NY 170: Georgetown II (Game Over)

[emogirl123]

/confirm

[emogirl123]

@mod: Can I chat in my scum QT before Day starts?

[emogirl123]

ur no fun i dont like you

[emogirl123]

You remind me of that guy, Crazy Ivan, from Red Alert 2.

kaboooom

[emogirl123]

you should, considering that you are scum, it is your objective to gain my approval. learn to play pls

[emogirl123]

I tried to here, but apparently your approval is immune to my charms. Since it is a hopeless cause, I'll be the bigger person and leave the thread before we flood it with useless posts. See you in a few.

[emogirl123]

@garmr: What does my post you quoted have to do with my second post about mafia qt? kaboom, you can be quiet in your little corner, i don't need you right now.

[emogirl123]

I can vote people for arbitrary reasons as well. For instance: VOTE: Garmr because he felt the need to explicitly state that his vote is no longer

suuuper

RVS for an arbitrary reason.

That's terribly weak though so no, I will not oblige.

UNVOTE:

[emogirl123]

If I were making an honest attempt to data-mine with my vote, my first priority isn't to explicitly state that my vote is no longer RVS.

I would question the person first. But hey, that's just my play style. Simply stating that someone is AtEing doesn't really accomplish anything other than fueling others to develop reads on your target for you. Please do some work yourself, don't be lazy.

[emogirl123]

VOTE: emogirl123 here you go.

[emogirl123]

So the premise of your vote on me is that I am new to this game. How would you react if I'm not? Is your vote still for pressure or are you scum reading me for god knows what.

[emogirl123]

Sorry, I don't have a reason. I just did it because I felt like it. If this means I am scum, I have slipped sorry my bad.

[emogirl123]

my god you two are stupid and a waste of my time, im leaving

[emogirl123]

If I were making an honest attempt to data-mine with my vote, my first priority isn't to explicitly state that my vote is no longer RVS.

This is because the vote has already been placed.

I wouldn't feel the need to explicitly state that the vote is no longer RVS, that is completely trivial. I place RVS votes only to data mine, but that is my play style. I just can't see why someone would say, "oh my vote is serious now", without contributing any new information. The vote just ended up being another garbage vote.

Extreme dislike.

[emogirl123]

Garmr, clarify please.

[emogirl123]

oh man you caught me. i was scum.

[emogirl123]

Humour me, answer my whatever I wanted you to answer.

[emogirl123]

Okay, kabooooom is definitely a VI.

Because of the way your acting.

You didn't really address the point I was trying to make, but I guess that is ok. I guess you just like stating that your vote is serious before explaining why.

[emogirl123]

V

an

i

lla Townie

Garmr needs to address why he voted for me yet made no comment on kaboooom's reasons for voting me, and dropped vote for reasons of AtE.

[emogirl123]

sorry it was posturing. i'll refrain it from now on

[emogirl123]

You dropped your vote on me because of AtE. Typo.

Here is my meta.

In the meantime, emogirl is being jumpy and her joking (I guess those are intended to be jokes) seems forced.
UNVOTE: Paschendale
VOTE: emogirl123

Hint: He was scum.

I retract my stupidity.

UNVOTE:

[emogirl123]

I already stated that in my 2nd reason that if you are not a scum, I cant see why you did that. You could have enlighten me if you had a reason, rather than argue.

I tried to be as insufferable as possible to bait a wagon for myself to analyze, but I changed my mind. Does this answer your question?

[emogirl123]

You probably guessed by now my daykill was faked.

Weren't you a little shocked when you realized that non of your scum partners were PRs?

[emogirl123]

Who said it was a vanilla only game?

[emogirl123]

Okay sorry guys. From this point on, I will put my sarcasm in italics for easy comprehension.

[emogirl123]

lmao where did all my votes go. Slandaar vote me please.

Better yet since your new do you know what a day-vig is. It's a townie that kills someone during the day phase.

daykill emogirl

So the premise of your vote on me is that I am new to this game. How would you react if I'm not? Is your vote still for pressure or are you scum reading me for god knows what.

Should have been clear to you by this point that I was not going to fall for a day-vig? Seriously, who would fall for a day-vig these days, especially when most people signed up for this game for the purpose of signing up for a mountainous game.

You probably guessed by now my daykill was faked. I saw the amount of games you did and thought I'd give it a shot to sort you out. I underestimated you because your newer and you didn't fall for it.

Of course I didn't fall for it, it should have been clear. You just spout out nonsense trying to look like you are validating new players even when it is clear that they are not new? I don't see what you were trying to accomplish other than act like you pro town without generating new content.

VOTE: Garmr.

Also Slandaar is probably town.

[emogirl123]

Note that my activity will be a bit off since I am currently in two games. I never play multiple games at the same time. This will be my semi V/LA warning until my other game finishes as I am not as devoted to this game at the moment.

[emogirl123]

Role spec is not my speciality, so leave me out of it please. If you wonder what I thought, I assumed there were 4 scum in one team. I'm half assing a town read on Slandaar because suggesting that this game could be multiball generates discussion, which is more than what half of you people are doing.

[emogirl123]

I assumed there were 4 scum in one team.

The wiki entry for "Mountainous" is the only definition I know. It simply refers to the lack of power roles.

11:2 Mountainous has an expected win rate of 36.2%, which is better, but not nearly what public expectation was.

I assumed there were 4 scum because I never played any other Large Normal before, but I recall there being 4 scum in a Large Normal for some reason. Now looking at the 36.2% win rate for town based on pure statistics for 13 players, it isn't too much of a stretch to have 16:3 if you look at the ratio.

This is my role spec.

[emogirl123]

Right. Set-up spec. I don't think it is too much of a stretch to scale 11:2 to 16:3. Also the first post of the game suggested that there are 3 scum anyways.

[emogirl123]

I would say that 16:3 is far too out of balance to be approved as a Large Normal, so it's highly likely we're looking at 13:3:3.

We are just scaling up 5:1 with an approximate 36.2% win rate for town. I forgot how to calculate statistics, but I don't think scaling up a ratio increases the probability of town to win. Correct me if I'm wrong. Statistically it is 36% for town to win with a swing based on the ability of players. Why would it be highly likely that it is 13:3:3 when originally town is already at 36% win rate.

[emogirl123]

I'm just wondering why you were suggesting that 16:3 is out of balance because after looking at the wiki, I disagree.

[emogirl123]

Speculation isn't important, but the stance people take on it and their motivations for doing so are.

[emogirl123]

I am happier than ever with my vote.

Why does it matter that he didn't vote you? It's irrelevant to what his role is. Seems awfully discrediting.

[emogirl123]

VOTE: Bulbazak.

Weren't you a little shocked when you realized that non of your scum partners were PRs?

Yeh totally shocked I was even more shocked when I unlynchable godfather in vanilla only game.

He tried to make a joke in response to my statement where scum had no PRs. At the time, I suspected that he was not aware that this game was mountainous prior to my comment because of his awkward response.

Who said it was a vanilla only game?

Mod did

*quotes mod from 1st post*

Second post was made 10 minutes later, I suspect that he had to search where the game said it was vanilla only? The fact that he didn't use the word mountainous hinted to me that he didn't know what he was signing up for.

Didn't sign up for a mountingness game signed up for any random game only and got nabbed for this game when you said all your partners are vanilla.

Later he even admits that he wasn't aware that the game is mountainous until I commented on it.

This suggests to me that he is town.

Bulbazak, explain your bullshit please.

[emogirl123]

It's rather clear what he was suggesting. Garmr was a toxic wagon, he wanted to line up not one but two VT for lynch.

[emogirl123]

Garmr's posts have been awfully flaily and I was stopping further momentum from building when he was clearly a town read of mine. What response do you expect him to have? He has been discredited multiple times because of a misplaced vote. I am not interested in what Garmr has to say. He was designed to be a toxic wagon and Bulbazak sprung the trap.

[emogirl123]

I don't care what he says, it is noise. I care why you are making associations of two unflipped players.

[emogirl123]

I explained why already. He suggested a day vig as a trap which is awful. Then he showed that he didn't know this was a mountainous game. Then he admits that he didn't know this was a mountainous game. QT was open at the time, so seeing that all three of your scum mates are not PR, he goes and attempts to use a day vig as a trap? It was a horrible trap, but his other play doesn't show that he is capable of better. He now admits that he wasn't aware this game is mountainous.

[emogirl123]

Why are you not interested in what a Townread has to say...?

After suggesting that a day vig was a viable trap, I don't care much about what he says.

[emogirl123]

My vote on Bulbazak is independent of what Garmr is going to say.

[emogirl123]

I just didn't word it very nicely. Bulbazak attacked both me and Garmr in the same post. Why can't I respond to him and must rely solely on Garmr for my defence?

[emogirl123]

Because Bulbazak made an unflipped association tell of Garmr and I. My defence of Garmr is in response of what he accused Garmr and I of doing. This results in me outing my town read of Garmr. What is your problem?

[emogirl123]

You say you didn't mean to defend him (see above), that your post #133 is in your own defense, yet you only mention yourself in context of defending Garmr?

????? Did you read Bulbazak's posts?

[emogirl123]

1) Bulba's "accusation" doesn't look at all serious to me, it was the first time in his ISO (3 posts total) that he'd mentioned either one of you.

why isn't it serious? he placed a 3rd vote (4th if you count the RVS) on someone. he then made a very serious accusation about chainsaw afterwards. seems pretty serious to me

2) It was kindof obvious at that point that you had at least a null-leaning-Town read on Garmr.

ok?

3) You "outing" a Townread is inconsistent with you saying you weren't trying to defend him in post #133, because...

he associated me with Garmr so I defend myself by saying Garmr is clearly town and this isn't defending myself??

you seem mad.

[emogirl123]

I'll be back later, I feel that we both need to cool off for a bit.

[emogirl123]

Just wanted to make sure that my thoughts on a Garmr/Emo scum team were not unfounded.

So he thought Garmr/Emo scum team might be unfounded, but now he is sure Garmr/emo scum team is not unfounded. I defend Garmr by stating my town read on him and ask him to explain why Garmr/emo scum team is no longer unfounded. He responds stating that I was chainsawing Garmr. Now why do I need to wait for Garmr to respond when I want Bulbazak to explain his reads since his attack is on Garmr/Emogirl, not Garmr independently?

[emogirl123]

Day vig gambits are very common on the site, and as a result, they're fairly well known to be fake a large percentage of the time. That means that such a gambit is not hard to fake as scum. I wouldn't award any sort of towncred for that gambit, especially not when made in pregame, where there is no way a mod would actually accept the actions of a dayvig.

You misunderstand the point I was trying to make. I don't think Garmr was aware that this game was mountainous. This is likely to be because he is not scum. ISO him for proof.

[emogirl123]

Bulbazak, explain your bullshit please.

I think this is asking you to explain.

[emogirl123]

My vote was for

drama

.

[emogirl123]

Why can't I attack and question in the same post? Your accusations are off base.

I'm saying that Garmr is unaware that this game has no PRs. His conversation with me is convincing enough for me to believe it and think you are abusing his wagon.

[emogirl123]

VOTE: Bulbazak.

Weren't you a little shocked when you realized that non of your scum partners were PRs?

Yeh totally shocked I was even more shocked when I unlynchable godfather in vanilla only game.

He tried to make a joke in response to my statement where scum had no PRs. At the time, I suspected that he was not aware that this game was mountainous prior to my comment because of his awkward response.

Who said it was a vanilla only game?

Mod did

*quotes mod from 1st post*

Second post was made 10 minutes later, I suspect that he had to search where the game said it was vanilla only? The fact that he didn't use the word mountainous hinted to me that he didn't know what he was signing up for.

Didn't sign up for a mountingness game signed up for any random game only and got nabbed for this game when you said all your partners are vanilla.

Later he even admits that he wasn't aware that the game is mountainous until I commented on it.

This suggests to me that he is town.

Bulbazak, explain your bullshit please.

And I explain here that I was testing him to see whether or not he was aware that there are PRs in this game. This is because of his "day vig" attempt. When he openly acknowledges afterwards that he didn't realize there were no PRs in the game until I informed him of so, and he was hiding the fact at the time to avoid looking dumb, it convinces me that he is genuine and earns my town read. I don't see him admitting that he wasn't aware there were no PRs at the time of my initial post if he was scum.

[emogirl123]

After his 124, I was ready to attack the first person that dropped an actual case for Garmr. What you read as me chainsaw defending Garmr, was in fact a post to induce a case from Aegor since he didn't give any.

[emogirl123]

I'm still fine with voting Bulbazak. Garmr's wagon was the most easily abused and Bulbazak had the strongest push to abuse it.

[emogirl123]

to be continued . . .

[emogirl123]

So you suggest that every scum push must have no case? Makes this game rather easy. I didn't say scum wouldn't lie. I don't see scum lying about knowing there aren't PRs in the game, only to retract later and admit he didn't know. Seems genuine. I have to get some sleep now, I'm sure we can continue discussing how obviously scum you are for pushing Garmr's wagon tomorrow.

[emogirl123]

I keep mixing the word alignment with the word role. I use both interchangeably by accident. I know he told people to join a wagon on you when he was not on your wagon. What does this have to do with his alignment? Although I do agree that it is a null tell. I have more of a problem with Bulbazak, because he posted a case that was clearly bullshit.

[emogirl123]

I absolutely do not find it a null tell. It is incredibly scummy.

I agree that it is a null tell on you for being this.

[emogirl123]

maestro yours is clearly bigger than mine. vote bulbazak please, or else i'm forced to scum read you for shrinkage.

[emogirl123]

[emogirl123]

Incase it was too subtle, I clearly can't summon votes from the Netherworld of Townbloc, so I pale in comparison to you. Now that we established what you wanted to establish, care to vote bulbazak? Hint: He's scum.

p.edit: How am I ignoring everything. Seems to me like you are the one ignoring everything.

[emogirl123]

How am I ignoring everything. Seems to me like you are the one ignoring everything.

You made an emotional judgement that you dislike my personality and as a result of this, went on a tangent of how I should have waited for Garmr to post before addressing Bulbazak directly. I'm giving you the benefit of the doubt that you genuinely found me annoying and that was to knock me off of my high horse. Now reread the game without that bias and give your thoughts on Bulbazak.

[emogirl123]

Seems to me like it. You were biased when saying that Bulbazak was not serious about his posts when it was clear to me that he was serious. You tell me that since I ignored Garmr's point of view, apparently I am guilty of some kind of tunnel vision in some meta where you watched with your skin crawling.

I go on explaining to you that Bulbazak made an attack on both Garmr and I. So if I relied solely on Garmr's defence when he has shown to be flaily, this risks the momentum of getting both Garmr and I mislynched. I just didn't word it very nicely and this most likely caused you to tunnel me for being arrogant.

[emogirl123]

Bulba the fuck are you on about

I want you to explain. We established that Bulbazak was serious about his accusations. You said earlier that he wasn't serious. In this post was you trying to see if he was serious or not. Now that we established that he is serious, why are you not giving reads and placing the responsibility on my shoulders. I voted for him because his accusation of Garmr and I was serious.

[emogirl123]

Read your posts in response to Bulbazak. They are in sync with my thoughts. Truth of everything is, he presented a terrible case to push someone who I believe is town and had a wagon that was easily abused. I don't really know what else to say. You haven't given me much reason for voting me, and haven't been taking a stance on Bulbazak.

[emogirl123]

Okay, so you vote off his attacker. Brilliant.

[emogirl123]

I know Bulba from multiple games and outside of games so I thought I could read his personal attitude better than I obviously can

Shouldn't this ping your scumdar?

[emogirl123]

I'm not changing my play style to cater to your needs. If you feel that it is unacceptable for me to be posting this much, feel free to vote me every phase with zero discussion.

[emogirl123]

You just lost the wager.

[emogirl123]

and FTR I don't think it's realistic to say that either of you would be snowball-lynched off of an accusation before page 10

L-3. Seems pretty realistic to me. Take a moment to soak in what would have happened if I allowed Garmr to continue flailing when he was obviously town.

[emogirl123]

So you suggest that every scum push must have no case? Makes this game rather easy.

Do you really want me to go into great detail about what I meant by actual case when I clarified earlier? Is this too subtle for you?

[emogirl123]

Okay sorry guys. From this point on, I will put my sarcasm in italics for easy comprehension.

@emeraldemon, note that the word

drama

was in italics and not meant to be taken seriously. I can't really recall why I said it, but it was probably to piss some people off.

[emogirl123]

I haven't really looked into Maenara's meta so take this with a grain of salt.

Your posts aren't doing anything for town. You're voting for the person attacking you, for crying out loud. Not pushing anyone, not looking around, just spamming the game and then wondering why people are voting for you.

This post is pretty bad because it discredits what was actually happening. Instinct tells me that scum would be aware of such issues prior to posting something like this since it was obvious that my wagon was slowing down and it is comments like this that makes the mob lynch happy.

Someone with a meta read on Maenara should probably comment on this, but if her wagon ever builds, I suspect it will be a misdirection.

[emogirl123]

Just to add to the above, I doubt it is to play her own meta to her advantage. She linked some games where she did something similar calling a player a VI, then proceed to suggesting a policy lynch. It is the similar situation here. I don't see why scum Maenara would attempt to play her town meta as scum in such a way where the targeted player would never get lynched and she would receive scrutiny from anyone that knows that a policy lynch means.

[emogirl123]

That post couldn't have come from a scum mindset. Town makes bad emotional posts when they are annoyed with another player. Scum hesitates and consider if what they are posting will be subject to scrutiny. This is a weak read but I don't want our attention to diverge from Bulbazak.

[emogirl123]

The irony is, Maenara can be our default policy lynch. I don't see the reason for multiple people to point out her posts are bad.

[emogirl123]

...please go back to the Road to Rome if you think this is true even most of the time...because it's really not...

I was being generous because I judged her personality in about 10 seconds and labeled it as a town read. It was a counterexample to show that the post could have came from a town mindset. I just like to be over the top and called it a town read. Sorry if this thought is subpar in a Large Normal.

[emogirl123]

Can you explain your stance on Garmr?

[emogirl123]

Maenara has taken the ultimate easy stance with emo, policy lynch! Get out of here with this crap. We're not lynching scum based on who is the most annoying.

Maenara's vote doesn't seem odd. ABR's does. Slandaar noticed.

[emogirl123]

if her wagon ever builds, I suspect it will be a misdirection.

Hey Sotty, I have no problem with lynching Maenara when the time comes, but cut the shit please. You are misdirecting attention away from Garmr and Bulbazak over a null read, and this isn't making me happy.

[emogirl123]

The wagon on me is garbage. I doubt scum would be crazy enough to attempt to have me lynched after many of the people on my wagon are now topic of discussion.

[emogirl123]

I suspect if Bulbazak and Garmr are both town, scum would place a vote on one of you.

If Bulbazak and Garmr have scum within, scum would make a counter push towards a easy target with a strong case.

[emogirl123]

Maenara is a disguised policy lynch at best. Stating otherwise and trying to generate discussion on that point is nonsense and should be stopped.

[emogirl123]

I know I seem overconfident. I suspect that it's the overconfident tone that generates wagons at will. What is your point?

Maybe my idea of policy lynch differs from others, but lynching someone over a null read because the player is bad is considered a policy lynch in my eyes.

[emogirl123]

She's right about her read on you being town. I'll note that her point about Maenara taking the ultimate easy stance voting emogirl can be applied to herself. Pushing a lynch on Maenara at this stage seems to me like it is also the ultimate easy stance. Saying so misreps the two major wagons that will form in the next few pagse on Garmr and Bulbazak (prediction), and since she town read you already, it just seems like she doesn't want to comment on Bulbazak. Complete null read.

[emogirl123]

I haven't really looked into Maenara's meta so take this with a grain of salt

So if you have meta on Maenara suggesting otherwise, then make your case and she should be lynched for her vote placing me at L-3.

[emogirl123]

I want to fix a typo. I meant a bad post, not the player is bad.

[emogirl123]

Because two players so far (Sotty, OGML) want to lynch Maenara for a bad post that could have easily came from a town mindset. Making a bad post as town seems normal to me. This makes it a policy lynch when there are other more important things happening. Also it is a complete null read unless you can prove otherwise.

[emogirl123]

Anti-town.

[emogirl123]

It does, because they are saying her pushing a policy lynch on me is bad and this makes her scum. I'm saying what she did was anti-town but it doesn't mean she is automatically scum. It is essentially lynching a player for making a bad post but it is clearly a null read. This makes me think it is a policy lynch. Unless they were explaining why it is a scum read and not a null read, which they weren't.

[emogirl123]

Prediction: Sotty and emogirl are scumpals.

my prediction was that Sotty and Bulbazak are scumpals. More reasons to lynch him.

[emogirl123]

I agree that I have been town telling awfully hard and in turn this makes me suspicious. However I think this is a null read to go on, and when I flip town, you have gained zero information. Congrats.

[emogirl123]

I've been trying to town tell very hard while maintaining a wagon on myself. Tebow noticed.

I also want to say that there are still people on my wagon that didn't explicitly state a reason for voting me. Arguing that a lynch on me for information is garbage when your vote was for the purpose of getting me lynched very quickly.

[emogirl123]

You didn't even understand what I just said, so can you explain why I am suspicious? I have been posting for the purposes of town telling, so I don't know where your read came from.

[emogirl123]

I am catching scum. Bulbazak is pretty caught.

[emogirl123]

Emogirl seems to have clear, if possibly misguided, town motivation flowing through all her actions.

Just because I am aware that my play style results in this thought, doesn't mean it is a scum tell. I am catching scum using this play style. I only mentioned this because I assumed that it was the point Chevre was making and I was seriously in danger of being lynched at L-2 due to her vote.

[emogirl123]

Also, Maenara is very solidly town.

But NS doesn't? I followed the meta links Maenara linked and noticed the similar pattern here. ABR are you insulting my intelligence?

[emogirl123]

Lynching emogirl is not a lazy lynch, it is one that will on one part define relationships to a person with confirmed alignment for many people

It is ok to lynch me for being scummy, but it is not ok to lynch me to define relationships. What is this horse shit? There has been no actual case against me and your vote seems awfully opportunistic to push a lynch over lying about defining relationships when in reality it is to gain support for a lynch due to annoyance.

[emogirl123]

I can't defend myself against this nonsense. I have nothing more to say.

[emogirl123]

This is a wagon built on misrepresentation and carried forward by lazy wagon-hopping.

The worst part of it all is not lynching me. It is the lazy town players on my wagon that would get completely wrecked one by one afterwards. Lynching me for information is a joke.

[emogirl123]

When Bulbazak flips scum, look towards Sotty and Maestro for answers. NS seems okay, Chevre and ABR doesn't. Chevre is worse than Maenara in magnitudes. Too bad you guys don't give two shits about my reads. Before I get lynched, make sure Brian Skies at least attempts a reason. Maestro had his chance to influence my wagon and he didn't. It's too late, even if he removes his vote after this point, I still associated him with Bulbazak regardless if he leads.

[emogirl123]

If momentum doesn't shift, and I really doubt it would, lynch within Bulbazak/Garmr for info tomorrow. Trying to figure out who is the most scummy leading my lynch is as null as things get. This is because I did my best to not appeal to anyone this game. My opinion is that Bulbazak is scum and Garmr is town. People defending my wagon are not clear, don't let them coast.

Please for fuck sakes, lynch Bulbazak.

He is so scum it's silly

.

[emogirl123]

Also, you're welcome for moving the game out of RVS. That is a speciality of mine.

[emogirl123]

The longer you play, the more you realize that half the player base does exactly that. God it's easy being scum. I would be more annoyed than I am now if I were. I was genuinely helping out town this game, which I do as scum. To be lynched for that would be pretty silly.

[emogirl123]

If Maestro is town, he has no right to that ego. Take this as a scum read of him out of respect.

[emogirl123]

You were already on me.

[emogirl123]

I'm not lynched yet.

[emogirl123]

Just a spoiler: I've been playing mafia for 7 years. Should take my reads more seriously after I get lynched.

[emogirl123]

Yes it is. I play different sites though. Heard of 2p2? It's a poker site.

[emogirl123]

Bulbazak's latest post is so bad he completely ignored all of Tebow's points. If he has any hint of being a decent player, it earns him a lynch.

[emogirl123]

Ageor, can I convince you to vote Bulbazak? Your vote on kaboom isn't going to accomplish anything.

[emogirl123]

You actually didn't address any of the issues Tebow presented.

[emogirl123]

I refuse to talk about my association read of Sotty and Bulbazak until I am no longer in danger of being hammered. I don't need Sotty hammering me on the basis that my reads are toxic for the town.

[emogirl123]

You actually didn't address any of the issues Tebow presented.

You don't even justify your viewpoint. You just assert them as fact.

[emogirl123]

you didn't unvote when bulba is clearly scum. shame really.

[emogirl123]

I thought you did too, and the fact that you didn't when I thought you showed signs of thinking the same suggests that you did not want to bus Bulba.

[emogirl123]

kaboom is a garbage lynch. If we were lynching scummy votes on my wagon, start with Chevre and ABR.

[emogirl123]

VOTE: emogirl123

[emogirl123]

Chevre is the scummiest new vote on the emogirl wagon by a mile

Thank you. I was starting to think I was going insane.

[emogirl123]

UNVOTE: That was probably the most annoyed I have gotten this whole game.

[emogirl123]

No, it is the shit people are getting away with saying.

[emogirl123]

Calm down, it wasn't a self hammer.

[emogirl123]

OGML's post calmed me down.

[emogirl123]

VOTE: chevre for said momentum.

[emogirl123]

You mean that he thinks you're town? I've addressed it. I think he's wrong. Anything further than that and we're getting into playstyle issues.

I'll respond to this later. I feel like it is going to be a wall post, and that wasn't worth my time writing if I was being lynched anyways.

[emogirl123]

It's because Tebow would probably have said it anyways. I haven't been responding to Bulba because his posts were horrible this entire time and each time I wait for his response and read it, it is replaced with more horrible posts.

[emogirl123]

=/=

!= not =/=. =/= is visually unappealing.

[emogirl123]

I'll be back tomorrow with whatever posts I promised. Bye.

[emogirl123]

Sorry I brought it up, it's pretty irrelevant now.

I asked it so many times because emo wouldn't answer. But I have you as null-scum.

Garmr, you've been missing a few posts.

So what do you think of sooty emo?

She's right about her read on you being town. I'll note that her point about Maenara taking the ultimate easy stance voting emogirl can be applied to herself. Pushing a lynch on Maenara at this stage seems to me like it is also the ultimate easy stance. Saying so misreps the two major wagons that will form in the next few pagse on Garmr and Bulbazak (prediction), and since she town read you already, it just seems like she doesn't want to comment on Bulbazak. Complete null read.

[emogirl123]

I just realized that my ISO is a nightmare to read because most of my posts are in context with posts I am responding to but not quoting. This makes my posts look like junk when viewing the ISO rather than the game as a whole. I'll try to fix this.

[emogirl123]

I have trouble believing you thought it was scummy in the first place

This is the point I wanted to make earlier. I assumed that the scum read on me was that I was town telling which I would have believed. Since that wasn't the case, I don't see why he felt it was necessary to place me at L-2 using whatever read he had and arguing that my lynch was for information.

I know I have a high post count, but most of my posts have been 1-2 sentences. I can condense it to walls, but I don't see the point.

[emogirl123]

It's that she has yet again, when someone has tried to start a counterwagon to that of her own, she has gone against it. First with Maenara and now kabooooom. I don't see scum doing that.

Something like this. I know that if I don't support kaboom's lynch, it will result in people thinking scum wouldn't do something like that. This is just one example. I know when some of my actions makes other people think I am town.

[emogirl123]

The town telling I was referring to at the time of Chevre's vote was a general feeling I would have of my play if I were analyzing it from someone else's perspective. I would avoid a wagon on myself if I didn't think I had the capability to manage it, so the "town telling" is a form of managing my own wagon. You can see that Tebow, OGML, and Sotty all town read me. This is because I wanted to be town read, otherwise I would be lynched. I can't see where Chevre's scum read came from if he was understanding the motives behind my posts.

[emogirl123]

And now I see inklings of that with Maenara; she's trying to policy lynch you, but you are weirdly defending her and it makes no sense.

This point doesn't really make sense to me.

I was defending Maenara because I felt that lynching her was a lazy vote and I wanted attention to be directed at Bulbazak/Garmr. I don't see why he would scum read me for this first, only to flip-flop now saying that it is very town of me to ignore kabooooom. I was at L-3 at the time, and now I am at L-1. I just don't see where the scum read came from. This makes me suspect that he was trying to have me wagoned off disguising it as a lynch for information when most of the people at the time on my wagon gave no case.

[emogirl123]

If my method of finding scum is to maintain a wagon on myself, my secondary objective is to have reasons for why I shouldn't be lynched.

[emogirl123]

You and ABR are the most scummy votes on my wagon. I want a flip on Bulbazak for information, if scum would lead to the questioning of Maestro and Sotty. Maenara is probably town. Kaboom/NS are null. I scum read Bulbazak more than Garmr, but maybe others disagree.

[emogirl123]

ok soon

[emogirl123]

Tebow stop responding to Bulba. Give me some time to post.

[emogirl123]

just woke up, catching up

[emogirl123]

just woke up,

catching up

hmmm. just woke up. again. kabooooom, why aren't you placing chevre at L-1? I kinda wish you did. The bolded part of this quote was a lie.

[emogirl123]

Before I am lynched, what do players want from me other than an attempt at reads? I'll work on that later tonight.

I'm actually waiting on this.

[emogirl123]

while you wait, you owe me this

To be honest, I want to lynch Bulbazak more than Chevre. Now do you understand why I haven't been posting yet and am currently waiting on Chevre?

[emogirl123]

emogirl123.scumLean(); // #131, still voting Garmr while calling Aegor's attack on Garmr discrediting

Just something quick to add, my #131 attack on Aegor happened after #124 which gave me a weak town read on Garmr. I was on the said "toxic wagon" because I started the wagon. I started the wagon because I didn't like Garmr's posts and saw scum motivation behind them. By #124, I see town motivation and changed my play to find player taking advantage of the wagon.

[emogirl123]

I keep mixing the word alignment with the word role. I use both interchangeably by accident. I know he told people to join a wagon on you when he was not on your wagon. What does this have to do with his alignment?

Although I do agree that it is a null tell

. I have more of a problem with Bulbazak, because he posted a case that was clearly bullshit.

Aegor argued that it is scummy read of Garmr for messing up who he was voting for. I said this is a null tell on Aegor for thinking that and said Bulbazak is much worse. I might have worded this ambiguously in my quote. Since this is a null tell of Aegor for thinking that mixing up votes is a scum tell, I am perfectly fine with voting Bulbazak.

[emogirl123]

I'm lazy and going out for the whole day, so probably not.

[emogirl123]

What? What are you guys talking about? No one gave a case for Maenara other than saying her posts are bad. Maestro quoted that post and said it was bad. Sotty and OGML both supported a lynch of her. I'm saying their reasons for doing so is a policy lynch at best since I gave an example of how the post in question could have came from a town mindset. No one explained why Maenara was scummy. I had the most votes at that time, and Maestro said my reasons for defending her were bad. If I were to lynch Maenara, it would be a policy lynch due to her post in question, since I didn't scum read that slot at all.

ABR what did you mean by overconfident? I misinterpreted, well at least I think I misinterpreted it at the time. I thought you were referring to my post count, which you didn't mention now. You say that my stance towards Maenara was overconfident, but NS shared a similar viewpoint but lacked a reason. How was I being more overconfident than NR when I gave a reason for townreading the slot when NR didn't?

[emogirl123]

Why do you think that I said that I would suspect NS if you were town?

You are saying that I knew Maenara was town and acted overconfident because of it. This should also apply to NS. Just because I stated the reason why and NS didn't shouldn't make your vote on me justified.

Why are you focusing on whether or not Maenara is a policy lynch or not? She has provided meta where she called someone VI and wanted a policy lynch. She also made it clear that she does not want to join in on the discussion because my posts were all self centred (misrep) and a waste of her time. It's a policy lynch in my eyes, and I'm not even advocating a policy lynch. What is the problem? My viewpoint on whether or not someone is a policy lynch? I'm not even pushing for the policy lynch.

[emogirl123]

No idea. I'm on my phone. Maenara is a policy lynch! I don't see why you are calling me overconfident when NS did the same thing as I did. The differences I am aware of is that I gave a reason for why Maenara could be town and you had your vote on me which you needed to justify to remain there.

[emogirl123]

UNVOTE: I want to read current developments before committing.

[emogirl123]

Regarding yessiree's text format, if you copy paste it into a text editor, you get nice colours. I assume he did it like that because he was at work, and it looked like work lmao.

[emogirl123]

Could someone please explain (even like 1-2 sentences with links to posts) why Bulba is scum?

I'll do this in a bit. Going out again. tl;dr, he chose a easy wagon to hop on (garmr) lines up garmr + emogirl for primary suspects using what was clearly bullshit. gets called out on it by emogirl. continues to spout out nonsense (bulba v tebow) ever since with no contribution to anything else. I'll try to post something tonight. I promise.

[emogirl123]

sup guys I have a few things I want to do. let me get a vote out first VOTE: maestro

[emogirl123]

last prod dodge ever. kind of.

[emogirl123]

Maestro would be a great lynch

lol really? I remember voting him earlier and was going to post about it soon. It's the weekend, I'll have no excuse to not post anymore!

[emogirl123]

I just read the last post of the thread and saw that you said something about maestro. I remember faintly that two days ago I was going to post about Maestro. Synergy!

(I once had to write a report on Synergy and team building because my group failed to build a 2 metre long snowman for a project.)

[emogirl123]

Hey, I was busy losing that other game I was in.

[emogirl123]

I didn't read the whole Brian/Slandaar debate, but I do remember Brain's posts being bad whenever I read them. Consider this a huge discredit and that Slandaar is null and if both wagons go through, I would be voting Brain.

[emogirl123]

Meta, if I were scum here, I would have posted a lot more or at least thrown some nice town looking content out,

I find it interesting you think I would not consider my meta in relation to others.

This is true. ABR should not be using meta to push Slandaar's wagon. That was pretty bad of him.

[emogirl123]

Don't mind me I am just lurking.

Continuation thought of the previous post. Slandaar said he would have thrown some nice town looking content out there, but he explicitly stated that he was lurking (while not actually lurking because he was developing reads on maestro/kaboom etc and just didn't scum read chevre). ABR's post about meta was so off, first of all, ABR's vote is not justified. It was not a realistic evaluation of what Slandaar has been doing. I want to look at the other people on the wagon, but it's like 7am here and I want to eat Cheetos. I'm sure Slandaar's wagon is pretty bad. I think this post would look pretty crazy but I'm going to post it and if no one understands I'll fix it up. Especially the part about Slandaar saying he was lurking when in fact he wasn't and he knew he wasn't and whoever said he was lurking is wrong.

[emogirl123]

Slandaar is the coward type who will crumble under pressure as scum

lol what? this isn't even a point!

And if he flips scum, you're next in my book.

VOTE: ABR, oh no! Must not let Slandaar flip scum and end this game so easily for town. Must put up a fight.

[emogirl123]

VOTE: Brian. thank god for vote counts.

[emogirl123]

I HATE QUOTES IN QUOTES OF QUOTES OF QUOTES IN QUOTES AND THEN JUST ONE SENTENCE OF WORDS

who did smartypants sub?

[emogirl123]

okay good, now no one else can use that. it wasn't updated in the first post.

[emogirl123]

Albert will now sheepishly vanish for a while and hope he can get away with making up nonsense.

Hey! Deja'vu.

[emogirl123]

I prefer a Slandaar vote at deadline if this doesn't happen.

I don't particularly like any of the wagons, but I'm totally biased towards my feelings for them since I had nothing to do with either wagon. When this happens, I default to lynching the weaker of the two. Why do you think it's Slandaar over Brian?

[emogirl123]

Although I do need to get back into this game. Lack of motivation recently. I wish I got something in while Maestro was still playing. Too much regrets.

[emogirl123]

WHY CANT YOU PEOPLE CROP LOL

fucking OCD

[emogirl123]

you guys suck lrn2play VOTE: ABR.

[emogirl123]

A bunch of reasons. I remember he made a bad vote on my wagon making me want to lynch either Chevre/ABR, he made a pretty bad push on Slandaar while pushing emeraldemon and then ended up going on another bad wagon. The right side of my face has swollen to the size of a golf ball and I have a hint if fever.

Post from dream land.

[emogirl123]

Replace bad with scummy. His push for Slandaar is scum. His questioning back when he said something about me "knowing" that Maenara is town is also forced scum hunting from scum.

[emogirl123]

emo what do you think of Zekrom now?

Don't know. I find players like Zekrom to be terribly hard to read. Maestro is always scum.

[emogirl123]

I'm some pages behind being fully read up but just skimming is enough to see that Yessiree dies tomorrow if Slandaar flips scum, and Slandaar is going to flip scum.

bump

[emogirl123]

then through the Slandaar/emeraldemon/Brian debate her posts were kind of fluffy

Not really, I was opposed to the reasons for why Slandaar was being voted and wanted ABR dead at that instant in time. I still want ABR dead and a lot of other players dead too. Including you.

[emogirl123]

@Mod: Sorry, can you replace me?

Noted. Looking for a replacement.

[emogirl123]

am i conf town yet? zdenek/maenara is clearly town. that sucks how he died

[emogirl123]

semi followed this game, zdenek had a bit of a thing with pony(maestro), which was my scum read, but it's pretty insigificant. bulba, you keep falling back on how I am scum and you have multiple people tell you that I am town. let's solve this first, why am I scum?

[emogirl123]

kabooooom (3) - Albert B. Rampage, Rainbowdash, Chevre
Aegor (1) - Bulbazak

It amuses me quite a bit that everyone I've called scum ended up not voting ABR.

[emogirl123]

Explain to me why you could care less who dies when it was a choice between ABR and yourself, yet after ABR flips scum you suddenly care and lead with aegor. Newly found motivation?

[emogirl123]

Well, let's look at your recent posts...

This one is defense of yourself.
Before that was a defense of yourself and mild poke on Aegor about the countdown (a town tell on Aegor from my perspective, frankly) Also a promise to read and post...that was posted over 24 hours ago...hows that read going?
Before that was defense of yourself
Before that was agreeing you were a good policy lynch.
Before that was a self vote.
Before that was a prod dodge.
Before that was a v/la announcement
Before that was a promise of reading...that was posted over four weeks ago...hows that read going?
Before that was a prod dodge.
Before that was a prod dodge
Before that was complaining about ending the day prior to getting info from people (not that you're doing anything with said info)
Before that was asking for an L-1 wagon to halt.
Before that you voted EmoGirl with no case presented.
Before that was asking for abbreviation definitions.
Before that the game hadn't started.

This is a very good representation of what you have been doing this game. So if you were reading after post 15xx something, I really don't see the effort afterwards. Of the limited content you have provided us, there is nothing you have done that can rule out for us the possibility of you being scum together with ABR.

Explain your aegor vote please.

[emogirl123]

whatever, only two scum left anyways. ABR was awfully transparent.

VOTE: Bulbazak should have died day 1.

[emogirl123]

Aegor, thoughts on Chevre?

[emogirl123]

Spoiler: VOTE: Chevre is scum.

Refer to Day 1 around page 12 where ABR starts asking a bunch of fluffy fluff at which point both NS and Chevre also voted for me. This should get Chevre lynched before Bulba.

[emogirl123]

Last scum is Bulba/Rainbow. Also could be a wildcard like kabooooom, but who cares. We out number scum significantly and can win using process of elimination anyways.

[emogirl123]

bulba, you keep falling back on how I am scum and you have multiple people tell you that I am town. let's solve this first, why am I scum?

Day 1 reasons + multiple slot replacements + Appeal to Majority + commenting on the NK

ABR was a policy lynch

Dude, no!

t's disturbing to me that you are looking only at people who opposed the wagon when ABR flaked, and not associations between people when ABR was active.

Okay, let's put aside your shit for every phase so far this game where you default to "my scum read, the emogirl slot, is still alive so this means I can just coast with

emogirl is scum

every phase with zero effort just for everyone to dismiss your claims yet you still default to that point. Let's put aside that. In this post alone you try to justify my lynch without even referencing my interactions with ABR. Then you say that it is disturbing no one is looking at the associations between people when ABR was alive when I was the main aggressor along with yessiree on ABR for Day 1.

[emogirl123]

Bulbazak's latest post is so bad he completely ignored all of Tebow's points. If he has any hint of being a decent player, it earns him a lynch.

I still stand by this. The level of ignorance Bulba displayed this entire game can only justified by him being scum. Nothing else makes sense. Who has a meta read on this guy? I never played a game with him before.

[emogirl123]

Whhhhhhhaaaa. Why is Bulba scum?

The kill is null. If anybody tries to lynch someone off of the fact that Fonz was reading them as scum before he was killed, from this point on I will do everything in my power to lynch you. Same if you try to town-read someone.

And dammit Garmr, I'm just about to start going after Bulbazak in the morning... For now-

VOTE: BULBA

??

[emogirl123]

I think my best read is Vote: emogirl123. I'm still very uncomfortable with the dissipation of her wagon, and again, the points in 1023: her late-Day 1 fluff. Some concrete examples are 813, 821 (I still want to hear the Maestro reasonings even if he's not here), and 838. Additionally the aggressiveness and general rudeness of 955 doesn't feel town.

Let's put Chevre in the spotlight. Nice misrep. Did you forget the part where I called out ABR's bullshit when pushing for Slandaar? Did you forget the part where I called out ABR's bullshit where he said something about me "knowing" Maenara is town while NS did the same thing? Seems like a scum strategy to scum read emogirl the whole game.

[emogirl123]

In addition to Bulbazak's reaction, my biggest hesitance with ABR is that yessiree NK is like a giant glowing neon sign saying "ABR IS SCUM YOU SHOULD LYNCH HIM!!!!"

What you see above is reference to this quote from yessiree calling out ABR which has gone unnoticed for most of the game. So you are saying that it is so blatantly obvious that ABR is scum as a result of the night kill, so you give very high merit to that post. Enough merit such that it is obvious to the point of stupidity where scum would not attempt it and some wifom horseshit. This quote was from a while back with respect to your post, so obviously you felt like that is an important piece of info regarding the night kill and ABR. How do you reach the conclusion of emogirl is scum from the night kill analysis of yessiree making such a good point about ABR that he was killed for it. There is no logical progression in your reads. The end result of your posts and reads have always been to have emogirl lynched. There was no attempt to view the game differently no matter the circumstance. We have here scum.

[emogirl123]

Essentially what I'm thinking now is that my points still stand on emogirl/Tony PF/Nero Cain. I'm still hesitant on ABR and I don't really see the case on Bulbazak.

What points? Even by that time you have multiple people telling you that emogirl is their town read.

Tony PF's 1363 is super bad. Garmr logically attacked his reasoning and he didn't even deny his mistake, he just straight-up fifth-amendment'd. Add to that 1368.

You mean this? Where he said it was anti-town to self vote? You even said afterwards (I'm too lazy to find the quote) where you disapprove of self voting!

At first I was thinking this post was getting way ahead of itself, but come to think of it, emogirl's first post was that chide-y one where she basically insulted all players and voted ABR without reason.

Was that really what I did? I recall wanting to lynch ABR the moment he brought an unjustified meta read of Slandaar into the game. Everything else was irrelevant.

Whatever that's cool. Where are these reasons Chevre, that you would tunnel my slot endlessly for the whole game?

[emogirl123]

Still think we should lynch Rainbow though.

Finally, if anyone is voting ABR over kabooooom simply because it is lurker slot, note this: ABR has asked for replacement (though with the increasing length of the game replace-ins aren't occurring as frequently). Meanwhile, kabooooom has not despite strings of V/LA with no contribution and even acknowledging his own inability to keep up. I understand that you may have true suspicion on ABR behind your vote, but if it's simply a vote to thin the lurker population in this game, there are better options than someone who is in the queue of replacement.

Here is Chevre subtlely defending ABR whereas Rainbow made a loud approach to defend ABR. Rainbow is also on the shitlist, but get rid of Chevre first.

[emogirl123]

I'm exhausted tonight. No one even cares that Chevre told lies to have my slot lynched? Hey, remember when some other scum told complete lies to lynch other players? Chevre needs a wagon.

[emogirl123]

It's true that she was the first vote on ABR, but that is a safe place on a scum buddy's wagon to distance.

Nice misrep. All I did was throw a simple bus on ABR right? Since you have been tunneling my slot this whole game, you should know best that this was not what happened. I'm going to bed.

[emogirl123]

Once again, I wish I had more lynches in a day.

Can definitely relate to this. Town cred++++

[emogirl123]

random thought: appealing for abr's replacement to join before lynching the slot instead of addressing why everyone is voting abr is the most incriminating of everything that had to do with abr/kaboooom. i'm so good at this game i post in my dreams

[emogirl123]

I've seen no serious rebuttals, other than "Emo is town" (or "townread by everyone". I still don't see how that is an acceptable defense.) or "Nuh-uh".

yawn

. Notice that Bulba keeps asking questions along the lines of "how is emo/garmr town". Click that link and read Bulba/Rainbow exchange. He asks a question, Rainbow answers vaguely and Bulba doesn't ask for clarification but changes the subject. Now he is crying about how no one is giving him a serious response.

Bulba, I know your tactic. Have everyone babysit you for the whole game thinking "aww, it's only bulba acting up again, don't worry about it!". Pro strat for scum.

[emogirl123]

And I don't see how asking people to explain their reads is such a bad thing.

Except that wasn't what you were doing, it's what you want your image to be, there is a difference. If you truly cared about an answer instead of acting like you care, you would have made an attempt to discuss my slot. Instead you just ask empty questions acting like you care while parking your vote on my slot the entire game.

[emogirl123]

bulba, you keep falling back on how I am scum and you have multiple people tell you that I am town. let's solve this first, why am I scum?

Day 1 reasons + multiple slot replacements + Appeal to Majority + commenting on the NK

Okay. This is your case after 3 phases of emogirl is scum?

[emogirl123]

I thought I saw evidence of an associative tell between her and Garmr in pregame. I pushed Garmr on this, and Emo essentially freaks out and votes me. Later she said that she was trying to understand my reasoning, but there was no hint of that whatsoever in her first mention of me, where she happened to vote me for voting Garmr. She then said that she was defending herself, but at no point did she ever argue in defense of herself, only Garmr. She then later said that she had been waiting to vote any reasonable case on Garmr, which again pointed to the fact that she was preparing to either chainsaw defend Garmr or WK him. She also contradicted herself several times, and was overly concerned about how she looked, or how she "towntold". After the wagon on her dissipated, she stopped posting as often, and she failed to deliver cases she promised, since no one was pushing her.

Emo attacked me when I voted Garmr and stated that I saw a possible connection between her and Garmr. She then said she wanted to open up a line of discussion with me, but this is false, because she had been voting me and flat out attacking me instead of asking me questions. She then said that she was trying to defend herself, but this is false, because she was only defending Garmr the entire time. She then admits that she had been prepared to vote anyone who brought up "an actual case" on Garmr. She also talked several times about how she was trying to "town tell". Finally, when the wagon on her dissipated, so did her activity. During this time, she kept on promising a case on me, but would then fall silent and fail to deliver when not questioned on it.

A lot of it is connected with my read of the Garmr-slot. I felt their interactions in pregame felt extremely fake. Later, when I voted Garmr, Emo flipped out, voted me, and defended him like crazy. Later, she lied and said that she wasn't defending him, when she really was. I continued to push her, and her wagon grew, but it eventually disintegrated when people started attacking Chevre. Emo's posts have continued to resonate as scummy with me, as well as those of her successors. It's true that she was the first vote on ABR, but that is a safe place on a scum buddy's wagon to distance. When Tony replaced in, he played around with the wagon for awhile before finding other avenues to push. When Nero replaced in, he also avoided the ABR wagon. Nero also was playing extremely subpar and not in the way that I'd expect him to play as town. Emo's recent play is more of the same, including using Appeal to Majority to dismiss any scumreads of her. Personally, I can't see why so many people are townreading her.

Day 1 reasons refer to these right? Tebow addressed these issues during the whole emogirl wagon Day 1. Maestro refusing to unvote and the momentum from ABR and Chevre were fueling the wagon. Your case which Tebow was arguing that you were scum for pushing is the reason why you hung yourself on my slot this entire game? Your defence to this is saying that Tebow approaches the game differently than you?

@everyone, read the interactions between emogirl, tebow and bulbazak from day 1

[emogirl123]

Because she felt Garmr was a poor player who scum wouldn't be able to resist attacking, therefore the first person who tried to actually build a wagon on him was likely to be scum.

[emogirl123]

Bulba, I recall that you commented on my scum theatre act with Garmr. How about you comment now on my scum theatre act with ABR. The latter is way harder to pull off fyi.