Mini Normal 2002: The Thaw OVERRRRRRRRR

[Flavor Leaf]

Because Titus posting in such a manner is a hilarious concept to me, and I'm keeping it alive until it stops being funny.

...which might be now since we're getting weird and analytical about it.

This is the only reason I’m on board with thinking that’s Titus, even though I by no means believe that to be true.

[Flavor Leaf]

Just putting it out there, Saudade’s the first player in a long while to completely shrek me with their scum game. Don’t sleep on him.

[Flavor Leaf]

UNVOTE: Spiffeh
VOTE: Flavor Leaf

Good vote. I forgot to put mine.

VOTE: Implosion

[Flavor Leaf]

Just putting it out there, Saudade’s the first player in a long while to completely shrek me with their scum game. Don’t sleep on him.

You can sleep under me baby

Under is fine, just not on.

[Flavor Leaf]

I think I’m town reading hoopla. The way she’s doing everything doesn’t seem like it’s coming from scum.

[Flavor Leaf]

I think i’m just VT this game. Who knows.

VOTE: Flavor Leaf


I’ll play along. L-1 i believe.

[Flavor Leaf]

To catch out the scum! You been shanghaied!!!

VOTE: Saudade

[Flavor Leaf]

Just so we don’t have anymore shenanigans, I’ll stop messing around. I’m gonna be away, but I’m not an alignment cop, but I have some sort of weaker investigative role.

[Flavor Leaf]

To be fair, Saudade very well knows the kind of player I am, so it’s extremely suspicious of his “why” question

[Flavor Leaf]

So much less intonation than you just saying that flavor is scum.

I think they even started pushing before I even posted.

But yeah, I was very aware I was putting myself at L-2 and not L-1. Wanted to bait the hammer

[Flavor Leaf]

Nevermind, I had a few posts before

[Flavor Leaf]

I unironically think we should have lynched Flavor Leaf then, because I know the alternative will end up being a gruelling 50 page Day 1 with a deadline flashwagon.

This only happens if I’m scum or am getting pushed by stubborn town relentlessly despite the contrary to reasons why I would be mechanically town.

I don’t care if people scum read me, just accept you can be wrong and be willing to at least try to work it out.

[Flavor Leaf]

But yeah, I was very aware I was putting myself at L-2 and not L-1. Wanted to bait the hammer

This is also either flat bullshit or poor sarcasm

Eh. I was clearly aware. But you saying that means you think that I’d either risk taking a hammer as scum on page 4, or you think i’m town who actually thought I thought I was putting myself at L-1.

Both make it seem like you’re making a town casebook on me.

For you to believe that I am scum, you’d have to believe I thought as scum I was putting myself to L-1 and risked a page 4 hammer. I’m Boon. Of course people are going to quickhammer me if given the chance. There was some time in between my unvote too, not a lot, but some.

This actually helps show that I’m town actually moreso than Implosion scum.

[Flavor Leaf]

Looking forward to Implosion responding

[Flavor Leaf]

I’ve claimed similarly in a lot of games, as town and scum that way.

[Flavor Leaf]

I am extremely easy to read late game. It’s why most of my scum games I need to end early and with my teammates, and when it comes down to just me on a scum team, it gets a little rough. I’ve only been to 3p lylo as scum once.

I also self meta as town and scum up the wazoo.

Frogger and I have a hydra named Self Meta

[Flavor Leaf]

Why wouldn’t I try to bait the hammer?

[Flavor Leaf]

boom, I get a scum read somewhere, whether it be the faux-hammerer or someone who reacts to said faux hammer push.

I like to incite reactions in people. Agendas and genuine thought process come straight out during legitimate disagreements.

[Flavor Leaf]

why would a "hammer" in this situation be meaningful?

Because I can push whoever was opportunistic and still be alive, and then people would react to that.

As you did.

[Flavor Leaf]

Lol, just lynch me. Idk how to defend myself here. I’ve done too much stupid stuff.

Imma flip VT, not a PR. It’s fine.

[Flavor Leaf]

Plus, it’s kind of humorous to quicklynch me Day 1.

[Flavor Leaf]

@cheetory - this was his last game with me. It was one of my overposting arguments y’all know and love. I’m just at work all day, and technically could be here to put the effort forth, but probably not best. I act, so i don’t want it to affect my performances

[Flavor Leaf]

I guess I forgot the link.

viewtopic.php?f=11&t=75231

In that game, he also said things like “why am i in this game”

[Flavor Leaf]

I’m really good at fabricating cases when I’m scum, not so much as town

[Flavor Leaf]

I'd settle for you making actual cases if you were town, you don't have to fabricate them.

Or really doing anything.

Yeah, but my actual cases as scum are better and would be seen as better than my town cases would. So that’s NAI of me making actual cases

[Flavor Leaf]

I’ll get to some stuff when i’m Not in a dungeon

[Flavor Leaf]

Flavor Leaf you play substantially less well than last game I played with you and im more and more inclined to believe you're scum

That’s a town tell for me. I play substantially better as scum.

[Flavor Leaf]

Saudade(4)

~ Flavor Leaf(27), MagnaOfIllusion(11), Gamma Emerald(41), Hoopla(15)

Flavor Leaf(4)

~ implosion(19), GreyIce(20), Saudade(31), Cheetory6(28)

MagnaOfIllusion(2)

~ CultOfAthena(14), Erika Furudo(30)

Hoopla(1)

~ StefanB(5)

Saudade wagon seems kind of transparently scum-driven, at least going off my current reads.

That gives me pause, actually.

Yeah, its kind of weird. Why are people following me? I always think when I’m town scum pushes where I push, but i don’t know where scum would be there.

[Flavor Leaf]

I"m willing to unvote Flavor in order to vote any of the other 3 easy wagoners on me

But then again you're playing differently than in our first game together so I'm not quite sure what to make of it yet..

I’m not the IC this game.

[Flavor Leaf]

meh

Unvote

VOTE: MoI

Get that vote back on me or so help me! So help me!

[Flavor Leaf]

After sleeping on it, I'm back to preferring Flavor Leaf over Saudade. Too much

"wah wah woe is me"

and

"Ah, but I wouldn't actually play scum that way"

posts, not to mention the weird goading people into attacking him then claiming it was a Trap™. If he's scum, cool, if he's town, no big deal. He'll probably just radiate other flavours of bad plays tomorrow, and then before you know it, he'll be requesting votes and laying traps in LYLO. Alright, maybe that last bit is an exaggeration, but for real, lets just nip it in the bud now.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Flavor Leaf

Nah, I’m a late game town powerhouse. Day 1’s are my fuckaround days

[Flavor Leaf]

@gamma - idk what questions you’re talking about

[Flavor Leaf]

I’m town reading Implosion for his explanation on why he’s town reading Saudade.

Because of that.

VOTE: Hoopla

Call it OMGUS, but the post he voted me on seemed like it’s coming from a deep scum agenda.

[Flavor Leaf]

They’re setting themselves up to get away with a mislynch, and keeping Saudade also in arms reach.

[Flavor Leaf]

This helps my Saudade town read grow more.

I actually think saudade is now my biggest town read based on a strong town read’s reasonings, mixed in with wagons.

[Flavor Leaf]

Wait, this is what happened last game. I scum read hard early, then turned and locktown’d him. He was scum.

If that’s the same thing happening, it’s gonna happen again, because I’m hard town reading Saudade now.

[Flavor Leaf]

@gamma - idk what questions you’re talking about

I was asking what Saudade should have known about you

Just me in general. I got in a big 1v2 about not agreeing with a specific playstyle, so you know how that goes.

Was even worse because I town read them, and they kept pushing a lynch on me

[Flavor Leaf]

Lynching Flavor Leaf guarantees a town loss. Even when I’m scum. Kind of a catch 22.

[Flavor Leaf]

The only reason I’m town reading myself is because I saw my role pm. I’m totally the correct lynch here.

I’m scummy af.

Sucks that i’m Town.

[Flavor Leaf]

Lynching Flavor Leaf guarantees a town loss. Even when I’m scum. Kind of a catch 22.

correction: playing in the normal queue guarantees a town loss.

Nah, I win as town in the normal queue.

We as a group of players don’t like a lot of some other “by the book players”, we’re just more accepting than others.

[Flavor Leaf]

I play in all queues, though

[Flavor Leaf]

Lynching Flavor Leaf guarantees a town loss. Even when I’m scum. Kind of a catch 22.

No it doesn't.

Does too.

Look at the last games I was town in and got lynched

And then look at the games I was town in and didn’t.

It’s weird, but it’s true, until proven other wise.

[Flavor Leaf]

Maybe more recently, but I know fora fact you got lynched in mini 1931 and scum lost

Oh, penguin’s game.

Yeah, that’s more of an exception to the rule. That was a long hard faught battle of a game that came down to 3p lylo. That was a good game that i literally was actively trying to scum slip and nobody noticed. That was he game I really started to realize I can gambit hard and have it be fine.

I enjoyed that game a lot

[Flavor Leaf]

I’m town reading Implosion for his explanation on why he’s town reading Saudade.

See Flavor it is stuff like this that makes me want to say "Yeah, just sheep Grey and sort other reads in the Mason QT overnight based on his flip."

I totally get it. Honestly, I just have been posting while in a preoccupied stance, so I’m not entirely sure where to scum hunt at.

I always end up doing things later in games. Day 1’s are my weak spot.

[Flavor Leaf]

@Stefan - it’s a Day 1 tactic. Honestly, just best to ignore me Day 1, and look back on me later. Generally reactions and pushes I get I can sift through later in game, and can solve things. I give all my reads and thoughts still, just in obnoxious fashion.

[Flavor Leaf]

I don’t even try to do it. It just kinda happens.

[Flavor Leaf]

Nope.

[Flavor Leaf]

Lol, everything I said was true, though

[Flavor Leaf]

Just after my lynch, make sure to lynch on my wagon

[Flavor Leaf]

Honestly, I’m not keeping up with this game well. I don’t really have any solidified reads.

I agree with the vig shot on me. (I’ve only been vigged once, and i was scum.) this would be a first.

I believe I am VT, so it wouldn’t be killing a PR and it would get the WIFOM off of me if people think I’m scum.

I’ll double check to make sure that’s my role, because I really don’t remember.

[Flavor Leaf]

If I’m alive, I’ll eventually get invested in this game, but nothing in this Day 1 has gotten me there. I’m not a fan of Day 1’s, though. I make grand entrances in Day 2’s/3’s often.

[Flavor Leaf]

Yeah, I’m VT

[Flavor Leaf]

Yeah, I can link you some town games of mine where my late game got into deep analysis. I’m pretty strong town late game for the most part.

I disagree that I’m being scummy, though. I’m just not playing the game, which is NAI at best, and scum are taking advantage of that somewhere.

I claim stuff like I did in the beginning of games all the time.

[Flavor Leaf]

viewtopic.php?f=53&t=72770

Here’s one where I was extremely inactive (it was a super fast game) and I came in around Day 4 and had some good reads and became obv town. I got night killed the same night.

I’ll give you more when I have More time to search.

[Flavor Leaf]

The funny thing about Erika’s replace out, though, is this game doesn’t even have normal queue regular players, and the ones of us that are aren’t posting much.

[Flavor Leaf]

I think it’s just me, Gamma, and Why, and I didn’t even know Why was in this game.

[Flavor Leaf]

@Implosion - I don’t believe I have many, if any, town games with you.

[Flavor Leaf]

MOI protecting me is townie.
StefanB giving me a chance is townie.

Gamma’s town meta he usually hard town reads me despite everything, so that’s semi fishy.

[Flavor Leaf]

the fuck
you aren't accounting for possible doubt/paranoia from the fact you've dunked me before?

Sure, I am. It’s day 1, though

[Flavor Leaf]

Yeah, hoopla’s just scum.

[Flavor Leaf]

Part of me has just been thinking the scum team is Hoopla, Implosion, Cheetory. I’m not gonna preflip asso, though...so I’ll stick with hoopla.

[Flavor Leaf]

Prism’s hella townie.

I feel like I’m on the right track with my reads I posted this page.

Those guys are making solid points, yes, but it feels like they’re targeting the flaws in town people’s plays rather than scum pushing them, if that makes sense.

[Flavor Leaf]

It’s day 1. I don’t really want to town block, but Iwould defend within that, yes.

[Flavor Leaf]

MOI is townie to me as well, along with Stefan. They’ve been doing some anti scum agenda things, and I don’t think any of the stuff they’ve done gives any sort of town cred in a way where it’s worth it.

[Flavor Leaf]

stefan case feels good but I'm gonna sit on it for a bit

Stefan is town af. They’re just picking his posts apart to make him look bad.

[Flavor Leaf]

@Grey - I’m a late game town powerhouse who completely takes control of games and solves as town.

There was a long amount of time when I was a fear kill and ALWAYS was night killed and it pissed me off, so I had to change my playstyle so I’d be able to live as town.

Nonetheless, I think Grey is town.

There is 100% scum in Hoopla, Cheetory, Implosion. I’m leaning more on the former two, as I see Implosion as a mislynchable player.

[Flavor Leaf]

flavor it's d1 though all of your reads are wrong remember?

I actually have rather strong gut reads as town early, but I can’t really case those because I need more to analyze and fill the puzzle.

[Flavor Leaf]

My day 1 town reads are generally better than my day 1 scum reads, but I go forth with the assumption I am correct as it helps me see things. When things start not to add up, I switch.

[Flavor Leaf]

oh so I should assume you're scum then if your read on me is wrong?

Nah, you should assume I’m town.

[Flavor Leaf]

If I were scum, and you were town, you’d be a hard town read for me, as you’d be easy to hide behind and let you push through the mislynches.

[Flavor Leaf]

okay flavor is town then

This is what I like to hear.

I’ll stay on Hoopla because of this.

[Flavor Leaf]

Oh wow I've literally played with scum Flavor before, I just have to read it again. Makes my life easier.

Which game was this?

[Flavor Leaf]

Why more people should be voting StephanB

I've been watching StephanB since this post. It's a lame entry, but worse than that is the apology. Like he read the medium-length post, realized it was a lame entry to the thread, didn't really want to post more, but felt guilty over that. That's not a behavior I associate with town. It's not a perfect scumtell (bad news, those don't exist) but it makes me notice a person. Now what really started to get to me was this:

Why is the apology weird? I tend to want to apologize in that kind of scenario when I’m town moreso than when I’m scum. Town wants to help out, and if they don’t have any reads, they feel guilty. I don’t understand the reasoning behind this scum tell at all, because if anything it helps me lean town on Stefan. Sure, it can be fabricated, but the sense of it being fabricated still means it would be done to come across as town. Why apologize at all if scum? Why not just fabricate reads?

Okay I believed the L-1 to freely he had 4 votes on him, when he selvoted and claimed. (You can call me an idiot for believing in stated L-1 without checking)
Aside from the reaction I have not yet a real read on Flavour.

I stated reads in my first post today.

The post he admitted was not good. Now, what the hell? Town can make a lame post, town can even reread it and go "wow that's a lame post, sorry", but does town then refer back to it as "my reads post" to answer other people's questions? I'll go over some other things that have been bugging me for quite some time:

Again, why is this scummy rather than townie? Why not just defend the post and try to explain it. Seems like by saying he sees it as some terrible post is him admitting he made a bad post that could come across as scummy. Town make scummy posts all the time.

This epic fence sit.

It's like he realizes Flavor Leaf is playing poorly, but then says "Flavor is obvious messing with us" and "why does Flavor play like he does as scum?"

If Flavor is "obviously messing with us" then why does that make him town? Why does flavor play like that as scum? More to the point, why is he interrogating other people about why flavor does what he does, rather than just asking flavor? It doesn't smell of any scumhunting from Stefan.

So that was bad. What was his response to me voting him?

*thinks Flavor Leaf is playing poorly. I highly disagree. That’s what I want you all to feel. It makes scum think I’m mislynchable when I’m actually likely one of the harder people to lynch on site. You may not like my style, but my style gets results. You have a very biased point of view. This is actually ripping Stefan for what I sense as poor town play that comes across as scummy rather than scum agenda play. I don’t see any scum agenda in Stefan’s play.

Grey: You have pushing the waggon for Flavor all the way to L-1, why stopping now?

Sometimes all you have to do is hold out the noose and see if they stick their head in. For someone who just claimed to have trouble reading Flavor and just claimed to not find the scum motivation for his behavior, it should be GLARINGLY OBVIOUS why I stopped voting him instead of pushing for hammer. Especially when I say this in my vote change post:

This is just simple theory/history of the game.

I'm starting to think Flavor Leaf is just... look, the mods already have it out for me, just insert whatever you want here okay? If god is good, we have a vig, and they nail Flavor Leaf between the eyes, then we don't have to worry about this anymore. Vigs are probably in at least 30% of mini normals, I've got to hope they shoot flavor leaf of all people.

This just feels like "why can't you make today easy?"

They likely won’t and really have no reason too. I believe I’m adding a good amount of quality posts lately, proving your entire projecting and attempt at discrediting moot.

[Flavor Leaf]

The difference is with all the “factual players” here, if you make all the cases you have been, then you also have to ask yourself the question, “could they have just done all this as town...?”

Usually the answer is yes. Most everything can be explained by that.

[Flavor Leaf]

Gamma, why haven't you voted anyone for the last 5 pages?

because I'm not sure where I want to vote. A lot of the cases I've seen sound pretty good.

Just sheep me.

[Flavor Leaf]

Kind of baffled that implosion feels good about me not trying right now.
Lol.

Towniest thing I’ve seen cheetory say in a while.

[Flavor Leaf]

Can't believe Flavor isnt getting lynched today, sigh

I am obvtown

[Flavor Leaf]

The players on the Stefan wagon are strong enough players that they should be seeing that stefan is town.

I think GreyIce is just playing incredibly suboptimal.

At least one of Cheetory/Implosion likely are scum, and the other got pocketed by the other.

And MOI is just MOI. I’m currently town reading here, but yeah.

[Flavor Leaf]

I guess GreyIce playing suboptimal could just mean he’s scum, but I just think he’s town playing suboptimal atm.

[Flavor Leaf]

The fact that Hoopla isn’t getting more attention shows Stefan is town. If Stefan were scum, this Hoopla wagon would be taking off more due to scum buddies, but it shows that scum is okay with Stefan being lynched.

[Flavor Leaf]

at least one of flavor leaf and moi must be scum because flavor leaf is calling moi town and that means that moi must be either scum or town and flavor must be either town or scum.

These would be the options, yes.

[Flavor Leaf]

I actually do like Grey analyzing the Flavor wagon, though. Big reason i’m Town reading there and thinking his pushes are just suboptimal rather than scum.

To be fair, his company on the wagon might have a good amount to do with it. They’re very sheepable people.

[Flavor Leaf]

basically as rigorous of reasoning as just calling one of implosion and i scum because we think each other are town.

More from wagon composition and scum pushes. Your interactions with each other don’t really affect my reads too much. I’m pretty sure I’ve talked about this...

[Flavor Leaf]

this is also one of those times that it would be great if stefan could be scum and flavor could be town so i can get to be incredibly indignant at the high and mighty attitude postgame.
i guess i at least get to do that postgame with the read on me if flavor is town.

I’m not against the idea of you being town. It’s why I’m not voting you. I could see you being town.

[Flavor Leaf]

@Cheet - what’s your read on MOI?

[Flavor Leaf]

Other than him being either town or scum.

[Flavor Leaf]

Other than him being either town or scum.

well he surely has to be one of them, no?

[i honestly dont think my opinion on him really matters right now. theres basically nothing behind it.]

And that in itself is an opinion on him. Answer works enough.

[Flavor Leaf]

I'm pretty sure I'm good on my implosion vote. Haven't liked his reaction to my points one bit. Prism makes me feel weird. Hoopla is a good second ATM. Need to read cult and saud more

Are you okay with the fact that Hoopla is Implosion's second pick for a lynch target too?

That’s incredibly scummy of Implosion moreso than Hiraki.


I’m getting to the point where the Hoopla wagon and the Implosion wagon need to come together on one of them.

Implosion staying Hoopla is his number two, yet doing nothing to go further with that is classic “bus a buddy, vote a townie)

[Flavor Leaf]

Can't believe Flavor isnt getting lynched today, sigh

I am obvtown

You are many things but claiming to be obvtown just highlights your insecurity about your own (scum) role

I could have a cop guilty on me and still not be insecure if I was scum.

But I’m just town and obv town

[Flavor Leaf]

The fact that Hoopla isn’t getting more attention shows Stefan is town. If Stefan were scum, this Hoopla wagon would be taking off more due to scum buddies, but it shows that scum is okay with Stefan being lynched.

Since you are scum, this means less than nothing.

Well, you just are playing incredibly suboptimal, so your reads don’t really mean much.

Thoughts on Cheetory coming over on to Hoopla?

[Flavor Leaf]

“Think”

Also, GreyIce posts a post from post #78.

Like I said, suboptimal.

Also, Grey is accusing me of the same exact thing they were doing earlier.

And now he’s talking about my scum game being poor. LOL.

I had a 2+ year undefeated scum streak, and I am known to have a strong enough scum game where people just expect the tin foil theories.

Literally, I’ve had people state that it’s hard to catch ScumBoon without a guilty.

And my town game is stronger than my scum game, I just actively make it look like it isn’t early game.

I believe I have played rather well this day phase, though, and I can’t say the same about your play.

You literally just tried to use a page 2 read as a reason to try and discredit. You accused me of the same exact thing you were doing before. NOBODY should be sheeping you.

[Flavor Leaf]

And my town game is stronger than my scum game

uh

I believe I have played rather well this day phase, though, and I can’t say the same about your play.

uhhhhhhhhh

I mean, you’ve went on to Hoopla with me. If you’re town, I haven’t voted you. I’m keeping it open, as a player of your ability, that would always be kept for consideration Day 1.

My history in games speaks for itself that I get results despite my rather unorthodox style of play that isn’t necessarily favorable by part of the site.

[Flavor Leaf]

And Cheetory, this is why you're voting with a scumbag. Look at what happens when I ask him to vocalize why Hoopla is scum. A wall post about how awesome he is and how bad I suck. Anything on why Hoopla is scum? Nope.

Still want to be voting with him?

I’ve already explained my reasonings, and that fact that you aren’t criticizing Cheetory shows I’m wrong about town reading you or your play is even more suboptimal.cheetory knows how to play the game.

I was moreso giving reasons to why the wagon compositions made Stefan town, and how people were picking apart town flawed plays rather than scum pushing.

[Flavor Leaf]

One thinks.

1. If you are scum, would you post that you were scum?

To answer this question, yes, and I have in games, multiple times, and have won that game, because people that play like you eat up that stuff.

[Flavor Leaf]

One thinks.

1. If you are scum, would you post that you were scum?

To answer this question, yes, and I have in games, multiple times, and have won that game, because people that play like you eat up that stuff.

Especially if it’s a player you enjoy.

[Flavor Leaf]

its also kind of what that youre criticizing grey for referencing a post from page 2 if it's the last place you elaborated on anything specific about hoopla
he literally made a point of saying "this is the last time flavor explained his read there before the vote".

p-edit: i dont really know what i want in this game right now sorry.
):

im just being disappointing.

pp-edit: you were also known as "guy who hammers whenever anyone is at l-1" for a very long time.
implosion described you as anti-town utility regardless of your alignment and nobody batted an eyelid at that.
lol.

like, you can hype your scumgame a little because its hard to lynch you.
but your towngame has been pretty spotty.

Oh, yeah, I won’t bat an eyelid off of that. But nobody can say I don’t play towards my wincon. Even when I’m doing the so called “anti-town” utility stuff, I’m still actively trying to help town win. I have to stay mislynch bait, or I get fucked. Plus, when people push me like that, it helps me get reads on them very well.

Which is why when it gets to later in the games, and I hard step up and gamesolve, people are like, yep, he’s obv town, and scum rarely can do much about it.

There’s a reason that I have only been vigged once in my 4 years on site. And I was scum the game I was vigged.

[Flavor Leaf]

QUOTE THE FUCKING POST

DO IT FLAVOR

DO IT

OR THIS IS A DEATH TUNNEL AND I WILL FUCKING END YOU

I mean, you’re pushing a policy. Suboptimal of you, yet again.

[Flavor Leaf]

but claiming to be obvtown just highlights your insecurity about your own (scum) role

dont make me repeat myself again

Even if I was scum, and you 100% knew I was scum, I wouldn’t be insecure.

I’m more insecure as town than scum.

I’m the biggest bs’er and I’ve stopped putting merit in my scum game in place of attempting to get away with crazy stuff. Still play to win, but yeah.

Would you like it if I was cockier, Saudade? I can get cockier.

[Flavor Leaf]

This is not "policy." You lied. You lied, because you are scum, and because you are scum you are still trying to spin this.

You lied, Flavor. You cannot quote any post with any reasons. Feel free to prove me wrong.

What Implosion said.

Also, I stopped caring enough to read your fluffy fabricated posts that have no merit and aren’t AI.

Also, meta shows I bend the truth more as town than scum, so...

But nonetheless, What Implosion said.

Idk if that’s an attempt from ScumPlosion to try and get me to come around on him. It’s enough for me to not want to go there for the day, though, so implosion, grays on that if you’re scum.

[Flavor Leaf]

Also, meta shows I bend the truth more as town than scum, so...

if this is true you could always
just
stop doing that as town?

But it catches scum, and people generally end up seeing why I did such things.

[Flavor Leaf]

Idk if that’s an attempt from ScumPlosion

you literally just got out of a game where implosion got roflstomped as your scumbuddy.
did you really think that hes playing the same here that he was there?

I wasn’t even in the game at that time.

And I barely was in that game for the second day phase.

I wasn’t like lock scum before getting in that game

[Flavor Leaf]

Eh. If I were scum, I’d talk my way out of this.

Even Cheetory stated it’s hard to lynch me.

As town, I just don’t care to.

[Flavor Leaf]

Okay, you won't mind if I don't give your lack of ability to explain your blatant lie much credence.

And I notice through all this flailing you still haven't bothered to explain your read.

As long as you don’t mind that I see your play as incredibly suboptimal town play.

If you’re scum, sure, you’re doing fine. Not great, but fine.

Town, barking up the wrong tree.

[Flavor Leaf]

Can you just address his question and stop talking about him? Is that possible?

I actually think it helps show how Town on Town we are. What was his question again?

[Flavor Leaf]

I don’t understand the lie either.

Where did I lie?

Seems like something I’d do, but just not entirely sure where.

I’ve contradicted myself multiple times this game. I do this as town because I play mafia very fluidly. Sometimes reads change in the span of three posts even.

[Flavor Leaf]

Sometimes I read something as town, and nothing can change, and I can change my mind about it and decide I’m scum reading it. :shrug:

I’m fluid.

[Flavor Leaf]

Can you just address his question and stop talking about him? Is that possible?

I actually think it helps show how Town on Town we are. What was his question again?

Hi friends, this is no joke. This is his actual motivation. He doesn't want to get his scumread lynched, he wants to appear more town.

Sure. What happens when I flip town?

[Flavor Leaf]

There’s scum in Hoopla, Cheetory, and Implosion. 100 Hundo based on wagons.

Cheetory and Implosion have both played up where I see them as better off giving them time, and they aren’t optimal.

StefanB scum pushes are bad.

It’s cool you don’t care about that one at all anymore, though.

My town read on Grey is gone. I don’t believe Grey is this poor a player.

[Flavor Leaf]

In that unlikely event? We ignore your Hoopla read because you never explained it (despite claiming you did). We ignore your other reads, because you never bother to explain them either. The volume of spam vastly decreases, and the game improves.

Now in the event you're scum? All that, we gain more insight into Hoopla's alignment, and oh yeah - dead scum.

Seems like a winner is me.

And Cheetory, this is why you're voting with a scumbag. Look at what happens when I ask him to vocalize why Hoopla is scum. A wall post about how awesome he is and how bad I suck. Anything on why Hoopla is scum? Nope.

Still want to be voting with him?

I’ve already explained my reasonings...

This post completely sets ScumHoopla/Grey up to push a mislynch through me, then ignore my reads after flip.

[Flavor Leaf]

I have no interest in a 1v1 with Grey right now, though.

As soon as he brought up the “my motivation for doing so was the Town/Town thing”

That came off as reverse reasoning.

Probably what he’s doing. Not gonna push that, but that’s gonna be fun to see in hindsight.

[Flavor Leaf]

cute that you picked Hoopla

It’s the correct lynch. I’m a little timid about it considering both Cheetory and Implosion went on it, but the Grey posting’s made me more secure. Especially since the others on me are Gamma and Saudade.


As of this moment, I’m guessing Grey/Hoopla/Gamma.

I don’t expect that to be correct, but if I get that right, imma still take credit for it.

[Flavor Leaf]

Quit chainsawing.

[Flavor Leaf]

Hey, could you explain your Hoopla read?

Wagon composition

[Flavor Leaf]

Lol

[Flavor Leaf]

Wait, were you heated up?

I thought it was pretty tame and we were like laughing with it, like the “HAHAHAfuckoff,you scum dude, but nice try” kind of way

[Flavor Leaf]

CoA actually did give me some pause on Hoopla.

[Flavor Leaf]

I thought we had decent conversation.

[Flavor Leaf]

implosion/saudade we need you on this wagon so all of flavor's scumreads can be on it at once

VOTE: Cult

:shrug:

[Flavor Leaf]

1964 - VT claim, 2-shot BP claim, lynch on an unclaimed mafioso
1961 - No claims at all, lynch on an unclaimed VT
1954 - Neighbouriser claim, lynch on town neighbouriser
1952 - VT claim, lynch on VT
1951 - Non-Consecutive Night JK claims, lynch on an unclaimed VT
1948 - No claims at all, lynch on an unclaimed 2-shot Friendly Neighbour (lol)
1946 - Miller claim, VT claim, lynch on VT
1943 - Watcher claim, 1-shot Dayvig softclaim, lynch on Mafia Watcher
1940 - No claims at all, lynch on an unclaimed VT
1938 - Doctor fakeclaim (actually a VT lol), lynch on an unclaimed VT
1934 - Vig claim, Jailkeeper softclaim, Unspecified "Town PR" claim, town run out of time for a lynch (lol)
1931 - VT claim, lynch on VT

This is fucking horrifying, and a good indication this queue should have some basic housecleaning.

I’ve abused this pretty hard as scum.

[Flavor Leaf]

VOTE: Cult

:shrug:

lol. how can you not be okay with the stefan wagon based on composition but be fine with this?

I don’t like this composition really, but I didn’t like Cult’s vote and made me uneasy about the Hoopla wagon.

This is the epitome of a compromise wagon. But I think it’s telling

[Flavor Leaf]

CoA actually did give me some pause on Hoopla.

[Flavor Leaf]

VOTE: Cult

:shrug:

lol. how can you not be okay with the stefan wagon based on composition but be fine with this?

Because I accept that this is Day 1 and I could be wrong, so if I look at the game from another side, I at least can understand suspicion on Cult.

[Flavor Leaf]

I’d rather have a null-lean scum read lynched than a town read, and I’m a little done with day 1 as well

[Flavor Leaf]

CoA actually did give me some pause on Hoopla.

And this is where I prove MOI completely wrong.

I’ve already pointed this out.

[Flavor Leaf]

I don’t call them Cult, I say CoA.

[Flavor Leaf]

I don’t actually remember our scum game together, but after you saying that it seems vaguely familiar

[Flavor Leaf]

I think that Cheetory was actually a rather poor kill that seems like it would be a good kill, if that makes sense.

[Flavor Leaf]

@Gamma - I kill of my threats, though. Cheetory wasn’t pushing me at all and was even going along with my pushes.

I feel someone saw them as a strong player and decided to kill them off.

[Flavor Leaf]

I would shoot the hell out of Grey and do the basic “that’s why he died, duh!” gimmick, and nobody would bat an eye

[Flavor Leaf]

I’m actually thinking Hoopla is town now.

[Flavor Leaf]

@Gamma - I understand why you stated the off wagon thing. I don’t think that was dumb. But because of who Cheetory is, how he was stances, I don’t necessarily think that’s the right path to go off of.

[Flavor Leaf]

Grey, Hoopla, Prism, stefan all seem town to me.

I don’t feel like Cult/Stefan are likely partners. I feel scum are totally okay with them coming across as partners, though, but that’s pretty surface level.

[Flavor Leaf]

Someone fence sitting me right now is scum, and it’s coming from an experienced player.

My gut screams ImplosionScum, but my gut is also screaming that I’m wrong about that.

I need to sync up with Grey, I think

[Flavor Leaf]

viewtopic.php?f=53&t=74658 - scum game. One of my recent ish ones. I’ve had one more, but I replaced into it, and slot was basically done anyways, and I hardcore fucked around.

What game was that town game you linked?

[Flavor Leaf]

To comment on that town game you linked, the majority of those posts are later in the game.

I believe I lurked out the majority of Day 1 for that game, and I was mainly only doing my table gimmick thing that i gave up on.

If you want to check some of my scum games, it shows I don’t like to bus aimlessly, and generally not Day 1.

My scum game benefits a lot from keeping my buddies around even at the cost of hard defending them sometimes.

[Flavor Leaf]

Also, I feel like Piplup was trying to warlock Grey, but Grey’s reads had changed a little, and he’s not as loud as he was before.

[Flavor Leaf]

Also, I feel like Piplup was trying to warlock Grey, but Grey’s reads had changed a little, and he’s not as loud as he was before.

What does "warlock" mean?

Basically, a very specific form of buddying. You’re the one in the back controlling a strong monster that’s completely doing your bidding, and doing the work for you.

If that’s the case, then I was mistaken about that happening with you.

[Flavor Leaf]

I thought you were hard pushing Stefan/Flavor, which Grey was loudly doing yesterday, which as scum, would reinforce that idea and have Grey be the one to push it through to take the blunt of the blame in a mislynch

[Flavor Leaf]

I thought you were hard pushing Stefan/Flavor, which Grey was loudly doing yesterday, which as scum, would reinforce that idea and have Grey be the one to push it through to take the blunt of the blame in a mislynch

I was asked for my thoughts after a lynch had been achieved. How did you think I was "hard pushing" anything?

Simple. I’m at work, and I don’t read thoroughly. Skim reading. I have a lot of downtime at work, but not enough where more than skimming will be happening.

[Flavor Leaf]

That seems likely incredibly flimsy reasoning. And, if true, you should probably dedicate more time to making sure you are reading accurately. Much like Prism.

Think I want Flavor Leaf more than StefanB now.

VOTE: Flavor Leaf

Why? I’m not scum trying to cover anything up. I’m just saying things how it is.

This is a lazy push.

Also, when realized I read incorrectly, I backtracked.

You, however, are using it as a crutch.

[Flavor Leaf]

You started to feel the pressure of my Third Degree Boon, and you started pushing me because you felt that, and I hadn’t completely committed to it, even though it wasn’t incredibly obvious I was leaning scum on you.

[Flavor Leaf]

@MOI - don’t 1v1 with Grey, please. I don’t necessarily think you are scum, but I don’t really feel like hard defending Grey, and I town read him strong enough that I would be passionately defending him

[Flavor Leaf]

It's not a crutch. D2 for me is between StefanB, you, and MagnaofIllusion. You have given me the most reason to vote between those for now, though I am waiting on MagnaofIllusion to respond.

I still believe it is between you and StefanB though.

Nothing’s changed since before. You chose to switch based off of pressure on you. That is the crutch.

[Flavor Leaf]

You started to feel the pressure of my Third Degree Boon, and you started pushing me because you felt that, and I hadn’t completely committed to it, even though it wasn’t incredibly obvious I was leaning scum on you.

What does this even mean? Read my post above for timing on my read on you. Again. Please read before commenting.

I don’t care about your read. I care about the action. The timing of your read, and action and the things in between is why I figured out you are scum.

[Flavor Leaf]

Honestly, it didn’t even matter what you said. It was more of a “the way it was said” and the actions taken up on it.

You chose to change to help out a scum agenda rather than actual reads.

[Flavor Leaf]

Saudade said unless my tone changes, but I believe my tone has changed multiple times throughout this game

[Flavor Leaf]

I said uh scum scum, scummity scum, Piplup is super scum.

[Flavor Leaf]

They’re fence sitting with Saudade now and Saud/FL is a mislynch string.

[Flavor Leaf]

And just like the tattoo on my chest, it’s a triangle now. Mislynch triangle they have setup

[Flavor Leaf]

This ain’t no defensive tone. Im all offense

I’m glass cannon right now

[Flavor Leaf]

Making your latest point completely moot


All offense! All the time!

Anyone who says I kept the same tone all game is just plain wrong

[Flavor Leaf]

@Piplup - If Saudade is scum, I think you’d be town, but Ithink there’s a chance of Saudade just being newtown.

However, agenda wise, Saudade is scummy af, but I defend that in the too scummy to be scum, which isn’t really good.

I’d be willing to go Saudade over Piplup, because a truly least Piplup has some sort of seemingly town agenda. I just thought it wasn’t projecting.

[Flavor Leaf]

Also, Saudade has like one scum read and fence sat the act of voting for ever, and then actions that didn’t even line up with his reasoning made him go the move.

VOTE: Saudade

That last move alone is what made me reanalyze everything. That’s a scum motivated move Saude played.

[Flavor Leaf]

ALL OFFENSE ALL THE TIME TONE SWITCH DAT

[Flavor Leaf]

I said uh scum, scum, scummity scum, uh scum scum scummity scum!

[Flavor Leaf]

Lol, im not even nervous when i’m scum and I have a guilty on me.

And I always read off the situation. Scum have to react to situations, so when I read situations and analyze them, i can see where scum is.

Your push is incredibly fabricated and forced, so you are most likely scum based on the fact you aren’t even really trying to solve anything, you’re just forcing pushes.

[Flavor Leaf]

I’m at work, and can’t be on nonstop. i have down time but it comes and goes.

[Flavor Leaf]

@Grey - you might be correct on MOI. MOI made a pseudo push on me, and Piplup/Saudade are now also forcing pushes on me.

I could see MOI being scum with one of them.

[Flavor Leaf]

I think Piplup likely makes more sense than Saudade. Saudade is probably just irritating aimlessly tunneling town.

VOTE: Piplup

[Flavor Leaf]

Okay, well, I don’t care enough right now to defend myself.

Just listen to my reads after and look at the scumminess of who jumped on me.

[Flavor Leaf]

@MOI - just did, not really sure what.

If I was scum, I would be able to explain it. That’s my strongest part when i’m Scum, the ability to bs.

I just don’t have any interest in defending against people who dont look at logistics and just tunnel.

No matter what i would say would be pushed as scum, even though I have an inno.

[Flavor Leaf]

@MOI - I switched again based on this wagon composition forming.

Piplup, Saudade, Stefan has scum in it.

I’m town reading Grey pretty hard, but he could just be really good at coming across as insanely ignorant town. I’d bet on that not being the case, however if he is scum, good plays.

[Flavor Leaf]

Also, it’s obvious where my inno is, but again, people aren’t good at comprehension.

[Flavor Leaf]

Good chance I’m still just VT doing that.

[Flavor Leaf]

I didn’t soft claim cop. I soft claimed an inno. And i hard claimed it basically

[Flavor Leaf]

I at least try to work with people, even scum reads, because unlike most people, I understand my reads can be wrong. I just need to understand why or have stuff happen to figure that out.

Too many towns don’t care about that, and it costs a lot of towns victory. Working with scum reads is a great way to figure out if you are right or wrong, and you can go from that.

[Flavor Leaf]

(I believe you work with your scum reads, MOI, that’s why it came up.

[Flavor Leaf]

Ive been trying to look at why exactly I’m being pushed, and any reason i could find can just be canceled out with an “yeah, you’re right, that happened. It’s just coming from TownMe.” And I believe a big reason for mislynches with town’s nowadays is because people don’t look things through from a town perspective, because people don’t try to actually town hunt. I have a heavy town hunting playstyle, that people find weird, but it’s inherently townie, yet people see that as inherently scummy for some reason.

I just state my thoughts.

[Flavor Leaf]

I think I know which player he is claiming to have an Ino on, but before I trust that, I want to have it out what the ino is. An INO as VT is not worth much.

If I had an Inno, I wouldn’t be claiming VT. I claimed VT yesterday to backtrack my PR claim so I wouldn’t get roleblocked/killed by scum.

But this is blatant rolefishing.

[Flavor Leaf]

I think I know which player he is claiming to have an Ino on, but before I trust that, I want to have it out what the ino is. An INO as VT is not worth much.

If I had an Inno, I wouldn’t be claiming VT. I claimed VT yesterday to backtrack my PR claim so I wouldn’t get roleblocked/killed by scum.

But this is blatant rolefishing.

Nope, not when someone claims VT and an INO on the same page. Then its just addresing the elefant in the room.

Fair enough.

I’m not VT, though, but it’s well known that I claim a lot of different things as town, so me doing this messes with scum’s minds.

I’ll give a hint to my inno, so at least someone will be able to pass on my inno if I die.

Lanky Kong, from the N64 game, DK64.

[Flavor Leaf]

So basically the exact same reads as me minus the Piplup scum read.

Wait, you’re voting Pip. Nevermind. Same exact reads.

[Flavor Leaf]

Usually when people are calling my play gross, it’s a town tell. I wish Mulch would come into this game, and see how obvtown I am.

[Flavor Leaf]

Or my Eddie.

[Flavor Leaf]

I have an extremely easy time as scum when I play with a lot of players like the ones here, and I have a terrible time as town because people can’t comprehend certain things and only look a thing black and white. Mafia’s fluid, yo.

This being said, I actually do think players like MOI and Implosion are rather strong town, who I’d deal with early as scum. Never seen MOI’s scum game, but hopefully I will one day.

[Flavor Leaf]

With Implosion, I still think there’s some black and White thinking there, but he’s at least able to realize that.

Basically, Implosion comes off as a grumpy old grandpa.

[Flavor Leaf]

I’m actually probably gonna replace. I feel that level of toxicity coming.

[Flavor Leaf]

I heated myself up moreso than any of you guys.

To be fair, Saudade should know that, as town, and when I’m being hard pushed like this for seemingly no reason, I can call out my town reads on said people still. He was scum in a game where the exact same thing happened.

I just think he’s NewbTown, though who won a scum game recently, so big headed.

GreyIce is just playing poor town, but I generally like GreyIce’s playstyle, and they make good points in between their tunneling.

Piplup is super scummy, and the way Erika was talking made it seem like they didn’t want to play a scum game with “normal queue players” even though I wouldn’t call at least 9 of the players here as Normal Queue players.

[Flavor Leaf]

Imma just spout any thoughts I have out, because what else am I gonna do.

People don’t listen to their scum reads anyways because they auto assume they’re right with no facts to back them up.

[Flavor Leaf]

Implosion is town because of agenda.
MOI stalls a lot when he doesn’t have to, so he isn’t pushing scum agenda.
Saudade in the last scum game, he found ways to go onto other wagons and make sense of it, so his tunneling looks more like newbtown than scum to me.

[Flavor Leaf]

Prism was townie to me a lot yesterday. I felt confident about townPrism then, and nothing else hasn’t popped out that made me think differently. Nothings really changed here, i generally have just been going with Prism is town when I read their posts.

Hiraki could go either way. I don’t really have a read here.

[Flavor Leaf]

Gamma’s likely town. This is a soul read for me, though.

[Flavor Leaf]

Gamma likes to push me when I’m scum, and no doubt would be on me right now if they were scum.

[Flavor Leaf]

So on my POE list, it leaves Piplup, Stefan, Hiraki.

[Flavor Leaf]

official vote count 1.2

Saudade: Flavour Leaf, MagnaOfIllusion, Gamma Emerald, Hoopla

Flavour Leaf: implosion, GreyIce, Saudade, Cheetory6

MagnaOfIllusion: Erika Futuro

Hoopla: StefanB

With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch

because I still have not gotten a replacement for floosh so I will add 1 day to the deadline. day one officially ends in 15 days on April 15, 11:50 PST

For me to believe that, that means that the Saudade/Flavor wagons here would have to be all town.

So the thing that stands out to me here is MOI on Saudade, then Erika being on MOI. I’m going to look a little further into vote counts to see what else is there.

This makes me want to look back at my Piplup/Saudade team.

[Flavor Leaf]

Piplup is super scummy, and the way Erika was talking made it seem like they didn’t want to play a scum game with “normal queue players” even though I wouldn’t call at least 9 of the players here as Normal Queue players.

You are making a lot of noise because you are being scum read.

One question: If I am lynched and flip town, will you concede that you are scum (and vote yourself)?

If so, we can end today right now. I'm am 100% no doubt that you are scum.

I believe someone stated this game that a good way to get 50 pages in a game was to scum read me when I’m town, so that’s where your argument becomes moot. It’s pretty common for me to make a lot of noise when I’m town and getting pushed to lynch.

[Flavor Leaf]

I wouldn’t take that deal, because I am town.

[Flavor Leaf]

Votecount 1.5

Flavor Leaf(5)

~ Hoopla(24), Saudade(73), Gamma Emerald(67), implosion(44), Cheetory6(40)

implosion(2)

~ MagnaOfIllusion(25), Hiraki(14)

StefanB(1)

~ GreyIce(37)

Prism(1)

~ Erika Furudo(50)

MagnaOfIllusion(1)

~ CultOfAthena(22)

Hoopla(1)

~ Flavor Leaf(57)

CultOfAthena(1)

~ Prism(6)


Not Voting (1): StefanB(20)

With 13 alive it takes 7 to lynch.

Day 1 deadline is in (expired on 2018-04-18 00:26:59)

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This is also interesting to me, because I don’t believe that I didn’t have scum on me.

This makes me lean towards Hiraki/Saudade, but I’m feeling more confident in my earlier POE.

[Flavor Leaf]

Piplup is super scummy, and the way Erika was talking made it seem like they didn’t want to play a scum game with “normal queue players” even though I wouldn’t call at least 9 of the players here as Normal Queue players.

You are making a lot of noise because you are being scum read.

One question: If I am lynched and flip town, will you concede that you are scum (and vote yourself)?

If so, we can end today right now. I'm am 100% no doubt that you are scum.

This is actually really poor play if you do end up as town, and weak-mediocre scum tactic to discredit.

As town, what would you like me to do? I feel exactly this, right?

“You’re not town, so doesn’t matter!!!” = k, then that’s just incredibly shallow, surface level play by you then, and you should really work on the way you think, because that’s incredibly poor play.

[Flavor Leaf]

No you're not.

You are doing almost nothing but talking about what you do as town and as mafia in other games. You are calling Saudade newbtown but conveniently leaving out that I am also new to this site. You started buddying up to implosion when he said you were being bad with your play. You're starting to drown.

I'm happy to be today's lynch if the rest of town can agree on lynching this scumbutt tomorrow.

I don’t drown even when I’m guiltied as scum...i can literally link games where I spout so much bs after a guilty came out, and then come out laughing about it.

Implosion literally just saw that happen (i wasn’t guiltied there, but I may as well have been )

I had stated Implosion was a town read for a bit now, so that’s an inaccurate post.

[Flavor Leaf]

Also, if I end up being the lynch, and then I flip town, I expect you to do the same.

[Flavor Leaf]

I'm to going to go one-on-one with you because it's pointless.

It was down to you or Stefan for me, and your play makes absolutely no sense as town, while Stefan is actually looking at the game rather than his own self-preservation.

(note: I found it funny that you commented on players reading comprehension given your's yesterday)

You can keep using superlatives to (help?) your case, but I'm not responding to them. If you do this as town regularly, I would suggest you stop.

Nah, I have a lot of success as town playing the way I do, and there’s a good amount of players who know how to read it very well. Certain types of players just can’t handle.

However, here Piplup is statingthat it came down to either Stefan or myself, which implies they are going for a mislynch rather than finding scum, as there would be multiple scum left.

[Flavor Leaf]

Also, if I end up being the lynch, and then I flip town, I expect you to do the same.

100% I will.

And this is not a town thing to do.

[Flavor Leaf]

They are also trying to have me stop analyzing, which is inherently scum orientated. Even if I was scum, it benefits to have me do that for association tells.

But as town, it’s good to get out all of my thoughts so people can see if I do in fact end up dying.

[Flavor Leaf]

They are also trying to have me stop analyzing, which is inherently scum orientated. Even if I was scum, it benefits to have me do that for association tells.

But as town, it’s good to get out all of my thoughts so people can see if I do in fact end up dying.

I have a pronoun. If you could be a polite person and refer to me as a person rather than a thing, that would be great.

I haven't asked you to stop doing anything, except posting every single thought your brain thinks. That clutters and causes confusion, which is scum-oriented.

I said they. It was referring to the gamestate...you’re just looking for things to paint me in a bad picture.

But I’ve been looking more and I think you’re just horrible town than scum.

[Flavor Leaf]

I also disagree with that.

[Flavor Leaf]

I also disagree with that.

Disagree with it causes clutter and confusion. While posting a lot can lead to disinterest, I’d rather have my thoughts be out there and completely transparent, and there’s been multiple games where people have used my reads and posts after I die, so I will continue to analyze. You choosing not to take it in is bad town or scum, and aim starting to lean more towards the town side.

[Flavor Leaf]

I wasn’t referring to just you with it. It was in reference to the entire game. Why the hell would I say “it” for a pronoun? That’s incredibly offensive, and if I get the incorrect pronouns for people, it’s because I haven’t looked at their pronoun of choice.

I work in SF, an a theatre major, and live near Oakland. I’m extremely against people who are rude about that kind of thing and feel terrible about if I ever mistakenly use the wrong pronoun. If I said it like that, I would own up to it.

[Flavor Leaf]

Good town when you flip scum.

I. Do. Not. Care. About. Your. Other. Games.

I care about what you are doing here.

K, then fuck off. It’s pointless to converse with me here. I know I’m town, and if you aren’t scum then you’re playing incredibly shallow minded. Simple as that, and you can wait until actual flips to comment on it.

And i don’t give a fuck if you don’t care about other games. I do. Deal with it.

[Flavor Leaf]

Hiraki wasn’t in my POE list. I’d like them there in place of Piplup.

[Flavor Leaf]

I do want to point out for future reference this:

The interaction between Erika and COA was paper thin. Paper fucking thin.

I remember the first game I played with you, you drove me nuts. It was ASOIF and I hated everything you posted. It was nonsensical, it was absurdist, reading it made my eyes bleed. None of it made a lick of sense. I didn't understand how someone could write so much and analyze so little.

Then I played other games with you and you became one of my favorite players. Deep thoughts, good analysis, really, really centered play that pointed out things I never thought of. Like things I wouldn't have thought of in a week of analysis. The difference was night and day. Or, if you will, green and red.

Vote: MagnaofIllusion

If I were at a computer I’d point out for everyone to see how those interactions are not partners. But phone posting means I’ll put it succinctly - this reaction is over the top and stretching to justify the vote.

Happy to do this with you Grey.

VOTE: Grey

If both are alive at later phases. That dissolved way too easily.

Says either Stefan or myself is scum, then paints another two up for association tells....