Newbie 1368 - Will there ever be a title? (GAME OVER)
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Hi everyone,
Since I wasn't in the original game, I think I need to introduce myself.
I'm homer. I played this game before (off site) and this is my second game here (the first one is still ongoing after I was NK, so I think we're not allowed to talk about it).
VOTE: Syryana
Because he changed his vote too quickly.-
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You are quite right. I hate lurking.
Here's my thoughts at this point:
Syryana - He was the second one to vote Grimgroove, and then, right after the third vote to Grimgroove, he pulled his vote and moved it to somene else. Is it because Syryana and Grimgroove are scums? Did Syryana wanted his first vote to be on his scum-pal and then, when he saw a wagon coming he decided it was too risky?
Grimgroove - His RVS was Candillan. He then started a very stupid "yes vs. yup" discussion. If my theory is right, it could be planned by those two in advance.
Candillan - He points out in post 33 howSyryana's explainingGrimgrooveis a scum and then votingCrandis odd. I think it's another evidence of Syryana and Grimgroove both being scums. I hope I'm not tunneling here. Anyway, to me Candillan lean town right now.
Crandaja - Votes to Ravenpaw in the RVS stage and then unvotes him. I don't have a read on him yet.
LnGrrrR, Ravenpaw, RachMarie, shaboostein - Didn't say much. I have no clue.
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It's not the actual jumpiness, it's the timing. Here you did it right after he got his third vote. Before the reroll you just jumped from one to another (at least in the first three pages that I skimmed over there).In post 67, Syryana wrote:
This isn't the first time someone's scum-read me for having a jumpy vote. If you want, feel free to look at what happened in this game before the reroll; you can see the same behaviors there.In post 64, homertve wrote:Syryana - He was the second one to vote Grimgroove, and then, right after the third vote to Grimgroove, he pulled his vote and moved it to somene else. Is it because Syryana and Grimgroove are scums? Did Syryana wanted his first vote to be on his scum-pal and then, when he saw a wagon coming he decided it was too risky?
The argue itself doesn't sound planned, but you could plan that you'll argue about something without planning the details.In post 67, Syryana wrote:
You have a theory: Grim and I are scum together. However, in reference to this point, you are making the evidence fit the case, rather than making the case fit the evidence. I agree with you that the "yes vs. yup" argument was extremely stupid, but does the exchange between Grim and myself sound forced and planned? What about that exchange makes you think he and I are scum together?In post 64, homertve wrote:Grimgroove - His RVS was Candillan. He then started a very stupid "yes vs. yup" discussion. If my theory is right, it could be planned by those two in advance.
I don't know why he's leaning town on you. Maybe he needs to answer to that question.In post 67, Syryana wrote:
You are leaning town on Candillan because he pointed out the oddity in my post. Yet in the same post, he says he's leaning town on me for it. Why do you think that is? Also, did you see my reasoning near the bottom of that post as to why I'm voting Crand over Grim?In post 64, homertve wrote:Candillan - He points out in post 33 howSyryana's explainingGrimgrooveis a scum and then votingCrandis odd. I think it's another evidence of Syryana and Grimgroove both being scums. I hope I'm not tunneling here. Anyway, to me Candillan lean town right now.
No, I didn't see any reasoning for that. Can you elaborate?In post 67, Syryana wrote:Also, did you see my reasoning near the bottom of that post as to why I'm voting Crand over Grim?-
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Call it a hunch.In post 70, Grimgroove wrote:
Then how is our argument different from any other argument that's been had here? Why do you get the impression our argument is planned and others are not?In post 69, homertve wrote:
The argue itself doesn't sound planned, but you could plan that you'll argue about something without planning the details.In post 67, Syryana wrote:
You have a theory: Grim and I are scum together. However, in reference to this point, you are making the evidence fit the case, rather than making the case fit the evidence. I agree with you that the "yes vs. yup" argument was extremely stupid, but does the exchange between Grim and myself sound forced and planned? What about that exchange makes you think he and I are scum together?In post 64, homertve wrote:Grimgroove - His RVS was Candillan. He then started a very stupid "yes vs. yup" discussion. If my theory is right, it could be planned by those two in advance.
However, since it's only a hunch, I feel the real issue here is that we have too many silent (or near silent) players, so I'm thinking we should force them to come out from their hideouts. What do you say?
Syryana - Oh, wait, did you mean that in 32 you were referring to Cran in the last paragraph? I thought you were still talking about Grimgroove!-
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Do you think I need to do it? Will it give me any information about this game?In post 74, LnGrrrR wrote:Homer, are you planning on reading the other game?-
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Cran,
I think Candillan leans town. His posts seems like he's trying to scumhunt and I have a good feeling about him. Grim and Syryana - as I said earlier I have a feeling they are scum, but after some more posts from them I'm not so sure about that anymore. I don't have a read on you yet, and I do want to know what do you think about these players.
Ravenpaw, why did you unvote Cran?
All the rest - if you don't start posting (and by "posting" I mean "posts with some content"), I'm afraid I'll have to switch my vote to one of you. Right now a wagon on shaboo seems useless cause he has a good chance to be replaced (I think), so I'll have to target another silent player.-
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Yeah, I asked the original question. "I don't find him scummy anymore" is not a real answer.
Who are your three scumreads now?In post 152, Grimgroove wrote:You calling me out? You're in my top 3 scumreads now, so first reason why I didn't vote you is because there are alternatives. It's not as if I'm not voting.-
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I like the way Grim analyzes things. It gets him some town points in my view (BTW, Syryana, where's the scumslip in Grim's post? I can't find it). However, I didn't understand this part:
I think the "of course" part is just a reference to a previous post, in which he said this:In post 203, Grimgroove wrote:I find the "of course" part in Candillan calling Homer and Syryana town odd. There's very little that is evident about the statement, unless speaking from the perspective of scum knowing who's town.
Not calling this a slip myself, but I could imagine Syryana's talking about this?
Rach, I'm still waiting for an answer to the question I asked you in 136.In post 118, Candillan wrote:I am seriously trying to gather reads, but I've been terrible at it this time around. I do seriously see Homer and Syryana as townie, though. I was leaning town on you, but your jumping on this case is making me doubt that somewhat. It seems a wee bit too convenient.
Also, if you really saw this as being so scummy, why aren't you voting me?
imkingdavid and mkfuba07, welcome! As soon as you catch up, I want to here your thoughts on the game so far.-
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Why is it a bad argument? He's right. The chances to that
areslim.
What's so fascinating? I feel the same way about her.In post 236, Grimgroove wrote:
Fascinating.In post 234, Syryana wrote:
I forgot to answer this. Answer: I dunno, she's being a lurky-pants.In post 230, Grimgroove wrote:How do you read Ravenpaw?-
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I don't know. I think Rach needs a pord.In post 237, Grimgroove wrote:Where did the other people go?-
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A. HeIn post 241, Grimgroove wrote:The chance to that is just as slim as any other scumpair. Yet there is a scumpair out there, that's a fact. And that existing pair has just the same odds of happening as me and Candillan being scum together again.istalking about you and him being scumpair again.
B. He's talking about it in a "twice in row" context.Thosechances are, indeed, slim.-
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What doIn post 241, Grimgroove wrote:I feel there's more to be said about her besides the lurking. Her reaction to the Crand story. Her non-buddying to Candillan. The reason why I chose this choice of words is that it's also telling how Syryana intends to tunnel on both me and Candillan right now. I don't find that pro-town, and thus, fascinating.youthink about all that?-
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Well, it is a slip, although I can't be sure he is, in fact, a scum. If I were in his place, I might slip the same way myself.
About your second question: Actualy, that post seemed very weird to me, because it looks like this:
So it's seems as though you were talking about yourself. I went and read the op again (216) and understood the whole thing. You are quite right. It's very interesting.In post 223, Grimgroove wrote:
Scumslip?In post 222, Syryana wrote:In post 216, Grimgroove wrote:Also, Grim is very good at appearing reasonable and logical as either alignment.
How would you know? You only knew me as scum in the previous game, and now you're supposedly assuming I'm scum as well.
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Very interesting observation.In post 255, Grimgroove wrote:I'd also like to make yet another additional point on Candillan's supposed scumslip.
What everyone is doing, both town and scum, is somehow conveying the message that they're town, in between the lines. Some are more blunt and state it directly, but that would be showing a certain eagerness to show that you're town that is not appreciated by everone.
Fate has it that this happened in this very topic, on the first page. Candillan stated in caps that he's town this time. Syryana changed his RVS vote (let's assume re-RVS) and said Candillan was too eager to show he's town. Granted, it was a possible RVS and therefore not necessarily a serious motivation, but it could be taken as one. I myself don't find the simple statement "I'm town" convincing at all, and in fact think it has a more scummy aura around it.
Anyway, moving to the "scumslip". Candillan said "I was town that game", Syryana would have preferred "I was town that game, too".
Given the RVS argument, I can easily see Syryana use the wording he supposedly preferred against Candillan just as easily, by saying he's too eager in emphasizing he's town in this game.
This wasn't a scumslip. This was simply Candillan not being over-eager to state he's town (for a change).
Given Syryana used both arguments (though yes, once he used it in RVS), it seems like he's betting on any horse that could get Candillan lynched, even if they're running in opposite directions.
Me too.In post 256, Grimgroove wrote: Liking imkingdavid's entry post.-
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Why do you think it's "the scummiest post in the game"? I think at this point you are trying to deflect us from your scumslip to other's supposed scumslips.In post 270, Syryana wrote:My point here is, though you have made a few mentions of what you find scummy in Candillan, you have made no move to push his wagon or pursue that read. It is especially noticeable when Candillan makes what is (in my opinion)the scummiest post in the game, #199, you don't even glance at it twice, instead concentrating on me pretty much to exclusion of all else until I directly ask you to look at it. That's why I feel your scumread on Candillan is not genuine.
I liked the way David analyzed things. I think your 289 is you trying to cover your not-so-honest mistakes and I don't think you are a "dumb" or "idiot". I think you're just a scum.
What is it with all these replacements requests in this game? Is it normal?-
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Can you explain again why do you think it confirms him as town? I reread that part in your post and couldn't understand the jump from "it doesn't prove he's a scum" to "it proves he's town".In post 291, imkingdavid wrote:So I'll ask for the opinion of others... does this actually prove Grim is confirmed town or am I missing something?-
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Maybe at that point he didn't think about it and only afterwards he figured out that what he said was suicidal. What you are saying is reasonable and by now you and me both think he's town (Occam's razor?), But from that to a complete conftown there's a long way (well, maybe not that long. But it is a way).In post 295, imkingdavid wrote:By that logic, it makes sense to me to assume that if he was scum he would not have tried to point out Crand's original "scum tell" (the whole "darling" thing). If he would not have done that as scum, I find it easy to make the logical leap that because he did it, he probably isn't scum. After all, I can find no scum motive behind doing it, and as is stated in my quote, doing it as scum would be suicidal.-
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Can you elaborate on that? I don't understand why do you think they can't both be scums?In post 302, Grimgroove wrote:My dilemma is of course I know with an almost 100 percent certainty that one of my two reads so far has to be wrong, because I can't see Syryana and Candillan being in one scumteam. But I find arguments against both compelling enough to have them in my scumreads regardless.
First, you mean "if", not "when".In post 304, Syryana wrote:When I flip town, who will be your scumreads?
Second - Well, I do have other suspects as I already said before and there are other players to consider, such as shaboostein / mkfuba07, or rach, that didn't answer to what I asked her on 136 for example. Also, she almost didn't say anything about anyone except david.
Woah, that's a total 180 from your mega-post. I have to think about that for awhile.In post 315, Grimgroove wrote:I somehow find Syryana's defense strangely convincing, despite the lack of actual arguments. It just sounds very genuine. Not really sure what to make of that.-
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Well, I can't remember exactly their interaction. When I'll have some time, I'll try to read that again.In post 323, Grimgroove wrote:
I think given the way they have acted towards each other it's quite difficult to defend the idea they're in a scumteam together. They put up quite a row among the two of them that went far beyond possible bussing. Let me know if you disagree and why.In post 320, homertve wrote:
Can you elaborate on that? I don't understand why do you think they can't both be scums?In post 302, Grimgroove wrote:My dilemma is of course I know with an almost 100 percent certainty that one of my two reads so far has to be wrong, because I can't see Syryana and Candillan being in one scumteam. But I find arguments against both compelling enough to have them in my scumreads regardless.-
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I have a good feeling about him. I can't explain exactly why, but I did like the things he said back on 186 about the yes/yep debate. Right now he is in my "possibly-town" pile.In post 325, Grimgroove wrote:@homertve, what are your thoughts on LnGrrrR?-
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Ok, I think you are referring to the "I was town that game" scumslip, right, Grim?
Well, I can see how they both scum, and one of them (Syryana) is trying to buss(*) the other one (Candillan). It wasn't a great attack to begin with ("I was town that game" as opposed to "I was town that game too") and he did thought at that time he caught you in another scumslip, so he would have the chance to divert his vote to you. I'm not saying they both have to be scum together, but IMO it is a possibility. Is it too far fetched?
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I had to think about your question for awhile. I've come to realize that IIn post 358, Syryana wrote:Who are your "other suspects" and why? I'm assuming you are not including {shaboo/mkfuba, Rach} in the list given the structure of the sentence.hadsome suspects before, but now I can't be sure. At the beginning of this game I thought you and Grim are scums, but now I don't think Grim is your scumbody. I didn't like some of Crandaja's statements, but his successor (David) seems town to me right now. At some point, I had my suspicion about candi, but after rereading some of the things I didn't like and his recent posts I don't think that anymore.
Basically, there are only three players I have some concerns about them.
1. You.
2. Ravenpaw's slot. She wasn't involve in the game and when she did post, she did it perfunctory (155, for example). She did asked to be replaced and I guess she doesn't have time for this game and maybe it's the reason her answers where so insufficient, but her replacement didn't say much either so far.
3. Rach. She doesn't say almost anything. She doesn't answer to any of the questions that she's been asked over and over. She doesn't share any of her reads. She isn't scum hunting at all.
Good point, although I guess in this game things can change in a heartbeat, right?In post 358, Syryana wrote:I ask you this: Assuming I am scum and Candillan is my partner, why would I attempt to bus him on Day 1, particularly when he's not in any particular danger of being lynched?-
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As I said in my 252, I think Syr's scumslip is pretty convincing, while his explanation isn't. He said that "Grim is very good at appearing reasonable and logical as either alignment" while he only saw him playing as scum. It seems like he's a scum knowing for a fact that Grim is town this time. That's why he's my main suspect at this time.In post 398, imkingdavid wrote:homer - Can you re-explain your reasons for voting Syr? Just from skimming your iso, you vote Syr during RVS and never change it until just now when you voted Rach and then moved it back to Syr.
Also, you name your top three as Rach (for active lurking), Raven (for lurking), and Syr (I don't see reasons in my skim but I may have missed them). What are your thoughts on a Candi lynch?
Also, as I said on 366, at this time I don't think Candi is a scum and I think we shouldn't lynch him today. Would you consider a lynch on Syr?
Can you explain to me that case and why do you think it's a good one?In post 400, Grimgroove wrote:I like Candillan's case on LnGrrrR
Something in this sentence gives me a bad feeling. Shouldn't we go for a "good" lynch rather than an "interesting" one?In post 400, Grimgroove wrote:If you ask me which lynch would be the most interesting, I'd say it would have to be among the Candillan-LnGrrrR duo.
I think I need to ISO both of them more carefully for that, yet I don't have time to do it today. I will however try to do it as soon as possible.In post 400, Grimgroove wrote:I'd like to ask everyone to give their opinion on Candillan and LnGrrrR specifically at this stage.-
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I reread the "Candillan vs. LnGrrrR (and vice-versa)" thing and the more I think about it, it seems to me like a case of two towns tunneling each other. I can't explain exactly why. They both have "cases" on each other, but they both seem to climb on a tall tree, which they can't (or won't, if one of them is actually scum) climb down from. It doesn't seem to me like a master plan of a scum trying to mislynch the other (but I could be wrong). However, if I have to choose between the two of them, I'd say LnGrrrR seems to me more calculated and dispassionate, which in my eyes seems less townie as Can's behaviour (which is somehow desperate), but again, I think there are more chances they both town.
Well, he isn't back. He just dropped by to say hello and vanished again.In post 410, RachMarie wrote:Good to see Bane getting back into the game.-
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For the record, I didn't think you are scum, so there was no need for that role claim.In post 423, LnGrrrR wrote:If you all have me as scum Im obviously not doing the job I should be as town, so Id at least like to help in some way.-
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Some crazy hour
Well, it sounds to me like three people not understanding each other. Or perhaps, if my theory about Syryana being a cum is correct, like two confused people (you and LnGrrrR) with one motivated scum trying to make you want to lynch the other one.
Grim, at this point we are in a not-so-happy crossroad: Two (three?) nonactive slots, only two days before DL, and with your trip, we can make a terrible mistake and lynch an innocent townie. Since at this time we both think (at least I do) each other to be town, I think we need to work together, at least until the end of this day, to choose wisely.
Earlier, I said I have three suspects: Syryana, Ravenpaw's / Bane's slot, Rach. Since Rach did told us her reads (finally), and lynching Bane's slot will give us nothing, I suggest you would at least consider voting Syryana. David already said he would go for this lynch. What do you say? I know he was on your scum pile, at least before this:
So, what do you say?In post 315, Grimgroove wrote:I somehow find Syryana's defense strangely convincing, despite the lack of actual arguments. It just sounds very genuine.-
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My previous post was regarding this:In post 451, Grimgroove wrote:What do you think about the events on page 18?-
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This is exactly why I think we can get nothing by trying to learn anything from the events of page 18.In post 439, Syryana wrote:I'm not exactly thinking the straightest in the world right now teehee-
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I think his behaviour wasn't scummy at any point of this day and I really liked this post:
It feels like a player who's trying to read people.In post 186, LnGrrrR wrote:Besides the yep vs yes argument, which felt extremely forced and somewhat scummy, Grim has been acting in a very townie way for the reasons listed above. (I'm willing to accept Grims yes vs yep argument as non-scummy because a) I believed him when he stated he felt like there was a legitimate difference between the two; the explanation didnt feel forced even if the original "gotcha" was, and b) he pointed out last game that he started a semi-dumb conversation to get out of RVS (the "color" thing with Rach) which mirrors the forced arguments in this game early.)-
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LnG, personally, I do not suspect you at this moment, but it seems other players here wants to hear your defense, which you didn't provide yet.In post 462, imkingdavid wrote:What I am about to do, I do not because I particularly suspect LnG, but because we need a lynch, and if I don't do this, I don't see how we're going to get a lynch. I am going to put him at L-1 and I expect no one to hammer until either 1) he provides his defense and we have some time to talk about it, or 2) we get too close to deadline for it to matter if he says anything.
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Syr -
1. Up until this moment (with your post) I didn't think I was tunnelling you. You are right, that's exactly what I'm doing, and your post did give me my doubts about you. I'm starting to understand Grim's feelings about you being genuine. I hope I'm not making a mistake about these new feelings about you.
2. For now, and since I want to think about it a little longer -
UNVOTE: Syr
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I really don't know.In post 592, Syryana wrote:What do you think of Rach now?
I said I wanted to think about it a little longer, and I did. Here are my thoughts.
We don't have much time. We need to decide between these options:
1. Lynch LnGrrrR.
2. Lynch Syryana.
3. Lynch Candillan.
4. Try another wagon.
Options 1 and 2:
Both LnG and Syr claimed themselves to be VT. Lynching either of them will give us at least something to work with tomorrow. I know I said before that Syr leans scum, but I'm not so sure about it now, whereas my feelings about LnG is quite null at this time. Either way, if Candi is our Doc, he'll probably get NK.
Option 3:
If he's the doc, he'll be dead either way. If we lynch him we'll give the scum a different target, and maybe they'll get lucky and NK another PR. That's not good.
Option 4:
There have been three claims already. It gives too much information to the scums. I don't think it's a good idea to do that.
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If you had asked me that three hours ago, my answer was Syr. Now I really can't say. I want to hear other people on that subject.In post 595, RachMarie wrote:Who do you think is the scummiest?-
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Syr, I disagree with you on that. Now, maybe it's because I'm new here (this is only my second game here), but if we have a JK in this game, and he would jail Candy, last night kill was prevented and our doctor was still alive. I understand what you are saying, but the bottom line of that is that if he would jail Candy we were in a better place right now, wouldn't we?In post 604, Syryana wrote:It would be pretty dumb to jail you even if there is a JK. Jailing you might save your life, but it makes you basically useless as jail is a roleblock. Better to try to jail the killer IMO.-
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"the scum knows the JK is likely to jail him again the following night" - why? I didn't say "jail candy on night 2 as well". It's not wise to doIn post 656, Syryana wrote:Here's the thing though. Let's assume the JK jails Candi, and the scum attempts to kill Candi. Candi remains alive today. However, Candi is unable to use protection (hohoho) and the scum knows the JK is likely to jail him again the following night, giving scum free reign for other kills while the Doctor remains useless(thanks to the jail) and the JK is useless (due to tying up the Doc).that. Jail him only on night 1, cause that's the night he'll most likely get the NK.
What "case" do you have against me, exactly? Yesterday I said I think both candy and LnG are town. And guess what? I was right. I unvoted you not because I thought you were town all of a sudden, but because I thought it's a good idea to re-think about it. I did. I think you are scum. Therefore I'm voting you. I know I could be tunneling again, and I really hope that's not the case and that my instincts are right.
Where are the other players? I want to hear them. There are at least two (maybe three) players that shared my feelings yesterday about you being a scum. What do you think now?-
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Of course I'll "allow" that lynch to "happen". I wouldn't go for a NL beacuse that's not good for the town. The "at least something to work with" remark was just that - I wanted to here what those who were on LnG's wagon (which I wasn't one of them) will say after his lynch, and that way we can "work with"In post 659, imkingdavid wrote:Which sounds to me like he's trying to distance himself from it. Sure, he was never on the LnG wagon, but this whole "where at the people" bit following the previous bit I quoted, combined with him unvoting Syr before a lynch could be made just feels fishy to me. Feels to me like either he and Syr or scum and he's trying to distance himself without fully bussing Syr, or else he's scum with someone else and is trying to make himself sound good by distancing himself from the lynch wagon that he was at the very least in agreement with allowing to happen.thoseposts. However, nobody said anything about it yet (or at least nothing significant. No, "we learned that he's town" doesn't count).
It sounds like you are trying to justify the lynch. I (nor anybody else) wasn't accusing you that it was a bad lynch at those circumstances.In post 659, imkingdavid wrote:the only way we were going to get a lynch was to either hope that he suddenly came back and put Syr at L-1 and hope that someone else decides to hammer, or else go ahead and take the sure lynch that we ended up taking.
It's not the only problem with Day-1-Syr. The main problem with him (at least for me) is his scumslip here:In post 659, imkingdavid wrote:With that being the only problem I can remember having with Syr during Day 1In post 222, Syryana wrote:Also, Grim is very good at appearing reasonable and logical as either alignment.-
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However, I want to talk about another thing.
Day 2 began two and a half days ago. Seven of us left. While Grim, David, Syr and me were actually talking about this game, we have these three:
1. Core - Said nothing significant, or as Grim said:
2. mothrax - The only think she had to say was about the way I didn't bemoan the night kill. Again - Productivity zero.In post 636, Grimgroove wrote:
I don't like this post at all. Productivity zero.In post 633, Core_H86 wrote:ok now that we're here how was that a good end to day 1? what makes it so bad to have a no lynch?
VOTE: Core_H86
3. RachMarie - Said nothing specific about this game. Talked only about why NL on day 1 is never a good thing.
What if Syr is actually town? If two of those three are the scums, they would sit back, enjoy the mutual accusations between me and him (and the suspects David has about both of us) and continue to make posts without an actual content. I already said earlier in this game (366) that I have three suspects - Syr, mothrax and Rach. You can add Core to that list and maybe give Syr the benefit of the doubt for now.
I think I'll just
UNVOTE: Syr
VOTE: Core-
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Should be "the onlyIn post 664, homertve wrote:2. mothrax - The only think she had to say...thing", of course.-
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David, the fact I was voting Syr the whole time is merely a coincidence. I vote him in my first post here when I thought him unvoting Grim was because they were both scums. I dropped that idea after that, and simply didn't unvote him up to where he made his scumslip, and then I wanted to vote him again, and found out I actually didn't unvote him. That's all.
Syr, I would also like to know why do you think Core is town.-
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Should be "IIn post 673, homertve wrote:I vote him in my first postvotedhim", of course. Sorry.-
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Why?In post 691, Grimgroove wrote:I'm getting fairly confident again in my Syryana scumread.-
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Did I miss something?In post 696, Grimgroove wrote:Don't be lazy Homer, come on-
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Oh, wait. This?In post 685, Grimgroove wrote:Already in post 589 he had you in his town reads, never explaining why.
Seems he's trying to build up some strange connection with you. Buddying? Through reverse psychology trying to tell us he's definitely not your scumbuddy? Or try to imply that you are his scumbuddy?
Whatever it is, it is obvous there is some tactic behind him calling you town like that, and I don't like it.-
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I don't like these (sort of) posts. First of all, it's meta. One player can change his game style from one game to another, even if he had the same alignment in both of them. Secondly, I'm not going to read three full games now, so I can't (or won't) really check you on that.In post 695, RachMarie wrote:Completed games I have with Syr:
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=83&t=26894 Town, Global Watcher
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=51&t=27202 Town VT (no PRs in this setup except for the gun bearer).
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 0#p4891830 Replaces into a scum slot This link starts you on pg 60 where he replaced in.
I realize it is still a small sample, but his play in this game reminds me much more of his play when he was scum and not how he played as town.-
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Look at this:
At this point, David thinks Syr'sIn post 659, imkingdavid wrote:I still don't like Syr's tunnel vision on Grim and Candi. One can argue that Syr's complete 180 in attitude once I pointed out his error is scummy because the "I'm stupid" bit becomes an AtE, but then again, what else are you going to do in that situation at this point, whether as town or scum?
With that being the only problem I can remember having with Syr during Day 1, sure I could still potentially support his lynch, but not before taking a look at some alternatives. Such as yourself.only problemis his "180".
I replied to that on this post:
...and suddenly he doesn't think it's the only problem with syr:In post 663, homertve wrote:
It's not the only problem with Day-1-Syr. The main problem with him (at least for me) is his scumslip here:In post 659, imkingdavid wrote:With that being the only problem I can remember having with Syr during Day 1In post 222, Syryana wrote:Also, Grim is very good at appearing reasonable and logical as either alignment.
I'm not so sure what to think about it. I took some time to figure that out, so I went and read again his earlier posts in the game, and stumbled across this:In post 712, imkingdavid wrote:My suspects at this time are 1. Syr (scum slip followed by 180 degree change in attitude/tone), 2. homer (see #659), and 3. core (see #672).So, it seems that after syr's scumslip he voted him for that, although he wasn't "too pleased with" it, then (day 2, first quote of this post) he forgot all about it, and then, after I reminded him of it, syr's becomes David's no.1 suspect again, due to his "
scum slipfollowed by 180 degree..."
David, can you explain those inconsistencies?
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I remember thinking the same way. However, from their PoV, hours before the deadline, they were both voting Syr. Both Syr and Linger were on (L-2), so the only way - again from their PoV, hours before DL - the only way to get a lynch was to hammer LnG. That's why I dropped that idea.In post 719, Grimgroove wrote:What else I find strange about this "agreement" is the way it was reached: eventhough imkingdavid claims a clear preference towards lynching Syryana, the plan he suggests to RachMarie seems very contra-intutive given that stance.
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I don't like the situation we are in now:
[*] - Core didn't say a word in three days.
[*] - mothrax didn't say anything meaningful since this day began.
[*] - David is not answering my question.
[*] - Rach has a case against Syr solely for his meta.
It is quite impossible to draw conclusions as most players (four out of seven) say so little.
Grim, I agree with you, and since my vote on a player who might get replaced is not effective, I think I'll go for it.
UNVOTE: Core_H86
VOTE: RachMarie
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