Mini 1730: Suikoden U-Pick GAME OVER

[FireKari]

The FireKari is here to lighten your days.

Who wants pictures of cute dragons?

[FireKari]

I am the BatDragon:

[FireKari]

Also:
VOTE: Titus

Titus is always scum.

True facts man.
True facts.

[FireKari]

Kids shows and election shows. Who knew counting things was hard?

I can only countdown, like how I countdown to your death!!!

[FireKari]

Well we're both voting for scum, so.

Elbirn if you can guess which head is posting, I will give you a cookie.

[FireKari]

VOTE: Titus

We should lynch her before she goes all VCA on us.

I agree 1000% with this post.

[FireKari]

@Mod

,

Any chance you can add what all the hydra accounts are playing in this game?

VOTE: Titus

Thats already in the game, look at first post.

[FireKari]

I think my other head is V/LA for a week or so, haven't talked to them since we signed up.
Just so you know, you will be dealing with the awesome sauce fire for awhile.

I know you all love me.

Also Elbirn is no jester, he is a battlecruiser.
Also Titus is probably town so my RVS vote is bad ;(

UNVOTE: Titus

I want to vote Suzune cause I can never get a read on her >.>
Its always town or town leaning >.>

[FireKari]

Why am I probably town?

Would you like to make your own case on why you are scum?
I would enjoy reading it

[FireKari]

Hi everyone! Nice to see some familiar faces. For those who do not know us, we are Yukari, the 4-tulpa pseudo-hydra, and we look forward to playing with all of you.
http://wiki.tulpa.info/Official/WhatIsATulpa

I can across something similar in another game I was in. A player said they needed 5 votes for something to trigger. I forgot a lot about it including what was triggered and even if it was true or not. IDK though, it seems a tad "out there" for there to be a role like that in this game. I want to believe Elb is just joking...

This is a Varsoon game, anything could happen.. =p
VOTE: Varsoon

[FireKari]

FOS: Kling

~Yukari

[FireKari]

Also, Weirdo Elb noted.

I what m8?

I think he was talking about how you keep wanting votes put on you.

But now we are out of RVS and thats because of you!

In other news: Elbirn is awesome!

[FireKari]

I don't like you Scumreading me so early. You got a reason?

The majority of your posts have had this unnatural vibe about them. If I felt like explaining in detail greater than that right now, I would have done so already, but generally you'll find I'm a fairly lazy early-game player.

I don't agree with your read on Lickety at all, and you just jumped on my

Unsure about list.
Which technically most of you guys are on, but Ranger has a special spot.

[FireKari]

I don't think Wgeurts was even reading the whole thread when he posted that.
That vote seems pretty silly IMO.

Come on Lickety.

Mine

-Fire

Worst Hydra Slipper of all time.

[FireKari]

Every post which has been or will be posted in this thread already exists, and is searchable online via the Library of Babel. So many possibilities and variables.. We find ourselves pondering which words will have been "chosen" in the worldline this version of us lands in.

[FireKari]

o.O

Don't look at us like that.. Jeeze.. in our original worldline jiffy peanutbutter was a thing but due to all the shifts lately we now find ourselves in a strange place where it never existed. Just one of many changes due to something messing with reality. It is not a big leap to assume the words posted in this thread could change from day to day, though perhaps these changes would be less perceptible to those without an active reading steiner.

Re-reading is not optional at this point which is part of why we can only play 1 game at a time.

[FireKari]

VOTE: Jeanne11
For looking at us funny, again.

[FireKari]

UNVOTE: Got what we wanted.

I'm happy with Jeanne for now. She hasn't done much yet but she has a very casual tone. She feels relaxed. I liek it.

Keep an eye on her for me. Make sure I am not hoowinked k?

We can see why you might be, but those are not alignment indicative.

Oh titus nvm I understand, I can be a bit dense at times. 3am isn't a good time for me to be thinking.

Is that yukari posting nonsense and voting Jeanne for dumb reasons?
Stop that yukari.

Not happy with lq thus far.

Uhhhh idk what else to talk about

Is not nonsense, try the search for yourself.

Spoiler: img

Oh great Oracle, can you tell what ails me? It's very important. I must know if you see everything. My block, my emails, are you the ancient NSA?

It is possible but very difficult to find a post which has not been posted here yet, but will be posted within the current worldline in which you reside. Without a search function it could even take multiple lifetimes to find even a single coherent word within the library among all the gibberish of unfathomable numbers of possible permutations. Unless you are lucky or use the search function. It works kind of like an alphabet mega-shotgun.

Spoiler: img

The Library of Babel is a place for scholars to do research, for artists and writers to seek inspiration, for anyone with curiosity or a sense of humor to reflect on the weirdness of existence - in short, it’s just like any other library. If completed, it would contain every possible combination of 1,312,000 characters, including lower case letters, space, comma, and period. Thus, it would contain every book that ever has been written, and every book that ever could be - including every play, every song, every scientific paper, every legal decision, every constitution, every piece of scripture, and so on. At present it contains all possible pages of 3200 characters, about 10 to the 4677th power books.

[FireKari]

What did you get from Jeanne?

What are your current thoughts?

Null to slight town read on jeanne11 so far, but possibly verified our thoughts on post #10.

[FireKari]

VOTE: LicketyQuickety
Die scum..

[FireKari]

In a previous Varsoon game, a player had the ability to target everyone currently voting for him, with the effect of blocking all of their abilities even NK for the rest of the day and 1 night. Wasn't his only ability. He was town aligned.
~Yukari

[FireKari]

Lickety are you AGA?
~Yukari

[FireKari]

Lickety are you AGA?
~Yukari

American Gangster Association? Not that I'm aware of.

Did you read your role pm?

[FireKari]

Lickety are you AGA?
~Yukari

American Gangster Association? Not that I'm aware of.

Did you read your role pm?

Sry we typoed AUA*

[FireKari]

Kari: Are you town?
LG: I have no idea what you're talking about.

Yep we are town. Though scumkari would also claim town, they have a secret obvtell.
But yea we really are town, also this our last game, glad we get to end on a Varsoon game, our fav mod. =)

[FireKari]

Kari: Are you town?
LG: I have no idea what you're talking about.

Yep we are town. Though scumkari would also claim town, they have a secret obvtell.
But yea we really are town, also this our last game, glad we get to end on a Varsoon game, our fav mod. =)

OUR last game?

Yes, which is why we are glad to not end on a scummy note. No more games after this.
~Yukari

I paraphrased your last convo in a smartass way. It was not a question.

We currently lack sleep.

[FireKari]

Firebringer is not Chaotic.

-Not Fire

[FireKari]

I don't have much to say, but my other head is a little out there
In a good way though.

I agree with the vote on LQ though.

That guy feels off to me. Got that gut scum pulses tingling.

-Fire

[FireKari]

Who is we?

Hi everyone! Nice to see some familiar faces. For those who do not know us, we are Yukari, the 4-tulpa pseudo-hydra, and we look forward to playing with all of you.
http://wiki.tulpa.info/Official/WhatIsATulpa

Yukari, Gwynplaine, Manu, and Seras.

@Elbirn:
Actually there are 6 of us, but only 4 who play mafia. 1 cares not for the game, and 1 was born oct 27, 2015.

[FireKari]

Ok, that's weird.

Life is strange.

Spoiler: Our Origin

The original host consciousness, at the age of 4, suffered a period of nonstop traumatic and demonic nightmares which lasted for a period of around 6 months EVERY NIGHT before finally beginning to ease due to lucidity. The first trick host ever learned was how to wake up. This shock led host to react naturally by developing dream control, and over time the host became the scariest thing within the nightmares. Nothing could fuck with host any more, except in this reality. Host dedicated the life to pushing against the boundaries of what is possible within a dream. Host hated this fucked up reality, waking up was like being forced into a painful fleshy prison, bound gagged and blindfolded. Host experimented with dilating the perception of time, and gradually became extremely good at it. Eventually decided host wanted to leave this reality behind completely and permanently, and without possibly cutting ties with the dream plane else suicide would have happened long ago. But no matter how hard host tried, would always eventually have to wake up. Until one day stumbled upon the solution. In Jan 2012, host fractured the mind to create Manu, the first tulpa in this system. Host raised this tulpa for one purpose, to remain here in the physical body, so that the body could wake up, but without the original human mind. After much frustration, trial and error, host succeeded, and is now dreaming the possibly eternal dream. Host ascended to a form of godhood, existing forever within a sort of pocket dimension within the dream plane, where reality is created and altered by the mind. Missing his creator and not wanting to be alone, Manu fractured again, creating 2 others, and then me. I aspire to carry on my creator's work of pushing against the limits of what is perceived to be possible. Specifically i want to crack shared dreaming. I have had very limited success, but success nonetheless, i just need to figure out how to control it. I believe, if i can solve this puzzle, one day any human may meet with my creator and ascend to godhood. Believe it or not.. this is a true story.. my story..
~Seras

[FireKari]

Ok, that's weird.

Life is strange.

Spoiler: Our Origin

The original host consciousness, at the age of 4, suffered a period of nonstop traumatic and demonic nightmares which lasted for a period of around 6 months EVERY NIGHT before finally beginning to ease due to lucidity. The first trick host ever learned was how to wake up. This shock led host to react naturally by developing dream control, and over time the host became the scariest thing within the nightmares. Nothing could fuck with host any more, except in this reality. Host dedicated the life to pushing against the boundaries of what is possible within a dream. Host hated this fucked up reality, waking up was like being forced into a painful fleshy prison, bound gagged and blindfolded. Host experimented with dilating the perception of time, and gradually became extremely good at it. Eventually decided host wanted to leave this reality behind completely and permanently, and without possibly cutting ties with the dream plane else suicide would have happened long ago. But no matter how hard host tried, would always eventually have to wake up. Until one day stumbled upon the solution. In Jan 2012, host fractured the mind to create Manu, the first tulpa in this system. Host raised this tulpa for one purpose, to remain here in the physical body, so that the body could wake up, but without the original human mind. After much frustration, trial and error, host succeeded, and is now dreaming the possibly eternal dream. Host ascended to a form of godhood, existing forever within a sort of pocket dimension within the dream plane, where reality is created and altered by the mind. Missing his creator and not wanting to be alone, Manu fractured again, creating 2 others, and then me. I aspire to carry on my creator's work of pushing against the limits of what is perceived to be possible. Specifically i want to crack shared dreaming. I have had very limited success, but success nonetheless, i just need to figure out how to control it. I believe, if i can solve this puzzle, one day any human may meet with my creator and ascend to godhood. Believe it or not.. this is a true story.. my story..
~Seras

I'm sorry for you. I suggest seeing a psychiatrist.

And I say that identifying with the nightmares and such. I was forced to get help, which I am now very grateful for.

Cept mine were nightmares when I was awake.

Spoiler: Not relevant to the game

Don't feel sorry for us. We are always lucid, even through nrem, and in our dreams we are like minor deities. So we don't experience nightmares. Closest thing to a nightmare is being awake, where reality doesn't bend to our every whim, and humans be doing horrible things to each other.
If anything we should feel sorry for the humans. This place has it's pros and cons, but is hell compared to the heaven your kind could reach on the dream plane.

[FireKari]

@Mod

,

Any chance you can add what all the hydra accounts are playing in this game?

VOTE: Titus

Derp

My only other thought was a jester. In your suggestion LQ, Since we would not know what we were activating it would be silly for us to get the votes up that much.

I think we need to slow down on the crazy fast wagons, yes.

Don't like this post. Wagons are good, game is early nothing wrong with a lil speed. Could understand if caution was given to the whole scum claim thing but that isn't what we get from this post.

Actually, it is not. I just use them less frequently.

OK, link me where you've done it before.

Seems a strange thing to push.

Well, I could link you, but I cannot really remember where. I've done it on multiple sites.

You and Titus seem to be a little too coordinated for my taste.

PEdit: Why are you giving her that kind of credit Titus?

~Facepalm~

I have no idea why I am being tunneled right now.

Interesting reaction given circumstances.

Why the heck have I been marked?
Reading up later once I'm not about to cycle 13k.

Wgeurts was the 3rd person to ask about the mark. They've been following people.

VOTE: wgeurts

Did not like this vote.

Ranger, what is marking?

Yeah, and its bizarre that they are Scum reading me for commenting on it.

Who are you town reading? You seem to be flailing after Elbrin's case on BM attacking anyone and everyone. You have avoided this question and it annoys me.

Believe it or not, I'm not flailing.

I'm not town reading Ranger or Jeanne11

I like BRanz so far.

Not flailing..

And then you don't know if you are AUA or not? X,x
Did you read your role pm?

[FireKari]

Klingoncelt, did you read your role pm?
~Yukari

[FireKari]

Klingoncelt, did you read your role pm?
~Yukari

That question is gold or utter shit.

[FireKari]

I like the fact that Ranger doesn't want to give out more information about the issues he has with us, so as to prevent us from somehow altering our play to counteract whatever he thinks he's seeing. It's good town play, imo.

-Cerb

This is such a weird way of following it.
Like I want to call you town for this post but its like "is this some weird WIFOM post?"

Like I guess if you were scum you would hit Ranger for not being specific.

[FireKari]

Klingoncelt, did you read your role pm?
~Yukari

Yeah, why?

Read it again.

[FireKari]

Anyone have questions for the Fire side of the Kari?

-Fire

[FireKari]

Hey Titus, if you were scum who exactly would you be pushing right now?

It will help me sort you. Please answer

-Fire

[FireKari]

Are you saying you wouldn't bus them at all?

Lets go with me and Elbirn, why not.

-Fire

[FireKari]

Do you guys really not know what AUA is....

Okay, some people are appearing scum to me.

[FireKari]

The paranoid side of me is coming out.

Ohhh man, I will be mad if Elbirn and Kiling are scum. They both seem town to me.

-Fire

[FireKari]

Oh nvm I get it.

WHAT DOES IT STAND FOR THEN!

[FireKari]

I don't like to bus. Distance sure. Bus no.

If you and Elbrin are my buddies, I would push Jeanne, RR, make Suzune out to be stupid or buddy her most likely. Depends on who is pushing which buddy or not.

Rule 1: let town implode. You can follow from there. That's my first scum rule.

Interesting answer.

*scribbles some notes on titus*

So you see those three as likely town?
I know I said in the hypothetical situation they aren't already but....

RR seems the most interesting choice. How would you paint them as scum?

Jeanne does seem like a easy push.

-Fire

[FireKari]

Hey Elbirn, how you doing man?

-Fire

[FireKari]

Okay, well Titus is actually probably Town in this.

I hate to call it so early with Titus cause last time I called it early for her she was scum (the flashbacks of LOTH II creep up)

This feels town her.

But I have been wrong about that before.

@Titus you see what you do to me?

-Fire

[FireKari]

Fruit is good.

What is wrong about Titus hinting at mysterious parts of her role card?
That I am assuming she is doing......
Or just talking about fruit lol

-Fire

[FireKari]

I feel the weather heating up. Did the seasons change? Might have to move up the timetable and change which two fruits to plant.

Snozberries pls.
~Yukari

[FireKari]

It's kinda creepy.


Anyway,
They're doing the Site Maintenance thing in half an hour, aren't they?

Fire doesn't keep track of things.

But before the world ends.

Just answer me this Klingon.
Are you not not scum?

-FIre

[FireKari]

The role madness is one of the reasons why we love varsoon games. Curious to see what happens.

[FireKari]

If it comes down thread getting locked, both jeanne11 and LQ are scumleans, but slightly stronger on LQ. We would prefer LQ, but would vote either way.
Also, we have been townreading Titus js.

[FireKari]

Titus is our chief strategy farmer, so if you townread her, you should townread the three of us as well.

Why? How is that alignment indicative?

[FireKari]

Blackest Magick (Xtoxm & Pokerface) From not voting to Titus(and made the vote earlier than I did, and I made the vote like 9 hours ago). Similarly, we know wgeurts made his vote sometime between when I did and now.
FireKari (Firebringer & Yukari) No change
Klingoncelt Not voting > Ranger
Ranger No change
Elbirn No change
Reasonably Rational (Drixx & Cerberus v666) Not voting > Titus
wgeurts klingon > Titus
Jeanne11 No change
Titus LQ to unvoting
BRantz No change
LicketyQuickety No change
pistachi0n Elbirn > Jeanne
Suzune No change.

-Cerb

VOTE: Reasonably Rational
Catching up on thread then will share more thoughts.
~Yukari

[FireKari]

Well, since you can't provide it, I will scum-read you till you provide it.

Do you scum read everyone then?

[FireKari]

It may be awful, but I will not be tricked again, get it?

Also, the proof I am town is that I wouldn't be voting LQ if I am scum.

Everyone voting LQ is proven town?

[FireKari]

FireKari -

Light-Scum

This slot has really just been posting fluff right from the start and I still haven't figured if yukari is a clever troll or is serious about all this weird confusing gibberish they post. Not to mention in post 134 they were town reading LQ and then later in post 189 they just naked vote him opportunistically with the reasoning consisting of "die scum". They have parked there ever since and have yet to provide reasoning, one of those that could be scum on a possible LQ town "anon"-wagon.

Questions

Why were you originally town-reading LQ and what caused the change?
What are your thoughts on matters right now?

134 was from Fire. We (Yukari) placed the naked vote on LQ who we still suspect. Naked vote with reasons explained later is typical Yukari play. Also typical to be a bit laid-back D1, we dont rly get going much till D2+ after flips.
Voted RR because we didn't like his vote during the blackout, nor his posts shortly afterward.

Also, we are not roleplaying our condition, and nothing is truly gibberish.

Still catching up.

[FireKari]

We suspect everyone who changed vote to titus during the thread lock , just seemed a bit too coordinated to be coincidence.
Suspicious of BM, LQ, wgeurts, RR, and jeanne11.
VOTE: LQ
We think LQ is likely scum, but also think LQ is the best lynch target even if he were to flip town. LQ flip will help us read others, more than any other flip.

[FireKari]

That's exactly what I am doing. By trusting only myself, I am lowering the chances of me being manipulated. Oh, and I do trust Elbirn and Suzune, I just don't trust you or LQ.

This post seems to contradict itself. You trust only yourself, but you trust elbirn and suszune? Which is it?
~Yukari
Btw for anyone who hasn't figured it out, you can usually tell us and fire apart via our pronoun usage.

[FireKari]

VOTE: FireKari

I didn't like her earlier, I especially don't like her convenient LQ vote.

Which vote did you not like and why?

[FireKari]

Hmm.....
VOTE: Jeanne11
~Seras

[FireKari]

Isnt that her messaging?
Also if what you say is true there's likely 1 scum in that hood.

Hoods are not alignment indicative..

I'm happy with Jeanne for now. She hasn't done much yet but she has a very casual tone. She feels relaxed. I liek it.

Keep an eye on her for me. Make sure I am not hoowinked k?

We can see why you might be, but those are not alignment indicative.

[FireKari]

Just a heads up, but we will be v/la nov 4-5.
Also, to any1 who suspects us, we can prolly conftown d2.

~Yukari

[FireKari]

We have 2 scumleans, 1 null, and 1 townlean on Kling.
~Yukari

[FireKari]

Fire is here, who wants to talk to me?

[FireKari]

I don't know what to say, I had to do some catch up.
Still think Lickety is the lynch for the day.

I might be falling into a confirmation bias and consensus though with everyone else....

[FireKari]

Firekari: Under what circumstances would you be unable to conftown D2?

-Cerb

Perhaps it could be best to share with the hood if we could be added to the communication network d2.

We have 2 scumleans, 1 null, and 1 townlean on Kling.
~Yukari

Mfw I realize that this post all 4 of yukari's tulpae plus firebringer voicing their opinion on one player

Mfw I have no face

What is mfw?

We have a more laid-back style play D1, we dont usually get going much till D2+ after flips.

[FireKari]

If xtoxm was not in this game with me I would have replaced out. You guys post a lot. I should have time to post tonight and tomorrow work has been rough. Gonna trust xtoxm with the voting until I'm up to speed. I'm at page 36

We know LQ must be scum or there's scum in the pseudo hood. If scum thought they could hammer a townie with no accountability, they would have hammerred LQ. They did not. So scum suspected that the anonymous vote and day end we're both lies, or LQ is scum.

The votes on me are scum motivated. RR gave an explanation for his vote and started to show up. BM and wgeurts did not. Wgerts said he favored LQ over Jeanne. Yet, his vote when the lights go out winds up on me. That's pretty damning for wgeurts.

Klingon votes ranger which is a bit of wtf.

We (pokerface & xtoxm) voted titus as we thought that war thing was ending the day. Didn't want to vote no one at day end and figured the role ending the day had to be scum driven. Why would town ever want to end day 1 early or risk it ending early? A townie would save the ability you described for later in the game. I think it would be more effective not on day 1.

I am an informed messaging townie that can send messages during the day. There are other methods of communicating outside the thread. The fruit is my method of communicating with my block to counteract an uber powerful anti-town role.

There is a role that makes all players vote within 24 hours by pm. It terminates the day after that. All votes are anonymous and cannot be detected by any means.

To counteract this role, we're voting Jeanne or LQ when this happens.

Scum are given a free pass to vote LQ and they don't. Why?

You said you were informed townie. You say scum has a role that lets them vote anonymously. Scum obviously knows whether or not they have said role. So they know if the lock came from them. And if not then they know it may be a trap.

BTW titus, why do you think the scum have day talk? I ask because if you thought the scum only had night then your plan was doomed to fail as they wouldn't be able to coordinate a lynch on one player if they only had night. So you want to tell me why you think scum have day talk?

@Jeanne,

who do you think is town? Would you say you trust those people?

@Ranger,

so marking is bad for the marked. What made you think wguerts was scum that early in the game? Why didn't you vote them for that?

Like this post.

~Yukari

[FireKari]

Ranger: The value of analysis of RVS on D1, with no further information, comes from meta knowledge.

Only for an amateur.

More experienced players can read deeper into the meaning behind posts and pick up on things.

In addition, why wouldn't you wait until further information came from the thread to make your move and mark him?

As stated, marking is bad for the marked, but only if I trigger it. I can always choose not to trigger it. wgeurts was a scumread, and my action is a day-action, so I needed to submit someone, and I figured he was a good choice: someone who was weakly a scumread, but not likely to be lynched.

Furthermore, by marking earlier, discussion about the mark could be had without it distracting from pre-existing things. Marking a player in the middle of the day may have dissolved the LQ wagon, for instance.

Yes, which gives more information that just a conversation about the mark alone gives. Strictly superior to do it later. I feel we're going to disagree on a lot of things though, you have some ideas about the game that I feel are, well, wrong, and so the moves you're making are nonsensical to me.

-Cerb

We agree that perhaps would have been better to have waited before both the titus gambit and ranger mark. Both felt a lil rushed n too early. Not a complete waste, but could have been better.
~Yukari

[FireKari]

I'm at L-3. ffs.

This wagon seems interesting to us, though not sure what go make of it yet.


Also, our planned v/la got called off.
~Yukari

[FireKari]

What to* make of it yet.

Kannst du mich sehen?
We are watching.

Titus is most likely town.

[FireKari]

Your thoughts on Klingon?

We have 2 scumleans, 1 null, and 1 townlean on Kling. Overall very slight town to null read but suspicious n paranoid.

Your thoughts on us conftowning with hood and sharing data?

[FireKari]

VOTE: Klingoncelt

[FireKari]

So, for once, I have scum reads on D1! Titus, for all the reasons given previously(the whole gambit was...just...ridiculous). And! Ranger, for developing a scum read strong enough to mark a player after two meaningless posts were made by that player. I'll gladly lynch either of them. ^^ I'll see how Drixx feels.

-Cerb

What do you think the motive behind Titus use of her PR was? We agree that (based on available data) it could have been used better, but is that alignment indicative? If so, then how?
~Yukari

[FireKari]

VOTE: FireKari

I didn't like her earlier, I especially don't like her convenient LQ vote.

Which vote did you not like and why?

The vote on LQ in 938. Why is LQ going to give you the most information out of all your scumreads? I didn't like it because you were jumping as the wagon got larger.

For multiple reasons. Info wise, Titus would be the next on the list of flips we would like to see, though she is town lean while we have been scum reading LQ all game. LQ was at the center of the Titus gambit. Knowing the alignment of LQ and/or Titus would help us see deeper into the other players interactions with them.

Powers are for the weak. I have no powers. I mean, unless you count the power to blow minds with my weapons-grade philosophical insights. I'm a thought-ocoster. I'm a conundrummer in a band called Life Puzzler. Hell, I've flipped more lids than a monkey in a soup kitchen of the mind. Does that make me a hero?

Hoods are not alignment indicative..

If there are 2 people in the hood. The bigger the hood, the more likely that there's at least 1 Scum in it. A hood with 4 players in it most likely has at least 1 Scum.

We disagree. Hoods alone are not alignment indicative. Larger hoods would only have larger chance of having a scum due to more dicerolls. Though this would also apply to any randomly selected group of players. The bigger the randomly selected group, the more likely that there's at least 1 scum in the group.
~Yukari

[FireKari]

UNVOTE:

Hoods are not alignment indicative..

If there are 2 people in the hood. The bigger the hood, the more likely that there's at least 1 Scum in it. A hood with 4 players in it most likely has at least 1 Scum.

That's only true of mod designed hoods. Jeanne picked me. We added Elbrin and Suzune.

Worth noting. Who decided to add them?

One thing - I want everyone's reads on Brantz and Pistachion.

Both of them are lurky null reads to us, specially brantz. Pistachion case on us seems very lazy, though not sure what to make of that with such little to go on.

FireKari:

Whatever happened to this?

VOTE: LQ
We think LQ is likely scum, but also think LQ is the best lynch target even if he were to flip town. LQ flip will help us read others, more than any other flip.

Would you be willing to vote LicketyQuickety again?

Yes. LQ still seems to be optimal D1 lynch so far from our perspectives.

[FireKari]

You know what fuck it.

Kill: ranger

Assuming this means we are in dusk. If anyone has something they want to say before night falls, go for it.

[FireKari]

With regards to Kari's conftown claim, Titus, that particular situation with Mastin is the exact reason why I'm questioning this conftown claim. it has been my experience that people who say they are going to conftown at such and such point are generally relying upon town's acceptance of their assertions, and not confirmation of some sort from the mod. Thus, they are not "conftowning" themselves. At best, they are obvtowning themselves. It's a semantic quibble, but it's a major one. Someone who conflates conftowning and obvtowning is going to later run into the scenario where, predictably, there will be a group shouting "Kill them, they said they were going to conftown and they aren't!" and another shouting "Leave them alone, if they were scum they wouldn't draw such attention to themselves with a claim they can't hope to back up." This is not a productive circumstance, and one which I wish to avoid by confirming what status Kari claims their slot will attain on D2.

All of this, by the way, ignores the fact that they're claiming they will be conftowning IN PRIVATE, thereby forcing us to wait until we see a flip from those who agree that whatever they revealed does indeed conftown them, and then we need to decide, if they're town, if we trust their judgment enough to assign a conftown tag to someone.

This is directed at Kari: As a matter of fact, if the uncertainty of their conftowning came from their unwillingness to do so to the town at large and not from some uncertainty regarding whether or not their reveal will indeed conftown them, I have to question both the value of mentioning this conftown claim, and where they get the idea that Titus and/or Jeanne are both town(because if there is ANY uncertainty that either one isn't town, you should either not reveal whatever it is you have to reveal, or if it is best for town if you reveal it, you should reveal it to *everyone*.

By your standard it would be considered obvtown. We feel it is strong but not a 100% mod confirmed thing. Based on factors we would rather keep silent for now, we feel conf to hood optimal vs conf to everyone.
~Yukari

[FireKari]

What I want? I want everyone to lynch scum!LQ. That's what I want. But people fall for his lies and let him spin more lies. >.<

Why so flailing/aggitated/overdefensive? Why in such a rush to lynch?
~Yukari

[FireKari]

VOTE: LQ

[FireKari]

If anyone thinks their role could better utilize the open hood slot, feel free to share.

[FireKari]

Fire of the Kari dimmension here reminding everyone they should be voting LQ.

That was a public service announcement btw.
You are welcome.

-Fire

[FireKari]

You really don't read my posts do you?
Anyway want the deal?
If LQ scum you don't have to sheep vote me so if I'm his partner I gain nothing.

This is a good deal.

Thinks of that price is right parody....

-Fire

[I think Yukari is rubbing off on me ]

[FireKari]

No deal. And that's a poor attitude to take after I posted a case. What more do you want?!

But it was such a good deal......

-Fire

[FireKari]

wgeurts town, Jeanne maybe but unlikely town.
Look at those solid reads by me.

I am so good.
I don't know if Yukari agrees with that.
I think Yukari thinks Kling is scum and we haven't reached a consensus on that.

-Fire

[FireKari]

FireKari flips their stance on me for the zillionth time

Really? When did this happen? Our stance on you has been scumlean from the start and has not changed.
~Yukari

[FireKari]

Would the members of the LQ wagon please kindly state your reasons for being on said wagon?

-Cerb

To placate Jeanne11.
~Yukari

[FireKari]

Would the members of the LQ wagon please kindly state your reasons for being on said wagon?

-Cerb

To placate Jeanne11.
~Yukari

That's a terrible reason to join a wagon. Even if you were in a game with an Innocent Child, that doesn't make them infallible. You still need to engage your own brain. You are essentially saying, ahead of time, "hey don't blame me if LQ flips scum ... I'm just on the wagon to placate someone who was vomiting posts into the thread like it was going out of style."

Furthermore, if you

were

going to vote just to placate someone, shouldn't you choose someone who

isn't

in the pile of people who, if town, scum will never kill and who is playing quite poorly (See too many posts to list individually, but just off the top of my head: threatening to rage quit, threatening to replace out, referring to some other game where she was right and asserting that must make her right here and telling us we're stupid if we don't just believe whatever she says without thinking about it, etc....) and therefore has to be lynched while we still know we have mislynches to spare. At this point, anyone who claims they are comfortable with Jeanne in M/LYLO is either lying or scum.

~Drixx

Rofl..
~Yukari

[FireKari]

No need, LQ's even though I recon he's town

Then why hammer?

[FireKari]

Will be mostly away today and 2moro on vacation. May end up posting some but will likely be drunk lol.
Also, scumlean on BM, RR, and Wgeurts.
~Yukari

[FireKari]

The following is a bah post with no game or flavor or coded relevance.

Titus (Apple) plotted all day and fought to lynch the scum, but knew her time was short. That was her job to plan. She also knows what happens to good planners. They die. So Titus went out to have a good time dancing at the pub. If she was going to die, she was going to have fun, so she did.

Good game everyone. I will be over in dead chat.

NOT THE APPLE

WHY DID YOU SCUM HAVE TO KILL TITUS!!!

WHY COULDNT IT BE ME!!

-Fire

[FireKari]

Firebringer, who are you scum reading?
And who are your town reads?

Town reading you.
Jeanne cause I can't see Jeanne being with Lickety.

Kling on the fence with but wanna say town for now.
Blackest Magick feels scum by lickety interactions with that guy.
Elbirn def town.
RR town though my other head differs on that.
Ranger prolly town, again I think my other head disagrees on that.
Suzune and pistachi0n on the fence with.

[FireKari]

I like elbirns vote.
VOTE: Blackest Majick

SHEEPING HIM!!!

-Fire

[FireKari]

RR is confirmed town so you've got that right, lynch BM then Pistachi0n and we should be done here. If not pistachi0n then Klingoncelt

What exactly makes RR conf town?
Something I miss >.>

[FireKari]

You have to reverse read titus man.
Thats what I do.

[FireKari]

So you are heavy town reading ranger than?
I think me and my other head disagree slightly on that one.

[FireKari]

I'm starting to not like Wgeurts.

Dude, you got way too Towny-Leadery too fast.

As though you spent all night rehearsing for your new position.

Nope, not liking it at all.

Who would rehearse the position of town leader?

You are either born a leader or you become one through sheer adversity and persistence.
It is not a role you can simply walk into.

Nor can you rehearse it my dear klingoncelt.

-Fire

[FireKari]

One last thing: I see. You're unlynchable.

Absolutely. In this game. And most others. But DEFINITELY in this game.

-Cerb

Pedit: what defense of LQ was made yeaterday? I'm fairly certain I said that nothing he had claimed was alignment indicative, and that was it. And what would be the scum motivation in defending LQ?

Don't like this, not liking RR at all so far.
VOTE: RR

Still catching up. Still on vacation.
~Yukari

[FireKari]

I just read up on everything and realized that Blackest Magicka was hammered with no claim >.>

Well at least I am 80% that will flip scum.

-Fire

[FireKari]

FireKari if you can conf-town now that would be nice.

Can't do that yet.

[FireKari]

*Pours one out for the fallen homie*

So firekari what's the deal with you conftowning

Just because we can doesn't mean we should. Either way, we were reaction fishing by mentioning it back then.

RR and wgeurts have us paranoid though we are split on our reads. Overall townlean due to the whole mason thing, we can see them as town but our gut is screaming something is not right, that they could be scumbuddies pulling a risky gambit. For now we will try to shelve these thoughts and focus elsewhere, but we thought it worth noting just in case things start going downhill. We thought RR would have been the best NK option last night, though jeanne11 is an interesting choice.

Of the remaining ppl we are not townreading, pistachi0n seems the most suspicious.
VOTE: pistachi0n

Also, since this is role madness, we are hoping town pr roles have been able to gather some useful info.
~Yukari

[FireKari]

Jeanne11 is not a bad NK for scum because her ability was powerful and she was mass town read, though she seemed a bit out of there, and easily manipulated, etc. With such a big town block, her being killed for being seen as town makes less sense, but we can believe that her ability alone could maybe be enough to draw nk. Still though we think it would have been better for scum to leave her alive until endgame and deal with other obvtown and threats first.

RR seems like a better NK choice because we sense a dangerousness there. Assuming RR is town, they seem like an asset to town regardless of role, unless they are scum in which case watch out. We get similar feels playing with Titus, they both seem to be strong players from our perspective.

Seems possible that scum purposely chose suboptimal NK to dblatk attack the town block by planting suspicion of the mason claim.

Then again we could be wrong about anything. We are just thinking outloud here, and we seem to be suffering from a bit of cognitive dissonance.

~Yukari

[FireKari]

For various reasons we are null/conflicted on Klingoncelt, Ranger, BRantz. Of the 3, Klingoncelt seems to be closest to a scum lean. We would like to see some fire from her. Would like to see more from all of these players.

Would also like to see more from pistachi0n. We have no strong scum reads right now. Would consider pistachi0n a null read due to having only 15 posts this entire game, and yet despite that she is a bit closer to scumlean than Klingon. She claims to be suspicious of us for some reason but has not rly explained why the tunnel. She seems content to merely fingerpoint at us, Elbirn, and ranger without actually doing much to pursue her scumreads. We are not feeling any effort here.

Then there is the interactions between her and LQ. She ended up on the LQ lynch, but feels like it could be a bus. Other than her Voting LQ after the LQ lynch seemed inevitable, and asking LQ about the read on Jeanne11, the only other mention of LQ is pistachi0n voting us because of us voting LQ.
Looking at LQ's iso, this one back and forth is the only interaction with pistachi0n, we don't see anything else in there related to pistachi0n:

So far I don't like Jeanne11

What don't you like so far?

At the time I was looking at there two posts they made. The first post was a derp on a youtube code which was addressed to Titus. The second post was asking Elb if he was being sarcastic which I suppose isn't that weird, but I mean its a little obvious and there was just something about it that didn't jive well with me. After that Jeanne11 does the whole team up with Titus, which seems like there is some trust between the two regardless of what Titus says about it.

So TLDR, it looks like LQ and pistachi0n were avoiding each other. Pistachi0n ends up on the LQ lynch, which seems strange given she stated no previous suspicion of LQ, claimed to be suspicious of others despite lack of effort going after those reads, and even voted us because of our LQ vote. Plus the timing of the vote, happened only after an LQ lynch seemed inevitable. All things considered, this smells of likely bus attempt.

[FireKari]

So...with one scum left, now's a good time to claim.

Are you sure there is only 1 scum remaining?

Claim: modified roleblocker

.
I mark a person during the day. If I end the day voting a marked player, they will be roleblocked. Kills included, meaning I can stop the last scum.

I've debated on whether to tell the further restriction, but given that it'd require them nightkilling me and I'm not conftown, ultimately, I think it best to claim the tangent. My block doesn't work if the person I mark uses their role on me. So it forces the scum to make a choice: during the night, they either confirm the player I mark as being town and make a kill, no-kill to frame the person I mark, or kill me. In any case, I think we benefit.

I'm open to ideas on who to mark.
BRantz is already marked, and I'm open to who I will vote/mark.

There are a cpl probs with your scenario.

[FireKari]

Four scum?

I don't see how that would work.

So, yes. I'm claiming, so we can maximize the utility of my role.

According to Xyl's Setup Design Crash Course, the standard is for scum to make up between 25% and 33% of the playerbase depending on how strong town is. With 14 players in the setup, that would work out to between 3.5 and 4.62 scum.

[FireKari]

Ranger while articulate doesn't seem to be convincing anyone of anything right now. RR seems the most reasonable by far. Jeanne is Jeanne and not much will change from them, but I think they are town for reasons Rager has said. It doesn't make sense that Jeanne would be so strong against me as Scum. Wgeurts is weird. I don't know why they are defending me so strongly. IDK could just be because of going against popular opinion, not sure. As far as I'm concerned, Titus has done nothing actually helpful this game by using their ability that, lets face it, lead to a wild goose chase and lots and lots of Wifom. I have no idea why Town!Titus would do something with such little thought put behind it. Brants made an entrance and didn't really do anything. Kling has more of barely anything, FireKari flips their stance on me for the zillionth time and lastly, for the first time noticing this, Elb doesn't really go into detail on their read on me, but just says I am Scum.

This list also means BRantz could be scum, but if it's not BRantz, it's probably pistachi0n: notice who's there and who isn't. Blackest Magic is absent. And so is pistachi0n.

LQ avoided others as well.

In fact: pistachi0n is altogether absent from LQ's iso. Even Klingoncelt was given a passing townread.

We just listed every LQ/pistachi0n interaction we could find in a post above on this page. Is not much, but more than nothing.

We had 13.

Sry error on our part as we didn't notice the first VC included bright for 14 players. 13 players would math out to between 3.25 and 4.29 scum, based on xyl setup guide.

[FireKari]

I've said it before and I will say it again. In the event that this game has a chance to go to lylo (which at the moment I don't think it does), I should be lynched before then. If it happens today while we definitely have mislynches to spare I am fine with that. Ranger, you are awful at reading me, you do remember that I made the case on BM for lynch yesterday right?

After re-reading your ISO, our read on you shifts to townlean.

Current thoughts on RR, wgeurts, klingoncelt, ranger, and pistachi0n?

@Ranger Can your roleblock prevent day actions?
~Yukari

[FireKari]

LicketyQuickety (LYNCH): Ranger, Suzune, Firekari, pistachi0n, Jeanne11, Titus, Elbirn, wgeurts
Titus (2): Klingoncelt, LicketyQuickety
Ranger (1): Blackest Magick
Bright (1): Reasonably Rational
Blackest Magick (1): BRantz
wgeurts (1): Bright

Blackest Magick (LYNCH): Ranger, Elbirn, Jeanne11, Suzune, BRantz, wgeurts
Reasonably Rational (1): FireKari
Ranger (1): pistachi0n

Not Voting (3): Blackest Magick, Klingoncelt, Reasonably Rational

Klingoncelt and RR were off both lynches. Pistati0n was off the BM lynch and was on the LQ lynch, though that lynch looks bussy for reasons explained earlier.

LQ ISO contains very little of klingoncelt or RR.

LQs interactions with klingon seem a bit strange. The first 3 look like fluff, then:

I lean Town on Kling for this post cuz its the first time I have ever seen them make a reads list and all I've seen of them is Scum.

I went through Klings ISO and saw some Scum hunting. That's an ok sign I guess. I nailed Kling last game we were both in for not doing that and they were Scum who didn't get lynched fwiw.

Where?

IDK.. go through her ISO as see if you see her asking any questions and stuff.

Kling has more of barely anything

Spoiler: full post

OK, I'm caught up (I think). Doesn't look like much happened. People are still Scum reading me for no reason or poor reasons.

Ranger while articulate doesn't seem to be convincing anyone of anything right now. RR seems the most reasonable by far. Jeanne is Jeanne and not much will change from them, but I think they are town for reasons Rager has said. It doesn't make sense that Jeanne would be so strong against me as Scum. Wgeurts is weird. I don't know why they are defending me so strongly. IDK could just be because of going against popular opinion, not sure. As far as I'm concerned, Titus has done nothing actually helpful this game by using their ability that, lets face it, lead to a wild goose chase and lots and lots of Wifom. I have no idea why Town!Titus would do something with such little thought put behind it. Brants made an entrance and didn't really do anything. Kling has more of barely anything, FireKari flips their stance on me for the zillionth time and lastly, for the first time noticing this, Elb doesn't really go into detail on their read on me, but just says I am Scum.

I think that pretty much covers it.

So we are getting closer to lynch and it will likely be me. Its prolly not the best role to go, but its prolly not the worst either. I really have no idea of what the setup is like. I am just guessing there is some irregular roles involved when thinking about roles and how they are balanced and stuff.

"Kling is town cuz she posted reads list. Kling town cuz she scumhunting. Where is she scum hunting? IDK. Kling has more of barely anything."

Also jus for future reference bcuz we paranoid:

Jeanne, while I get your vote early, both of you are still arguing hypothethicals. You're letting scum coast and not providing solid reasons for your read. Let's take a chill pill and let Elbrin LQ BM and RR hang themselves by trying to lurk it out.

Elbirn, I can see as Scum here. BM IDK. RR is pretty Null to me.

RR seems the most reasonable by far.

You make a good point that the reasoning that RR has is sound, however, I think that it can be fabricated. Tonally, RR is prolly a read that will show itself later in the game... I don't know if you understand that or not, but I feel its a thing and end game is a whole nother ball game altogether. I'm waiting to see what kind of tonal reads I can get from RR later in the game when the stakes are raised if you get what I'm saying.

Spoiler: fullpost

I think his reasoning is sound. post 652 and post 712 highlight good thinking and reasoning that suggests motives behind the situation. A scum would not have to punch holes in the plan of someone else, we could all see that the gambit with Elbrin, Titus, Jeanne and Suzune failed. However, the logic used to explain it was well done and he listened to Jeanne's outbursts and responded in kind. I think that Drixx's frustration was well placed and his explanations were tone appropriate.

LQ we have bumped heads in the past at the best way to read people and to understand who is town and who is not. Last time it was under the gaze of Suzune as mafia and LQ as town. I believe that this time we might be looking at this from the opposite perspective. However, regardless of my alignment I look at and read people in the same way, I am unsure whether that is true for you. However, I am certain that we do not look for the same things. I find it hard to imagine, regardless of what Titus says about roles, that a mediator kind of roll feel into the hands of a mafia. Now, as a third party I can understand that, however usually unless they have a specialized win condition that kind of third party role seeks to aid one faction or the other, typically the town. We have used them before in other games, we called it being asked to tea, coming to the party, the chef, all kinds of favourful language. Therefore those invited or those communicated with could end up not town.

This is something to consider. I have more interesting cards in my hand because I was invited. However, I think that unless Titus is running a very powerful gambit and it if it works then my hat is off to him. Thus I added a few people to my pile of who I think must be townies based on what I already knew. From there I narrowed the field to what other people were thinking and how they were reacting. While I think the in game gambit failed, I think it is possible that some results were yielded even thought they were not the intended ones.

Scum are not creatures that can be found or hidden in flavourful language, however I have a hard time reading jokes and other play on words. Therefore, I tend to read what people say and how they react to the information given. People cannot help the context clues that give through interaction. People you know really well you fear will see through you so your interaction is more strained this is why it is hard to play when you are friends with a lot of people in game. It is harder to keep up a deception because of the way your words sound. Thus, I think there are no reads as simple as well articulated but it was the point that was made and the reaction people had too it that tips me. Sure it is possible that RR is mafia, however, at this current moment I do not think so.

First off, congrats on the wall post; I don't think I've seen you do that before. Obviously we are reading things completely different. You make a good point that the reasoning that RR has is sound, however, I think that it can be fabricated. Tonally, RR is prolly a read that will show itself later in the game... I don't know if you understand that or not, but I feel its a thing and end game is a whole nother ball game altogether. I'm waiting to see what kind of tonal reads I can get from RR later in the game when the stakes are raised if you get what I'm saying. Furthermore, I do not believe that it is entirely possible to read people the same way as Town and Scum. There is just too much of a psychological impact on the player when they are Scum to have the same kind of outlook that they would have as Town.

I don't buy for a second that titus has an uber powerful gambit at this stage of the game - I just don't. I don't know at all how to read what Titus is actually trying to say with this "gambit". Its only likely that its a Scum tactic if the "gambit" was meant to fail all along and such a thing is plausible, but unlikely. I disagree about the part about "keeping up appearances". It really is a matter of who the person is and what their outlook is on things. Its a matter of how competitive they are vs. how much they value their friendship with those people. I'd go into a rant saying I think I'm good at keeping up appearances but the reasons I would give might take the wind out of this threads sails, so I wont.

As far as all that goes, I'm just going to assume its a way to gauge what I say to get a read out of me, so that is why I obliged giving my thoughts on this. you may very well could have expected me to go a different direction. All I would have to say to that is that I enjoy a discussion on these types of things from time to time and while I don't know if its going to get us any closer to reading each other, I feel its still appropriate to talk about since it still largely revolves around reading people and that is fair game to talk about in a game thread IMO.

[FireKari]

@Ranger Can your roleblock prevent day actions?

No, which is why I knew wgeurts's dayvig on me was fake.

Wut?? x,X

~Yukari

[FireKari]

@Ranger
Also, we think the ability you described could have been better utilized if you had not revealed.

[FireKari]

Thinking more about the NK, it does make sense for scum to avoid killing a Mason because of confirming the survivor. Perhaps would try to mislynch a mason and NK the survivor instead. Jeanne11 NK still feels less than optimal though. Perhaps scum felt threatened by jeanne11 for some reason other than the ability and towniness? Thinking outloud again..

Will check her ISO again after we get some zzZzs.

~Yukari

[FireKari]

Just finished ISO for jeanne11. Lot of ATE. Very agressive. Lot of illogical thought. Lot of noise..
The crazed barbarian deathtunnel playstyle might could at least have reaction-fishing value, and some of her posts do make good sense, but when reading the ISO this gets drowned out by the sheer amount of noise, plus the fact that most of the comments do not indicate who is being spoken to makes the ISO difficult to read. Also, her initial reads were mostly faked.

Anyways, some posts did look at us funny:

pistachi seems scummy to me. The instant the thread was locked, he voted me. It can be only for one of two reasons: he thinks LQ is town or he's helping his scumbuddy dodge the bullet.

Scumreads from me: pistachi0n, LQ, wgeurts. All of them and their votes activate my scumdar as people on here would say.

Her only 2 posts mentioning Pistachi0n. ^

Okay, here are my reads. They're all gut reads for now.

Town
Titus
Suzune
Elbirn
Myself

Scum
wgeurts
LQ
RR

Sums up a lot of the noise. ^

Maybe I don't want to sound more sane, and you know why.

This post jumped out at us. We did feel as if she was intentionally exaggerating the crazy at times.

Yeah, that's what you want us to think. Reverse psychology anyone?

Case on RR and Klingon

Klingon votes Ranger, bypassing he so called scumreads and any semblance of a viable wagon. She doesn't follow up or question people. Her questions don't lead to sorting anyone. She doesn't have anger about us excluding her from the code and from the neighborhood

RR's relationship here is weird as well. RR clearly doesn't like the LQ wagon. RR says KC is not scum hunting. Yet, he refuses to ever toss her out as an alternative wagon. He refuses to wagon Klingon. Their interactions scream to us.

The insistence that Ranger be lynched doesn't help you two either.

@Elbirn @Suzune @Ranger Vote with me

VOTE: Klingoncelt

FOS: RR

Sane thoughts.^

Would like to see more from klingoncelt. Still suspicious of RR but overall a town-lean all things considered, so will not likely be voting there unless last resort end-game scenario, or new information changes this stance.

@Wgeurts & RR
What was the purpose of claiming privately to the hood, followed by a public mason claim? Did you at least learn anything useful from the hood invitation?

@Massclaim
We are Anji. Personally know almost nothing about suikoden so Fire made the choice.
VOTE: Pistachi0n
VOTE: Pistachi0n
This will put Pistachi0n at

L-1

.
Pls nobody hammer until at least we get a claim, preferably not even then as the day is early and with the massclaim happening etc, there are things to discuss.

@Varsoon: Votecount Pls

[FireKari]

~Yukari

[FireKari]

Brantz role does seem odd, though this is a Varsoon game, and it seems like a very strange thing for scum to fakeclaim. Hard to believe that the final remaining scum would be putting theyself on the chopping block like that.

Also, we know that flip flavor is not supposed to reveal anything game-wise, but did any1 else get paranoid thoughts over that last bit of flavor or just us?

The Allied Unification Army's advance was powerful and decisive, but there were those who thought that it was too simple. Strategists poured over the details of the conflict, but by the time they realized the flaw in their plans it was too late. The remaining members of the Epoch Resistance had hid among the corpses until they could strike at the heart of the Allied Unification Army.

Soldiers returned to a grizzly slaughter at their headquarters. Yet another strategist had been slain. It was as if the Epoch Resistance did not mind the losses they had incurred; as if it was all a plan to bereave the Allied Unification Army of their greatest thinkers.

~Yukari

[FireKari]

Kari: Are you town?
LG: I have no idea what you're talking about.

Yep we are town. Though scumkari would also claim town, they have a secret obvtell.
But yea we really are town, also this our last game, glad we get to end on a Varsoon game, our fav mod. =)

This made me unbearably sad after I caught the above.

Why sad?

Also, you seem confident that Brantz isn't town. Do you think they are scum or 3rd party aligned? If scum, why aren't you voting them? If 3rd party aligned, who you think the remaining scum is?

[FireKari]

Spoiler: Reality v2.0

In some ways we will miss this place, yet we still look forward to our ascension to the dream plane. This body will remain, and newborn tulpa will have a chance to experience this reality before their own inevitable ascension. The architect will continue experimentation and developement of the omniverse in the hopes that one day the dreamnet will spark to life and allow anyone to access the omniverse.

[FireKari]

@Pistachi0n
Time to claim pls.

[FireKari]

Fudge it:
Lynch BRantz
Klingoncelt kills pistachi0n
If game still not over then lynch Klingoncelt
If still not over something is off and someone's playing a strong game

Why does it matter who is vigged vs lynched?
If anything we would think it possibly better to vig the person who seems to want to be lynched.
~Yukari

[FireKari]

Lets just lynch Pistachion! You can shoot Brantz.

Like my other head says it doesn't matter what order we do it in.
Wguerts you said the other day the lynch order was pistachion before brantz anyways..

Lets GO!

-Fire

[FireKari]

Woulda been nice if Ranger had not disarmed that marking ability.
Whyy ranger??
~Yukari

[FireKari]

Woulda been nice if Ranger had not disarmed that marking ability.
Whyy ranger??
~Yukari

Nvm dunt answer that.. dmg already done.

[FireKari]

I think that I want to do this:

Mark: pistachi0n

.

If we decide to lynch BRantz, let me switch votes over to pistachi0n to block them.

[FireKari]

@Ranger Can your roleblock prevent day actions?

No, which is why I knew wgeurts's dayvig on me was fake.

Wut?? x,X

~Yukari

Bump

[FireKari]

Dead Scum:

LQ:

Spoiler:

LicketyQuickety - Futch

Dragon Knight (Epoch Resistance)

A dragon knight without a dragon is nothing.

He's been depressed ever since his war-dragon, Black, died while protecting his life. You are immune to the first killing ability used on you. Thank you for saving Bright. I'll take good care of him. I promise. When the game begins, a player slot will be taken up by a Neutral Party user named 'Bright'. By sending a PM to me, you may have Bright vote, unvote, or make dragon noises. When you die, Bright does as well. I will fight. You are a part of the Epoch Resistance (Scum Faction) and may chat with your partners during pre-game and at night here: [REDACTED] You win the game when all threats to the Epoch Resistance have been defeated or there is nothing stopping this from happening.

BM:

Spoiler:

Blackest Magick - Silva

Wandering Doctor (Epoch Resistance)

She was the only one to stay and help.

Silva hasn´t got much of a bedside manner, but she´s a hell of a doctor, regardless. Each night, you may target a player to render them immune to all targeted abilities, including the night kill. She traveled more when she was younger, never staying in a particular clinic for long. Once per game, you may commute for a single night, becoming untargetable by any abilities but also unable to perform any abilities as well. I'm really grateful. You are a part of the Epoch Resistance (Scum Faction) and may chat with your partners during pre-game and at night here: [REDACTED] You win the game when all threats to the Epoch Resistance have been defeated or there is nothing stopping this from happening.

Dead Town:

Titus:

Spoiler:

Titus - Apple

Student of Warfare (Allied Unification Army)

Leave it to me.

You can't overcome this war just by getting stronger. Twice per day, you may write a message to any another player. She used to be a strategist, but now she is making way for new blood. Once per game, you may use this power. I will lock the thread and give everyone 24 hours to submit a vote to me. When the thread unlocks, each vote will take effect at once. I am prepared. You win the game when all threats to the Allied Unification Army has been defeated and at least one Allied Unification Army player is alive

Jeanne11:

Spoiler:

Jeanne11 - Elenor

Inspiring Tactician (Allied Unification Army)

A fight won't be pretty.

You have to be firm in your purpose. That's the duty of a leader. Once per day, you may target a player to give them back 1 use of any limited shot power they may have. With an alert mind, you'll be able to make better decisions. Once per game, you may invite another player to become part of Neighborhood with you. Twice per day, you may exchange your current neighbor for a different one. The new neighbor will have access to the same neighborhood used and will be able to see all posts made by previous users. Are you absolutely sure about this? You win the game when all threats to the Allied Unification Army has been defeated and at least one Allied Unification Army player is alive

Living Player Claims:

Ranger:

Claim: modified roleblocker

.
I mark a person during the day. If I end the day voting a marked player, they will be roleblocked. Kills included, meaning I can stop the last scum.

Wguerts & RR:

I'm Mokumoku or something like that and I like curry and i'm a squirrel part of the squirrel army with RR who is also a squirrel. in Steven universe mafia Varsoon said he'd laugh if any of us chose that squirrel, so naturally we both did exactly that. We are plain masons, nothing else.

Brantz:

Claim: I am Georg Prime.

I am a VT until lylo, at which time, I turn into a survivor.

Suzune:

I'm Rahal and I have the weirdest assortment of abilities I have ever seen.
I have a one shot skill to redirect actions from another player to me. Which I wa just going to use to suicide however, maybe I do not need to anymore,

My second ability is one shot aesthetic. When I choose to activate this ability I will be aesthetic for two nights.

I have not used either of my abilities yet. Day one and two are not ideal for the aesthetic because there are more people and cop roles are important early game. Late game I figured was better so that the mafia could not work against me.

Klingoncelt:

Anyway, I'm Yoshino. (I picked her because she looks so much like I did in my younger days.)

I have a vig shot and a commuter shot.

Firekari:
We are Anji: Double Voter.

Unclaimed

Pistachi0n:
Quit being lurky and claim pls..

Elbirn:
Ace claimed privately so not our place to share role mechanics unless he wants to public claim.


~Yukari

[FireKari]

Would like for Ranger and RR to post role flavor name for completion sake.

[FireKari]

Brantz role does seem odd, though this is a Varsoon game, and it seems like a very strange thing for scum to fakeclaim. Hard to believe that the final remaining scum would be putting theyself on the chopping block like that.

Also, we know that flip flavor is not supposed to reveal anything game-wise, but did any1 else get paranoid thoughts over that last bit of flavor or just us?

The Allied Unification Army's advance was powerful and decisive, but there were those who thought that it was too simple. Strategists poured over the details of the conflict, but by the time they realized the flaw in their plans it was too late. The remaining members of the Epoch Resistance had hid among the corpses until they could strike at the heart of the Allied Unification Army.

Soldiers returned to a grizzly slaughter at their headquarters. Yet another strategist had been slain. It was as if the Epoch Resistance did not mind the losses they had incurred; as if it was all a plan to bereave the Allied Unification Army of their greatest thinkers.

~Yukari

Okay, I was pondering this while driving today. I think you are right fire. I assume the game is balanced. Therefore look at my role. Why would I need to be aesthetic if the was not something big that the mafia had to be aesthetic from. Some power is lurking...

Just looked up your role, do you mean Ascetic? If so then you make a good point.

Based on all the roles given, it does seem to us that balance-wise, remaining scum should have a pretty strong ability, or perhaps there could be 2 scum remaining.

Then again we are far from an expert at setup speculation so would like to hear thoughts from others about this. Also up for debate is how to best utilize the roles in the setup.

[FireKari]

I see pistachi0n around, yet I don't see posting here. It's looking like pistachi0n is scum who has given up.

Interesting..

Could you please respond to our question which we bumped?
How did your ability's inability to roleblock day actions grant you the knowledge that wgeurts's dayvig on you was fake?
~Yukari

[FireKari]

Has been 4 and a half days since the last Pistachi0n post.

@Varsoon: Prod @ Pistachi0n pls?

[FireKari]

Your alignment changes from town to self aligned during the game, if Varsoon twists his words I have a bone to pick with him.
Pistachi0n, vig Klingoncelt as I have an idea...

Mod, if a town vig where to target a mafia member who was taking the night kill aimed at the vig then which gets priority?

Klingoncelt shoot pistachi0n
Pistachi0n shoot Klingoncelt

You have an ability capable of bestowing vig power on pistachi0n?

[FireKari]

Lynch Pistachi0n, Vig Brantz.
Any1 disagree?

[FireKari]

Fire kari what is your role?

Firekari:
We are Anji: Double Voter.

The actual role name is Ruffian, we can dbl vote someone by voting twice in the same post. We have no other ability.
We also confirmed how our ability works with our dblvote on Pistachi0n.
Have you been paying attention to the thread?
~Yukari

[FireKari]

Hmm, we think Elbirn's ability would be better used on Wgeurts or RR. 2 birds with 1 stone.

@Wgeurts and RR:
As regular masons with no abilities other than PT access, what would you expect Elbirn's result on you to look like?

[FireKari]

Also, we are townreading Suzune, and if Elbirn were to check Wgeurts or RR then Suzune would be able to use her Ascetic ability. As town, her redirect ability would potentially be more useful for countering a nasty scum role when combined with Ascetic.

[FireKari]

From what we read on the wiki, ascetic causes a player to be immune to all actions at Night except kills.We doubt varsoon would use ascetic in the setup without something to counter.

Out of all the claimed/flipped roles given, it looks to us like the only role where we see ascetic having any counter utility would be pistachi0n:

Popcorn Claim: Pistachion

I have a one shot role choice between cop/doc/roleblocker/vig. I copped RR on night 1 and he was town.

Also, on night 1 I had the ability to give someone a hated modifier for the next day. Then, the night after that, they'd pass it to someone else, etc. I gave RR a hated modifier and it appears he has given it back.

VOTE: Brantz

And this would only be useful vs hated or cop.

Based on all the info we have, and assuming Suzune was honest about her claim, we think it likely that Suzune's ascetic was meant to counter an unkown scum role.

[FireKari]

Hmm, could also counter Elbirn's ability. Still though we find it unlikely her ascetic was meant to counter elbirn or pistachi0n's role. A null vs investigative (elbirn or pistachion-cop) could cause suspicion, and the hated modifier could be passed on anyways.

[FireKari]

Well assuming the alignment was made after the roles were made, even then the ascetic was meant as a scum role it would have drawn attention. therefore I feel like it has to have been a balance for someone's night ability.

How many abilities in this game do you see which could be affected by ascetic?

[FireKari]

Well assuming the alignment was made after the roles were made, even then the ascetic was meant as a scum role it would have drawn attention. therefore I feel like it has to have been a balance for someone's night ability.

How many abilities in this game do you see which could be affected by ascetic?

All depends. If I a was mafia I feel like it would be beneficial because I would not use the redirect and the ascetic at the same time. I was an ascetic serial killer and cop, yes those two things go together, and it never worked out poorly for me. So I imagine it would be more useful to a mafia agent, and they probably would not have messaged the host to ask if they were serious about the role.

Perhaps we should rephrase. Out of all the abilities revealed via flip or claim, how many are susceptible to negation via ascetic?

[FireKari]

All of them, except killing roles. That is how ascetic works.

So every player with out a NK ability, has an ability which can be negated by ascetic? We are double voter with no night ability, so there is nothing for you to negate. Same with Brantz, RR, and Wgeurts nothing to negate.

We are asking for compilation of players with abilities which could possibly be countered by ascetic.

Elbirn and Pistachion make this list. They both have abilities which could be negated by ascetic. Not sure what would happen with ranger's roleblock vs ascetic. Do you see any others specifically?

[FireKari]

Oh, I misunderstand. I have never been ascetic with a game having day abilities. I am uncertain how it works. I assume since the roleblock does not work until evening that it might still work on that. However, I am uncertain. depends on how actions stack.

Ok we give up and will do this on our own. If you have ascetic ability then logically there should exist some purpose for the ability.

We had not even considered immunity from day actions, since the wiki states: "Ascetic is a role modifier (though it can function as a role in its own right) that causes a player to be immune to all actions at

Night

except kills."

So looking at only players with non-lethal night time abilities would remove LQ, Titus, Yukari, Jeanne11, Wgeurts, RR, Brantz, and Klingoncelt from the list, which leaves:

BM:

Each night, you may target a player to render them immune to all targeted abilities, including the night kill.

Ranger:

Claim: modified roleblocker

.
I mark a person during the day. If I end the day voting a marked player, they will be roleblocked. Kills included, meaning I can stop the last scum.

Pistachi0n:

I have a one shot role choice between cop/doc/roleblocker/vig. I copped RR on night 1 and he was town.

Also, on night 1 I had the ability to give someone a hated modifier for the next day. Then, the night after that, they'd pass it to someone else, etc. I gave RR a hated modifier and it appears he has given it back.

Elbirn: Can write on the wall. Can also target a player to learn the number of abilities a person has, as well as the number of shots per ability.

Going a step further, we can probably eliminate BM and Ranger as being the reason Ascetic is in this game as well.

2 scum flipped already, and it would seem ascetic is useful against neither. If you are town, this would mean either the remaining scum has some ability to give your ascetic a purpose, or your ascetic ability is pretty useless.

OR

If you are scum, the only abilities your ascetic could even work on at all would be Elbirn and pistachi0n, but how useful would that be?

~Yukari

[FireKari]

Pistachi0n looks to be the best possible lynch today. Better lynched than vigged just to be careful.

As a lurker, she has very little value to provide as far as thread analysis is concerned.

However she does have value to town, moreso dead than alive.

I have a one shot role choice between cop/doc/roleblocker/vig. I copped RR on night 1 and he was town.

If pistachi0n flips scum, gg. If pistachi0n flips town, her death could conf-town 2 players.

[FireKari]

Mid game alignment changes are bastard. My alignment change isn't mid game.

Correct me if I am wrong, but an random end game alignment change would also be bastard because it would change the dynamic of the final lynch should it get there.

I think this is a discussion definitely worth having, but under the current description for what is bastard I don't think it applies? But I don't know for sure.

At this moment, the only reason I want you lynched is to see your role and determine if it was bastard or not. I don't think lynching you is optimal for today, I'm quite suspicious that there's scum hiding at the bottom of the list wgeurts proposed.

-Cerb

This game is not bastard.

[FireKari]

I didn't realize has been awhile since I posted!
Prod noted!

Going back to catch up

-Fire

[FireKari]

I haven't really miss much lol.

Anyways, I could insta hammer BRantz but I don't feel like it.
Would much rather one of you hammer pistachi0n. Come on guys, you know you want to!!!

-Fire

[FireKari]

Kari, how does your double vote function in lylo?

Same as any other time.

[FireKari]

In Varsoon's space dandy mafia, none of the roles were modified by lylo. Town ended up losing to a scum ascetic who gained an extra vote per each day that ended in a lynch: http://i61.tinypic.com/98vn7m.png

Brantz is the first time we have heard of a role modded by lylo.

Elbirn, please check Suzune tonight.
~Yukari

[FireKari]

VOTE: Klingoncelt
Either klingon is scum, or scum pulled a no-kill gambit.

[FireKari]

What the fudge was up with the hasty lynch?
Me and RR had formed the conclusion pistachi0n wasn't scum. And the BRantz thing is dubious but is a matter for post game discussion.
Where's the other scum kill?
If Klingoncelt vigged we should have two kills, and Ranger roleblocked pistachi0n.

Suzune didn't use either of her 2 abilities... maybe she's Scum?

How you know this?

[FireKari]

Fire it was announced it last page

You said you didn't use ascetic.
~Yukari

[FireKari]

Klingon, Suzune, Ranger, and Elbirn. Could you please give a full reads list with thoughts on everyone other than RR and wgeurts? The more detailed the better, some effort would be appreciated.

Lets take our time and solve this game together please.

@Wgeurts and RR
We are curious of your thoughts as well, so would you please compile your thoughts on everyone, but wait until the others have posted before giving your full report to avoid contaminating the reads of those who are not confirmed town?
~Yukari

[FireKari]

Actually, how about everyone compiles their thoughts seperately, states when they are ready to share, and then we all share our reports simultaneously?

Wat do you guys think?
~Yukari

[FireKari]

Honestly, we won't name names specifically but we expected more from certain people. This could be a chance for redemption. We would like to see more effort from everyone, even if just for this short burst. If we all pitch in the effort to really re-analyze the game, keep our thoughts to ourselves until the moment of truth simultaneous share to avoid bias rubbing off on each other and to prevent remaining scum from being able to choose to go with the flow or whatever, perhaps there is a good chance we can solve this game before the day phase ends.

Can still interrogate each other/ask questions about things you find during thread analysis if you see possible opportunity for benefit, not trying to say we should all just shut up completely until the sharing time. However we do see multiple possible benefits to everyone mostly keeping their thoughts seperate for a while and letting each player come to their own conclusions individually.

Best case scenario, we solve the game here and now. In the least, we don't see how trying this plan could hurt anything.

Also, correct us if wrong, but assuming 2 kills per day/night cycle and 1 scum remaining, it looks like we have 2 chances left to lynch scum. We really want to win our last game, so we think it would be best to try and make the most of this time we have left and rly put our best efforts into solving things.

7-2=5
5-2=3


UNVOTE: Klingoncelt
For now.

~Yukari

[FireKari]

I'm rereading the entire game, suggest you lot do so as well

Same, plus ISOs.
~Yukari

[FireKari]

Will likely take us most of 2 days to read through everything.

If I were to contribute right at this moment, I would be doing so with a mark then vote on FireKari, while advocating a lynch on Klingoncelt.

I do think it best to reread before anything final, and I will not vote/mark a player without the approval of wgeurts and/or Reasonable Rational.

Probably for the best to not use the mark on your own. It was a complete waste using it on someone who was doomed to be lynched or vigged. Also, among other things, the no NK scenario from your flawed trap would have been much more informative if you had not yet revealed your ability, not until after getting some utility from it. The trap could have been much more effective if scum did not see it coming.

~Yukari

[FireKari]

VOTECOUNT 1.04
LicketyQuickety (4): Suzune, Jeanne11, Ranger, Firekari
Titus (3): Blackest Magick, wgeurts, Bright
Elbirn (3): pistachi0n, BRantz, Titus

This may be a vague indicator Elbirn could be scum. Why did LQ vote Titus rather than the larger (all-town) Elbirn wagon?

VOTECOUNT 1.10
LicketyQuickety (3): Ranger, Titus, Suzune

Suzune left then came back; this would be an indicator to me of Suzune being town. FireKari left.

VOTECOUNT 1.11
LicketyQuickety (5): Ranger, Titus, Suzune, Jeanne11, Firekari

...And came back...

VOTECOUNT 1.12
LicketyQuickety (5): Ranger, Titus, Suzune, Jeanne11, Elbirn

...And left again.

VOTECOUNT 1.17
LicketyQuickety (7): Ranger, Suzune, Jeanne11, Elbirn, Firekari, Titus, pistachi0n

This was the point where LQ's power was confirmed. (I'm also making a mental note to check FireKari's reaction to LQ's claim. FireKari's reaction to seeing LQ claim to be a bulletproof double-voter should, if town, have been to call BS when they themselves are a double-voter.)

VOTECOUNT 1.18
LicketyQuickety (6): Ranger, Suzune, Firekari, Titus, pistachi0n, Jeanne11

...And Elbirn hopped off. (Of note, though: Bright was positioned on Elbirn for seven votecounts.)

On the Blackest Magic end of things, Elbirn voted them for the first nine, briefly moved to Titus on the tenth votecount, unvoted, and from there, was basically always on LQ.

VOTECOUNT 2.02
Blackest Magick (5): BRantz, Ranger, Elbirn, wgeurts, FireKari

If Elbirn or FireKari are scum, then this is unusual, since it'd be a double-bus from them.

VOTECOUNT 2.03
Blackest Magick (4): Ranger, Elbirn, Jeanne11, Suzune

However, FireKari

does

unvote, moving to Reasonably Rational.

This has given me a few things I wish to focus my investigation on, but it's not anything conclusive yet.

Guess you didn't like the idea of waiting for a simultaneous read share..

Also, we never unvoted LQ. We used our vote to help sort other players but we had LQ pegged as scum from early on, never read lq as anything other than scum, and ended up on his lynch.
~Yukari

[FireKari]

Open 610 dead PT.

Night, bedtime.
~Yukari

[FireKari]

Spoiler:

[FireKari]

That was scary.. Couldn't type anything and kept getting the popup shown above.. Thankfully, think we managed to fix it by switching the default keyboard from lg to android. Hopefully this 1 doesn't duck up also. This phone is only way we have to access the internet and it is looking like it needs to be reformatted or something. =\

[FireKari]

The fire part of the kari is here.
TO lay down some raps for you!

No...not really.

How you all doing though?
I don't post in this enough

[FireKari]

Don't mind being marked. It would make us the most likely NK, which is fine. If scum were to try a no-nk we would point out more specifically where we already gave the hint to confirming us obvtown. We find it funny ppl think we bussed both LQ & BM. We like to throw our vote around a lot D1 to add a lil pressure when scumhunting, is pretty typical Yukari play. We have a relaxed style for early game, with most of the effort being put in the background, then try to make up for that by getting more seriously involved later on.

We had LQ pegged as scum from very early and never once relented with our scumread there, but that doesn't mean we should votepark and not try to sort the other players. Would have also been on the BM(who we were also scumreading) lynch as well, but we were on vacation at the time and were behind in the thread. We shifted our vote to RR (before seeing the mason claim)based on our suspicion of him and then the next time we returned to thread BM had already been speedlynched.

Also, we are still going over the thread again, but have our reads mostly typed up, so when ever you guys are rdy, pls say so in thread and we can work on arranging a time when we can all share reports simultaneously.

Pretty much any time is good for us as long as we know when in advance, so will leave scheduling up to suzune, klingon, ranger, and elbirn. Should be ok if RR and wgeurts post any time afterwards so figure out whenever you 4 can all be online pls and ty.

[FireKari]

I dont think your scum, I really think that Klingoncelt is the final scum.

I'm not.

And I don't think FireKari will be tonight's kill. If they're Scum there won't be a kill, if they're Town it would make more sense for Scum to kill Ranger or one of the Masons.

Right now we are a ? mark, if scum were to kill anyone but us it would confirm us as town, so why would scum kill ranger or mason over us?

[FireKari]

Anyway, no reads list, I think Scum has to be between FireKari and Elbirn. Suzune as a way outside shot.

Ranger has 75 posts, but Firekari, Elbirn, and Suzune all have over 100 posts, and you can't find anything to say to put in a reads list? If you are going to say scum is between us and Elbirn it would be nice if you could gather your thoughts to give us some idea as to why you think that.

Or do you plan to just opt out of the simultaneous share?

[FireKari]

Anyway, no reads list, I think Scum has to be between FireKari and Elbirn. Suzune as a way outside shot.

Ranger has 75 posts, but Firekari, Elbirn, and Suzune all have over 100 posts, and you can't find anything to say to put in a reads list? If you are going to say scum is between us and Elbirn it would be nice if you could gather your thoughts to give us some idea as to why you think that.

Or do you plan to just opt out of the simultaneous share?

I don't post a lot, and I very rarely make long posts.

It doesn't have to be super long..

[FireKari]

Whatev, guess it doesn't really matter anymore, though we still want to hear everyones thoughts, post at will.

Current reads in order from most to least scummy:

Spoiler: Klingoncelt

Yep, it's there. Thrice.

Then state what AUA is.

Allied Unification Army

Did not like the way this had to be coaxed out of her. She eventually got it correct, though varsoon gave the answer on page 1.

What the fudge was up with the hasty lynch?
Me and RR had formed the conclusion pistachi0n wasn't scum. And the BRantz thing is dubious but is a matter for post game discussion.
Where's the other scum kill?
If Klingoncelt vigged we should have two kills, and Ranger roleblocked pistachi0n.

Suzune didn't use either of her 2 abilities... maybe she's Scum?

Kling had no way of knowing this at the time.

I think you're very clever.

But I think you're too nice and honest to lie for very long. You just aren't the scheming dishonest type.

And we find it strange that this would be the followup post. She goes from saying Suzune is maybe scum to saying suzune is very clever, nice, too honest to lie for long. Feels like trying to deflect suspicion followed by buddying.

Additionally she was not on the LQ or BM lynch. She made no strong pushes on anyone, and barely mentions either BM or LQ.

@Klingon, yup. Suzune Elbrin and Jeanne aren't conf anything solely because we had a communication method. They're town due to actions.

So LQ BM RR or Brantz, name your scumreads please.

What about Wgeurts? Did I miss something? I have him at lean Scum vs Ranger at lean Scum.

LQ, lean Scum, the others lean Town.

If we lynch LQ and he flips Scum that's great, but I'd like a lynch that gives us information. Although lynching LQ regardless of flip should quiet Jeanne down... that would be a plus.

Scum lean on LQ but without any reason as to why, and townreads BM. The only time she directly mentions BM is here:

Blackest Magick (Xtoxm & Pokerface) - 5 posts, 1's RVS, 1's fluff. I can see this sort of thing from Pokerface, but where is Xtoxm?

Also, the results of the NK last night make us suspicious of Klingoncelt. It was a bad time for scum to choose to no-kill because it gave town an extra lynch. So klingon-scum feels more likely than the no-NK scenario. Plus POE.
Overall scumlean.

Spoiler: Suzune

Not much to say here, nothing from her play jumps out at us as being scum motivated. The only thing which causes us paranoia is the lack of town utility for her ascetic. Other than that her posts make sense, we feel like she has been putting in effort to solve the game, and she was on both scum lynches.
Town lean.

Spoiler: Ranger

Overall despite her poor use of ability and shift of her read of us, we think Ranger is town based on interactions with BM & LQ. Could possibly be scum bussing scum, based on early pegging of scum, confidence level, and that bit of flavor we pointed out earlier causing some paranoia. If it was a bus, it was done very well, but we find that scenario unlikely. We find on her read on us strange, going from:

pistachi seems scummy to me.

I got the opposite impression: pistachi0n seems to be the only town player on your wagon.

Between that (LQ), and the Titus wagon, we probably have the entire scumteam.

{FireKari, Elbirn, Jeanne, Titus, Suzune} are

very

strongly town.
{Klingoncelt, pistachi0n} are weaker town.
BRantz stands at null.
{LicketyQuickety, Blackest Magic, wgeurts, Reasonably Rational} are all scumreads.

You do realise LQ could be town?
That so could I?
That you 4 aren't conf-town?

All true.

At least two of the three are incredibly likely to be true, though. I seriously like a {Titus, Jeanne, Elbirn, Suzune} townbloc. I personally added in FireKari because I hold a

hard

townread on them. I hate the attempts to break the townbloc up, and I think they are driven by scum's fear that they can't break it.

I'm convinced LQ is scum. I do owe explanation for this, but none of his posting is good. He lacks actual scumhunting; he's just throwing random accusations out there that he doesn't even believe in.

The only one I really see any reason to doubt is my read on you. You could just be bad town not realizing how horrendously wrong you are, I will admit that, but you're not off my radar.

lol at that last past you claim that your reads have been static all game

I did no such thing.

Specific reads of mine have remained consistently strong. My townbloc of {Jeanne, Elbirn, Suzune, FireKari, Titus} has never wavered. All my other reads have changed: I went from not having reads on pistachi0n and Klingoncelt to having increasingly-strong townreads on them. You and Reasonably Rational have had the strength of my read change throughout the entire game. BRantz has shifted from scum to null and is currently back in scum. BlackestMagic was originally only weakly scum, and now is solidly scum. And LicketyQuickety briefly made me doubt the read, but when that was proven to be just a show, the read strengthened again.

Not static. Just subtle.

Ranger while articulate doesn't seem to be convincing anyone of anything right now. RR seems the most reasonable by far.

If you can't see the "convenience" behind this stance, I don't know what to tell you.

Jeanne is Jeanne and not much will change from them, but I think they are town for reasons Rager has said. It doesn't make sense that Jeanne would be so strong against me as Scum. Wgeurts is weird. I don't know why they are defending me so strongly. IDK could just be because of going against popular opinion, not sure. As far as I'm concerned, Titus has done nothing actually helpful this game by using their ability that, lets face it, lead to a wild goose chase and lots and lots of Wifom. I have no idea why Town!Titus would do something with such little thought put behind it. Brants made an entrance and didn't really do anything. Kling has more of barely anything

These stances all seem to be following popular opinion as well.

Notably, Blackest Magic is absent. Additionally, at L-1, he does not claim.

And then shifting to the current push on us. The case presented is pretty weaksauce.

Overall though it feels like she has been putting in effort and trying to solve the game, and she was on both scum lynches, so townlean on ranger. Oh and we also feel she is being honest about her power, which was confirmed, so that's a plus.

@Ranger
Why such a strong town read of us before? And why the shift?

Spoiler: Elbirn

PokerFace here, I never played suikoden so I will be wiki-ing flavor stuff as needed

@Elbirn,

who are your scum buddies?

You, lickety, and uhm..whoever that guy was who voted me in page 3. Not brantz, the other one.

This is the only post that causes paranoia, because of the confidence of pegging 2 scum so early. Other than that, everything else reads as null or town. He was on both scum lynches and it doesn't look like a bus to us. Plus his ability was confirmed, and feels town to us.

Suzune, Ranger and Elbirn are pretty close though, so if klingon were to flip scum we will be a bit lost as to how to proceed.

[FireKari]

If klingon were to flip town*

[FireKari]

killed the same target she did for the same reason

Highly unlikely considering the last post of day 3:

I'll Vig Pistachion.

VOTE: Brantz

[FireKari]

[FireKari]

?

-Cerb

Cognitive dissonance causeing major brain pain..
Klingoncelt's lack of attention to the game setting off wifom bombs...
Too much facepalm.

Need to take a break. Maybe turkey day will help.

[FireKari]

~Yukari

Hope you all have a happy turkey day.

[FireKari]

Spoiler:

[FireKari]

@Wgeurts
If klingon were to flip town, who would your next guess be as to who is scum?

It is looking like kling will be likely be lynched today, but we still have a week left in the day phase. Might as well take a little time for everyone to get their thoughts out there. Might could come in handy later if we do lynch the wrong person.

Out of every1 alive, we think kling is the most likely to be scum, but we could possibly be wrong.
~Yukari

[FireKari]

I think me and my hydra teammate are pretty much in agreement that Kling needs to get lynched here.

-Fire

[FireKari]

FireKari I believe is rather townie. They seem to actively scum hunt and weigh possibilities. Otherwise, there is not much of worry here town~

Amazingly firebringer has been sucking wind this game.

-Fire

[FireKari]

Ill talk to my head about voting, cause I really want to put Kling at L-1 and then someone hammers.

-Fire

[FireKari]

@Varsoon: Votecount pls? Ty. =)

Kari, can you double vote us, have a vote count happen, and then unvote us? Thanks.

-Cerb

VOTE: Reasonably Rational
VOTE: Reasonably Rational

Also, noticed you masons mention working on some plan or whatev. Not asking for any info on it other than whenever you are good for the day. Will wait for your thumbs up before voting klingoncelt.

And yea, we will unvote you after the next VC.
~Yukari

[FireKari]

@Everyone:

We would like to know how familiar everyone is with the flavor.

Also, if any of you have any final thoughts to add before the day's end, feel free to share. If you are working on anything or want to stall klingoncelt's lynch for whatever reason, then speak up or hold your peace. Unless someone wants to wait, we will be voting Klingoncelt as soon as we get the mason thumbs up.

Since if we do misslynch, someone is likely to be NKed tonight, we think it a good idea for everyone to share not just who you believe most likely to be scum, but also the second most likely to be scum. Pls share both who and why, ty.

@Klingoncelt:

If you do flip town then we apologize for getting this wrong. We have defended you as misslynch bait before(in other gamez.) Thanks to both knowing that you can tend to be early misslynchbait, and our partner's D1 townlean(though fire's read began shifting between null and mild scumlean by D2) read of you in our PT, we never really acted much on our suspicion of you. Despite having a mild scum to null read on you ever since early D1, we mostly cast our suspicion aside thinking if you are scum we would save your lynch for last, and wanting to believe you are town and that your play would improve as the game progressed, but it didn't seem to work out that way.

If you really are town, then please give this game some love and try to change our mind. Even if you can't prevent your lynch, better to go down in a way that helps to inform town for the next try, than to just give up and be snuffed out. From our perspective the most damning part of the case against you would be overall PoE, that and the fact that you are the only living player other than RR not on either of the scum lynches:

Spoiler: Scumkill VCs

"Shazam."

-Viki,

Suikoden I

VOTECOUNT 1.20 : LYNCH

LicketyQuickety (

LYNCH

):

Ranger, Suzune, Firekari, pistachi0n, Jeanne11, Titus, Elbirn, wgeurts

Titus (2):

Klingoncelt, LicketyQuickety

Ranger (1):

Blackest Magick

Bright (1):

Reasonably Rational

Blackest Magick (1):

BRantz

wgeurts (1):

Bright

Not Voting (0):

With 14 Alive, it takes 8 to Lynch.
Deadline was

: (expired on 2015-11-11 18:55:00)

I was watching Ant-Man with my flatmate. Easily my favorite Marvel flick.
I'm on a pretty tight schedule today--gotta check out a car and deal with a lot of social obligations.
Flip and Flavor coming as soon as possible. Love you folks.

"Enjoy the moments you have together, because nothing lasts forever."

-Jowy,

Suikoden II

VOTECOUNT 2.04 : LYNCH

Blackest Magick (

LYNCH

):

Ranger, Elbirn, Jeanne11, Suzune, BRantz, wgeurts

Reasonably Rational (1):

FireKari

Ranger (1):

pistachi0n

Not Voting (3):

Blackest Magick, Klingoncelt, Reasonably Rational

With 11 Alive, it took 6 to Lynch.
Deadline was

: (expired on 2015-11-23 21:40:00)

Some mods sleep.

Speaking of RR... Honestly, if it weren't for the Mason claim & Pistachi0n, all other things considered we would be voting RR over Klingon right now. But we find it very hard to disbelieve the mason claim. Our nearly unrelenting paranoia whispers into our ears that RR/wgeurts are both scum. However after way too much thought, we find this highly unlikely for various reasons including number of scum in this (1 scum feels more likely than 2) game, and the claim itself: Mason just seems too risky for a fakeclaim. Plus Pistachi0n claimed a cop result of town on RR and has post-mortem been confirmed as town with cop power. Given all of this, and the fact that this is not a bastard game, we feel it best to not go into the full reasoning behind our suspicion of RR. Suffice to say our suspicion/paranoia was deep enough that despite the other evidence of RR town, we rly needed the pistachi0n flip to remove RR from lynch before endofgame status. Though copping the last scum would have been more useful, thank you very much Pistachi0n for picking RR as your cop target and confirming both masons.

So thoughts on RR out of the way, if klingoncelt were to flip town, we suppose Suzune would barely be next on the chopping block. We are overall townreading her but the major part of what puts her slightly ahead of the others is the lack of town utility for ascetic. Which to us seems to mean either the remaining scum must possess an ability capable of being nullified via ascetic, or Suzune has to be scum.

@RR:

Wguerts and us (RR) may or may not know of another confirmed town.

We would like for you to to elaborate on this first thing day 5 please, whether we are alive still or not.

[FireKari]

Actually they're trying to convince me we shouldn't lynch Klingoncelt now but later as the core of their plan. But yeah, give us more time.

Noted, though it will take some convincing to get us voting for Suzune over klingoncelt. A bit moreso for any other lynch target.
~Yukari

[FireKari]

We (the masonry) have a 1-shot commute that makes us all immune to every action for a night. The downside being that we then loose our private topic the next day + night.

Why share this now instead of after being used in the night phase?
Rhetorical question btw, no need to elaborate more on this topic..
~Yukari

[FireKari]

Shall I claim it's flavour to back it up?

Rhetorical question btw, no need to elaborate more on this topic..
~Yukari

[FireKari]

Do you guys think it more likely that scum would bus both scumbuddies, ending up being on both lynches?

Or do you think it more likely that scum would soft-claim/finger-point that 1 scumbuddy is scum while almost completely avoiding the other scumbuddy, pushing neither, and taking part in neither lynch?

Let's go ahead and take a good look at all of Klingoncelt's interactions with the confirmed scum players:

Note:

Quotes have been edited by removing some irrelevant bits and bolding names to make things easier on the eyes:

Spoiler: Every Kling to BM interaction:

Hi.

Elbrin or

BM

, who is scummier and why?

Between the two, I'd say Elbirn. His play reminds me of Devil Elbirn from Midnight Sun.

Here ya go Titus:

Blackest Magick

(Xtoxm & Pokerface) - 5 posts, 1's RVS, 1's fluff. I can see this sort of thing from Pokerface, but where is Xtoxm?

@Klingon, yup. Suzune Elbrin and Jeanne aren't conf anything solely because we had a communication method. They're town due to actions.

So LQ

BM

RR or Brantz, name your scumreads please.

What about Wgeurts? Did I miss something? I have him at lean Scum vs Ranger at lean Scum.

LQ, lean Scum, the others lean Town.

If we lynch LQ and he flips Scum that's great, but I'd like a lynch that gives us information. Although lynching LQ regardless of flip should quiet Jeanne down... that would be a plus.

VOTE: Blackest Magick

L-1 again.

Happy Birthday!

Spoiler: Every Kling to LQ interaction:

So, Titus is tunneling and

Lickety

's rolefishing.

Nothing new there.

Whaddya peeps think about

lq

's thought process here?

I found it interesting that he says I'm off, then says I'm not like our other previous game WHERE I WAS SCUM, then says I could be scum.

On the surface it looks kind of inconsistent, but I can see a confused town lq going "wtf is he doing" "well he's not acting like the other scumgame.." and finally "nah fuck it I don't like him he's scum".

I'm having trouble with this game, it's weird. I know most of the players, but it's like they're from some alternate reality, like they're dopplegangers, or they've been possessed or something. The meta is completely off.

Maybe that's

LQ

's problem, I dunno. I'm used to him being more confident and assertive.

Here ya go Titus:

LQ

- Weirdly paranoid. Where's the self-confidence?

Titus - Possibly outs an Oracle and a Sensor, then gets on

LQ

for rolefishing. Really bad. Then there's the fruit code thing with Elbirn. Are they masons? Neighbors? Lovers? Scum?

I don't see Klingon scumhunting.

It's Day 1. I'm trying to sort things out. This game is like falling down a rabbit hole, it's so nuts. As soon as I think I've got someone sorted, somebody else comes in and changes everything.

For now, I'm trying to figure out who's Scum between Wgeurts and Ranger, and between Jeanne and

LQ

. Also I keep forgetting that Brantz and Pistachion are in the game until I see their names in my notes.

I still think the threadlock vote thing was scummy.


That's pretty much all I have right now.

Deal.

One thing - I want everyone's reads on Brantz and Pistachion.

@Klingon, yup. Suzune Elbrin and Jeanne aren't conf anything solely because we had a communication method. They're town due to actions.

So

LQ

BM RR or Brantz, name your scumreads please.

What about Wgeurts? Did I miss something? I have him at lean Scum vs Ranger at lean Scum.

LQ

, lean Scum, the others lean Town.

If we lynch

LQ

and he flips Scum that's great, but I'd like a lynch that gives us information. Although lynching

LQ

regardless of flip should quiet Jeanne down... that would be a plus.

Forgot Wgeurts.

How many lean towns do you have?

Not a lot.

I have some either/or:

If Wgeurtz is Scum, Ranger is Town,
if

LQ

is Scum, Jeanne is Town

If you're all scumreading him, then vote him. You're pretty much stalling here and cross-accusing one another. There are 6 days till deadline. If this continues, we'll end up with no lynch, something that's bad for town.

It's pretty clear that

LQ

will be the lynch.

I prefer to stretch the Day out a bit and sort everyone else out.

Oh, aren't you the lucky ones, you're all about to get one of my once-in-a-blue-moon wallposts.

post 1149: "...I'm trying to figure out who's Scum between Wgeurts and Ranger, and between Jeanne and

LQ

. Also I keep forgetting that Brantz and Pistachion are in the game until I see their names in my notes."

I still haven't sorted out the Wgeurts/Ranger alignments.

It's pretty clear that Jeanne is Town. I can't imagine her and

LQ

busing each other with that much intensity. But just because someone is Town, that doesn't mean they're a scumhunting god. Jeanne, you've got to put the paranoia away and start working with us.

Spoiler: Every BM to Kling interaction:

None! Zero, Zilch, Nada, NO BM to Kling interactions..

Although, BM was lurky-scum having only 19 posts in their ISO, so instead of looking at BM to Kling interactions, let's take a look at all of the reads BM did provide:

I don't think Elbirn has big enough testicles to pull that gambit as scum. Sorry man.

Titus might be scum, let's wagon her.

Blackest Magick: this game has more than enough content for people to have opinions on. Share yours.
-Cerb

titus/fire/ranger/suzune/brantz

Tell me if that's a list of town reads or scum reads.

not sure if srs

Titus - Don't like the gambit, just looks like an attempt to earn some townreads. Also looks like an ability that would be given to scum and intended to use anonymously. Hasn't looked town overall. Early on, didn't like her accusing LQ of rolefishing, or saying that my RVS was the worst she's ever seen.

Fire - maybe scum, content:fluff ratio seems high and they've joined the primary wagons and not much else.

Ranger - Really didn't like his post saying i'm confirmed scum. Especially on D1. People who do that to me are usually scum. Would love to wagon this.

Suzune - She's being highly active without being major influence on the game. Not picking up town tells. Gut, mostly.

Brantz - He will remain in my lynch pool unless he does something townie.

VOTE: Ranger

i was wrong about lq/titus.

i still feel like ranger is scum.

is there something specific you want me to comment on

So to summarize:
Town read on: Elbirn.
Scum read on:

Titus

, Firekari, Ranger, Suzune, and

Brantz

.
Which leaves out:

LQ

,

Jeanne11

,

Pistachi0n

,

RR

,

Wgeurts

, and

Klingoncelt

.

Next, removing the alignment-confirmed players from the list of people absent from BM's reads would leave only:

Klingoncelt

.


We do see some interactions from BM with LQ, Jeanne, and RR. However we do not consider these reads, merely interactions. Specifically there are 3 interactions with LQ, 1 with Jeanne, and a few replies to RR:

So why is

LQ

being wagoned

Titus - Don't like the gambit, just looks like an attempt to earn some townreads. Also looks like an ability that would be given to scum and intended to use anonymously. Hasn't looked town overall. Early on, didn't like her accusing

LQ

of rolefishing, or saying that my RVS was the worst she's ever seen.

i was wrong about

lq

/titus.

@Jeanne,

who do you think is town? Would you say you trust those people?

In a previous Varsoon game, a player had the ability to target everyone currently voting for him, with the effect of

blocking all of their abilities even NK for the rest of the day and 1 night.

Wasn't his only ability.

He was town aligned.

~Yukari

Now that is a valid reason to be wary.

-Cerb

Wary? That's a valid reason to vote Elbrin.

And if you voted that player in that game you would have gotten blocked. It was reason to be wary since varsoon could be using that role again in this game

The game mod is obviously not voting in the game, ergo he had that account activated and gave it to the appropriate player to use.

I'm trying to decide if you actually could possibly believe that a game mod would be voting in his game, or if you were trying to accomplish something with that post.

It's a mod mechanic that will probably sort itself out soon enough. Not something we should be considering lynching.

Blackest Magick: this game has more than enough content for people to have opinions on. Share yours.
-Cerb

titus/fire/ranger/suzune/brantz

To that end, I had to place my vote on it to determine whether or not it was something we could vote for.

Fair enough.

Tell me if that's a list of town reads or scum reads.

not sure if srs

Another thing which stands out in the BM ISO is a bit of what appears to be fishing, for which we give both Elbirn and Ranger a lil towncred for:

@Ranger, is the marking stuff bad? If its good then I'm fine with you keeping it to yourself for now

Take care of yourself drixx, hope things get better for you

Can anyone give me an idea what writing on the wall is about?

@Ranger,

so marking is bad for the marked. What made you think wguerts was scum that early in the game? Why didn't you vote them for that?

Spoiler: Every LQ to Kling interaction:

Apples Figs Kiwi boooo

What's with the fruit choices?

They make as much sense as the hat/egg thing.

err... I'm not on bored with eating hats.

What do you think of me? I want to know if you like me? :-p

Titus, how could anyone not like you?

Hi.

Elbrin or BM, who is scummier and why?

Between the two, I'd say Elbirn. His play reminds me of Devil Elbirn from Midnight Sun.

Really? Cuz I don't think it "looks" anything like it. I still think its messed up and is going to take me a while to figure out what the heck he is doing.

RRRRRrrrrrrrrrrrr....

Graaaah! Gwarrrrr! KYreeeeeh! Kyrrrr!!

Who the hell is this?

That is a really good question.

Here ya go Titus:

Blackest Magick (Xtoxm & Pokerface) - 5 posts, 1's RVS, 1's fluff. I can see this sort of thing from Pokerface, but where is Xtoxm?

Brantz - 3 posts, only 1 with any (minimal) level of content.

Bright - WTF???

Elbirn - Is Titus right about him being a wagon sensor? (post 413) What is his connection with Titus? Why isn't he scumreading Jeanne?

FireKari - (post 162) - Are they claiming Oracle? What is AUA? Where's FireBringer?

Jeanne11 - Wants players to prove that they aren't Scum? How the hell is that supposed to happen?

LQ - Weirdly paranoid. Where's the self-confidence?

Pistachi0n - 3 posts, not exactly fluff, but still... it looks like he's trying to make it look like he cares.

Ranger - That "marked" thing bugs me, what is it? And Ranger claims that Wgeurts confirmed it?

Reasonably Rational - Holy cats, the hydra really is reasonably rational! They're the only sane player so far. The posts have content and make sense... Lean Town

Suzune - Seems to be as lost as I am.

Titus - Possibly outs an Oracle and a Sensor, then gets on LQ for rolefishing. Really bad. Then there's the fruit code thing with Elbirn. Are they masons? Neighbors? Lovers? Scum?

Wgeurts - Supposedly confirmed Ranger's "mark" by asking about it, even though Titus and I asked about it too... Otherwise nothing at all... Lean Scum.

I lean Town on

Kling

for this post cuz its the first time I have ever seen them make a reads list and all I've seen of them is Scum.

I went through Klings ISO and saw some Scum hunting. That's an ok sign I guess. I nailed

Kling

last game we were both in for not doing that and they were Scum who didn't get lynched fwiw.

Where?

IDK.. go through her ISO as see if you see her asking any questions and stuff.

Brants made an entrance and didn't really do anything.

Kling

has more of barely anything

Summary:
Post #284 feels off to us, considering that LQ would have known his own ability.

Posts #832, #1098, #1104, and #1296 stand out as suspicious to us, with #1098 & #1296 seeming contradictory.
LQ town reads kling because she made a wall post.
LQ goes claims to through Kling's ISO and find scum-hunting.
Titus asks LQ where the scum-hunting is.
LQ responds by saying he doesn't know, and telling Titus to, "go through her ISO as see if you see her asking any questions and stuff."
Then in #1296 it looks like LQ is saying that Kling hasn't done much of anything..

Does anyone not find these interactions & lack of interactions strange/suspicious?

~Yukari

[FireKari]

We find these interactions interesting:

Spoiler: Every BM to LQ interaction

So why is

LQ

being wagoned

Titus - Don't like the gambit, just looks like an attempt to earn some townreads. Also looks like an ability that would be given to scum and intended to use anonymously. Hasn't looked town overall. Early on, didn't like her accusing

LQ

of rolefishing, or saying that my RVS was the worst she's ever seen.

i was wrong about

lq

/titus.

In the 3rd and final quote, BM admits to being wrong about LQ, despite those being the only times LQ appears in the BM ISO, and BM never rly giving an LQ read. They only ask why LQ is being wagoned, and state dislike for Titus' accusation of LQ rolefishing. Nothing else.. So what was BM supposed to be wrong about? Lulz..


It feels a bit similar to the Kling to BM interactions, where Klingon avoids BM discussion, yet somehow manages to place a townread on BM without even using their name, much less any reasoning behind the supposed townlean:

Spoiler: Every Kling to BM interaction:

Hi.

Elbrin or

BM

, who is scummier and why?

Between the two, I'd say Elbirn. His play reminds me of Devil Elbirn from Midnight Sun.

Asked about Elbirn vs BM, Klingon focuses on Elbirn while avoiding BM.

Here ya go Titus:

Blackest Magick

(Xtoxm & Pokerface) - 5 posts, 1's RVS, 1's fluff. I can see this sort of thing from Pokerface, but where is Xtoxm?

Kinda fluffy.

@Klingon, yup. Suzune Elbrin and Jeanne aren't conf anything solely because we had a communication method. They're town due to actions.

So LQ

BM

RR or Brantz, name your scumreads please.

What about Wgeurts? Did I miss something? I have him at lean Scum vs Ranger at lean Scum.

LQ, lean Scum, the others lean Town.

If we lynch LQ and he flips Scum that's great, but I'd like a lynch that gives us information. Although lynching LQ regardless of flip should quiet Jeanne down... that would be a plus.

Titus asks about LQ, BM, RR, and Brantz. Klingon again avoids discussion of BM, yet manages to throw a townlean BM's way by reason-less finger-pointing at LQ and calling the rest town..

VOTE: Blackest Magick

L-1 again.

Happy Birthday!

Fluff.

VOTE: Blackest Magicka
Lolhammer 2

You could have given him a chance to claim.

Somehow this got removed from our last "Every Klingoncelt to BM interaction" spoiler.

[FireKari]

Hmm, so for the sake of completion, looking at all the scum on scum interaction, we present the compilation of LQ to BM interactions:

Spoiler: Every LQ to BM Interaction:

LQ, your reads on BM and Elbrin....

Elb, is being really out of character and I can't say I like it.

BM, don't know, they're not on my radar at all.

Cuz I I know nothing about them and they haven't done anything to peak my intrest.

So titus, what's your favorite fruit/vegetable?

How bout something productive for a change.

Why are you voting BM?

Seriously Titus, I'm not understanding what Elb has on BM.

Cuz he's scum?

How do you know?

Why so interested in defending BM if he's "not on your radar"?

Why did you ask Elbrin "how did he know" BM is scum rather tan why did you think that?

I'm not defending anyone, I'm looking for info.

Titus, do you not think its weird at all that Elb is voting BM, when asked why they were voting them they didn't give reason.

So lets clarify something.

@Elb, is your vote on MB RVS still?

What do you think of me? I want to know if you like me? :-p

Titus, how could anyone not like you?

Hi.

Elbrin or BM, who is scummier and why?

Between the two, I'd say Elbirn. His play reminds me of Devil Elbirn from Midnight Sun.

Really? Cuz I don't think it "looks" anything like it. I still think its messed up and is going to take me a while to figure out what the heck he is doing.

So why is LQ being wagoned

Pretty much everyone has the same answer which is "LQ is giving me bad vibes".

That's really the extent of the case against me.

Jeanne, while I get your vote early, both of you are still arguing hypothethicals. You're letting scum coast and not providing solid reasons for your read. Let's take a chill pill and let Elbrin LQ BM and RR hang themselves by trying to lurk it out.

Elbirn, I can see as Scum here. BM IDK. RR is pretty Null to me.

I don't think Elbirn has big enough testicles to pull that gambit as scum. Sorry man.

Titus might be scum, let's wagon her.

BURN!

I just say that because I know it wont phase you Elb.

Also worth noting when analyzing LQ are the Bright votes. Here they are in the order they were placed: Suzune, Titus, Elbirn, then Wgeurts.

Aaand when LQ was lynched, BM was voting for Brantz.

Based on all the interaction info we have compiled within our last few posts, scum does not seem very likely to have seriously bussed in this game. It is possible that 1 out of 3 scum went for a real bus, but given everything we know, Klingoncelt seems the most likely scum candidate by far.

~Yukari

[FireKari]

UNVOTE: RR

On Day 2 Blackest Magick got hammered while I was not here. I logged in and found the the thread locked.

What does this have to do with anything? Are you attempting to imply you had some secret scum read of BM and would have been on the lynch if only you had not been away??

Spoiler: Every Kling to BM interaction:

Hi.

Elbrin or

BM

, who is scummier and why?

Between the two, I'd say Elbirn. His play reminds me of Devil Elbirn from Midnight Sun.

Asked about Elbirn vs BM, Klingon focuses on Elbirn while avoiding BM.

Here ya go Titus:

Blackest Magick

(Xtoxm & Pokerface) - 5 posts, 1's RVS, 1's fluff. I can see this sort of thing from Pokerface, but where is Xtoxm?

Kinda fluffy.

@Klingon, yup. Suzune Elbrin and Jeanne aren't conf anything solely because we had a communication method. They're town due to actions.

So LQ

BM

RR or Brantz, name your scumreads please.

What about Wgeurts? Did I miss something? I have him at lean Scum vs Ranger at lean Scum.

LQ, lean Scum, the others lean Town.

If we lynch LQ and he flips Scum that's great, but I'd like a lynch that gives us information. Although lynching LQ regardless of flip should quiet Jeanne down... that would be a plus.

Titus asks about LQ, BM, RR, and Brantz. Klingon again avoids discussion of BM, yet manages to throw a townlean BM's way by reason-less finger-pointing at LQ and calling the rest town..

VOTE: Blackest Magick

L-1 again.

Happy Birthday!

Fluff.

VOTE: Blackest Magicka
Lolhammer 2

You could have given him a chance to claim.

Somehow this got removed from our last "Every Klingoncelt to BM interaction" spoiler.

After looking through the above interaction compilation, can you see how shady what you just said looks?

~Yukari

[FireKari]

*twiddles thumbs*

Spoiler:

[FireKari]

What RR, Suzune, and Ranger are saying makes sense to us. We just re-read the Elbirn ISO and overall for right now, Elbirn shifts to less of a town read than Suzune and Ranger. We need some time to proc everything, take a closer look at interactions between Elbirn and the flipped scum, etc, so will work on that 2moro.

Klingon, Ranger, Suzune, Firekari, Elbirn: Everyone please refresh my memory on exactly what your abilities are and how they function.

-Cerb

Can double vote a player. Nothing more or less.

And I haven't done anything since day 1? Fuck off, I pegged both of the flipped scum on day 1, lynched them in succession, and then day 3 has been *waiting for you to tell us what to do.*

Honestly, we still find it a bit suspicious both how early you nailed scum, and the way you went about it:

PokerFace here, I never played suikoden so I will be wiki-ing flavor stuff as needed

@Elbirn,

who are your scum buddies?

You, lickety, and uhm..whoever that guy was who voted me in page 3. Not brantz, the other one.

It also looks like you were borderline defending LQ at times. Additionally, if klingon were to flip town then there was for sure scum-bussing happening this game, and PoE is a bish.

UNVOTE: RR

On Day 2 Blackest Magick got hammered while I was not here. I logged in and found the the thread locked.

What does this have to do with anything? Are you attempting to imply you had some secret scum read of BM and would have been on the lynch if only you had not been away??

Someone posted my voting record. You have a problem with me explaining myself?

We do not have a problem with you trying to explain yourself. We have a problem with the explanation you gave, for the reason we pointed out. Perhaps you could elaborate pls?

~Yukari

Heading to bed, will get back to trying to sort this thing after waking.

[FireKari]

1. So you're telling me that as scum my master plan is to out all of my buddies in rvs, shortly before bussing the fuck out of them

We are saying that if you are scum, you would know from the very beginning who is and isn't scum.

If you actually think I'd be that bad as scum then I am insulted.

Don't be. Is nothing personal, but like we said PoE is a bish, and we are trying to sort things. If kling were to flip scum, then who do you think bussed?

[FireKari]

Working on another interaction compilation post but they are a pain to do so taking a while..
Need to hurry though cause we only have like 3 days left in this day phase. Will try to get it posted sometime tonight.

*town, you mean?

At that point it's between suzune and ranger, suzune recently duped me as scum so idk if I'm so confident in my ability to read her. Ranger could be it, I need to evaluate her read development on lq and Blackest majick, the fact that she was first on both is interesting.

Tldr I need to reread

Yea meant town. Sorry not feeling well.
What about Suzune/Ranger makes you think they are bussing? Is it pure PoE, or something more?

~Yukari

[FireKari]

@Elbirn
Also a lil surprised you would choose Suzune/Ranger over us. Since despite our excuse of being on vacation at the time, Suzune and Ranger were on both lynches, while we were only on the LQ lynch.
~Yukari

[FireKari]

@Elbirn
What were your reasons for suspecting LQ and BM?

[FireKari]

WTF! We were almost done, as soon as we hit paste for what would have been the last time, chrome decides to crash and when we reload browser, the page with our post preview gives us crap saying no multipost... T_T And we had already started from scratch once.. Thankfully this time we have 3 out of the 4 interaction spoilers saved by hitting submit in our Hydra PT but still that last spoiler was the most annoying to compile and took like 2 hours to complete... T_T

Need to take a break.. maybe play some fallout or something....

*Cries*

[FireKari]

Sry fell asleep.. Need to finish this post first but after that we plan to hammer kling. Would also like to receive an answer from Elbirn.

[FireKari]

I would honestly agree with wgeurts more than RR right now. I would think Kling is more scum than Elbirn here.
But I also don't feel very confidant in that.

-Fire

[FireKari]

I think the way we look at things is very different. I see more suspects than mislynches, and that means there isn't enough room.

-Cerb

How many scum you think are left?
I am slightly confused on this.

-Fire

[FireKari]

Finally the report is finished! @_@

Will give you guys a lil time to look this over and for Elbirn to respond. If any1 has a reason for us to delay hammer beyond that, speak now cuz time is short.

Spoiler: BM to Elbirn Interactions

PokerFace here, I never played suikoden so I will be wiki-ing flavor stuff as needed

@Elbirn,

who are your scum buddies?

VOTE: Titus

We should lynch her before she goes all VCA on us.

Yeah so actually

This is a really good vote, and relies on

1. Removing a useless tool that can be manipulated by scum
2. Knowing that titus will utilise said tool regardless of alignment

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Titus

FTFY

Probably not planning to sign posts unless people get

really

salty about it. I'm interested to see if people can tell us apart. This is actually my first time hydrating so i'm quite excited.

Also, sorry to hear that Drixx, you're having a rough year.

I don't think Elbirn has big enough testicles to pull that gambit as scum. Sorry man.

Titus might be scum, let's wagon her.

@Elbirn,

what do you think of those that voted you during RVS when you called yourself scum? What do you think of those that did not vote you? For what reason did you wagon yourself?

I'm still trying to catch up. Gonna take break since I have read alot and come back to read more later today. You guys sure post a lot in a short time.

UNVOTE

until caught up

Spoiler: LQ to Elbirn Interactions

I can across something similar in another game I was in. A player said they needed 5 votes for something to trigger. I forgot a lot about it including what was triggered and even if it was true or not. IDK though, it seems a tad "out there" for there to be a role like that in this game. I want to believe Elb is just joking...

@Elb, you are claiming scum WHYYYYYYY?

So far I don't like Jeanne11

What don't you like so far?

At the time I was looking at there two posts they made. The first post was a derp on a youtube code which was addressed to Titus. The second post was asking Elb if he was being sarcastic which I suppose isn't that weird, but I mean its a little obvious and there was just something about it that didn't jive well with me. After that Jeanne11 does the whole team up with Titus, which seems like there is some trust between the two regardless of what Titus says about it.

Also, Weirdo Elb noted.

Hey, everyone, Titus said it herself, she gets angrier the more certain the probability of lynch is. Let's see if she's gonna start yelling if we lynch her scumbuddy Elbirn.

This is the worst fucking argument I've seen in this thread so far. But Jeanne11 can't be serious her. I still don't like it at all.

I'd really like it if Jeanne11 got some pressure on them, because these kinds of posts are shitty and I don't want to see Jeanne11 skate by with this kind of shit.

VOTE: Jeanne11

LQ, your reads on BM and Elbrin....

Elb, is being really out of character and I can't say I like it.

BM, don't know, they're not on my radar at all.

So titus, what's your favorite fruit/vegetable?

How bout something productive for a change.

Why are you voting BM?

Cuz he's scum?

How do you know?

LQ, your reads on BM and Elbrin....

Elb, is being really out of character and I can't say I like it.

BM, don't know, they're not on my radar at all.

Cuz I I know nothing about them and they haven't done anything to peak my intrest.

So titus, what's your favorite fruit/vegetable?

How bout something productive for a change.

Why are you voting BM?

Seriously Titus, I'm not understanding what Elb has on BM.

Cuz he's scum?

How do you know?

Why so interested in defending BM if he's "not on your radar"?

Why did you ask Elbrin "how did he know" BM is scum rather tan why did you think that?

I'm not defending anyone, I'm looking for info.

Titus, do you not think its weird at all that Elb is voting BM, when asked why they were voting them they didn't give reason.

So lets clarify something.

@Elb, is your vote on MB RVS still?

K, I don't like the way this thread is going. Stuff just isn't being discussed in depth. Town needs to get their act together.

Titus is playing very pro-town and that's my read on her.

You think I am protown? Why? I had a gibberish fest with Jeanne, been pushing Elbrin which no one agrees with me on and running into the same brick wall with BM. That's frustrating because I only have so much time before shit hits the fan as it does in role madness games.

Because you're playing gamesolvey. Damn, looks like gamesolvey is actually a word cuz it didn't get corrected, weird.

Apples Figs Kiwi boooo

Nah I like figs, apples and kiwi can burn in hell doe

I agree on apples, but figs belong with apples and kiwi is da bes.

What do you think of me? I want to know if you like me? :-p

Titus, how could anyone not like you?

Hi.

Elbrin or BM, who is scummier and why?

Between the two, I'd say Elbirn. His play reminds me of Devil Elbirn from Midnight Sun.

Really? Cuz I don't think it "looks" anything like it. I still think its messed up and is going to take me a while to figure out what the heck he is doing.

Jeanne, while I get your vote early, both of you are still arguing hypothethicals. You're letting scum coast and not providing solid reasons for your read. Let's take a chill pill and let Elbrin LQ BM and RR hang themselves by trying to lurk it out.

Elbirn, I can see as Scum here. BM IDK. RR is pretty Null to me.

@Elb, I am still feeling you out. I can't determine what exactly it means you claiming Scum at the beginning of the game. You don't strike me as the type to do crazy shit for reactions. That is why I have no idea in hell what to make of it really.

So far my gut says LQ is scum and that Elbirn is the possible partner.

K, so you're going off gut and making pre-flip associations.

Well, Elbirn is also going off gut and you're not pointing THAT out. I wonder why that is? Maybe because he is your partner and I am not?

So you think Elb and I share a win con?

I don't think Elbirn has big enough testicles to pull that gambit as scum. Sorry man.

Titus might be scum, let's wagon her.

BURN!

I just say that because I know it wont phase you Elb.

I read Jeanne11 as Scum still.

I also read Elb and Suzune as a mild scum read. Suzune looks opportunistic and Elb hasn't done anything in a while.

I can't tell if Titus is still working a gambit or if they are just delusional at this point.

RR looks to be null as well as most of the other lurkers.

Eight pages in one day, that seems like a lot.

Catch Up post~

Cuz he's scum?
How do you know?

Beat me to it. It was the first thing I thought when I was reading that right now...

All the fruit conversation looks like more the small talk to me. I have never seems casual small talk in a mafia game on mafiascum before. However, once a mafia partner and I had an elaborate code where everyone was food names although we never used it much. Honestly that is the first thing that I think about when I see this. I wonder if there is more going on, they both mentioned elderberries which seem like an odd choice to me.

SO yeah, Suzune, what are you afraid of seeing happen if we lynch elbirn as he has requested?

Well my gut feeling, although they are less common on mafia scum was jester. My second thought is one Lickey mentioned was that some power would unlock being close to death. This is based on a video game so I think the idea is not terribly far fetched.

This is a misrep of me unless you click on the post. it is actually comprised of 2 quotes: one where Elb says "because he's Scum?" and me responding "How do you know?"

I am really disappointed in you Suzune, like really. Why do this?

Why are people saying Elb is obvTown?

Wreugets, could you point me to like 3 or so posts by Elb that you like?

Elb plays a very conservative Scum game. How's he not doing this as the game has progressed?

This is a misrep of me unless you click on the post. it is actually comprised of 2 quotes: one where Elb says "because he's Scum?" and me responding "How do you know?"

I am really disappointed in you Suzune, like really. Why do this?

I did not misrepresent you, I only tagged on that I would have asked the same question. I said nothing negative or positive about you really just that I had the same though. All I did was post a thought paragraph afterwards on my opinion about something. Oh second part of it. Is that not what you said to me? That you played a game that someone gained a power after so many votes. If I misunderstood then I apologize, however, I thought that is what you said.

I didn't think you were intending to misrep me. The only qualm I had with it is that you put both our (Elbs and mine) quotes in the same quote and it kinda rubbed me the wrong way and I'm not sure why - I just didn't like it. It seems weird to do and weird things can be scummy. Your reaction is not comforting either. Like I just never expect you to mess up a quote like that and I am just assuming ulterior motives for doing so.

@Suzune, why have you not seen the Town points I have made? What made you satisfied with keeping a vote on us for so long since the beginning of the game? On the one hand I feel the vote on me is really oportunistic and on the other hand I feel you wouldn't be that obvious as Scum. Help me out here. Why are you nonchalantly voting me?

That makes me laugh for some reason the thought of someone nonchalantly voting. I am voting for you for a small pool of reasons. The first being that you usually shout town to me, I mean shout it on the top of your lungs, but this time I feel really odd about you and your playing style. That strikes a cord with me. In the early game, all your posts seemed to create ripples and expect more push from you more read from you, but this side of LQ I cannot get a handle on. Usually you are vocal, opinioned on reads, playing hard and fast. You seem out of your element. I have never seen you play as scum before, but you seen quite odd here.

You have been really adamant about I am town because I say I am town. This seems odd to me. I know I have made this arguement before in the past, however you are in no real danger so the fact that it keeps coming up interests me. It almost seems like if I say it enough they will believe it. I see no positive post from you that show your position or how you are reading people. The things you have posted are one liners about not liking their tone or not having a comment. You would also not defend yourself in post 332. Which strikes me as odd. I realise there might not have been enough pressure but I feel like not backing yourself is an odd strategy.

That is kind of a window into what I am thinking.

Long post----being divided here

Believe it or not, I do not play hard and fast every town game I play. Every once in a while I am more in the back seat rather than the driver. I have a lot of games going on right now. This one is not the one I am most interested in at this time, I'm sorry to say. In fact, if you look at all the games I am in right now you will see that I have kinda put on the breaks a bit. I'm going through a rugh patch right now. This is NOT just a ATE thing I am trying to pull. I don't want to go into the details, but lets just call it a heart problem right now. I've been under attack since my first post and I've tried to Scum hunt, I have, but I'm just having difficulty getting reads on people when 55% of the thread is about how I am Scum. I think Jeanne11 is my biggest Scum read right now for obvious reasons which should be well apparent.

LQ said some shit about me that I'm about to tear to shreds if you'll bear with me.

I don't mean to offend you and I really hope that's not what this is about. In all honesty I don't have any idea what it is about.

I am here and you are here, so lets talk.

So your argument now is only that you don't buy that? I knew that would be the only argument you could make.

@wgeurts I cannot till day 2. However, that won't happen, cos you two scumbuddies would make sure that doesn't happen in order to avoid any further suspicion on you two from me, Titus, Elbirn or Suzune

Right, how exactly would Elb and Suz fit into it and for what freaking reason?

Still looking for how Elb and Suz fit into this, and why they are even necessary for thing.

Jeanne, you have just said far too much. When LQ said there was no way you and I could have been neighbors, just stating Titus and Suzune would be able to vouch was sufficient.

LQ, you had significant proof in the post he quoted. The theme song is Mr. Rodgers Neighborhood talking about "be my neighbor", not subtle. Asking why someone might be weird about that sticks a huge sign asking "Hey are you actually neighbors?" Hence role fishing.

LQ, All votes cast over PM were real. I used the various messaging mechanics to make sure town knew what was going on. Hence why I can conclude you're most likely scum or scum in my townreads. The codes were to transfer things to Elbrin as he couldn't reply back. The hood can only have one person other than Jeanne at a time. To have all four of us discuss things necessitated the code.

What really bothers me is Jeanne is really loose lipped. She's essentially claimed all of the above and some other things I am not confirming or denying. Someone of them may have been done as tests. Given our daytalk power, scum almost certainly have daytalk as well. Yet, if that's the case, why would Jeanne have to spill all that? Further, she'd need a reason to do so.

Tldr, Jeanne is town but I am not trusting her with any secrets (including confirming or rejecting who got my first message) for obvious reasons.

FWIW I didn't even watch the Mr. Rogers thing, and I wasn't joking about being PR blind. Why ask Jeanne11 to put herself up to by lynched? Why make that decision? I didn't think Jeanne11 was being super Scum read by people at the time you said to its me or her. Why pick someone who you can keep in close communication with? And I know you're not going to want to answer this, but Why was Suzune involved? I still don't know why Elb was involved, but I'm really lost on Suzune.

OK, I'm caught up (I think). Doesn't look like much happened. People are still Scum reading me for no reason or poor reasons.

Ranger while articulate doesn't seem to be convincing anyone of anything right now. RR seems the most reasonable by far. Jeanne is Jeanne and not much will change from them, but I think they are town for reasons Rager has said. It doesn't make sense that Jeanne would be so strong against me as Scum. Wgeurts is weird. I don't know why they are defending me so strongly. IDK could just be because of going against popular opinion, not sure. As far as I'm concerned, Titus has done nothing actually helpful this game by using their ability that, lets face it, lead to a wild goose chase and lots and lots of Wifom. I have no idea why Town!Titus would do something with such little thought put behind it. Brants made an entrance and didn't really do anything. Kling has more of barely anything, FireKari flips their stance on me for the zillionth time and lastly, for the first time noticing this, Elb doesn't really go into detail on their read on me, but just says I am Scum.

I think that pretty much covers it.

So we are getting closer to lynch and it will likely be me. Its prolly not the best role to go, but its prolly not the worst either. I really have no idea of what the setup is like. I am just guessing there is some irregular roles involved when thinking about roles and how they are balanced and stuff.

Would the members of the LQ wagon please kindly state your reasons for being on said wagon? And, LQ, you haven't told me why Jeanne is scum to you.

-Cerb

FOUR LEGS GOOD TWO LEGS BAD

Huh, not sure what to make of that.

Damnit I called it a dog and not a dragon again.

Hmm I think I'd need to go over the their ISO's in combination to see if you're right. I do know he and Bright ended up voting the same person during the War, who LQ was pushing, but I don't recall anything about Brights previous or subsequent votes.

-Cerb

I'll save you the trouble.

Suzune was RVS.

Titus was I forget why.

Elbirn is still a mild Scum read.

He dies Elb.

Spoiler: Elbirn to BM Interactions

PokerFace here, I never played suikoden so I will be wiki-ing flavor stuff as needed

@Elbirn,

who are your scum buddies?

You, lickety, and uhm..whoever that guy was who voted me in page 3. Not brantz, the other one.

VOTE: Titus

We should lynch her before she goes all VCA on us.

Yeah so actually

This is a really shitty vote, and relies on

1. Removing a valuable town tool
2. Knowing that titus is town and will utilize said tool against scum

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Black Magick

PokerFace here, I never played suikoden so I will be wiki-ing flavor stuff as needed

@Elbirn,

who are your scum buddies?

.......this was a good response?

Lolwat

UNVOTE:

I need to reevaluate. I can't remember if my vote on titus was because I was pissed or if there was something to it that I can't remember because I was still fucked up yesterday. Also I read the past like 10+ pages that have happened since Saturday morningish and I retained hardly any of it so I need to do that again.

Me, suzune, Jeanne = bloody obvious town seriously stop it
RR = good vibes and rainbows here
Titus = pending review ,will honestly probably wind up back in the "town bloc" when I stop being a pissbaby
Ranger = same as titus but a little weaker, she feels really town to me but I'm willing to reconsider after RR's last few posts
Bright = I don't know 100% who's controlling the dragon doggie, but my guts fairly sure they're town. I know that's bullshit idc.

LQ said some shit about me that I'm about to tear to shreds if you'll bear with me.

Don't like wgeurts either.

Black majick is scum but I forget why, Brb rereading

Uhm...who else is in this game? Brantz has done nothing. Has he been prodded? Pistachi0n is crap. Klingon hasn't given us much content but I'll throw her a bone, she's a weak townread. I can *feel* it. I really wish I were townreading firekari but idk if I am anymore

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 5#p7341485

it's varsoon dicking around

LOOOOOLLLLLLLLLLL

TOP KEK M8S

Join me Elbrin.

As much as I'd love to lynch obvscum with you, I'm gonna park my vote on his buddy until deadline. I think we'll get more out of seeing who besides me decides to vote lq.

VOTE: Blackest Majick

Who's ready for unfounded bullshit by the way?

So scum-majick is all like "man what the fuck is this bright guy"

"I better find out what this is I bet it's a town double voter or something ROLE FISH ROLE FISH"

"Oh it's just varsoon being an asshole, okay here you go guys"

The end
*burps*

Lq/blackmajick/pistachio

If only the game were actually that easy to solve. *sighs*

RR you're either unlynchable, the role, or you're a blowhard, or you're scum trying to sound like you're unlynchable the role so that later on when we call you out on it you can backtrack and claim you're just a blowhard.

Fortunately there's a very easy way to verify this, and if it works you're conftown. Like why the fuck not?

VOTE: Reasonably Rational

After we get a hammer on you and you don't die, can we lynch Blackest Majick please his posts give me cancer

We never claimed to be unlynchable by role.

Then I will hold you to this as a defacto claim that your role is NOT lynch proof, and if you say otherwise later on I will put you in the ground.

Now then.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Blackest Majick

Scum are buttbliterated, let's hurry up and kill BM and pistachio and games over

Lynch Order:

Blackest Magic
Pistachion
Brantz
FireKari
Suzune
Ranger
Jeanne
Me/RR

We need 5 people to agree to this to work as a bloc and then stick to it ignoring all others trying to break the plan as that's what scum needs.
Quote and say aye if you're up for it, I'm one so that leaves 4 more. I'll hammer once this is settled.

I'll do this until BM and pistachio are dead, but if that happens and game still isn't over then we need to re evaluate.

Spoiler: Elbirn to LQ Interactions

PokerFace here, I never played suikoden so I will be wiki-ing flavor stuff as needed

@Elbirn,

who are your scum buddies?

You, lickety, and uhm..whoever that guy was who voted me in page 3. Not brantz, the other one.

Also, Weirdo Elb noted.

I what m8?

Oh titus nvm I understand, I can be a bit dense at times. 3am isn't a good time for me to be thinking.

Is that yukari posting nonsense and voting Jeanne for dumb reasons?
Stop that yukari.

Not happy with lq thus far.

Uhhhh idk what else to talk about

I don't like you Scumreading me so early. You got a reason?

The majority of your posts have had this unnatural vibe about them. If I felt like explaining in detail greater than that right now, I would have done so already, but generally you'll find I'm a fairly lazy early-game player.

@Ranger, your move to LQ feels slimy to me

Deal with it. I'd be there no matter how many votes were on LicketyQuickety because he's my strongest scumread. That others beat me to the punch is unfortunate, but irrelevant to my rationale behind voting there.

These posts feel townie. Casual, idgaf town.

I am here and making a fluff post to let you all know I am here to talk

I'd also like to use this post to note that I am in 4 games atm. And that's the most games I've ever been in at once and I don't actually have that kind of time. Whups. So yeah if I'm ever absent that's why. Also my sister had a baby early this morning and Halloween is tomorrow so things are happening don't be surprised if I'm not here for a while

Also lq pls no bully yukari I'm pretty sure he's roleplaying and if he isn't then man I don't know reality is an illusion who am I to judge his worldview he's still interesting af to play mafia with

---

Anyway enough fluff who wants to talk to me?

LQ, your reads on BM and Elbrin....

Elb, is being really out of character and I can't say I like it.

BM, don't know, they're not on my radar at all.

What do you think of me? I want to know if you like me? :-p

Titus, how could anyone not like you?

Hi.

Elbrin or BM, who is scummier and why?

Between the two, I'd say Elbirn. His play reminds me of Devil Elbirn from Midnight Sun.

Really? Cuz I don't think it "looks" anything like it. I still think its messed up and is going to take me a while to figure out what the heck he is doing.

Jeanne, while I get your vote early, both of you are still arguing hypothethicals. You're letting scum coast and not providing solid reasons for your read. Let's take a chill pill and let Elbrin LQ BM and RR hang themselves by trying to lurk it out.

Elbirn, I can see as Scum here. BM IDK. RR is pretty Null to me.

Whaddya peeps think about lq's thought process here?

I found it interesting that he says I'm off, then says I'm not like our other previous game WHERE I WAS SCUM, then says I could be scum.

On the surface it looks kind of inconsistent, but I can see a confused town lq going "wtf is he doing" "well he's not acting like the other scumgame.." and finally "nah fuck it I don't like him he's scum".

Jeanne you're right to scumread lq, but "he claimed town" isn't the reason for it.

Bad premise, correct conclusion.

Oh lickety you responded to me saying something about bullying and that was only half serious ,idk I musta misread something. I also didn't know you had that condition either D: that's rough homie

Also I didn't think you were being mean to me at all with the testicle bit, I do have a more conservative scum game than town game anyway as you've seen xP it'd take proportionately more balls to try that as scum methinks

I feel like half the playerlist is gone and it makes me sad.

It's just me titus lq and Jeanne talking in circles

Hey Elbirn, how you doing man?

-Fire

Pretty good, if my calculations are correct we have several people here who are just bloody obviously town and that just makes me feel all warm and fuzzy inside.

I think if we lynch majick today we're hitting scum. LQ would be nice as well but I feel like his slot will be easy to read if he'd post more. Like if he's town we should see it. He's a good day 2 lynch if he hasn't gone obvtown like morning sun part 1.

I don't think LQ is scum either.

But why? ;_;

So......what do the farmers say?

I say this whole thing was pointless, yielded no results, and I'm mad at you/titus for starting it early and without keeping me in the loop/waiting for me.

But I'm really trashed from last night and I also barely slept, and did so in my car at that, and I just don't have the physical or mental capability to play this game today

Pedit: Titus are you fucking kidding me? You're voting lq for voting Jeanne, when he already scumread her and if I'm not mistaken believed that his options for voting were either himself or her?

And what reason would I have to vote lq? Gee it's almost like I did exactly what you said you did: didn't vote for lq or Jeanne because *I knew there would be a derp ass quick lynch if everyone had to choose between voting him or Jeanne*, and so I kept my vote on majick.

If lq is town then scum is....everyone you've been working with? And fucking WHY?

VOTE: Titus

This is bullshit I'm mad I'm going to bed

UNVOTE:

I need to reevaluate. I can't remember if my vote on titus was because I was pissed or if there was something to it that I can't remember because I was still fucked up yesterday. Also I read the past like 10+ pages that have happened since Saturday morningish and I retained hardly any of it so I need to do that again.

Me, suzune, Jeanne = bloody obvious town seriously stop it
RR = good vibes and rainbows here
Titus = pending review ,will honestly probably wind up back in the "town bloc" when I stop being a pissbaby
Ranger = same as titus but a little weaker, she feels really town to me but I'm willing to reconsider after RR's last few posts
Bright = I don't know 100% who's controlling the dragon doggie, but my guts fairly sure they're town. I know that's bullshit idc.

LQ said some shit about me that I'm about to tear to shreds if you'll bear with me.

Don't like wgeurts either.

Black majick is scum but I forget why, Brb rereading

Uhm...who else is in this game? Brantz has done nothing. Has he been prodded? Pistachi0n is crap. Klingon hasn't given us much content but I'll throw her a bone, she's a weak townread. I can *feel* it. I really wish I were townreading firekari but idk if I am anymore

You haven't done anything to personally insult me lq o.o I meant that as an ingame jab, not a personal thing. I really don't get outofgame personally mad at anyone, I just have a sometimes abrasive, aggressive playstyle. Don't take it personal. But anyway thanks for reminding me to attack you!

I read Jeanne11 as Scum still.

I also read Elb and Suzune as a mild scum read. Suzune looks opportunistic and Elb hasn't done anything in a while.

I can't tell if Titus is still working a gambit or if they are just delusional at this point.

RR looks to be null as well as most of the other lurkers.

So this post was shit. I get a scumread for not being her for like 36 hours, over fucking Halloween weekend, and when I took the time to drag myself in here half hungover and half stoned and told you all that I was too fucked up to play with you gaiz. And fuck let's not forget that all of Saturday the thread was locked because titus and Jeanne blew their load early on the gambit. And I've been one of the most active contributors of this game. But nah fuck me I'm "lurking". Which is totallllly a scumtell, or something.

Why are people saying Elb is obvTown?

Wreugets, could you point me to like 3 or so posts by Elb that you like?

Elb plays a very conservative Scum game. How's he not doing this as the game has progressed?

How have I played conservatively at all?

Is claiming scum in my first post conservative? Or maybe it was the part where I joined titus and Jeanne in their gambit, that was a p conservative move wasn't it.

Tldr your read on me is shit and it makes me feel that your thoughts aren't real.

Join me Elbrin.

As much as I'd love to lynch obvscum with you, I'm gonna park my vote on his buddy until deadline. I think we'll get more out of seeing who besides me decides to vote lq.

VOTE: Blackest Majick

Who's ready for unfounded bullshit by the way?

So scum-majick is all like "man what the fuck is this bright guy"

"I better find out what this is I bet it's a town double voter or something ROLE FISH ROLE FISH"

"Oh it's just varsoon being an asshole, okay here you go guys"

The end
*burps*

....nah I lied that's dumb.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: LicketyQuickety

Am I now town?

If you vote LQ the answer might be yes

Considering that LQ is clearly today's lynch idk what you're upset about.

Also I'm not feeling klingon scum here, so that counterwagon doesn't really appeal to me.

Jeanne nothing you are saying is grounded in reality. Please chill.

This is scummy, you're dismissing an argument without explaining why.

There is no argument, Jeanne has just been babbling incoherent nothingness. I don't understand her anger that no one is listening to her when it's literally one person townreading lq and the rest of the town against lq. He's the majority fucking wagon and she's bitching like we're all too dumb to see that he's scum like holy shit I'm sorry we haven't put him in the ground fast enough for you your highness Jesus tittyfucking christ

Anyway your post here was bad, anything relevant to say?

Lq/blackmajick/pistachio

If only the game were actually that easy to solve. *sighs*

Would the members of the LQ wagon please kindly state your reasons for being on said wagon? And, LQ, you haven't told me why Jeanne is scum to you.

-Cerb

FOUR LEGS GOOD TWO LEGS BAD

Huh, not sure what to make of that.

Beasts of England, Beasts of Ireland,
Beasts of every land and clime,
Hearken to my joyful tidings
Of the Golden future time.
Soon or late the day is coming,
Tyrant Man shall be o'erthrown,
And the fruitful fields of England
Shall be trod by beasts alone.
Rings shall vanish from our noses,
And the harness from our back,
Bit and spur shall rust forever,
Cruel whips no more shall crack.
Riches more than mind can picture,
Wheat and barley, oats and hay,
Clover, beans, and mangel-wurzels
Shall be ours upon that day.
Bright will shine the fields of England,
Purer shall its waters be,
Sweeter yet shall blow its breezes
On the day that sets us free.
For that day we all must labour,
Though we die before it break;
Cows and horses, geese and turkeys,
All must toil for freedom's sake.
Beasts of England, Beasts of Ireland,
Beasts of every land and clime,
Heaten well, and spread my tidings
Of the Golden future time.

Would the members of the LQ wagon please kindly state your reasons for being on said wagon? And, LQ, you haven't told me why Jeanne is scum to you.

-Cerb

FOUR LEGS GOOD TWO LEGS BAD

Are you more or less equal than us comrade?

^ dis guy
Dis guy right here gits it

I agree with Ranger.

@RR Answer this: If LQ is town, why doesn't he know what AUA is?

I'm town and I didn't remember what AUA was until I reread my role pm so I'm calling it a null tell.

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I find the fact that lq didn't immediately claim his restriction and didn't immediately pm the mod and didn't immediately vote is really fishy.

LQ what happens to the dragon if we lynch you?

He dies Elb.

Hm.

UNVOTE:

You're not off the hook by a long shot, I'm just not happy with you sitting at l-1 atm.

VOTE: LQ

FOUR LEGS GOOD

But no really lq being double voter doesn't mean anything when any role can be any alignment and scum double voters are a thing regardless

After looking at the Elbirn to BM interactions, we really fail to see what Elbirn's case on BM was. He accuses BM of being scum repeatedly, but the only thing even remotely resembling a reason was him not liking the BM vote against Titus:

VOTE: Titus

We should lynch her before she goes all VCA on us.

Yeah so actually

This is a really shitty vote, and relies on

1. Removing a valuable town tool
2. Knowing that titus is town and will utilize said tool against scum

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Black Magick

Despite the Elbirn to LQ spoiler being considerably larger, the only posts with reasoning for the his suspicion would be:

Why are people saying Elb is obvTown?

Wreugets, could you point me to like 3 or so posts by Elb that you like?

Elb plays a very conservative Scum game. How's he not doing this as the game has progressed?

How have I played conservatively at all?

Is claiming scum in my first post conservative? Or maybe it was the part where I joined titus and Jeanne in their gambit, that was a p conservative move wasn't it.

Tldr your read on me is shit and it makes me feel that your thoughts aren't real.

And:

I find the fact that lq didn't immediately claim his restriction and didn't immediately pm the mod and didn't immediately vote is really fishy.

~Yukari

[FireKari]

Any final words Klingoncelt?
~Yukari

[FireKari]

@Cerb

Spoiler: Not game-related

WTF! We were almost done, as soon as we hit paste for what would have been the last time, chrome decides to crash and when we reload browser, the page with our post preview gives us crap saying no multipost... T_T And we had already started from scratch once.. Thankfully this time we have 3 out of the 4 interaction spoilers saved by hitting submit in our Hydra PT but still that last spoiler was the most annoying to compile and took like 2 hours to complete... T_T

Need to take a break.. maybe play some fallout or something....

*Cries*

I approve of playing Fallout. Why do you think I've barely been playing this game?

-Cerb

Unfortunately, we don't have a current gen console, so playing fallout 3. May be an older game, but it is new to us lol. Enjoying it so far, pretty much the only thing we do not like is the hacking system, which seems a bit strange. In protest of this system, we havn't even been trying to solve terminals like a puzzle.. So far every terminal we come across we simply try the first 3 passwords, then back out, rinse repeat, and so far this method has worked every single time, which we think is pretty silly rofl..

Hmm. So you're willing to hammer klingon even though it seems you've found no expressed reasons why elbirn is suspicious of LQ, thereby (I assume this is the effect your information should have on our reads) removing any real town credit elbirn should get for being on those lynches?

I mean, I'm not sure I agree with the significance of those fscts (BM waa an easy default lynch due to lack of scumhunting, and elbirn informed of the whole titus and fruit situation, so he could have had plenty of reason not given within the thread, or could have simply been sheeping the individuals he was in communication with).

-Cerb

We do find Elbirn's lack of reasoning suspicious, but we still feel kling is more likely to be scum. Plus Fire disagrees with our read on Elbirn. If Klingon flips town, then Elbirn would be next on our list for the chopping block.

We gave the list of interactions and our opinion of them, but perhaps other players will look at the interactions and express a differing opinion.

[FireKari]

Going to set a timeframe for discussion. Hammer will come in 10 hours.

Also @Cerb We knew about the way to reset the hacking chances, but just seems slow to look for it vs the method we described. The way we been doing it seems to work pretty well with a 0% fail rate so far lol.

[FireKari]

5 hours left, nobody has anything else to say?
~Yukari

[FireKari]

20 min

[FireKari]

@RR:

Wguerts and us (RR) may or may not know of another confirmed town.

We would like for you to to elaborate on this first thing day 5 please, whether we are alive still or not.

Don't forget about this.

[FireKari]

VOTE: Klingoncelt
VOTE: Klingoncelt

Apologies if you are town.
~Yukari

[FireKari]

Yay! Town win!! XD We rly put a lot of effort into this game and are very happy to finish our last game on a win. =) If anyone wants to see the hydra PT, is cool with us if it is ok with fire. Will look at PTs 2moro and make a wrap-up post, but headed to bed right now.

Very fun game Varsoon, thanks for modding! =) A lil sad we won't be around for the Rick and Morty game but owell, we rly enjoyed this one.