NY 183 - Apocalypse Mafia

[Klingoncelt]

Hi Rubicon <3

Grib, I never roll scum (sigh). RNG is trying to reverse psych me into liking scum, I think.

Ok, so

RQS questions

so we aren't chasing puppy dog tails:

1. Favorite game of mafia you've played here or elsewhere and why?
2. What is your dream or ideal mafia role? Why?
3. Favorite season?
4. In an actual Apocalypse what is the first thing you would do?

1. The Avatar 4 game on another site.

2. Unlynchable Bulletproof Role Cop. It's useful

3. Autumn

4. Round up all the talent and get them into the best shelter.

[Klingoncelt]

74 seems desperate for some motive or another.

Klingon, mind giving some thoughts on the game instead of just popping in to answer the random questions?

I've had about 6 hours sleep in the last 3 days, so I'm just putting in an appearance right now before I crash. Tomorrow (Tuesday) I'll post a bit more.

Why are players voting for Elusive if they think she's Town?

[Klingoncelt]

VOTE: Klingoncelt

It's on!

Oh yeah? Well then - VOTE: PointYBagelS! So there!


Oh, wait...

[Klingoncelt]

Oy, this game...

I'll be doing a lot of re-reading, for sure.

Anyway, this being Day 1 I won't have much of a read on Bewilderbeast, Creative, Errantparabola, Jbomber732, Megalo, Nero Cain, Ricastle, Rubicon, or Skold, since Ive had no games with any of them. Or maybe I'll have a read but not trust its accuracy.

That leaves Boonskiies, Davesaz, Elusive, Garmr, Grib, Kitz, PeaceBringer, and PointYBagelS. I'll be going through their meta (I like meta) and re-reading this thread and getting reads on them as the night progresses.

So I'll have a couple of content posts by sunrise eastern time.

[Klingoncelt]

I'm going to be honest I'm dreading reading through this game as i am sick and not emotionally involved in it.

Get well soon.

It's not such a bad read if you're fairly well rested. My first read-through sucked in a mighty way, but the second wasn't bad at all.

Anyhoo - here's what I got so far:

Garmr - Inconclusive.

Grib - playing his Town game.

Kitz - Town. Her Scum game reminds me of an old friend's (from a long-dead board) posting style, I'm not seeing that here.

[Klingoncelt]

Do you have anything on the Boon wagon, jbomber, or Skold?

Can you give me an example of a game where Grib played like this as town?

The Boon wagon is bullshit. Boon is Boon. Wait till Day 2, if he really is Scum, he'll fall apart and slip soon enough.

I don't know JBomber or Skold, reading them will come much later.

I went through Grib's entire meta, every game. Everything here seems like his normal everyday Town game to me.

[Klingoncelt]

Right, okay then.

Do you have any scumreads?

Not yet, other than an inconclusive on Garmr.

I'll be reading through a few more players tonight.

[Klingoncelt]

Ricastle

is definitely town!

Because why?
I don't know him, tell me what I should be seeing.

[Klingoncelt]

Spoiler:

Ricastle

Ricastle

is definitely town!

Glad to hear it. Any thoughts on Skold?

I was waiting someone to question me why? value play fail, *sad face*

You didn't wait long enough, I would have replied that your post was missing a "because" clause.

Playing turtle scum

Dave

? That's bad!

Klingoncelt

Spoiler:

Ricastle

is definitely town!

Because why?
I don't know him, tell me what I should be seeing.

I recommend reading #494, maybe is what you are looking for!

Yeah, I made my post before I got to that one. Thanks.

[Klingoncelt]

I'm V/LA until Monday, my furnace is out and there are other problems in the house.

I'm reluctant to go in on the wagon, I'd rather have someone in that slot that can claim.

[Klingoncelt]

UNVOTE:

VOTE: Davesaz


I don't know if he's derpfocused on the mistreatment of poor innocent JBomb or if he's going way over the top in defending his Scumbuddy, but it's skeevy either way.

[Klingoncelt]

Yes, that's the plan, unless you're implying you have a better one.

So your plan is to do...nothing, then? Almost anything is better than that.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Klingoncelt

Hi there. I don't believe I have a read on you. Also I find it incredibly unlikely that you went through every single one of my games.

I'm V/LA so I haven't posted much. I'll be back tomorrow (Monday) night hopefully.

I most certainly did go through every single one of your games.

It's a very time-consuming process, but worthwhile. It's not exactly meta so much as mentality that I'm looking at. Some players can easily change their meta, but there's always something that pushes their buttons or causes them to relax as either Town or Scum. That's what I look for. Very subtle but carved in stone psychology tells. (There are a few players that are totally null, I just can't get a read on them, Aneninem, ZZZX, Dragonspawn...)

[Klingoncelt]

I don't know if he's derpfocused on the mistreatment of poor innocent JBomb or if he's going way over the top in defending his Scumbuddy, but it's skeevy either way.

To question a wagon is skeevy? And I think he's justified why he's defending bomber. I don't like this post, it seems to me like setting a precedent in which town shouldn't question wagons to such an extent.

It's not the questioning of a wagon, it's the

over-the-top

questioning of a wagon. Slight difference. Enough to ping.

[Klingoncelt]

This game is weird with the amount of replacements. Will there even be enough replacements?

Jbomber732 is being replaced.

Garmr is being replaced.

Megalo has failed to respond to his prod and is being replaced.

Bewilderbeast is being prodded. If he fails to respond adequately to this prod, he will be replaced.

Some players can easily change their meta, but there's always something that pushes their buttons or causes them to relax as either Town or Scum. That's what I look for. Very subtle but carved in stone psychology tells.

So, psychologic meta to justify any meta? What would be a case of "causes them to relax"?

It depends entirely on the player. Some people tense up when they're playing Scum because they're worried that they can't maintain their Townie act. Others don't like getting PRs because they don't want to hurt Town by getting killed/lynched early in the game. And some get nervous playing as Vanillas because they have little idea what's going on and no power over anyone. Then there are those that are just the opposite, they LOVE the role they got and run through the game pooping rainbows.

[Klingoncelt]

It's not the questioning of a wagon, it's the

over-the-top

questioning of a wagon. Slight difference. Enough to ping.

What makes it over-the-top? And do you even think the case on jbomber is good?

650 : I'd like to hear from Skold a paraphrase of why the jbomber wagon was started in the first place.

Okay, no problem, I'd like to hear that too.

652: I think I know why some people are scum reading jbomb. If the reason is what I think, I strongly disagree that the reason is always alignment indicative. And falsely making a case out of that reason is itself extremely scummy, because it's a reason that gets sheeped by lazy town. If there is some other reason they're scum reading the jbomb, then I'd like to know what it is, in case I missed it. In either case, I'd like to see what the replacement posts before we lynch it. If it's a scum slot, there will probably be another more reliable tell that we can use.

As to the why, I'm the type of town who wants to identify actually scummy behavior before I lynch someone. I don't pull a read out of a place the sun doesn't shine and toss it out there to see if it sticks. And I hate naked voting with a passion, because if you let people do it the scum can hide there effortlessly.


This doesn't read so well. Maybe in a noob game if he's an IC or SE, but not here. It sounds too theatrical, literally as though he's explaining his part of the plot to the audience.

[Klingoncelt]

Oh, and the case is as good as any that I've seen in this game so far. I think the slot is Scum.

However, I'm not voting for it until some time after the replacement checks in.

[Klingoncelt]

I should probably go V/LA. I'm in dress rehearsal for my show, opening this weekend, and after we open, it should be much easier. I'm going to V/LA until 4/17. My hectic life will be becoming less hectic soon.

Mind taking your vote off me first?

[Klingoncelt]

I should probably go V/LA. I'm in dress rehearsal for my show, opening this weekend, and after we open, it should be much easier. I'm going to V/LA until 4/17. My hectic life will be becoming less hectic soon.

Mind taking your vote off me first?

Why?

It's not a good look.

[Klingoncelt]

Vampirate, all eyes are on you.

[Klingoncelt]

Stalled game is stalled.

[Klingoncelt]

Vote Count

Vampirate

(7):

Skold, Errantparabola, Ricastle, Nero Cain, PointYbagelS, PeaceBringer, Garmr

With 18 alive, it takes 10 to lynch.

Deadline

: (expired on 2015-04-20 09:00:00)

Vampirate, defending yourself would probably be a good idea right now.

[Klingoncelt]

Vampirate, defending yourself would probably be a good idea right now.

I don't really like this

I got the impression that we were just wagoning a slight null-scum read to apply pressure. The one alarm bell that came after that is bomber's complete lack of response and eventual replacement. I fail to see how Vamp could defend against that.

You can't have it both ways. If Town is voting JBomb off, well JBomb's already gone. If Town thinks that the

slot

is Scum, then Town should present their specific suspicions to the replacement.

[Klingoncelt]

Ugh. I'm really unconfident in nearly every read I've got so far. I've managed to scrounge together a full set of reads, but they're terrible and I probably won't post them unless someone insists on it.

VOTE: Grib

This is my best scumread for the foreseeable future.

If Grib flips non-mafia, Rubicon & elusive are probably town. If he flips mafia then the opposite.

Kitz, are you leaning towards a more harmless or more negative role with your neutral read? (I assume by neutral you mean third party rather than null)

Elusive: Thing is, how can you be sure everyone in a townbloc

is

town on Day 1? Obviously, if it was likely that was the case, I'd have no problems. I just can't see it in Grib though. Who's your top scumread?

Chainsawing is defending a player by attacking their attacker.

The bolded caught my eye here as it feels Ricastle is/was trying to manipulate future events. If Grib turned out to be non-mafia, Ricastle could later on say "well then the other 2 are probably town" hiding a mafia in them.

If Grib turned out to be mafia, then there's at least 1 easy mislynches after' and of course Ricastle gets the credit.

I honestly highly doubt the mafia would stack up 3 of themselves together like that.

So VOTE: Ricastle

Anyways this is what I have so far as little as it is.


As for JBomber732, the only real defense I have against everyone voting me now is that the JBomb is an easy lynch target. He stands out way too much in his questionable logic. I'd think he'd be more careful on his words if he's scum. (of course i'm the only one who knows for the very truth so whatever) I'm basically saying i'm the easy mislynch.


I gotta say though, I find my current predicament totally hilarious. If you want go read my past history (there's not much) go ahead.

This is very likely the game's most sensible post so far.


I can see Scum "Townblocking" in a smaller game, but here it would be damn risky. So I see Elusive, Grib, and Rubicon as obvtown.

FoS: Ricastle

for trying to set up Grib.

[Klingoncelt]

@Kling - why would it be risky? townblocking.

In a small game a scumTownblock can skate through a couple mislynches and NKs and wind up winning. In a larger game there are more players, many are more experienced players, the "Townblock" is more likely to get one of its members lynched (or NK'd by an opposing faction.) Once that happens the "Townblock" can fall like dominoes.

[Klingoncelt]

@Kling - why would it be risky? townblocking.

In a small game a scumTownblock can skate through a couple mislynches and NKs and wind up winning. In a larger game there are more players, many are more experienced players, the "Townblock" is more likely to get one of its members lynched (or NK'd by an opposing faction.) Once that happens the "Townblock" can fall like dominoes.

- many of those not in the Townblock

- are more experienced players,

[Klingoncelt]

I am a Serial Killer. People should wagon me.

jk, but for real I'm antsy as hell right now[ /spoiler]

Okay, what the fuck.

Ricastle is very much wanting a wagon on you.
I'm FoS'ing Ricastle for that.
And now you come in with

this

?


What. the. fuck.

[Klingoncelt]

No one is posting and I want to Do Things.

So.

What do you want to do, Grib?

[Klingoncelt]

Yes, that's the plan, unless you're implying you have a better one.

So your plan is to do...nothing, then? Almost anything is better than that.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Klingoncelt

Hi there. I don't believe I have a read on you. Also I find it incredibly unlikely that you went through every single one of my games.

I'm V/LA so I haven't posted much. I'll be back tomorrow (Monday) night hopefully.

I most certainly did go through every single one of your games.

It's a very time-consuming process, but worthwhile. It's not exactly meta so much as mentality that I'm looking at. Some players can easily change their meta, but there's always something that pushes their buttons or causes them to relax as either Town or Scum. That's what I look for. Very subtle but carved in stone psychology tells. (There are a few players that are totally null, I just can't get a read on them, Aneninem, ZZZX, Dragonspawn...)

I question your method because you have a history of reading me wrong and I'm not hard to figure out once you get to know me.

But you... you still don't get me.

So much for mentality.

Actually I've read you quite right in the majority of games.

(Unfortunately we can't get into a fun discussion because ongoing games.)

[Klingoncelt]

Oh, and the case is as good as any that I've seen in this game so far. I think the slot is Scum.

However, I'm not voting for it until some time after the replacement checks in.

Since when are you cautious as town?

You're usually banging the drum when you have a scum read.

Because when I bang the drum I get mislynched and my Scumread and his/her buddies go on to win the game.

[Klingoncelt]

Vote Count

Vampirate

(7):

Skold, Errantparabola, Ricastle, Nero Cain, PointYbagelS, PeaceBringer, Garmr

With 18 alive, it takes 10 to lynch.

Deadline

: (expired on 2015-04-20 09:00:00)

Vampirate, defending yourself would probably be a good idea right now.

This kind of shit is terribad. Let the dude get caught up before you go all Cujo on his ass.

Not Cujo.

There were enough players trying to lynch that slot that I was afraid he'd be hammered before he had a chance to defend (or maybe incriminate!) himself.

[Klingoncelt]

Not Gonna Lynch

:
House
elusive
Grib
Ricastle
Nero Cain
Errantparabola
Vampirate
Rubicon (following the reads of my townreads on this one)

Meh

:
PointYBagelS
Boonskiies
Bellaphant
Kitz
Xayzeck
davesaz
Creative

Let's Lynch These People

:
Skold
Klingoncelt
PeaceBringer

Umm, no.

You aren't gonna mislynch me this game.

I'm looking more towards Xayzeck, Ricastle, maybe Davesaz...

[Klingoncelt]

Hmm. Does anyone reliable know if House town meta is highly variable?

As Town he's a dick. As Scum, he's nicer. As either he tries to get me lynched.

[Klingoncelt]

Not Gonna Lynch

:
House
elusive
Grib
Ricastle
Nero Cain
Errantparabola
Vampirate
Rubicon (following the reads of my townreads on this one)

Meh

:
PointYBagelS
Boonskiies
Bellaphant
Kitz
Xayzeck
davesaz
Creative

Let's Lynch These People

:
Skold
Klingoncelt
PeaceBringer

Umm, no.

You aren't gonna mislynch me this game.

I'm looking more towards Xayzeck, Ricastle, maybe Davesaz...

I'm thinking Grib now too.

[Klingoncelt]

No?

Why not?

[Klingoncelt]

Umm, no.

You aren't gonna mislynch me this game.

I'm looking more towards Xayzeck, Ricastle, maybe Davesaz...

I'm thinking Grib now too.

I thought Grib was obvtown?

Being fine with lynching both me and Grib when the reason you want to lynch me is because I want to set up/am too eager to lynch Grib is also laughable.

Just some of the stuff Grib says, is he being sarcastic or does he actually want to be lynched? I'm sure he's Town... but I've been wrong before.


I'm focused mainly on you and Xayzeck right now.

UNVOTE:

[Klingoncelt]

I also don't like the way that House seems to be trying to take control of the game, but I get the impression he does that in every game anyway.

Normally I'd agree with you on this, but the game was atrophied before he showed up. He brought it back to life.

[Klingoncelt]

unofficial vote Count

Vampirate (5): Errantparabola, Nero Cain, PointYbagelS, PeaceBringer, Xayzeck
Skold (4): elusive, House, Ricastle, Bellaphant, davesaz
Klingoncelt (1): Boonskiies
Ricastle (1): Vampirate
Kitz (1): Grib
Bellaphant (1): Rubicon

Not Voting (3): Kitz, Creative, Skold

With 18 alive, it takes 10 to lynch.

Deadline: 1 day, 18 hours, 5 minutes

[Klingoncelt]

The wagons are on Skold and Vampirate, and I'm not crazy about lynching either one.

I'll pick one to vote for in a few hours.

[Klingoncelt]

lol, not really. The game was pretty much stalled b/c of the inactives and they were kinda who folks wanted dead. House literally had to post and try and get some town cred for his slot. I'm not a huge fan of you sating that he "breathed life back into this game" when he really didn't.

I also really like the idea of lynching Garmr/Xay slot.

The game was stalled. The apathy was stifling.



Anyway, I've been unable to read Garmer/Xay as Town. I'd be more comfortable lynching him than Skold or Vampirate, but I don't think that can happen in a day.


VOTE: Skold

[Klingoncelt]

Just some of the stuff Grib says, is he being sarcastic or does he actually want to be lynched? I'm sure he's Town... but I've been wrong before.

I'm focused mainly on you and Xayzeck right now.

UNVOTE:

Would you like to lynch Grib or not?

Not.

[Klingoncelt]

Vote Count

Skold

(7):

House, Ricastle, Bellaphant, davesaz, Klingoncelt, Errantparabola, Vampirate

Xayzeck

(4):

elusive, Xayzeck, PointYBagelS, Nero Cain

Vampirate

(2):

PeaceBringer, Xayzeck

Klingoncelt

(1):

Boonskiies

Bellaphant

(1):

Rubicon

Not Voting

(3):

Kitz, Creative, Skold

With 18 alive, it takes 10 to lynch.

Deadline

: (expired on 2015-04-20 09:00:00)

@Shinobi

- Does Xayzeck have 2 votes?

Xay, why vote for yourself?

Xay, I'm a

she

, btw.

[Klingoncelt]

@Shinobi

- Does Xayzeck have 2 votes?

Xay, why vote for yourself?

Xay, I'm a

she

, btw.

Mod error. Xayzeck never voted for himself.

Why not simply ISO him to find that out for yourself?

Crazy weekend so I'm not firing on all the cylinders.

[Klingoncelt]

@Shinobi - Has Boons been prodded?

Honest ta gawd I'm ready to vote for him. Something like 14 posts the whole game, none of which say anything useful.

[Klingoncelt]

It just got stupid here at my house, back later with some reads and a vote.

[Klingoncelt]

@Shinobi - Has Boons been prodded?

Honest ta gawd I'm ready to vote for him. Something like 14 posts the whole game, none of which say anything useful.

Looking for a PL, eh, scummy?

VOTE: Klingoncelt

Parking my vote back where it was. Sorry, but there's no way she's not scum.

Oh hai, glad you could make an appearance.

Not really looking for a PL, more like where the hell are you and do you have any reads?

And no, I'm not Scum. Are you?

[Klingoncelt]

That was her trying to subtly get a push started on me because I was on her all yesterDay, and I'm catching her out as scum. Tunnel vision, HO!

What game are you watching? You were V/LA most of D1, and your vote on me was RVS.

[Klingoncelt]

I could go all this Day saying BoonScum, does that make it true?

(It helps if you have some sort of reason behind your claim.)

[Klingoncelt]

(Actually I'm looking at Xay and Ricastle as Scums right now.)

[Klingoncelt]

So I'm 100% this far

Unless you're Scum this time, right?

[Klingoncelt]

So I'm 100% this far

Unless you're Scum this time, right?

What does this even mean?

You said you correctly read House's alignment in every game. This suggests that you're reading him correctly in this game as well.

If you are Scum, though, that would make an exception to your psychic streak, you'd just be scumreading him for the sake of a mislynch.

So I'm FoSing you. That's what it means.

[Klingoncelt]

The wagons are on Skold and Vampirate, and I'm not crazy about lynching either one.

I'll pick one to vote for in a few hours.

Anyway, I've been unable to read Garmer/Xay as Town. I'd be more comfortable lynching him than Skold or Vampirate, but I don't think that can happen in a day.


VOTE: Skold

[/spoiler]

Not seeing why anyone should pick between wagons, it's day 1, why would u not rather push in a direction you would prefer, joinin a wagon without reasoning just creates room for you to bounce around that after the flip, saying u weren´t sure of what u were doing, wich is not necessary scummy, but it definetly makes you a question mark, wich is bad for town.

There wasn't a lot of time left, starting a new wagon and running it to a lynch would have been impossible.

I'm not a big fan of No Lynches on Day 1.

While I didn't like either wagon Skold, Vampirate,) I've been proven wrong on my D1 choices in other games. Either one just might have flipped Scum for all I know.

[Klingoncelt]

TBF, I'm actually worried that Boon IS town and you and Celt are scum.

If we were both Scum we'd kill each other in the PT, game over.

[Klingoncelt]

So...I'm scumreading House and I believe in my scumread and you say "well u could be scum pushing a mislynch.!" Like I'm squinting real hard and this still doesn't make any sense.

Would it help if I said you look scummier to me than he does?

[Klingoncelt]

Would it help if I said you look scummier to me than he does?

Why am I scummy and why not just say that instead of some weird chainsaw type post?

I'm having trouble getting reads this game. It happens sometimes. You look

scummier

than House, but that isn't saying that I think you're Scum. More like leaning Scum.

[Klingoncelt]

HOuse, if you recall the game we played in before, it would be a help to see how you were, what I was and the reactions. I cannot seem to find it.

HOuse, if you recall the game we played in before, it would be a help to see how you were, what I was and the reactions. I cannot seem to find it.

Mafia Lottery

HOuse, if you recall the game we played in before, it would be a help to see how you were, what I was and the reactions. I cannot seem to find it.

Mafia Lottery

ah, that game was horrid for town... no wonder I couldn't find it...

I was in that game too. It was a mess.

Sorry about lynching you there, Peace.

If it helps, you're sort of leaning Town for me here.

[Klingoncelt]

For the life of me the only thing I am really getting out of this is "Nero believes he's reading House correctly and so he's kinda scummy for it"

ffs.

1) Nero believes he's reading House correctly, so he's Town

OR

2) Nero

lies about

reading House correctly this game, because he's Scum.

So it's one or the other. I don't know which.

That you're obsessing on it bugs me lots.

[Klingoncelt]

ffs.

1) Nero believes he's reading House correctly, so he's Town

OR

2) Nero

lies about

reading House correctly this game, because he's Scum.

So it's one or the other. I don't know which.

That you're obsessing on it bugs me lots.

You realise this reasoning is literally no more than "Nero could be scum"? And you're FoSing him for it?

I realize it, you realize it, everyone else realizes it, but Nero Cain obsesses and melts down over it.

It's given me a headache.

[Klingoncelt]

So how the fuck is that grounds to FoS him? What was your motive behind making that statement?

His obsession over a trivial post. The paranoia's ridiculous.

[Klingoncelt]

I really don't understand why you think it's suspicious that Nero is confident that House is scum. On the same token, House was pretty damn sure that I am town. It would be easier for scum to clarify someone is town than mafia because the mafia knows which is which, town don't.

In your logic shouldn't you be FoSing House over Nero on this point?

Also, to clarify i'm not scum reading House here, just pointing out the confusing logic in Klingoncelt's posts.

Jesus Christ on a crutch.

I think that Nero's confidence could be

faked

, get it?

Like a Scum player saying they think another player is Scum. Do they really think that other player is Scum? No. They're faking it.

Nero's "read" may

OR MAY NOT

be genuine and from the heart. Therefore, it's null.

However, since he's flogging it until there's nothing left but blood-soaked skeletal remains, he's either the most dedicated Townie ever, or he's Scum.


Have none of you rolled Scum in a Mafia game before? Do you know nothing of Scum strategy?

FoS basically means that you have someone

LEANING

Scum.

If I were sure he's Scum, I would have voted for him.

[Klingoncelt]

And I'm known for having confusing logic.

[Klingoncelt]

@Rational Madman, here's a list of the current players:

1. (Bewilderbeast)/replaced by Bellaphant
2. Boonskiies
3. Creative
4. Davesaz
5. Elusive
6. Errantparabola
7. (Garmr)/replaced by Xayzeck
8. Grib - Townblock
9. (Jbomber7320)/replaced by Vampirate
10. (Kitz)/replaced by Rational Madman
11. Klingoncelt
12. (Megalo)/replaced by House
13. Nero Cain
14. PeaceBringer
15. PointYBagelS
16. Ricastle
17. Rubicon

And here's a list of the Dead:

Skold, Vanilla Townie - lynched D1

[Klingoncelt]

His obsession over a trivial post. The paranoia's ridiculous.

The FoS came before Nero's "obsession". You initially FoSed him based on the reasoning that he could be scum; why did you do

that

?

The trivial post is why I FoS'd him. It was meaningless for him to say what he did. And there was all the arguing with House.

I have them both at Null right now. House is looking Townish kinda sorta. Nero is looking Scummish kinda sorta. But they're both grey right now.

[Klingoncelt]

Kill, as in cause you to die.

Are you claiming vigilante? Maybe I missed it but I didn't know you'd outed.

Haven't you heard? Apparently I'm a Serial Killer.

That's twice you've said that.

Why?

[Klingoncelt]

The trivial post is why I FoS'd him. It was meaningless for him to say what he did.

Why are you changing your story here? If you thought my post was trivial and uneeded why not just say that? Instead, you've been pushing this "oh Nero could be faking his read on House!" so it looks to me like you are changing your story b/c what you were saying wasn't sticking.

but I mean, if your reason for light scum reading me is effectively "he could be scum, he could be faking his read on House!" How does that not apply to anyone else? We all had the same 5.5% chance of getting a scum pm, and you could apply the same reasoning to anyone else so why am I special?

Also, if you think that I could "fake" my scum read on House why are you not concerned with the, yknow, folks (like House) that pushed a mislynch?

I'm not changing my story.

You got into a headache-inducing fight with House then said you know how to read him and you're sure he's Scum.

I said you could be faking your read.

The FoS isn't just that you might be faking the read, it's that you obsess. It's like you're going after House simply for the sake of going after House. Pages of arguing turn me off.

And then you act like a brand-new noob and ask me what I mean when I said you could be faking my read. Is that supposed to make you look less suspicious? Is that going to make Klingoncelt say, "Oh, well then, you're the Most Ultimate Highest Exaltedest Townie eva!!!11!!! I must remove my FoS11!!!!!"


I sure hope not.

[Klingoncelt]

The FoS isn't just that you might be faking the read, it's that you obsess. It's like you're going after House simply for the sake of going after House.

Pages of arguing turn me off

.

Why didn't you FOS House then? Why do you view me as more responsible for the argument than him? Have you never seen town players argue with each other in a game? If so, how accurate is this "long argument" tell, that you are pushing?

My whole issue is that you the things you are light pushing me for are absolutely ridiculous, its selective and I think that's more likely to come from scum.

And then you act like a brand-new noob and ask me what I mean when I said you could be faking my read.

I didn't ask that but good job trying to ad hom.

Dude, I

always

FoS House. It's one of those things that goes without saying.

And I'm not pushing anyone. I made a no big deal comment and you built a tunnel.

[Klingoncelt]

Oh, so you're FoSing House, which is why you said he was townish and Nero was scummish on the previous page, right? You're not just trying to deflect a question you can't answer?

Seems legit.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Klingoncelt

Your middle name certainly isn't Genius. Learn history before passing knee-jerk judgements.

Go to my profile, ISO all of my posts from there.

Do the same with House.

You'll see that the two of us have a mutually antagonistic history that spans two sites. We always scumread each other.

This is one of those rare games where I'm scumreading him less than usual. Still don't trust him as far as I can throw an elephant.

[Klingoncelt]

Ricastle, if you want to lynch me for having crappy weak reads, go ahead.

It's not like I'm a PR or anything.

But I'm sure on Day 3 the surviving Townies will want to know why you and your bestie Nero wanted me gone.

Yeah, good luck with that.

[Klingoncelt]

KC, are you town or scum this game? You have a tendency to be a little off the wall in a way that makes you an easy mislynch target. Can you also link to your most recent town\scum game on this site? Mostly I just want to see the difference between your scum game and town game.

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=61108

Classic Rock Mafia in the Little Italy forum. Scum were Dragonspawn, Varsoon, and I. We totally ruled.

That said, oh heaven forbid I couldn't come up with a sooper dooper ultra hard scumread on Nero. Worse yet, I actually said so.

That should be between myself and Nero, though, shouldn't it?

What's up with Ricastle's ham-handed white knighting?

Looks to me like either Scum protecting Scum, or Scum hardcore buddying up to a Townie.

So while I'm still not sure about Nero, there's no question that Ricastle's Scum awkwardly trying a mislynch.

VOTE: Ricastle

[Klingoncelt]

I'm interested in reading Ricastle's response to 1416. That's a lot to chew on.

[Klingoncelt]

Oh - here's the Mafia PT from the Classic Rock game. lulz

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=94&t=61116

[Klingoncelt]

@Nero Cain

- What do you think of Ricastle white knighting you?

[Klingoncelt]

KC: Reading through, some of her posts didn't read right: I was unsure if this was just tone, but her posting around the second half of the 30s was really pinging for me. After the lynch, when pressure started, she seems to be flailing. I've read her scum-link (providing the link seems towny, but could be a double bluff) and she seems to be having a bit more fun as scum? But that could be game specific, and her lack of strong reads here is pretty terrible

I'm having a hell of a time in this game.

I don't know you or your predecessor, Creative, Errantparabola, Xayzeck (I was reading Garmer as Scum), bomber732/Vampirate, (Megalo), Ricastle, Skold, or Rubicon, so that makes reading them not an easy thing.

I was expecting the Townbloc to be strong leaders, but they've been pretty apathetic considering their position.

I always read House as Scum even when I'm reading him as Town.

This game has been slow as molasses in winter.

So I'm doing the best I can with what I got. Don't expect much.

I do think that Elusive, Grib, PeaceBringer, and PointyBagels are probably Town.

Doesn't compare well with flailing Nero's posts.

[Klingoncelt]

*Ooops, I meant WK Ricastle's reads.

[Klingoncelt]

.

Doesn't compare well with flailing Nero's posts.

look, I get it. Its like yours and House's go to thing to insult/throw around empty buzzwords but ya'll ain't fooling anyone.

I mis-typed there. I was looking at how my Townreads are opposite Ricastle's Scumreads. I was also thinking about some point regarding you. While I was tying yet more the-furnace-in-my-house-isn't-working drama started up in both ears at rock concert volume, so I got distracted.

My post refers to Ricastle, not you.

[Klingoncelt]

I was also thinking about some point regarding you

What point?

My post refers to Ricastle, not you.

Can you quote him where he is wking his scumreads?

I lost them in the noise. It will be at least 10pm eastern before it's quiet enough to think in here. Your patience is appreciated.

[Klingoncelt]

Ricastle isn't WKing his Scumreads, he's WKing YOU, Nero. His Scumreads are my Townreads.

[Klingoncelt]

Well it's great your reads are opposite to mine Klingon because guess what, you're scum. Seriously how is that a point against me?

Also, from what I can gather, your scumreading habit with House sounds like little more than a joke when you claim you 'scumread' him even if you think he's town. At that point bringing it up means shit all.

Obviously you don't know our history.

Why do you think Elusive, Grib & Peace are Scum?

[Klingoncelt]

Ricastle isn't WKing his Scumreads, he's WKing YOU, Nero. His Scumreads are my Townreads.

Where did he wk me?

Which is the same thing I asked before.

Posts 1323, 1326, 1365, 1386, 1390, 1392,

and then there's 1444:

"Nero, what are you doing? Why aren't you voting Klingon?"


Yeah, why aren't you voting with Ricastle after all those posts he made in your defense?

[Klingoncelt]

There's also serial killer I mean no serial killer Ricastle. And I have no idea what Vampirate is doing. What are your scum reads Vampirate?

I also find Ricastle's scum list to be hilarious. You've been on Grib since day one, calling him an SK because you didn't think he was mafia. Now what do you think he is since there is no SK? Mafia, a wee little leprechaun?

KlingonCelt, I read her scum game and she seems more light-hearted. I have to note to check another one from her topics and see how it matches up as I never just trust one. Anyone else want to meta dive?

Nero, I'll look at Mafiacraft but what is your most recent town and scum game. From what I remember of that game before I storm\replaced out I was right about Kiwi being a scumfuck and several dumb town prevented me from lynching his whiny emotional head... I mean neck. What was your role? Also, you and House in this little dance - you look worse mostly because first you dumb tunneled Boonskiies who is a known lurksack and annoying as heck, then you seemed to be hyper focused on House and now klingoncelt.

Can you do a reads list Nero?

Bellaphant, that was a sensible post, I'd like to see more of you.

KC, I feel the same way in that I don't know most of the players and have reads already on the ones I know really really well. Which are love, fear, hope.

There's Attack of the Neutrals.
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=83&t=60011

I was Scum, House and SilverWolf were Town. They took me out Night 1.

[Klingoncelt]

There's Attack of the Neutrals.
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=83&t=60011

I was Scum, House and SilverWolf were Town. They took me out Night 1.

Oh, wait, House was Scum.

Fucker.

[Klingoncelt]

@Shinobi - I've lost track, could we have a vote count, please?

[Klingoncelt]

KC, I'm reading this game on USMB (http://www.usmessageboard.com/threads/o ... 038/page-8) - Is there a way to ISO you on it?

Click Search. Type her name, click "Find all by member" (or some such).

It's easy once you get started.

I've never had any luck at all with that site's search functions.

[Klingoncelt]

Rubicon is like that person or star or thing that makes you think everything is going to be okay. <3

KlingonCelt, I'm looking at your recent Newbie town game right now and trying to find other most recent scum games.

Can you give a sense of where your reads are right now? Beyond the Nero thing, what are your thoughts on the state of the game?

I was in Mastin's Hilariously Unbalanced 2.

There were 3 Scumteams and a red herring team. I was the Hippie Scumteam Fruit Vendor.

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=56&t=60385

Our Scum PT:

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=94&t=60322

[Klingoncelt]

Can you give a sense of where your reads are right now? Beyond the Nero thing, what are your thoughts on the state of the game?

I think the game's falling apart.

Usually D1 ends with a Townie getting lynched, and on Day 2 an ambitious player or two generally jump(s) in to lead the way.

Your Townbloc is very weak, you're the only one really working hard. (I do think Grin and Rubicon are Town, however.)

Basically we need more input from more players. Myself, House, Nero, and Ricastle throwing poop at each other isn't advancing the game at all.

But we don't have much else going on by way of conversation in here.

[Klingoncelt]

Hm. I kind of like it.

KC, please reply to Ricastle's case on you. And explain why you haven't already.

He has no case.

He's WKing Nero.

The "case" is that I scumread Nero but not House, when in fact I always scumread House. In this game I'm not scumreading House as much as I am Nero. I have Nero ever so slightly

leaning

scum. But they're both grey.

Ricastle, however, has gone into my Scum pile.

[Klingoncelt]

Despite this suspicion, all her questions are directed toward others

about

KC, instead of toward KC herself.

Additionally she has never voted KC even now as a wagon is building.

Because he wants to avoid suspicion when I flip Town.

[Klingoncelt]

KC, I'm reading this game on USMB (http://www.usmessageboard.com/threads/o ... 038/page-8) - Is there a way to ISO you on it?

Just a quick note on that one - I was very sick while playing and not at my best. Or even at mediocre. I sucked in that game.

[Klingoncelt]

He has no case.

He's WKing Nero.

The "case" is that I scumread Nero but not House, when in fact I always scumread House. In this game I'm not scumreading House as much as I am Nero. I have Nero ever so slightly

leaning

scum. But they're both grey.

Ricastle, however, has gone into my Scum pile.

lmao. Bullshit at its finest.

Why is your scumread on House justified pertaining to THIS game?

As has been said repeatedly, he and I have a history. We own it. Deal.

[Klingoncelt]

He's WKing Nero.

no

TBF to KC, its not some cray cray line of logic for her to be always suspicious of House.

but....this remains to be the problem, she scum read me b/c I believed that House was scum. Yet that applies to EVERYONE in this game that was confident in their read, including House who was confident that Skold would flip scum. It is both selective and vague AND she has not explained WHY it is scummier for me to be confident on a read and its not a scumtell for anyone else.

Things Nero needs to do:

Explain why House is scum.
Explain his reads list that I did a few pages ago.

I've just been really lazy though but so far I am perfectly ok with a KC lynch.

If I thought you were making a case against House it would bug me as much. Like maybe 1% less.

But you went on and on and on with the argument, just like you're going on and on and on arguing with me.

It smells like flail.

[Klingoncelt]

*

would not

bug me as much.

[Klingoncelt]

He's WKing Nero.

Not really. I think the problem is that your posts about Nero don't make sense. Someone calling you out for not making sense isn't white-knighting, even if they are attacking your read on another player.

The "case" is that I scumread Nero but not House, when in fact I always scumread House.

That isn't a good summary of his case on you. Would you respond to 1561 point by point?

In this game I'm not scumreading House as much as I am Nero. I have Nero ever so slightly

leaning

scum. But they're both grey.

My experience with Nero says he very often gets into 1v1s with other players when he's town. Confident reads are his playstyle.

Because he wants to avoid suspicion when I flip Town.

...This doesn't make a lot of sense either.

But does this mean you think Bellaphant is mafia?

"Someone calling you out for not making sense isn't white-knighting, even if they are attacking your read on another player."

The problem is that mine was a soft read.

Nero and Ricastle both made a HUGE mountain out of a molehill.

In any other game what I typed would have been ignored or considered fluff. I can't fucking believe everyone is taking my look at nero so fucking seriously.

Maybe if I were jumping up and down screaming for his lynch based on next to nothing, yeah, sure I could see a case there, but right now all I see are Ricastle and Nero making noise around me.


"But does this mean you think Bellaphant is mafia?"

Yes, I do, actually. Something's off about him.

House can tell you that when I get that "something's off" feeling, I'm almost always right.

[Klingoncelt]

So then why are you not pushing that "somethings off" feeling?

Okay, I can do that.

VOTE: Bellephant

[Klingoncelt]

As has been said repeatedly, he and I have a history. We own it. Deal.

This is why I am voting you.

I'll ask again. Is there anything House has actually done in this game to make you scumread him or is it entirely based on your history?

I answered that. History.




And with that I'm done with Nero and Ricastle. Their insipid tunneling makes this Townie lose interest in the game.

If someone else has questions I'll be happy to answer.

[Klingoncelt]

Reads list forthcoming.

Some major shit just went down in R/L, so I'm moving slowly in the games for a couple days. I'll V/LA if she dies...


Reads list...

[Klingoncelt]

I want Houses' read on KC particularly since he knows her better). I've also asked a couple of other players questions that are pending to be answered.

She always seems scummy to me because of her playstyle, so I can't really answer that because I don't trust my own read on her.

I can say, however, that I wasn't keen on how she took a passive approach on a scumspect. That's the only thing that has really stuck out to me as being different from other games when she was town. She's like a rabid dog when she's suspicious as town.

Not when

suspicious

. I do the rabid dog thing when I'm

utterly convinced.

[Klingoncelt]

UNVOTE:

I want to check out the new kid on the slot.

[Klingoncelt]

...

So I looked at these games plus part of the KC one on USMB. Unless someone can make a coherent case on why they think she's scum, I'm not buying what's been "sold" so far on her. There is something slightly different here but I'm sure those with the ability to infer can figure out why that may or may not be the case. I don't like her Bellaphant vote though and want that reads list.

The reads list will have to wait until Saturday or Sunday.

I can read along with the games and participate minimally, but I won't be able to do any real focusing until I'm back from V/LA next weekend.

[Klingoncelt]

Oh - and I unvoted at least until Belle's replaced.

[Klingoncelt]

Boons is hard to figure out. I thought he was Scum, then figured he might actually be a PR.

The good news is that he's gone.

I'm sad we lost Creative, but at least he was a VT, not a PR.

Why were 2 people killed?

[Klingoncelt]

You led a scum wagon and then abandoned it.

Hi Taly, I thought your predecessor was scummy but I'm willing to give you a chance today.

VOTE: klingoncelt

Umm, why?

[Klingoncelt]

Hello everyone out there in Apocalypse-land

I am Taly, and this is the first time I've replaced into a game. ._.

I've re-read pages 1-15, and skimmed through pages 16-35 - where all the replacements in the world gathered around this game.

Still on catch-up/what-the-fuck-am-I-doing-mode but here are my current thoughts:

1)

I didn't find Elusives entrance in the game to be very productive, I did however get town-vibes from how they've followed up some thoughts in D1. I'll have to read more and ISO her for a solid stance.

2)

Glad Boonskies died and flipped mafia. My only experience with him was in another game where he was town, that really didn't do much to help anything. The wagon on him D1 was a bit weird, but I understand it.

3)

Dear god, House. Why do we end up in games together all the time.

4)

Don't like many posts from Kling and Dave in D1, I'll ISO for a firm position.

5)

I think Nero *might* be town... Partially going off of what I see from his persona, but meta isn't always credible. So far this is gut reading, but it may change once I get to D2 in catch-up. I don't like his "read their role pm" explanations, though. It irks me, and it comes off as dismissive.

6)

Some of Peaces early posts rub me the wrong way.

7)

VCA:

Davesaz
Vampirate
Ricastle
Nero Cain
PointYBagelS

All these names have been on both mislynch wagons thus far. Not screaming scum on any of them yet but this does not look reassuring.

Hi, Taly. I was scumreading your slot.

[Klingoncelt]

Um, I haven't read up to D2 in comprehension yet...

So, some insight for why you guys are scumreading my slot would be nice.

And another thing - what are you guys' other scum reads other than my slot?

I was looking at Garmr/Xayzeck, based on Garmr's meta, and Ricastle has been skeevy from the start.

Usually I go through my reads during Night phases, but I had a terrible R/L event to deal with. I'm going to spend the next couple of days re-reading, re-evaluating.

[Klingoncelt]

Oh, yeah, and Klingon defended Boon early on. Chew on that!

Boon was acting a lot less scummy than you are.

[Klingoncelt]

Oh, yeah, and Klingon defended Boon early on. Chew on that!

Is that how it's used? I thought it was the Traitor who didn't know who the Mafia were. Eh...it's not majorly relevant either way.

Yet you're voting for me based on that.

You are so much Scum, so very much...

[Klingoncelt]

I question how genuine he is, in seeing how he expresses himself in posts. I think it's personality, trying to be polite. But it still would have pinged me if I wasn't his slot.

So her posts feel insincere to you and you think she was trying to make people feel good about her by being polite?

Yeah, that is a good summary. But I don't think it is necessarily scummy, as I've said - I believe it to be their persona. Even if they were faking AtE, I would be a sucker for thinking it is more likely town - unless substance proved otherwise.

Mostly because politeness and agreeability gets town to band together and steamroll the scum and shit. It also makes the thread actually pleasurable to read.

>>>>>>>>>>

Ooh, the Klingon wagon is catching my interest. Plus, Klingon was already on my list to look at

Skimmed through Klingons ISO, and partially started reading the brutal murder of Skold Part 2 - The Skolquel

Klingons D1 performance isn't fruitful. Especially the entrance, which was just RQS over things irrelevant to the game. We now know Boons is mafia, so let's see her interaction with Boons and see if it is congruent to a possible partnership.

136 Seems a little weird. Boons - being a mafia traitor - takes a shot at another possible scum candidate with a vote that isn't even serious?

But then Klingon makes a vote on someone completely different than Boons? Is this RVS? Klingon already made an RQS which proved to not tell anything. Her comment "oh wait" seems a bit frivolous.

I've seen scum in 2 different occasions make pot-shots at each other in RVS for town-cred, and I've seen scum also make a noncommittal vote on something irrelevant and then pass it off as if it were "oh, silly me." Not liking Klingons position at the moment.

Her next 2 posts involve saying she's not really active, and re-reading quite a lot. 422 and 425 >>> Says she is inconclusive on Garmr but doesn't really interact with them to form some type of consensus.

A lot of her next posts seems to be saying she is re-reading players, but then never really says anything about them. She even reiterates they she is still inconclusive on Garmr but doesn't do anything about it. She does however, respond to posts that are directly towards her. Which tells that she may be a bit more focused on her position than the progression of the game currently. Seeing how she has also commented that the game is stalled 734 and 19 I'm not liking what I'm seeing - She also seems to have defended Boons' wagon quite a bit 427 as an example - and passes it off mostly because it is likely meta.

If a person is scummy, despite meta - then they're scummy. They need to lock their shit up and stop expecting people to townread them for it.

I also find that a lot of Klingons reads are ambivalent, and based partially off of meta.

Err, should re-read and look deeper into her recent posts, but so far - I'm not liking D1 performance. I haven't seen a giant stride towards doing something, and I feel like her reasons for voting people such as Dave or Skold weren't entirely explained. Her interaction with Boons didn't seem very genuine, even though Boons was a Mafia Traitor.

Also, Creative was the person killed last night, and did scum-read Klingon as said. So I believe Ricastle might be onto something here.

I'm still not done looking all throughout Klingons ISO, but I'm not getting town-vibes.

VOTE: Klingoncelt

I'm liking this vote - Qs for Klingon:

1)

What are your currents thoughts on: Ricastle, Dave, Grib, and Peace?

2)

Give me 2 quoted/linked reasons explaining why I should be townreading you. You did mention that you weren't going to be a "mislynch" this game. 887

3)

Why did you go for the Skold wagon instead of the Vampirate in [post=919[/post]?

I had some grave real world stuff I was dealing with, so I've been somewhat distracted in this game.

Remember the last game we played together?

If I were Scum, wouldn't you be seeing more of that?

[Klingoncelt]

I'm liking this vote - Qs for Klingon:

1)

What are your currents thoughts on: Ricastle, Dave, Grib, and Peace?

2)

Give me 2 quoted/linked reasons explaining why I should be townreading you. You did mention that you weren't going to be a "mislynch" this game. 887

3)

Why did you go for the Skold wagon instead of the Vampirate in [post=919[/post]?

First, don't get too cuddly with your vote, the wagon's building a bit too quickly, isn't it? Remember Shinobi's flashlynch?


1.)
Ricastle: Scum!
Dave:leanTown
Grib:Town
Peace:leanTown

2.)
I'm not reading through the whole damn thread to cherry pick. I rarely if ever do that, unless the quote is within a few posts of my reply.

3.)
I didn't want a No Lynch.
Day 1 lynches are a shot in the dark.
I wasn't comfortable with voting for Skold, he and Vampirate were both Null, but Vamp leaned the tiniest bit more Town.

[Klingoncelt]

The point is, scum Boon is willing to do crazy shit as a gambit for towncred. He could also have been trying to attract the attention of his scumteam; you never know. But the lone fact that he tunneled KC does nothing to clear her.

But the lone fact that he tunneled KC does nothing to incriminate her.

Fixed.

[Klingoncelt]

lets see, you defeneded Boon
you pushed Skold and wanted to make sure of it
you jumped in and basically took control of the last day... helping tilt the egg that was broken being broken...
there has not been one thing done
and no, Klingon does not come off that way to me at all, she comes off as not giving a rats ass what you think and basically telling you to shove it...

Ricastle's trying very hard to become Town leader.

[Klingoncelt]

Also the fact that all 3 of you are saying the same EXACT thing makes my hair stand on end.

There's yer clue, people.

Name one game outside of a Newbie where the Scums were singing in unison. That never happens.

[Klingoncelt]

Peacbringer, other than Ricastle, who do you think is especially scummy right now?

Klingon, I'd like an answer from you as well.

Here's my

current

reads list:

TOWN/Leaning Town

Rubicon
Grib
Elusive
PointYBagelS
PeaceBringer
Vampirate
House

Null

Errantparabola
Nero Cain
Davesaz
RationalMadman

SCUM

Taly
Xayzeck
Ricastle

[Klingoncelt]

I also don't like how people seem to regurgitate their reads and reasons to vote against someone yesterday to today. This derails town.

The Klingon wagon got completely derailed itself yesterday. All the recent events have done, if anything, is make the case

more

viable.

And I just realised 1997 is referring to 1391 rather than 1417. Nevermind the misrep then. Nevertheless, you're the one viewing things from the wrong angle here and at this point there's nothing that's going to change that.

So. A wagon fails to take hold, that proves the suspect is Scum.

Umm, no.

Ricastle, you are doing everything you can to get me lynched, yet within your compilation of alleged scumtells, you haven't produced a single solid scumtell.

Go ahead, everyone, call this OMGUS, because I think Scumcastle does suck.
VOTE: Ricastle

[Klingoncelt]

Um... Klingon

Didn't Xayzeck get lynched yesterday?

Yes he did.

Well, I have to update that. The lynch actually happened while the funeral arrangements were underway... I need to catch up a bit.


Corrected current (and needing updated) reads list:

TOWN/Leaning Town
Rubicon
Grib
Elusive
PointYBagelS
PeaceBringer
Vampirate
House

Null
Errantparabola
Nero Cain
Davesaz
RationalMadman

SCUM
Taly
Ricastle

[Klingoncelt]

shaking head, that made me go huh, but not changing may stance.

So interesting to note that Davesaz and RM have been pretty much not engaged in the game... or did RM replace out?

As far as I know, neither one replaced out.

[Klingoncelt]

Klingon, is your scum read on me from my predecessor - or has something changed? Just asking for clarification

Also, I forgot Dave and RM were in this game. >_< It's upsetting.

Yes, it's based on your predecessors.

House hasn't been here in a while, either. In his case that's a null tell, he's not known for disappearing.
I hope he's okay.

[Klingoncelt]

re-thought KC's list... does come off nearly as bad...

I haven't updated it since before yesterday's lynch, so it does need work, but anyway, what don't you like about it? I think it's a good list.

[Klingoncelt]

you have a view as town I am less than comfortable with- pointy and house for example... but hey it is your list... it was a momentary reaction

Well,

leaning

Town was part of that group.

[Klingoncelt]

Does traitor knows who is scum team?

yes. My current tinfoil theory is that he knew Celt was scum and voted her to get the scums attention and thus they shot him night 1.

Nice Captain Flawbvious theory, so unfortunate that you're wrong. I'm not Scum.
BTW if Scum killed him, wouldn't Boon still be alive? We have ether a vigilante, a PGO, or and SK in the game.

I need to know what was he thinking. It's importsnt to me.

I can't envision how this is helpful to town. Who cares what the previous occupant of your slot thought.[/quote]

Nero, why didn't you go after any of the other replacements for checking out their predecessors, particularly Taly?

You really want that Megalo/House/RIP slot to appear to be Scum, whether it is or isn't. Why is that?

You've been making a lot of noise this game, but as yet haven't said anything useful.

[Klingoncelt]

VOTE: Klingoncelt

It's on!

@Shinobi - Has Boons been prodded?

Honest ta gawd I'm ready to vote for him. Something like 14 posts the whole game, none of which say anything useful.

Looking for a PL, eh, scummy?

VOTE: Klingoncelt

Parking my vote back where it was. Sorry, but there's no way she's not scum.

I like dat Klingon vote.

Trust the boon. His reads are usually pretty good. Vote Klingon.

I never pushed Nero; there was no Nero vs Boon. I think he's town. Nero's one of my strongest town reads.

House v Nero is TvT.

He deff had a hard on for klingon. I can see traitor starting by voting klingon when she prob hasn't posted as to give a clue.
If Kling is scum she would pick up right away and convert him to scum.
Was he ever converted? How do we know if he was?

If he were converted, he'd still be alive.

I didn't really pay any attention to Boon's attacking me. Boon is Boon, he's very silly so I ignore him lots.

[Klingoncelt]

...

Boons is hard to figure out. I thought he was Scum, then figured he might actually be a PR.

The good news is that he's gone.

I'm sad we lost Creative, but at least he was a VT, not a PR.

Why were 2 people killed?

Ok so I don't see anything about Kling that tells me she's town. She's not Obv scum either but she is not game solving and just fluffs a lot.

I also find weird she has boon as town even thought he's really tunneling her.
She even points out that wago img him is bad... As he is still building a wagon on her.

Then when he dies she thinks he could be a PR... A PR that's calling u scum...
Why would u ink he is PR if he's Obv wrong if u are town?
Ur trollish style always ping me, btw.

VOTE: klingon

"Why would u ink he is PR if he's Obv wrong if u are town?"

What, PRs can't be wrong?

I can tell if someone's game is "off." "Off" can come from 3 things: 1) They have some serious real life shit to deal with, 2) They're Scum, or 3) They're Town and trying to hide their PR-ness.

Boon is Boon, as I've said already. For him being "off'' is typical. Not that he was voting me, but that he was not looking much at

anyone else

was a bit strange. I think it might relate to another game, he hosted, I was Town.

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=60635

[Klingoncelt]

Why do you think Peace is able to defend his buddy but Celt can't defend her buddy?

I have said I think KC is town, it is not absolute certainy and if you folks want to run her up and lynch her, not a problem. I think there are other directions to go that would be productive.

So if KC comes up town, as I suspect what will that tell you? Where will you go at the point?

I bet it will tell everyone that there's Scum on my wagon.

[Klingoncelt]

Said buddy being? House? When did that happen exactly?

That's kinda the whole reason that there's so much pressure on Celt. Like she was treating me and House differently even though we are responsible for the same thing. You even made a post about this bro so I'm a little surprised that you asked. IMO that's just as much as a defense job as Peace calling her an egg.

I've known House since 2011 on another site. Fuck yeah I'll treat him differently than someone I've had next to zero contact with.

[Klingoncelt]

It's a big game. Why not an Investigative + Protective combo? Plus whatever I am.

Mafia had a Traitor. I am not vanilla. Doesn't sound balanced unless there's 5 scum.

5 Scum in an 18-player game??!

[Klingoncelt]

Night 1 tracked KC she went no where
night 2 tracked elusive she went no where

Ok, so there are some possible loopholes if scum have a passive role. What do others thinks about this?

I do wish it cleared us completely and made us the most obvious of Obvtown, but it doesn't. I do think it should move us towards some players' Null pile, at least, though, cause seriously, I can't travel, can't visit, stuck home at night.

[Klingoncelt]

ricastle...
since you are out there as not vanilla, the only reason I thought perhaps you would be so stubborn regarding KC was if it was an alternative investigative that came up different, either that or ultra cocky with your reads, or scum trying to lead town. I still do not know which...

Scum trying to lead Town.

It's impossible to get a bad read on me I'm a fukkin' VT.

[Klingoncelt]

Creative was kind of a weird kill, imo. I had a light townread on him.

Umm, isn't the idea that Scum kill Townies?

[Klingoncelt]

BTW if Scum killed him, wouldn't Boon still be alive?

First a correction, Boons was not "added" to the main mafia team and he was not shot night one.

Nero, why didn't you go after any of the other replacements for checking out their predecessors, particularly Taly?

I think it only seems like that b/c I had a preexisting scum read on House but quote me where I claimed a town read on Taly? Why do you have a problem with me thinking RIP is scummy for this?

You really want that Megalo/House/RIP slot to appear to be Scum, whether it is or isn't. Why is that?

No, not really. I want to be right and lead town to victory. But I'm having a time telling the difference between whats bad play that was sent a green pm and bad play that was sent a red pm. To me there's not much difference.

like, I really am having a hard time seeing House as town saying

You're just showing that you want me dead regardless of my alignment, which is scummy as shit.

Any town is going to push their scumreads, he knows this AND he has seen me as town and he knows that me tunneling is not a scumtell thus I feel that its off and an attempt at manipulation.

RIP coming in and using House's reads as a starting point seems odd to me.

"First a correction, Boons was not "added" to the main mafia team..."

When Scum shoots their traitor, doesn't the Traitor then become a Goon? How else can it be recruited?

"I think it only seems like that b/c I had a preexisting scum read on House but quote me where I claimed a town read on Taly? Why do you have a problem with me thinking RIP is scummy for this?"

Not for this, but for

only

this.

I don't replace in very often, but when I do I have to go through my predecessor's posts to see where their head was at.

(And don't forget, I have the slot

leaning

Town, not solidly uber-obvtown.)

"I want to be right and lead town to victory. But I'm having a time telling the difference between whats bad play that was sent a green pm and bad play that was sent a red pm. To me there's not much difference."

Well, you and I are in 100% agreement on something. And that comment moves you into

leaning

Town. For now, at least.

[Klingoncelt]

[Klingoncelt]

This Ricastle wagon is scummy as hell.

No, it's Ricastle that's Scum.
He's been trying to become the Town Leader by

talking

typing noise that really doesn't say much.

I'm still not sure about Nero, but I'm starting to think he's maybe Town and Ricastle's been buddying.

[Klingoncelt]

Wait that's true
what are the odds that all 5 scum are on the kc wagon
im gna say not large

Any scumteam in any game would be taking a hell of a risk by all jumping on the same wagon.

[Klingoncelt]

UNOFFICIAL Vote Count

[/i]Klingoncelt (5):[/i] Ricastle, Vampirate, RationalMadman, RIP, PointYBagelS

[/i]Ricastle (4):[/i] Klingoncelt, Taly, Errantparabola, PeaceBringer

[/i]PeaceBringer (1):[/i] Nero Cain

RationalMadman (2):

Rubicon, Grib


Not Voting (2): davesaz, elusive

With 14 alive, it takes 8 to lynch.



Deadline:

10 days

Ten days is a long time.

[Klingoncelt]

UNOFFICIAL Vote Count

Klingoncelt (5):

Ricastle, Vampirate, RationalMadman, RIP, PointYBagelS

Ricastle (4):

Klingoncelt, Taly, Errantparabola, PeaceBringer

PeaceBringer (1):

Nero Cain

RationalMadman (2): Rubicon, Grib


Not Voting (2): davesaz, elusive

With 14 alive, it takes 8 to lynch.



Deadline: 10 days

[Klingoncelt]

Tired and bleary-eyed. Going to sleep.

[Klingoncelt]

Ricastle, I honestly don't understand your obsession with me.

I just don't get it.

[Klingoncelt]

Reasons to vote RIP-
Comes in proclaims he is a "game solver"
He has refused to actually put any "game solving" in
He has refused to read the game
He identified suspects only based on prior slot takes and has not offered own opinion until just now and with a largely OMGUS reads list.
His list fails to account for any current game state engagements nor does it provide any facts to counter current game state.
He falls within a area where there is a high chance the scum will be found.
He just touted a past game play that went well as a reason to listen to him without any foundation in this game. (Everyone can usually point to games they rocked and were right.)

You might want to go to RIP's profile page and read through his games. A lot of this playstyle is just the way he rolls. I was in another game where he played this way as Town.

[Klingoncelt]

My almighty reads list:

Town:
Rubicon
Grib
Elusive
PeaceBringer

Leaning Town:
Errantparabola
PointYBagelS
House

Null:
Vampirate
Nero Cain
Taly
RationalMadman

Leaning Scum:
Davesaz

Scum:
Ricastle

[Klingoncelt]

There's something "off"... I was in a game on Wake's forum, there was a player we all were sure was Town. Turned out he was the GF. Dave's play is very similar. I'm wondering if those townslips might have been scripted... I dunno. I'm FoSing him for now.

[Klingoncelt]

What has he done that's off?

You'd have to know Mani and how he plays.

Nevermind that.

I've been trying to figure out who your Scum partners are.

I'm going to look closer at who's been playing good cop to your bad cop.

I'm tired and going to sleep now. bbl

[Klingoncelt]

Hey, Klingon - May I ask how I crawled to the null circle? I've been active o:

Also, your readslists are helpful, but I'd like to encourage doing something more than that...

What do you think about Elusive? I know you're townreading them, but they seem to appear whenever their name appears in the thread by someone else. So I'd like to hear your reasons behind your read.

I was reading your slot as Scum, so Null's a step up. And tbh it's more out of sentimentality than actual reading, I feel sad/bad about the way Dragon, Varsoon, and I tore up you and the rest of Town in that other game.

I usually just post the list of names. Much of what I read comes from ISOing other games, the way others interact with a player, and plenty of gut/vibe. (In my better games I can guess the entire Scumteam, or as Scum I can guess all of the Town PRs.)

Grib, Elusive, and Rubicon are all familiar with each other and are all Townreading each other. I ISO'd Grib's profile page and he's definitely playing his Town game. Rubicon I don't know, but he's either a Mensa-level liar or he's playing his Town game. They're vetting Elusive, plus she's doing things I've seen her do as Town (I don't know her Scumplay though,) so I think she's Town and the three of them are the Townbloc as far as I'm concerned.

[Klingoncelt]

some Qs about voting.

Kling why didn't u vote on d2?
What did you think of boon constant tunneling? You didn't find it scummy?

My daughter-in-law died suddenly on May 1st. I went V/LA and took off my vote to avoid a mislynch while I was gone.

I never think much of Boon's tunneling in any game. He's a bit of a troll, so I rarely take him seriously.

Wow I see that dead guy xay never even voted in both days.. Good riddance.

I really need another scum to flip so I can make sense of this wagons.

I think if we believe there's 4 scum left on day 1 there's prob half on wagon that died and other half off.

Same thing day 2.
Possible suspects

Kling

Nope.

Peace
Who is bellaphant? Subbed?

Bellaphant replaced Bewilderbeast, and was herself replaced by Taly.

Xay but dead town
Boon dead mafia
Elusive off wagon both times too

Dave, nero, pointy and vampire all myslinched too. This sucks
Everyone is scummy by voting lol.

Let's look at content instead of ill have to vote everyone basically

I think if I can actually get a good night's sleep then I can figure out the Scums. We have 8 days until the deadline.

[Klingoncelt]

...

I feel like KC is a little more light-hearted as scum but I don't know her well enough and meta didn't help that much.

My meta changes game to game, largely dependent on what's happening in R/L, but also reliant on game size and playerlist.

[Klingoncelt]

Ricastle is not scummy. So elusive pushing him was prob a scum push. She wasn't too sure on how to do it maybe?
He's a claimed pr now which to be honest I don't even know what he claimed or missed it but I haven't been worried about him since he seem pretty town.

Dood, really?

Ricastle unnecessarily white-knighted the living fuck out of Nero over my saying that I saw House as less scummy than Nero. Tunneled me even unto this very hour.

And Ricastle unnecessarily claimed a weak PR.

Ricastle is scum. It's just a matter of time before I figure out who his partners are.

[Klingoncelt]

...

I feel like KC is a little more light-hearted as scum but I don't know her well enough and meta didn't help that much.

My meta changes game to game, largely dependent on what's happening in R/L, but also reliant on game size and playerlist.

I've noticed there are a few players like that who blur the lines more. House is one of them too. I may have this mis-guided belief that given enough data there are discernible differences but I don't have enough data or time.

Myself, House, Dragonspawn, SilverWolf, FAQ2, and some others come from a political site with a Mafia subforum. We've known each other for years. That site is pretty psychotic, there's a mindfuck in every post. We're well able to be chameleons.

[Klingoncelt]

So he tunneled u by saying house is more scum than nero?
Well I don't think he called me scum. Idk maybe house was playing scummy or something what can I say?
Do you think I'm scum?
A lot more people than rica is pushing u

Either Town is weak in this game or Scum is strong, but those scumreading me are somewhat influenced by Ricastle's wtftunnel.

I'm not going over the whole Nero/House thing. Basically I know House WAY better than I do Nero, and so I read House as Townish and initially read Nero as Null. Then Nero went into poopypants whine mode for post after post, so I FoS'd Nero. Then Ricastle jumped in and stayed there.

[Klingoncelt]

Yea I went and looked. Well I'm super vanilla, like no powers at all. Does that make me scum? Lol.

I get a secret power if I'm alive d4.

Why don't I get one, ever?

[Klingoncelt]

I won't vote for RM.

I had my ass handed to me in a couple of games for merely

suggesting

that we lynch players that had clearly flaked. In those games the slots were somewhat scummy and I simply wanted to save the mod the trouble of finding replacements.

[Klingoncelt]

...

I scumread you over the House exchange because you weren't FoSing him for the

same thing

Nero was doing, and using your customary 'scumread' of House as an excuse as to why, when in actual fact you were leaning town on him for his actions in this game. You were selectively scumhunting, you recognised that, and then used an excuse to get out of it. This is not a hard point to understand.

I read House the way I did because I've known him for 4 years.

I don't know Nero very well at all. Does Nero normally carry enough sand in his shorts to build his own desert?

And you tunneled over a read. A READ. ON SOMEONE OTHER THAN YOURSELF.

Let's assume I was incorrect. Does that make me Scum? Fuck no. It does not. Everybody makes correct reads, everybody makes incorrect reads.

You went apeshit on me for a fucking NULL read. Did I votepark on Nero? Why no, I didn't.

You are so very much obvScum.

How could you possibly know how weak or strong of a PR I am?

Did you not softclaim?

[Klingoncelt]

I can't say much because ongoing games, but he's ESL and hyper. Way too enthusiastic, but generally a nice guy.

His reads seem like he's throwing stuff out there to see what sticks, he bounces around the playerlist like a housefly on crack.

I had House at ever so slightly leaning Town, so I'm keeping RIP there for now. We have 8 days until deadline, I should have a better idea long before then. But for now he's NullTown-ish.

[Klingoncelt]

Did you not softclaim?

What do you think I'm claiming then?

Mafia had a Traitor.

I am not vanilla.

Doesn't sound balanced unless there's 5 scum.

[Klingoncelt]

So why is Rics softclaim scummier than his?

I mean im glad u didn't dont get me wrong cuz I wouldn't want to claim and reveal my actions so far.

Again, ongoing games ...

but certainly there's a red flag on that and a couple other posts.

[Klingoncelt]

No, WHAT do you think I'm claiming. Since you seem to believe that I'm a weak PR.

You said that you're not Vanilla.

You are clearly claiming PR or Scum.

Are you claiming Scum?

[Klingoncelt]

...

Here is where people should look atm.

As a mafia traitor do you see Boon being mafia here or anti-mafia?

I see Boon being his usual half-troll self.

Have you ever played a game with him?

In another game I played there was a Traitor that could not be recruited. The Traitor was there to help prevent Scum lynches. That must be what Boons was up to. I'm often the Low Hanging Fruit in games because other players can't figure me out.

(Maybe that's why RicastleScum and Nero won't peel away from me, they think that eventually I'll be the easy mislynch.)

[Klingoncelt]

Someone ask me some questions to answer.

Who would you like to see lynched today?

If you could vig someone, who would it be and why?

[Klingoncelt]

KC - do you consider me a weaker or stronger town player? In the context of this game?

This game is a null read for two reasons, 1, you're a replace-in, which puts some limits on your playstyle, and 2, this playerlist is not super strong. Far and away most of us are "about half"/meh when it comes to raw talent.

@Mod, can you please prod Madman - or replace him? He hasn't posted in quite a bit.

2nd

[Klingoncelt]

...


but I do kinda like the narrative of Boon traitor tunneling Celt to get the teams attention and let them know he's scum.

...

Okay. Let's say Boons was

recruitable

. What the fuck would be the point in getting a potential teammate killed in order to join the Team?

Do you think Boons is stupid?

You obviously think the other players are, if you expect them to buy your theory.

The Traitor's job, whether recruitable or not, is to KEEP TEAMMATES FROM BEING SUSPECTED AND LYNCHED.

Dude, I've been trying to move you from Null to Town, but this post destroys any chance of that.

RicastleScum has to go today and youScum have to go tomorrow.

[Klingoncelt]

What the fuck would be the point in getting a potential teammate killed in order to join the Team?

Why would that necessarily get you killed?

If you think I am scummy for this then why is RIP not scummy for this?

I can say this now because that other game is done, RIP is a noob and somewhat of a loose cannon. Over time in a game his play and decisions improve considerably. If he hasn't improved considerably by the end of the next Day then I'll reconsider my read on him.

Why do you not understand that I am able to see players as individuals?

[Klingoncelt]

Also Celt, what do you think of Elusive calling Ric scum but not willing to commit to the wagon?

Ask Elusive.

Maybe she thinks someone else haz moar scumz?

[Klingoncelt]

Here's the thing, bubs: I would consider myself a weak PR. If Klingon has picked up on what I am, and called me weak as a result, then she is as good as confirmed scum for still tunnelling my lynch.

Klingoncelt, what power role do you think I'm crumbing that validates calling me a weak PR? This is your last chance.

Last chance? Really? Whaddya gonna do? Will I be your NK?

Dude, I'm done talking to you.

[Klingoncelt]

You want to be tomorrow's lynch in the worst way, don't you, Ri?

These guys were on both of the 1st 2 mislynches:

Davesaz
Vampirate
Ricastle
Nero Cain
PointYBagelS

Look who's voting for me:
davesaz
Vampirate
Ricastle
PointYBagelS
RationalMadman


Hmmm...

[Klingoncelt]

Why do you not understand that I am able to see players as individuals?

b/c you are being selective and that often times comes from scum. What House and I and RIP and I are doing is not at all dissimilar. I really don't feel like you having played with them before and not me is a reason to read the same action differently.

Also Celt, what do you think of Elusive calling Ric scum but not willing to commit to the wagon?

Ask Elusive.

Maybe she thinks someone else haz moar scumz?

I am asking

YOUR

opinion.

Maybe she thinks someone else haz moar scumz.

[Klingoncelt]

You want to be tomorrow's lynch in the worst way, don't you, Ri?

These guys were on both of the 1st 2 mislynches:

Davesaz
Vampirate
Ricastle
Nero Cain
PointYBagelS

Look who's voting for me:
davesaz
Vampirate
Ricastle
PointYBagelS
RationalMadman


Hmmm...

This post is scummy by design.

Considering the mafia know who is not mafia, it's super easy to not be in any mislynch and claim later "Oh, I wasn't in on any mislynches but THESE people were, oh and look who they are voting for me!"

That's when the list undergoes further scrutiny in a VCA.

I might have the energy to do one Day 4.

[Klingoncelt]

Well since u soft claimed already then tell us what weak role u are. If there's reason to believe she knows ur role then that's a easy kill. She's eother scum and scum have a seer or she's a town seer which it kinda going to suck lol.

Ugh...fine. If Klingon is scum then scum knows my role anyway.

I'm a 2-shot Friendly Neighbor. I targeted Vamp the first night and BagelS the second. Obviously, if Klingon knew I was this or I was crumbing this, she is surefire scum.

I had no clue what you are/were. Just that you were a soft PR.

And you know something else I don't - how do the Scums know your role?

UNVOTE: for now...

[Klingoncelt]

She doesn't have to be a Mafia Seer. There just has to be one on her team for the scum scenario to work.

Sorry, not Seer. Rolecop.

Believe me, if I were a Rolecop or on a team with one, Town would be fubar'd.

Ask Taly. In our first game together I successfully rolecopped PRs every night. Each was summarily executed. Scum won that game lol-ing all the way.

[Klingoncelt]

vote:Celt

Dick.

[Klingoncelt]

Nice hammering before I'm even online, much less on this site.

[Klingoncelt]

Nvm, it was a fake hammer.

Still, Nero's a dick for doing it.

You'll see why when he flips.

[Klingoncelt]

I'm fookin' Vanilla.

Has anyone else noticed how Ricastle's trying very hard to be Town Leader? If he takes control, Mafia will win. Simple as that.

TownBloc, you've got to step up.

[Klingoncelt]

only 2 of the townbloc are actually town.

And you know this how?

[Klingoncelt]

I have to say Kling has really failed to make me feel comfortable with defending her. One post telling us to step up when we done all the defending. Sigh

By step up I mean that Ricastle isn't the best player on the field and the TownBloc isn't playing up to their potential.

This Town needs a hero, but unfortunately the game's not packed with strong players. Loud players, pushy players, prolific posting players, but not really strong ones. I don't want to lose because the wrong voice led us down the wrong path.

And now that there's a neighborhood, maybe they can share with us. Not that it's guaranteed to be all, or even part Town. Could be a Scum fakeclaim for all I know.

Possible

, not

probable

. I know players that would do that.

[Klingoncelt]

And now that there's a neighborhood, maybe they can share with us. Not that it's guaranteed to be all, or even part Town. Could be a Scum fakeclaim for all I know.

Possible

, not

probable

. I know players that would do that.

This would be just a really dumb scum move and what you're saying is "Well, there's like a 2% chance it's a setup, it could happen"

First of all, if Ric ever dies, that whole 'scum setup' you're talking about goes out the window.

2nd of all if one Pointy or myself are town confirmed then Ricastle is guaranteed FN because there would be no town motivation for town to lie about this.

No, by Scum setup I mean that a scumteam could use such a thing as a sort of safeclaim, making them all seem more towny than they actually are.

Actually I have you & Pointy at Null & Leaning Town, so I don't suspect you two.

[Klingoncelt]

There is more then one scum, find the other one doofus.

I've already explained that I think that if Celt flips town then scum are prob in PB and RIP. My reasons for suspecting you and Celt and my reasoning for being a little hesitant on Celt are clear and make plenty of sense. I used to think that it was scummy as shit (and it still is) for players to wave off the suspicion on them and call it dumb or whatever, though I see it more and more from bad town players so I guess its kinda null but still scummy. + you are BARELY scumhunting and just showing up when your name gets called.

Grib
davesaz
Rubicon
PointYBagelS
Ricastle
Errantparabola
madman
I think the above is all town

I've been liking Vampirate and Taly as of late so guess who that leaves? POE is a bitch huh?

I'm pretty sure Madman was replaced.

[Klingoncelt]

These 114 pages are starting to take their toll on me. I apologize for being distant. My townreads are

davesaz
elusive
Rubicon
Ricastle
PointYBagelS
Nero Cain
Errantparabola

in that order. The elusive read feels a little stale, as she's been aggressive but in a more...reactive than active way. If that makes sense. It could also just be the paranoia talking.

Did Klingoncelt deliberately put off her claim for multiple pages? I feel like that was a thing that happened. The VT claim smells a little.

Ricastle, why did you pick Pointy and Vamps?

I already claimed before. Plus I'm weary of Ricastle's derptunneling.

[Klingoncelt]

I know.

I mean, how many times were you asked to claim before you actually did so.

Read Nero's post - I claimed ages ago.

Is it my fault nobody's reading the damn game?

[Klingoncelt]

This is what I'm talking about. You were asked several times to claim, and your reaction to the fakehammer was...


...to not claim. Even though you thought you were dead.

Why was that?

Because I was massively pissed off and because I claimed already.

[Klingoncelt]

People, this isn't difficult. I'm wondering why Kllingon put off her claim DESPITE THINKING SHE HAD BEEN HAMMERED, even though it was clearly what town wanted from her.

I'm not asking whether or not she claimed.

Meta, my dear. I very rarely claim, if ever.

Most times I'm lynched early on as low-hanging fruit, and the lynch happens before I'm even online. So I got in the habit of not claiming.

[Klingoncelt]

Maybe you should try to improve if you are constantly seen as low hanging fruit.

Damn difficult in a room with weak layers that want to run Town.

I'm one of those Day 3 players you hear tell of. Usually by then I've figured out who most of the Scums are.

[Klingoncelt]

This is what I'm talking about. You were asked several times to claim, and your reaction to the fakehammer was...


...to not claim. Even though you thought you were dead.

Why was that?

Because I was massively pissed off and because I claimed already.

No, you claimed a page

after

everything I quoted.

Anyway, reads, pretty please.

I already posted those too. Rearrange it to allow for the neighbors. Enjoy.

[Klingoncelt]

Klingon, your last readslist was posted 600 posts ago. Are you sure there isn't anything you want to reevaluate?

No, not really. It's not like all those posts are full of deep content or anything. Filler, most of them.

[Klingoncelt]

it is day 3 and yet you haven't exactly wowed. Are you the pot or the kettle, Celt?

?

Coming from anyone else, Nero, I'd feel bad. Coming from you it's ridiculous. Just saying.

[Klingoncelt]

You have davesaz as your next biggest scumread after Ricastle. They're both town.

So move them up to the top of the Town list. Who's next? Taly and Madman.

Hmm... maybe I should redo this.

Gimme a minute.

[Klingoncelt]

Celt just needs death and then you guys need to lynch the shit out of those that are avoiding her like the plague.

Orrrr... we could lynch you and save bandwidth wasted on fluffposts...

Stay quiet, I'm doing my new & improved reads list.

[Klingoncelt]

At this point I'm looking at

Rubicon
RIP
Nero Cain
Errantparabola
PointYBagelS

in no particular order.

[Klingoncelt]

Coming from anyone else, Nero, I'd feel bad. Coming from you it's ridiculous. Just saying.

says the piece of low hanging fruit

[Klingoncelt]

Good job, RIP.

GG, Town and my other Scumbuddies.

Shinobi, it was a crazy game. /Pre-in for your next one!

[Klingoncelt]

Why the hell would RIP lie like that? Shoula trusted my guy on House more.

He had to. He was the last of our beautiful Scum team, flying solo.

[Klingoncelt]

Endgame is up, private topics have been released.

If the scumteam will allow it, I'll post the scum QT link as well.

I have no problem with opening it up.

[Klingoncelt]

Sooo is that scum QT ever going to be released?

RIP, Pisskop, Kitz, RationalMadman, Ika, Megalo, and House have to agree to it, I think.

(5 replace-outs. wtf. )

[Klingoncelt]

Cool.

[Klingoncelt]

'Tis a lovely tale!