Graveyard Shift Mafia - ROLL CREDITS

[Infinite Jesters]

mastin, how does it feel to keep drawing scum?

Mastin abandoned me. I guess she's over it.

hhhmm...

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brian we just had a usurper in ag even if you think it is a possibility it would be a possibility between a lyncher or usurper by following with what you are saying. so out of those 2 scenarios why are you not willing to lynch serene? and why would you make a deal with them?

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brian we just had a usurper in ag even if you think it is a possibility it would be a possibility between a lyncher or usurper by following with what you are saying. so out of those 2 scenarios why are you not willing to lynch serene? and why would you make a deal with them?

I don't like brian's ready offer to lynch bird people to help serene out when if serene is a lyncher that would confirm bird people as town. <--- why would you want to help a lyncher.

I believe that if Serene is either a lyncher/usurper, that he's probably a lyncher. It has to do with the way they just tunnel on their target and say that if we get them lynched, we'll get both of them out of our hair. I don't actually know how usurpers work, but I'd assume they'd still have to play the game out as if they were scum.

I'm also working under the assumption that a lyncher is a role that jointly wins with the winning faction. So as long as they're a lyncher (3rd party), I don't mind working with Serene as long as:
1) It doesn't impede my wincon.
2) They find me scum, which actually helps me with my wincon. This hydra also seems willing to work with me.
3) I don't have to read 10+ pages of biased BnB tunnel every time I open this thread.
4) They turn their focus towards a town-motivated one.

It's a win-win situation for me. And I think there's a way for everyone to be happy (well, except for the scumteam and BnB).

There are three capable town players in that hydra. Not one, not two, THREE! And I'd rather have them help us towards a town wincon as long as I believe there's a way everyone can profit.

Also, I will not be entertaining a lynch on BnB without a valid scumread on them as long as the threat of losing is still a major concern to me.

I mean. Seriously. Kuribo even drew me a pretty map. Look at how much work he put into that thing. It's so adorable!

@Kuribo: I still think Mollie is very likely to be town. If BnB is scum, she's probably just misreading them.

in neither of those scenarios is serene town and a lyncher is most likely to target town but a usurper is most likely to target scum cos of their wc what makes you think that serene would help you find scum after being recruited via fulfilling their wc of their team if the latter were true and why would you want to help a lyncher fullfill their wc on probable town.

what am I missing here

[Infinite Jesters]

a scum lynchee without a usurper is far less likely than some1 fakeclaiming

or am I wrong

VOTE: serene

[Infinite Jesters]

a scum lynchee without a usurper is far less likely than some1 fakeclaiming

or am I wrong

VOTE: serene

lollll mollie



i KNEW you were full of shit when you told me that you preferred working with third parties

I do when they work for town!

so far I am not seeing it

[Infinite Jesters]

lynching serene would kind of resolve the lynchee/usurper dichotomy or am I mistaken

need I remind every1 that it crossed my mind that serene and bird people might both be scum. I can't tell

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i mean let's be real for a second, mollie, your read on me early on was what? that i was too calm? fuck that



people bitching and complaining that i'm not yelling enough is one of the biggest reasons i retired, i got SICK AND FUCKING TIRED of people scum reading me if i'm not yelling endlessly


i was a god damn treestump in POTUS mafia. you know how much screaming i did? exactly zero.


you can't read me for shit, and i get tired of you pretending that you can. same goes for AP.

erm...I was not the 1 who said you were scum for not screaming loud enough :/

mebbe I can't meta you worth shit

mebbe I am just going by what you have done this game.

which is shit.

unless you now want to claim townie lol

[Infinite Jesters]

grrr...

serene is scumclaiming omg

[Infinite Jesters]

IT HAS CROSSED MY MIND THAT BIRD PEOPLE AND SERENE WERE XBUSSING

[Infinite Jesters]

CAN WE PLZ LYNCH SERENE NOW

[Infinite Jesters]

LETS JUST LYNCH SERENE

[Infinite Jesters]

Serene has decided that in spite of the fact that he's helping us kill what we're killing, we're willing to assist the town in lynching Venmar.

We sincerely hope that you all remember this olive branch of goodwill.

Unvote

Vote: Venmar

we have other thoughts too, but it's late

oh good grief

why doesn't anybody else want this thing dead

I am all for working with indies it is actually kind of my thing but I don't think that serene are indies I think they are scum.

correct me if I am wrong, but didn't serene go "yes yes we're a lyncher" after some1 suggested it? and I remember sven asking them if the claim were true but I don't remember their answer.

my macbook is at faghaus so I am using the desktop and I don't have my notes on here so I am having to work off of memory which admittedly is not always the best.

also I am coming off of 2 games in a row where scum *cough tbone* tried to claim a fake guilty on me so I am starting to think superfluous cop claims are scummy. and last I spoke with nacho he thought fakegod was playing to his scum meta.

mine and nacho's schedules conflict so a sync up will not be easy but I should be catching up with desp this weekend.

ika's hostility is reminding me of isaac. I don't like the defensiveness when sven put pressure on him it kind of seems like ika is hanging back, waiting to see where the town herd will move.

14.5 pings, so does bryfit. reck had better start doing something or might get weird on him. I think venny is town. it is kind of interesting that the entire shift moved but him. I think it would be weird for scumvenny to do that tho, it attracts way too much attention so I agree with the players that think he is lynchbait.

liking zden a helluva lot better. he is moving away from his indignation at what he felt like mastina misapplying his meta towards a stronger presence in lieu of scumhunting which is what I would expect townzden to do.

@ zden

- I have played a bunch of games with mastina and it isn't impossible for him to portray his shift in how he metas you as town. combine that with the feeling that he had the same reactions to your posts earlier that I did and a lot of other things I am leaning town on them still, altho I want to talk to my other heads cos I have some niggles.

not sure how I feel about agar. or goat boy.

anyways thats all for now I guess.

gonna reread a few things.

[Infinite Jesters]

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wtf does this even mean

[Infinite Jesters]

like seriously mollie, you're not even paying attention anymore?


the first mention of lynchers aside from 14.5 pussyfooting around the cop guilty:

so here's the deal, fuckers-

you guys are going to help us lynch B&B. in exchange, DGB, FakeGod, and I will help you hunt down the scum team. HOWEVER before the game is over YOU MUST HELP US LYNCH B&B. B&B gets lynched, we leave the game and we're out of your hair for good. everyone wins except scum.

if that slot gets NK'd, we'll powerfuck the scum team just out of spite and damn meanness, so don't even think about that

if town decides to lynch us tomorrow, fine, whatever, we've already fucked our game anyway and we've come to accept this

hammer belongs to the innocent child, if anyone else hammers then it's as good as a scum claim.

unvote
vote: Zoraster

Did you seriously just claim Lyncher for our slot?

PLEASE USE YOUR FUCKING EYES AND NOTE THAT IT CAME UP AFTER MY CLAIM


FOR FUCKS SAKE



i can never stay mad at you baby but why you make me do that

wasn't there a mention before that?

mebbe I am misremembering.

so are you a lyncher on bird people yes or no. I mean you say yes but it seems weird to say you are working with town, but want bird people dead, and bring up the usurper role.

and now you are voting for venny? unpack this for me plz

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also I am coming off of 2 games in a row where scum *cough tbone* tried to claim a fake guilty on me so I am starting to think superfluous cop claims are scummy. and last I spoke with nacho he thought fakegod was playing to his scum meta.

didn't nacho fake a guilty on town in binding of isaac?


okay then, his credibility here is zero

nacho didn't play that game?

srsly?

[Infinite Jesters]

serene I asked you to unpack that scumread on venny

could you oblige

[Infinite Jesters]

Mollie, I want you to imagine that we are both buzzed and Im looking at you with this ridiculous sideways smile and I ask you

"Mollie, are you scum with Serene? Be honest."

and this looks like you are going for a smear campaign

if you think I am scum with serene for...whatever reason you come up with hey I am trying hard not to go with that you are scum with them why don't you help lynch them cos clearly they are not town?

I don't think they are indie either so what do you think about THAT

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nah, you havent convinced me or DGB that he's town


and you've been treating me like a redheaded stepchild all game, so you don't get to call in favors

I asked you to unpack why you think he is scum

cos, lol "we will help town lynch venny!" doesn't work for me

surely you see why?

[Infinite Jesters]

nah mastin, you battling me would end with me faking a guilty on you and getting you lynched while you're VLA if i was scum

hhmmmm...

[Infinite Jesters]

jesus christ

[Infinite Jesters]

I think kuribo likes me

[Infinite Jesters]

I want you to have fun kuribo.

which is why I am teasing you as much as I am. we can totally talk about something else.

also you didn't kill us in deathnote we were lynched.

and I have not lied during this game, I mistakenly thought that isaac was ongoing is that really what you are trying to spin into a "lie"?

also why are the jehovah's witnesses so freaking NICE in my neighborhood.

anyways I am burnt too so what you will get is pretty lackluster but it is genuine.

I already gave my reads list.

I am going to dye my hair red again but I think the next time it will be blue.

[Infinite Jesters]

eta: it is almost like we are just going through the motions isn't it

[Infinite Jesters]

eta2: I have always wanted blue hair

[Infinite Jesters]

things about titus:

a) she does not do stupid gambits
b) she does no risk gambits that only have rewards
c) she fliped cop with guilty on zort
d) i know titus much better then you assholes here, theat includes you stal
e) if titus did have a santity issure in her role pm she would of stated it after she outed her gambit
f) titus would never fake guilty resultys for "reactions" or any other type of shit. If she gets guilty she gets guilty.
g) zort is fucking scum whos tried to save his ass with this "neghbor" claim, i dont buy the fact that he said "oh its a gambit we were doing"
h) if a neghbor even existed in the game i would expect it to be a cross neghbor at least
i) WHY THE FUCK WERE THE LOVERS NOT KILLED?

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=56&t=31652

This doesn't seem very relevant to me: I seriously don't hope you were trying to throw doubt on zorasters alignment.

[Infinite Jesters]

"I work with indies when they help the town"


No you fucking don't. I've been way more helpful to this town than you. I've been forthcoming nwithy claim, with my reads, with retracting FGs stupid ass guilty

You on the other hand, have been:

"B&B are town serene is scum
B&B are town serene is scum
B&B are town serene is scum
B&B are town serene is scum
B&B are town serene is scum
B&B are town serene is scum
WAIT DONT LYNCH VENMAR SERENE IS SCUM"

That is seriously a representation of your reads this game


So here's a simple question mollie:

After I flip Lyncher, what are your reads?

I think you are the only one paying attention to mollie. Dont.

pretty sure scum are paying attention to us.

to answer the question:

bird people would move even higher up in the town tier. I would ignore your reck is town bid.

I am just not getting that you are a lyncher

[Infinite Jesters]

Mastin are you around???

[Infinite Jesters]

That's how around I am! Why are you guys voting who you're voting and how interested are you in a free vote on your awesome wagon? I'm reading through wagon people now so I don't spend forever catching up, but I thought Venmar was town last time I read.

[Infinite Jesters]

I don't know what AP said so you can say what he said and I won't know the difference!

[Infinite Jesters]

Aww man I'm hoping for something more than "his posts seem like scum".

[Infinite Jesters]

K, I'm gonna read Venmar more.

[Infinite Jesters]

Venmar is not as town as he used to be, definitely not. I feel even when pursuing reads he's not getting any traction on (ala Metal Sonic in Xenosaga) he seems a lot more aggressive and passionate than this weak wristed shit here. Some of his views though (I won't interact with you because of your conftown status) aren't horrible and kind of remind me of town Venmar? But his switch from calling you town to tunneling you is pretty bad, so I could probably vote him & sheep BROski.

[Infinite Jesters]

Oh my god hiplop's ISO is atrocious.

[Infinite Jesters]

And interactions with Venmar don't seem like buddy-buddy, so yeah, probs gonna sheep. I'm gonna make a serious of posts, can people who actually read direct BRO to this and my following string? TIA!

BRO: I don't have time today, but I'm assuming we want to push through a lynch soon because of your shift.8 thing. I am willing to lynch Venmar because he could possibly be scum, but I don't feel very strongly about it. I DO feel strongly about a hiplop lynch, which AP is also on board and pretty synced about. I think you should see the stark differences to Teen Wolf at least, but what I see is coming up now!

[Infinite Jesters]

@reck (or anyone else, I suppose) do you know how to read mastin? I remember him vaguely (he posts big scary walls as town) but not well enough to meta or anything, but dude is sticking out like a sore thumb in this game. Continuously posting seemingly trying to be like "LOOK HOW CRAZY OF A TOWNIE I AM".

This opening on Mastin, generally horrible. This was early game, there was no reason to go "oh does anyone know how to read Mastin so I can make a well informed vote on him?".

well, actually I think i disagree with myself. There is 16 pages of information on the other people, 0 on us.

I propose we all say who is most likely to be scum in the last pool, and why. Then we as a shift can look at eachother more clearly. This will ideally give town the most information, I think? Very similar idea to why no lynches are usually bad

This is pretty much one of those empty protown plans that don't have the benefit of AGar's frustration behind it or ika's sense of excitement. Notice how he never followed up on this anywhere, just kind of threw it out there and forgot about it.

YO

HIPLOP

SUP BOYO

anyone have previous experience with jordan? honestly he seems weird, almost like a troll? Unfortunately trolls can sometimes be town ~_~

This stupid shit again.

the possibility of a crossbus here is pretty likely i think. This doesn't really seem like townvtown or scumvtown.

dont we gain more if we kill bnb and then serene? If bnb flips and serene isn't gone, that essentially confscums them, doesnt it? While on the other hand if serene flips town or lyncher, it really doesnt indicate anything about BnB.

For this reason i think BnB makes more sense today as a lynch VOTE: bnb2

Now, normally i would never call lining up lynches a scumtell because normally its just town wanting to solve the game and nuke their scum pool, but this is absolutely horrible. He doesn't determine any of their alignments at all, or make any attempt to. He just goes "meh, must be crossbussing" and then goes to lynch a lyncher's target immediately after he outs, which I can't really picture any townie doing ever.

[Infinite Jesters]

Eh, thats a good point broseidon. I had tunnel vision on killing EITHER serene or BnB. They are just seriously annoying this game and I wanted to kill them, i guess

Hiplop how in the world does it confscum Serene if B&B flips town? Why are people considering the possibility that Serene is actually a lyncher? Where is the rest of night shift?

Yeah...that was pretty bad.
UNVOTE:

Bro, I honestly dont see the connection between zoraster and venmar? They only interact once in a vote post near the end of the wagon. I mean, it could be a late-wagon bus, but I dont see what links them more than well anyone else who was lynching zoraster. Venmar does seem kind of scummy, but that might be my natural tendancy to link cynicism with scummy-bastards. He has been lurking while also putting forth virtually nothing

Also, scum just pulled a nasty trick. We're lynching in B2 and B6.

That soon? hmm, i guess we are losing our only conftown at b.7 so this actually isnt a bad plan.

VOTE: venmar. Trust bro at this point, i've iso'd the guy a few times and his insistence on BnB is pretty strong, and any reactions to someone disliking him are pretty trash. I'm interested to see him try and defend him self here.

Here he goes "oh, never mind", and then proceeds to sheep BRO after several hedge "oh I think he's town" calls, and then makes a half hearted case on him.

His three townreads are us, Sven, and zepher (?).
His scumreads are: venmar kind of, previously BnB and Serene for cross bussing. I don't believe adapting to double shifts has affected his play this significantly.

[Infinite Jesters]

It took me < 1 minute to read Hiplops entire ISO right now which is pretty voteworthy on its own. But ya. Nothing in it looks town. The comment + vote about us/serene looks terribad like you said. The "venmar is scum...no wait venny is town Im so silly for sheeping BRO" is also terribad.

I think Im voting DRYFIT and BRO is going to hate me for this but

VOTE: Hiplop

You took my last reasoning because I couldn't type fast enough :(:(:(

[Infinite Jesters]

Vote: Hiplop

BRO: READ THROUGH HIPLOP ISO, NOTE THAT HIPLOP+VENMAR PROBABLY ISN'T LIKELY.
IF YOU DO NOT AGREE + BELIEVE YOU'RE STILL CORRECT ON VENMAR, I WILL FINISH VENMAR LYNCH THROUGH IF YOU NEED IT
IF YOU ARE INCORRECT, WE GET LYNCH TOMORROW
IF YOU ARE CORRECT, YOU GET LYNCH TOMORROW
IF YOU FOLLOW ONTO HIPLOP, YOU GET LYNCH TOMORROW REGARDLESS OF FLIP

[Infinite Jesters]

how does a lyncher work in white flag?

[Infinite Jesters]

how does a lyncher work in white flag?

@ mods - how does a lyncher work in white flag?

[Infinite Jesters]

I don't think it is out of the ordinary to ask

eta: brian do you have anything else to remark on other than perv?

[Infinite Jesters]

would you like to know if lynchers count as scum? cos I sure do!

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would you like to know if lynchers count as scum? cos I sure do!

I really don't give a shit.

If you want to lynch the lyncher, go for it. No one's stopping you except maybe the innocent child.

if it is a white flag, isn't it important to know who qualifies as scum?

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would you like to know if lynchers count as scum? cos I sure do!

Only if their target is town. When their target is scum, the lyncher is a POWER ROLE of relentless hounding of scum.

god I cannot tell if you and bird people are on the same team.

but I am pretty sure you are scum

[Infinite Jesters]

Well, you already asked the mods the question, so I don't understand why you're asking if I care or not.

wouldn't it change up your reads a bit?

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so why does that not make you want to lynch them?

this is me coming from a I love indies stance but I do not think they are town compatible. I personally think they are scum.

I would like to know how it counts towards parity

[Infinite Jesters]

For the record, I don't think Venmar and Hiplop can be buddies. But you're welcome to discuss that with me if you think otherwise.

we think venny might be town and our vote is on hiplop wat?

[Infinite Jesters]

For the record, I don't think Venmar and Hiplop can be buddies. But you're welcome to discuss that with me if you think otherwise.

we think venny might be town and our vote is on hiplop wat?

Okay? What's the issue?

All I said is I don't think they could be buddies and if you think I could be wrong about it, you're welcome to talk to me about it.

so vote hiplop?

[Infinite Jesters]

Not to mention that all he does is tunnel BnB so it's not like we can get much else off of him if he really is 3rd party.

he is voting venny.

wasn't he a townread of yours

[Infinite Jesters]

I don't do meta that I am not actively involved in.

where is your hislop vote

I say vote for serene but I am not the only head in this hydra

[Infinite Jesters]

hi ap! you still have me as town yeah?

so can we talk?

ika is bugging the crap out of desp and I, nacho didn't like our vote. we 3 have yet to synch up but it shld be soon I HOPE. desp and I seem to be on the same page tho. can we, you guyz and bro triangulate a bit here and form some cohesion cos I feel like we losing the plot a bit.

people of interest:

serene <---- horrible, why is this thing not lynched yet. I don't think he is indie if he is then they are srsly hindering town like trying to push a lynch under "oh I am just trying to help the IC! we're protown I swear!" on the ic's placeholder vote.
reck <---- yeah no. not feeling it
ika <---- desp and I have independent tells for scumika he has dropped the 1 desp has on him and he just dropped 2 that I have. desp and I think he is scum.
aronis <---- I would go so far to say I am leaning 75% scum on him. I can elaborate if you want me too.
bryfit <---- don't like the zden vote for the reasons he gave especially when he doesn't seem to be trying to sort anybody else out.
venny <---- now venny i had as town until he said he thought mastina was bussing whoever he said he was bussing (I will have to check). I will expand on this (or try to) as soon as I look at that post again and the situ around it.

I am seeing more town zden especially with his posts in this round. can we discuss that 1 if you are still having doubts?

also we can pressure ika since he is on this shift and we can actually have interaction with him the others can wait for a minute.

also I am extraordinarily tired right now so if plz don't get cranky on me. this is a reach out btw

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okay lets start here; you have been psuhing odd angles and while that is not out character with you, how quickly you are to drop them

is

. I think you are full of shit for saying you are going to provide reads but not any reasons why cos you are indicating that you have no intention of providing any analysis EVER <--- am I reading this wrong? cos if you do intend to provide analysis for your reads then you shld starting coughing up something productive right about now to solidify your progression of game assessment. <---- to keep it seekrit cos scum might read it is not paranoia it is stupidity if you are town.

so pick 1 READ and go into detail as to why you think the way that you do and be prepared to answer questions about the progression of it tia

eta: the IC does not count

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your not suppose to really

2) will do brosiaden: IC, hes town.

Oh dear lord.

how about this: iso a player and to present to me why you agree or disagree with the read i put.

I'll indulge you. Peregrine hasn't done anything scummy that I can see, and he's been proactive, so I don't see how he can be worse than null. Why do you think that he's scum?

while I am not as solid as reading perv as some players he feels very town.

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where did you go ika did you decide to take a nap or eat a tunafish sandwitch or something

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add goat boy to the list of people of interest he is really getting his hands dirty or interacting with people all that much which is very different from the 1 game we played together.

hey goat boy, lets interact. I know we are on separate shifts but we can still xtalk and didn't you say you wanted to talk to me????

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1) explain to me how its diffrent from any other game you have played with me atm? i almost never have 2 game be entirly the same

1) the answer to your question is implicit in the point you are addressing. but the deflection is noted, where you say "no 2 games of mine are ever alike!".

2) i think you are misunderstanding there, i dont have intentions of giving it out right away. I do thing careful and planned. Right now with the lack of activity and people being butthurt and just yelling at each other is becoming stupid right now. If everyone wants to just have a pissing fight at each other, then im all for letting this go on and let it uravel. I cant make much more progression unless if i have a flip. Most of my reads come from what i think and then chain together by if that person is town or scum.

so okay, on 1 hand you don't want to give out your seekrit agenda cos scum might see it and nk you for it and on the other hand you do things carefully and plan things out. okay.

there is not a lot of stupid butthurt right now; serene is claiming lyncher on bird people and bird people are saying no way. if you want to see stupid non related to game fights I can show you this isn't 1 of them. what you have is a bunch of loud people and a bunch of blending in; I am looking at the peeps who are trying to blend in but I want to sort out the peeps on our shift cos we can actually interact with them. you are unsure leaning scum hence the q&a.

you also have 2 flips so what are your thoughts right now?

3) how about i do you and stal?

this is what i see so far

both of you are lovers. yes?
so my thoughts goes this
first, take the basic knowns
22 players
white flag
ic with experation
1 scum (min) in each shift
now add in what is assumed/what i think
lover claim (both agree)
maybe 6 scums
scum/scum lover too unliekly
scum/town lover probable
town/town lover probable
lyncher existance
lyncher target has higer chance of town then scum (assume random)
now running random thinking ideas on what would make it ballenced:
town/town+ic the leaves+ lyncher with town=not really ballenced
how does it become ballenced
town/scum lover, lyncher with scum, both?

so out of the 2 of you one of you is scum

stop right here.

this was already addressed. what is questionable is why are you still focused on it since with the white flag mechanic 1 scum can remain alive so lynching the lovers isn't going to happen. the only reason to sort us out if you are following your own line of conjecture from a town POV is if you are trying to figure out who to listen to and work with; I don't see you doing this. that worries me.

nacho can mebbe answer the balance question better than I can, I think most games are pretty swingey on this site and it come down to in thread play. what bothers me is the latter part you are not really addressing or acting with very much commitment but instead are basing reads on set-up spec, and their is no overflow of other useful insight into in thread behaviour.

next i go look at interactions and how you guys have played and how stal has played.

and from that i draw my conclusion. you have interactied negativly with the other people i dont trust as well as not really done much help for town as i would expect you would. Stal has done that.

what negative interactions are you viewing as negative are you talking about? and how are we not helping town? how is sven not helping town? sven has been bumped up to unsure

and from there my read start to link up. if we get another flip then i redefine my reads based on the info that is found.

walk me through your linked reads plz. cos I want to understand where you are coming from.

Now after thats fuck full of shit im gone. if i am responding to anyhting else its going be either short or just idgaf mood

you keep shutting down when any1 questions you and I don't like it. sometimes I shut down as town too but it is when I am being gangbanged emotionally and you are not.

I am trying to sort you out cos I am not seeing a big town flare here.

lets talk perv, cos you gave an opinion on him.

perv is a player I have played lots with that I still don't understand and have trouble reading. I can tell you he isn't all that emotional so those tactics won't work on him. what I have learned about him is to sit back and see if his reasoning matches up with his flow. so far it does. his questions are pointed, have a direction and so far the progression of his thoughts makes sense if you follow the narrative in his posts from a town POV. he also is doing follow-ups. <---- he is trying to sort things out.

this is the stuff I would like to see from you.

I wouldn't pester you if I did not think that you could do this. it is that you aren't and are being super defensive about it is what concerns me.

where did ap go

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@ ika: why is bird people phone raging somewhere?

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where did ap go

he dais phone post, prob raging off somewhere

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I'd respond more coherently but I'm so phone posting and so not in the mood to justify this 109% correct read.

^that is what i ment. and before that he was just kinda comming off in a screaming frenzy

okay I think I get where you are coming from!

I have some thoughts here do you want to hear them?

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we could always put zekrom2 out of his misery

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gosh darn it

VOTE: that mr z cat thing plz

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VOTE: ika

zden has been pestering me all game about mastina's read on him I am not quite sure how you can miss it like he mentioned it a couple of times.

all I want is 1 town to work with JUST 1

bird people why the scumread on ika but no vote?

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I can't even get behind the idea that your weekend stole all of your blood supply.

why is zden still a scumread.

also if you think serene's claim is bs then why is he not in your scumlist

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Kinda. ika could be scum or town, but probably not a good place to vote today.
Zdenek could be either, but probably not a good place to vote today.
And as for serene's claim being BS.
Well.

I'd love for it to be a scumclaim from him.
But this is kuribo we're talking about.

yabbut it was fauxthing that made that big long post about breadcrumbing and shit. he has never struck me as a player who would gambit for diminished returns.

that you are ignoring this except to casually bring this up is weird.

what is stranger is that I have been screeching through the rooftops that serene is scum, their claim is shit and I think perv made a mention of it too.

I want you guyz to be town but I am losing faith here

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walk me through a scenario where this is townserene

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I am not an acceptable lynch.

I agree and I have lost my townread on bird people because of it.

nacho and desp will never go for their lynch tho.

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@ bro

I know you are confirm town and that can make a player lazy sometimes but I really need your help here! you KNOW I work off of your reads so I need something more than what you have been providing so far. I really think zden might be town here.

I feel like something needs to happen between serene and bird people. I am losing confidence in my town read on bird people. ap is not letting me IN with these last few exchanges and that has never been a problem before. ever. except when he is scum.

I will have to rethink everything I know about mastina if they are scum. EVERYTHING.

tell me what to do here. lets talk. lets xshift work together cos I know you know that I am town.

plz help

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Tell Nacho to remember NotScience Wicked Mafia as a reminder as to how dumb irrational town reads are.

why remind him of wicked when I can remind him about arguing down my cop viewed guilty on muffina after I was dead in touhou. I crumbed the shit out of that read but nooooooooo

it is desp that will need convincing I think.

can you remind me of what you think of ika again.

lets talk reads. I want to work with you now that I am finally getting a town read on you.

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I feel like something needs to happen between serene and bird people. I am losing confidence in my town read on bird people. ap is not letting me IN with these last few exchanges and that has never been a problem before. ever. except when he is scum.

Excuse me? I just. I just dont even know what to tell you at this point. I responded to you with a fairly large post all cause you wanted one and now Im shutting you off and pretty obviously must be scum!! Ya, no thanks.

In case it hasnt been made clear: I have zero time for this right now. I got chewed out at work, by my boss for this issue still being open and its crunch time for me. On top of that, I was visiting my boyfriend last week which is something I only get to do like 20% of my time MAXIMUM. Im only putting in the teensiest amount of giveafuck right now because the shift is ending soon and I want to have my vote somewhere productive.

K bye.

see why are you getting so defensive

you did earlier too. what was the point about planting drugs on brian skies post? your interactions with serene confuse me and you never really did address the point that I made about fauxthing making the breadcrumb post or whatever and not kuribo.

zden vote is not a productive 1. you are either trolleytracking which I know you are perfectly capable of doing as town but I do not see why you have the stance on serene that you do.

and I am at a loss as to why every1 is losing steam. we have a scum lynch. desp thinks it is the mechanic but I don't get it, we knew what the mechanic was when we all signed up for it.

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(((ap)))

I am stressed out too. and I won't get offended if you tell me to fuck off.

I don't know what to say really. except that I never said that you were shutting me down I said you weren't letting me IN. there is a difference.

don't you think that zden's recent posts come from a town perspective?

I just finished a game where scum won through misrepping meta like champs. zden, bro, nacho and I were all in that game. mebbe that is making me more sympathetic to zden's case on you except I could see town mastina making a shift as he did. <--- I even said this.

what is bugging me is your stance on serene.

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if you only skimmed the last few pages then it makes sense that you still have zden as a scumread.

only it looks like you are not trying to sort him out. <--- I am.

and you are still ignoring my points about serene.

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if zthing and bird people are our only lynch options we're nling

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are we sure the other shift isn't the ic and a bunch of scum?

they all look like scum except perv and 14.5

unvote
vote: goat thing

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Get out of here with that shit, we're lynching today with or without you


You're wasting your vote on someone that will almost certainly not be lynched today


When B&B flips scum, note mollies blatant obstruction of justice and string her the fuck up

I think it is funny how no matter what hydra I am in that it is always referred to as mollie no matter who posts.

that was desp.

I am all for a lynch but there is no way in hell I am lynching zdenk or after that last post by mastina that I am getting ready to respond to. I was waffling on them a little bit before.

but for now, UNVOTE: goat boy

I have no clue what's going on right now.

I'm voting Jesters because most of the posting on the last couple pages that I skimmed seems to be mollie, and the posting style here seems different from Reckoning III Invitational, which just finished and I pegged her as town PRETTY easily there.

this vote and post is so bad on so many levels. like so bad

1. there is a white flag in play mechanic and we are lovers so even if either sven or I are lovers we should probably be left alone.
2. after skype mafia last night where reck pushed on me for something retarded I am starting to think that it is a scumtell for him and that he might not actually be retarded. cos he can normally read me pretty well and I am pretty freaking town in this game.

I can't tell if reck voting goat boy would be a bus or not. goat boy would be easier to figure out if HE WOULD FREAKING INTERACT WITH ME.

@ morning thing - what our confused about? I didn't see you ask any questions. of course it is moot now since I think it is close to dl or something.

gonna respond to mastina's post

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if you only skimmed the last few pages then it makes sense that you still have zden as a scumread.
only it looks like you are not trying to sort him out. <--- I am.

I was. AP failed to read our QT properly since he took a lack of response to him at a time I couldn't respond to mean I was okay with a Zdenek wagon, when I quite explicitly was NOT okay with it.
The Zdenek wagon, bluntly?

sucks

. None of Dry-fit, ika, or serene really look town at all, ESPECIALLY since BROseidon said that he was voting Zdenek as mere filler, not as a serious vote, and yet he got sheeped anyway. Between {Zdenek, Sven, hiplop, Venmar}, I also think there's an additional 1-2 scum (sliiiiiiiiight chance of one scum outside the main wagons), butyeah. I'm looking mainly in those seven names, with me thinking Sven's town and Venmar's likely town and Zdenek being sorted (yet crapwagon means likely town).

Basically, looking at Dry-fit, ika, Serene (not all of them, but probably two of them, being scum), and hiplop.

and you are still ignoring my points about serene.

I'm not! AP mighta, but I'm listening. (Loosely, anyway.)

during the last round when ap and I were going at it I sent desp and nacho pms that I was tired of them not doing a thing and I was losing momentum, that I needed help cos I was going to crazyville and I was feeling abandoned and was thinking replacing out and let them sub in with their hydra cos I was just feeling burnt. so desp after reading my pm got onto gchat and pointed out that it sounded like ap was going through the exact same thing I was going through with my hydra and he is right, on a huge level. I can relate very well to ap's frustration with your lack of presence.

and then you come in and make the towniest of townie posts and do the towniest thing by unvoting zden. god I hope you are town.

I just need 1 townread to wrap myself around and anchor myself to. zden kind of is but we are not as familiar with each other. can you plz talk to zden? it would be awsum to have 3 town try to work together since bro isn't doing much. sven won't work with me and ap is being ap so if you could get more active in the game that would be fantastic.

it seems I have more to say to you but I forgot what.

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okay. my daughter brought chocolate cake from when she went out to dinner with her friends cos I am dreadfully sick and I haven't eaten in 2 days and it actually tasted good and I managed to eat part of it. so I am feeling good right about now. it always warms my heart when 1 of my children goes out their way to do something nice for me. I am grateful for it every single time and fortunately it is not a rare occurrence.

so.

this is why I am waffling on bird people.

mastina can post and I feel all these warm fuzzies and it is just like, "omg townmatina!" and then ap posts and I am left going wtf. I don't understand how I can be in so lockstep with 1 head not even be hearing the same music with the other. like I said before, if mastina is scum then I will have to rethink everything I know about mastina and do a serious hard reset on him as a player and how I read him.

What about it? Im doing my best not to interact with them, understandably. They are claiming lyncher on me and given that we are a fairly viable mislynch right now, IDK what Serene's game plan will be if they don't actually leave the game after we get lynched. Sooooo, ?? I honestly have no idea. I think they are a distraction. I may be fuckingretarded, but Im doubting that FG's hailmary fake claim is from mafia. I just have a hard time seeing that and the lyncher shenanigans from mafia. So IDK. I basically dont want to think about them unless I have to. What is bad about my stance on them exactly?

I could see them claiming lyncher on a player who is unlikely to get lynched as scum. I can also see their play as coming from a lyncher. what I am NOT seeing are motivations as town aligned at this point. I am usually retardedly indie friendly (kuribo knows this!) if I think the indie will genuinely help town. nacho early on thought that fg was playing to his scum meta (I don't have his recent thoughts. at all cos he sucks) but I really don't have a good grasp of fg's play he freaking always scummy. so i am looking at kuribo and dgb and I think that they would first and foremost play to their wc and try to fulfill it so their is that. it is why I would be sad to see them go cos as long as you are in the game I agree they will be a distraction that could harm town. having said that if anybody could pull off a lyncher claim as scum it would be those 2. so it is paranoia based on the potential collective of their scumplay and nothing that I have actually seen yet.

and my paranoia in thinking they are scum has a bit to do with I am not understanding you at all but I will get to that. so it was wondering if they were trying to bus you with a lyncher claim but you are right, they would have to explain as to why they were still around after you were lynched and those address my fears that you both are on the same team.

@ every1

let's talk about lynchers. lynchers are usually on town. why? cos a lyncher has lynch their target in order to win and unless it is 1 of those lynchbait people who will practically will lynch themselves they will have to push their target all game in order to get this accomplished. if the target is scum then it handicaps the scum team as in they will have an indie dogging their ass the entire game and if this IS the case i will have words with the gm cos I have been in that position and it is no fun and it would seem weird that they would give scum such open handicaps after the feedback the gms got in anything goes (altho that was a usurper situ). they might. I feel like trying to reverse engineer ut's and quadz's brains is above my pay grade level as a mafia player tho.

IF bird people are scum and serene doesn't disappear then serene is a likely partner I think (going with the above logic). cos a lyncher disappears. which had me weirded out when serene was all like "could we just lynch bird people so we can then help town find scum" but with more thought that line of thinking supports more of a genuine lyncher knowing they won't ever be held accountable (and they are pretty all pretty familiar with role site meta) to actually help town try to find scum.

so hhmm.

back to why I waffle on bird people.

serene is behaving as expected. Lyncher? Probably not. Scum? Maybe.

I... kind of like this post? Its like...Im in this cave. And Im surrounded by darkness. Off in the distance I see a glimmer. A glimmer of light and hope in a world of bullshit. That glimmer of light is this post. In english: Please be town, you are making a fair amount of sense.

okay so, ap thinks my reads are shit and might be scum cos I think serene might be scum and not a lyncher but ap somehow finds morning things posts "a lovely ray of sunshine" when she is saying...that she thinks that serene might be scum and not a lyncher? like wtf, we are saying the same thing.

so bird people are either:

a) scum cosying up to morning person
b) town who is stuck in a pretty large crevice and not applying the same rationale of sorting alignments to 2 players.

counter argument to a) is that I have seen ap do this kind of thing before as town where he gets wounds up and weirdly irrational.
counter argument to b) it is a really large crevice and I don't understand the failure to see the flaw within in his own reasoning. refer to counter argument a) tho.

and there is other stuff:

It was a reference to our FLAVOR and nothing more. See we are Joseph Diaz, compulsive blackmailing sociopath. Ooops I mean TOWN Compulsive Blackmailing Sociopath. I blackmailed Brian Skies in the thread yesterday and learned that he has a lot of money so hes probably a manager and scum. Mastin regularly blackmails people and shoots heroin so she was excited when we saw all this in our role PM.

see this retarded claim reminds me of what ap did in antihero's reboot to thorella. he claimed a one shot gun owver or whatever the fuck it was. ap is trolling and this segment isn't useful in any way cos it doesn't really determine ap's alignment. he does it as town or scum and I am not going to rely on the mechanic to give any info w/o a flip cos the claim is ambiguous as town or scum and I don't know if the critics randomise character roles or not.

I find brian person an odd choice cos most people were townreading him but me including desp and nacho and it is weird that there was no reachout to some1 who shared a similar suspicion. but my suspicions are vague but they were there. I am just done with trying to reverse engineer how specials use their night action cos a lot of what is done doesn't make sense IMO but sometimes it works out so yeah I am giving trying to understand that aspect of a player's play a rest. so null.

This is scum feeling the need to overexplain their scumread on me because they know that they are naughty. I mean...the phoneposting comment here is so out of place. There was no reaon for it except for Cabron to try and show that hes having unique and independent reaction to posts which the evidence of actually happening is not really there. Easy town reads on BS (which is a BS read) and Sven for no reason.

so I guess cabron is goat boy?

how did you know he is called this?

was it from a previous game? do you have a link?

cos mastina called him this too and I was wondering who he was talking about.

No, our flavor really isnt that specific to us, mastin just got v excited. I guess it is sort of a good match for us.

that was 1 post that by mastina's that did stand out cos I am pretty sure that the critic's integrity as mods can be counted on and as far as I know mastina doesn't like shooting up heroin or blackmailing people so why the excitement. but /ap trolling wifom

and here we get to the meat of my confusion on bird people:

Town?: Ika, Aronis. Both of these players gross me out and I just find Aronis's lack of anything rather uninspiring. Ika is all over the place and just vomitting opinions everywhere and dropping them like their hot, but I -think- these two players are town. I keep oscillating between wanting to call one of these townier than the other, but I just cant so I wont.

I can go with the townread with reference to that streetcar game on ika cos the play is similar and he was town. desp thinks he is scum and there are a couple of things reminding me of isaac that serene seems to be ignoring. aronis is a bigger stretch cos of the tiny amount of games I have played with aronis he actually gives reads and in this game he isn't. he leans scummy for me.

Sven/Jesters: Fuck if I know. Lynch them if its lylo or something and we just need one lynch to win. I have townreads on both of these players, I feel better about the IJ one. Sven is , but not sure if scum.

you have town reads on 2 lovers and yet you are suggesting that we are lynched in lylo? I don't even get this.

the disconnect is that ap is setting up for a lylo lynch that will result in a scumwin if he genuinely thinks we are both town.

since desp and I are both wondering "is sven actually town????" I am wondering where this line of thought even comes from.

Please be town for my sanity: Goodmorning. One of the few people actually playing like they have more than one braincell. I think town. Especially for the whole "I can move my vote, you are stoopid for thinking I wont" and then not actually doing it.

was the braincell stemmed from her wondering if serene might be scum and not a lyncher? cos I would find that incredibly ironic since that is what seems to be as to why you think she is town. horrifyingly funny if you are town and I will troll you mercilessly but bitter feelings as scum and you actually get away with it.

----------If you doubt any of these reads, doubt the Zekrom one. I doubt it myself at intervals ------------------

ap's calling zekrom is really strange since that is what I called him and zephyr isn't actually zekrom. I was calling him zekrom cos zephyr's earlier posting was pretty bad in that it had the same idgf attitude as zekrom. I was trolling zephyr into providing more solid play since I do not know him and wanted to try to get a feel for him.

having said that, zephyr's last posts are interesting. he may be 1 of those players that have better play as the game continues on.

Like this is a post that makes me wanna scumread Zekrom. Im not sure what he means about his playstyle and Im not sure why he bothers to bring it up at all. And I dislike the alive at endgame sentiment but at least he said that and not "LyLo" which is making me not hate the post as much as I could.

this is weird too. its like ap has never seen a town player lynched for playstyle reasons ever. and he should know better.

Serene - policy lynch them I guess. Everything they've done is slimy which is pretty par for whatever alignment they are.

where was this thought when we were pushing the serene case? I can't tell if this is townap and I coming to the same place (finally) or scum ap with scum serene hedging on his read on a scummate whom apparently no1 wants to lynch. *paranoia*

Zdenek - God, never have a I had the pleasure of having been scumread over a more trivially pedantic case on a hydra buddy before. Get this the hell out of this game before it fires more townies or busses more townies, depending on its alignment.

huh

the bussing more townies comment was weird.

Peregrine - I think PV is scum. Like I actually feel pretty decent about that. His ISO left me feeling a little .

desp and I have him as town and we thought it was pretty solid. I don't get why you think he is scum, not from what you have said.

Hmmm but my pet scumteam involved 3 scum voting me. Which seems unlikely. Im not mastin enough to be able to feel good about making that assumption. Maybe 2 scum out of {hiplop/zdenek/goat}
Its also possible there are only 4 scum left instead of 5 like Ive been assuming.

is that cos you think that serene is an actual lyncher on you? cos I am confused as to how you made this jump.

Also I want Mollie to explain her crapread on Zdenek to me. I skimmed his posts from a few pages back and its all the same whiny bitch shit about mastin's read on him.

I am not understanding why you are not checking in with your hydra partner's reads here cos mastina kind of agrees with me hence the unvote.

aside from that, I thought I spotted a town flail glimmer in some of zdenk's posts.

your reads are off if you are town I think. the biggest 1 I think is you touched on peripherally the reck 1 which I haven't addressed yet.

and I don't even know how to cos I am unsure on reck, but his play reminds us of red wedding minus the early special drop. I am still trying to work reck out. desp has him as scum last I checked.

and now I am tired.

I guess all I got from this is I have no fucking idea about serene and bird people I want bird people to be town but unsure/leaning town. the planting of drugs on brian looks bad unless brian is actually scum.

I think what is really baking my turkey is that night shift is the most active and yet we ALL were the 1s who were moved in order to accommodate a town?/scum? venny.

cos we don't know what mechanics are in play with the shift switches mebbe town moved him cos our shift is so much noiser with 3 hydras.

I had him as town. and I don't understand why venny is pushing bird people as scum with a claimed lyncher positional on them when he is not a retarded mod if he actually believes serene's claim (I am guessing he did). it moves venny to unsure.

/wifom

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see this retarded claim reminds me of what ap did in antihero's reboot to thorella. he claimed a one shot gun owver or whatever the fuck it was. ap is trolling and this segment isn't useful in any way cos it doesn't really determine ap's alignment. he does it as town or scum and I am not going to rely on the mechanic to give any info w/o a flip cos the claim is ambiguous as town or scum and I don't know if the critics randomise character roles or not.

Why in the 9 fucks of fuckery would you compare obvious sarcasm (this game) to a dead serious fake claim that was intended to be taken seriously (AH mafia). My mind is just pretty blown mollie. Im pissed off, ok?

Then stop interacting?

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Conceivably, the only lynch that will go through today is BnB. Zdenek lynch requires everyone to vote for him save himself, which is impossible because Serene, Goat requires 8 to kill and is technically possible, but that's a united front amongst everyone except for Serene and I'm not quite sure we can swing it considering what a fucking failure this town has been so far.

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Aww, I'm sorry Brian!

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No, your last vote was L-1 and you're a dork.
I probably won't hammer just in case Serene has to be on the wagon: I don't want any bullshit excuses if they're around tomorrow because people will buy into them.

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I'm probably going to make it my single minded goal to lynch hiplop tomorrow, to be honest.

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Yes, I am a dork. But you should probably hammer anyways.

And thanks for the consolation. Wondering how it happened because the inside is shattered but the outside seems fine. The outside edges seem to have been chipped though.

Drunks broke into your car and tried to get back out through the inside?

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I think I can read overnight this game since its not technically night!
I'm also wondering why we aren't lynching more since we can lynch multiple times per day and that's an insanely town sided mechanic?

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Nvm, just read the rules: BRO's a deep and you can't lynch multiple times per phase.
Never mind.

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It is.
I can't see myself voting Brian.
I could probably vote Dry Fit.

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Actually, I'm not sure how lynchers work. Do they need to be on their designated wagon?

Sometimes. I'm happier just not risking it.

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Yes, I am a dork. But you should probably hammer anyways.

And thanks for the consolation. Wondering how it happened because the inside is shattered but the outside seems fine. The outside edges seem to have been chipped though.

Drunks broke into your car and tried to get back out through the inside?

Haha, what?

I think it's more likely somebody tried to break into the care and either they didn't have enough force to break through (and it shattered on the inside), or the glass glossed over on the outside (glass is technically a fluid).

(it's happened before)

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no
this is stupid
lynching obvtown is unequivocally worse than no lynching
and if AP isn't obvtown to you guys now then you have a psychological problem

We've had this horrible distraction for this long: it's better to free up votes and get our shit together tomorrow as opposed to keeping the game state the same.

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no
this is stupid
lynching obvtown is unequivocally worse than no lynching
and if AP isn't obvtown to you guys now then you have a psychological problem

We've had this horrible distraction for this long: it's better to free up votes and get our shit together tomorrow as opposed to keeping the game state the same.

bandb's "lynch me" stunt should have been enough and you know it
this is all incredibly stupid
you overthought a simple case

I thought BandB was town the entire game.
Who are you going to push tomorrow?

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oh yaye we can post now!

so serene lynch yeah?

VOTE: serene

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Vote: Serene

Listen, the 10 of us can achieve this lynch right now without the night shift's input. I don't really want to see another one of their worthless posts this game. They are just noise makers.

No this should never be done. We should give our prs a chance to use their abilities.

I don't like this Serene wagon at all. One of the obvious consequence of the AGar kill was that it made B&B more likely to get lynched. That's why I stopped suspecting them. I think scum was trying to set B&B and Serene up for consecutive lynches and is probably among those on the Serene wagon.

Vote: Aronis.

bad

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Vote: Serene

Listen, the 10 of us can achieve this lynch right now without the night shift's input. I don't really want to see another one of their worthless posts this game. They are just noise makers.

No this should never be done. We should give our prs a chance to use their abilities.

I don't like this Serene wagon at all. One of the obvious consequence of the AGar kill was that it made B&B more likely to get lynched. That's why I stopped suspecting them. I think scum was trying to set B&B and Serene up for consecutive lynches and is probably among those on the Serene wagon.

Wellllll seeing as kuribo pretty much set himself up....?

Now I remember why I was ok with this vote.

As to the serene wagon - I'm considering it.

this is just as bad dryfits post cos you are implying that serene might be scum after a ridiculous lyncher claim and yet he is still around but you are not voting them.

it is weird how you are saying you remember why you voted dryfit but are only considering serene in the face of a lyncher not removed flip.

like do you really think they are a lyncher at this point

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oh yeah this was the post

#1) I disagree, it's not bad.

it is. with a white flag mechanic if 1 of us is scum then hey introduce your pet scum. who can still be alive even with a town win. \o/

#2) How does a white flag mechanic being in play mean we

shouldn't

lynch lovers? I'm not following the reasoning there.

you are not this obtuse reck. don't even try

#3) Are you seriously trying to say that my face-to-face/Skype mafia meta is applicable in

forum mafia

? REALLY? And where do you get that I "can normally read you pretty well"... we've played in like one game together besides this one where we were both town, so the ONLY thing I can imagine here is that you're just pushing FACE TO FACE META as justification for FORUM META reads.

we have played in 3 games iirc, 1 in which you were scum, I voted you, you softclaimed greywolf, you were still in our pool for vig shots n2. we shot your scummate tierce.

the other was sabotage.

and then reckoning. which you had me as town and mebbe you said this in the game so why wouldn't you have a good grasp on us right now?

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@ brian

I am sorry I did not get back to you when you gave a shout out cos I saw it. I was trying not to attract too much attention to you and was waiting for nacho and desp to see what they had to say. our communications are pretty sporadic.

I am sorry.

I see where nacho is coming from with the hiplock scum thing but I am not going to lose sight of serene.

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zephyr is most likely town btw

[Infinite Jesters]

BUT SERENE NEEDS TO BE LYNCHED TODAY

[Infinite Jesters]

jesus christ don't buy into what they are saying!

they have freaking scumclaimed why would you freaking out the vig in twilight if you were trying to protect them????????????

[Infinite Jesters]

we've accepted our collective deaths, and we've used both our protects now and we inadvertently fucked over the rest of the town, so if you could just make with lynching us that would be swell

shut up with your mist spreading self

[Infinite Jesters]

no but seriously, if i were scum, i wouldn't have to out the vig, genius


i'd just... you know... tell them in the QT

no shit

that's why we expect you to flip traitor

[Infinite Jesters]

so what role might that be?

other than cop/lyncher/doc which is what you have claimed.

if any1 believes for a second that serene is town then omg

[Infinite Jesters]

Dont lynch

serene2

yet, it seems like the setup misslynch.

I am at work on phone for another 12 hours.

Do not cut this day short.

wtf

IT SEEMS LIKE THE SET-UP MISLYNCH WHEN SERENE LIED...TWICE TO GET BIRD PEOPLE LYNCHED

IF THEY ARE TOWN THEY ARE WORKING AGAINST THEIR WC

I DON'T BELIEVE THEIR SHIT CLAIM THAT THEY ARE A DOCTOR FOR A SECOND.

THE ONLY WAY THIS POST MAKES SENSE IS IF YOU ARE SCUM WITH THEM.

SO GLAD I OUTED US SO THAT TOWN KNOWS TO IGNORE THE SNAKE IN THE GRASS COS THINKING I WAS RIGHT TO THINK THAT SERENE WAS TRYING TO GIVE YOU SOFT COVER IN RVS

[Infinite Jesters]

I just think you are scum at this point

and I want you to die in this game

DIE SCUM DIE!!!

[Infinite Jesters]

I had not seen your doc claim when i posted. I still dont think you are scum. I think you are selfish and ignorant towards town people trying hard.

Do you have any reason whatsoever for thinking this or are you just ignorant?

[Infinite Jesters]

In b4 mollie claims I no killed to boost a doc claim and then calls it mist

I don't think there's any need at all to claim anything like this.

[Infinite Jesters]

Dont lynch

serene2

yet, it seems like the setup misslynch.

I am at work on phone for another 12 hours.

Do not cut this day short.

The "setup" mislynch.
Player fakes a guilty on a town player, then claims lyncher on a town player.
Of course, he must be being set up!

[Infinite Jesters]

Yeah well I've told AP before that I was never playing with him again


This was the consequence

you better fucking flip scum because otherwise, holy shit, kuribo

[Infinite Jesters]

the scum motivation is dominating the day phase for the entire game and getting a really strong town hydra lynched on pure 100% bullshit

pretty sure we've already said this ad nauseum

pedit: if you want to say something sarcastic you need to indicate it derp

please die now

[Infinite Jesters]

Like geez mollie. I'd never play directly against my wincon. That hurts.

HOLY SHIT GUY

IT SHOULD NOT BE THIS HARD TO REALIZE YOU AREN'T TALKING TO MOLLIE

[Infinite Jesters]

Instead of shooting them?

why waste a shot on someone when you can coast, not scumhunt, and still get him mislynched?

then your scum buddies will have all those delicious sheep to mislynch after your death

[Infinite Jesters]

Like geez mollie. I'd never play directly against my wincon. That hurts.

HOLY SHIT GUY

IT SHOULD NOT BE THIS HARD TO REALIZE YOU AREN'T TALKING TO MOLLIE

There's a little bit of mollie in all of us

I am pretty sure this is an insult but I found it funny.

[Infinite Jesters]

sven

stop fucking talking to the scum and vote them

[Infinite Jesters]

Because liquor drunkens me?


I never was good at being a doc, frankly I'm just happy I managed not to blurt out my claim day 1 like the other times I was doc

thank goodness fg's carefully constructed "breadcrumbs" from randomised letters saved you from that!

DIE SCUM DIE!!!!

[Infinite Jesters]

yeah man we all know your most recent posts are the only ones that are relevant

you can just do whatever the fuck you want and then they get erased after 24 hours!

[Infinite Jesters]

Wrong button,

Serene2

, thanks for your reads, And thanks for being cooperative. I will coment on it soon. In the mean time, could you please stop responding to

Infinite Jesters

? Your conversation is just another reason for town to gain apathy.

If you are town you have reach a desirable gamestate (no AP) at the cost of us other townies. You can still redeem yourself and start working towards a protown gamestate, ie. no back and forth with mollie.

he was talking to nacho and desp you fucking idiot. I think i made like 1 comment or something

I honestly don't want to be in a game where some1 fakeclaims a guilty, then fakeclaims a lyncher after some1 suggested it and is now fakeclaiming doc and claiming to be protector on a player that they outed as vig.

like the levels of stupidity it takes to exonerate this is just too much to contemplate.

it is a shame. I used to love playing mafia

[Infinite Jesters]

brian I really did enjoy playing with you.

[Infinite Jesters]

vote: ika

[Infinite Jesters]

im also down for voting the lover pair, i still think one of them are scum

I think it is lovely how you are trying to push the same scum angle that serene pushed. :/

even if we are scum, why are you ignoring the white flag mechanic?

instead of scumhunting you are trying to push this awkward angle that frankly lacks impetus? (not to mention sound reasoning with the caveat hey hint, you can ignore us, cos white flag)

your pissiness reads as scumpissiness not townpissiness.

[Infinite Jesters]

sven, what is your *thorough* read on ikea?

[Infinite Jesters]

also gm and reck

[Infinite Jesters]

if you like that vote so much then why are you not voting him zden

[Infinite Jesters]

I don't even have words for aronis's "why are the lovers not dead yet" when there was a missing scum kill. and gm agreeing with him.

like, there aren't even words.

you guys dithered over serene and town lynched bird people are you really going to derp this round out too

goat people I am here we can talk now!!!

[Infinite Jesters]

now that is a good question!

eta: that 1 is too!

[Infinite Jesters]

sven said the flavours of the deaths were different tho

[Infinite Jesters]

this is mollie so far

aronis - I personally, don't think he is this derpy. remember in wicked yeah? he was way more engaged in that game.

goat boy - not sure, desp leans scummy

venny - town

gm - not liking her

reck - looks kinda scummy!

who else is there

do you really have ika as town cos you are going to have to walk me through it. desp and I both think he is scum

[Infinite Jesters]

lets lynch him

oh yeah dry-fit is a bit unsure but it is cos of who is on his wagon. and I agree with venny

[Infinite Jesters]

you know what would excite me?

lets pick a player and go over our read on them.

[Infinite Jesters]

gm

[Infinite Jesters]

okay so you are not voting wat is that about

[Infinite Jesters]

oh wait you are voting zeph

[Infinite Jesters]

okay so zeph read in exchange for ika read

[Infinite Jesters]

YES NEW SHIFT

[Infinite Jesters]

The person posting now is NACHO.
NACHO is posting. I don't have much time and generally when I push in a rush, I push aggressive as fuck. I apologize for any of the weak-hearted that I offend.

[Infinite Jesters]

First:

Vote: hiplop

This is where I want to vote. This is who I want to die. I want him to die very badly. If not hiplop, we can kill Reck.

[Infinite Jesters]

Also let me point out the hilariously obvious:

Bird and Beast (4) - Serene2, Venmar, ika, MrZepher

Venmar (4) - BROseidon, Aronis, Svenskt Stal, Serene2

hiplop (4) - Bird and Beast, infinte jesters, Brian Skies, ika

Zdenek (4) - BROseidon, Dry-fit, ika, Serene2

This message has been brought to you by the "kill the living fuck out of hiplop" committee dedicated to a town win.

[Infinite Jesters]

hey sven wats your hiplock read?

[Infinite Jesters]

burn him to the ground.

then why are you not supporting in any way shape or form the wagon that nacho is trying to build on him?

[Infinite Jesters]

i could see more reasons as both but i need more time to post.

if its entirly fake im more inclined to think scum/scum

if the claim is true i think lover/scum.

but thats the joy of paranoia. Something just irks me about it overall

you would have to be a drooling idiot to think that serene and us were scum together. <---- what this tells me is that you are not reading the game and are only applying a surface level of scumhunting that lacks any progression whatsoever.

for instance when did your read change on sven? cos you had him as town until your push on us alone didn't gain any traction. for this alone I think sven might

possibly

be town.

it is cos I don't think you are a drooling idiot that I have you as scum. I bet some players think you are a drooling idiot tho.

you have somehow managed to ignore the white flag mechanic. HEY WHAT THAT MEANS IS 1 SCUM CAN REMAIN ALIVE IN ENDGAME.

you bring up that we are not dead yet. I AM TELLING YOU THAT MORE THAN LIKELY THERE IS A PROTECTIVE ROLE IN PLAY WHO HAS AT LEAST HAS 2 BRAINCELLS TO RUB TOGETHER GO PROTECTIVE ROLE PERSON I THINK I KNOW WHO YOU ARE AND I DUNNO, DO YOU THINK SCUM MIGHT HAVE TRIED TO KILL THE PEOPLE WHO SAW SCUMSERENE FOR WHAT THEY WERE AND IS TRYING TO DERAIL DERP LYNCHES LIKE THE 1 ON BIRD PEOPLE?

GOD THIS IS JUST SO FUCKING HARD!

[Infinite Jesters]

Yeah, well if you read it you would know that I said you and Goat are the ones likely to be scum, not 14.5

LIKE DID ANYBODY ELSE SEE THIS? IKA IS TRYING TO GIVE THE IMPRESSION THAT HE IS WORKING WITH VENNY WHEN HE ISN'T AND THEN GETS ALL DEFENSIVE WHEN QUESTIONED ABOUT IT.

IKA IS SCUM.

READ THOSE EXCHANGES AGAIN THAT LED VENNY TO THIS OBSERVATION AND READ THE AFTERPARTS TOO.

[Infinite Jesters]

VOTE: IKA

[Infinite Jesters]

They're definitely both going to be the same alignment, well at least i don't think a town/scum lover pair would work with white flag. (although the reasoning behind that is just logic getting in the way of stuff)

huh?

town/scum lover is actually extremely elegant with white flag. town can win without touching the lover pair whatsoever, regardless of their affiliations.

[Infinite Jesters]

hiplop (5) - Dry-fit, goodmorning, Infinite Jesters, Brian Skies, PeregrineV
xRECKONERx (3) - The Goat, MrZepher, Svenskt Stål

RECK! THIS IS OUR SLOT MENTIONING YOU JUST IN CASE YOU MISS IT WHILE YOUR SELF-CENTEREDLY SKIMMING OUR SHIFT

half the game thinks one of you is scum and you're both coasting on your confirmable towniness

how about the first post each of you makes in the next shift is you going about the confirmation process

[Infinite Jesters]

reck and i are good people i promise

i always have something of value to say in the other shift... I'm currently starring in a production right now so ill be busy for 2/3 more days :\

Venmar, those were some saucy posts. Much love.

I want to keep both myself & hiplop around until at least the next Episode. There's a great reason, I swear. Well, maybe not a great reason, but a decent one.

I still haven't read much on the other shift, admittedly... I'm basically only popping in occasionally to see if IJ said anything about me on that page.

Venmar brings up a good point that each shift has to have at least one scum... I guess I forgot about that clause, because it makes PoE/grouping easier and that's my faaaaavorite way to scumhunt.

That other group just all look really scummy when I look at their names. I couldn't tell you

why

my gut reaction is "scummy"... maybe it's that I haven't had much interaction with them or something, but yeah. Also, is Peregrine actually in this game? I seriously blanked on that. >_>; I know, I'm bad, I'm lazy. But this is about the sweet spot in the game where I finally get into the rhythm and hit my stride.

reck and i are good people i promise

i always have something of value to say in the other shift... I'm currently starring in a production right now so ill be busy for 2/3 more days :\

He must be. You're not even interested in a survival vote on him.

Vote: Hiplop

i have reasons to say that.

and reck claimed confirmable townie at the beginning of the game

[Infinite Jesters]

Is that what?

Venmar was clearing himself with his work.

I think scum has given up on killing me and IJ

(whom is lock town from my point of view)

The goat wagon is the most disgusting wagon ever witnessed, goat is a scummy fuck but jesus, look at the people voting him.

I'll be in meetings all day and only able to use the phone.

read this statement like 5 million times and then come back and tell me why you are not voting ika

[Infinite Jesters]

because of reasons i dont think you can be telling the truth zoraster. basically conf scum?

Gah this is ridiculous. Why isn't zoraster dead?

VOTE: zoraster

Based on the new claims, I think this clears hiplop.

I kind of think it does too.

I have disagreed with nacho's suspicion on him all along that is 1 of the reasons I keep moving our vote.

plz explain why you see ika as town tho cos I am really not getting why any1 would think that thing is town.

[Infinite Jesters]

CAN WE ALL PLZ JUST LYNCH FREAKING ALREADY

HERE LET ME HELP YOU

VOTE: ika

[Infinite Jesters]

so i think the goat case is simply bad and that he's town
cant see how hiplop is "cleared"
and will join the ika wagon until further notice

vote ika

not happy

why are you not happy jordan?

I am less than thrilled with the goat wagon cos I think mastina is right, goat person was the first to post out of their timeline and you know who immediately followed it scumserene that is who after it was said that it was a towntell.

hiplock

seems

cleared from the way in which he soft cced zoraster.

[Infinite Jesters]

The Goat (6) - xRECKONERx, goodmorning, Aronis, ika, hiplop, PeregrineV

all of the scum from the opposite shift are on this wagon. haven't decided if they're bussing goat or not.

[Infinite Jesters]

i forgot the goat got moved over here, he's probably the designated mislynch

{mrzepher, reck, goodmorning, ika}

[Infinite Jesters]

i like

reck

more aswell now that

jordan

explained that he missread his role.

I am fine with a

ika

lynch, i would be more fine with a

goodmorning

lynch.

I might be down with a gm lynch but I am hot and heavy for an ika 1.

serene did everything but practically announce in broad neon letters that they were scum and I don't like how ika kept tying to steer the lynch off of them. you did too, but you have given me enough to make me want to leave you alone and mebbe we can work together or something.

I haven't liked gm for awhile. nacho thinks ika is town for saying, "I am vt!" under no pressure and I disagree. nacho keeps comparing olympians to this game despite desp and I screaming "look at the isaac game!".

I STILL think reck might be scum and it makes me sad especially since we have yet to be on the same shift where we can talk IRL and potentially work things out if he is town. reck is a solid unsure leaning scum.

I am not going to be down with a goat lynch despite him ignoring me. mastina had him as town and I am leaning that way too.

in case anybody has forgotten my scum/unsure pile: ika, gm, aronis and there has to be 1 loud scum in there I am thinking. they might not

all

be scum but there is scum in there somewhere and I wanna start with ika but I will settle for gm or aronis.

this is not town aronis, aronis replaced into a game in a slot that I was pretty sure was town and he was pretty dead on with his reads and I AM SEEING NONE OF THAT HERE.

[Infinite Jesters]

your thoughts on...life, the universe and everything.

mebbe you could say something about your reads and the gamestate as well.

[Infinite Jesters]

@ goat: but we already know that all of the scum from the other shift are already voting you. so lynching you for "information" is fucking retarded.

[Infinite Jesters]

we still want ika but will compromise on gm if we have to. the "there are only 2 scum left because venmar said so" thing was horrifically scummy, especially when she's still pushing the scum-in-the-lovers angle. if she really thought this...why isn't she actually trying to lynch us? there's support for lynching the lovers and from her point of view, doing that would result in a town win via white flag.

really this whole post is scummy as balls

if this is your "town gusto," sven, i think you need to go your flail-o-meter fixed; it's broken.

[Infinite Jesters]

@ 14.5: why can't we just kill ika then?

@ sven: gm and ika are scum together.

[Infinite Jesters]

i had the same thought but there are only 2 scum on the other shift and it's either ika/gm or reck/hiplop.

[Infinite Jesters]

actually ika/aronis works too

[Infinite Jesters]

so now i'm back to just wanting to kill ika

[Infinite Jesters]

I dont have any comments on him. I have comments on why to not vote

ika

and

goodmorning

.

yeah, no, ika needs to be lynched.

you lost a fuckton of town points with the goat push.

"In post 2681, ika wrote: Reck if its not too late can you bring brian and stal over here? he can vig someone out of the small lynch pool after one of us flips."

like srsly why is this thing allowed to live.

VOTE: ikea a million times over

[Infinite Jesters]

I dont have any comments on him. I have comments on why to not vote

ika

and

goodmorning

.

which are as about as dumb as your arguments for not voting serene.

this is why I default to that you are scum. somehow someway peeps are rationalising that ika's post to reck about moving players to a proper setting for what he is trying push here are from a town mindset when HE IS TALKING ABOUT MOVING OTHER PLAYERS.

it is like trying to explain the colour GREEN here.

VOTE: ika, plz, lets do this now

gm's post about how there are 4 scum looks horrible cos of the whiteflag mechanic not to mention the division of play from only 1 half of the game that was able to post at the time.

cos from a balance perspective that would be horrible for scum, I am thinking 6.

gm is not retarded. <---- this is the basis of my current argument since I know she gm's.

[Infinite Jesters]

Seriously IJ, an Ika lynch isn't possible because no one from the other shift is voting her.[/vote]

okay, i haven't done the numbers. do you think the other shift is scum heavy? cos that is what desp thinks.

The only way we are getting an Ika lynch through today is if she is town.

this is where you lose me. cos I REALLY THINK ika is scum. are you reading anything that we are saying?

And if she's town then it defeats the purpose of lynching her...

gun to head do you think ika is town. <--- this is wat I am asking.

cos if not then plz state it if you don't think he is a viable lynch candidate other than the other shift not voting for him.

[Infinite Jesters]

Seriously IJ, an Ika lynch isn't possible because no one from the other shift is voting her.

okay, i haven't done the numbers. do you think the other shift is scum heavy? cos that is what desp thinks.

The only way we are getting an Ika lynch through today is if she is town.

this is where you lose me. cos I REALLY THINK ika is scum. are you reading anything that we are saying?

And if she's town then it defeats the purpose of lynching her...

gun to head do you think ika is town. <--- this is wat I am asking.

cos if not then plz state it why you don't think he is a viable lynch candidate other than the other shift not voting for him.

[Infinite Jesters]

No I don't think you're reading what I'm saying. It's 8 to lynch. We have 8 in our shift. If Ika is scum she isn't getting lynched. Someone will "miss" the chance to lynch her, or oppose it, or something. I'd love an Ika lynch, but it's just not possible. There is no incentive for the scum(s) in our shift to go through with a lynch on their scumbuddy. I'm of the opinion we have at least 4 scum left if not more. This is white flag, which means it's mountainous. An Ika scum-lynch isn't possible because either A) Scum buddies won't cooperate in crunch time or B) Ika happens to be town. The fact that no one from the other shift is voting Ika means it will never be a viable scum-lynch option. I don't need another reason than that. I don't see why you are having difficulty to understand this easy concept. What is the benefit for the remaining scum on this shift to push through a scum-lynch they can easily avoid? That is what I am asking you. Why would the scum in this shift lynch ikascum?

is your vote on gm

cos the argument you have presented here could easily apply to gm whom people seem to be compromising on.

even tho I think gm is the lowest thing to slither out of a drainage pipe.

I tried to look back and look at a recent vc BUT THERE ISN"T 1.

there is scum in our shift, period. the game rules state that. by your logic scum will not want to bus ika cos they have no reason to do so and we need the other shift to organise a lynch. so why would scum bus gm instead?

[Infinite Jesters]

jesters, goat, brian, zepher, jordan (already voted ika), zdenek (says ika is scummy), sven (will fucking listen to us, you

that's 8

so why are we arguing about ika not being lynchable again?

[Infinite Jesters]

the only thing stopping us from lynching ika is sven's stubbornness

[Infinite Jesters]

also 14.5, your willingness to vote gm with the aronis/ika/hiplop/reck foursome that have tried to leave gm and goat as the possibly lynchs and almost certainly contains multiple scum while espousing the fact that scum have no reason to bus is really really really bizarre

can you walk me through it some more?

[Infinite Jesters]

unvote
vote: goodmorning

[Infinite Jesters]

why can't brian just vig ika

I mean he has him down as scum.

[Infinite Jesters]

We can hit Ika tomorrow if need be.

This is the exact situation we should have avoided, and why I was originally voting ika.

literally just setting up a lynch tomorrow.

how are you missing that there is a vig that claims he is still in play.

do you not think brian is a vig?

[Infinite Jesters]

Who was posting out of shift THIS time? There's really no excuse for it at this point, and it's getting to the point where it looks like to me people are trying to townslip by doing so.

or

or

maybe whoever it was didn't realize their shift had been adjusted?

[Infinite Jesters]

unvote
vote: ika

[Infinite Jesters]

hi

who is scum?

[Infinite Jesters]

Go home.

[Infinite Jesters]

Go home.

[Infinite Jesters]

dryfit??????

come ON brian

that was like the fourth best lurker kill.

@ 14.5: how many fucking scum do you think were on our shift at that time? because we thought there were two maximum and most likely just one (with the other 3 chilling out doing nothing and getting away with it on the other, shittier shift)

[Infinite Jesters]

This is not your shift. Go home.

[Infinite Jesters]

Go home.

[Infinite Jesters]

Go home.

[Infinite Jesters]

why didn't anyone get moved here?

unvote
vote: aronis

mollie and i synced and we agree that this is the best bet for scum, followed closely by peregrine, followed by 2 of {14.5, ika, zepher, goat}.

sven, zdenek, jordan, brian are town.

[Infinite Jesters]

why didn't anyone get moved here?

unvote
vote: aronis

mollie and i synced and we agree that this is the best bet for scum, followed closely by peregrine, followed by 2 of {14.5, ika, zepher, goat}.

sven, zdenek, jordan, brian are town.

mollie disagrees about perv. I think he is town.

and I agree with jordan that 14.5 wanting to lynch us after we were silenced and on a different shift and couldn't fight back looks skeevy as fuck. I mean we are like cleared town now.

as if the exchanges with serene didn't make that obv.

I 4 1 do not buy that aronis is this lost. at all.

[Infinite Jesters]

show your work on that POE cuz i ain't getting it.

[Infinite Jesters]

the current shifts also are blatantly against the rules so maybe you should cool it on that?

[Infinite Jesters]

no, they aren't: there are 12 alive and the shifts are uneven. this is explicitly against the rules and there should be another player on our shift.

[Infinite Jesters]

Shifts will always be the same size, or as close as possible (when there is an odd number of players alive).

unless i'm misinterpreting this then the shifts were required to be evened out to 6-6 but they weren't.

@mod: according to this rule our shifts should be 6-6, not 5-7. correct?

[Infinite Jesters]

@mod: according to this rule our shifts should be 6-6, not 5-7. correct

[Infinite Jesters]

that caveat isn't stated in the rules and while i can't be fucked to go back and look i'm pretty sure shifts have been adjusted on the fly mid-episode before soooooo

pedit: i'm not disputing that and i don't know why you said that the first time

[Infinite Jesters]

assuming these shifts are somehow legitimate yes

and it's you or goat

[Infinite Jesters]

nope it's actually the same apathy that led to the BnB lynch

ahem

*gofuckyourself*

we had nothing to do with the bnb lynch so take your rhetoric elsewhere please

[Infinite Jesters]

also i would absolutely allow someone else who had the interactions that we did with serene to claim they were conftown

i would also be all for a lover of sven to combat that notion that we must lynch the lovers to "control the numbers" by countering that the white flag mechanic renders a scum lover irrelevant

but please continue crying wolf or whatever it is you're doing right now

[Infinite Jesters]

Yes, yes, cause my really hard push to do so and all my votes say that I want to lynch you so very badly. Are we even in the same game? Who am I voting? Because it isn't you, and it isn't Sven. I agree with Peregrine's thoughts about controlling the numbers. I know that one of you/Zed/Goat is scum. I don't understand what is so fucking hard to understand and scummy about that thought process. Pleas please please tell me where I am losing you on this. Your argument of "lol it's white flag we don't need to get rid of us ever" is a piss-poor argument. Hypothetically you think your town-slot is more valuable than Sven's scum-slot? What if I was Sven's lover instead? Would you let me for even a second try to float that argument?

so I just wanna get this straight.

you think we bussed serene hardcore, fakeclaimed lovers with sven I mean the claim is legit sven isn't disputing it and then silenced ourselves to accomplish...what exactly? I mean my scum game is pretty retarded but not THAT RETARDED.

either 1 of sven and us are scum or we are both town and then is what I am leaning on. so you wanted to lynch lovers at the price of losing 1 possible town but more than likely 2?

and you being the only protown voice? lol

desp can you get on gchat real quick?

[Infinite Jesters]

WHERE HAVE I TRIED TO LEAD YOUR LYNCH? WHERE? SHOW ME? SHOW MY VOTES SHOW MY RALLYING! Why are you trying to paint me into a position I am so very clearly not taking?

What don't you understand? I have not led any vote charge on you, I have not voted you, I haven't done anything except point out that I see where PV is coming from. I don't doubt the lovers claim is real. Why are you even trying to say that I am doubting that? But let's not pretend that you're incapable of bussing a partner. What you need to understand is you are not and will never be confirmed town to me, and one of you being scum is more important than the other player being town. You have been all about self-preservation since the lover's claim and that bugs the heck out of me with claims of "we would never out ourselves as scum...we don't need to lynch us even if Sven is scum". Neither of these are protown. Why can't this game be the exception where you out yourself as lovers? Why are you as town more important then dead-scum-Sven?

You seem to have this complete lack of awareness to anyone else's PoV. You can disagree with the 'control the numbers' thing, but you can't be dense and not understand it. You for some reason couldn't understand why lynching from our shift is better. You can't see that I have been trying to get you to understand where I am coming from. No, everything is an attack on you apparently despite me not voting you, not rallying others to vote for you, and not seriously entertaining your lynch atm when I think there are better lynches on the table. What part of any of that don't you understand? I am so incredibly frustrated with your selfish play, and your inability to understand what is going on.

wait a minute I might be confusing you with perv. now I see why desp says perv is scum cos we have sven as strong town right now and lynching us is a bad idea you would be down 2 town.

and I was NOT apathetic during the birdly beast lynch I thought it was the dumbest thing I have ever seen in a game, lynching a claimed lyncher's target. serene shld have been lynched the freaking SECOND they claimed a lyncher and that is what I pushed for.

don't spaz out on me, like I said I think i got you confused with perv.

we were

silenced

can you think about that for 5 seconds?

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we won't be holding our breath

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@ 14.5: aronis read?

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@ brian: just because you're silenced doesn't mean you can't vote. aronis?

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@ zdenek: i've had you as town but you've done approximately fuck and all recently. wake up.

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hi sleepy

i suggest you take a look at the work ika did to identify shifts that must contain one scum. we still have a decent cushion (worst case scenario it's 8v4, more likely 9v3 imo) and it'd be an easy way to ease yourself into the game.

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vote: aronis

that no lynch was fucking awful and aronis was the worst of the bunch.

peregrine and zepher are both scum too

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He wasn't the only player that caused the mislynch. It's pretty obvious to me that Zeph is scum, I think if he was town it would have been easier to lynch him. It's been way too difficult.

aronis thought zepher was scum but unvoted to vote sven and didn't come back to hammer zepher even though he said this:

Well Zepher, you're lucky. It looks like the town has decided to be inactive and not lynch on time.

and was active elsewhere on site all day wednesday.

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Yes, there has to be at least one scum among the 4 of us. My order is Skrew->IJ-> Goat from there. Then in the group Ika had, (Ika, hiplop, Peregrine, Aronis) also has to have at least one scum.

why is aronis last?

I mean do you really have aronis as a townread? if so why?

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can I post now?

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I texted desp to see if we can full out now!

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Actually I'm pretty sure sven is silenced, which make's Aronis' vote look really bad.

lynch me or whatever, but lynch either Aronis or 14.5 tomorrow.
Zdenek or Goat are also good places to look.

pv is town.

Don't they say when people are silenced? And they didn't?

@ aronis: you had an opportunity to hammer zepher (who you thought was scum and had voted the previous irl day) and avoid the nl yesterday but you didn't. why?