mystery box of silver 10. (done)

[MathBlade]

Well assume the other hood is toe siding blah

i think their toes are fine

Lmao my autocorrect.

A50s hands must be townsiding but his toes scumsiding XD

But I guess you townread a50 (insert townsiding 3P disclaimer here)

After this I await further orders from my king

[MathBlade]

Cool I nominate myself a50’s bp vote substitute just use a hurt tag a50.

Currently roleblocked by cat slow to type

[MathBlade]

Why not? It’s win win.

You scum read me. I am voteless. A50 who was voteless gains a vote.

What’s the issue?

[MathBlade]

who would you vote for if you could?

You.

VOTE: Morning Mage

~~Your A50 vote provided by MathBlade

[MathBlade]

yo mathblade, i got a challenge for you!

out of players still alive in the game, what proportion of posts have been made by people in the council of super 7s?

If we’re talking game thread probably north of 50-75%
If we’re talking PTs too probably under 30% since you said your mason PT was large

[MathBlade]

??????

a bp protects from a kill. taking that out of a confirmed town slot is stupid

Math is proposing that I should dictate his vote. He is saying whomever I use hurt tags on will be his vote for the BP.

ok then. I first misread it as Math wanting the BP over Norway and then I misread it again as Math wanting you to symbolicly vote her as BP wich accomplishes nothing.

Lmao him* and no. I don’t want the BP.

Scum can shoot me it will probably make some things a bit weird but good.

[MathBlade]

yo mathblade, i got a challenge for you!

out of players still alive in the game, what proportion of posts have been made by people in the council of super 7s?

If we’re talking game thread probably north of 50-75%
If we’re talking PTs too probably under 30% since you said your mason PT was large

??? why would our percentage go down, if we include extra posts only made by us?

Council = Titus/Mastina/Nero yeah?
They’re the head of the 7 people?

[MathBlade]

Then my guess is north of 75-80% but without totals can’t say for certain.

[MathBlade]

So main thread is 65% without typos. My roommate’s cat interrupted me thrice so not sure if no typos.

You said your mason PT would be longer than the game thread soon so my estimate was pretty good?

[MathBlade]

Hahaha I hope you don’t just flip me for stats.

Got called into work. TTFN

[MathBlade]

both Math and S_S have been trying to argue that the third faction, king didi's army isn't scum but that's exactly why they are scum. :/

I certainly haven't been arguing that. I don't think Math has either.

Technically you’re both right.

I’ve argued they’re scum or 3P. I don’t think they’re town.

I kinda think I have a prevailing theory now but based on advice from superbowl9 not sharing it.

[MathBlade]

you are very tight lipped this game math

Is this the part where you change your username to Captain Obvious?

[MathBlade]

the scumteam is being forced to be cop checked?

Yes. This is very much in line with the previous MBOS games, where the scum were often forced to assign PR's or give other buffs to town.

Considering it is in line, that makes more sense with Titus/Nero/Mastina who gave out a tracker.

I am having trouble figuring out how this works with the setup. Let’s assume that’s with the team that is presumed scum King’s Army. Where are the effects of scum? Something is missing here.

[MathBlade]

I have a q for you Math. You said you believe that a50's faction has the town wincon and that they are pro-town. He has said repeatedly that we are not scum nor a threat to the town. Why is it that you don't believe him about that?

Part of me does part of me doesn’t.

I am torn between ignorance/carelessness or outright scum.

A50 trusts you and if I am right on the setup this will resolve itself.

I really don’t see a need to further your mission to poke and prod me every ten minutes.

I legit do not understand. You’ve played with scum me.

It’s not like if I was scum I would scream “I am scum execute me!!!!!”

You’ve made your point known. You’re not making any arguments and this is just more bloat making it harder to have engagement. You want to misfade me fine. Do your best. Not this.

If you’re town you deserve better we all do.

[MathBlade]

and this was something done in previous games you say?

Very similar things were done. This exact thing is probably too powerful in a micro, which would mean it makes sense for it to be here.

Can you link or give me something to search on for these?

I can’t figure something out so I wanna look at prior games.

[MathBlade]

yes, I'm relentlessly pushing you and letting my voice be heard. Get over it.

I could certainly be wrong but you just don't seem very townie to me, Math. *shrug*

Yes. You are. And you’re doing a bad job.

I am trying to help you do a better one. Because if you actually tried versus just whatever this is, you’d see where there’s a very tall thin cylindrical object close to a couple of splits of something or other.

[MathBlade]

I'm just kinda...idk wow. IDK what to really think. I can get behind the idea that players would be paranoid of two 3p groups working together but I mean there are 4 factions here.

the society
growliths health industry or w/e the fuck a50's group is
king didi's army

and town


so it just boggles my mind what people actually think this setup is.

lmaoooooo the names of the factions

pedit: ON EVERY SCUM LYNCH LOL
I love this game

Hey did you ever answer my question? I am catching up so bear with me.

[MathBlade]

our wincon is concurrent with the town wincon. Town has to achieve its wincon for our wincon to be possible. Since there's no pint in holding it back, one of the things we must acomplish is to be on EVERY scum lynch.

So in other words if A50 hits scum then you’re screwed if this counts as an execution? The VoteCount says it does? So are you rooting for him to hit town? How was A50 made king?

[MathBlade]

Hey did you ever answer my question? I am catching up so bear with me.

then y not finish catching up and see if I did instead of asking a question?

Why not stop ruining my reaction tests?

[MathBlade]

Thanks S_S!

[MathBlade]

4518 is shady in a weird way

im gonna be deathtunnelling MM next after I've been more settled on bell
MM/Chemist/DDL/pete/{S_S, TGP} is my current solve

Can you expand more on this please? There’s a couple things that don’t make sense with this team even if you drop off MM?

@shellyc I am looking for the answer to this since you’re caught up

[MathBlade]

Yes. You are. And you’re doing a bad job.

says the person that tunneled us until threat of getting lynched today. and you don't seem to really be pushing your subjects much and every other post is "I can't explain!"

*sigh* You love revisionist history don’t you.

I haven’t tunneled you at all today.

The intro was a polite “reset” request and said I wouldn’t lord it over Mastina/Titus’s head unless they repeated this.

Have I demanded others vote for you? Have I screamed Nero’s scum OMG OMG The thread is on fire?!?!?!?! No

Not tunneling.

[MathBlade]

Because I think it's likely that your wincon is not in fact concurrent with town's wincon.

Nero’s wincon is apparently pester MathBlade repeatedly.
Other than that I kinda don’t see anything here.

The other win con is obviously bogus. They probably have made up their mind that they’re not going to tell us no matter what. Move on S_S.

Who do you think is scum of the three of them are 3P town siding?
Scum siding?
Scum? (Are there more?)

[MathBlade]

@shellyc I am looking for the answer to this since you’re caught up

Chemist DDL pete S_S TGP

this is like a PoE basically
chemist pred was complaining hydras vs scumhunting, and chemist has not even tried to further the game at all
DDL is playing like large 229 (scum!them)
pete is just being really bland and lacking any proactiveness at all
S_S isn't scumhunting and focusing on mech is a good way to get townpoints
TGP play is really consensus-y overall

Do you think some synergize as a team more?

[MathBlade]

Who do you think is scum of the three of them are 3P town siding?
Scum siding?

(a) why should that change who I think is scum, and (b) you left out what I think is the only reasonable option which is that their wincon is agnostic to town and scum wincons.

Ah. I tend to thing more stream play. Each act can help town or scum more. So if there are more +town acts townsiding. Overall I see your point on b. I just tend to be more “in the moment” focused.

[MathBlade]

S_S isn't scumhunting and focusing on mech is a good way to get townpoints

girl knows whats up

Girl knows how to suck up to Nero.

He literally said that like a page or two or something close.

Girl needs to show me original thought

[MathBlade]

This game should be a win if we just don't paranoia eliminate any of the hood members and just go for the scummy outsiders.

[c i t a t i o n n e e d e d]

I would definitely like it a lot better if the hood members told us what their real wincon was.

queue superbowl blowup, but yes, this would be helpful

How many more diagrams do i need to make??

There need to be 9 Super Bowls so a minimum of 17 more apparently.

[MathBlade]

wouldn't all players know if they are scum or not? not reading your pm has been banned for awhile now

Yes what is this in relation to?

[MathBlade]

Welcome back to another day of "Mathblade outposts the entire thread"

Welcome back to i was literally gone half the day
And a majority of the posts are needed

Tell Nero to stop doing repetitive shit at my ankles that needs addressing and I quit responding.

He makes a coherent case the responses end.

Otherwise I can’t let him spread BS.

I get he scumreads me but lies and misinformation (like I am tunneling which I am not) and other things can cause issues.

[MathBlade]

I haven’t tunneled you at all today.

but what I said is that you DID tunnel us until you were threatened with a lynch. And isn't saying that you tunneled us until today just affirming that you tunnel until Titus' letter with a threat to lynch u?

Please slow down and read carefully.
You claimed I tunneled you today.
I spent most of yesterday trying to get your team to rescind your bad “guilty”
The beginning could be argued as tunneling when I replaced in if you stretch the meaning so hard it almost breaks.

You’re really pushing here Nero. If you’re going to push me do so with facts

[MathBlade]

I think it’s clear nobody other than Nero really scumreads you though.

Kind of? Not really.

It’s the thing I can’t tell about hood games.

I can’t see some of the undercurrents.

I can’t tell if Titus and Mastina also scum read me and are just funneling through Nero.

It becomes a matter of i don’t know what is going on.

What I do see is someone spreading BS and that can pick up and cause issues. I am trying my best to limit it while making sure Nero is heard with a clearer coherent argument but I don’t know what to do if he doesn’t take it and keeps lying.

[MathBlade]

Did you all realize that Nero’s faction might have a different wincon??? I don’t know I never considered this angle!! I guess we will have to run all information through SS now, since he is good at setup spec. Im glad I realized this and saved the game!!!

(Laughing while crying emoji that apparently breaks the site) lmao

Clearly.

I get the doubt but sometimes liars if they exist won’t tell you they’re lying.

You gotta go about it another way S_S.

[MathBlade]

Yes. You are. And you’re doing a bad job.

says the person that tunneled us until threat of getting lynched

today

and you don't seem to really be pushing your subjects much and every other post is "I can't explain!"

*sigh* You love revisionist history don’t you.

I haven’t tunneled you at all today.

The intro was a polite “reset” request and said I wouldn’t lord it over Mastina/Titus’s head unless they repeated this.

Have I demanded others vote for you? Have I screamed Nero’s scum OMG OMG The thread is on fire?!?!?!?! No

Not tunneling.

Bold emphasis mine to show the word today.

Nero fucking stop. This is old.

[MathBlade]

I feel like today is a blessing to helping sort MathBlade. There's going to be no 3p execution and he'll have to give reads on the pool. If he doesn't, off with his head.

I disagree with Nero on the reads. I would lynch Pere first, then jjh927 then DDL.

mastina was wrong. It happens.

VOTE: NorwegianboyEE

Spoiler: Math Message

Dear Mathblade,

The six of us have been talking remotely about you and what to do about you. The general consensus is that we don't know if you're scum, but we have no problem executing you. The only exceptions are the one or two people who flat out scumread you.

That being said, as of now, you are not the main priority for an execution. We really need to hit scum today. Another lynch fueled partially by personal biases hitting town helps no one.

Therefore, we decided to write you a note to tell you what you can do to improve the general health of the game, increase your chance of survival and ultimately increase your influence in future games. This boils down to three things: limiting your post volume, listening more to others, and actually hunting army instead of just strictly opposing us.

The first two items go hand in hand. Responding to everything makes it much harder to respond to what needed to be responded to. For instance, shelly posted a content wall that completely missed her need to respond to the question about if she was visited. This means town shelly can't keep up with the developments or scum shelly needed cover to get her response together. There's no way to know if the response is scummy. Running most gambits is impossible at the rate the game goes. To that end, I suggest you limit yourself to thirty posts a real life day.

This limitation also hopefully helps you listen more. Even if you think we're a massive scum cabal, direct, spammy opposition doesn't help. It demotivates people from changing their minds on a lynch. Maybe someone stands up to mastina if we all weren't so exhausted from dealing/reading your posts repeating the same thing. Instead, documenting our allegedly evil ways in a post per day might get more interaction.

The last thing you need to do is show you're hunting army outside of us. We've tried to engage you on this. You have said you can't discuss your reads based on "reasons". This feels more spiteful than actually scummy. We're giving you a chance to prove that right and that you have reads. Titus found it icky that you defended chemist without a townread there. We look forward to actually discussing reads with you, in a less spammy manner. That hopefully will let us sort each other.

When you take the time to listen rather than talk, objectives and then alignment get revealed.

Good luck,

The group of 6

And if you mean this,

This was asking for my reads and apologizing for not listening.

This was not a threat.

[MathBlade]

S_S isn't scumhunting and focusing on mech is a good way to get townpoints

girl knows whats up

Girl knows how to suck up to Nero.

He literally said that like a page or two or something close.

Girl needs to show me original thought

did I? I know I've been calling SS scum in the hood but I'm not sure if I've done so publicly. I could have though.

but this is kinda weird since weren't you scumreading SS but you are blasting Shelly for scum reading YOUR scumread?

Yes.

Sometimes scum sheep reads Nero.

They sometimes also do it to prevent authenticity on buddies.

I want to see something that isn’t what you said.

[MathBlade]

Did you all realize that Nero’s faction might have a different wincon??? I don’t know I never considered this angle!! I guess we will have to run all information through SS now, since he is good at setup spec. Im glad I realized this and saved the game!!!

Have you been discussing what you think their wincon might be in your PT? It might be better to have that discussion in here, if it doesn't hinge on secret info.

Oh wait we can discuss things in the main thread??? I thought I was only allowed to post drawings! You’re really changing my outlook here, next you’re going to tell me we can vote for people or something, haha how silly!

We actually can’t today.

Come back tomorrow when votes r us is open.

[MathBlade]

You know, the mason faction could theoretically just have said they have no second wincon. And people might buy it, it doesn’t even appear with their flip that they have another wincon.
So are we going to be suspicious because of honesty now?

How would you know any of that?

No win cons have flipped.

The only one I know is my own.

[MathBlade]

With all the fancy powers they have, I'm not sure saying "oh yeah we're just special magic townies, nothing to see here" would have been less suspicious than what they're doing.

Also, Nero just admitted to making a blatant contradiction and won't correct it, so there's that.

As much as it pains me to defend the annoying one, I have done this as town for certain reasons.

It’s not a smoking gun but it’s pretty bad.

[MathBlade]

i mean, it's not one but you aren't in the know.

Thanks for calling me town.

Can you move on from this bs please and let me hunt?

[MathBlade]

Sometimes scum sheep reads Nero.

y is shelly scum rather than town with the same read as the both of us?

There’s no thought to it.

It’s copy pasta. It’s a common trick scum do to shade buddies.

“This was used a page back. Good enough for now” type mentality.

Versus actually sitting through and thinking it usually gives more variance and nuance.

It may be the same idea but it won’t have the same packaging

[MathBlade]

p sure that a50 outted that we have a 2nd wincon @ the beginning of d2. S_S just now making a fuss about it is dumb and scummy. Was S_S here on d2 though?

why were you talking before as if you had just one wincon then :/

so you have:
- one wincon which requires town to win and some other stuff to happen, including for you to contribute to every scum execution
- a different wincon which can be achieved midgame and will cause you to exit the game?

(I don’t agree just trying to get in your head) Assume the hood is scum with a traditional win con, I don’t think a 3/25 gets approved. Who else is scum with them?

[MathBlade]

Assume the hood is scum with a traditional win con, I don’t think a 3/25 gets approved. Who else is scum with them?

I certainly don't think they're groupscum, if that's the impression you were under.

Oh then your pushing to be blunt is spam and useless.

They have said they aren’t town.

One big thing a friend of mine told me is
“You shouldn’t be aiming to force someone to do a thing”
Rather
“They should be begging to do it”

Nero/Titus/Mastina have zero incentive to answer it.

Demanding answers on a day we can’t execute
On a day we can’t vote
Doesn’t even tell you if you’re effective

I am pissed at the council’s play too

But this doesn’t work.

[MathBlade]

I’m expecting more song and dance about it. But really, just focus on finding Army.
That’s all we need atm.

I would settle for scum of any kind.

But at this moment is odd.

Do you know why you said it like that?

[MathBlade]

I’m expecting more song and dance about it. But really, just focus on finding Army.
That’s all we need atm.

I would settle for scum of any kind.

But at this moment is odd.

Do you know why you said it like that?

Idk what ur saying.

Atm = at this moment.

This implies more to do after removing the Army.

[MathBlade]

Do you know why you said it like that?

Presumably because he believes the Titustinaro faction's claim that Army is the only anti-town faction.

It actually means not.

[MathBlade]

I’m expecting more song and dance about it. But really, just focus on finding Army.
That’s all we need atm.

I would settle for scum of any kind.

But at this moment is odd.

Do you know why you said it like that?

Idk what ur saying.

Atm = at this moment.

This implies more to do after removing the Army.

Oh, my current belief is that eliminating all of the Army will end the game.

Okay then. Just odd.

If you had a vig who would you shoot?

[MathBlade]

I was defending gamma and was leading the counter wagon.

and you should be town read for that?

Your reasoning for scum reading was literally “gamma was being bussed by one of someone, someone, and DS”.

I get it. You don’t actually care about internal consistency. But still.

Also, @A50. I’m done dealing with this shit (this shit not concerning you). We need to start weeding through these 3P. I won’t be egocentric and say it had to be Nero, but I think that you being a king for a day would be a solid opportunity to sort through it.

While it would be a good opportunity to do so,
As antitown as I think that trio is
We need wagon data on who pushes them more

This game has been starved to see who pushes who and it means something.

It’s been the 3P shows.

[MathBlade]

If it doesn’t then we obviously have a problem, and the 3P’s will probably be given the side eye if they are still alive, but for now when given the choice between "obviously evil faction" and "town-siding group" i think it’s pretty freaking obvious where we should be putting our main focus.

That’s the thing. Talking Nero/Titus/Shelly(? I’m on mobile so I can’t verify, but I’m not 100%), Nero is 100% acting antitown here with zero consistency and coherency in his posts, Titus is a known manipulator who loves to to control the narrative, and then the rest is whatever.

We

can’t

take this faction as “pro-town” because we have

literally zero real evidence to suggest that they are

Titus Nero Mastina

[MathBlade]

Also i think y’all missing the part where mod literally daid in the sign up thread. "Most roles will be town or share a town wincon"

That’s literally not kissed.

I think you’re failing to see the point.

Titus Mastina and Nero are treating us like chess pieces or things to be prodded or manipulated rather than equals.

Now if my theory is right I get it and I know why.

Which is why I have been trying desperately to play peace maker and brush Nero off

But at the same time I 100% get the frustration.

They made their bed and need to at least pretend here.

[MathBlade]

To be frank I am not good at this peacekeeper thing and I have work tomorrow.

Btw Nero don’t ever accuse work for me as fake. That’s a low blow.

Please Norway talk with Titus Mastina and Nero.

This needs fixing

Pedit wtf I am talking hunting Army,

My warnings are to fix the direction fast

[MathBlade]

Also i think y’all missing the part where mod literally daid in the sign up thread. "Most roles will be town or share a town wincon"

That’s literally not kissed.

I think you’re failing to see the point.

Titus Mastina and Nero are treating us like chess pieces or things to be prodded or manipulated rather than equals.

Now if my theory is right I get it and I know why.

Which is why I have been trying desperately to play peace maker and brush Nero off

But at the same time I 100% get the frustration.

They made their bed and need to at least pretend here.

@Norway

[MathBlade]

Also, I so SR Pickaxe, but why would he be early on Gamma but not at all on April? This is the main reason I'm second guessing myself on him.

if Pete is scum then he would have known April is town. Scum intentionally avoiding a wagon on town is a thing. You've been here 5 years, come on bro. But I didn't really get the impression that he was bussing Gamma so eh...

4814 is a bunch of excuses and I don't like them.

Nero how did Mastina reset when April flipped green? What did your hood do?

Still awaiting a response to this.

well, I had to get home first. I was and still am mad though part of that is being mad at myself for voting April mostly b/c peer pressure and FOMO and April for being a twat to me and making me want to vote him. She apologized and mostly took it in stride.

Here.

Work was an “excuse” which implied fake.

I don’t ever lie about RL.

[MathBlade]

And since when did you become a UN Peacekeeper.
I like that idea though.

Since I self nominated to try to stop whatever the fuck this is.

I am horrible at it.

If you’re better by all means.

[MathBlade]

Who the fuck wishes that the two of you don’t both pull a MathBlade?

This MathBlade

He is the one known for being a tunnelly idiot.

Please the two of you go find yourself a temporary reprieve before you start coding and nerdy and repetitive and stackmemoryoverflow errors

[MathBlade]

Please for the love of fuck stop calling any of the 3P town or masons. They are not remotely. They’ve even admitted as much.

As soon as they greentext, they leave the game.

We cannot count on them to have our interests in mind.

Yes from now on I will only answer to goliath gouthwits health interns #1 2 and 3.

Do we really know the wincons of goliath gouthwits health interns 1 2 and 3? Or are non-goaliath-gouthwits-health-interns-1-2-and-3-third-party-with-town-(possibly)-((ish))-wincon just playing them for suckers? I think this syntax is more clear and direct.

Yeah no.

How does interns sound?

Is that okay?

If not please provide a nickname?

[MathBlade]

The issue is that they cause so much white noise it is virtually impossible to hunt for scum right now. Look at the past 120 pages. Almost

all

of it is drama levied at MathBlade by these 3Ps. What isn’t is drama levied by the rest of the 3P at the rest of the game.

PEdit: So a lolhammer constitutes bussing now. Solid.

Yes we should all play like diamond who is above all of this 3P wincon nonsense!

I am doing my best here.

I get this sucks Diamond.

You wanna help? Stop adding mud.

Like go do anything else and come back in an hour.

[MathBlade]

What are you trying to accomplish with all this sarcasm, superbowl?

It’s the only way I can cope with terrible posts besides to push you for posting terribly. I could do that if you want but i prefer to keep the mood happy!

He’s trying to say stop feeding the trolly behavior and get back to hunting.

If you can’t get what you want directly try a different way.

And if that doesn’t work a third.

Then if that doesn’t work just stop.

Reboot. Work on something else.

[MathBlade]

It’s the only way I can cope with terrible posts besides to push you for posting terribly. I could do that if you want but i prefer to keep the mood happy!

If you think my posts are terrible and that's hurting your enjoyment of the game, maybe you should let me know what about my posts is terrible so that I can stop making terrible posts. It's not like I'm doing it on purpose.

I agree with some of the sentiment of your posts.

Your posts are terrible.

Stop trying to get a horse to drink.

[MathBlade]

I think you all think we are being patronizing to you but what is TRULY patronizing is you thinking that you know better than us what yo do with private information. If you don’t trust us because we won’t give you info, that’s fine. The point has been made ad nauseum. But when you just continue to rehash the same basic arguments over and over it really makes me wonder what you expect to happen? You end up posting things like “it’s better to discuss in main thread if information is not secret!” - like do you think we joined MS last week?

Bro i'm vibing with you so hard right now.

Me too.

This.

You’d think when I got chewed out for this on day two it was old news.

Apparently not.

[MathBlade]

It’s the only way I can cope with terrible posts besides to push you for posting terribly. I could do that if you want but i prefer to keep the mood happy!

If you think my posts are terrible and that's hurting your enjoyment of the game, maybe you should let me know what about my posts is terrible so that I can stop making terrible posts. It's not like I'm doing it on purpose.

No I actually think it’s funny and enjoy trolling a lot! If it gets too far lmk because im not here to try to ruin people’s day but I do enjoy a good laugh at someone’s expense from time to time. I just genuinely think this is a better way to enjoy the game

I hear this MathBlade dude is stubborn.

He keeps insisting on using the word redacted as much as possible.

Or reasons.

Weird dude he is.

It’s like he wants to say something and not. Maybe he should figure out a way to rip on himself that defuses tension. Nah he won’t because reasons.

[MathBlade]

This slipped right by me. I'm not necessarily town reading MM either but for the mason group.

Actually, one in each group makes sense.

its a good theory. unfortunately, everyone in our group is mod-confirmed non-scum. the other group are claiming the same is the case for them. so it has to be all or nothing i think.

Now I am going to ask this very very dumb question:

Mod confirmed not army?
Or mod confirmed not scum.

Don’t answer aloud I am just the idiot.

Just leaving this here.

[MathBlade]

*facepalm*

Yep...didn’t get it. It’s 1 am for me
Time for bed.

Good night

Please no ww3 after work for me

[MathBlade]

Player Name	Execution Preference
shellyc	DDL>Pete>jjh
Chemist1422
Bell	DDL (doesn't disagree - yucky)
mastina	DDL
Nero Cain	DDL (but prefers outside)
MathBlade	DDL
Morning Mage	DDL, or outside mod's trio shelly or taylor
Almost50
superbowl9	jjh
Tayl0r Swift	DDL
jjh927	not DDL so Pete by PoE
Titus	Pickaxe Pete
NorwegianboyEE	DDL
Pickaxe Pete	DDL until "latest stunt by jjh"
DiamondSentinel
Something_Smart	Not jjh [JJH is town, and SS is scum]
DrDolittle	Pete?
TheGoldenParadox

This is wrong. I prefer Pete (can see why when you’re caught up.) well really prefer TGP but that’s not one of the three.

[MathBlade]

Give me a readslist that convinces me otherwise SS.

Pedit: Thank you Math. I honestly skimmed over all the posts in the middle that happened Saturday night.

K I am going back to lurking now. Gotta get stuff done.

[MathBlade]

@superbowl @TGP
Shooting inside the group makes more sense if you feel there's a decent chance of being wrong I guess. You're accurate there and if Almost50 isn't taking a hero shot, that can't be held against us. Mathematically, it makes more sense to shoot outside the group, if we feel confident outside rather than inside.

Inside right now we have 1/3 or 33 percent odds of hitting correctly.
Outside we have 3/ (18-6-3) or 3/9 or also 33 percent odds of hitting correctly. Plus, I have more townreads in the outer group.

This doesn't factor in reads.

If we factor in likely group reads, I feel we have a zero percent chance if DDL or jjh is selected.
Thus we go to 50/50 to the group collective.
And then still, 3/9 in the outside the collective.

If we're wrong on shooting SS (or just outside the group)...
Then we get 1/3
3/8

So if we're going to be wrong, then shooting within the group is better.

Math error:

Titus is assuming exactly one scum in those three. Number unknown.
Titus is also suffering from Monty Hall Problem.
Please revise.

*lurks*

[MathBlade]

Player Name	Execution Preference
shellyc	DDL>Pete>jjh
Chemist1422
Bell	DDL (doesn't disagree - yucky)
mastina	DDL
Nero Cain	DDL (but prefers outside)
MathBlade	Pete
Morning Mage	DDL, or outside mod's trio shelly or taylor
Almost50	Blank for good reason
superbowl9	jjh
Tayl0r Swift	DDL
jjh927	not DDL so Pete by PoE
Titus	Pickaxe Pete
NorwegianboyEE	DDL
Pickaxe Pete	DDL until "latest stunt by jjh"
DiamondSentinel
Something_Smart	Not jjh [JJH is town, and SS is scum]
DrDolittle	Pete?
TheGoldenParadox

Is there a lag on MS for anyone else or is it my internet?[/quote]

If you want others to use your chart, probably best if you remove personal opinion.
Otherwise probably best in a personal PT.

[MathBlade]

I stand corrected. I think I have said my piece.

Pickaxe Chemist SS Bell.

Unless anyone has something specific to discuss with me, I am willing to wait on A50.

Can you please go look at my last few posts before I went to bed?

You don’t need to respond but I suggest you need them. Obviously I don’t know what you do (although I suspect I am right) but imho the Titus/Mastina/Nero hood or the 7 hood needs to change something.

Can’t really detail a lot working.

[MathBlade]

Math, I would love to see your VCA supposing the council of 7 are all townsiding.

Hahahaha a vca with overtime this week and drs appointments

It’s been difficult enough to keep up.

Respectfully not until Monday night at earliest and maybe not even then.

From memory both wagons were 3P heavy so not much likely visible so I punted

[MathBlade]

@Mathblade,

That's the thing about conftown working in concert with more information. We can't take the chance of sharing our information (particularly our wincon), with anyone who isn't scum. So when you have one group that has more information than another, it's going to feel a bit like chess pieces. There's not much to be done. You and DS naturally rebel in such situations. Well scum!DS wouldn't. So there's always going to be conflict. It's what happened in that one game where Cerb and I were conftown and we misexecuted you due to your resistance.

I understand if this means our 3p needs to be shot, but it is what it is. If you become confirmed not!Army, I would advocate letting you know everything.

Here’s the issue.

You’re not even confirmed not Army from an outsider’s perspective.

I don’t think you are.

But you’re so hyper focused on what you “know”, your team isn’t taking in additional data and input.

The perception right or wrong is that you’re trying to dictate control of the game. People are rebelling because of it. There’s way too many discontent players at the speed and how you’re handling this to all be scum.

You need to break that. I don’t know how, but something has to change.

[MathBlade]

Mastina did it yesterday with April.

You’re not doing it to a person now but it’s the same idea.

[MathBlade]

You’re literally torpedoing any SS is scum case you have because of this perception.

Your hood is about to become the me. Please don’t be the old me.

[MathBlade]

@SS What decision do you not understand? It looks like you’re just kissing up to Math.

@Math - Norway confirms us as not Army. A50 confirms us as not Army. What more "outside" perspective do you need to confirm us as not Army?

Our team has mod confirmed information Army has 5 members and they are the only scum. New data won't change mod confirmation. That is unless you're referring to something else.

The only town objecting are you and DS. You're buddyable and DS was buddied by scum D1. It's in the VCA too.

We can't break a rebellion that's in your DNA because you can't accept some people knowing more than you.

That’s the thing.

Unless Norway has checked you somehow (ffs don’t say this) it isn’t. Norway has confirmed that they are in your PT and heard claims from you. You’re focused on confirming goodness and using the rod of “my highway” vs being town and hoping people follow.

That is part of the problem. You “know” there were 5 army at the start of the game. You “know” your teammates are not scum. You “know” x. We hear “Claim X”.

I can literally type “hey it’s mod confirmed the masons are all town and there is one serial killer.” (This is imho false) it has no evidence/confirmation. You’re trying to fling your weight around as if you’re the greatest gift on earth instead of cooperating.

Because of that people don’t trust your claims.

[MathBlade]

The more outlandish your claims (some of which are really outlandish) the more honey you need.

You’re trying to jam vinegar down our throats when you’re claimed 3P

At best you’re ignored at worst you’re exed/shot

[MathBlade]

You’re being told what you’re presenting doesn’t make sense.
Doubling down doesn’t help.
I am 75% sure I know the missing piece but saying is bad.

Rather than saying “too bad so sad can’t help”
You need to get people to trust you to rebuild your clout.

As it stands tomorrow I am awaiting what ridiculous power claim you have and sighing that it’s completely ridiculous and I am stuck defending you to get a scum exe

[MathBlade]

And the airplane flies over Titus’s head

*sigh*

SS read will have to wait til lunch break sorry

If you got specific questions I will see it then

[MathBlade]

You’re not even confirmed not Army from an outsider’s perspective.

the thing is...there are only 3 of us. Even if you want to say that Gamma was a member and we were really 4 members then why do we ever bus him d1? Also, there's confirmed ar,y in DDL/pete and JJH so that further disproves that we are some 3p group that's secretly army.

and if you think we are army why, when asked about your scumreads were they DDL, SS and TGP?

Nero you have got to stop this.

I can easily make the argument this is a Titus gambit and she started by hooding the three of you out of the 5 scum then just added people. I don’t make it because I don’t believe it true.

I get you think I am scum. You’re literally hurting your own argument and the last thing I should be in your eyes is townfirm and you’re doing it by pushing me in this manner.

Stop it.

[MathBlade]

like Math has this "oh I'm hardheaded, none of this scummy just me being hardheaded"

scum HAVE to break the hood up. They know they can't hunt outside of the hood b/c any lynches outside of the hood just result in them being POEd.

**gobble gobble**

This post does not exist as is imho wrong because reasons.

This post is damaging to town if your claims are true.

Stop.

[MathBlade]

scum HAVE to break the hood up. They know they can't hunt outside of the hood b/c any lynches outside of the hood just result in them being POEd.

how can this be true? wouldn't the game be absurdly townsided if this were the case?

Omg can we just pretend Nero didn’t say this please

The explanation and carry through on this is bad.

Can we please just do anything besides this topic?

[MathBlade]

So I think tgp is scum

Let’s talk about that.

[MathBlade]

when I asked you who were scum and you told me that it was the kings army did you believe that kings army was INSIDE our hood?

no?

that was mathblade arguing that.

My argument wasn’t exactly that. See my note earlier about lying

Sigh please pick a new topic before pants are naked

[MathBlade]

ok summarize your case on TGP then

Tgp asks way too pointed questions and seems more setup than hunt but is lurking while doing it.

[MathBlade]

scum HAVE to break the hood up. They know they can't hunt outside of the hood b/c any lynches outside of the hood just result in them being POEd.

how can this be true? wouldn't the game be absurdly townsided if this were the case?

then im not sure what ^ is b/c if you believed that scum are didi's army that is OUTSIDE of the hood why are you casting doubt on it not being outside the hood?

Nero stop do not pass go do not collect 200 dollars

[MathBlade]

y do u feel the need to get between me and S_S?

Because of the topic is dangerously something close to town losing.

Argue about food idc.

Just don’t argue about THAT.

[MathBlade]

I swear you three are denser than diamond sometimes.

Just move on please.

[MathBlade]

Diamond the mineral.

I was not thinking about DS just realized how that sounded lmao.

[MathBlade]

I just wanted a strong object. Shoulda said steel.

[MathBlade]

@Math, Do you agree with me on DS though anyway?

DS I am 50/50 on. I can make an argument either way.

[MathBlade]

@Math, Do you agree with me on DS though anyway?

DS I am 50/50 on. I can make an argument either way.

Can we cooperate and talk about it? Nero and I disagree and maybe you talking about your read can help Nero see you're town.

I feel DS is pretty VCA + personality clear from D1.

Nero SRs DS based on his defensiveness and proscum behaviors.

I spent my lunch break saving the game from certain doom.

I will add this to after work.

[MathBlade]

@Norwee: Can you at least vote yourself for the BP?? Thanks in advance

(Your other question is more than I can answer in 5 second A50 noted it for after work.)

Do you want me to change your pseudo vote to Norway?

Please use the hurt tag so I can tell.

[MathBlade]

VOTE: Norwee

Done

[MathBlade]

@BM, I already did apologize for you and said you were blameless. I am also am defending the players with our flaws. Not really sure much more self-awareness you're expecting.

But if that's all I can get for now is a compromise scumread on Bell. I'll take it. Maybe you'll see things my way on Pickaxe and SS and Chemist when DDL flips town.

*deliberately goes to lurking*.

You really aren’t.
You’re doing “Math sucks” despite me being right on reads.

I am “protecting” him from absolutely nothing

The only thing you’ve done is assault my character.

Secondly I don’t want to be obvTown. Then I might die and you all spill your pants.

[MathBlade]

VOTE: Norwee

Done

i think the only way to top your accidental "dense as Diamond" putdown, is to accuse someone of "having an IQ of Almost 50"

I swear it was an accident sorry.

I have no intention of putting Diamond down and I hope he understands that

[MathBlade]

DDL at least is quiet lurky scum. He's got that going for him.

My inclination is to shoot outside that pool of 3, since we all KNOW there is "at least one scum in them", so we do have that pool to eliminated from later on.

What I want is to try is to hit another scum who was not put in that pool.

IF the pool was picked by scum themselves (being forced to put at least one of them in it) then that scum within the pool is the least significant role (very likely a Goon). The three I listed are not playing like mere Goons to me. I'm not going to say much more until they've all claimed.

Do you want my input?

[MathBlade]

What input? If you said something within the last few pages then rest assured I missed it. I did skim/skip whole posts for real.

I meant on the person you execute.

[MathBlade]

I think you’re making a strategic mistake here but I don’t know what you know so I am sorta asking or if this is a “the Absolute has decided”.

[MathBlade]

@Math: Let me sleep on the answer for now.

Okay. Sweet dreams.

[MathBlade]

I said treat it as if it was your last post, mate. Claim ALL the info you have now, please. It may help me decide whom to execute (at the very least it may convince me to spare you)

fine i double checked and there SHOULD be no reason i get in trouble for saying this

titus n1 "glad to see it", mathblade n2 nothing

what do you mean by "a reaction to it"?

example given above with my n1

What do you mean "not posting" Chemist

I've been doing a combination of catching up and posting

you've made like 20 posts over 2 days

not saying i've done better but you still feel low-engagement

Can you talk about why you picked Titus then me? I want to see why.

[MathBlade]

What does the play tell you?

On jjh?

Nothing.

Scum-jjh used to be lurker-jjh, BUT, that meta is thoroughly obsolete, as not only,
1: has scum-jjh proven he can and will be a not-lurker, but also,
2: town-jjh has repeatedly time and time again demonstrated that he can and will be a lurker.

So jjh being a lurker here? By play is completely and utterly dead-null.

In terms of contributions for however sparse they may be though?

Still town, because:

Hey mastina, I was gonna vote Titus
Can you confirm once more your strong disagreement with this course of action

jjh's way of working with me felt town,

motifs of the series:

assignment of roles to town by mafia; heavy information to mafia;

night actions being determined by events (e.g., two players are assigned to collaboratively use a doctor ability); normal roles or otherwise non-flashy roles; uncertain guilties vs. certain innocents; setup fake-outs; vanilla by any other name tastes just as sweet.

Shit I missed this too

Okay my role is like, the worst imaginable that could be assigned to jjh927

Okay my role is like, the worst imaginable that could be assigned to jjh927

Yeah I wouldn't want to roll caught scum either :/

Nonono, someone has gone through a list of roles and assigned me the one that fits me and the way I tend to play the least

I am what they call an early game player because I actually find scum in the early game and then I get killed so I don't get to play in the late game
I only tend to see lategame when I have roles that can prevent me from dying, my record with which speaks for itself

I liked jjh's mechanical takes on things and feel he was being very genuine and sincere in this,

Yeah that wasn't a meme vote

I liked what little he did give, and,

Not too sure about it right now but then I also respect your play
Also chances are you're probably a mafia roleblocker

Given scum had a 1x alien, I liked this take on things even if the player he was using the logic on was town. (Basically, a good take.)

Are these strong reasons to townread jjh off of play?

Oh hell no, of course they're not. They're borderline-rvs-levels of "town indicators, but weak town indicators", because jjh hasn't given a lot.
But given the mechanical reasons are fairly strong...

So the TLDR is you’re doing what you did with April.

The specific thing I asked you not to do.

*sigh*

It’s like iioa wins with your hood.

[MathBlade]

And NOW -of all times- everybody goes SILENT!

I mean, just because it's MU shot doesn't mean you can't evaluate the claim you've just witnessed presented! ALL OF YOU.

@Bell: Why did you go silent on this matter??
@jjh: What do you think of that claim?
@Mathblade: Any comments regarding this?
@S_S: You're our resident mechanical expert, and your experience is well needed.

I already asked a question to Chemist.

To give my opinion spoils that question. I generally like to know the why behind the what. Scum are good at faking what’s but not why’s.

[MathBlade]

@Math: OK. Let's wait till you do get your answer.
@Bell: I am not asking you to so a whole setup spec. I am asking if you believe that claim or if you see anything wrong with it.

I guess since you brought up setup spec I think this has to be looked at very differently for balance.

Using traditional methods imho fails. This is not in regards to any particular claim this is in regards to overall and my theory.

[MathBlade]

What reason do you have to believe the ungated ascetic claim??

Because,
1: ascetic is a passive role, not an activated role, therefore, is not a role that schadd_'s likely to tack on modifiers for,
2: ascetic is a bad role to put modifiers like x-shot on because with it as a passive action, handling how players target you is rather awkward,
3: ascetic is one of schadd_'s favorite roles to put into games as either alignment; schadd_ almost always has an ascetic in his games. Like, 80+% of schadd_ games have an ascetic in them. These ascetic roles are never gated.

So the ungated ascetic claim is 100% truthful; the only question is whether the role is town or scum and I believe both from play and setup spec that it's more likely to be a town role.

Didn’t you literally just say play is null?

[MathBlade]

@TGP
So jjh being a lurker here? By play is completely and utterly dead-null.

5546

Did you?

[MathBlade]

Excuse the number typo mobile

[MathBlade]

Its amazing you guys are not focusing on the mechanical inconsistency that April detected motion from titus and madrina says he can't.

Instead you're just doing the small brained play on shoving me down. Like those tho are saying 3p is town and should never be executing are like communist apologists.

Math blade if you think that a clear contradiction is just a 'little thing' you're a truly awful player

For the record.

These are the posts of a playerslot that some people for some reason seem to be defending as being town.

When they're pretty blatant scumplaining to me.

Now there I am agreeing with you.

As I said before nuke all three. I don’t care.

But if Chemists claim ...(must not spoil active question)

[MathBlade]

In terms of contributions for however sparse they may be though?

Still town

You’re failing to see the point. I dunno if it’s intentional or not.

She said by play (no qualifiers null)
Then she said by play (no qualifiers) town.

There is something up with that.

[MathBlade]

Superbowl9: yes I believe that schadd designed a 23p large with 5scum that may not be able to kill and a bunch of town siding 3p that gives great power roles. What a joy that is and thus norwegian boy is innocent

Like, can anyone tell me how this is not a "scum complaining that they can't kill all of the players considered conftown" post?

Read this and find me an interpretation which isn't complaining that the game has too many conftowns.

Keep in mind that there's a minimum of 33% chance that DDL is literally mod-confirmed scum. A minimum of 50%, if you like me feel jjh is town.

Can you not ruin the pressure on Chemist?

I want them to see my question,

Thanks!

[MathBlade]

Superbowl9: yes I believe that schadd designed a 23p large with 5scum that may not be able to kill and a bunch of town siding 3p that gives great power roles. What a joy that is and thus norwegian boy is innocent

Like, can anyone tell me how this is not a "scum complaining that they can't kill all of the players considered conftown" post?

Read this and find me an interpretation which isn't complaining that the game has too many conftowns.

Keep in mind that there's a minimum of 33% chance that DDL is literally mod-confirmed scum. A minimum of 50%, if you like me feel jjh is town.

Can you not ruin the pressure on Chemist?

I want them to see my question,

Thanks!

i thought a50 had established that he's definitively shooting within (shelly, taylor, chemist) so i don't think talking about the mod-confirmed thing ruins your question

It’s the spam I am concerned about.

They could legit miss my question.

[MathBlade]

Just execute all three of them. Problem solved.

[MathBlade]

You’re doing “Math sucks” despite me being right on reads.

how do you know your reads are right unless you are bussing?

Because April flipped town and I townread her. I had a town grouping with me and Plus.

Are we in the same game?

[MathBlade]

Nero how did Mastina reset when April flipped green? What did your hood do?

I entered heavy support mode, owned up to the fuckup, stopped pushing my will on others, acknowledged that I had done so, explained myself but admitted that while the explanations explained my behavior they did not excuse the behavior, and tried to smooth over some tensions, keep things civil, try to see if I could get us on the same page, etc.

More or less.

How did your reads change? Did you reset? What did you do to prevent this?

[MathBlade]

I said treat it as if it was your last post, mate. Claim ALL the info you have now, please. It may help me decide whom to execute (at the very least it may convince me to spare you)

fine i double checked and there SHOULD be no reason i get in trouble for saying this

titus n1 "glad to see it", mathblade n2 nothing

what do you mean by "a reaction to it"?

example given above with my n1

What do you mean "not posting" Chemist

I've been doing a combination of catching up and posting

you've made like 20 posts over 2 days

not saying i've done better but you still feel low-engagement

Can you talk about why you picked Titus then me? I want to see why.

Making sure Chemist answers this.

[MathBlade]

Because April flipped town and I townread her. I had a town grouping with me and Plus.

Are we in the same game?

we are but you scum reads are unflipped though you prob are right about DDL and S_S if you still scum read him.

I'm backing off now though but if we are still here on like d7 ima tunnel the fuck out of you.

If you and I are still here on day seven I am gonna wonder what the scum team is doing and if they would share their snacks with me. So in other words deal.

[MathBlade]

can you like make it bolded and really big and a pagetop like a normal person please

Game goes too fast and I am on mobile. You can quote it if you want.

[MathBlade]

@Titus I forgot I owe you SS and DS reads and A50 some council play.

A50 will have to wait a bit longer because claim stuffs

But for SS I go either way.

They are way too setup spec heavy for my liking but iirc that’s their meta so gut townread
DS I think is frustrated whatever their alignment. That’s the read I get, I got an emotion not an alignment.

[MathBlade]

yesterday i was 40 pages behind and said id start reading from there. but then my motherboard died and now im another 50 pages behind. so im going to just read from here. sorry.

Claim. Now. You’re on E-1 from A50. Anything and everything. Right now.

[MathBlade]

but that's what I'm saying...there are 2 anti-scum groups AND an conf town all working together. scum are frustrated as fuck.

Yes. Scum can be frustrated but so can town. I agree it is huge points in the scum column but there are some huge town posts as well. I try to only state what I have clear conclusions/opinions on.

[MathBlade]

I feel like relying on mech talk to be active instead of scum hunting is just scum play.

I actually do like your reads Math but my worry was/is that were bussing as opposed to just you know having good reads.

You’ve played scum with me. I would be worried if you weren’t worried lmao.

Just be worried in a protown way.

I wasn’t born yesterday. If you really think I am scum you’re gonna need a mountain.

[MathBlade]

My hope is while your building up the rocks for that mountain you see the shiny one that says “oops I was silly”

If not I can learn from it. Win win

Sorry mobile cut post

[MathBlade]

Math has a pretty good scumgame (I was in the game that the quote in his sig is taken from), but it was pretty solid and conventional and the way he's playing here is anything but that.

Fits.

I can’t believe I am arguing I am good scum what is the world coming to?

I am still sad I didn’t get noms for Gistou and Shadowrun. They are lengthy af to warn you.

If you want links lemme know. Otherwise just I am considered decent/good scum.

[MathBlade]

Pretty much. But I am still sad about it.

[MathBlade]

I would like to apologize. I obviously started giving content today. But also, I am derailing and shit posting in a game that desperately needs to stay on task.

Go back to solving.

Thoughts about end of day 2?

[MathBlade]

I would like to apologize. I obviously started giving content today. But also, I am derailing and shit posting in a game that desperately needs to stay on task.

Go back to solving.

Thoughts about end of day 2?

Do you mean what I was thinking day 2 or what I think about day 2 now that it ended?

I was meaning towards the end of day two what were you thinking?

Step me through it.

However if you wish to answer the latter go for it.

[MathBlade]

I am of the opinion that whomever A50 chooses to execute that we should execute DDL tomorrow. He's got too much baggage and he's just not worth risking the game over.

I'm willing to fight for my scumreads, but I have to realize, for the health of the thread, when I have lost that battle.

I just wish you’d quit thinking of it as a battle tbh.

Ddl and Pickaxe could very well both be scum.

What about the possibility that everyone’s right?

I am of the opinion one or the other but not both and jjh is 50% shot.

But that doesn’t mean I am wrong and try to insist.

If we go DDL tomorrow you’ll get some healthy wagon data.
Game sorely needs it.

Just let things happen naturally. VCA will be soooo much better

[MathBlade]

the correct play is for the day to go on and we keep talking and hunting but part of me is rdy for him to just eliminate someone.

Seconded but we need the claims.

Not happy Chemist and Taylor up and disappeared.

[MathBlade]

the correct play is for the day to go on and we keep talking and hunting but part of me is rdy for him to just eliminate someone.

There comes a point where the day just ends organically and more talking hurts town.

Once we get the remaining claims, the day will hit that point. So we should keep our talks to a minimum (which is why I didn't discuss my Chemist claim thoughts in public).

Uhoh I agree with the Titus hood.

Quick someone scumread me please? *puppy dog eyes*

[MathBlade]

I was thinking that Mastina wasn't being fair to April and he was probably flipping town based on the replace out, his frustration posts, tone not differing much from ongoing.
I was leaning slightly town on Mastina at this point, but and correct me if I'm wrong I believe mastina was originally named Mastin on this site? And based on very dated Meta I did not wish to underestimate their scum game even slightly and their strategizing so I was being careful in weighing them given my depressed brain.

Mastina is a she. She, I believe had the handle mastin at a point but is Mastina now. I’d differentiate the two because reasons unrelated to mafia. While she has always been herself she is a very good scum player as well.

[MathBlade]

the correct play is for the day to go on and we keep talking and hunting but part of me is rdy for him to just eliminate someone.

There comes a point where the day just ends organically and more talking hurts town.

Once we get the remaining claims, the day will hit that point. So we should keep our talks to a minimum (which is why I didn't discuss my Chemist claim thoughts in public).

Uhoh I agree with the Titus hood.

Quick someone scumread me please? *puppy dog eyes*

I don't trust you fwiw.

Good all is right with the world.

[MathBlade]

Eh, you’ll be okay blade.

Wait I thought you didn’t care if he got hammered A50.

I think Chemist is town.
75% chance on Bell.

Random post is related not explaining

[MathBlade]

ok well hmmm. im VT. im not sure why A50 suspects me, beyond being in PoE.

Ewwww

[MathBlade]

ok well hmmm. im VT. im not sure why A50 suspects me, beyond being in PoE.

Ewwww

Yeah.

yeah.

Not a deflection. Am I 75% town or 75% scum.

Town. Sorry thought it was implied.

[MathBlade]

ok well hmmm. im VT. im not sure why A50 suspects me, beyond being in PoE.

Ewwww

Actually, that's not ew.

I'd expect scum to fake a PR here.

Uhm why? Sell me. That’s a ...weird take.

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why was a vt claim "ewwww", math?

It’s how she said it.

As Titus said “Why me? Fry me”

It doesn’t sit right with me.

I don’t know her though.

Titus seems to think she’s town and she was a town lean before that post.

So I was hoping she’d sell me

Because gut can be wrong

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Do we really know the wincons of goliath gouthwits health interns 1 2 and 3? Or are non-goaliath-gouthwits-health-interns-1-2-and-3-third-party-with-town-(possibly)-((ish))-wincon just playing them for suckers? I think this syntax is more clear and direct.

^Pretty much this.
You can be very technical and call the confirmed-nonscum to be confirmed-nonscum when they are, strictly speaking, confirmed to not be scum even though they are technically not town.

Or you can, for the sake of simplicity, just label them as conftown and save yourselves the headache.
This game has seven conftown right now.
That is a statement that is, strictly speaking, technically, not wholly accurate--but it is still accurate enough and far simpler to say than the alternative syntaxes, and conveys the point.

There's seven players who should never be eliminated during the day.

Still on the record I disagree with this in premise but there are way other bigger fish to fry.

If y’all make life hell like on the April day I will give 0 fucks because then you’re clearly scumsiding.

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As Titus said “Why me? Fry me”

yeah because the town response to being sussed for no reason is definitely to roll over and take it

Fair enough.

Guess I was paranoid then.

If two people say I am being dumb I will reset to before she posted and see what else comes up.

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I mean why me fry me is an oversimplification so massive as to be worse than useless. I would have no issues at all with a detailed case of why this particular instance of why me was scummy.

Meh it was just a gut feeling. Can’t really articulate it. You and Titus is good enough to tell me my gut was probably wrong.

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you guys really feel like DS going ham when I accused him of bussing is town?

What is “going ham”?

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guys, Tirus is gimmick caricature of a 2013 player. leave her alone.

You know you can say me right? I have already said and insulted my town game a lot already.

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It's that you're doing all that, while giving us little reason to believe that your motives are what you say they are.

We lynched scum D1 and the push on D2 was, while

wrong

(April flipped town), very very very obviously an

intent

to try and lynch a second scum--had April flipped scum, we'd have spearheaded the lynch of not one but TWO scum.

I feel that'd have been proof enough, yes? (You say that there's little reason to believe our motives are what we say they are, but we've said our motives are to lynch scum and we did so on D1 and tried to do so again on D2, albeit failing.)

Admittedly, April did not flip town, but the evidence that I really thought he would flip scum is pretty damn self-apparent.

I would say the emotion and the raw intensity of wanting her gone is proven. Whether you thought April was scum or just absolutely needed her gone for this “win con” is TBD.

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the push on D2 was, while wrong (April flipped town), very very very obviously an intent to try and lynch a second scum

I think it's within your wheelhouse to abuse the mechanical arguments like you did to deceptively push a mis-execution while claiming you're doing it out of an intent to kill scum.

There was really not as good a reason as you say to not out your reasoning, and if you had, one of your major points (that the neighborize is ninja and April couldn't have seen Titus act) would have been demolished.

You scare me sometimes you know that right?

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I don't understand either of those responses

It scares me how similar we think mechanically. We’re almost brothers with our responses.

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You guys did the chess thing with the April execution. I predicted that the reasons were dumb, and when they were revealed today, lo and behold they were in fact dumb.

The reasons were not dumb. People keep going, "mastina thought April was scum, confbiasing the mechanical reasons to be stronger", OR, "the mechanical reasons were the only reason for suspecting April, and they were weak", but neither of those viewpoints is an accurate representation of the facts; it's simultaneously both and neither (but far more of the former than the latter, that is to say, while neither is accurate, the former is much closer to accurate than the latter).

I had a very very legitimate, reads-based, play-based, actual ingame no mechanics involved, good reason to scumread April and this was not something kept in the secret of the neighborhood; if you iso me, these reasons were on display on D2. Those reasons were not dumb. Wrong, but not dumb.

There were mechanical reasons for April to be scum. These mechanical reasons were things that of the members of the neighborhood, everyone aside from me said they were less damning than I thought they were. They were right, the reasons were in fact less damning than I thought they were, because April was town, not scum.

But I cased April as scum based on believing FL had TMI, defended scum D1, was trying to fight back on D2 while knowing if he didn't scum would lose from the townbloc due to the 3p, and

then

the mechanical reasons

on top

of that. That he was trying to tailor his claim to what he thought was evidence in the setup supporting that as a fakeclaim, a low-risk high-reward claim that he thought would fit while not actually fitting.

I was wrong, but that doesn't mean the reasons were dumb. They were wrong. Not dumb. I will take full blame for being wrong; it was a fuckup on my side for pushing it so hard while being wrong--but it was not for dumb reasons. It was for reasonable reasons that were incorrect. A mistake, but not from idiocy. No less of a mistake, it was still one, a rather bad one, but it was not a moronic mistake, it was a mistaken-mistake.

Can we agree to disagree and move on? At minimum conf bias territory.

I fail to see how this is protown.

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I am just gonna pretend the post above didn’t happen. Thanks for the town comment though.

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Mastina, there’s not enough words or hugs or anything that make me wish you didn’t post those last two posts. There’s no fuckin way I can save this game now. Wow. Just wow.

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you guys really feel like DS going ham when I accused him of bussing is town?

What is “going ham”?

It was an argument of if there was scum it’s Pickaxe.

but why him and not any of the three players @ the end? that's where I'd expect to find scum if there were any.

Ugh, then tell them to shape up. They're getting on my nerves.

Why is DS town, SB? I felt like his "oh I'm so annoyed @ Nero!" b/c I feel like there's a good chance that scum bussed Gamma and it came from 1 or more of TPG, Chemist or DS. I mean you could argue that DS actully reacting was a town reaction as where chemist and TPG just totally ignored it (at least I think but I don't ever remember a reaction.)

Are you blind or dumb? Or illiterate?

I was defending gamma and was leading the counter wagon. If you’re going to claim I’m scum, at least fucking read instead of speaking out your ass.

I was defending gamma and was leading the counter wagon.

and you should be town read for that?

Your reasoning for scum reading was literally “gamma was being bussed by one of someone, someone, and DS”.

I get it. You don’t actually care about internal consistency. But still.

Also, @A50. I’m done dealing with this shit (this shit not concerning you). We need to start weeding through these 3P. I won’t be egocentric and say it had to be Nero, but I think that you being a king for a day would be a solid opportunity to sort through it.

Alright Nero. I think I’ve figured it out. If you’re not scum, then you must actually have 2 split personalities that share no information between the two. That is the only way that there could be such a massive disparity and lack of consistency between the shit you spew.

the guy accused me of being inconsistent and then can't back it up then argues that b/c it was a "lolhammer" it couldn't have been a scum bud hammering a scumbud for town cred.

Bro, you’re raising gaslighting to an art form.

I’ve pointed out multiple ways that you were inconsistent. Hopefully the other players graduated from kindergarten and learned to read, unlike you.

This shit’s kept me up for longer than I should have let it. Good riddance.

I will give Diamond Sentinel a solid review later. Promise.

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Suddenly, I am missing from Mastina's posts and even I think from a quote edit of morning's and
I feel like later Mastina's going to do a post-reveal about why I'm town or something.

Just let it go. Focus on non hood.

I have kinda accepted they’re just gonna do stupid things.

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i feel the same way about u

Some things. Some things never change.

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Hey Titus can i has one of those things you gave A50 to smash DDL with please?

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Jeez. You're like actually throwing at this point, no? It's nearly impossible to not see you as scum RN.

Lmao turn about is fair play I suppose for my diamond context earlier.

I know you meant DDL but karma is hilarious.

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If you scum read me wrong it's your perogative don't take it out on me

Sounds like defeated scum that can’t get rid of the block to me.

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i mean, unless pete is scum and im not so sure he is then I think its only logical to think that there's scum in you chemist or TPG. Otherwise, the Gamma wagon was all town and im not sure that's a thing. You getting really upset @ my for suggesting that just seems really scummy to me.

Devils advocate Nero.

It was a thing in the game of which we do not speak.

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It also would match my tiny day one vca.

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Alright, so I'm rereading Gamma's post-hammer stuff.

Do we have any information about MM? I

really

read that last interaction with Gamma as similar to my PMyLo frustration at my scum buddies. Like, I'd almost bet my life's savings that they're scum from that.

That's about as much as I have concrete stuff on, but I'm a bit skeptical of TGP and DDL here. TGP has similar vibes to MM and I'm unsure about the passing DDL remark.

That being said, these are contradictory conclusions. I'll delve through the rest of Gamma later (because I didn't do that yesterday. I didn't do a whole lot of anything yesterday, admittedly).

Mm is in the Alliance. (The council went through a corporate rebranding)

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Alright, so I'm rereading Gamma's post-hammer stuff.

Do we have any information about MM? I

really

read that last interaction with Gamma as similar to my PMyLo frustration at my scum buddies. Like, I'd almost bet my life's savings that they're scum from that.

That's about as much as I have concrete stuff on, but I'm a bit skeptical of TGP and DDL here. TGP has similar vibes to MM and I'm unsure about the passing DDL remark.

That being said, these are contradictory conclusions. I'll delve through the rest of Gamma later (because I didn't do that yesterday. I didn't do a whole lot of anything yesterday, admittedly).

Mm is in the Alliance. (The council went through a corporate rebranding)

And that's the one with SB? The set of 3?

Alliance = 2 hoods + Norway

Mm is in the hood with A50 and superbowl

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Alright. That makes me feel a lot better about this. Titus' hood notwithstanding, I

really

don't like MM/SB's hood (I don't remember their third). While they may not be "scum", I don't think that they are town-aligned with their wincon at all. There are 2 of the 3 members who are super scummy.

PEdit: Hmm, with A50? Well, if they're not the "scum faction", I don't feel bad about thinking that they're a non-town aligned King (although is that an innate part of their role or did they get it from the peanut gallery?

Titus claimed it iirc.

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lol @ sb for thinking anyone actually paid attention to his diagram

I paid attention to the cuteness of it

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Alright. That makes me feel a lot better about this. Titus' hood notwithstanding, I

really

don't like MM/SB's hood (I don't remember their third). While they may not be "scum", I don't think that they are town-aligned with their wincon at all. There are 2 of the 3 members who are super scummy.

PEdit: Hmm, with A50? Well, if they're not the "scum faction", I don't feel bad about thinking that they're a non-town aligned King (although is that an innate part of their role or did they get it from the peanut gallery?

HOW DUDE? HOW DO YOU NOT KNOW BASIC MECHANICAL INFO AT THIS STAGEEEEEEEEE

Calm. Caaaaaaalm. Sending caaaaaalm vibes.

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April Ludgate (11): mastina, NorwegianboyEE, shellyc, superbowl9, Titus, MathBlade, TheGoldenParadox, Tayl0r Swift, April Ludgate, Nero Cain, Almost50

Here there's at least two scum in this. If you don't want to vote in your going squad vote shellyc

I actually think there may be zero scum in this and that scum thought town would turn on itself if they avoided it.

Intrigued. What do you think scum were doing instead?

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You wrote 5 paragraphs to say 5 words

Lean scum on chemists claim

What she just wrote is short for Mastina.

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I don't write things down and this is nearly 6k posts in about 20 days. You can't hardly blame me for not keeping up with this 100% when you guys are constantly shitposting. Plus, my memory is notoriously bad about things. I am paying some semblance of attention and I keep a bit of the info in my mind, but I just have a hard time retaining it all.

Sue me.

Im gonna not respond to this for my mental health

Tag. You’re tagged out sb.

I got this (or ask your hood mates). I will get him caught up if he asks something.

Besides more ways to hunt him.

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@Math, I am cooperating. There's only so far we can "cooperate". We're never going to be persuaded on arguments we know to be false.

You want to be heard on arguments we know to be false.
You want to feel like your arguments on things we know to be false have a chance.
We literally cannot give you that chance without being antitown.

You want to feel heard on mastina scum by the council of 7.
The council knows that to be false.

Because of this, you dig your heels in deeper because we won't cooperate and explain.

There's a difference between not trusting our claims and tossing our reads out because of us townreading each other. Nero and I strongly disagree with our reads on you. That's ok. We're both town.

You do nothing to persuade Nero that you're town by insisting we must cooperate, when we've done literally all we can. I have depants where I could (even to when I arguably shouldn't regarding the kingmaker protecting A50).

I'd love to discuss my SS read with you. It has nothing to do with the 3p situation (minus them buddying you).

@DS

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Didn’t you literally just say play is null?

Not exactly.
I said I felt jjh's relative inactivity, jjh's lurkiness, jjh's lack of contributions to the game, jjh's lack of overall content, which is the majority of his 'play' this game, is null, because I don't think it is an accurate indicator of his alignment, even though it used to be.

I feel that what little content/play he has given in spite of the inactivity, lurkiness, and lack of contributions, does indicate loosely town.

Way too long a time for no content. Lurker is pretty much autoscum for me. Especially with how many 3Ps exist.

Jjh needs to pull a miracle for me to see him as town.

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Lurker is pretty much autoscum for me. Especially with how many 3Ps exist

haven't we established as a site that activity level is a horrible way to judge alignment?

Lurker in a theme = autodeath? That was the rules a year ago ish.

Did that change?

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Cool it seemed like you hadn’t reset so I was concerned. This is good. I don’t agree with some of it, but it’s good to know you actually reset or are really good at faking it (less and less likely).

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Ordinary town/King Doris Donnatello's Army.
NorwegianBoyee -
MathBlade-
shellyc-
Something_Smart-
Chemist1422- Gosippee: N1 target Titus. N2 Target: ?
jjh927 - Aesthetic
Tayl0r Swift - VT
Pickaxe Pete-
DiamondSentinel-
TheGoldenParadox-
DrDolittle-

Flips:
Gamma: King Doris Donnaello's army: 1 Shot alien
Ban Hydras: Killed N1. VT.
Menalque: Killed N1. Town tracker.
AprilLudgate: Eliminated D2. Town motion detector. N1 target Titus.
PlusJoyed: Killed N2. disloyal odd-night alignment cop inventor.


The Council: Not confirmed town to one another. They deduced that they were all town.
Win condition: Slight conflicting accounts: Stated at least one of them must be on every scum elimination.

They have two PT's: One for Nerocain, Mastina and Titus and a separate neighborhood with Nerocain, mastina, titus, A50 and NorwegianBoyee.
Titus: Neighborizor.
Mastina:mason(?) tracker-inventor N2 doctor. N1: Made Mena a tracker. N2: ? That's fine.
Nerocain: Some sort of god king hammer giver.
A50: Recruited N1. Still considered town+ and their win condition has not been altered.
Norwegianboyee: Recruited N2. Mechanically cleared. Still considered town and their win condition has not been altered?

Gouthwits health interns: Confirmed town+ to one another.
Win Condition: More closely aligned with town's win condition than the councils'.
Morning Mage.
A50
SB

Am I missing anything?

Council doesn’t have its own wincon.

The A50 hood has one
And The Titus hood has one
These may or may not be the same.

Recruitment into a hood cannot change your wincon ever.

The idea is that we gotta focus on the non 3Ps

Some of those powers in the Titus hood I think were general faction abilities. I don’t remember which. Since they all claim to share the same alignment think of them as one player multitasking.

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N2 Target they claimed is me. No idea if it’s true or not.

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To be fair I think Chemists N2 of me is true.

I just can’t confirm it.

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^^that was hyperbole, a50 don't ACTUALLY shoot me

I’m actually okay with TGP being the shot but it’s unlikely since he didn’t ask for your claim.

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I would rather ddl be the shot but tgp isn’t bad either.

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This is one of those things where like,

We can eliminate DDL whenever, but we only get one GodKing Hammer and I'm not sure if we should go for safety or for the 360 noscope from N50.

Almost50 May kill me for answering this early but this game feels very don’t count your chickens while before they are hatched.

Sure a god hammer has its reasons but in this case with mechanical info it’s better to go for the safe play even if it hits town.
The main issue is if A50 god hammers then we are no better off no wagon data.

Say he hits scum, we lose all the “who was protecting X” and “who was tunneling X” a day gives.

Mafia is built around those concepts before powers before anything.

So while I want to shoot TGP, I would shoot DDL 9/10 times

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Yeah, I suppose as town I should want him to go for the safe option.

We could give him the Vest I guess and just let him do the safe thing and then lead the town to victory tomorrow.

I have my reasons for saying this but A50 wants Norway to have the vest Norway gets it.

I have a feeling the hoods will be good. Just pretend they don’t exist except for reads.

A lot of this mechanics is noise.

Just pretend it’s vanilla.

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I feel condescended to with all of this talk of inclusion and exclusion.

Condescended? How so?

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He said bad day.
Leave him be, we all have bad days.
We can question him tmrw.

Fair enough if A50 doesn’t shoot him.

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He said bad day.
Leave him be, we all have bad days.
We can question him tmrw.

is this me youre talking to? you can question me now. im here.

He was talking to me about Pete.

He said he felt condescended to.

I want everyone to feel included.

Everyone has more fun I get more reads.

Huzzah happy funball day!

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I think s_s would be more engaged with all the claims/ set up spec if town here.

what's to talk about? it's a schadd game, you can't setup spec it on day 2, or at all really.

S_S you don't seem to be hunting much

look if I'm given the opportunity to engage fully in a game through exclusively mechanics discussion, I'm taking it ninety-nine times out of a hundred.

I am not good at hunting (and I missed an entire day), but I am good at mechanics, and this game needs all the mechanics help it can get.

this progression from SS pings me quite hard and i don't like it at all. d2 he barely engages with setup spec discussion, then does an absolutely massive flip d3 despite not REALLY that much new information. then he uses that as an excuse to not have reads and not hunt. maybe i'm in the minority here, but SS is pinging me very, very hard.

quoting this bc only one person responded to this and i think it's kind of important

Response? You scumread SS? Okay?

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I strongly suggest a new topic Something Smart.

Pants are things.

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He's contradicting himself a lot. Normally, I wouldn't find this scummy/easy fruit but for a variety of reasons I can't quite articulate this might be one of those exceptions to the rule.

Sounds like a bad rule.

Contradiction implies lack of a plan. You're right that I didn't intend to focus on reads but that doesn't mean I won't get some on the side, and the best kinds of reads are the ones that you don't force anyway.

Your rule should be that contradiction is towny, because the person cares more about doing what they feel like doing in the moment than about projecting a consistent story.

Haha no. This imho is all kinds of bad.

Some contradiction is Townie some is scummy. It really depends on the situation.

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After all don’t you scumread the council for contradicting wincon claims?

“But that’s different!”

Me Exactly

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I mean yes obviously no rule covers 100% of cases. It's a heuristic. Contradiction is towny, without a particular reason to believe otherwise.

Only if it’s minor yeah.

I really don’t subscribe to this.

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I have a feeling the hoods will be good. Just pretend they don’t exist except for reads.

A lot of this mechanics is noise.

Just pretend it’s vanilla.

Yeah good but how did you get to this from your maths vs mason

Through mathemagics.

No really it’s super complicated and involves way too much to say at close to midnight.

It’s more of a “If we don’t trust them we’re sorta f’d”

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there was alot of ms vs. math and then me and later ppl vs. S_S


a50 says to claim or die

This is 100% serious shelly

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i dont think day ends with a majority

No, it doesn't. But it does end when I decide to execute someone (between Taylor & Chemist.. maybe shelly too), so I would like to ensure the BP is assigned before I do.

Now. here's a request:

@Tayl0r Swift
@Chemist
@shelly

You should all claim in your next post. It'd be better if you also provided a read list and any other final thoughts. Treat this as your final post of the game. Thank you.

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I frankly don't think donatellos army is as big of a threat as the "conf town 3p crew"

Look we already know ur sxum, can u go back to lurking ok?

What do you make of shelly not claiming?

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I frankly don't think donatellos army is as big of a threat as the "conf town 3p crew"

Look we already know ur sxum, can u go back to lurking ok?

What do you make of shelly not claiming?

she refused to claim??

No outright refusal but she didn’t do it after being brought up a few times.

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you could certainly read it as claim stall if you want.

May I please hear Norway’s opinion?

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what did the others claim?

Chemist gossipee N1 Titus “glad to see” (paraphrase it’s late)
N2 MathBlade nothing

Tayl0r vt

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More specifics in thread about to crash any quick questions?

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what does the chemist gossipee thing mean sorry?

Pick person

Anything that happens you get a phase close to what happened I don’t remember if you get anything else it’s been a whiiiiile

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@SS What decision do you not understand? It looks like you’re just kissing up to Math.

@Math - Norway confirms us as not Army. A50 confirms us as not Army. What more "outside" perspective do you need to confirm us as not Army?

Our team has mod confirmed information Army has 5 members and they are the only scum. New data won't change mod confirmation. That is unless you're referring to something else.

The only town objecting are you and DS. You're buddyable and DS was buddied by scum D1. It's in the VCA too.

We can't break a rebellion that's in your DNA because you can't accept some people knowing more than you.

That’s the thing.

Unless Norway has checked you somehow (ffs don’t say this) it isn’t. Norway has confirmed that they are in your PT and heard claims from you. You’re focused on confirming goodness and using the rod of “my highway” vs being town and hoping people follow.

That is part of the problem. You “know” there were 5 army at the start of the game. You “know” your teammates are not scum. You “know” x. We hear “Claim X”.

I can literally type “hey it’s mod confirmed the masons are all town and there is one serial killer.” (This is imho false) it has no evidence/confirmation. You’re trying to fling your weight around as if you’re the greatest gift on earth instead of cooperating.

Because of that people don’t trust your claims.

I wish you were in my PT... i needed some of this sanity long ago

Just gonna sneak this in.
Wish it right back.

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TGP has been scummy all round. imo, scum!them don't have their heart in it and it's rather obvious.

i

love

playing as scum. this is really bad attempted meta based off of two games, the scumgame out of the two being one where i died n1.

Forced distancing?

Shelly +TGP?

If A50 plans to shoot in the trio he said imho shoot Shelly for the way she claimed and this post by TGP.

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Don’t nudge A50.

??? What does this mean???

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If A50 plans to shoot in the trio he said imho shoot Shelly for the way she claimed and this post by TGP.

it will narrow down the PoE further

yeah I'm not trying to live because there's a slim chance that I do + my WIM for this game has dropped to an all-time low. Just Stick With The Plan and The Solve

I didn't *intentionally* miss the things telling me to claim. If I was scum do I stall it out only to come back with a VT claim.

Imho yes. I think your desire is low due to the 3P claims

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Imho yes. I think your desire is low due to the 3P claims

I've been an avid supporter of them since forever

It's how this thread implodes each day + idk I am just not feeling this game for some reason and it feels solved yet is not going full steam ahead at all?

Probably because you can’t not be a supporter of them.

And A50 ends the day. Tbh shoulda been ended a while back just making lemonade here.

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yeah but it doesnt help me engage unless you actually push me. call me out. quiz me on stuff.

What do you think about the Night Kills so far?

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What you're doing right now, asking people to make you useful is passively scummy in a sort of generic way.
Does that help?

Not so sure on that. The game is pretty big. If it was a short easy to keep up with game I’d agree.

This could go both ways.

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yeah but it doesnt help me engage unless you actually push me. call me out. quiz me on stuff.

What do you think about the Night Kills so far?

odd that scum isnt shooting in the 3ps that seem to have wayyyy too much power. also dont understand the Ban Hydras kill. that slot was widely scumread so its probably a vig, although the vig should have just listened when i said the slot was obvtown. theres also too much town power for town to have any protectives so the fact that there was only one death last night is interesting. last nights kill again proves that there are no protectives because it was kinda obvious.

Kinda wish you hadn’t have said that last part. I agree with most of this except a tiny bit but I don’t think that’s relevant for now. I can see this as a theory.

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What you're doing right now, asking people to make you useful is passively scummy in a sort of generic way.
Does that help?

Not so sure on that. The game is pretty big. If it was a short easy to keep up with game I’d agree.

This could go both ways.

I'm trying to help. In the most lazy way possible. Don't scrutinize it.

Telling me not to scrutinize something is like asking water not to be wet.

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@TaylorSwift
Top three town reads
Top three scum reads
Ignore 3Ps
Go!

[MathBlade]

First question: Well yes and no sort of erm it’s complicated. XD so sure?

I mostly wanted to see your thoughts on the inner sphere of the game. I don’t think there’s really any antitown sentiment to consider the 3Ps today. Besides A50 isn’t likely to shoot any alliance members anyway.

Norway is conf not Army (still not convinced this is confTown but close enough for now) because of one of the day opens.

Why is SS town to you?

[MathBlade]

SS had an interaction with me early on that felt genuine in a way that i thought it would only ever come from town even though the things being said were NAI.

What interaction?

@DS That’s not always true. Sometimes the weirdest shit post can gather the best responses. Works great in slow games. I also don’t think her entire ISO is shit posts.

Why do you say it is?

[MathBlade]

I don’t know if I like you couldn’t find it. Gonna have to ruminate on that a bit.

Is Tayl0r known for citing posts?