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In post 25, Andresvmb wrote:angela I’m not going to lie - I find your concern for disclosure around a Vengeful role Scummy. The impact from there being a Vengeful role in the game is that the Scum can’t be certain that a coordinated hammer would end the game in what’s presumed to be ELo. Other than that, there’s no true downside for Town unless the Vengeful Town, if it exists, shoots incorrectly prior to Endgame. At Endgame, there isn’t much of a downside to shooting incorrectly since the game would’ve been lost if their role didn’t exist.
Dunno about anyone else but got a bit of a weird vibe from these two posts in sequence. Andre goes in on Angela potentially being mafia, but then very much appears to walk it back almost immediately afterwards as if wary they've perhaps gone in too heavily for such an early point in the game.In post 27, Andresvmb wrote:Having said that, I suspect you would have asked your Scum buddies these questions outside of this thread, so perhaps too brazen for Scum. I just don’t think this conversation is helpful for the Town.-
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I think Scorpious meant more that it felt a bit like a very pointed accusation for so early in the game (and thus perhaps falsified/exaggerated).In post 99, angela wrote:
hmIn post 87, Scorpious wrote:
I found it weird that post 25 and post 27 were so pointed..In post 86, MalcolmTucker wrote:In post 25, Andresvmb wrote:angela I’m not going to lie - I find your concern for disclosure around a Vengeful role Scummy. The impact from there being a Vengeful role in the game is that the Scum can’t be certain that a coordinated hammer would end the game in what’s presumed to be ELo. Other than that, there’s no true downside for Town unless the Vengeful Town, if it exists, shoots incorrectly prior to Endgame. At Endgame, there isn’t much of a downside to shooting incorrectly since the game would’ve been lost if their role didn’t exist.
Dunno about anyone else but got a bit of a weird vibe from these two posts in sequence. Andre goes in on Angela potentially being mafia, but then very much appears to walk it back almost immediately afterwards as if wary they've perhaps gone in too heavily for such an early point in the game.In post 27, Andresvmb wrote:Having said that, I suspect you would have asked your Scum buddies these questions outside of this thread, so perhaps too brazen for Scum. I just don’t think this conversation is helpful for the Town.
I don’t even know if everyone had popped in yet..
would you expect andresvmb to wait for everyone to post first?
But then throwing theories out there is part of the game so I acknowledge it could also just be town trying to shake things up.-
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Maybe feels a bit more lazy town than mafia to me though? I dunno, no meta on Rathe but I feel like most mafia players will at least want to give some justification for a fairly lazy vote early on.In post 182, Scorpious wrote:Ooh, do me next..
Love when a slots only 2 posts are naked votes..
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Okay cool, anecdotally only played with them in one game, they did exactly this and turned out to be mafia. Agreed getting rid of them turn one on this basis is a poor idea and kinda suspicions though.In post 193, KittyTacky wrote:
NM is an infamous player with a very unconventional and trollish style of play that makes him difficult to read. He doesn't straight up gamethrow or anything but he has a shtick of hammering anyone at E-1. It's often proposed to lim him early so he doesn't get in the way, but I feel it's silly to lim a null player when other players might yet make themselves scummy.In post 190, MalcolmTucker wrote:Can someone explain the immediate wave of suspicion/possible wagoning on NM? Feel like I'm missing some important meta stuff here, most of that exchange gone right over me.-
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Because we don't learn anything from it if he does this all the time, it's clearly not indicative of his alignment.In post 248, Nero Cain wrote:if you played with NM before and he did this as scum then why are you saying that its a poor idea?
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Yeah I'm not quite getting this. Do you actually think Kitty is worthy of pressure or not? Are they not already under plenty of pressure given your logic behind the vote? Why not push yourself on them if you think it's so important for that to happen?In post 251, geraintm wrote:Kittytack is getting attention because they are one of the few players willing to try and explain their reasoning, and so just easy to keep pressure on them
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In post 12, Andresvmb wrote:
Hey Pooky. I gotta say, I’m going to try and be careful with your slot.In post 9, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:sup andres
I know have a Scum game under my belt, so you can go take a look at that and compare it to my play here over time. It should be obvious what I am.In post 25, Andresvmb wrote:angela I’m not going to lie - I find your concern for disclosure around a Vengeful role Scummy. The impact from there being a Vengeful role in the game is that the Scum can’t be certain that a coordinated hammer would end the game in what’s presumed to be ELo. Other than that, there’s no true downside for Town unless the Vengeful Town, if it exists, shoots incorrectly prior to Endgame. At Endgame, there isn’t much of a downside to shooting incorrectly since the game would’ve been lost if their role didn’t exist.In post 27, Andresvmb wrote:Having said that, I suspect you would have asked your Scum buddies these questions outside of this thread, so perhaps too brazen for Scum. I just don’t think this conversation is helpful for the Town.
VOTE: AndresvmbIn post 28, Andresvmb wrote:I have rolled Town 96.2% of the time on this forum. Unbeatable.
Happy to change this in time as andre posts more going forward but I feel like this is an okay early vote for now.
Not sure how other people feel, but these posts come across as a bit desperate to come across as helpful townie for me.
Like I said before the initial accusation on Angela before the quick and sudden rollback in the next post hinted at some uncertainty for me, as if Andre was wary they'd gone in too hard. Then followed up after that by a joke to try and diffuse the situation.-
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As I said it's still early game and I'm more than happy to change my mind - but it kinda just interested me and gave me an early mafia vibe, throw out a strong accusation but then roll back on it shortly afterwards.In post 329, Andresvmb wrote:I’m not wary of going “hard”. What a bunch of crap. I explained why I didn’t think the conversation was +Town. I also said that even if that’s the case, I don’t think Scum would be so blatant about it. Additionally, I actually think angela has been asking solid questions (though I wouldn’t settle on angela being Town just yet for forever).
Your posts over the past couple of pages feel a bit panicky as well to be honest.-
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If Scorpious is mafia and NM isn't then I'd argue Scorpious has no particular reason to divert the conversation away from NM - recurring chat about someone's meta role in a way that's disconnected from this particular game benefits mafia because it lets them coast by without actually having to post all that much content about this particular game.In post 323, Andresvmb wrote:
I think you’re likely to be Scum. So I don’t want to do NM and would much rather you be executed.In post 148, Scorpious wrote:It really is a very low risk lim. Not really expecting much hunting from N_M.
I think it's probably unlikely they're mafia together though as it'd be too obvious a move for Scorpious to try and direct the chat away from NM. Personally feel like his annoyance seems genuine even if I don't fully agree with the extent to which he didn't want people discussing NM. If NM is mafia, then I reckon his teammates would have been more likely to try and move the conversation on naturally in a way that could appear more townie without making an obvious connection.-
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Sorry just caught up. I generally agree with Rathe's post a few pages back that it's fairly likely mafia are being quiet so far - a lot of the arguments between players feel like they're going in half-hearted, half of them are barely even about this game and we're getting little info.
It also doesn't feel like we're regularly or even semi-regularly seeing new wagons properly pushed or suggested beyond occasional notions - I reckon there's an ok chance mafia are fairly happy with the gamestate right now and don't see the need to mess around with.
I'm getting town vibes from Scorpious a good bit, I don't think their posts are perfect but for the most part they seem genuine in a way I don't reckon is too mafia at the moment.-
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I'm somewhat torn on Andre. I thought their initial replies after the first accusations against them were panicking in a way that felt unnatural. Their fairly abrasive playing style after that though started to feel more townie insofar as they appeared to be drawing a lot of attention to themselves when it probably wasn't to their benefit. But as they went on I don't like how they kept on going round in circles about how their play was being perceived by other players - eventually felt like it was conveniently distracting from the game itself in a way that wasn't needed. If you're town then you don't always need to have the last word in a situation like that.-
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UNVOTE: andresvmb
Slight change in style could of course be deliberate but been liking his posts a bit more. He's looking out for contradictions in play and trying to push people in a way that can hopefully drive forward what's been a really static game so far without much of note happening.
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From a meta POV, does anyone know if Pooky tends to make less effort in general if mafia as opposed to town or vice versa? I did find some of their responses to Scorpious quite lazy and I believe they mentioned just being fine to sheep Angela's vote - if they reckon Angela is going to be perceived as solid town but has an incorrect read then it's not a terrible mafia approach.In post 720, Rathe wrote:didnt rly like the interaction with scorpius n pooky but i would probably still add pooky in the town group-
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Once again feels like we're really getting bogged down by small semantics over minor exchanges.
Does Pooky play like this all the time? They're on 80+ posts for the game so far and a solid bunch of them are basically all just jokes or posts saying nothing of note. There's a read list there earlier in the game but it didn't feel particularly developed as such and was just cobbled together a bit.-
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Reading back and to respond to this I don't agree. Presuming you meant "green flip in mind", Scorpious has been under some pressure but isn't particularly in danger of going out yet because none of the wagons have solidified at all as such and pressure on Scorpious has mostly been fleeting at best. I get what you mean re mafia perhaps wanting to clear a town player to make themselves look good but I think this is weak, there's no contradictions re my previous thoughts on Scorpious and we've aligned with each other in some of our pushes on Andre at times for example.In post 624, geraintm wrote:VOTE: scorpious
this feels like the exact sort of post someone makes with a green flip in mine.In post 587, MalcolmTucker wrote:
I'm getting town vibes from Scorpious a good bit, I don't think their posts are perfect but for the most part they seem genuine in a way I don't reckon is too mafia at the moment.
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Also if Scorpious is town and goes out then this feels like a potentially perfect/valid cover for mafia, and accusing those of defending Scorpious of trying to clear themselves as mafia almost feels like a bit of a guilty deflection if you know you're mafia and doing the opposite here.
I get you obviously don't put much stake on D1 turns (I get where you're coming from but disagree), but this doesn't excuse what feels like a lazy approach and more important an incorrect view that those taking the opposite perspective to you on the matter are somehow more suspicious than someone who's just going on the main bandwagon because it's what they always do.-
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Morning Tweet's been pretty solid so far and looks like they're trying to drive the town forward at times but could also be good mafia play.In post 755, angela wrote:
thoughts onIn post 754, MalcolmTucker wrote:I
morning tweet/galron/nero cain
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Galron's not said anything deliberately suspicious but feel like they're playing quite carefully and avoiding any major conflicts at the moment, could be coy mafia or just genuinely quite busy and struggling to contribute.
Null on Nero thus far. To be honest, as I've said not too far above, been struggling for reads a bit this game at times - feels like a lot of discussion has been quite meta with tit-for-tats about gameplay and how players are playing instead of proper content.-
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If we're referencing this here - then I'd be in general agreement with most of it but not everything, however I think it's all fairly solid logic.In post 453, Morning Tweet wrote:
I don't think so. I'm thinking about "Where are scum and how do I even find them?" as newb town. I felt like i was faking it when i got a ping and tried to say something confident -- but it was my bestIn post 447, angela wrote:
quoting this one in order to not quote the entirety of other oneIn post 426, Morning Tweet wrote:
(this is a joke and not what i want ppl to be taking out of that last post)In post 425, Morning Tweet wrote:I will say it's a lot stronger of a start than they had in our last game, that's for sure
Although I do genuinely think Malcolm taking initiative rather than following another wagon at the beginning of this game is a good sign
you could argue they did it rather than follow because, say, maybe the main wagon at the time was on their buddy Kitty, but I'm not sure i lean that way. i think scum!Malcolm joins an existing wagon with existing town voices already helping rather than forge a brand new one on Andres, if their goal was to protect Kitty.
i guess maybe i would more likely expect that sort of thing - find one thing, comment on it, build entire case out of it, barely mention anything else - to come from newish mafia rather than newish town
As newb scum I'm thinking about "How do I look natural?". And that was never building my own wagons from scratch, it was always trying to ask questions and look showy, but not actually try to get anything done. I'm not trying to affect the game
Course, this all hinges on whether or not my experience as a newer player (as well as some observations) lines up with how Malcolm plays. Which.. idk. But i don't have much more to work with
Re my town play (I obviously know I'm town personally) I'd like to think I've been trying to advance the game with my fairly limited posts so far instead of either sheeping on the reads of others or just jumping on bandwagons. I've not done anything spectacular but have tried to avoid getting bogged down in some of the repetitive tit-for-tats the game has seen so far, a lot of which probably involve townies anyway.
While I've not got much experience as mafia on the site, I'm not sure I 100% agree with MT's read of how I'd approach the game as newbie scum - I reckon as a newbie I'd still be somewhat likely to pick out a player I think I can appear to legitimately be suspecting while perhaps knowing they're unlikely to be eliminated anyway, giving me decent cover while they remain in the game. Even when I'm a townie who's playing in a way that's genuine, I'm often wary of jumping on bandwagons unless I'm confident in them being genuine, partially because I don't want to look like opportunistic mafia when I know I'm not. But then I'd of course caveat all of the above with the fact I'm still somewhat newish to the site and would absolutely also be looking to adapt my play a fair bit as time goes on, especially if I know something might ping me for another player.
Bit of a ramble but that's my general thoughts on MT's read of me - two mins and I'll get back to you re Nero.-
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@Angela, I replied to Nero re this at the time.In post 559, Nero Cain wrote:lemme circle back to this
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Because we don't learn anything from it if he does this all the time, it's clearly not indicative of his alignment.In post 248, Nero Cain wrote:if you played with NM before and he did this as scum then why are you saying that its a poor idea?
if you've only played with him once and he did this as scum where are you getting the idea that its null? From others in this game?In post 247, MalcolmTucker wrote:only played with them in one game, they did exactly this and turned out to be mafia.
The general logic on NM was that they always quickhammer irrespective of their alignment.
My own thoughts were that just eliminating NM for the sake of it in turn one without probing other possible candidates was a poor approach and could be a decent mafia distraction which gains us little info if they are town.
The fact that they quickhammered as mafia didn't necessarily make them more/less likely to be mafia in this game. Frustratingly NM has given us basically nothing to go on so far anyway.-
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Where are you sitting on Nero here yourself? Your thoughts on the slot seem very mixed, it's clear you don't entirely trust them here but also seem to TR them too as well.In post 765, angela wrote:
hmhmhmIn post 763, MalcolmTucker wrote:I don't think there's anything inherently wrong with it, the main thing it highlights is he was keen to discuss NM in contrast to someone like Scorpious who wanted to avoid the topic, but I can see both sides of the argument on that one so it doesn't influence a town/mafia read from them at all.
i feel like, there is a lot going on at that moment in the game and nero cain shortly thereafter votes for scorpious and so forth,
and the post being circled back to was from long ago, so if i knew i was town maybe ears would go up-
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As I've said above if I'm brutally honest my game has been fairly weak so far, been struggling for concrete reads.In post 768, angela wrote:
current conversation with you is more aboutIn post 766, MalcolmTucker wrote:
Where are you sitting on Nero here yourself? Your thoughts on the slot seem very mixed, it's clear you don't entirely trust them here but also seem to TR them too as well.In post 765, angela wrote:
hmhmhmIn post 763, MalcolmTucker wrote:I don't think there's anything inherently wrong with it, the main thing it highlights is he was keen to discuss NM in contrast to someone like Scorpious who wanted to avoid the topic, but I can see both sides of the argument on that one so it doesn't influence a town/mafia read from them at all.
i feel like, there is a lot going on at that moment in the game and nero cain shortly thereafter votes for scorpious and so forth,
and the post being circled back to was from long ago, so if i knew i was town maybe ears would go up
trying to see how you're looking at game
rather than about nero cain so much
your description probably functionally close enough to how i am viewing nero cain
As to why that is, partially it's because I'm often not great on D1 anyway with limited info, but also because I feel like the gamestate has regularly been stalled or interrupted by a lot of meta stuff and arguments not really related to finding scum. Plus we have some players with fairly unconventional styles who aren't doing much at all this turn to hunt mafia either because it's how they play or because they don't like D1.-
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To a degree I suppose? I'm largely null on Nero at the moment but laws of probability would put a player you don't have a solid read on as more likely to be town than mafia given the numbers we work with in mafia games. I don't think they inherently wouldn't do it as mafia either though...it's just an incredibly NAI action for me in every respect. For mafia it could be an easy way to look busy or active without doing too much.In post 772, angela wrote:
like you thinking nero cain is circling back to that previous discussion with you because nero was misunderstanding what you were saying initially or because nero cain wanted to discuss not mafiaIn post 771, angela wrote:i'm not looking for reads as much as like, the a to b to c
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I've not completely cleared Andre yet but their approach to the game has felt more helpful and they just inherently seem more townie than mafia despite early reservations, like they're trying to drive the game forward and get reads out of people in a way that can hopefully help spark some life into the game and mafia probably don't need to do that turn one unless they're under threat of going out. Mafia andre probably pushes Scorpious a bit more given that wagon was forming.In post 778, angela wrote:
right because then instead of it beingIn post 775, angela wrote:what if partnered with one of the others being counted as pressuring yousomepressure but certainly not nearly enough
it would be effectively zero pressure and would definitely need to collectively pivot
and its probably worth noting that malcolmtucker then immediately moved vote when next arrived to thread
and also said was doing so because was now townreading andresvmb
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I agree with this, but also...you're one of the Scorpious votes and that's a wagon that has been consistently ahead with the most votes for most of the game, if you're concerned about a lack of proper content or about the deadline nearing without any sort of consensus, why are you not pushing more actively for Scorpious to go? And if you don't actually believe Scorpious is mafia or worthy of elimination, why are you not looking for a proper alternative target instead?In post 843, Nero Cain wrote:I didn't realize that deadline was so close. I feel like there's alot of uselessness in this game. I expect it from NM and maybe Tucker.
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Do you still think Rathe is mafia, and if so what was your motivation for moving your vote onto Galron for now? Just simply to get someone out or what?In post 845, Save The Dragons wrote:
why? didn't rathe just rehash what someone else has already said?In post 819, angela wrote:good rathe posts-
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I think you're at least consistently making posts and trying to move the game forward though, you're the most active player here and while that doesn't guarantee town, I feel like most of your posts are adding something to play. Whereas I feel like some other slots are dropping votes on players they potentially feel confident on without doing anything about it beyond that in a way that could easily be mafia coasting by.In post 855, angela wrote:
i mean, do you think it is alignment indicative that i haven’t pushed the scorpious wagon over?In post 846, MalcolmTucker wrote:I find the current vote tally on Scorpious quite interesting - as has been noted we're nearing elimination and he's generally had the biggest vote tally throughout the game but nobody actually appears to be pushing him or trying to solidify that block as such. Why not, if they want him out?-
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It could be either to be fair - just since I TR Scorpious, I find it weird they've had a reasonable number of votes for a lot of the game but nobody seems to be doing anything to move things beyond that. Either way I reckon there could be one scum who's been sitting there, irrespective of whatever alignment Scorpious comes back as. Will need to take a proper look as to who it could be.In post 858, angela wrote:
and if you think scorpious is town and the lack of a push is noteworthy then i think that’d be more likely due to mafia waiting to see if i’d push it over and potentially one sitting in the intermediate votes as i mentioned beforeIn post 855, angela wrote:
i mean, do you think it is alignment indicative that i haven’t pushed the scorpious wagon over?In post 846, MalcolmTucker wrote:I find the current vote tally on Scorpious quite interesting - as has been noted we're nearing elimination and he's generally had the biggest vote tally throughout the game but nobody actually appears to be pushing him or trying to solidify that block as such. Why not, if they want him out?-
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Why not take more time to actively push this forward though at a time when we haven't solidified behind any one player? Half your posts on Rathe seem to be "lol more people vote for Rathe please" without actually giving us much detailed evidence as to why Rathe might be mafia. I think their posts have been pretty solid and am strongly leaning town, have their contributions since your first vote not influenced your read at all? I'm just not buying this as a particularly genuine push from you for you.In post 850, Save The Dragons wrote:
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Do you still think Rathe is mafia, and if so what was your motivation for moving your vote onto Galron for now? Just simply to get someone out or what?In post 845, Save The Dragons wrote:
why? didn't rathe just rehash what someone else has already said?In post 819, angela wrote:good rathe posts
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On the Scorpious wagon, I feel like this could apply to Nero and Kitty. Doesn't mean they're definitely mafia, could be it's just their best read so far in a game that's been light on proper reads for the most part, but it feels like a wagon that simultaneously won't go away while also not going anywhere in particular.In post 861, Save The Dragons wrote:
names?In post 859, MalcolmTucker wrote:
I think you're at least consistently making posts and trying to move the game forward though, you're the most active player here and while that doesn't guarantee town, I feel like most of your posts are adding something to play. Whereas I feel like some other slots are dropping votes on players they potentially feel confident on without doing anything about it beyond that in a way that could easily be mafia coasting by.In post 855, angela wrote:
i mean, do you think it is alignment indicative that i haven’t pushed the scorpious wagon over?In post 846, MalcolmTucker wrote:I find the current vote tally on Scorpious quite interesting - as has been noted we're nearing elimination and he's generally had the biggest vote tally throughout the game but nobody actually appears to be pushing him or trying to solidify that block as such. Why not, if they want him out?-
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Yeah I really do not like this at all and it's making me feel more solid in my vote. For one, it just feels like kinda crappy play on everyone else - it's potentially just an easy way to secure your passage into D2 irrespective of your alignment while others have to work to remain in the game going forward.In post 851, Scorpious wrote:
tbh, I'm getting a little tired of you getting a pass on this, Why don'tIn post 849, geraintm wrote:
oh, i am 100% down for no elimination, but whenever i say that i usually get shouted at and no one likes that so i tend to just think that instead of saying it nowadays.In post 830, angela wrote:
interesting to me that this is your aim when you've also said that you think it would be better if towns did not eliminate day oneIn post 805, geraintm wrote:
ah, its just me having a little bit of fun and trying to achieve my aim for Day 1, which is to get to Day 2 as quickly as possible. dont mind me, i promise i'll be better from tomorrow onwardsIn post 777, angela wrote:
it is significantly more suspicious to me that you'd lock into voting in a manner that is not particularly + townIn post 700, geraintm wrote:you know what, it is a contradiction. but once i sorta commit to a way of voting i kinda have to stick to it, otherwise to me that looks suspicious. kinda locked in for the rest of today, sorry.
while being aware that that is what you are doing
which i assumed to involve using the entire day to figure things out and then using the information gained from nightkill to also inform decisions
(which information gain not worth loss of elimination, odd number of players and such)
and get to day two as quickly as possible has the exact opposite effect of limiting information as much as possible
but idk how alignment relevant this might be
I don't want to spend today trying to figure things out, i just want to skip to day 2 when we can all start playing properly. Dy 1 is just...tiresome. And i spent a month waiting for this game to fire and then have to wait another week until it gets going properly.youproduce some content for D1 if it's so useless.
Are you just assuming because it's your "thing" we should all accept it and let you just live until D2 so you can fianlly be interested and engaged. You keep saying it too,like you're trying to renforce that you are just town that really hates D1. It's satrting to feel like a cop out.
And you should get crap for promoting a no lim with 2 1/2 days to go.Especially when no-lim lalmost ALWAYS helps Mafia..
I hate this post..
A night elimination is only useful for me if the posts beforehand are actually there to give you info which can match the elimination to potential mafia. Without that, it really isn't too helpful. I dunno how Ger approaches games in general while taking the stance but they seem extra keen to emphasise here they won't do anything on D1 in a way that's meant to make us trust them in D2 if someone gets eliminated that would match with their approach.
I understand the general point that we're all shooting blind on D1, but that's part of the fun of playing mafia, and sometimes just blindly pushing a player in the hope you can get good info proves useful in the end.-
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In post 205, Save The Dragons wrote:i don't really like the discussion surrounding not mafia as a policy. i think it could easily come from someone who knows NM is town and wants to see them go.
I think rathe's reasoning for voting kittytacky is pretty badIn post 314, Save The Dragons wrote:i'm torn i think ger needs attention but i like my rathe vote, and rathe hoped onto ger so
should have probably said i was vla this weekend got really busy i can have some better thoughts on mondayIn post 357, Save The Dragons wrote:
this is a bad takeIn post 325, Andresvmb wrote:
Rathe I think you could be Town. I like this take.In post 199, Rathe wrote:which one is it or do u already know they are both townIn post 391, Save The Dragons wrote:i feel like we're getting distracted in crap that doesn't matter and ignoring what does matter like voting ratheIn post 395, Save The Dragons wrote:because no one else is voting ratheIn post 404, Save The Dragons wrote:the issue with rathe is
kitty goes "i think this is TvT"
rathe goes "you KNOW it's TvT!" without citing any evidence or providing any reasoning for this other than kitty provided a TvT
then rathe loses interest and votes for ger for wagoning which seems opportunistic to me.
STD, I just don't believe this is particularly genuine suspicion looking bad. It feels like you've honed in on Rathe but the reasoning is pretty weak. Out of interest, where were they just repeating what others have said? And why are they especially deserving of suspicion for doing so when Pooky has pretty much openly said they will sheep Angela no matter what happens?In post 845, Save The Dragons wrote:
why? didn't rathe just rehash what someone else has already said?In post 819, angela wrote:good rathe posts-
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Again on this...why do you deserve a pass on D1 when it's clear someone else will likely be eliminated? If we were all down with your approach, then fine, I'd maybe get the logic, but it's fairly evident most of us don't agree with it and want to eliminate someone, because those votes can give us info even if we get the elimination wrong. I get D1 involves a lot of firing into the dark, but it's not as if D2 automatically provides us with all the answers we need to solve the game.In post 849, geraintm wrote:
oh, i am 100% down for no elimination, but whenever i say that i usually get shouted at and no one likes that so i tend to just think that instead of saying it nowadays.In post 830, angela wrote:
interesting to me that this is your aim when you've also said that you think it would be better if towns did not eliminate day oneIn post 805, geraintm wrote:
ah, its just me having a little bit of fun and trying to achieve my aim for Day 1, which is to get to Day 2 as quickly as possible. dont mind me, i promise i'll be better from tomorrow onwardsIn post 777, angela wrote:
it is significantly more suspicious to me that you'd lock into voting in a manner that is not particularly + townIn post 700, geraintm wrote:you know what, it is a contradiction. but once i sorta commit to a way of voting i kinda have to stick to it, otherwise to me that looks suspicious. kinda locked in for the rest of today, sorry.
while being aware that that is what you are doing
which i assumed to involve using the entire day to figure things out and then using the information gained from nightkill to also inform decisions
(which information gain not worth loss of elimination, odd number of players and such)
and get to day two as quickly as possible has the exact opposite effect of limiting information as much as possible
but idk how alignment relevant this might be
I don't want to spend today trying to figure things out, i just want to skip to day 2 when we can all start playing properly.Dy 1 is just...tiresome. And i spent a month waiting for this game to fire and then have to wait another week until it gets going properly.
But to engage, out of interest, to try a different approach here...what reads would you have on D2 depending on which players are eliminated?
For example, if I'm killed overnight, how would that influence your D2 reads? How about the same with Scorpious, or with Angela? That appears to evidently be how you play the game here, so I'd be interested to hear your thoughts on who you'd suspect depending on what happens overnight.-
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This isn't answering my question though, I don't think your read of Rathe is particularly strong and I'm getting increasingly annoyed by people (not that you've been the main culprit so far) just defaulting to meta here for either a lack of reads or to justify a certain approach to the game that isn't helping at all. My general view is you have a weak case on Rathe here...that can come from either town or mafia but in a game where reads have been thin on the ground it's interesting nonetheless. Like...to put it a different way, why should your read of Rathe lead me to a conclusion you're more townie than mafia?In post 867, Save The Dragons wrote:have you ever played with me before this is what i do-
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A little bit yes - I've been fairly null on both players for now but I'm looking at this from a POV where I mostly TR Scorpious here. I think at least one mafia has an interest in sitting on the potential wagon if that is the case. And if Scorp is mafia, there's potential reasons for someone like Nero to coast on that wagon to create some distance without actually making a major push for elimination at all, even if that's less likely.In post 870, Galron wrote:In post 860, MalcolmTucker wrote:
It could be either to be fair - just since I TR Scorpious, I find it weird they've had a reasonable number of votes for a lot of the game but nobody seems to be doing anything to move things beyond that. Either way I reckon there could be one scum who's been sitting there, irrespective of whatever alignment Scorpious comes back as. Will need to take a proper look as to who it could be.In post 858, angela wrote:
and if you think scorpious is town and the lack of a push is noteworthy then i think that’d be more likely due to mafia waiting to see if i’d push it over and potentially one sitting in the intermediate votes as i mentioned beforeIn post 855, angela wrote:
i mean, do you think it is alignment indicative that i haven’t pushed the scorpious wagon over?In post 846, MalcolmTucker wrote:I find the current vote tally on Scorpious quite interesting - as has been noted we're nearing elimination and he's generally had the biggest vote tally throughout the game but nobody actually appears to be pushing him or trying to solidify that block as such. Why not, if they want him out?
Did you come up with Nero and Kitty after taking a proper look as to who could be mafia easily coasting by?In post 863, MalcolmTucker wrote:
On the Scorpious wagon, I feel like this could apply to Nero and Kitty. Doesn't mean they're definitely mafia, could be it's just their best read so far in a game that's been light on proper reads for the most part, but it feels like a wagon that simultaneously won't go away while also not going anywhere in particular.In post 861, Save The Dragons wrote:
names?In post 859, MalcolmTucker wrote:
I think you're at least consistently making posts and trying to move the game forward though, you're the most active player here and while that doesn't guarantee town, I feel like most of your posts are adding something to play. Whereas I feel like some other slots are dropping votes on players they potentially feel confident on without doing anything about it beyond that in a way that could easily be mafia coasting by.In post 855, angela wrote:
i mean, do you think it is alignment indicative that i haven’t pushed the scorpious wagon over?In post 846, MalcolmTucker wrote:I find the current vote tally on Scorpious quite interesting - as has been noted we're nearing elimination and he's generally had the biggest vote tally throughout the game but nobody actually appears to be pushing him or trying to solidify that block as such. Why not, if they want him out?
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Oh I don't think you're not playing or anything, you're at least engaging and I could absolutely end up being wrong in the end here - I just think it's interesting that you defaulted to "that's how I play" when I questioned you above. I think that's an incredibly weak response because you're obviously experienced and could comfortably play this way as either town or mafia.In post 874, Save The Dragons wrote:
i think having a case on rathe is a lot different than not mafia hammering at e-1 and ger not playing d1In post 871, MalcolmTucker wrote:
This isn't answering my question though, I don't think your read of Rathe is particularly strong and I'm getting increasingly annoyed by people (not that you've been the main culprit so far) just defaulting to meta here for either a lack of reads or to justify a certain approach to the game that isn't helping at all. My general view is you have a weak case on Rathe here...that can come from either town or mafia but in a game where reads have been thin on the ground it's interesting nonetheless. Like...to put it a different way, why should your read of Rathe lead me to a conclusion you're more townie than mafia?In post 867, Save The Dragons wrote:have you ever played with me before this is what i do
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You did, I don't think it really makes your read on Rathe look any stronger to be honest. It just comes across as a particularly weak read and I find it interesting you've both stuck to it without keeping your vote there.In post 876, Save The Dragons wrote:i answered your question with another answer too, did you see that-
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Does the fact nobody is interested in the wagon not maybe indicate to you the case for them is quite weak at the moment? What did you do to actually convince anyone to join it beyond a couple of brief posts with fairly weak evidence?In post 879, Save The Dragons wrote:who's interested in joining the rathe wagon
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The more I play on the site the more I'm disliking having to rely on how someone approaches the game re meta incredibly annoying, would rather just play the game normally. I'd happily get rid of Ger considering their stance seems to be they automatically get to go to day two by virtue of doing nothing.In post 927, Morning Tweet wrote:
it rlly do beIn post 924, Galron wrote:It's two players who are doing NAI things per meta.
But since everyone in the game has interacted in some capacity with the players, they're now even better eliminations than they were at the start of the day-
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This doesn't make sense? I've said Scorpious is town and I don't think they should be voted out, and that scum are almost certainly in there somewhere.In post 901, Nero Cain wrote:
I don't think they are. I especially don't like that he's blatantly ignoring that I put a case down on Scorp and he's lying that I'm coasting this game. 869 might be an ok post but Gera is just p scummy. And everything just rings hollow when he's sitting there and being shit with his vote.In post 877, Rathe wrote:recent posts from malcolmtucker i think r good i would take him out of the vote for group
He's town reading Scorp but isn't even trying to not let Scorp get voted out.
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Geraint, if you're around - would be interested in how you respond to this. If D1 isn't valuable, how would the night kill influence your D2 reads since you clearly put a lot of stock in that?In post 869, MalcolmTucker wrote:
Again on this...why do you deserve a pass on D1 when it's clear someone else will likely be eliminated? If we were all down with your approach, then fine, I'd maybe get the logic, but it's fairly evident most of us don't agree with it and want to eliminate someone, because those votes can give us info even if we get the elimination wrong. I get D1 involves a lot of firing into the dark, but it's not as if D2 automatically provides us with all the answers we need to solve the game.In post 849, geraintm wrote:
oh, i am 100% down for no elimination, but whenever i say that i usually get shouted at and no one likes that so i tend to just think that instead of saying it nowadays.In post 830, angela wrote:
interesting to me that this is your aim when you've also said that you think it would be better if towns did not eliminate day oneIn post 805, geraintm wrote:
ah, its just me having a little bit of fun and trying to achieve my aim for Day 1, which is to get to Day 2 as quickly as possible. dont mind me, i promise i'll be better from tomorrow onwardsIn post 777, angela wrote:
it is significantly more suspicious to me that you'd lock into voting in a manner that is not particularly + townIn post 700, geraintm wrote:you know what, it is a contradiction. but once i sorta commit to a way of voting i kinda have to stick to it, otherwise to me that looks suspicious. kinda locked in for the rest of today, sorry.
while being aware that that is what you are doing
which i assumed to involve using the entire day to figure things out and then using the information gained from nightkill to also inform decisions
(which information gain not worth loss of elimination, odd number of players and such)
and get to day two as quickly as possible has the exact opposite effect of limiting information as much as possible
but idk how alignment relevant this might be
I don't want to spend today trying to figure things out, i just want to skip to day 2 when we can all start playing properly.Dy 1 is just...tiresome. And i spent a month waiting for this game to fire and then have to wait another week until it gets going properly.
But to engage, out of interest, to try a different approach here...what reads would you have on D2 depending on which players are eliminated?
For example, if I'm killed overnight, how would that influence your D2 reads? How about the same with Scorpious, or with Angela? That appears to evidently be how you play the game here, so I'd be interested to hear your thoughts on who you'd suspect depending on what happens overnight.-
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No, but their approach here inherently stops us from finding out either way D1. This is inherently anti-town. How would anything ever get done if we all played this way?In post 933, angela wrote:
sure i can agree that i often am frustrated by the way others play the game,In post 929, MalcolmTucker wrote:
The more I play on the site the more I'm disliking having to rely on how someone approaches the game re meta incredibly annoying, would rather just play the game normally. I'd happily get rid of Ger considering their stance seems to be they automatically get to go to day two by virtue of doing nothing.In post 927, Morning Tweet wrote:
it rlly do beIn post 924, Galron wrote:It's two players who are doing NAI things per meta.
But since everyone in the game has interacted in some capacity with the players, they're now even better eliminations than they were at the start of the day
but on the individual game level it doesn't make the player in question a mafia
like maybe there are solutions that we could employ to make it easier to sort them, if you have any suggestions fire away,
but geraintm isn't mafia in every game, right?
Their posts have been contradictory anyway at times which makes things look worse, like there appears to be a deeper motivation there beyond saying nothing.-
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My general view on Scorpious is he's been keeping up to date with things yeah, even if I've disagreed with certain views or reads a bit at times.In post 934, angela wrote:
wait but,In post 930, MalcolmTucker wrote:Four posts on Scorpious, one of which accuses him of not reading the game, is hardly great stuff.
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I wouldn't hate an NM elimination given they are clearly doing nothing but I don't see why Ger is any worse.In post 940, angela wrote:
i am not disagreeing with the complaints about the approach, i have expressed many myselfIn post 936, MalcolmTucker wrote:No, but their approach here inherently stops us from finding out either way D1. This is inherently anti-town. How would anything ever get done if we all played this way?
Their posts have been contradictory anyway at times which makes things look worse, like there appears to be a deeper motivation there beyond saying nothing.
i do not think that makes geraintm the best elimination today; there are probably at least three who i'd prefer to eliminate on likelihood of being mafia and i'd prefer not mafia as the default elimination at this point-
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What info specifically? Where do you think we go from an NM elim out of interest?In post 944, angela wrote:
geraintm more likely to do something in the futureIn post 942, MalcolmTucker wrote:I wouldn't hate an NM elimination given they are clearly doing nothing but I don't see why Ger is any worse.
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I've voted Ger. Outlined that I think they could be mafia beyond the annoyance of how they're approaching the game.In post 955, Scorpious wrote:
While I agree with this statement, I find the lack of vote disturbing.In post 929, MalcolmTucker wrote:
The more I play on the site the more I'm disliking having to rely on how someone approaches the game re meta incredibly annoying, would rather just play the game normally. I'd happily get rid of Ger considering their stance seems to be they automatically get to go to day two by virtue of doing nothing.In post 927, Morning Tweet wrote:
it rlly do beIn post 924, Galron wrote:It's two players who are doing NAI things per meta.
But since everyone in the game has interacted in some capacity with the players, they're now even better eliminations than they were at the start of the day
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In post 975, Rathe wrote:that last exchange with angela was pretty head scratching scorpius do u have a lag when posting
Kinda feel like this is another case of players just firing 4/5 posts off at each other at a time and then missing the important ones. Which we've all sometimes been guilty of.In post 976, Rathe wrote:angela was answering ur questions but u kept asking-
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Is Andre really parroting here though? I've been really against their reads at times but if nothing else they have consistently had reads of their own. Simply happening to agree with Angela doesn't mean they're parroting them.In post 998, Scorpious wrote:Lol, I’m scum again because you decided to parrot Angela?
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