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[Eddie Cane]

VOTE: eddie

[Eddie Cane]

np

[Eddie Cane]

maybe it's effort

[Eddie Cane]

sheep me please

[Eddie Cane]

bump =p

[Eddie Cane]

do you?

[Eddie Cane]

i was hoping SBF would've commented on whether or not her vote on you was in reaction to your self vote or if it was RVS

Since that doesn't seem to be coming, I also want to know how GulityLion was perceiving it when he made 26

I mean, it's a reaction. we just don't know how serious of a reaction.

and you have been contributing. you're a town lean for me.

[Eddie Cane]

and you have been contributing. you're a town lean for me.

what exactly has Bork done to earn a tr that can't be easily faked by scum?

town read is different from town lean. it's early d1, strong reads are rare. I'll quote stuff in a sec on mobile and formatting is hard

[Eddie Cane]

VOTE: Sobolev Space

Hi Sobolev! I'm town this time, are you?

VOTE: GuiltyLion

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eKgPY1adc0A

@GL: any thoughts on how SS responded to your Q or were just using this as an RVS opening

to me it seemed if she were scum she'd likely have focused on directly addressing the question in the latter part of the statement rather than focusing on paranoia wrt the former part
i'll admit i have fuckall else to go on in this game so far

VOTE: GuiltyLion

you're straining the bounds of my credulity that you think because someone (who recently got snowed by you at that) just saw your scumgame that they'd never possibly roll town and legitimately misread you again; it instead sounds like posturing

i ask how many games you played because people misread each other game after game after game and someone who's been on site and has played 40+ games should know that

p-edit: this one.

i am curious as to how you differentiate how scum-me handles that on a townie vs on a buddy

generating conversation actively. this game has been extremely slow so that's a plus. scum has no reason to start discussion when the game is at this pace, there's no reason for them to when everyone is around the null mark for the most part.

[Eddie Cane]

Checking in on my vacation responding to quasi prod. On a foreign keyboard so I have no idea how to bracket. When I do Im voting bork for whining about inactives already. also because he´s scum. but mostly the first thing.

Why is whining about inactives scum? I thought it was more towny than anything. Wanting to get this game moving.

whining about inactives is a common scum tell. scum like to look like they're promoting discussion while not actually doing jack shit. I do it as either alignment as do many I know, it's obviously not a perfect tell, but nothing is.

[Eddie Cane]

fos froggy

. His entry reads like someone who wants to be seen asking questions actively than someone who gives a shit about the answers. Don't ask me to explain the difference, I probably can't.

Sure, I'll bite. Show me where I didn't give a shit about answers.

he said don't ask him to explain the difference. it's a gut thing, we all have our own gut tells.

[Eddie Cane]

i am curious as to how you differentiate how scum-me handles that on a townie vs on a buddy

i mean, i don't have meta or proof or anything, it's a gut response - but i feel like that was obvious anyway, so why as me?

sheep me please

do something useful please, kkthnx

Since that doesn't seem to be coming, I also want to know how GulityLion was perceiving it when he made 26

yah I mean that's why I asked, I couldn't tell if it was because of Eddie's self-vote or meant to be an RVS. I would guess it was a serious vote since it was naked but if that's the case I don't know why you wouldn't just explain it at the same time.

i actually understood the reaction.

this is ironic. you have 5 posts and none are productive.

[Eddie Cane]

Checking in on my vacation responding to quasi prod. On a foreign keyboard so I have no idea how to bracket. When I do Im voting bork for whining about inactives already. also because he´s scum. but mostly the first thing.

Hello, everyone, I'm now here. Back at work, and avoiding work, to your great advantage. Quick recap:

8-9- lion and sob play footsie
30- bork tries hard
32- bork tries hard
46- bork tries hard
48- lion reacts strangely to bork trying hard
51- bella tries not hard enough
59- bork tries hard
70s- eddie continues trolling
80- bella elaborates, sort of
112- twitchy post from sobolev

Townvibes from

eddie

. He's a troll, but the good kind.

Townvibes from

TTTT

. Little to go on here.

Townvibes from

bork

. Fine. Tryhard. Whatever. I've liked the last two pages from him much more than the first three. Acquired taste, maybe.

Meh vibes from

sobolev

. Nullish, I don't know.

fos froggy

. His entry reads like someone who wants to be seen asking questions actively than someone who gives a shit about the answers. Don't ask me to explain the difference, I probably can't.

fos guilty lion

. Something is going on between him and sobolev. If someone is pocketing someone else, I always look to the more experienced player first.

VOTE: bella

Kara! Good to see you again. Sorry you flipped red this time.

VOTE: Eddie Cane

VOTE: Eddie Cane

why didn't you say anything when you made this vote?

Well it wouldn't be naked otherwise, now would it?

....I have no idea what to make of all of that, apart from to say that probably isn't our scum team.

VOTE: sbf

[Eddie Cane]

Oh and since it wasn't clear: that's the iso.

[Eddie Cane]

Oh and since it wasn't clear: that's the iso.

[Eddie Cane]

I have no strong reads in either direction at this point. just leans. sbf's iso is just him voting me and never providing an explanation to the multiple people who asked (iirc).

[Eddie Cane]

@eddie

?

and you have been contributing. you're a town lean for me.

what exactly has Bork done to earn a tr that can't be easily faked by scum?

I thought I answered this?

[Eddie Cane]

and you have been contributing. you're a town lean for me.

what exactly has Bork done to earn a tr that can't be easily faked by scum?

town read is different from town lean. it's early d1, strong reads are rare. I'll quote stuff in a sec on mobile and formatting is hard

VOTE: Sobolev Space

Hi Sobolev! I'm town this time, are you?

VOTE: GuiltyLion

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eKgPY1adc0A

@GL: any thoughts on how SS responded to your Q or were just using this as an RVS opening

to me it seemed if she were scum she'd likely have focused on directly addressing the question in the latter part of the statement rather than focusing on paranoia wrt the former part
i'll admit i have fuckall else to go on in this game so far

VOTE: GuiltyLion

you're straining the bounds of my credulity that you think because someone (who recently got snowed by you at that) just saw your scumgame that they'd never possibly roll town and legitimately misread you again; it instead sounds like posturing

i ask how many games you played because people misread each other game after game after game and someone who's been on site and has played 40+ games should know that

p-edit: this one.

i am curious as to how you differentiate how scum-me handles that on a townie vs on a buddy

generating conversation actively. this game has been extremely slow so that's a plus. scum has no reason to start discussion when the game is at this pace, there's no reason for them to when everyone is around the null mark for the most part.

[Eddie Cane]

then vote me, not sbf

Here's some wifom, but why would I push bella if I were scum? It does me no good to push her when I know she's going to initially be paranoid of me as town (because she always is when she's town). Especially after the only other time I rolled scum while bella was town was the very first time I played with her, and I pushed her there. My best play as scum is to buddy her, make her feel comfortable with me, and go from there. It does a scum version of me no good to push bella here at this stage of the game.


Also, why are you townreading eddie? I don't really see a reason to townread him yet.

sbf is a good vote for now. he has basically checked in and that's it. this game is new but God damn 2 short posts with no content is not enough. voting will pressure him to actually do something - or justify voting me at the the very least.

[Eddie Cane]

btw - using wifom on yourself is... something. "I've played with x and did y and z happened so logically as town I should do p." is reaching.

[Eddie Cane]

but eddie did do one of my biggest scumtells, so yeah

And what would this be?

[Eddie Cane]

calling me out for using wifom on myself

its something so easy for scum to latch onto. And it works almost every time. I have plenty of examples.

btw - using wifom on yourself is... something. "I've played with x and did y and z happened so logically as town I should do p." is reaching.

I guess that's a callout...? technically?

[Eddie Cane]

VOTE: bork

For assuming everyone's gender.

@eddie
can you get an avatar plz?

You will receive the I Am Error Achievement for this!
(For pointing out a Mod Error). I'll post a list at the end of the game.)

That last closing parenthesis has no corresponding opener.
Achievement earned!!!

....I have no idea what to make of all of that, apart from to say that probably isn't our scum team.

Why not?

and you have been contributing. you're a town lean for me.

what exactly has Bork done to earn a tr that can't be easily faked by scum?

(Any reads?)

Lowell and SS are town.
never lynch them
frogger makes me nervous
but I'm intrigued by his read on bella

@eddie

?

and you have been contributing. you're a town lean for me.

what exactly has Bork done to earn a tr that can't be easily faked by scum?

Why is lowell town

tonal read
all 3 of his posts are dripping towniness
taking the game serious but still relaxed and not at all concerned with how he's viewed by others

what I really want is bella to talk about Frog

@ed
sorry I missed that.

pretty bare.

you said why lowell is town. why is ss town?
anything more re: frogger or re: bella? what is intriguing there?

[Eddie Cane]

hm

I'm going to refrain from saying something pending what sfb comes back with. I have something interesting though.

I also do not get tttt being so high at all btw, through the rest of these reads line up similar ish to mine so it's not awful. Lowell needs to produce more too for an accurate read.

[Eddie Cane]

hey btw idr if I said it in this game or not but assuming I'm still alive i'll be v/LA for most of March. going away for almost 3 weeks. I will have Internet access so I'll still be here but it'll be limited. 7th-25th to be exact. just a heads up.

[Eddie Cane]

hey btw idr if I said it in this game or not but assuming I'm still alive i'll be v/LA for most of March. going away for almost 3 weeks. I will have Internet access so I'll still be here but it'll be limited. 7th-25th to be exact. just a heads up.

Then why did you join this game?

because on a site where days are 2 weeks long I don't want to wait 2 months to do a mafia game?

[Eddie Cane]

I'm not particularly enchanted by Cain's anti-town opening or their apparent discontentment with my vote. I haven't seen anything from the slot that would warrant me unvoting. For those who asked, I did not enter RVS.

My gender is female.

lol

my anti town opening of naked voting myself?

I'm not particularly enchanted by your third post in the game being bad and the other 2 being worse.

I am keeping my vote here.

[Eddie Cane]

{bork,

TTTT

}
{

lowell

, eddie}
{SS, bella}
{fro99er}
{SBF}

I'd like to pick your brain about the bolded

specifically I don't think TTTT has done really anything but throw out some vaguely reasoned townreads and asked a couple questions; was surprised to see him on your top tier
lowell I just don't really have a good handle on; I find him opaque and don't empathize with the reasoning behind most of his reads

so I don't really expect everyone else to agree with me on this, but 150 rang town for me for a few reasons:
- the strong SS townread seems unnatural to come from scum - I don't think SS has done anything especially obvtown this game to force a TR, and I would expect scum to try to keep her mislynchable if she's town. I also don't see much of an incentive for a scum!TTTT to try to defend/TR a town!SS here either because she's also not receiving a lot of attention/wagon pressure. Basically, I don't think it's an angle that scum!TTTT would have taken with his reads here, especially this early.
- he mentions being "nervous" about fro99er which I imagine is coming from the same suspicion/issues I had with his posts, before I had come to the thread to bring those up
- he actually doesn't give a read on you when he answered the question. I think someone operating from a scum mindset would be more likely to throw in a read on the person questioning them, instead it reads to me like he's in a mindset of genuinely giving you info to work with.

Lowell I wouldn't say I have a good handle on either, just mostly feels like he's legitimately trying to game-solve. I'd say him reversing his read on you from 65 to 114 is the thing that vibes town to me the most, but it's definitely a weaker read.

obviously both alignments do it - i do it - but I typically see scum being the ones to call someone town out of seemingly nothing. it gets that person on their side, while seemingly looking townie for directing the lynch strongly away from someone. I'm neutral on tttt, but I disagree with that being a good reason to town read someone.

[Eddie Cane]

ss is a newer player which makes them a good target. someone said it wrt you earlier but idr who. however, your point is reasonable otherwise.

[Eddie Cane]

question of the day is does scum-lowell forget to even mention buddy scum-sbf in catchup post 114

I am thinking probably not and that they're not scum together

I agree. sbf had next to 0 content, he was easy to forget, but a scum buddy wouldn't do that most likely because he'd be on the mind. both could independently be scum but most likely not together.

[Eddie Cane]

Oh thanks for reminding me

still waiting on sbf.

[Eddie Cane]

sbf has done nothing and it's 12 pages in. is that normal for her? we've never played before.

tttt is actually sketching me out now. his iso is pretty barren, he asks me a question, throw out some naked reads, votes me for undisclosed reasons. more of a null than town.

Lowell is iffy too. I feel like he's definitely experienced enough to appear townie and make fake reasoning if he wants, so I don't scumread him for seemingly baseless things. I don't get the bella vote though. null.

frogger is scummy, his push on me is fucking terrible. good justification such as 104 and 276. scum lean.

bork is obvtown. I justified it a bit much earlier but now I think everyone is townreading him so no point writing an essay.

holding back gl Sobolev and Bella for now.

[Eddie Cane]

missed

[Eddie Cane]

VOTE: Eddie Cane

VOTE: Eddie Cane

why didn't you say anything when you made this vote?

Well it wouldn't be naked otherwise, now would it?

....I have no idea what to make of all of that, apart from to say that probably isn't our scum team.

I'm not particularly enchanted by Cain's anti-town opening or their apparent discontentment with my vote. I haven't seen anything from the slot that would warrant me unvoting. For those who asked, I did not enter RVS.

My gender is female.

this is why I'm voting sbf. she has done 0. 0. she came back and produced nothing. I want her to take stances and start posting.

[Eddie Cane]

unvote

Vote tag corrected.
You're welcome!

[Eddie Cane]

For what it's worth I was planning on voting GL here like that ever since our last game ended. The vote on me/question to me had no bearing on my first post.

I think it's a bad argument but bork seemed to be pushing back on it enough for me.

Sure. GL made a bad argument but you seemed to be calling it out in post 38 and later 46 so I felt no need to comment on it, at least until GL responded to you.

I would indeed expect a scumflip from me to indict rather than clear GL (if anything) for that really abortive interaction

This reads off to me. The sentiment makes sense, but the phrasing is not how I would expect town to put it.

@Fro99er - is your Bella read solely based off 80? I didn't think it was that unreasonable of an inference.

Care to explain the town read on me?

@Lowell - what caused the change in your read on me from 114 to now?

hey btw idr if I said it in this game or not but assuming I'm still alive i'll be v/LA for most of March. going away for almost 3 weeks. I will have Internet access so I'll still be here but it'll be limited. 7th-25th to be exact. just a heads up.

Don't worry Eddie I'll make sure to get you lynched before that

On a more serious note, I've skimmed through Frog's iso in a couple other games and I'm not seeing this as scum. His play in Mini 1734 (http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=53&t=63822) reminds me a lot of his this game (although I haven't read it too in depth). Null for now.

GL's last few posts are atrocious.

Questions in 209, especially the last one, seemed pointless

the strong SS townread seems unnatural to come from scum - I don't think SS has done anything especially obvtown this game to force a TR, and I would expect scum to try to keep her mislynchable if she's town.

"I don't understand why TTTT is strongly TR-ing SS so he's probably town"

see I generally agree with this, but I don't think SS would be the townie that TTTT would do that with. She's been pretty low key and under the radar. There's no lynch to strongly direct away, and there's no massive SS presence that needs to be buddied/pocketed/townread.

How on earth would scum town reading some rando direct away a lynch? Who do you think scum would choose to fake TR instead of me?

Okay GL is probably town. The GL I remember would be attacking me harder for my last few posts.

VOTE: Lowell

I can see Lowell and eddie as a team right now

^

I didn't quote everything. but anyways, his iso is just trolling and has extremely minimal content. there is very little content here and a lot of fence sitting: 222 is just shade, more importantly, I hate 229. he says he doesn't see it coming from scum and then proceeds to call it a null read. you literally just said it doesn't come from scum, so why would you not at least town lean him? there's just so little content and so much joking in your iso. I disagree with the notion your play is earnest; you're a competent enough player and I dislike you posting enough to stay "active" while not coming out with any actual content.

VOTE: Sobolev Space

[Eddie Cane]

Spoiler:

VOTE: GuiltyLion

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eKgPY1adc0A

@mod

-

1. This game will have public voting with 14 day deadlines until the start of day 3. From then there will be 10 day deadlines.

Day one ends March 14th at 1pm EST, or in (expired on 2017-03-14 13:00:00)

Is day 1 14 or 24 days long?

Sick.

^ is this to me or GL?

For me just 1 full game and 2 games where I replaced into a slot.

What point?

You will receive the I Am Error Achievement for this!
(For pointing out a Mod Error). I'll post a list at the end of the game.)

That last closing parenthesis has no corresponding opener.
Achievement earned!!!

Damn I wanted to be special.

Great minds think alike bork.

Care to explain the town read on me?

hey btw idr if I said it in this game or not but assuming I'm still alive i'll be v/LA for most of March. going away for almost 3 weeks. I will have Internet access so I'll still be here but it'll be limited. 7th-25th to be exact. just a heads up.

Don't worry Eddie I'll make sure to get you lynched before that

GL's last few posts are atrocious.

I can see Lowell and eddie as a team right now

^

Bork when we sync up completely we'll become a single unlynchable, unkillable super town.

out of his 31 (?) posts, around half are filler/joking. the others are almost all extremely low content as well. scum hunting doesn't work if you only answer questions, produce other content. you don't need to be directly involved in something for a discussion.

You'll want to use "spoiler=" next time.

You're welcome again.

[Eddie Cane]

I didn't quote everything. but anyways, his iso is just trolling and has extremely minimal content. there is very little content here and a lot of fence sitting: 222 is just shade, more importantly, I hate 229. he says he doesn't see it coming from scum and then proceeds to call it a null read. you literally just said it doesn't come from scum, so why would you not at least town lean him? there's just so little content and so much joking in your iso. I disagree with the notion your play is earnest; you're a competent enough player and I dislike you posting enough to stay "active" while not coming out with any actual content.

I am going to continually fight you on an SS lynch and no one else agrees with you. This is a vanity lynch that you're not gonna get. Do something else.

Don't be sure. why can't ss be lynched? what makes them so townie for you? or sell me on another scum read. Otherwise, my vote stays where it is and I explore others to join.

[Eddie Cane]

why can't ss be lynched? what makes them so townie for you?

i've talked about SS a decent amount in my ISO, but if you want to rehash it it's probably gonna have to be later tonight

Yea you have. I want a put together town sandwich hough, not just crumbs.

[Eddie Cane]

if i flash wagon anyone it's probably gonna be TTTT; SBF doesn't really look overtly scummy to me, just has some points i don't really get

what about tttt makes you want to flashwagon him?

[Eddie Cane]

I'm still pretty sold on eddie town; he just seems incredibly honest in his process right now (mostly @frogger @bella, who have historically opposed that read)

like 331 he could just take what I gave and been fine with it instead of continuing to prod about it, and i don't think he's doing it to read me (or fake reading me if he's scum) - i think he really does give a fuck about sorting SS

@eddie i'll try to do my best to articulate my SS read soon but it's not my highest priority right now

no rush, still plenty of time.

[Eddie Cane]

I am not tring gl.

in his defense for that particular part though, you (sfb) had next to 0 content a decent way into the game. wagoning that is fine, especially if he townread me at the time of voting.

[Eddie Cane]

prodge

i'll try to post tonight, might be tomorrow. I work in NASCAR analytics so this weekend is our super bowl.

?

[Eddie Cane]

this is a vanilla game so nobody had incentive to get an l-1 for a claim, just a thought. I haven't played all vanilla on ms before so I dunno if this is normal.

[Eddie Cane]

I don't like l-1s because people on this site lolhammer

[Eddie Cane]

The eddie wagon is bad and you should feel bad.

i have reasons

which were?

[Eddie Cane]

I've been useless the past couple days.

It's Daytona 500 today and my job's in NASCAR so i'm busy as all hell. I have things I want to say and I'll say them tomorrow.

Out this weekend, sorry. Will be back by Monday afternoon.

*farts*

[Eddie Cane]

this is why I'm voting sbf. she has done 0. 0. she came back and produced nothing. I want her to take stances and start posting.

See, I also take issue with this.

Bella -- this is exactly what sheep did in our game we just finished. Just voting for pressure but not doing anything with it.

but... sbf started posting so it was no longer necessary ?_?

[Eddie Cane]

Lowell, thoughts on frogger?

[Eddie Cane]

for example, explain how you think he gives a fuck about sorting SS. to me the read is really shallow.

in progress, actually;

Eddie I gave 341 and thusfar you've not even acknowledged it despite specifically asking me for it. Why?

Still not seeing how you're attributing SS' iso as mostly trolling / minimal content; like even the stuff you're quoting has reads and analysis; if you're going after people for minimal content i have no idea why you singled this player out. If you're peeved that it's peppered with jokes every once in a while like 198 who cares?

I'm intentionally not commenting on it for now.

[Eddie Cane]

though I meant to unvote last night and I guess I fell asleep because I'm still voting ss so

unvote

[Eddie Cane]

this is about where I'm at rn, towniest top scummiest bottom

bork

sbf (came back from being idle with a vengeance)

bella

Lowell

GuiltyLion
tttt

frogger
sobolev


nobody has stuck out as super scummy to me which is strange. I'm locking bork as town so if he's scum he should keep me around for an easy lylo win. I'm going to go back and review isos tomorrow when I have time. particularly, I want to look at Lowell (who everyone is scum reading but I'm not buying), and frogger/bella interactions. I'll probably also cross check some bella stuff. I do not like how frequently frogger speaks to bella, especially since I regard her as fairly townie. I definitely have to analyze tomorrow when I'm less tired, because there's nobody I scum read enough to want to vote and that is

really

weird for me.

[Eddie Cane]

this is about where I'm at rn, towniest top scummiest bottom

bork

sbf (came back from being idle with a vengeance)

bella

Lowell

GuiltyLion
tttt

frogger
sobolev


nobody has stuck out as super scummy to me which is strange. I'm locking bork as town so if he's scum he should keep me around for an easy lylo win. I'm going to go back and review isos tomorrow when I have time. particularly, I want to look at Lowell (who everyone is scum reading but I'm not buying), and frogger/bella interactions. I'll probably also cross check some bella stuff. I do not like how frequently frogger speaks to bella, especially since I regard her as fairly townie. I definitely have to analyze tomorrow when I'm less tired, because there's nobody I scum read enough to want to vote and that is

really

weird for me.

bork, what are your thoughts on this?

[Eddie Cane]

@eddie: I understand your sobolev read even if I think we need to work through that a bit more; why is frogger scum?

Everything else I don't take any major issues with, even your null-lowell.

I'll answer this tomorrow more in depth when I have energy. I do not like his replies to me nor his posting as a whole.

[Eddie Cane]

posts like that are exactly why. I literally just said why I wasn't pushing you; "nobody has struck me as super scummy", "ill answer this tomorrow in depth". you cherry pick and neglect to read.

[Eddie Cane]

firstly; I don't like your posting activity straight up. you come, spam some posts, disappear for a while. I get being busy irl isn't scum indicative but your post timing is just extremely inconsistent and it bothers me. just a gut level thing, but it's there and bothering me.

your interactions with bella are a HUGE amount of your posting and don't really amount to much. a seemingly strong scum read (140 for example) turns into a soft town read? dunno, it's definitely conceivable your read could change but your bella interactions are started by you for the most part and just so much of your posting. almost looks like it was intended to warm up to her and buddy her later on as seen in the beginning of 276 (really awkward wording) and 388.

that's a lot of wifom. but on the topic of wifom, I still think your wifom based argument on me was trash - my "callout" of you for your self wifom. we've gone over that and you had examples but I didn't exactly whip out a pitchfork and torch over it so I still don't like it.

your posting just really bothers me. 391 bothers me, 393 is reaching, 395 is misrepresenting (I did not say joking = scum... and joking is scummy if it takes away from the conversation away and brings the thread on an unhelpful tangent but that's off topic, and 405 just kinda seems off to me, as if it's intention was town cred, 406 does not bode well with me either and that tone seems like a form of ate in an indirect way (I can explain that if it doesn't make sense in that wording), and of course, 438.

There's no super strong solve here. frogger has ~decently~ constructive posts overall. however, noticing timestamps, it is weaker, and it all feels off to me. I've already said I have no super strong scum read, so I guess you're now my strongest as you look worse than Sobolev to me after reviewing.

VOTE: frogger

[Eddie Cane]

@eddie: I understand your sobolev read even if I think we need to work through that a bit more; why is frogger scum?

Everything else I don't take any major issues with, even your null-lowell.

I'll answer this tomorrow more in depth when I have energy. I do not like his replies to me nor his posting as a whole.

Fucking explain.

You were just able to reply to me

there's a difference between having enough effort for a quick reply and for and case? Jesus you're dense. I had a burst of energy though so here you are.

also, for the record, I didn't view pedit and voted frogger before seeing he voted me, but I can't prove that so ah well doesn't matter.

[Eddie Cane]

posts like that are exactly why. I literally just said why I wasn't pushing you; "nobody has struck me as super scummy", "ill answer this tomorrow in depth". you cherry pick and neglect to read.

But you put me in the bottom tier of your list. I want to know why. It's not for my most recent post because you put me in the bottom tier before I made that post

Do you seriously think I'm neglecting to read? Seriously?!

seriously!!

[Eddie Cane]

spam some posts, disappear for a while. I get being busy irl isn't scum indicative but your post timing is just extremely inconsistent and it bothers me. just a gut level thing, but it's there and bothering me.

Explain the problem with my post timing?

Because it's been consistent site wide

I don't care about consistent site wide. Disappearing for major parts of discussion let's you coast a lot more. You are producing content, but it's like a balloon: you absorb everything and then pop with info, and you get to and void the party drama as helium is pumped into you.

[Eddie Cane]

first: I agree you're probably reading the thread. I take issue with you saying you're actually absorbing info, because I already explicitly said both of the things you asked.

second: you voting me after I scumread you is cute

third: 403 and 388 for example implied intent to town read if that makes sense. it looks like you're setting up to buddy bella later.

fourth: I'm too tired for this argument

fifth: STOP SPAMMING AND FUCKING PUT EVERYTHING IN ONE POST

[Eddie Cane]

almost looks like it was intended to warm up to her and buddy her later on as seen in the beginning of 276 (really awkward wording) and 388.

Do you really believe I am scum who came in here to meta scum read Bella then buddy her?

The best part is I don't have a good read on her so how is this me buddying her?

yes!I do! because you backed off and are now moving towards a townier direction. you are setting up buddying, I've already linked posts that evidence this.

and it's not a future state, I already linked examples of early buddying.

this is getting circular.

[Eddie Cane]

Especially after you said it WAS buddying and now changing your tune to setting it up as buddying

You are actually so fucking obnoxious

I'm done replying to froggers repetitive spam posts, going to bed in a few so if anyone wants to direct something to me quickly hmu.

[Eddie Cane]

Re-reading now.
I'm up to my infamous post 150
might have to stop and finish later
after six pages Bella looks like scum
lowell/frogger/SS/bork all get to be town for now
GL/sbf/eddie null

explain the bella scum read. I'm not sure where I'm at with her. The meta had me scum leaning, but she hasn't really done anything scummy I can point out. In fact, I liked her pressure of me when she said I just ignored her reasoning around calling Bork/GL a scum-scum interaction.

this is why I'm voting sbf. she has done 0. 0. she came back and produced nothing. I want her to take stances and start posting.

See, I also take issue with this.

Bella -- this is exactly what sheep did in our game we just finished. Just voting for pressure but not doing anything with it.

These are examples I've already linked. you are showing early buddying. it just didn't develop. constantly bringing up that she's your best friend does not help.

[Eddie Cane]

anyway. i'm town. lowell is confusing af, bork is town, gl might be town. come talk to me.

I'm town too, I'm just not there yet with you if you are.

I agree with Lowell, but more than confusing I think he's just being shallow. I hate shallow reads, that's why I jumped on Sheep that last game.

Agree bork is town and GL is town. GL reminds me of PV or Anatole Kuragin when I read them boht as town in MAFIACEPTOIN despite both of them pushing hard on me. They both just seemed like they really believed what they were saying, even though they were wrong. I'm getting that vibe from GL too, that he really thinks I'm not playing intellectually (which I'm biting my tongue about) or with a deep understanding of the game. But he doesn't understand that my gravitation this game is toward you and figuring you out as soon as possible and that's why it's so important to me, and he also doesn't understand that I take note of how people read me. I get wary of WKs/buddying of me, and I'm wary when people scum read me but don't do anything with it.

Our reads are close which makes me feel a bit better, but I'm still relying on the meta that I know of you and I'm just not there yet B.

I said the early part of 276 and this is what I was referring to. it is in the same boat as the above posts I linked, and really appears LAMIST to me. does not seem like a necessary edition to the post.

[Eddie Cane]

it just didn't develop.

maybe it didn't develop because that's not what's actually happening

becuase it's early d1 and it was happening RECENTLY? there's already 3 examples I've brought up now.

[Eddie Cane]

this is why I'm voting sbf. she has done 0. 0. she came back and produced nothing. I want her to take stances and start posting.

See, I also take issue with this.

Bella -- this is exactly what sheep did in our game we just finished. Just voting for pressure but not doing anything with it.

So bork, do you not consider this buddying? not a rhetoric question, I've been told I use the term buddying differently than most people on this site so it might just be me.

[Eddie Cane]

it could be called a mild form of buddying but i think a townread on bella has to preclude it and on a level it's just trying to get your scumreads lynched

like if he'd said it to me would it be buddying?

If he just completed a game with you, yea. Mafia is a psychological game and I'm a psychology student so I overanalyze some aspects. not really relevant here though.

did you read my initial post on frogger / have thoughts on it?

I have work at 5 am I really need to sleep but my brain is all juicy >_>

[Eddie Cane]

another example of not reading (eye roll emoji idk how to do)

"Bella -- this is exactly what sheep did in our game we just finished. Just voting for pressure but not doing anything with it."

how would this interaction make sense if you hasn't just completed a game? huh?

[Eddie Cane]

2 part reply spicy

a) tons of people scumread people and don't make arguments at the time or even at all. some players ie transcend do it consistently.

b) but, the more on topic answer is that it's the wording. you're agreeing with her, feeding her the answer. it's psychological manipulation.

[Eddie Cane]

another example of not reading

This is also clearly bullshit. Even if I misinterpreted you this is bullshit about me not reading and is just a lame attempt to throw shade on me

It was sarcasm as the line after it you left out of your quote suggested. and, on that note, you're giving me a headache and i think weve been back and forth enough so I truly am done replying to you.

[Eddie Cane]

I have work at 5 am I really need to sleep but my brain is all juicy >_>

447? i did read it and i'm rereading it.

Don't agree with your activity point at all.

I think he's interacted well with most people, I am ok with putting extra effort on Bella esp if he hasn't figured her out yet.

I think a lot of the other stuff is gut; there is nothing strictly wrong with that but I can't really corroborate it with you and it's going against my intuition that he is one of the few people attempting to solve the game.

I don't want to really shut the argument down because there is a lot of good stuff able to be taken away from this hopefully by more than just me

Yea

and again, remember that I already said it's not a super strong scum read. it'd why I scum lean him, though he's definitely below Sobolev now.

I'm also interested for what sbf says on the matter, and of course bella since she's a large part.

[Eddie Cane]

can't sleep

I've said everything related to it idk what more you want me to say

[Eddie Cane]

yes I did

[Eddie Cane]

spam some posts, disappear for a while. I get being busy irl isn't scum indicative but your post timing is just extremely inconsistent and it bothers me. just a gut level thing, but it's there and bothering me.

Explain the problem with my post timing?

Because it's been consistent site wide

I don't care about consistent site wide. Disappearing for major parts of discussion let's you coast a lot more. You are producing content, but it's like a balloon: you absorb everything and then pop with info, and you get to and void the party drama as helium is pumped into you.

It's like, I get activity isn't a good scum tell, but inconsistent posting is an advantage as it let's you avoid large parts of discussion. it's a weak point and I've acknowledged it as so but it's there.

[Eddie Cane]

inconsistent over the thread. you disappeared for significant parts

[Eddie Cane]

So you're scumreading me for being sitewide VLA?

sure. if that makes you happy.

Lowell, join me.im not voting gl.

[Eddie Cane]

dead



still waiting on comments from sbf and Bella.

@Eddie - if you want more content from me ask me questions. I've been trying to keep my reads closer to my chest than in previous games (for various reasons) but I'm still happy to work with y'all if you think I haven't been providing enough info.

thoughts on my case against frogger? any other game thoughts?

Spoiler:

[Eddie Cane]

I scum read frogger a lot more

[Eddie Cane]

bork

sbf (came back from being idle with a vengeance)

bella

Lowell

GuiltyLion
tttt

Sobolev
frogger

[Eddie Cane]

good attitude, good content (with just about no filler), rubs me the right way.

[Eddie Cane]

it's a girl so it's even better!

[Eddie Cane]

@eddie
plz tell me every thought you've ever had about Bella

can you ask a more focused question please!

[Eddie Cane]

@Eddie - at the time of your 313 what arguments that you made against me couldn't have applied equally well to TTTT?

I was avoiding reading him. I was curios where his vote on me and "reasons" turned out. if he continued I would've focused on him before eod.

[Eddie Cane]

@eddie
plz tell me every thought you've ever had about Bella

can you ask a more focused question please!

plz tell me every thought you've ever had about Bella

in this game

no post has struck me as scummy. I haven't thought "this seems off, let me review bella". I don't keep notes or anyrhing like that, realllllly not my style.

[Eddie Cane]

I liked 114 and 317 as town personally out of the listed posts

[Eddie Cane]

@sbf - answer my questions please

@mod

- vc please

[Eddie Cane]

good attitude, good content (with just about no filler), rubs me the right way.

the joking's great and all, but I was trying to engage with you and you just brushed me off with this.

why is "good attitude" important? I have a shit attitude as town sometimes. I know others do too.

what specifically about her posting rub you the right way?

good attitude does not mean literal "good attitude" as the dictionary defines it. I like her attitude in regards to the game, it's a tone type read though perhaps I should've clarified initially so my bad.

anyways, i have no intention of voting bella as it stands. I'll reread her I guess.

[Eddie Cane]

bork is clearly town leader and not sbf, it's crazy to suggest someome with 6 (lol) posts itt is leading town.

[Eddie Cane]

I agree the l-1 line is weird. why threaten to powerlynch someone who hammers? no shit we aren't going to roll over and let someone lol hammer, there's no trolls itg, it seems off.

[Eddie Cane]

I am still voting you and think people should join me!

[Eddie Cane]

I've quoted my reads list twice

[Eddie Cane]

though I will say sbf sinks having literally 1% of all posts, granted with good quality in those

[Eddie Cane]

1% of the posts in a 9 person game is not enough content

[Eddie Cane]

it also doesn't warrant being my second strongest town read.

[Eddie Cane]

I'd care more to reply if you weren't probable scum . I strongly disagree with you anyways and think posting is alignment indicative despite what most of ms believes, from personal experience it can be a tell depending on the situation.

[Eddie Cane]

if it comes down to it I'm voting gl over Lowell

[Eddie Cane]

you sound like you really need a smoke

[Eddie Cane]

I don't want to work with you because your posting is aggressive, spamming, obnoxious, and repetitive. I've replied to everything relevant, but it's giving me a headache and isn't worth it.

[Eddie Cane]

VOTE: GuiltyLion

This slot is what scum trying to pass as Town looks like. Opening posts were awkward and LAMIST. His SR on this slot lacks any semblance of authenticity and he basically just followed Cane. Most of his content consists of back-seat theorizing and ad-hoc hypothesis about what he or another would do as Y alignment, rather than actual hunting and sorting.

Cane is obviously Town by the way they've reacted to this slot. I appreciate the opening maneuver, having seen the follow-through.

I want to like Bellaphant for her reaction to the clumsy exchange between bork and GL, and her content has seemed fine overall to me, but Frog's case on her makes me tilt my head.

I like Space's initial response to GL, but the followup is too superficial and then quickly written off. I haven't seen the slot attempting to sort anyone in a serious way and the times it has given the appearance of doing so have been devoid of what I like to call the fire to find scum.

Town: Cane, bork, Frog, Low, 4T

Scum: GL, Space

@SBF: more specifically, what changed between 200 and now, considering I think Eddie's trajectory on you has not changed one iota since then and you don't seem to be townreading him for any other reason

Cane's opening was, as I see it, a reaction test. Scum love easy targets, and giving one to them is a very effective way to hunt.

What was awkward about them?

The tone. What else?

And are you calling it "LAMIST" literally just because I said "I'm town this time"? Because that's an

extreeeemely

weak case for LAMIST, and it looks to me like you just wanted to put the "scummy buzzword" in.

8 and 36 are both "me? scum? no way!", and your attempt to deflect this by calling the use of an abbreviation scummy is in fact a maneuver commonly used by scum to discredit those who bring cases against them. Buzzwords are actually only scummy when they're used in absence of a real argument, not as a way to succintly represent an argument, and in either case it isn't the word itself that is the issue.

Where did I even act like it was an "authentic scumread"? I saw someone lurking and not playing the game and I sheeped a townlean and voted them. I didn't write up a bunch of buzzwords and crap about how I thought you were scum.

Thank you for proving my point. I am your sole scum read in 169 and yet there was clearly no sincerity behind it. Now you are attempting to distance yourself from your prior stance while casting suspicion on my slot for unrelated content, also known as backpedalling and shading.

Like, this is something where you're describing my play but not actually pointing to why that makes me scum.

I am actually describing the things that I find scum motivated, contraposed with what I would find Town motivated. Your content has no significant Town motivation that I can detect. Your content is largely devoid of game-advancing material and is full of material that I find ultimately purposeless and distracting.

I feel this is the most disingenuous point of all. All of my "back-seat theorizing" and "hypothesis about what I would do as Y alignment" is entirely because people kept repeatedly pressing me on

how I had attempted to sort TTTT

. I'm answering multiple questions from eddie/bork/bella in those posts to explain my thought process and here you're pretending like I'm not doing anything else in between. I think anyone who was looking at my ISO with genuine intentions would see that I am making efforts to sort and probe people - take for example, my vote on you - and the way you're just handwaving a shitty summary of my play here reads extremely uncharitable to me.

Your way of justifying your reads has been so opaque and theoretical that the only way to find fault with them is by attacking their logic, which would be playing to your game by getting caught up in tortuous argumentation with no real end-point, and they are entirely devoid of actual serious comment on play in THIS game. They are superficial. Your vote on me was, as you have said, a sheep of your townlean. You did not back it up with anything, as Cane did. Your vote isn't even on me anymore.

VOTE: Lowell

I don't think town!Lowell would call me "opportunistic" here. It's simply not a meaningful or accurate description of my play, especially when the game is still early/halfway through D1, so I'm having a hard time seeing where he could be honestly coming from with that perspective.

I called you opportunistic, albeit without using the actual word, and you stated that my description of your play was essentially accurate ("you're describing my play"), if mistaken in the resulting conclusions. You have caught yourself in a trap. Despite finding fault with every part of my case against you and calling me scummy, you are now voting the slot that was previously a townlean over the slot that was previously a scumread. Voting Lowell here is a typical scum tactic, where you try to shed the negative attention on your slot onto another slot. You cannot keep your vote on me because by doing so Town's focus remains on our exchange, which is something scum!GL would never want but which town!GL would have no problem with. Again, you display no sincerity in your desire to sort slots.

How would you feel about an SBF lynch today?

If you are Town and believe that I am scum, you should aruge your case, not ask whether people are willing to lynch me.

I don't know. I want to see SBF's response to our questions about her Eddie read before making a full judgement, but I have a moderate scumread on her and think that lynch would do the least damage to town.

At this point my vote is probably going to stay between Lowell and SBF for the remainder of the day.

This is thoroughly anti-town behavior at best, very scummy at worst. They display no real interest in hunting scum or in sorting slots in a genuine way whatsoever.

Agree w/ GL 306 and 307

Please say more. This doesn't come close to cutting it.

I am going to continually fight you on an SS lynch and no one else agrees with you. This is a vanity lynch that you're not gonna get. Do something else.

How are you so certain in your Space read that you would WK them with Day 1 barely under way? I don't believe that Space is a vanity lynch and I would be perfectly willing to wagon the slot.

Spoiler: @bork

It might be barely underway for you, but I've been doing this for almost a week continually now and I like to think I have a good bead on at least a few slots.

I've been here the whole time.

134 i think shows she's continually questioning whether or not I am, as you say, WKing her (i generally see this used as a pejorative description of scum behavior) or i genuinely think she is town

Intention wasn't pejorative.

the sheer number of times either she or I have been about to post the exact same thing as each other leads me to believe we're thinking about the game in similar ways and hitting the same "this makes no sense / feels weird to me" type of notes. I think a scum player would have a hard time accidentally lucking into that.

I can appreciate that. Don't feel the same way at all, sorry.

sbf, you got any questions for me?

Why aren't you producing content? If you're Town, help me get a better read on you, because at the moment you're in my lynch pool.

Spoiler: @GL

You're arguing that it's scummy to not have a sincere and thorough scumread 160 posts in the game, which I find hard to believe. I had no townvibes whatsoever from your opening two posts, saw no evidence of game-solving, wanted you to get pressured/wagoned. That's entirely different from saying "I am very confident that SBF is scum", which feels like the arbitrary and disingenuous standard that you'ree trying to impose on me.

No townvibes = null. Significant scum vibes = SR. A SR is literally "I am confident this slot is scum". This is extremely straight-forward. There is meaningful contradiction in your stances and you can't talk your way out of this no matter how far you bend over backwards.

Your radar for Town motivation is either miscalibrated or not being used in this game, sorry. Talking to my townreads to try to get them to understand/townread me is not "purposeless".

I find your manner of discourse ultimately purposeless as the information provided by the exchanges does little to nothing to sort alignments according to any method of scumhunting I understand and it is far too early in the game to begin digesting reads with mutual TRs in the effort to reach compromise. There is simply no way to be sure enough in your reads on Day 1 for this and it is nonsensical to begin focusing on compromise when most of us have not even solidified our reads yet in the first place. Talking in this manner is, however, an excellent way to be TRed without actually producing content that advances the game state or roots out any scum. In short, your content lacks any meaningful Town motivation that I can detect.

Except I didn't ever

want

people to argue with my townreads, but I will always respond to questions about them. If you seriously think I was actively trying to draw out that discussion about my townread on TTTT then you should go back and read that entire exchange again. Every post I made with "theory" was in response to people asking me to explain myself. like I fucking knew as I was getting more and more drawn into answering all of the questions that someone was then going to try to push me on this. That's why I kept saying "i don't expect people to agree", "it's probably not intuitive", etc etc.

I didn't say that you were trying to draw out discussion about your reads. I said that your explanations of your reads are impermeable and any attempt to contest them on their own terms can only result in the questioner miring themselves in a bog of directionless argumentation.

And so what my vote isn't on you anymore? Why does that matter?

Because it makes no sense to move your vote off your SR immediately after finding fault in all of their content, and it makes less sense to vote the slot you previously townleaned because of an argument that your SR also made. If you weren't aware that I was calling you opportunistic I can only assume you were selectively reading my post.

No you didn't, if you called it opportunistic please show me where you did. And this entire section reads to me like you care more about "scoring points" in the argument about my alignment more than honestly and openly assessing my play and my alignment.

288: "His SR on this slot lacks any semblance of authenticity and he basically just followed Cane."

My read on Lowell changed because of his continued scumread on me for weak reasons. I changed the read. Why do you think that makes me scum, why is that something that cannot come from Town?

See above and my previous post for the answer.

a) I can and will put my vote wherever the hell I want, thank you
and b) I will continue responding to every single post you make, so don't give me this bullshit about "not wanting focus on our exchange".

Yes, you're forced to, given that I called you out. Changing your vote in the way you did strongly suggests that you wanted attention elsewhere, however. I don't believe that you lost your scumread on me after my post and gained a scumread on Lowell strong enough to warrant moving the vote, I believe that you moved your vote onto an easier target.

also it's generally just absolutely rich that someone with 5 posts total in the game is accusing me for not having "game advancing content" when I've been making an effort to interact with nearly every player

Shading my slot isn't going to help you.

like SBF's argument boils down to

1) GL voted me but didn't believe it
2) GL moved his vote off of me when I pushed back on him
3) he must be doing this because he doesn't want attention on me calling him out

1) is because it's early and I usually don't have much conviction in my scumreads early unless I find something extremely compelling, which hasn't happened this game
2) was due to the fact that I hated Lowell's reasons for scumreading/voting me and I did think SBF made a good point about SS which made me question whether they are operating from a town mindset
3) is just assumptions and completely made up

This is a pretty sad attempt at a misrep, honestly. The fact that you're appealing to others in this way is highly suspect.

I am not tring gl.

in his defense for that particular part though, you (sfb) had next to 0 content a decent way into the game. wagoning that is fine, especially if he townread me at the time of voting.

I wasn't taking issue with the vote, I was taking issue with the way it was done and what followed. I very much appreciate voting for pressure.

Cane is obviously Town by the way they've reacted to this slot. I appreciate the opening maneuver, having seen the follow-through.

Explain this further

I'll let Cane elaborate and will comment on any differences in what I perceived.

I like Space's initial response to GL, but the followup is too superficial and then quickly written off. I haven't seen the slot attempting to sort anyone in a serious way and the times it has given the appearance of doing so have been devoid of what I like to call the fire to find scum.

See that's the exact opposite with what I've seen from GL, at least with his push on me.

Explain how it was superficial. The "too quickly written off" is something that I typically see as a scum-scum interaction, or as town changing their minds. I'll need to read the interaction again.

It's the same kind of scum-scum possibility I got from bork and GL. A push, then a quick back off for what seemed like pretty superficial reasons. (Bork and GL have since both appeared town to me).

Read 222, 231, 246.

I almost feel like I

want

her to be scum even moreso than I actually think she is, because it's a really off-putting style of playing the game and if I'm lynched I don't see how she won't be the subsequent lynch.

I appreciate your point, but also kind of disagree. This should only happen if I'm pushing an agenda, not hunting. If my hunting finds scum then Town will notice. If you're lynched, it will be because of that. It takes several to lynch, not one. If you flip green and Town wants to scapegoat me for a bad read, that's their choice as well. If there are scum on your wagon, hunt them, don't rage about being pushed. That said, I've been looking for a specific towntell from you and I found it in this post, so thanks.


VOTE: Bellaphant

This is

L-1

. There will be no hammers. Anyone who hammers before we close in to deadline will lock themselves in as tomorrow's lynch regardless of flip.

Bellaphant, we need content from you. Don't wait for us to ask questions. There's a lot of content for you to go through and hunt for scum in. If you aren't sure where scum are, start asking questions about content that makes you unsure and go from there. Start conversation. To begin with, you can talk to me about your read on the people on your wagon.

Talk to me about your 4T read. Why are you voting him? What about his ISO is appalling to you? And what do you think about Cane's content since your 285? Talk to me about your Fro99er read.

do you want a line by line reply?? I don't have a computer, I don't usually type walls. how about you play the rest of the game exclusively from mobile and tell me how much you enjoy replying in fslth to someone obnoxious spamming you with 50 questions.

I'm not unvoting frogger

[Eddie Cane]

Yes, give me what you have on SBF.

Analyze her posts. Break them down.

Do it.

You first. explain why "2 of us 3" are scum

[Eddie Cane]

Eddie why are you scumreading me again?

Because I post a lot? Because I post intermittently?

What are your reasons?

why are you scumreading me?

why are you townreading everyone except Lowell sbf and myself?

[Eddie Cane]

look at frogger

when I start asking him the same tedious and annoying questions he's spamming me with he cops out

hey frogger answer those please! I know you're a self acclaimed great player so you should know that you analyzing sbf's posts should go completely differently seeing as you scumread her and I townread her. it's the same question that should have wildly different answers to both of us if you actually scumread her.

[Eddie Cane]

and answer them from mobile

[Eddie Cane]

if you aren't townreading her, why is she null?

[Eddie Cane]

For you it's because your scum read of me is manufactured. Your read of me comes down to "you hate my posting style", "i posted too much about bella", and "i'm posting intermittently"

I'm also scumreading you because you did my scumtell, which I've used to great success. Unlike GL who actually analyzed my self-wifom as to why it might not be correct. You just took the lazy scum way and called me out for it.

except both of these are garbage

[Eddie Cane]

you also haven't said why you tr tttt, bork, ss, gl.

[Eddie Cane]

I answered your questions at first.

[Eddie Cane]

I still think that slots scum

genuinely sorry you got angry enough to sub though, didn't mean to piss you off on a personal level.

[Eddie Cane]

@Fro99er consider staying in the game until Bella is prodded? You're a big part of the reason I inned to this game, I'd be bummed to see you go.

Threatening lolhammers with a powerlynch comes from scum just as easily as Town, I don't see your point. I'm absolutely going to make it utterly obvious that a lolhammer won't be tolerated, I've seen too many of those on MS, they are awful and often go unpunished. This won't happen in any game I'm in if I have anything to say about it.

I don't scumread Bella, I am voting her for pressure. This slot is the best place for my vote right now. I asked her pointed questions and when she answers satisfactorily them I will unvote.

@Cane please quote what you want me to respond to. Please also explain to everyone what your tactic was with the self-vote and subsequent push on me so that I can explain my read on you and we can move past this.

my frogger case. the initial one. just click my iso it's not hard to find most of my posts are short.

I self vote for reactions. I'm not delving further into that because I have specific tells I use for both town and mafia that are a lot more than just "he voted me he's maf lol". I probably do it in around half the games I'm in to open.

[Eddie Cane]

we only have a day left and it looks like the frogger lynch is going nowhere. anyone wanna sell me elsewhere or join me? I'm not voting Lowell or bork today.

[Eddie Cane]

UNVOTE:
here is why I think sbf is town.

their reaction to myself (and subsequently gl) voting them was good. she came back with 288, a very townie post imo. I personally just relate to it as I love analyzing wagons on myself, and she correctly read my vote on her as town motivated and went after the other one. GL may or may not be scum but he was a good target from sbf. it also helps her reads line up with mine - particularly Sobolev scumread early, though admittedly I don't get the bork read

and @sbf please explain that

.

that's mostly what I like from sbf; it's not self preservation, it's offense. for someone with very little posts there's a ton of meat, and it for the most part clicks with me.

sbf voting bella to l-1 was fine from my perspective. I did not like the l-1 line and I did not like her asking me to explain my opening before she posted her interpretation of it.

take 336 - she asks exactly what I want to know so to speak. an actual reply in GuiltyLion in detail, questioning of ss, and questioning bork. it's not just filler questioning, it's game furthering info.

[Eddie Cane]

@Fro99er consider staying in the game until Bella is prodded? You're a big part of the reason I inned to this game, I'd be bummed to see you go.

Fine I'll stay in

I don't even know who you are so I dunno why you'd in because of me

Damn. Sick power play.

Didn't like this and don't feel like frogger's "I'm outtie" was any attempt to get cred

I think it was sarcasm. that said, I don't think it was alignment indicative.

[Eddie Cane]

i am more sure than ever that Frogger is town (and no eddie i don't want to talk about it today) my GL townread is also up

I already accepted a frogger lynch isn't happening today so it's fine, I get you have irl stuff and dl is near.

[Eddie Cane]

@Eddie - down for an SBF lynch? If you'd like I can go more through her ISO and explain the scumread in depth but you seem to have a TR on her so I'm unsure if you'd want to join in.

sell me on it. as I said, Lowell and bork are the only people I will not consider.

[Eddie Cane]

considering Lowell is scumreading Frogger, it could be something that he's trying to say contributes to the scumread or sarcasm as

eddie

says; I don't really have any way of knowing which

ebwop

I read it as sarcasm / joking, it seems like a really weird angle to push

[Eddie Cane]

take a note from people like transcend if you want to avoid being meta'd =]

(me popping in but having nothing on my mind to post as I go back to reread stuff)

[Eddie Cane]

Essentially I don't think Eddie expressed any new sentiments in his read on her before 288 that he hadn't already expressed before 200 which makes the sudden change seem odd.

I have a reply to this

but I want you (@sbf) to answer first

[Eddie Cane]

"Since Eddie has declined explaining his behavior, I'll give my take on it. Eddie opened anti-town with a self-vote and patent refusal to contribute content. He followed it up by pressuring the slot that pressured him for this, which revealed the Town motivation hidden in his opening, namely to instigate content by appearing anti-town. His push on me was designed to sort me and punish me for opportunism if my reasons for voting him were not legitimate. There was no agenda besides hunting, and for this I townread the slot."



that's from 658. it doesn't answer the timing question though.

[Eddie Cane]

I have an explanation but I don't want to give her a copout, I want to see her reasoning.

[Eddie Cane]

Finished my work.

VOTE: SBF

Eddie I want you to explain your take on the timing issue because I don't buy what SBF is saying. The sentiments you express in 280 and 287 (i.e. SBF isn't doing anything) you express equally well in 174.

Heading to bed so will have to make my longer post tomorrow. I've already covered the basic reasons why I'm SRing SBF (although if anyone wants me to elaborate I will) so I was mainly just planning on going point by point through her case on me.

the game had progressed enough, I took it as more of a length thing where she decided I was genuine.

[Eddie Cane]

Methinks i can steal me a pagetop!

where's the vc loser

[Eddie Cane]

my interpretation was sbf has decided the game was progressed to the point where everything we were gonna get out of my self vote was gotten and it was time to analyze and advance. 90 posts is a long time

[Eddie Cane]

Methinks i can steal me a pagetop!

where's the vc loser

Can you swin something useful.

We're a day from deadline and as it stands now we're going to no lynch because Bella is gone, Lowell is gone, and you are sitting there not voting anyone.

How am I the only player in this game that scumreads eddie?

I'll vote before dl. right now I'm leaning ss. we definitely aren't no lynching rofl

[Eddie Cane]

I've been thinking about sbf a lot, along with my Lowell read (I don't like how dodgy he's being). she did explain in depth though; whether or not it satisfied you is up to you.

[Eddie Cane]

Still feeling frogger as scum here. I think he's trying to overwhelm us with activity and energy.

Frogger: "THIS IS HOW I ALWAYS PLAY. Get used to it wooooo Frog4LyFe!"

Sure, sure, but this feels more scum thread-bullying (in a massive text way, not in an abusive way) than it feels high-energy town.

@TTTT, no, seriously, no one ever thinks I'm town D1. You are suspicious.

and yet, never joined the frogger wagon and ignored my posts directed at him about it completely

[Eddie Cane]

did you not say recently that lowell was off the table for you?

Yea. I have no scum reads outside of frogger right now though so I reread a lot.

[Eddie Cane]

I've been thinking about sbf a lot, along with my Lowell read (I don't like how dodgy he's being). she did explain in depth though; whether or not it satisfied you is up to you.

do you have any deeper thoughts about SBF's back and forth with me or SS? why are you favoring SS

because I townread sbf.

[Eddie Cane]

Eddie's posturing to be on a Lowell wagon.

I dunno if that's so he can bus Lowell or because he knows Lowell is town, but eddie is scum

VOTE: Eddie

"Lowell might be town or scum but you're scum"

[Eddie Cane]

@Eddie - down for an SBF lynch? If you'd like I can go more through her ISO and explain the scumread in depth but you seem to have a TR on her so I'm unsure if you'd want to join in.

sell me on it. as I said, Lowell and bork are the only people I will not consider.

implies you were open to considering SBF; you've not really commented on it.

I considered sbf. I still don't think she's scum after a reread.

[Eddie Cane]

Eddie's posturing to be on a Lowell wagon.

I dunno if that's so he can bus Lowell or because he knows Lowell is town, but eddie is scum

VOTE: Eddie

"Lowell might be town or scum but you're scum"

this is exactly what he's saying and i think even he'd agree with that

and?

[Eddie Cane]

I thought it was too late in the day to vote like that, froggers still my strongest sr but it's apparent he's not getting lynched so there's still a partner to find

[Eddie Cane]

we are trying to lynch scum. clearly nobody is interested in voting frogger with me and nobody was interested in voting me with me. voting your strongest sr is nice and all but with under 24 hours on d1 left it's not a plausible outcome.

[Eddie Cane]

I thought it was too late in the day to vote like that

explain

Why quote this and then say you were asking about something else?

anyways, it wasn't a gap

[Eddie Cane]

823 was not a gap

[Eddie Cane]

?
gap = game advancing post = the post was in the category of joking, sarcasm, trolling, snark, etc

[Eddie Cane]

it's from another site so I guess that one isn't used on here much

[Eddie Cane]

we are trying to lynch scum. clearly nobody is interested in voting frogger with me and nobody was interested in voting me with me. voting your strongest sr is nice and all but with under 24 hours on d1 left it's not a plausible outcome.

Give me a break with this. Your suspicion of me is the most fake-ass read ever. I didn't vote frogger with you? And I play cagey? Try harder, guy.

I'd vote frogger, bella, GL, and a couple others I'm forgetting. Show me the wagon and I'm there.

You ignored me multiple times...

[Eddie Cane]

tell me WHY you'd voter frogger. you've talked about gl extensively and at least touched on bella. you're just fosing frogger with no given reason.

[Eddie Cane]

VOTE: frogger

[Eddie Cane]

ok dead thread

I really want to lynch either frogger or SS after thinking about it.

UNVOTE:

I will be on at deadline and in the time before it so there's no need for my vote to be out now as im unsure of the votecount. I am rereading frogger and ss with fresh eyes. If anyone wants to talk hmu!

hey

tttt

thoughts on this eod? haven't seen much from you recently.

[Eddie Cane]

we literally have no choice but to lynch bella now after Lowell's jump off that wagon.

Spoiler:

1. TTTT - would vote
2. GuiltyLion - yep
3. SweetBlueFlowers - nope
4. Sobolev Space - meh, I guess not
5. Eddie Cane - yes, if I have to
6. Lowell - nope
7. Fro99er - yep
8. Bellaphant - yep
9. borkjerfkin - nope

Just now seeing deadline. I'll make time to be on tonight to cast my vote before I leave.

Yeah I do that sometimes.

You want a frogger wagon? Let's do it.

VOTE: frogger

tell me WHY you'd voter frogger. you've talked about gl extensively and at least touched on bella. you're just fosing frogger with no given reason.

I just have a bad vibe there. Wish I had something more concrete to tell you. He just has that "I'm going to lead the town down my path through powerposting" scumvibe.

Why do we have literally no choice?

[Eddie Cane]

I never said I was intending to vote Lowell though? I was simply pointing out he never replied to a couple of my posts, hasn't been too active in eod, and still hasn't clarified whether his reply to froggers "intent to sub" was serious despite an awk small discussion about it.

[Eddie Cane]

I believe all thoughts should be in the open. information benefits town, not scum. I'm the kind of player who posts what's on my mind and not premeditate posts; if im ever intentionally avoiding a question I'll state that. you can check my games to see that's true.

[Eddie Cane]

he didn't have thoughts out for you he just fosd you which was my issue??

[Eddie Cane]

honestly frogger I think we have very different playstyles and it's causing a lot of informational disconnect

[Eddie Cane]

Why do we have literally no choice?

hyperbole

yes. what about it bugs you?

[Eddie Cane]

@Eddie - any updates on your reread of me/SBF?

wip

[Eddie Cane]

I don't think bella is a horrible wagon, I just don't scumread her. I explained why earlier lightly - none of her posts have stuck out as scummy to me. I think I missed that question specifically, after going back to the page I see there was a lot of questions directed at me so I probably forgot it. Lemme go back to bella iso d quote some content that brought a light tr.

[Eddie Cane]

@Eddie - any updates on your reread of me/SBF?

nothing really jumped out at me btw. you look a little better than I remembered but not significantly so.

[Eddie Cane]

I liked the tttt vote and 232. feels genuine. 285 is decent and I like how bella questions Lowell's oddball TRs (including my own).


that said, I remembered there being a lot more there. I'm not really opposed to a bella lynch rn, there's extemely minimal content overall. she flew psst me by all of her posts being ok at worst, but honestly it's a pretty bare iso. I wish she was posting for the past week - her last line was telling people to ask questions never even commented on froggers comments at/about her which saddens me

[Eddie Cane]

ugh

[Eddie Cane]

honestly frogger I think we have very different playstyles and it's causing a lot of informational disconnect

But he's still your top scumread?
I only ask because I feel like a lot of your reasons for scumreading him are because stuff you got from him directly via your arguments.

he is but it's deflating. this game makes me want to bash my head in, haven't played a game where I can't get a scumread I'm confident in for a while. I know you said you wouldn't talk about why froggers your tr today but if you could it'd help me a lot with today.

[Eddie Cane]

I can appreciate that.

[Eddie Cane]

I can appreciate that.

@bork... guess no pedits itt

[Eddie Cane]

@mod I think bella was hammered

[Eddie Cane]

yea not lynched nvm I misread something

[Eddie Cane]

or nobody will talk for 12 hours...
VOTE: bella

[Eddie Cane]

if this flips scum and I die tn I'd lynch ss tomorrow

[Eddie Cane]

NO TALK ABOUT LYNCHING BORK HE'S TOWN

[Eddie Cane]

second biggest scumread. fits with partner unlike my biggest, frogger, who i do not believe is a bella partner.

[Eddie Cane]

I would indeed expect a scumflip from me to indict rather than clear GL (if anything) for that really abortive interaction

This reads off to me. The sentiment makes sense, but the phrasing is not how I would expect town to put it.

@Fro99er - is your Bella read solely based off 80? I didn't think it was that unreasonable of an inference.

@SBF - what is your opinion on Frogger/Bella?

If you could know with 100% certainty that I was town who, aside from GL, would you think was scum?

eddie's is almost worse, 32 posts of...not a lot. he's quoted two short isos, which seems sketch, and there's not a lot of meat to anything.

Bella why didn't you follow up on this if it's almost worse than T?

Seconding this

these are ss's ONLY mentions of bella afaik. i remembered it being super low, but damn.

[Eddie Cane]

Like I'm kinda getting his feeling you just tacked on the conditional "if I die tonight" to look townie.
Why is that necessary?

It shouldn't look townie.

[Eddie Cane]

Okay.

VOTE: bella

Lowell town

[Eddie Cane]

if bella flips scum I doubt that was a bus dunno why my gut says it was genuine

if bella flips town I still think Lowell is solid town. if bella flips town that means frogger is again in my scumpool (since he's lock town with a bella scum flip in my eyes). Lowell voting frogger at a time everyone was ignoring me looks good for him, and he created the wagon even if it didn't go anywhere. he left only after it was clearly going nowhere to go onto another sr. Bella made sense as a vote for him based on his progression.

[Eddie Cane]

Hello, everyone, I'm now here. Back at work, and avoiding work, to your great advantage. Quick recap:

8-9- lion and sob play footsie
30- bork tries hard
32- bork tries hard
46- bork tries hard
48- lion reacts strangely to bork trying hard
51- bella tries not hard enough
59- bork tries hard
70s- eddie continues trolling
80- bella elaborates, sort of
112- twitchy post from sobolev

Townvibes from

eddie

. He's a troll, but the good kind.

Townvibes from

TTTT

. Little to go on here.

Townvibes from

bork

. Fine. Tryhard. Whatever. I've liked the last two pages from him much more than the first three. Acquired taste, maybe.

Meh vibes from

sobolev

. Nullish, I don't know.

fos froggy

. His entry reads like someone who wants to be seen asking questions actively than someone who gives a shit about the answers. Don't ask me to explain the difference, I probably can't.

fos guilty lion

. Something is going on between him and sobolev. If someone is pocketing someone else, I always look to the more experienced player first.

VOTE: bella

Kara! Good to see you again. Sorry you flipped red this time.

Okay back to bella, that seems to be where the pent-up angst is in this group.

VOTE: bella

My 1v1 with GL bores me. GL has permission to continue it, though.

Yeah I do that sometimes.

You want a frogger wagon? Let's do it.

VOTE: frogger

we literally have no choice but to lynch bella now after Lowell's jump off that wagon.

Spoiler:

1. TTTT - would vote
2. GuiltyLion - yep
3. SweetBlueFlowers - nope
4. Sobolev Space - meh, I guess not
5. Eddie Cane - yes, if I have to
6. Lowell - nope
7. Fro99er - yep
8. Bellaphant - yep
9. borkjerfkin - nope

Just now seeing deadline. I'll make time to be on tonight to cast my vote before I leave.

Yeah I do that sometimes.

You want a frogger wagon? Let's do it.

VOTE: frogger

tell me WHY you'd voter frogger. you've talked about gl extensively and at least touched on bella. you're just fosing frogger with no given reason.

I just have a bad vibe there. Wish I had something more concrete to tell you. He just has that "I'm going to lead the town down my path through powerposting" scumvibe.

Okay.

VOTE: bella

Lowell voted bella really really early, but more importantly voted her again and the second one stuck. He could've resisted and opted to stay on frogger or even go back to GL but he went bella without resistance. I don't see that as SvS, it was unnecessary.

[Eddie Cane]

Yeah, SS does seem interested in anything but a Bella lynch.

yet at the same time isnt openly defending her (it's not "Bella is town"); she doesn't even acknowledge the wagon. looks bad regardless of bella flip though definitely worse with red.

[Eddie Cane]

Mod reminder I'm VLA from tomorrow til the 25th

.


VOTE: tttt

[Eddie Cane]

gws

[Eddie Cane]

Bye bork.

The fact that we have 2 votes coming in today and neither of them are on GL is just depressing.

Here's what we're going to do guys. We're lynching me today. Tomorrow you quicklynch GL and win. No questions asked. That simple. This is the quickest solution and I don't feel like sitting around watching you guys get cold feet on an obvscum.

VOTE: Blue

yesterday you were voting Sobolev for a lot of the later part of the day. do you think the scum team is sobolev/gl?

[Eddie Cane]

GL, if you're certain someone's scum in this setup then day 3 is the optimal time to lynch them so you don't need to find a partner. thst said, I have no intention to lynch sbf because I'm fairly sure she's town, but it makes sense if she's 100% confident you're scum. I'm not, so I want her to convince me, and regardless I'm lynching someome besides her because she's my strongest living town read.

[Eddie Cane]

I sometimes act like I have 100% certainty for reactions, but I never have more than 90 (outside of pr results obviously). but anyways, that's off topic and more mafia theory than game related.

I obviously already said I'm not voting her today so nothing in b to reply to

[Eddie Cane]

I thought there was a decent chance I'd get nkd and Sobolev had thrown shade at him.

[Eddie Cane]

TTTT and bella have hard defended SS as i have previously stated. Why aren't yoy giving them shit about it?

4T's ISO defending Space:

Spoiler:

Bellaphant's ISO defending Space:

Spoiler:

I also can't see why ss would involve herself in the conversation if she was scum with either - it's tieing her to them in a way that isn't needed, but she does seem to want to clarify and stablise the conversation. I also don't think this was a wild conclusion to jump to.

(This is much more giving a read than defending, but whatever, it'd feel dumb to have 2 empty spoilers.)

Your ISO defending Space:

Spoiler:

I didn't quote everything. but anyways, his iso is just trolling and has extremely minimal content. there is very little content here and a lot of fence sitting: 222 is just shade, more importantly, I hate 229. he says he doesn't see it coming from scum and then proceeds to call it a null read. you literally just said it doesn't come from scum, so why would you not at least town lean him? there's just so little content and so much joking in your iso. I disagree with the notion your play is earnest; you're a competent enough player and I dislike you posting enough to stay "active" while not coming out with any actual content.

I am going to continually fight you on an SS lynch and no one else agrees with you. This is a vanity lynch that you're not gonna get. Do something else.

How are you so certain in your Space read that you would WK them with Day 1 barely under way? I don't believe that Space is a vanity lynch and I would be perfectly willing to wagon the slot.

It might be barely underway for you, but I've been doing this for almost a week continually now and I like to think I have a good bead on at least a few slots.

I probably misspoke with the vanity lynch thing and retract it -- I see right now probably you, eddie, GL willing to vote them.

anyway the ss read for you and eddie - the first thing that pinged town as I mentioned was the opening post again GL, which i think you all agree with so i'm moving on

I thought the post about me (109, 112) was a fine "this perspective seems off" type of read even if she didn't understand what i was actually saying at the time

The manner in which she is meta-ing frogger is correct and isn't being used to assert a conclusion she wants to push -- if you go looking for meta, and see different behavior from this game or see the same type of behavior in all games, i think a null read is the right conclusion to come to there.

has not blindly bloc'ed with me -- 134 i think shows she's continually questioning whether or not I am, as you say, WKing her (i generally see this used as a pejorative description of scum behavior) or i genuinely think she is town

the sheer number of times either she or I have been about to post the exact same thing as each other leads me to believe we're thinking about the game in similar ways and hitting the same "this makes no sense / feels weird to me" type of notes. I think a scum player would have a hard time accidentally lucking into that.

This is all the things that have occurred to me over the game -- going looking for more I think would be confbiasing. I am willing to hard defend her at this point because between her and Bella (and i'm warming up to both frogger and eddie) I don't see many people who are being that transparent about trying to solve the game, and townhunting is just I think a style that I have to fall back to because it has a high floor -- if i can pick out 3 or 4 true townreads, i have a much smaller chance of fucking up, even if i can't correctly identify scum (and my scumpool is wide enough and volatile enough that i think i have a good chance of guessing wrong D1)

for example, explain how you think he gives a fuck about sorting SS. to me the read is really shallow.

in progress, actually;

Eddie I gave 341 and thusfar you've not even acknowledged it despite specifically asking me for it. Why?

Still not seeing how you're attributing SS' iso as mostly trolling / minimal content; like even the stuff you're quoting has reads and analysis; if you're going after people for minimal content i have no idea why you singled this player out. If you're peeved that it's peppered with jokes every once in a while like 198 who cares?

I really don't like this, what I refer to as armchair meta (and town and scum both do it) where someone just looks and decides that they look different than another game of the alignment opposite of what they want the person to be and decide that that's the basis for their read. It is so so so so error prone that I don't do it. There are many, many reasons why someone's playstyle might change from game to game.

(739 is coincidentally also a misrep given that meta is a fraction of my case on Space, but this is typical of the selective reading you've been doing with all my recent posts.)

Because town!bork knows that his reads have a very high chance of being inaccurate part-way through Day 1 and doesn't hinder other slots from scumhunting (or giving the appearance of it).

Ugh. Lets back up because i know you're probably not trying to say this, but i feel that you're saying that only scum would defend a townread Because town might be wrong in doing so.

If you're not saying that, then please try to explain what you are trying to say and again why you are viewing my calling ss town differently than anyone else calling anyone (including ss) town

Giving a read =! defending. Defending =! hard defending.

I didn't actually include the majority of your posts reacting to my case on Space and GL, but what you have been doing is pretty chainsaw-y and ever since I made it you have been attacking me over inconsequential aspects of my arguments, which I've had to explain in such minute detail that my push on Space and GL has been lost in the process. Asking me to expand on what I'm saying is fine. Nitpicking on irrelevant details of my arguments and ignoring their actual substance is not fine.

Your reaction to me suggesting that there may be a world where scum!bork exists has been overblown and a complete distraction. Attacking my cases on Space and GL in the exaggerated and narrow way you have as been a complete distraction. If you are Town this behavior is something you seriously need to unlearn because this is textbook scum play and if I didn't believe that you were genuinely confused enough to need explanations about basic mafia theory and the semantic and syntactic composition of my posts then I would be hunting the fuck out of you right now.

Yea sbf not ss myb

[Eddie Cane]

prodge been on and off planes for the past day I'll catch up soon

[Eddie Cane]

Sorry for the absence all. Will read what I missed and post thoughts.

I want to be on the record as thinking Lowell's last post is terrible though.

not really sure if I agree; enough people were digging their heels in against the GL wagon

Do you really think enough people dug in their heels between 527 and 543 for that big of a reversal?

Don't worry, GL is still scum. Listen, you can't all love on GL all game and then complain when I get sick of waiting for others to join the wagon. I've got people to kill, here, I'm not just sitting around on a dead wagon. GL will have his turn.

This kind of attitude is protown. he's not just on a vanity wagon like some hopping creatures, he's hunting scum. the bella vote there was fine and he doesn't just blindly sheep the wagon later on, he tries to build a wagon on who I'd openly expressed as my biggest scumread (ftogger). I consider that townie behaviour because there was no reason to wagon frogger, I was being ignored by just about every other townie besides bork with his "I think frogger is town please don't ask me why". 584 had a good tone and feels genuine too.

that said, I want to see what Lowell does when he catches up to d2 and comes back.

[Eddie Cane]

I thought there was a decent chance I'd get nkd and Sobolev had thrown shade at him.

Oh come on. You were never gonna get NK'd with our 1v1. Either you're town and scum want to let our 1v1 fester, Orr you're scum. Either way you were never getting killed.

This is scum talk and anyone that doesn't see that is blind.

bullshit ^^ I could've easily been nkd because I don't think a single player WAS (not is) scumreading me besides yourself. plus, idk about you but I'm always paranoid about being nkd and always spout everything useful in twilight if im online. I did not want Lowell being an easy mislynch when I think he's town and I did not want bork to get mislynched come lylo if he was alive when *shocker* reads change.

again dude, you're pushing playstyle and not alignment.

[Eddie Cane]

no post has struck me as scummy. I haven't thought "this seems off, let me review bella". I don't keep notes or anyrhing like that, realllllly not my style.

That's strangely where I am with bella.

What seemed off was meta-based rather than actual scum motivation. I don't mind the pressure on her. It's warranted and hopefully helps us get a better read on her. Nothing she's really done has pushed the game significantly forward or showed a scum-hunting desire. Not even in her sarcastic manner that I love. Strictly conent-based, she's null for me.

Meta-based I haven't seen happy go lucky bella like from last game. But I haven't seen tryhard scum!bella either. I've just seen disinterested bella, which happens from time to time with her as town when she's getting scumread.

Also null for me, and that makes me both uneasy and bummed out at the same time. When we vibe together, we win. Sometimes in 9 pages.

@T4

This is why Bella was bull for me.

If you think I am supposed to have a strong read on Bella when she was missing more than half the day and I didn't have a real chance to interact with her then you're making shit up.

good post.

[Eddie Cane]

that's

l-1 on tttt

btw

[Eddie Cane]

here's where I'm at

I don't intend to lynch sbf

I probably won't lynch Lowell either though this is dependant on his d2 catchup

frogger was my lock scum read but I've liked his posts do far d2 other than the one directed at me and more importantly I can appreciate bork's 882/883 and respect frogger being his strongest town read. that same line of logic gave me a little doubt of Lowell but not enough to outweigh my tr.

thst leaves scum in Sobolev, gl, tttt, frogger. still need to sort that more closely. gonna look at interactions between them when I have time and see if any obvious partners or impossible pairs pop out at me a bit later, that's something I've used in micros before when I have a smaller lynch pool (finding partners is different from finding a team of 3+). I doubt it'll turn up anything good but you never know.

[Eddie Cane]

GL's "I've never been mislynched" is yet another scumclaim. The amount of times Town says this kind of thing? No. GL already knows everyone's alignment and his posts are soaked in it.

And in all the games I've played with Frog I've gotten a pretty good read on him. If he's scum this game he's got me fooled.

Lowell and Eddie are utterly obvious Town. I really doubt Space is scum by the way she reacted to me shitting on her case.

There's not much room for scum to move here. They misplayed Day 1 and they're paying for it as a result.

@Eddie - I never wanted to lynch bork, the way he was responding to my slot near EoD day there was just obvious as fuck Town. Don't take 801 out of context, I was essentially saying that if there wasn't good reason to believe he was genuine (strongly indicating Town) then his behavior was seriously questionable. The "if" being what I'm drawing your attention to.

@GL - If you knew who I was you'd know I don't go around telling people my towntells - you flipping scum here though is going to have to make me reconsider that one on you.

I thought there was a decent chance I'd get nkd and Sobolev had thrown shade at him.

Oh come on. You were never gonna get NK'd with our 1v1. Either you're town and scum want to let our 1v1 fester, Orr you're scum. Either way you were never getting killed.

This is scum talk and anyone that doesn't see that is blind.

Looks more like ignorance of the gamestate to me.


My PoE on scumteams is this:

1. {GL, 4T}
2. {GL, Frog}

Outside chance:

3. {4T, Frog}
4. {Space, Frog}

Can't really see anything else being the case unless my reads are just

completely

off, and my TRs on Eddie and Low are very strong right now.

omg the synergy (haven't read anything besides the votes)

[Eddie Cane]

Wait why didn't Eddie just come out and vote me?

If my above post didn't answer that lmk, I didn't see your post before writing it but I think it answers it satisfactorily

[Eddie Cane]

@Frogger - why is 942 scummy even granting that Eddie has no reason to assume he'd be NK?

In this particular situation scum!Eddie has every reason to be like "oh i thought I was gonna get NK'd"

It makes him appear as if he's town by pretending he was a possible NK victim without actually analyzing why him being a NK victom makes no sense.

It's just a statement to throw out there to appear town, without actually analyzing why that makes no sense.

lol

[Eddie Cane]

@Eddie - what was your opinion on SBF's TTTT case earlier today?

small, haven't specifically looked at potential partner interactions yet so can't comment on it really.

[Eddie Cane]

Mod reminder I'm VLA from tomorrow til the 25th

.


VOTE: tttt

Why the vote?

Now I answer this

[Eddie Cane]

and btw frogger the fact you just voted for the same person I did without knowing I did so should make you at least take a step back and think j/s

[Eddie Cane]

and btw frogger the fact you just voted for the same person I did without knowing I did so should make you at least take a step back and think j/s

OH GEE WHY DO YOU THINK I UNVOTED

I MEANT RETHINK ME NOT TTTT SHOUT MAN

[Eddie Cane]

this is circular

lol

I am mid reply to tttt vote reasoning I'll finish later

[Eddie Cane]

Why do we have literally no choice?

hyperbole

yes. what about it bugs you?

this annoyed me. but anyways, I don't like his bella push. he tunneled bella, for like, a long time, and other than that his only vote me for what he said in 376 was reaction gauging. 851 in general really pinged me, I disagree that we had to lynch bella and I only hammered because it was deadline and a flip is better than none. tttt did ask questions but his overall d1 presence was pretty low and non commital.

[Eddie Cane]

I saw my name I'll catch up when I have time

[Eddie Cane]

I saw my name I'll catch up when I have time

This is strange of me... really strange... like so strange... but I'm ok with being lynched. never have i said that and truly meant it. I don't have time or motivation to keep writing wallpostz and clearly my condensed reads are getting me in a bad light which is cool. don't end the discussion and day here though. keep looking for my partner if ya want, or look at the game through town!Eddie eyes and hunt. it doesn't benefit town to quick hammer me here regardless. I can't defend myself against fake reads bullshit so like if I get lynched over it I get lynched over it, just bad play. omgus etc idrc. if anybody lynches sbf at any point I'm putting them on my blacklist though, sbf is painfully obvious Town.

I consider that townie behaviour because there was no reason to wagon frogger,

I was being ignored by just about every other townie

besides bork with his "I think frogger is town please don't ask me why".

also.

in my newbier days I would consider this a scumslip revealing knowledge of a town!Lowell, but I've been burned on that once or twice so I'm just gonna say it reads to me like 70% of a scumslip. Not completely damning but if you squint it looks indicative. would town!Eddie be this subconsciously certain that Lowell is town to the point where he refers to being ignored by "every

other

townie"? There's an implicit assumption here that Lowell is town that I'm not sure would come out written this way if Eddie had no knowledge of alignments ahead of time.

This is the biggest bullshit I've ever heard lmfao the fact you think that's alignment indicative baffles me. not even on a game level, that's just a crock of shit. I can't actually believe someone believes this.

[Eddie Cane]

I'm aware it's defeatist but I'm just not enjoying this game anymore

[Eddie Cane]

I'd policy lynch Eddie Cane right now in all honesty I hate quitters, but if you don't I'm cool to flip any of tttt/gl/frogger/ss. I'd rather not the latter.

[/unvote]

[Eddie Cane]

UNVOTE:
oops

and anyone who thinks me and sbf is scum vs scum interactions: lmfao

[Eddie Cane]

he tunneled bella, for like, a long time

tttt did ask questions but his overall d1 presence was pretty low and non commital.

"tunneled bella"
"non commital"
choose one

tunneled bella
non commital to everything else

[Eddie Cane]

I'd policy lynch Eddie Cane right now in all honesty I hate quitters, but if you don't I'm cool to flip any of tttt/gl/frogger/ss.

I'd rather not the latter.

Can you clarify this?

Also if you're not feeling the game you should probably replace out. Advocating your own lynch is rarely pro-town.

I scumread you less than the other 3 now. this is a bit of a change from d1 but the other 3 are more likely to flip scum now imo. last time I posted reasons they were called fake so might as well leave that naked.

[Eddie Cane]

mfw I say I'm resigned and thread dies

e p I c

[Eddie Cane]

no lynch isn't necessarily BAD because it leaves 4v2 aka 6 ppl and town statistically does better with even numbers iirc, but it's pointless because scum can just no kill if they want to.

[Eddie Cane]

huh

I still agree lynching is best due to d3 mechanics forgot what game this was. it's actually probably better for 2 scum to be alive than 1 tomorrow. sounds crazy, ik, but like you have 4 people to sort of you're town. it's much easier to hunt for partners out of 4 ppl when you can poe. so I don't really mind being lynched today thinking about it that way, better than nothing.

[Eddie Cane]

I think it just means that today can flip town or scum with a much smaller disadvantage from a town flip than a d2 micro mislynch would normally have.

[Eddie Cane]

Goddam it, prodded.

The TTTT case looks bogus. And I'm not just saying that because he townreads me. Or maybe I am. Shit. Either way, not buying.

Also the eddie case does nothing for me.

I swear on all that is holy that eventually I will show up with a real case instead of hating on other peoples' cases. But that day is not today.

VOTE: frogger

Let's try this.

I don't really understand if he's calling my tttt case bad or scum!TTTT as a whole. There's little tangible content here."this is bad, this is bad, *votes someone unrelated*" it's not like some awful scumslip but definitely not an amazing post