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In this game, you get cute or you die.In post 21, Albert B. Rampage wrote:The Game of Thrones has begun
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Are you scum this time though? Be honestIn post 32, Blair wrote:Glad to be invited!YOUR AD HERE
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Posts an entire list of reads in basically RVS. "Scum feel a need to do something"In post 149, Llamarble wrote:Town
Llama
Farside
Porkens
Starbuck
Green Crayons
Blair
Hoopla
CLAP
Reck
UT
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MT
Baltar
Agar
Auro
KMD
ABR
The idea is scum feel a need to do something, and being cute is something to do, like a mission. CLAP's version seemed less goal-oriented.
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Because his posting seems the most contrived.In post 164, farside22 wrote:Why are you voting MT?YOUR AD HERE
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You gonna get on this wagon with me or....In post 187, Hoopla wrote:morning tweet seemed least sincere - or at least, seemed to be opportunistically using the screen of jokes-y cuteness to shield herself from potential early scrutiny.YOUR AD HERE
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There were like 6 posts on it. Seems very try-hard for a mediocre joke.In post 197, Morning Tweet wrote:Is there something that seems insincere about it?
We were still in RVS, but I can't imagine being THAT committed to that bit.YOUR AD HERE
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I never said it was serious... what does that even mean?In post 225, farside22 wrote:I just thought MT was joking. I never took the any of it seriously. I don't even see MT caring on with that thought process as serious.
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UNVOTE: MT
VOTE: iamausername
I just spent a game as scum fighting against Blair's instincts to save my team. No one in that game would really follow her and she screamed into the void for many pages. She ended up copping two of them.
Blatant sheep here. Come at me if you don't like it.YOUR AD HERE
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I am VP Baltar, and this...is my Masterclass.In post 252, Hoopla wrote:exciting times. i must say, what a treat for mafia enthusiasts watching along witnessing such a high level of playYOUR AD HERE
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Eh, still felt like a bit of a forced interaction on her part, but maybe that's how she actually is.In post 286, Porkens wrote:
Why you leave MT?In post 251, VP Baltar wrote:UNVOTE: MT
VOTE: iamausername
I just spent a game as scum fighting against Blair's instincts to save my team. No one in that game would really follow her and she screamed into the void for many pages. She ended up copping two of them.
Blatant sheep here. Come at me if you don't like it.
I decided I'll just stan Blair instead.
"Me scum. You no funny"Auro wrote:Can I lure you guys into theory talk about how scum have higher cognitive load and don't recognize jokes easily
You mean like that?
You were actually going to vote over that?Green Crayons wrote:In post 301, Auro wrote:In post 95, Green Crayons wrote: Your no lynch suggestion was hella dumb and I would've voted you for it because it was hella dumb, but I don't think it was particularly AI given that it was a early (first?) D1 post.YOUR AD HERE
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You're on a wagon with MT. Is that a better explanation?In post 318, Albert B. Rampage wrote:
You didn't explain anything and I still need to be explained gc and iamuser if you want my voteIn post 296, Hoopla wrote:
town heroine hoopla dazzled onlookers with a stunning moment of divine intuition, powering the wagon on GC-scum.In post 287, Albert B. Rampage wrote:I dont even start reading the game until page 25 these days.
Explain to me what's going on and I'll give you my opinion on it.
in response, shady antihero blair rustled up an uninspired counterwagon on lurking easy-target iamausername. her motivations? god knows.YOUR AD HERE
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We caught two scum in the first 10 pages? Well that was easy!In post 321, Llamarble wrote:Well the IAAU one is simple. There are two posts there and his vote is the kind of minor inconsistency scum go for.
GC has a more developed ISO of different stuff, but most recently 305 calls a bunch of people suspicious and disappointing without really doing anything.
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I stan you and this is your response! rude afIn post 333, Blair wrote:On-wagon: Could be VP Baltar. He felt the need to over explain why he was sheeping me. Could denote self consciousness.
unvote
I got to say, I find this fringing on the point of silly and distracting.In post 348, Llamarble wrote:Agree with VP + IAAU (I think if it's not GC, those two + Reck + Auro is best)
^Town response.In post 355, CantHateAPuppy wrote:
im lurking, mafia philosophy is kinda boring and i don't feel like inventing some strong takes so i can effortpost with the big boysIn post 324, VP Baltar wrote:
We caught two scum in the first 10 pages? Well that was easy!In post 321, Llamarble wrote:Well the IAAU one is simple. There are two posts there and his vote is the kind of minor inconsistency scum go for.
GC has a more developed ISO of different stuff, but most recently 305 calls a bunch of people suspicious and disappointing without really doing anything.
I'm kind of surprised Reck and Puppy are such wallpaper this game. Not really what I was expecting from either
This fight does strike me as odd.In post 364, Green Crayons wrote:
not sure how you could see this as a personal sleight (that I'm somehow calling you an ass?), so inclined to think this is manufacturedIn post 356, Starbuck wrote:I didn't create any sort of "empty calorie" discussion. The fact that you are assuming my motives without talking to me makes you look like an ass, not me.
Starbuck, do you find GC scummy or just irritating?
If i could put a face with a wall, it would be yours <3In post 368, xRECKONERx wrote:i'll have you know some wallpaper is fucking beautiful
huh? explain.
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You're gonna have to do better than that.In post 404, Auro wrote:
I gut-townread Green Crayons from his posts.In post 402, VP Baltar wrote:huh? explain.YOUR AD HERE
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VOTE: auroIn post 408, Auro wrote:Do you want to talk about any of my other reads I've given reasons for?
No. I would think you could actually give even a minor detail about what in your "gut" read pinged for you. I don't like the hand waving when asked a pretty simple question.YOUR AD HERE
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Just to be clear, you believe I'm scum who has tried to bus two partners in less than 20 pages on D1?In post 464, Llamarble wrote:I don't think Crayons is particularly town that his wagon needs to dissolve; I prefer it over Starbuck's, but VP is also a good choice if Auro pressed an innocent child button.YOUR AD HERE
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Black sheep...why are you voting me?In post 479, Auro wrote:Baa, baa.
Other than it being the only viable alternative to your own wagon at the moment of course.YOUR AD HERE
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Ok, so I think the most useful approach here is probably looking at the folks on this wagon and their reasoning, because there has to be some artificial inflation here in this group (aka, the bad ones, aka, those whose names shall not be spoken, aka SCUM).
First, ABR:
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I'm going to skip over IIAU for now. He was technically second on my wagon, then hopped off and seems to have hopped back on. I'll address him based on his current wagon position.
Next vote on me is Hoopla:
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Now is when things start to get more interesting. Auro's vote and then quick abandonment is a HUGE scumtell. I was a mildly up and coming wagon and he saw that as he was facing pressure. His reason for voting me was "gut" townread on Green Crayons, whose wagon happened to be waning. I took time to give him an opportunity to explain something I was missing there, but clearly my initial twinge was right, hence the vote. That much should have been quite obvious to anyone mildly looking at that interaction (an important point later when we get to the squad saying 'VPB hasn't done anything town yet this game!' ~ which is completely "give me a break" territory given the folks saying it.)
Which brings us to IIAU:
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Next up is UT:
Here is the reasoning for the vote (actual vote is in a follow up post that doesn't say much)
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Last, we have Farside:
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Other observations while I was rereading:
Didn't care for ABR and Auro fishing information off Reck.
@Blair - the Starbuck thing is over. AGar's breakdown of this is good. Trust me, most of the people in this game have played with Starbuck and she gets hyped as either alignment. That means nothing. Regarding the attack itself, seems like it could have been a mistake. I'd rather hear your thoughts on some other players than see this debate suck up all the oxygen in the room. You could start with Auro and IIAU.YOUR AD HERE
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I tend to get scum read a lot as either alignment. I think it's my face.In post 626, Hoopla wrote:you're simply a player i haven't picked up any town tells from yet - this post being the first one i've liked.YOUR AD HERE
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I'll try to reach my inner gwyneth paltrow going forward.In post 633, Hoopla wrote:
i used to have a terrible case of resting-scumface too. i have since learnt to let the purity of my town essence flow through me.In post 631, VP Baltar wrote:I tend to get scum read a lot as either alignment. I think it's my face.YOUR AD HERE
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Green Crayons wrote:
So this piqued my curiosity the most out of your wagon analysis. Can you tease it out more, because Auro jumped on to a VP vote and then seemed to get distracted by farside--rather than it appearing to reflect AI on his VP vote.In post 621, VP Baltar wrote:Now is when things start to get more interesting. Auro's vote and then quick abandonment is a HUGE scumtell. I was a mildly up and coming wagon and he saw that as he was facing pressure. His reason for voting me was "gut" townread on Green Crayons, whose wagon happened to be waning. I took time to give him an opportunity to explain something I was missing there, but clearly my initial twinge was right, hence the vote.
Auro switched off I believe because I called him out on it. I think he realized he goofed because as scum in the leading wagon, you can't just sheep off onto a counter wagon. If my wagon had actually been successful with him on it like that, it would have been a disaster for him day 2.In post 642, Morning Tweet wrote:Hm okay. Auro switches off to farside like an hour later. It's a huge scumtell because Auro joined the "up and coming" wagon, or it's a huge scumtell that he dove in and out?
In my post right after his vote, i point out how problematic that vote looks and ask for him to explain.YOUR AD HERE
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Not hypocritical at all given I have an actual reason and have explained it numerous times now.In post 650, farside22 wrote:
Vp comment about auro is pretty hypocritical considering he voted auro while his wagon was building.In post 644, Green Crayons wrote:
So this piqued my curiosity the most out of your wagon analysis. Can you tease it out more, because Auro jumped on to a VP vote and then seemed to get distracted by farside--rather than it appearing to reflect AI on his VP vote.In post 621, VP Baltar wrote:Now is when things start to get more interesting. Auro's vote and then quick abandonment is a HUGE scumtell. I was a mildly up and coming wagon and he saw that as he was facing pressure. His reason for voting me was "gut" townread on Green Crayons, whose wagon happened to be waning. I took time to give him an opportunity to explain something I was missing there, but clearly my initial twinge was right, hence the vote.YOUR AD HERE
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Have you compared this to scum Blair before? I would agree with your premise on how I perceived town Blair, but I haven't heard how she plays as scum before.In post 664, CantHateAPuppy wrote:pedit: i like blair because in her last game she also liked to drive early on contradictions and sort of "force" confrontation. i just think that's who she is, and so far this feels authentic to me. like, if it's fake, it's a town fake iykwisYOUR AD HERE
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Nope. Point is ABR is reacting to me calling out his lack of scumhunting, so he moved into a more aggressive position. Really only mattered his vote was wasted at that time, not who it was on.In post 686, Blair wrote:Is that a defense? I thought he was partnering Blair / ABRYOUR AD HERE
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UnlikelyIn post 689, Albert B. Rampage wrote:I switched my vote from blair to you without reading your post about my useless vote or whatever. I didnt even read that.YOUR AD HERE
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Implying you could ignore seeing your own name in lights!In post 694, Albert B. Rampage wrote:Is this the post? Very unremarkable.YOUR AD HERE
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I never said I was being aggressive about it. I said your response was an overly aggressive response because I called attention to you. I think you could do this as either alignment as a way to prompt reactions.
Like I said before, it is a very ABR play so it's pretty shrug to me. I do think it is silly of you to say you didn't see me responding directly to a post you had made.YOUR AD HERE
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Are you asking me in earnest why I'm not questioning MT over the cuteness thing?In post 758, farside22 wrote:Spoiler:
Another thing that I thought about while I was away was that VP never followed back up with MT and there read he had there. He says he is sheeping blair, says maybe that's just how MT is and then mades a comment to ABR that reads like he still finds MT scummy but I see no follow up or push there any more.
Like what happened to that read and why not follow up with it?YOUR AD HERE
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This right here strikes me as among the most easily fakeable.In post 759, Llamarble wrote:Like IAAU's readlist where he anticipated a lot of peoples' reads so that we all think "he is seeing this game the way I do"
I really don't get why people are so easily confused by lists=effort, especially on D1.
IAAU is quite insistent on my lynch still it seems and yet, he's never asked me a single question or stated a reason why.YOUR AD HERE
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It actually did occur to me as a little hypocritical, and I wondered if I was being biased. I do think my wagon had more momentum than yours. I also think your level of actual scumhunting has been much less and you've just been camped on me for awhile as a safe place to have a vote, so I think the circumstances are not the same.In post 762, iamausername wrote:VP, does it bother you at all that you called me scummy for looking at my wagon and determining you to be the most likely scum on it when that is exactly what you did, right there, in the post where you called me scum for doing that?
What are your thoughts on Auro?YOUR AD HERE
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Also, is puppy scum simply by approximation to me or for other reasons?In post 756, iamausername wrote:i have narrowed my pool of acceptable lynches to VP Baltar and Can'tLynchAPuppy.YOUR AD HERE
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Because puppy is actively opposing my mislynch, and I'm the only person I've seen you really glance toward this gameIn post 766, iamausername wrote:what made you think that i was suspicious of puppy through association to you?YOUR AD HERE
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I'm not quite following this since the sentence structure is a little confusing, but I think you're asking what my read of Blair's response was to my sheeping her.In post 751, farside22 wrote:VP was the one who said he was doing that in the first place in another game. So if he is doing it here for the same reason what did he gather from his reaction? Did it read like he saw a reaction that looked similar?
She didn't give a lot of response to that directly, but the fact she was critical of me a little later felt Blair town to me. I'd expect her to be a hyper aggressive player as town and to be suspicious of any buddying attempts. Granted, we are talking a sample size of one game, but she's felt genuine to me this game, if a little adrift in terms of direction.YOUR AD HERE
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The post you quoted is literally 8 minutes from the post where I explain to Porkens why I left the MT vote behind (less than 24 hours since I unvoted). I don't quite follow your logic here. You're saying at that point I either should have dropped all concerns about MT or should have been following up aggressively on a forced joke twinge instead of sending a jab ABR's way?In post 768, farside22 wrote:In post 760, VP Baltar wrote:
Are you asking me in earnest why I'm not questioning MT over the cuteness thing?In post 758, farside22 wrote:Spoiler:
Another thing that I thought about while I was away was that VP never followed back up with MT and there read he had there. He says he is sheeping blair, says maybe that's just how MT is and then mades a comment to ABR that reads like he still finds MT scummy but I see no follow up or push there any more.
Like what happened to that read and why not follow up with it?
Are you saying that is the only reason you scum read MT? Because the last quote to ABR implies you still find MT scummy but aren't pushing a wagon there.YOUR AD HERE
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That's an accurate statement. But, my vote on Auro predates my wagon and is certainly the scum read I feel most confident about. It's not too late to abandon this folly and get on an actual scum lynch.In post 775, Untrod Tripod wrote:I'm sticking with my initial read on him because I think it's a lot easier to fake reactions than to fake an initial attitude.YOUR AD HERE
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It's just been my experience historically with ABR (very admittedly old ass experience at this point) that he's itching for a confrontation day 1. My memory is that's something that has happened to me before (I'm sure that's probably true for many people) when I've played games with him as town. The overstated case, the memetic repetition of the lynch name to make it seem more popular than it is...as I said before, this is what I expect from him as either alignment because it's an effective strategy.In post 794, Green Crayons wrote:How is you giving him that direction something that would have made him turn on you?
So needless to say, I decided to look back and see why he became triggered at me and saw that post as the immediate predecessor. I think it's a pretty reasonable conclusion, regardless of what he claims about whether he saw it or not (which, hey, maybe he didn't? But also how many people here don't at least read posts where they are quoted?)
To me, this feels like a more honest reason that I'm being run up. Rather than try to hunt scum, I've been chosen to disclose information as a pseudo policy. I disagree with this since we are not near the half way point you describe (7 days till deadline still...that's 48 more hours, or approximately 25 pages of content in this game based on current estimates, until we hit the half way point), and Auro is an actually good wagon to get on.In post 801, Hoopla wrote:the single most important thing that can happen on day 1 is a roleclaim.
Bold and emphasis mine because I think it's an accurate word choice.In post 802, Albert B. Rampage wrote:GC is correct that you're mischaracterizing yourself as "jabbing" me, when the order of events is as GC puts it:
1) II don't read the first 25 pages of a game, ask who wants my vote, ask them to explain why I should vote thereclaim
2) You chime in and say that me and MT are wasting our votes on Blair
3) I vote you with more pazaz than my page 3 Blair vote
4) You say that I'm voting you to take a more aggressive stance against you because you called me out
5) You double down on this statement
Point #1 is I know you're a smart guy and are actually reading along. Point #2 is I'm saying there is a relation to steps 2 & 3. Actions mean more than words, and those were the actions I saw.
Could it be you're telling the truth and missed it? Totally. But I don't think that is the most likely conclusion here based upon the order of events though. I think you should actually be honest, and this is my personal flaw being a journalist.
Meanwhile in actual scum land...
This list is they type of fluff that is all over Auro's play this game. Between that and the rampant discussions about mafia theory and meta that I just glaze over, I'm lulled into a state of "I just want to ignore this person." and then I remember I could not for the life of me tell you who Auro actually thinks is scum. The play reeks and should actually be lynched.In post 779, Auro wrote:The Solve
Albert B. Rampage: Arrogance and taking control are an unnecessary call to attention in a gamestate where he'd be quite comfortable as scum.
Blair: General behavior in a player-list that doesn't award tunnels
Auro: Accessed role PM; town.
Hoopla: Uniquely townreads me but also second-guesses it when the rest of town shouts that I'm scum; so there's no intent of buddying (even when I respond very positively to her generally in game).
Llamarble: Earnestness.
Porkens: I believe that "clueless" is not a way that Porkens would approach as scum.
Starbuck: The emotive reaction to the push on her, and subsequent relief at being termed a false positive both read town.
Untrod Tripod: Brazen admission of having nothing to add and call-out of the D1 solvers.
Green Crayons: One of the holistic townreads I have, rather than specific tells.
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I really don't think it is my responsibility to make people try harder in this game. How am I supposed to help kmd and Starbuck and Porkens actually catch up and post? How am I supposed to stop ABR from inanely repeating the same bad point again that I've already responded to? I've explained why Auro is a good lynch and why the wagon on me is vaporware.In post 827, Llamarble wrote:Right now VP Baltar has the biggest say in that with how he plays the rest of the day, regardless of his alignment.
Hopefully he can be very active and tell us who we should go after instead of him with good reasons; that will also give us some associatives if he is scum.
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A lot of activity overnight. I'm probably not going to be able to get to this game until this afternoon, depending on how busy work is today.
I did read Porkens' catch-up since it's been a long time coming.
@Porkens can you point to some specific posts where I'm "flailing"?
Also, if I'm reading your list right (and c'mon man, I'm Meeple status? You can't give me even like a goblin or something?), you have Crayons and Puppy as your other potential scum? Why is that?
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Actually not that far from my quarantine beard and hair at this pointIn post 919, Starbuck wrote:In post 631, VP Baltar wrote:I tend to get scum read a lot as either alignment. I think it's my face.YOUR AD HERE
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I look forward to specifics.In post 925, Porkens wrote:For now that’s just how I felt reading through, that you were scummy as you defended yourself. I’ll iso you later this morning and give specifics.YOUR AD HERE
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Other thing I'm noting before I turn into vapor here...
I oddly find ABR's post about his strategy here (go after harder to lynch targets early) to actually make sense, given I think few people in this game would be easy mislynches. His anger vote off me is a bit weird and messes with my perception I was having there, but haven't yet had time to double check my instincts on yet.YOUR AD HERE
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*a perception I was havingIn post 930, VP Baltar wrote:Other thing I'm noting before I turn into vapor here...
I oddly find ABR's post about his strategy here (go after harder to lynch targets early) to actually make sense, given I think few people in this game would be easy mislynches. His anger vote off me is a bit weird and messes with my perception I was having there, but haven't yet had time to double check my instincts on yet.
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So not flailing then, but you still think I'm the best lynch?In post 976, Porkens wrote:@ABR that is a shitty sideways response to a fair, straightforward question.
On ABR v VP,
On closer inspection, this is looking more like Blair v Starbuck where neither side comes out looking great. VP’s accusation of OMGUS is flimsy. “You are on a wagon with MT” mathematically approaches “you are wasting your vote” but never actually gets there.
On the other side, the counterattack to that very same point is overblown. Furthermore, ABR’s refrain of “he’s desperately trying to look town, c’mon guys pile on” Is desperate in and of itself. The fact is there just isn’t much substance to this case.
Initially, I was going to end this post with “fine people on both sides, but we’ll will see what happens.” Instead, however, I’ll propose this hypothesis:
Revelation, Porkens 3:16;
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Find myself nodding to this Farside assessment of Auro.In post 906, farside22 wrote:Your weak is fucking weak as hell. Did you go out of your way to just call one post scummy? Out of everything else said in this game you latch onto one fucking post while you do it shit post this whole game, where as I can link to Animal and DD and yes I realize you were in a hydra but there was a lot more thoughts in both fucking games compared to this. You are holding onto something that is minor and making it something more then it is.
I feel given he is at L-1, me making a big compiled case on him is pretty pointless, but really what I see fairly clearly as the scum case is:
1) his dump of the vote off me after I called him out as bandwagoning me to avoid the troubles he was facing. I first started calling this out in my post 485
2) He votes farside on like page 17 and does little if anything to encourage people to lynch her. I mean, lord knows I've been playing defense for like 20 pages here and have not been able to do as much active scum hunting -- but I don't think that's the case with Auro. He just kind of sat on that vote and joked and theorized to infinity.
3) THE THEORIZING TO INFINITY, OH MY CHRIST. I know MT says this is how he is, and I don't know him, so that's probably true. But honestly, i think scum has benefited this game from the jumped up page count. I do think there must be a scum among the most active players encouraging that. Auro's fluff to content ratio makes him a good suspect in this regard. I called this out in post 825 Even when he's trying to make "scum/town hunting posts" it looks like generic fluff.
4) The wagon on me has felt like a combination of apathy and a refusal of people to vote Auro. That has obviously shifted. I was starting to get weird concerns in the last day or so because as I started reflecting on why I was getting wagoned, it sort of occurred to me ABR would frequently say "VP or auro" but would then slightly nudge in my direction each time (percentages, etc). Looking at ABR's ISO, I saw lots of more direct calls to vote me and direct criticisms, and not nearly as much on Auro. However, ABR's unexpected switch and refusal to put me at L-1 when he had the chance basically means I was worrying about nothing. So I need to reassess who had a lack of interest in Auro's wagon but has jumped or been on mine with no prob (thinking mainly IAAU and MT here off hand, but I need a closer look at them.)
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Porkens, can you answer this?In post 920, VP Baltar wrote:Also, if I'm reading your list right (and c'mon man, I'm Meeple status? You can't give me even like a goblin or something?), you have Crayons and Puppy as your other potential scum? Why is that?
Set ironic posting to 1000In post 946, Auro wrote:I'd be happy with CLAP - none of his posts seem to have left any impression on me whatsoever, although that avatar is cute....
Hard agree on this. It makes no sense that someone getting tons of flak for actual reasons is getting few votes, while I'm just reeling in DEM VOTES for ???????In post 961, Green Crayons wrote:I haven't done the VC or gone back specifically to tally up who has suspected Auro, so this is just ~*~feelings~*~, but it seems that Auro has been this thread's punching bag. That just about everyone has gotten it out of their system about how suspicious he is. And yet he hasn't been a major focus of votes.
I think that points to Auro scum. Maybe that's unfair because this is really something that's outside of Auro's direct control, but just something that's been kicking around in my brain this AM.
@kmd - your post 966 about the interaction between Hoopla & Puppy feels either like super forced analysis or you are just in way too deep. Definitely doesn't read like you describe to me.
I've found her posts pretty protown. I'll admit Im biased because I just like her posting style. She's not a slot I've been particularly concerned with having a hard solve on day I because I think I'll get a better sense of her alignment as the game goes on.In post 968, Albert B. Rampage wrote:What is your read on Hoopla guys?
co-fucking-signedIn post 988, Untrod Tripod wrote:short, declarative sentences. they're your friend.
Doesn't feel like a hot take to me at all. I think it seems like a reasonable concept. not sure I 100% agree with the people in the list, but worth a closer look.In post 998, CantHateAPuppy wrote:hoo boy, this is going to be a hot take because no one asked for it and im not going to really explain it beyond "gut feeling"
but im thinking 2/4 scum in this group: [ llamarble, farside22, reck, kmd ]
thought goes like this: day reads to me like lots of town infighting, main wagons town (vpb, auro), some of the bigger drivers (blair, abr, gc) don't feel like scum drivers. so im kind of looking for players who are skirting around the main wagons and main discussions and that's what i feel at least. (actually llamarble is 3rd most active player which surprised me because i don't remember much of what he has said / done all game, this is probably the first iso ill do when i get around to that stage)
are you saying this is a scummy action from ABR?In post 1006, Morning Tweet wrote:ABR switching to Auro then not switching back to VP who he vehemently wanted at L-1 and claim is kinda eh
Blah, I'm sorry. That sounds super stressful.In post 1013, Starbuck wrote:You're not. I had an all-day work thing on Weds and yesterday I found out that my Great-Grandfather (who walked out on our whole family in like the '50s) passed away back in February and my Great Aunt knew but never told my Grandmother (her sister) because they haven't spoken in like 10 years although they still live like 15 min away from each other. I had to call my Grandmother in Connecticut, while I'm in Florida, to tell her that her father died six months ago and her sister couldn't have been arsed to tell her. So it's been a weird few days.
This feels overly defensive to me.In post 1014, Morning Tweet wrote:
you know what actually, whatever. i read through the past whatever amount of pages the best i could on my phone. Usually i wait till im on my PC to check everything more closely and be more organized and try not to be redundant, but this time i just posted what i was thinking as i thought it. at least i said something when i felt like not doing anythingIn post 1012, Morning Tweet wrote:
darn. It's not exactly rocket science thoughIn post 1010, Albert B. Rampage wrote:
You just plagiarized Blair.In post 1006, Morning Tweet wrote:ABR switching to Auro then not switching back to VP who he vehemently wanted at L-1 and claim is kinda eh
He scumreads Auro for not joining the VP wagon because ABR told him to? i could have predicted that reaction from Auro regardless of alignment. saying "Vote someone or I will vote you" is practically begging Auro to not do it and i wouldve thought ABR would know thatFOS: MT
In post 934, Blair wrote:I'm saying that by making the threat in the first place, you guaranteed you would be moving your vote in five minutes ("If you don't vote for who I tell you to in five minutes, I'm voting for you!" will make the other person dig their heels in 100% of the time and you knew this).
This is truly news to me.In post 1054, Albert B. Rampage wrote:I find auro scummier than VPB.
further:
Didn't you say some shit about me being too rational or some nonsense? I really don't understand the play here and it is confusing the hell out of me.In post 1054, Albert B. Rampage wrote:There's something ethereal about Auro whereas VPB puts on a more grounded defense.
See above. I would love for an explanation on this.In post 1072, Porkens wrote:Green Crayons is scum.
Are you caught up in this game? Has no one in this game done something to actually deserve your vote?In post 1082, iamausername wrote:still here, still prefer VPB but it's not like i'm super sold on Auro as town (or on VPB as scum for that matter) and i mostly just want this day to be over with.
my reads look like this now.
confident townreads:
1) AGar
6) farside22
8) Hoopla
13) Porkens
14) Starbuck
less confident townreads:
2) Albert B. Rampage
3) Auro
7) Green Crayons
10) Kmd4390
11) Llamarble
12) Morning Tweet
15) Untrod Tripod
17) xRECKONERx
null reads:
4) Blair
5) CantLynchAPuppy
16) VP Baltar
you're unvoting me why? Also, why are you saying you need to go to his ISO and dig up reasons to defend him? I mean, like I would do that maybe for someone I was strong town reading, but no someone I "don't explicitly townread"In post 1089, Morning Tweet wrote:Pork, are you alright mate? I'm 99% sure you are town but ABR acting irrationally =/= ABR conf scum, so your anger is.. misplaced
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you know, I can probably defend some of Auro's criticisms, i'm sure some is NAI. but probably not all of them. I don't explicitly townread either of the competing wagonees. I can't find the motivation right now to review Auro's big ass ISO or look back for the most compelling reasons. I do know that he's been the most polarizing character of today so in theory we'll learn the most from flipping/not flipping him
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You going to answer my questions to you or keep pretending like I don't exist?In post 1125, Porkens wrote:
VOTE: vpbaltarIn post 1123, Auro wrote:As a side: if the last ditch ABR wagon attempt had scum involvement in it, that's brilliant play.
Right?
Thinking on the Auto claim. Gut says someone should hammer. This day has gone on long enough.
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GAMMMAAAAAAA. We get a chance to win one together this time! Thanks for replacing in.
Ok, so I actually did do some reading over the night phase and there are SO MANY reasons to vote Morning Tweet.
VOTE: Morning Tweet
Going to run down them quick because I don't have long left on the computer here, so this is a very "notes dump" post.
The biggest reason I saw to think MT-Auro buddies is MT's incessant defense of Auro throughout D1 despite saying he is on the null to scummy side. (posts 144, 175,473, 546, 624, 642, 844, 853, 854, 1006, 1011, 1089). Alot of this is like a meta defense "auro wouldn't play like this" kind of stuff. Which, for the person who claims they know him the best here, that surely missed the target if MT is actually town.
There was also the weird Porkens "obvtown" stuff ... which feels like a scum conclusion based on very little evidence. Calls him a top town read as early as page 19. Wasn't really much substantive content from Porkens at that point yet, so not really sure how she was reaching that conclusion.
Here is another bit pulled straight from my notes:
The only thing that is throwing me a little bit is MT's interaction with Auro in twilight. The reactions feel slightly genuine to me, but on the other hand Auro was hamming it up and trying to make a bunch of WIFOM it seems like.VP's notes wrote:No serious vote on anyone in the game until she votes me and my wagon is looking like it's going to happen for sure. (post 853) Also just realized this vote of me included a defense of Auro hahahahahaha.
Post 632...lists Auro as a middle of the pack null read, on the fringe of scum, and yet the defenses of Auro and efforts to nudge away from the wagon persist for most of the rest of the day.
Post 705... MT says "I don't actively scumread him but i dont exactly actively scumread, period D1" But I went to find a town game from her because this sounds kind of silly. Needless to say, I randomly picked Micro 943: Treestump and MT is voting people regularly and looking for scum on D1. So not sure where this "I don't scumhunt D1 thing started." Open to hearing more from MT to explain that.
Later in the day, seems to be inching toward my wagon by saying "I like the wagon composition" (post 848) ... which makes no fucking sense when you literally have zero scum reads and have not made a serious vote yet in the game.YOUR AD HERE
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This is also a good vote, imoIn post 1277, CantHateAPuppy wrote:well i was way off <_<
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I was reading llama as pretty town D1 despite him being like a beautiful mind and wrong on many counts. He was trying hard to march the town forward.In post 1283, Gammagooey wrote:Iiiii dunno, I could be the spookiest scum from your perspective - did you have a strong inclination my slot was town from Llama?YOUR AD HERE
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Well he was clearly wrong about me for starters and contributed to that uphill fight for Auro for some time.In post 1293, Gammagooey wrote:He seemed p. right about Auro from what I've read up to so far - what was he wrong about? (aside from his Reck thoughts, Reck being lazier than his former self is a truth he was unaware of)
I also recall he was scum reading puppy, which I found myself disagreeing with.
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My theory is scum thought I was likely donezo until ABR acted like a beautiful psycho and refused to L-1 me.In post 1297, Porkens wrote:I also find it scummy when players defend others on meta for no apparent reason but on the other hand I would NEVER defend a mafia partner so obviously on day one. I’m not MT though so, maybe?
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