm an insane cop even if you doubt my alignment. That is unless you suddenly think my alignment guessing skills have dramatically improved (in that case self-vote).

I am waiting for a vca to lock you in and see how it matches up with what we are coming up with.

every bit of energy you spend in wasting every1's time with shitposting takes away from your focus on doing what you say you do best. if you are town I wanna see it happen. your energy goes where your focus goes, so plz quit your anklebiting and pay attention.

what i am wondering about is all of this fuss. you bragged on d1 about your vca ability and I am not seeing it. at all. if you are town consider this a very kindly request that you do it. I have

begged

asked ika to stay off of you for a bit. you have space so make use of it.

ffs

[Pirate Ika]

Why are you doubting I'm a cop Mollie? It's been established that I'm an insane cop even if you doubt my alignment. That is unless you suddenly think my alignment guessing skills have dramatically improved (in that case self-vote).

I am waiting for a vca to lock you in and see how it matches up with what we are coming up with.

every bit of energy you spend in wasting every1's time with shitposting takes away from your focus on doing what you say you do best. if you are town I wanna see it happen. your energy goes where your focus goes, so plz quit your anklebiting and pay attention.

what i am wondering about is all of this fuss. you bragged on d1 about your vca ability and I am not seeing it. at all. if you are town consider this a very kindly request that you do it. I have

begged

asked ika to stay off of you for a bit. you have space so make use of it.

ffs

I know you think my suspecting you is shit posting, but saying that just isn't true. I have to work things out like anyone else. Extreme negative reactions and trying to pick fights don't actually work to our advantage if you are town with a very convienent claim. Nor does ika's shit posting arguing I'm not a cop when shos essentially confirmed that I am. Suspect me sure (in fact I'd love that as it gets me more checks) but keep the drama to a minimum.

I don't think your suspecting us is shitposting.

THAT IS SIMPLY NOT TRUE.

[Pirate Ika]

so plz kindly stop misrepping me. I am asking ika to leave you alone for a bit and I am asking you to do what you say you can do which I have yet to see. in case you don't understand what I mean by shitposting I mean your stupid wifom crap about us being a death miller bulletproof and the 2 billion other wifom points you have brought up. THAT is what I mean by shitposting. I have an unsure on you cos I have seen you this dumb as town before that is why for the most part you were pl-ed on d1 in xmen. I think you are genuinely terrible at this game cos you do no reset at all, ever, never listen to any1 other than the sound of your own voice and I have yet to see any self-correction come from you ever in a game ever. you never acknowledge when your wrong. you never acknowledge when other people are right. you seem to have no interest in working with others and you don't seem reevaluation.

the problem I often find myself with you is that I genuinely LIKE you.

what i don't like is how you said you were getting ready for work giving the impression that you were not going to be around for awhile and yet you were beetlejuiced back into the thread with and an excuse of: I only had to make a few phone calls. when you made it seem like getting ready for work was like this giant production. and you gave the impression (at least to me) that you were gonna be absent. like if all you had to do was make phonecalls you simply cld have just made them.

do you know what I wld like to see from you? you see and acknowledge something positive about some1 else wrt skill level that you feel like you don't have. that wld display the type of self awareness that I look for and love and admire in other players. self growth is something that I love and cherish and it gives me hope and a raison d'etre cos I am an existentialist atheist which means I shld be pretty pessimistic except I am not. there is simply too much beauty in the world.

[Pirate Ika]

I was thinking about it, and I actually think we should massclaim. All the truly important roles are out and it will lock people into actions. I don't care if there's a protective role left and they get killed protecting a stronger role. The two potential cops are out and the VIG is out, nothing stronger to keep hidden.

Titus: I stabbed a fascist. Also I don't think there's one of every faction left.

that was my thought too. in the first game I claimed at massclaim time even I was a doc when there was already a flipped doc. dino didn't waver tho. neither did dgb or anybody else. I was town.

we are all very special snowflakes in this game. well except for alchey. I am guessing that is why mastina told him to just have fun. he was having so much fun he was nked n1.

[Pirate Ika]

oh i'm angry alright
but right now it's because of all the dancing around and shit when

titus from your point of view
you know you're an insane cop
we know shos was a sane cop
aa9 flipped hippie cop
eddie flipped fascist cop
where does blizzard's sane cop claim fit in? especially one with sanity known from the start?
it doesn't

and while i have a townread on pirate ika that one post from them saying that blizzard's "guilty" on bear lines up with their previous scumread
just
do you even have the right to say you'll stick with previous reads when shos flipped town cop for all of you and pv has a guilty on blizzard and shos had a guilty on blizzard

i'm angry because elk has the audacity to vote me now. i don't care if you think i'm scum. but if you seriously think lynching me is the right course of action you're sorely mistaken, and if you really care that much you can track me and shut up afterward


and i'm angry because people need to at least address what needs to be true for blizzard to even have a chance of being town:

1. a scum framer on night 2 (after aa9 hippie cop died, after titus had already investigated shos and got a guilty, and after people were chomping at the bit to lynch shos already anyway)
2. the game being set up with a hippie cop, a fascist cop, an insane cop, a paranoid cop, and a sane cop (which would then imply a naive cop existing somewhere despite there being no indication of it from anyone)

you aren't getting lynched today so calm down.

[Pirate Ika]

There was nothing town about eyestott and there's been nothing town about impossibear either.

do would you mind just vigging that slot if it doesnt get lynched?

[Pirate Ika]

the number of kills each night has been decreasing. it is consistent with 4 2-man scumteams.

why do you think klingon the mafia fruit vendor didn't send anyone fruit?
she had no reason not to, because doing so consistently would be what scum would do to try and confirm their role to as many people as possible
unless
she was the only member of her team left
so if her team wanted to kill, she had to perform the kill
with that much attention on her there was no reason why she would kill unless she was the only one left
and though when no fruit was given and we assumed she was roleblocked (even though there was no reason for any alignment to roleblock that claim)
doesn't it make more sense that on night two she targeted pirate ika or dgb/bulba's protected targets?

prohawk's scumclaiming and final behavior including giving all reads suggests he was the last of the dictators

someone mentioned that wisdom made a comment about small teams and regardless of that his extreme survivalism suggests he was the last of the fascists

titus i do not think we should be hunting off of your vca yet as in depth as it is. i think we should lynch blizzard because he is communist scum
if the nightkills n4 prove i am wrong about the 2 man scumteams, then we will go for it. but right now i am sure blizzard is scum and we can go from there

I love you.

[Pirate Ika]

I wish I felt like I could trust Pere. He's almost definitely town barring GF, but some of his play makes no sense for scum, but his role is something that I just am having a hard time accepting. Basically, the ask Mastin a question, okay for night one sure. But then he uses it for night two. And then for night three he says he has some type of JoaT role and tried to track Blizzard, and that he got the sense that his roles weren't repeating. But, if they weren't repeating then how did he get to ask a question night one and night two?

I thought you wanted me to vig Blizzard yesterday? (I might be remembering incorrectly, that day moved too fast and I wasn't able to keep up and didn't go back and read because we just basically decided between blizzard and wisdom and espy wanted wisdom to check Titus' sanity. - He wants to lynch Titus today btw.)

The thing is I can buy shos as a paranoid cop. I just don't know if I just don't want to give up my Blizzard town read. But some of that doesn't add up either because I have no idea who would want to mess with shos night two. And I have no idea what role would make shos look guilty if they were switched? If this were single ball, I'd say blizzard is town without a doubt because their play makes way way way more sense for town. Even in multi ball, I think their play makes more sense for town as they were pushing their reads and put out a bunch of reads. Zar really likes playing scum, but I also think he'd be worried about crosskills if he was too much of a threat, so I think he'd be a little more subdued. Also some of Snowstorm's posts read more frustrated like he gets when he's town and gets suspected. He can be aggressive and frustrated as scum, but it comes off feeling more fake. The only thing I can think if they're scum here playing this way is if they're bp sk or have a doc on their team.

we are kind of in lockstep here. I only have 1 completed game with snowflake and i have felt that they wee town all game. but lynching zarella might be the most optimal play here as much as I hate backpedaling on that townread. but i am trying to weigh in with the impossibear scum read in which I feel fairly certain about. this is also a place where our reads intersect and that to me adds even more weight.

[Pirate Ika]

i am suddenly reminded of 750.
i hope i am not being too harsh. because i am townreading you, even if less than earlier due to your pushes now.
but i am getting tired when i can see a confirmed scum lynch in front of me
and people are stepping around it making excuses and voting others
one voting me - it is disgusting.

i was done with this day when it started.
discussion is always welcome
but i am impatient
and it has overstayed that welcome.

unless provoked by something very outrageous or outrageously stupid i will step back myself and be quiet now
until then.

I understand your rage. I am trying to reign in ika at this point cos he wants to go psycho on titus.

zarella or impossibear at this point. I already stated why I feel torn between the 2. I don't want to discount shos guilty on zarella.

elk boy: plz get your vote off fin and make yourself useful, yeah?

[Pirate Ika]

Do you remember bowser's game? Mollie was scum there, it was multiball, this is so much different. (mollie please be town. I'm starting to have flashbacks of defending the fuck out of shadoweh/empire and them flipping scum so please please please.)

dont worry we are town tammy. really 5289 says where i am right now about this entire thing and that mollie is really the only one who is keeping me in check from losing it

-ika

[Pirate Ika]

I mean I'm not going to say who I would vig in part because we'd have to wait on the flip of whomever and I don't want to give a road map for who I would vig.

I think that's in part why we haven't been killed or roleblocked, besides night one.

Night two seems clear, I said I was vigging bulbazack, but in the night phase changed my mind and thought he might be town. So if there was a roleblocker, they probably just didn't care. I tell you sometimes people just should not take my reads as gospel when I have a tendency to 180 after thinking and reading for a bit.

BUT I would really really expect impossibear to do something, anything, and they haven't. So, they'd be someone we'd discuss, yeah.

this is why me, mollie is not telling you who to vig. I trust your judgment. if you vig us it will be a wasted shot. and while I am in catchup mode I have been listening to ika and he just wants to rage which is something I don't want him to do right now.

[Pirate Ika]

tammy, you there i need to talk to someone else as well. im listening to mollie and not talking to titus but its going to be real fucking hard for me to keep it up unless if i have soemoen else to talk to.

can we bounce reads or something? or even talk about irrelevant shit?

[Pirate Ika]

okay so looking at all of that i am going to take in that the hood might be all town, cos bulba said mastina has a tendency to treat neighbours as masons, so I am laying off of them for a minute. that is fin and muffin.

I think tammy is town. the nks are beauftiful, she hit scum both times. defo staying off of her.

I am with tammy on the zarella townread and I wld hate to lynch some1 who has been part of our triumvirate and yes I am calling a 3 player town team against a herd of scum. fortunately they seem to be too busy killing each other. the zarella read is taking a hit with the shos guilty on them but zarella is not crazy for thinking that there might be a tailor in this game since there was 1 in the first 1. so hhhhhmmmm....gonna have to ponder this. zarella also claim a guilty on impossibear in 1519. which stacks up against the read I have on both heads.

I think impossibear are scum here.

I also think they are the 1s to most likely nk us on n2 after subbing in on d2. and eyesore did not look town to me.

perv, if you are town, cld you plz be a dear and look for who stayed away from the red and blue teams cos 2 flipped for each voted shos back to back on d1. even if you are a dirty filthy free spirited hippie plz do this. I am treating you as town by the way just based off of your play.

I lean town on ank just based on play.

what I am trying to do is bottleneck scum's options and try to rally together town.

so plz kindly stop misrepping me. I am asking ika to leave you alone for a bit and I am asking you to do what you say you can do which I have yet to see. in case you don't understand what I mean by shitposting I mean your stupid wifom crap about us being a death miller bulletproof and the 2 billion other wifom points you have brought up. THAT is what I mean by shitposting. I have an unsure on you cos I have seen you this dumb as town before that is why for the most part you were pl-ed on d1 in xmen. I think you are genuinely terrible at this game cos you do no reset at all, ever, never listen to any1 other than the sound of your own voice and I have yet to see any self-correction come from you ever in a game ever. you never acknowledge when your wrong. you never acknowledge when other people are right. you seem to have no interest in working with others and you don't seem reevaluation.

the problem I often find myself with you is that I genuinely LIKE you.

what i don't like is how you said you were getting ready for work giving the impression that you were not going to be around for awhile and yet you were beetlejuiced back into the thread with and an excuse of: I only had to make a few phone calls. when you made it seem like getting ready for work was like this giant production. and you gave the impression (at least to me) that you were gonna be absent. like if all you had to do was make phonecalls you simply cld have just made them.

do you know what I wld like to see from you? you see and acknowledge something positive about some1 else wrt skill level that you feel like you don't have. that wld display the type of self awareness that I look for and love and admire in other players. self growth is something that I love and cherish and it gives me hope and a raison d'etre cos I am an existentialist atheist which means I shld be pretty pessimistic except I am not. there is simply too much beauty in the world.

Have you read these yet? cus unless if you have and acknowledged them i think you are just being stupid cus we have walready given out who we want to see lynched

[Pirate Ika]

Mollie, do you think there is scum among the millers? Who are you scumreading?

Suppose I am right on 3 communists, 1 dictator, 1 hippie 1fascist and an SK. Who is each and why?

Also titus this is stupid and that we don't even think this is remotely true and i wont consider it as a possibility cus its so unlikely. that would mean that its esnssaly 13v14 at game start.

how about you consider our idea of 2 man teams and talk to us about that cus thats what me and ika believe right now

pedit: we will see titus odds are i will be in a call with him as we have our dialoge

[Pirate Ika]

Why are they town? What has demonstrated a town mindset?

I am trying to work with you Tammy but if you cannot even meet me half way...


And if he's investigation proof, he would beg me to check him to confirm him.

mebbe cos I am trying to be transparent and rally town and you wld either have to be reeeeeally stupid here or scum. you did this exact same thing in xmen which led to your pl. so plz stop it.

also noted this is the second time today that you said you were going to walk away from the keyboard due to IRL circumstances and yet you don't. noted.

I am trying to argue with ika how I really think you are capable of being this dumb. but it the stretching of your defense is pretty much on par with the level of your doing mental gynmastics to try to fit your really absurd narrative. it is absurd cos, like you missed in xmen, you can't see beyond your nose. and instead of doing a hard reset which I really feel like you need to do you are wifoming yourself to death.

this is slightly tipsey mollie who is much nicer. <3

[Pirate Ika]

am almost hyperventilating trying not to lash out at 5277

Fin3, I work from elimibating what is impossible. Then go to likely. If a possible scenario leaves us boned, I want toeliminate it or verify it.

okay.

if pirate ika is bulletproof and investigationproof
they are an sk
because there is no scenario in which a specific scumteam out of the four would be gifted such a powerful role

due to kill flavor matching up very closely in this game with alignment images and standards
(example: hippies and fertilizer)
either awesome is the sk
or there is no sk
those are the two possible scenarios in which a sk exists

since those contradict
they are not the sk
therefore they are not both bulletproof and investigationproof

in conclusion

just cop them
you have been so unreasonably opposed to the idea i do not know what to make of it
just fucking cop them

I love you. did I already say this? I love you.

and thank you for not calling titus a cum slut. I think she is just dumb but ika thinks she is scum.

[Pirate Ika]

And fuck you Mollie. I do not lie about irl.

Well then maybe you shuld understand that we arent lying either when ika has been saying that I have been posting.

[Pirate Ika]

I recently was a in a scum hydra with mollie and got to see her scum game up close and personal. Yes, this game is multiball while that one was not, but this is so far and away from that game that I really can't buy mollie scum here.

I am not scum. what I really need help here is with rallying town. I am trying to do that.

my first mentor taught me to look at endgame always. regardless of alignment.

as town you want to bottleneck scum's late game options. both zarella and impossibear fit that mold. zar more than impossibear if zar is actually scum. the struggle I am having is that I am not feeling it. it they are scum then jesus christ. and I feel an obligatory nod to shos cos of *guilty* read on zarella. and i have read tammy's points.

what I want to do is to secure town.

[Pirate Ika]

And fuck you Mollie. I do not lie about irl.

Well then maybe you shuld understand that we arent lying either when ika has been saying that I have been posting.

You I trust. Him I don't. He loves to do things just to get a rise out of me.

No, he doesn't titus, he gets pissed at you for making such bad assumptions and leaps of things. Do you really think he gets pleasure from ragin out? I'm on the phone with him right now and he has been trying his darndest to not come in here full of rage and fury right now. in fact he has been basically hashing out at me his frustration and anger to me about you and i agree with him.

[Pirate Ika]

I recently was a in a scum hydra with mollie and got to see her scum game up close and personal. Yes, this game is multiball while that one was not, but this is so far and away from that game that I really can't buy mollie scum here.

That is my biggest concern with them but I cannot get to mollie to read her. I was scum with her in Book of Shadows and pegged her in ochem.

Ika on the other hand is more hyperactive and trolly as town. He hasn't gone to sir lurks a lot level (which is a scumclaim from him).

I just do not get the town feels from them.

I keep reaching out to you all game. all you do is assign my posts to ika.

[Pirate Ika]

Mollie, do you think there is scum among the millers? Who are you scumreading?

Suppose I am right on 3 communists, 1 dictator, 1 hippie 1fascist and an SK. Who is each and why?

I am not at this point addressing the miller claims stop fishing for red herrings.

between the 2 lynch options it either between zarella whom shos viewed as guilty and impossibear which is scum due to play. which do you wanna gonna for?

get out of your wifom butt and if you are town plz try to be a team player.

eta: that is me. mollie

[Pirate Ika]

occam's razor is a friend.

[Pirate Ika]

The only people unaccounted for on claims are guille, nobody special, fin3 - yeah I see no reason not to mass claim.

have I said I love you especially for adding impossibear. cos they are scum.

I know thee holes in our thinking that is why I trying to reach out.

[Pirate Ika]

I am officially drunkposting I think.

[Pirate Ika]

titus I think lynching zarella is the best optimal play.

can we get tammy to agree to stab impossibear? I really feel like she will do what is best for town. I wanna see what zarella flips.

/selfich play

[Pirate Ika]

which is pretty horrible since it did not work out for shos. :/

[Pirate Ika]

vc wld be helpful right about now

<<< You want VCs, you talk less than 10 pages a day. Keep in mind I have to actually READ what you write before I can make a VC. >>>

[Pirate Ika]

Occam's Razor flies right out the window when you're discussing unbalanced, possibly bastard, mafia games.

Just sayin.

not really, me being a player who has played plenty of games that would be considered bastardized/unbalanced by MS and many times over occam razor is right.

but im goign to echo tammy here:

reads or a claim?

[Pirate Ika]

also im one who does things liek these in setups to subvert occam razor. so i have a strong indication on when occam razor is apporopraite and what is omst easy to reach and what should be done

[Pirate Ika]

Wait, why are you asking me to claim?

cus there are like 3-4 other people who have not claimed as of now and you are one of those people

[Pirate Ika]

blizzard lynch is the most likely scum lynch and the most beneficial lynch in any case
i still fail to see how massclaiming is beneficial in any way other than allowing scum to work around our remaining prs

massclaiming wld be fantastic at this point. titus pointed out there are no repeating roles in this game so far but I had a repeated role in the first game. sus on ns tho. YOU HAVEN"T DONE A THING.

I wanna hear from guille. cos he soft claimed cop or mebbe I am just dumb.

fin you are the least of our worries and I hope every1's else's. if you choose not to massclaim we won't freak out about you.

bottleneck scum. it is the only way town can win this.

[Pirate Ika]

blizzard lynch is the most likely scum lynch and the most beneficial lynch in any case
i still fail to see how massclaiming is beneficial in any way other than allowing scum to work around our remaining prs

That's fine, but there's also the night game to think about. Tonight might be the last chance I have to impact the game and help town, and I'd like to give the best go at it.

Locking them down at this point is a good thing.

I do not see scum killing you but for communist scum or scum you were going to stab. No one else would feel threatened by you.

this post makes no sense under any circumstances connected with reality. simple logic: who else wld feel threatened by tammy by now other than scum? she has hit 2 scum.

fuck this shit no way anybody can be this fucking dumb if we lose this game cos of your high level of derpiness I am NOT going to be a happy camper.

Regarding massclaim, basically the least active slots are the only one that have not claimed and that feels wrong.

gee. imagine that. so why are you anklebiting tammy? cos you jumped in when she is trying to scumhunt guille.

[Pirate Ika]

What is anklebiting?

Tammy hit one scum by duh obvious... and by my count more than half the game is scum so....

"anklebiting" is when you go after a townread based on...something and interfere with their scumhunting.

tammy is going after guille for being against massclaim and pressing him. tammy hit 2 scum with her nks and tried to vig the cw to the d1 lynch. if she is scum then sheis doing a pretty damn good job of knocking off other scum. so why give her trouble?

your "tammy shld vig ika" bugs the shit out of me cos this means:

A: you buy tammy's claim
B: you don't buy ours but we are telling the truth and therefore if tammy hit us the shot wld fail. what a waste of a vig. there is no scum motivation in us alerting pple at the time and in the manner that we did. we are trying to herd town together and it feels like an uphill battle.

by this "logic" which in reality is not "logic" at all but nothing more than cobbled together rationale that stretches the imagination of any1 who can possibly rub 2 braincells together. I don't mean to come down so hard on you but jesus fucking christ.

why do you think that scum make up over half the game? I have 12 alive so what you are positing is a 7 player scum resistance.

like srsly do the fucking math. and shldn't you be working on your vca in depth? here is a ball.

go fetch.

this is the last reach out we will give to you cos I am not feeling that you are town at this point and ika has been screaming at me that he is lynching you in lylo (if you and us make it, he seems to think we will) and at this point even if you are town I won't be mad at him if we lose and you actually happen to be town.

[Pirate Ika]

tammy am I crazy for thinking titus looks like panicked scum.

[Pirate Ika]

Mollie, Expressing my opinion is not giving her trouble.

Second, there is scum motivation is stating a vig shot on you would fail. It's so Tammy views the shot as useless.

occam's razor certainly points to that scum believed us since we were not targeted n3.

Third, I think Klingon's slip is accurate and all scumteams have three players. Three communists, one fascist, one hippie, one dictator and one sk is seven not town.

Fourth, why are you supposing we would both be alive in lylo?

Fifth, ask ika about extra lives and deathproof in witchhunt.

Six, Mastina has to edit in the vca numbers to each post for me to proceed on the vca for days two and three.

third: she also said that she thought it was free for all or something equally dumb, which with the amount of town flips it clrly isn't. do you not even remotely thin the teams are asymmetrical?

fourth: I am not, ika is and it is cos the doc was not even remotely protecting you and scum don't even remotely feel you are a threat. that is why you are still alive.

fifth: I just finished a game where we had a deathproof miller and this game does not even remotely looks like that. don't you think that wld be overpowered compared to what has flipped scum? this is the kind of wifom rationale that I wish you wld just shut up about. the thing is *I know* how dumb you can be and it is why I have been trying to keep ika off of you but I am struggling to see any town thought processes coming from you except the general paranoia.

sixth: before you played this game how did you ever do vcas in the first place?????

it is zarella for info or that bear based on what we understand about those players. this is a d1 decision that we are having to make on d4 but I personally leaning towards the informative lynch. even tho I am pretty sure that bear is scum. but ffs that is why I am not voting yet. I told ika to be quiet while we try to obtain more info but I am probs leaving it to him to decide.

[Pirate Ika]

fin

did you really just say this:

uninformed minority going into night

[Pirate Ika]

"(hilariously) unbalanced" still falls under "this game has been approved because each side has a similar chance to win"

My point exactly...

14:3:3:3:3:1
is not balanced

27/2 = 13.5
merely lynching town on day 1 makes town the uninformed minority going into night
that setup is not approvable
no.

should the nightkills point to it i can accept something like 19:2:2:4 or 17:2:2:3:3 as plausible, the latter stretching my imagination

but there is a point that i have been trying to make to you:
you are making everything infinitely more complicated than it needs to be

we have a guaranteed scum lynch in blizzard. and even if you disagree with that and somehow i am wrong in your pov it leads to a guaranteed vig on scum bear.

today will not go any way other than a blizzard lynch. we all know this. it is needed.
so that means you, titus, how you keep talking about the size of scumteams -
we could keep arguing this back and forth for the next 10 pages.
neither of us will budge because this is how you are and this is how i am.

or instead of arguing pointlessly
we could get this fucking scum lynch done with
and let the number of nightkills prove this point that is of minor importance anyway
right now i don't care about your vca and trying to hunt for fascists or those factions.
and if i am correct ika doesn't, mollie doesn't, tammy doesn't either.

because until the nightkills talk that is all pointless and the way i see it you are contributing to unnecessary arguing that is prolonging the day and distracting from our scumlynch.

i will only take what you are saying seriously if tonight's numbers and types of kills indicate that i should.
and i believe this is the general consensus.

have i mentioned how much I love fin even tho she freaked me out by saying "uninformed minority"

[Pirate Ika]

Six, Mastina has to edit in the vca numbers to each post for me to proceed on the vca for days two and three.

This is just an excuse. You could easily go by post number, or even insert your own VC numbers and correlate with the post number.

There's some reason you're avoiding doing the VCA. Hmmm, I wonder what will come to light when it's done......

The task you are saying will add fucking hours onto the task. VCA has to be done separately for each fucking faction. Making sense of which vc is which just adds more time.

Throw in work and a social life, each thing is different.

If you think it's easy, why haven't you done it?

My methologies take time. Deal with it.

you seem to have no problem with your shitposting and wifom spreading. cos you are investing a lot of time in that.

[Pirate Ika]

she freaked me out by saying "uninformed minority"

i wonder why you are freaking out.
why.

I had to catch up.

what freaks me out is that perv said that mastina said that scum were in the majority on d3. soyeah, a lot of shit is freaking me out right now. I refuse to worry about my sister and back at her if she is scum and went to this level of scumitude I will have nothing but respect. I might be BITTER and disgruntled but there will be nothing but respect and love all around. cos I love tammy.

I agree with you and muffin that zarella is the best lynch for today. but ffs that bear thing. and guille. it seems like he only shrinks from claiming as scum. cos he had no problem in the previous game when he was town. he even *gasp* scumhunted.

[Pirate Ika]

i was at work tyvm titus, how about you stop your massive wifom bs hunt right now.

this isnt wh where suvival kills get annoucned publicly

[Pirate Ika]

tammy/esp:

plz for the love of fucking god, vig titus, i dunno if mollie can continue to hold back the ire and rage i want unleash in this fucking game

[Pirate Ika]

i was at work tyvm titus, how about you stop your massive wifom bs hunt right now.

this isnt wh where suvival kills get annoucned publicly

No but if you have an extra life and are scumwe are boned just the same.

Why are you so upset that I am scumreading you?

honestly titus im fed up with your bs wifom theories:

basicly we have said we are X-shot BP, you then reach off the the far fucking end of the world to say we are something like a "X-shot BP godfather deathmiller SK"

really how much sense does that fuckign make? im sick and tired of putting foward effort to games to have you (if your town) be a fucking derp. im sick and tired of raging out on your stupid ideas cus you just cant think simple logic for fucking once by applyin occam razor.

for the past 5 fucking days i have been on the phone with mollie telling her how much i want to fuckign agro rage spam post this damn thread about you and your bsing theories. im sick and tired of it already.


pedit: and you have to understand that mollie agress with em on a lot of the things right now and that your theiries are shit

[Pirate Ika]

god im txting mollie before i lose it again

[Pirate Ika]

ika, vote blizzard
it's starting to get hard to believe you're actually this upset but you aren't doing anything to push a lynch or end the day

i want the hammer shut the fuck up, if you legit think im fucking fakign it i will fucking agro you fucking ass in a fucking heartbeat and not even mollie will stop me. the one reason imtrying to hold back is cus of mollie

Well then, let's suppose you are right and my theory that you are SK or kill immune group scum is wrong, scum will want to kill you anyway. Your taking shots isbetter for us anyway. Why is it so important for you to be right? I am just putting out the borders of what is possible.

Each team so far has had a protective role. If an SK exists, they must have protection too.

titus, for the sake of my fucking snaite and ire im not responding untill mollie gets into a call with me im just real close from blowing a gasket and not even thinking and jsut rageing out

[Pirate Ika]

1)Well then, let's suppose you are right and my theory that you are SK or kill immune group scum is wrong, scum will want to kill you anyway.
2)Your taking shots isbetter for us anyway.
3)Why is it so important for you to be right?
4)I am just putting out the borders of what is possible.

Each team so far has had a protective role. If an SK exists, they must have protection too.

ok first off, as i have already stated if we were sk you would of been dead long ago. so seriously drop us bign an sk. mollie has already told me that if it continues she will jsut quit posting alltogether after the entire you can be anybody fiasco.

1) ok
2) yes it is but having a vig shoot us yeild nothing but us taking a shot. theres no point in having a vig shoot us
3) who said it has to be important that we are right? thats jsut blaitent stupidity, im telling you are wrong on us and you basicly refuse to angkolwage any of them and jsut make a wifomy bs reason to fit your narrative.
4) what your putting out though is so fucking far fetched (us being a X-shot godfather deathproof sk) is what is dumb you of all peopple understand i wifom the shit out of things but in the end i go occam razor, and right now occam razor states that there are 5 temas of 2 and 3 of them are gone

look your claimed cop, you can investigate us
we have elk as well he can track us (presuming he doesnt get blocked again)

what are you going to add next, we are also ninja? how many things must bee added to a list before even you can see that its jsut all dumb

[Pirate Ika]

mollie is on the phone with me so if my ire build she will take over the posting

[Pirate Ika]

Occam's razor says Klingon's slip was right all scumteams have three players.

kling didnt really slip it though? she blaitently posted such things

if we look at nk occam razor states otherwise

[Pirate Ika]

Klingon's slip might indicate her team has three players, she can't know what other teams have, but again this is an argument saved for tomorrow after we see how many nightkills there are.

that i can somewhat buy. but im going with what i think untill otherwise

[Pirate Ika]

Well then, let's suppose you are right and my theory that you are SK or kill immune group scum is wrong, scum will want to kill you anyway. Your taking shots isbetter for us anyway. Why is it so important for you to be right? I am just putting out the borders of what is possible.

Each team so far has had a protective role. If an SK exists, they must have protection too.

1. any scum with half a brain knows we are town and they believe our claim that is why we were not shot n3.
2. how is trying to send the vig after us better for

town

when claimed vig has hit scum 2 nights?
3. we aren't trying to be right we are trying to win the game but I am trying to figure out what the fuck you are doing right now.
4. if you are trying to put out the borders right now then you clearly do not understand the concept of what bottlenecking is. look it up. then see what i am trying to do with scum and then look at your role pm and if you are as smart as you constantly tell every1 I expect you to come back to the thread and fucking play to a town wc if you are actually fucking town.
5. jesus christ. we are town. when I saw our role pm I was ready to tell mastina to fuck off and jump off a cliff into a fiery flame cos I lived through graveyard. at least ika is working with me through. I can't tell if you are being really dumb town or scum.

zarella you are probs the lynch for today and it saddens me greatly.

I wld like for you to talk to titus if you are town and tease out info and tell me what you get from her. cos I think it is too stupid to be town but then I remember xmen. snowflake was in that game. if you are scum then you played a beautifully laid out game.

I also get the funny feeling that we dangerously close to mylo.

[Pirate Ika]

I am out. Hanging out w ppl irl. Don't do anything stupid while I am gone.

is this 1 of those moments where you actually do what you say you are going to do?

[Pirate Ika]

I'm so tired of this. Guys, lynch bear. They're scum. We are a sane cop. The remaining scum have every reason to kill us. In fact, some of them probably are pushing for our lynch the strongest. There is no way we will survive the night. It's already dangerous to scum having Titus, theelk, PV and God knows what else around, they really can't afford having another cop alive. With the right investigations and kills, we could win tomorrow.

I literally can't think of a reason to keep you alive. Can you help me?

You're a sane cop who said a flipped scum player was confirmed town, and a flipped town player was confirmed scum. You're negative utility to this town. If you're actually playing to a town wincon (doubt it) you'd see that your lynch will do more for us than keeping you alive.

Chances of you copping someone that will be of any use tonight? Zero. You'll just cop someone that's not under any suspicion right now and give an irrelevant result so you can hide behind WIFOM just like you did today when you copped impossibear.

what flipped scum are you talking about? he has only put forth a guilty on a town flipped player, not a scum 1.

jesus christ.

I am saying it now. FUCK YOU MASTINA!!!!

<<< </3 >>>

[Pirate Ika]

anyone wanna spec that muffin could be the talior/framer?

ma and mollie are talking abotu role sepc right now and we think it could fit

[Pirate Ika]

*EBWOP. Day 2 phone posting sucks.

It's fine though. If you want to lynch us go ahead. You'll be left with Titus only as a cop and then you'll regret it.

and this is why im personaly scum reading you. trying to use your role to justify your survival.

will someone fucking l-1 so i cna hammer i need to redeem myself after mollie stole it from me

[Pirate Ika]

conspircy theory: guile and titus are scumates

[Pirate Ika]

Klingon sending the fruit to impossibear of all people was weird.

I felt very orangey about impossibear but then perv made me nuts in trying to sort the roles.

we are probs gonna vote zarella, tammy.

[Pirate Ika]

1 MOAR VOTE AND THEN WE WILL HAMMAH!!!

[Pirate Ika]

1 MOAR VOTE AND THEN WE WILL HAMMAH!!!

Lyncher???

UNVOTE:

Not because I don't think blizzard is the lynch but because I don't like the way ika "needs" the hammer.

yes by using your sooper dooper inspector gadget skills you managed to detect that we are a lyncher who townread zarella all game but we have been saving our personal joy of getting zarella lynched cos we are seekrit sadists who like to watch our victims writhe around in pain.

I always loved fantasy fiction.

[Pirate Ika]

can we lynch impossibear now?

[Pirate Ika]

can we lynch impossibear now?

you know its not convincing unless if you put down a vote mollie

VOTE: bear

does nobody want to spec on the guile/titus theory?

[Pirate Ika]

sneaking this in before ika wakes up!

[Pirate Ika]

VOTE: blizzard

[Pirate Ika]

godamn it zarella I am really sorry.

we will blame shos. actually if you flip sane cop that makes me think scum knew who to tailor cos you wld have been the last person that I wld have viewed.

please forgive me.

[Pirate Ika]

godamn it zarella I am really sorry.

we will blame shos. actually if you flip sane cop that makes me think scum knew who to tailor cos you wld have been the last person that I wld have viewed.

please forgive me.

I don't understand this.

Also, this is the first post of yours I don't like.

mollie thinks they are still town deep down. objectivly though she know this is the best lynch

if you are going to be like this tammy do us a fucking favor and myslynch us tommorow

[Pirate Ika]

godamn it zarella I am really sorry.

we will blame shos. actually if you flip sane cop that makes me think scum knew who to tailor cos you wld have been the last person that I wld have viewed.

please forgive me.

I don't understand this.

Also, this is the first post of yours I don't like.

mollie thinks they are still town deep down. objectivly though she know this is the best lynch

if you are going to be like this tammy do us a fucking favor and myslynch us tommorow

Don't jump on me for not liking one post.

No, the part I don't understand is the shos bit.

look i just work up and im fed up with putting foward a shit fuck of effort to have post like these made towards us. while that post was mollie, im here and just fed up witht he damn gamestate and everything.

seriously im in with a call with mollie right now and im ranting out to her about this game and how we both just want titus dead and like 3 other people lynched right now

[Pirate Ika]

this is ika here btw if it not transparent

[Pirate Ika]

im getting mollie for 5542

it should already be fucking transparent why i want you dead

[Pirate Ika]

At the risk of getting yelled at, it's also bothering me every time you go "I'm on the phone with mollie holding back my rage bitching because of this game, but I'm not gonna rage RAWR."

It makes me feel like you want everyone to know you're MAD and so hold the fence, but you can't really show how mad you are. And really the only person who suspects you is Titus, and isn't that what you guys do every game?

I also don't appreciate being yelled at for not liking one post when I've been drumming the THEYRE town beat for days.

tammy, go look at xmen game, ask mollie about it. you will know that she doesnt like me acting out in rage. thats why im holding it back.

im sorry i am kinda yelling but there has been a lot going on in my life as of late and that a lot of it is just leaking out now.

[Pirate Ika]

im leaving the thread and letting mollie take over.

tammy: i thoughly enjoy playing with you and im sorry that i got a little annoy with it, im jsut kinda fed up with the entire game at this point and have like almost no more motivation to play in this game if titus continues this stupid path

[Pirate Ika]

im leaving the thread and letting mollie take over.

tammy: i thoughly enjoy playing with you and im sorry that i got a little annoy with it, im jsut kinda fed up with the entire game at this point and have like almost no more motivation to play in this game if titus continues this stupid path

You're fine, we all get annoyed.

Do you think Titus is town?

Honestly i dont even care if shes town or not anymore. im just taking mollies advice and ignoring her if shes somehow alive next day.

pedit: have fun shat store do you shop at?

[Pirate Ika]

There. All caught up. Questions answered. (Multiple times, I might add.)
>>

Edit: Poke cancelled.
It's been only one day since he posted. If a poke's requested on a different player, I can send it, though.

^titus

[Pirate Ika]

godamn it zarella I am really sorry.

we will blame shos. actually if you flip sane cop that makes me think scum knew who to tailor cos you wld have been the last person that I wld have viewed.

please forgive me.

I don't understand this.

Also, this is the first post of yours I don't like.

mollie thinks they are still town deep down. objectivly though she know this is the best lynch

if you are going to be like this tammy do us a fucking favor and myslynch us tommorow

Don't jump on me for not liking one post.

No, the part I don't understand is the shos bit.

that was me being facetious. if zarella flips town then there is a framer in the mix and I think they most likely are in the hood and that is how they knew who to frame. But I will worry about that later.

also you have seen my scum game tammy, is this anything like it? don't get weird on me plz. and i didn't realize that you weren't ready to end the day.

if zarella flips town I am going to be so sad because genuinely liked him and thoroughly enjoyed playing with him.

here are my top 3 scum picks:

impossibear (I think they shld be lynched/vigged regardless what zarella flips)
guille
nobody special

[Pirate Ika]

He still not in prod/poke range titus

mollie has a new idea that i like: titus is the sk

/discuss

[Pirate Ika]

You have no motivation to play because I suspect you? Wtf?

he has no motivation to play cos are a dithering fucking idiot and it makes games with you unenjoyable. it wld be 1 thing if you actually attempted to learn and and improve but you don't you just run around telling every1 how wonderful you are and there are a bunch of fucktards who believe it. truly good players don't need to convince other ppl that they are good.

[Pirate Ika]

nope. it has nothing to do with disagreeing with you it has everything to with much useless wifom you bring to the game. every single game.

and you working on improving is good to hear cos you certainly have never given any indication you were doing this. I was under the impression that you think you are god's gift to mafia therefore needing no improvement.

[Pirate Ika]

I work from possible with the setup to probable. That means I have to look at possibilities you would consider wifom. If you do not like that ika, do not play with me. Although my vca hasn't been wrong yet, it has always contained all of the scumteams in it. That is why I am focusing so hard on figuring out just how many teams are left. Otherwise, I have to do it in 15 different scenarios.

Your flavor analysis is helpful in that regard.

that has been PM titus

[Pirate Ika]

VOTE: impossibear

well he didnt lie about bein sane cop.....

[Pirate Ika]

no but lied about his result.

then claim

[Pirate Ika]

VOTE: impossibear

I got a scum result on ika, meaning they are town

(or investigate as town).

So we have 3 kills, none stabbed, which suggests impossibear was blocked. We lost the fascist kill most likely.

How come you added in the bolded titus? how come for everyone else you blatantly never said that?

[Pirate Ika]

1)Impossibear, the only way I see you living here is if you claim scum but not communist, you claim your role truthfully and it leads us to a communist.


@ika, A framer/tailor was not present for my other investigations. If we infer that Blizzard told the truth, as you have, then there is a framer/tailor. A framer/tailor can change your result. I investigated you as wifom hoping you would not be framed, but it's not 100% certain of that.

Also, did you take a nightkill yesterday?

im not answering questions that have already been answered. read our iso.

impossibear is scum and is dying. no claim is saving them

pedit: why is he scum is a better question?

[Pirate Ika]

Mollie has told me not to post anymore unless i get her approval.

[Pirate Ika]

fuck
i don't know what's going on

I am thinking that awsum was likely blocked, possibly by the bear since i wld think that is who tammy wld target.

[Pirate Ika]

there is no tailor. blizzard was scum. shos result was the one he had incentive to lie about.

IAWTP

@ ank

lemme know where you are at when you get back.

[Pirate Ika]

Still wanting to lynch it.

[Pirate Ika]

Your exact thing is just like what bizzard said: "let me live cus my role"

Except this time you are just scum who needs to die

[Pirate Ika]

Why is muffin green for you?

If you me and ika are town, we have one hippie, one dictator, one SK and three communists (6 anti-town). That means you have too many clears.

Given we have 3 night kills (4 if ika took one), we know at least one of the SK and communists are present. So we are looking between 3 - 6 anti-town left.

Probably 6 antitown. Which means only two town left.

I'm fully ok with letting you all know that I am scum, and

lynching me will make it so town has a 0% chance at winning

. We are the last hippie, and we are a cockblocker.

(Roleblocker, but ETL would only let me claim if I claimed cockblocker.) If town has enough sense in them to not immediately lynch me, then I will claim actions and such in an attempt to fix all of your information, because at this point, the town win condition and my win condition both rely on lynching scum to happen. The SK and last Dictator should probably do the same, because at this point there is no benefit to remaining hidden.

PEdit: Yeah, no shit, Sherlock.

I figured you guys were a hippie just based on interactions, when we took a bullet, flips, etc. also missing fertilizer kills made sense cos etl is not afraid to go for the grind.

this is who is left:

us
titus
ank
muffin
fin
ns
the elk
bear

scum are totally leaving titus and ika alive in the hopes that they will vote each other and pare down the numbers.

at this point we think the communist might be the sk. we think eddie might hve been an fbi agent. the reason why I think this is cos I am looking at bulba and he was bang on that the toon wagon was town driven and I am also wondering if he was right about mastina mod meta. so hhhhmmm.... need to think on this some more.

right now ank, muffin and fin read as town to me. I think elk boy is the third dictator. I find it unlikely that there are 3 communists left cos that wld mean that town not only wld have to lynch scum every single day but also town's wld be dependent on scum crosskilling. if mastina did this and we rolled bp I am punching her in the throat.

[Pirate Ika]

the only thing that bugs me is the sliced nk

[Pirate Ika]

Also, individual kill flavor is separate.

I'm sliced in half

, klingon was shredded into fertilizer. I don't think Flum ever killed. The missing hippie kill was an attempt on Titus.

We were immune to Fascist kills as a faction, although that doesn't matter anymore.

Eyes rb-ed alchemist D1. Then we hit elk N2. We roleblocked Perv N3. And obviously Awesome last night, because him not shooting us but being alive was the largest EV for our victory.

Klingon spent a ridiculous amount of time worrying over whether she could send different types of fruit to different players to kind of turn herself into a fake cop. Flum protected us every night.

I doubt there is another godfather, because duplication of roles doesn't appear to be a thing with regard to scumteams.

Legitimately, if you are scum of a faction with only one remaining player optimal play here is to claim so that we can narrow down the communists and murder them. Because Filthy commies. And also, if I can snatch their defeat from the jaws of their victory, then I'm gonna claim the moral victory.

[Pirate Ika]

whoops wrt the bold k, thanks that removes that piece of wifom.

[Pirate Ika]

ok mollie, look at it this way, we're playing to outs. There is a chance that commies are out there, and there are three of them. Correct?

I find this unlikely for the reasons that I gave. town wld have NO chance of winning even if we lynched correctly every day. a town win wld be entirely based on correct lynches and a guarantee of scum crosskills. I already what I am going to do to mastina if this was the case.

Then playing around that doesn't hurt us. I'm probably gonna eat a bullet from them tonight. If, somehow, we lynch town and the game isn't over, then totally lynch me. I'll even help. And I am the last hippie, which means we can't win tonight. But if I'm right, someone can. And I don't want that to happen.

In fairness, I really don't care about the outcome of this game. Part of me wants to win for Flum and Klingon's sake, but combined ETL and I have read less than 20 pages of this game.

I do not win here if I'm wrong. Period. It's actually impossible. But if I'm right.... Well. Town has to listen to me today or they lose.

no scum in their right mind wld shoot you and that is what you are banking on. you are quite clearly either waving to

a) the other scum team
b) the sk

but appealing to town. you need to die. cos if you truly had town's best interest in mind you wld be okay with your death.

[Pirate Ika]

we already looked at that ank.

I don't understand why you can say in good faith with what you are saying when what you did was to take out our top town read.

eta: look at the outliers. you wld have to posit that hippies had an extra nk on n1 cos the beaten nk has not been repeated.

this whole game makes me tremendously sad. I thought town had a chance here.

I also feel like jingle was being a dick but whatever. plz do the kindness of never talking to me again.

[Pirate Ika]

ika post (i have permission): what if we are all overly speculating right now and impossible is just the final scum of the game?

/dicuss

[Pirate Ika]

what the fuck there are 3 vigs

^soft claim of 3rd vig

ank is now a claimed vig, awsome is a flipped vig, FIN3 is claiming to be a 3rd.

Honestly at this point it easier to just play "direct the pr game"

[Pirate Ika]

we are lynching bear.

can pple plz focus tia

[Pirate Ika]

really at this point if we take things for face vault and presume all you guys are town vigs (and i'm thinking so atm) we can just have you guys pick 2 different people to vig and poe form there.

If elk is dictator scum he had his kills being blocked all game by etl/jingle

NS to me is the only outliar for his VT claim

Tius (if town) is just VI

[Pirate Ika]

impossibear is todays lynch titus nothing is changing that....

@fin FOR THE NTH FUCKING TIME TOWN X-SHOT BP

im leaving and talking to mollie again so i dont ire

[Pirate Ika]

There is absolutely no way I'm believing three vig claims.

One of the vigs would have shot awesome. The only other explanation is them being dumb as shit.

Me.

Yes. The fact that there being three vigs is really stupid. On the off chance that you're not full of shit, that many town killing roles just adds to the swingy as hell nature of the game.

Considering that your claim means you're almost certainly solo scum, you don't live through 3p LYLO. Period. You cannot be allowed to live that long.

Go ahead and rationalize it the way you want, but I'm town and I'll accept whatever wins us the game.

bear says they are reaching out to scum and lo and behold! titus responds. I can see 3 vigs. mebbe that is crazy but I was locked down in massclaiming in the first game and had to claim. I was the other doc. we won by in thread play and by not focusing on roles until after massclaiming.

if you shoot titus I will love you forever and ever if we had a nk she wld be dead right now. we don't. she wld be dead cos she annoys the fuck out the both of us.

she also is very focused on the communists so I find it likely with what she is saying about being somehow bulletproof+nk+immune to investigations is super duper weird.

it does not help that ns is being a useless lurksack who is being allowed to get away with it.

if I am right then bear is the last orange and titus is the sk (cos I still think 1 still exists given the flavour of nks) and elk boy is dictator.

[Pirate Ika]

really at this point if we take things for face vault and presume all you guys are town vigs (and i'm thinking so atm) we can just have you guys pick 2 different people to vig and poe form there.

If elk is dictator scum he had his kills being blocked all game by etl/jingle

NS to me is the only outliar for his VT claim

Tius (if town) is just VI

Really you are believing 3 town vigs over a communist faction and you are calling me a village idiot...

2 vigs gave no thought to shooting impossibear...confirmed scum...

then why are you not voting them

[Pirate Ika]

mollie/ika, were you shot last night or not

same to you, ank

we were. ika wanted to try to trap titus in some word exchange crap which is why I told him to hush.

but I find elk boy to be more sus over titus but I want her dead cos of the reach out to scum.

we are thinking the elk boy might have targeted us. so if you 3 are vigs then the only thing that makes sense is that the bear blocked tammy and that elk boy is dictator.

[Pirate Ika]

@everyone Im speculating with mollie on somthing atm. i will give a full discousre in a bit

however i want everyone to specualte something for me:

dictator has one member left, who is it and why?
presume commies is a red hearing and they are nothing more then jsut a wifom thing
presume we did take a nk last night, who would be most likely to be the person to do it?

(hint: theres an answer to this but i want to talk to mollie a bit before we decide on anything definitive)

pedit: mollie ninja

[Pirate Ika]

ok so me an mollie are on phone and talking so heres our shared and conjoint thoughts:

Commie is read hearing or the 3p role
elk is dictator tracker who tried to kill us last night (YES THIS IS A FUCKIGN CLAIM WE TOOK A SHOT LAST NIGHT)
impossibear is dead scum in the water

and if anyone need to figure out how this does fit elk!dictator, we can account for his 2 kills failing due to bears RB

[Pirate Ika]

pv got no result n3, and bear claimed to rb pv n3

bear claimed to rb elk on n2 only. n3 is unexplained if he's scum, but bulletproofs and doctors make it wifom anyway.

if a doc saved a target would the target known they are attacked?

<<< No. >>>

tbh at this point elk need to claim results and then we can play the "who does what" game

im taking all vigs as town (atm), we are town, the outliers at this point to me are investigatives

[Pirate Ika]

we were shot n2 and n4

[Pirate Ika]

i thought awesome kill failed due to being jail kept n1 by hawk?

[Pirate Ika]

either way it didn't happen, but prohawk had incentive to lie while bulba didn't
why is this important to you

its not that important to me? im just being annoying before i get in a call with mollie again and she tells me to not post

[Pirate Ika]

in other news bear is still scum.

I don't think hawk boy lied. tammy obvsly didn't lie. I don't zarella was lying either.

I think klingon made a correct assessment of 3 teams with 3 players on them + an sk.

that wld make 6 scum plus an indie which makes sense. I don't think mastina is that much of a miserable troll and I am just gonna stand by this until proven otherwise.

jingle just wants to survive.

[Pirate Ika]

in other news bear is still scum.

I don't think hawk boy lied. tammy obvsly didn't lie. I don't zarella was lying either.

I think klingon made a correct assessment of 3 teams with 3 players on them + an sk.

that wld make 6 scum plus an indie which makes sense. I don't think mastina is that much of a miserable troll and I am just gonna stand by this until proven otherwise.

jingle just wants to survive.

If Zarella did not lie, then how did shos flip town?

he did not lie about bear.

pick up

[Pirate Ika]

either way it didn't happen, but prohawk had incentive to lie while bulba didn't
why is this important to you

Doesn't matter. They both could have been honest. Not mutually exclusive.

erm no. the 2 are not mutually exclusive since the 2 had entirely different motivations. you seem to have a very shallow understanding of what that term means.

tell me moar about how it is a fantastic idea to work with bear

[Pirate Ika]

its been nearly 24 hrs.....

so heres how me and mollie see this who commie fabrication shit:

A) all 3 voters (me/muffin/fin) are the commie team
-this is blatantly false cus we are town
B) commie is an sk role
-pluasable
C) commie is a red hearing
-what i see it being right now

[Pirate Ika]

plz win this for us titus!

cos obvsly solved the game with your sooper dooper sleuthing skills that you haven't even applied which jingle wants to give you accolades for!

we are town.

bear is scum.

it shldn't be too incredibly mind disturbingly hard to do this but somehow you do it anyway. I have had those moments.

why are you obsessed with commies? what you are positing is at the very least a 13 player scum set up while ignoring arguments to the contrary. if a commie exists, I stand by they are sk.

bear is confscum. lynch them.

[Pirate Ika]

@mastin:

When's the deadline?

I know I need to dig in here and read (a LOT) but it's honestly not going to happen until at least Saturday.

Ok. Take your time.

NS is literally always useless. He won't ever catch up.

Please. People change. Look at my recent finished games. I will, this weekend.

One of the things I specifically need to look into is why there is a flip of a player with "Communist" (in red, I think?) and yet people are debating over whether Communist is a faction. (I'm sure it's been discussed and debated, ad nauseam, but I have to find that and read.)

Red is dictator, communist was pine who was miller and town

[Pirate Ika]

Pine,

Town

Communist Miller

, beaten to a bloody pulp night one.
Jackel98,

Dictator

Rolecop

, killed night one.
ProHawk,

Dictator

Jailkeeper

, Lynched Day Two.

for ease

[Pirate Ika]

Seems predicated on Ankamius being town.

Theres a lot wrong with her idea in general TBH. But I just like hearing her bad ideas.

Like i can point the most obvious one out: scums don't kill imposibear

[Pirate Ika]

Seems predicated on Ankamius being town.

Theres a lot wrong with her idea in general TBH. But I just like hearing her bad ideas.

Like i can point the most obvious one out: scums don't kill imposibear

Bear gets lynched. Scums have to agree to kill impossibear bc they are role locker.

not really, your outcome is set up on that scums do what you think they will do. they wont though. impossibear wont die and they wont kill him, right play today is to lynch him and get rid of KPN

pedit: your still missing a smoething tisu even if it pans out as you think

[Pirate Ika]

bear doesnt have to do jack shit titus, bear could just block nobody and kill nobody and let us decimate each other due to your stupid idea of commies.

this isnt even an argument of what is "optimal play" this is an argument of how many different scenarios can play out and still lead to an end results that results in a loss.

bear and block and no kill
bear can kill and not block
bear kill and not block

theres 101 ways to avoid your idea, or we can cut your crap and lync the fucking bear and be done with the damned game

[Pirate Ika]

Say what you like titus, i jsut catn wait for post game.

Mollies is now on the phone with em and she already told me to stpo cus she gonna take over the posting for the moment.

[Pirate Ika]

McCarthyism is alive itt.

[Pirate Ika]

a) you don't make deals with grpscum. indies sure, even a sk, yeah but not with grpscum who is trying with their last dying breath to somehow make deals with the last scum in the game (and I still think there is 1 but we will see) and dupe stupid town.
b) McCarthyism is alive itt.

guess who they think are stupid town.

[Pirate Ika]

and get rid of KPN

Who/what is KPN?

or we can cut your crap and lync the fucking bear and be done with the damned game

A) If you are town, 'getting done with the game' when you are assured to lose that way is playing against your wincon.

B) Have you claimed?

C) I seem to recall a massclaim (because I remember claiming). Did anyone post a summary?

KPN=kills per night

A) ill get mollie to respond to that cus mines is jsut going to be snark

B) yes

C) one sec i can go find the quote

Titus, have you claimed?

She claimed cop

[Pirate Ika]

Ika, stop fear mongering. I asked you to shut the hell up. Adages do not matter here. Evidence does. Break my plan ir vote for it.

that was mollie titus. shes coming back in a min

[Pirate Ika]

no. we are lynching claimed scum today.

[Pirate Ika]

ank

if you buy/feed into titus's bs i will hurt you.

if there is a fourth scum team composed of oh lets say 2 players, then it is 3+3+2 (assuming no more dictators)+2 (I MEAN UNLESS TITUS IS STUPIDLY POSITING THAT THERE IS A 3 MAN COMMIE TEAM LOL). in a game with 27 players. thats 10 scum. do you hear me? 10 SCUM. THAT IS A 1:2.7 TOWN TO SCUM RATIO. NO FUCKING WAY WLD MASTINA BE ALLOWED TO GET AWAY WITH THAT SET UP COS SHE WLD HAVE 17 PISSED OFF TOWN WHO WLD PROBABLY NEVER PLAY ANOTHER MASTINA GAME AGAIN ME BEING 1 OF THEM. MASTINA IS NOT GONNA DO THAT.

even if 1 were to argue that "oh there are different scum teams and scum don't know who is not on their team!" they still know who IS when town didn't even so much as have masons or an IC. I am telling you mastina is not going to risk her rep for that.

hilariously unbalanced means there is some mod fuckery going on, not completely unwinneable for town. even if town lynched successfully every day and the vigs vigged correctly every time unless scum died in xkills town still wldn't win. ffs do the math.

you flat out do not make deals with scum when you are town. bear has said of course they are reaching out to scum. they have scumclaimed. we are lynching them. the only 1 arguing against this is titus.

if you are town plz do the right thing. lynching bear is the best play.

[Pirate Ika]

ALSO ^ WAS MOLLIE IN CASE ANY1 WAS WONDERING

[Pirate Ika]

In the commie scenario,

The communists have a chance of being dicks to town but you and Bear are giving yourselves a zero chance of winning by leaving commies alive.

In no commies scenario,

The analysis makes sense.



Since town wins either way, let's use the no commies fail safe. Join me. There's chance I could be wrong and there are no commies, but the plan works the same since you and bear cannot win together.

you are saying that no commies exist? isn't that the entire premise of how you are ordering town to act? cos there are a bunch of commies running around?

so now....you are suggesting there no commies? but still follow thro with your dumb plan? lol, no.

sorry

[Pirate Ika]

The more pirate ika and muffin resist based on fear mongering, the more convinced I become that this is the rational play.

If someone had a proven way to make it where you'd never break your arm again at the possibility but not certainty of taking a paper cut, would you take it? Yes if you trusted the offer.

Here we have a guaranteed way to ensure a bad scenario cannot happen. We should take it.

AHAHAHAHAHA

THE ONLY 1 FEAR MONGERING IS YOU!!!

MUFFIN AND I ARE TRYING TO CUT THROUGH THE BULLSHIT!!!

YOU WANNA LYNCH FIN BASED ON THEM BEING A COMMIE!!!

SO WHO IS A COMMIE WITH THEM?????

MUFFIN? US? YOU HAVE ELK BOY AS DICTATOR WHICH YOU LEAPED ONTO ONLY AFTER I SAID HE MIGHT BE THE LAST DICTATOR!!!!

DO YOU THINK ANK WLD OUT IN THE WAY THAT HE DID AS A GRPSCUM COMMIE???

I WLD TELL YOU TO AT LEAST TO KEEP YOUR STORIES STRAIGHT BUT I REALLY DON'T THINK YOU CAN!!!

[Pirate Ika]

Break the plan with specifics or vote for it ika.

Histronics are not helpful.

why aren't you wanting to lynch claimed scum?

thats my plan

eta: scumclaimed!bear is all for that plan? does this tell you nothing?

[Pirate Ika]

i really just do not want to play with titus any longer but at the same time do not want town to lose by having only her presence and not mine, and do not want to make the mod try and find a replacement for this game.
someone please tell me they sympathize with my dilemma.

*hugs fin*

me and mollie are in a call right now and we are with you all the way. We understand you pain and agony.

[Pirate Ika]

And the call just disconnected...

[Pirate Ika]

I want to have fin's mafia babies.

so we can them in 1 big giant communist family.

@ fin

I have been trying to hold ika back from tearing into titus but I can promise you he feels every bit of your emotion.

it must mean you are a communist tho

god this post will be so embarrassing post game if you actually are!

[Pirate Ika]

also plz don't get modkilled ever

[Pirate Ika]

thank you
hugs
i am town
can we hydra after this is done two or all of us? maybe you could be a communist with ank and really just buddying me to death but either way you are calming me down and making me feel ok and i value people who can do that for me. it is a very special thing.
i am also jealous of your hydra dynamic. i admire it and want to learn how to handle things with a hydra partner like that.

only if we can call our hydra commies4life

[Pirate Ika]

make that commies4l1f3 cos that wld be funnier

[Pirate Ika]

i am also jealous of your hydra dynamic. i admire it and want to learn how to handle things with a hydra partner like that.

Perhaps I'm just old and cranky, but I think their hydra is among the most dysfunctional.

your old and cranky.

@ ank

pretty plz stop talking to titus and talk to us or fin or muffin. now that mastina has bolded the communist in pine's flip I think it even more likely that there none. I think there is 1 orange and 1 red left.

[Pirate Ika]

Ika, the point is you are going to take that position because either you are communist or there are none. You do not have to worry about communists as we do.

How many times must I say that mollie is posting before it get through your thick skull?

[Pirate Ika]

UNVOTE:

Titus can you please outline your master plan for me, clearly and explicitly, without omitting words and stuff so it's very clear what is intented?

If it's a good plan and scum actually can't win, then I'll sheep you.

muffin, no.

the whole plan is predicated on bear doing what the majority want them to do. the plan favours a scum win more than it does a town win. I have a loooooot of experience in multiball larges. I mean a lot. a lot lot. the only players who make deals with scum are derp town and scum. 1 red left and likely 1 orange left. the unclaimed beaten nk1 is throwing me off a bit. fin is town and that is who titus wants to lynch. we have shots left cos we are town and we are the other protective role we just self-protect. this is why titus's plan is shit and I am starting to wonder if she is the last red but elk boy is stalling and lurking and that bugs me.

eta: you are not talking to ika you are to me so quit with your fucking bullshit I am not going to put up with it.

[Pirate Ika]

Ika, the point is you are going to take that position because either you are communist or there are none. You do not have to worry about communists as we do.

this is why I think titus is red scum making deals with orange scum cos there are no commies.

[Pirate Ika]

titus is fear mongering McCarthy style, plz go look up McCarthyism. she is lawyering it up right now cos she is a lawyer. don't fall for it.

[Pirate Ika]

PI, Bear cannot win if they do not shoot Ank. Period. They would run into the problem of not having enough bullets to win the game.

Second, that's another preposterous theory. If I was red scum and believed no commies, there is zero point in not lynching bear and voting Fin3 or Ank tomorrow.

Your slot has thrown so much mud in our direction only to have it be proven false.

Not a cop: Proven cop
Questionable Sanity is shit: Proven Insane
Doubted us for Questioning PV's role: Proven he faked it and was GS.

Now you claim that I am red scum who knows no commies. You just tried to reach for the game and failed sugar.

Ank also has a chance to shoot me even if we follow my plan to a T.

So go ahead and ramble about me being scum but Fin3 is the right lynch.

bear cannot win this game by himself and he knows it that is why he is reaching out to scum. so far you are the only 1 who is responding and I stand by the only players who make deals with grpscum in the game thread are either derp town or scum. period.

I still think there is slight chance of a sk out there

[Pirate Ika]

titus is fear mongering McCarthy style, plz go look up McCarthyism. she is lawyering it up right now cos she is a lawyer. don't fall for it.

McCarthyism is a historical movement from the 1960s lead by Senator McCarthy. He called people into Senate hearing and accused them of being communists. The accusation would ruin careers. It was a witchhunt.

Unfortunately, McCarthyism is not caught in law scool as it teaches free speech and freedom of association via the socratic method.

Here's me going legal.

If we have a reasonable suspicion of communists, we vote Fin3. A reasonable suspicion is one based on articulable facts. Basically more than gut.

Ank then shoots at the preponderance of the evidence standard. That should leave elk as red scum but if he's dumb oh well that's life.

We would lynch Bear tomorrow unless she brings proof beyond a reasonable doubt of someone else as scum while shooting Ank and not blocking.

lemme help you then. from the wiki:

McCarthyism is the practice of making accusations of subversion or treason without proper regard for evidence.

[Pirate Ika]

THERE ARE NO FUCKING COMMIES THAT IS WHY WHAT TITUS IS DOING IS McCARTHYISM.

[Pirate Ika]

Titus how about you take 5837, quote it, put it in the quote how each scenario is now what your showing right now. Cus fin has showed how if you idea is right, town already lost

[Pirate Ika]

That post is too long and it is just going to bog down Ank NS and the elk.

I already posted my plan and how it works.

Well fin has showed in that very post how it does not work right now. So unless if you can dismantle it we are calling BS on your plan.

You have to show us how it does not work, he showed it using you idea and plan and showed the very flaws of it. So again go on and show us how what hes stating is wrong. His entire dismantle is on the premises of you plan right now

[Pirate Ika]

His work is showing your exact plan right now and how it fails. So you need to show us how he has not just dismantled the entire plan you show

Pedit: He did not, he showed the entire layout following you "plan"