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Post Post #1617 (isolation #200) » Wed Dec 21, 2022 10:35 am

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In post 1357, demona wrote:
In post 1347, Chara wrote:Isis is scum at... i want to say 80% confidence, which for me is very high. this is the outcome i expected if demona wasn't swapped out, though that doesn't mean i'm any more prepared for the next phase.
feel free to vote for isis

i would be super happy to play as confirmed (noone is
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On reread this is actually p bad imo
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Post Post #1625 (isolation #201) » Wed Dec 21, 2022 10:48 am

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Actually rereading today's posts i think coral looks a lot more townir than she did yesterday
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Post Post #1635 (isolation #202) » Wed Dec 21, 2022 11:29 am

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In post 1533, absinthe wrote:
In post 1528, skitter30 wrote:
In post 1514, absinthe wrote:skitter -- I'm trying to decide which makes more sense. That you were moved out of the Gate because of your alignment or because of your reads.
Plz elaborate on the 'because of your alignment' bit
Either there were two scum in the gate, the scum in the keep thought you'd misread them, or it's purely shenanigans.

In the first game, the swap was part shenanigans and part to increase the probability of scum winning the keep. The scum ratio at the start of night 1 were 1-1-1.
So i guess which of these do you think is the world we live in?
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Post Post #1641 (isolation #203) » Wed Dec 21, 2022 11:47 am

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In post 1562, demona wrote:but also would rather play isis votes chara or chara votes isis and everyone solves as if demona confirmed
From my pov this is not a given and i dont really like you presenting your minigame this way
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Post Post #1642 (isolation #204) » Wed Dec 21, 2022 11:54 am

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In post 1589, catboi wrote:
In post 1582, skitter30 wrote:
In post 1574, catboi wrote:but coral is arguing that me doing so would make it unnecessary to actually resolve the keep and get my flip and that it's sooo much more valuable to treat the other voices here as confirmed town
Coral seems to think thay both town need to vote town to win keep
(Which is wrong and is what prompted my question)
I think her post makes more sense in context
no, she literally is arguing that we should not resolve the keep if I vote and spend days yakking it up while treating me as scum which is beyond nonsensical but provides a ton of benefit to her if she knows she's about to eat shit when I flip
Ig i'm confused why from your pov she looks bad when you flip {town from your pov}
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Post Post #1646 (isolation #205) » Wed Dec 21, 2022 12:08 pm

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In post 1619, demona wrote:
In post 1617, skitter30 wrote:
In post 1357, demona wrote:
In post 1347, Chara wrote:Isis is scum at... i want to say 80% confidence, which for me is very high. this is the outcome i expected if demona wasn't swapped out, though that doesn't mean i'm any more prepared for the next phase.
feel free to vote for isis

i would be super happy to play as confirmed (noone is
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On reread this is actually p bad imo
it just makes everything less frustrating for me

like you’ve played with me enough to know i don’t exactly react super well to being suspected/pressured et cetera and often end up making a mess of things and to just skip the potential of that altogether would be pretty ideal to me

do you really think that post outweighs everything you were previously townreading me for?

or?
Ok this might not be super fair given my approach to keep

But like i don't think you're in a position to strongly push to effectively hammer tesf yourself just now, and from my pov i see a lot of scum motivation for doing so, and i do not have a strong enuf reason to townread you to be willing to bet the minigame on that at thia point in time

It doesn't like make me scumread you outright but posts like that make me concerned and nervous
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Post Post #1648 (isolation #206) » Wed Dec 21, 2022 12:10 pm

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I probably still think demona is town but not strongly enuf rn to bet the minigame on that

Is probably a good way to say it
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Post Post #1649 (isolation #207) » Wed Dec 21, 2022 12:12 pm

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In post 1645, catboi wrote:
In post 1642, skitter30 wrote:
In post 1589, catboi wrote:
In post 1582, skitter30 wrote:
In post 1574, catboi wrote:but coral is arguing that me doing so would make it unnecessary to actually resolve the keep and get my flip and that it's sooo much more valuable to treat the other voices here as confirmed town
Coral seems to think thay both town need to vote town to win keep
(Which is wrong and is what prompted my question)
I think her post makes more sense in context
no, she literally is arguing that we should not resolve the keep if I vote and spend days yakking it up while treating me as scum which is beyond nonsensical but provides a ton of benefit to her if she knows she's about to eat shit when I flip
Ig i'm confused why from your pov she looks bad when you flip {town from your pov}
b/c the attempts to marginalize/minimize me and my voice in my game while i'm active comes across as overtly pro-scum and someone who is likely to look very bad when the keep flips.


(it has crossed my mind that coral is just town with horrendous reasoning. i've been too soft on people who pushed me like that recently though and paid for it. this is complicated by absinthe's entrance to the day being mediocre)
If i were coral i'd be a lot more worried abt you flipping scum than town as either alignment
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Post Post #1651 (isolation #208) » Wed Dec 21, 2022 12:14 pm

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This is where i'm at:
- gate: ffery scum
- wall: demona is still probably town (?) and i'm not sure which of isis/chara is scum
- keep: catboi is probably scum and i have a *very* strong preference for catboi/prism to vote me over me voting prism
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Post Post #1652 (isolation #209) » Wed Dec 21, 2022 12:15 pm

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She looks p bad if you're scum
I don't think she looks that bad here if you're town tbh
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Post Post #1657 (isolation #210) » Wed Dec 21, 2022 12:18 pm

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Those are separate thoughts
1. I think ffery and you are probably scum here

2. Totally separate thought, i don't follow your argument that coral looks bad if you flip town, i don't think she really looks bad if you flip town at all. In contrast, if you were to flip scum, i think she would *look* bad irregardless of her alignment due to associatives with you (but that does not inherently make her scum)
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Post Post #1661 (isolation #211) » Wed Dec 21, 2022 12:24 pm

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It would but from my pov i don't know that you arent scum and are not just gonna hammer

And i'm not ready to test that yet

Pedit i'm confused i thought we were talking abt chara voting isis or vice versa
Why would chara vote you?
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Post Post #1663 (isolation #212) » Wed Dec 21, 2022 12:26 pm

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In post 1660, catboi wrote:
In post 1657, skitter30 wrote:Those are separate thoughts
1. I think ffery and you are probably scum here

2. Totally separate thought, i don't follow your argument that coral looks bad if you flip town, i don't think she really looks bad if you flip town at all. In contrast, if you were to flip scum, i think she would *look* bad irregardless of her alignment due to associatives with you (but that does not inherently make her scum)
how in your mind does coral look bad based off that?
Yesterday's associtiaves with you when a lot of peipke were speculating catboi/coral/third

You flipping scum there means the overall solve might still be correct and it would make sense to go after coral next.

You flipping town would negate that solve

Pedit yes i acknowledged what you want to say there already, it is somewhat hypocritical
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Post Post #1665 (isolation #213) » Wed Dec 21, 2022 12:28 pm

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I dont want to be the voter, i want {either of you} to vote me
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Post Post #1666 (isolation #214) » Wed Dec 21, 2022 12:29 pm

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If i had to vote it would likely be prism still tho
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Post Post #1670 (isolation #215) » Wed Dec 21, 2022 1:00 pm

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I didnt, like, fully get how keep works, i get it now >.>
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Post Post #1672 (isolation #216) » Wed Dec 21, 2022 1:01 pm

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In post 1667, catboi wrote:people were speculating that as a hypothetical but but that doesn't actually suggest a meaningful associative link, no? it beingin people's guesses isn't damning, people can be right on one player and wrong on another
Fair enuf, i'm just not conviced that coral comes out worse than you in your interaction with her
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Post Post #1673 (isolation #217) » Wed Dec 21, 2022 1:01 pm

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Catboi are u leaning towards me being town in the keep now?
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Post Post #1678 (isolation #218) » Wed Dec 21, 2022 1:51 pm

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I do want to try to solve the other games before locking in this one

I will say i am very confused by which of the 2 of you is scum / why you put me here and are angling towards voting me tho, i'll be curious to here the reasoning in post

I also did just reread isis's iso and didnt get much ai out of it tbh
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Post Post #1708 (isolation #219) » Wed Dec 21, 2022 3:02 pm

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can you both take a break plz ? >.>
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Post Post #1716 (isolation #220) » Wed Dec 21, 2022 3:18 pm

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rereading chara's iso i'm getting a lot of happy townvibes
idk how much weight to put into that but yeah
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Post Post #1718 (isolation #221) » Wed Dec 21, 2022 3:19 pm

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sadz :/
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Post Post #1724 (isolation #222) » Wed Dec 21, 2022 3:26 pm

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that was prob directed more towards prism than you
but at this point we should probably move on

but ty for trying to disengage
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Post Post #1731 (isolation #223) » Wed Dec 21, 2022 4:01 pm

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In post 1727, Isis wrote:
In post 1716, skitter30 wrote:rereading chara's iso i'm getting a lot of happy townvibes
idk how much weight to put into that but yeah
Chara's d1 is pretty happyvibes yes
And its scumgame is more joyless, it's almost a watermark
Yes but if it's town
I'm left with scum-you
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Post Post #1737 (isolation #224) » Wed Dec 21, 2022 4:22 pm

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In post 1735, Coral wrote:
In post 1731, skitter30 wrote:
In post 1727, Isis wrote:
In post 1716, skitter30 wrote:rereading chara's iso i'm getting a lot of happy townvibes
idk how much weight to put into that but yeah
Chara's d1 is pretty happyvibes yes
And its scumgame is more joyless, it's almost a watermark
Yes but if it's town
I'm left with scum-you
Are you confident in demona town, then?
No but i feel better abt town-demona than town-isis now
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Heya math
Not sure if this is gonna be a great replacement from my pov tbh
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Post Post #1745 (isolation #226) » Wed Dec 21, 2022 5:33 pm

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Tammy is ic'd at gate
Current consensus is ffery is scum there

Catboi/faker were both leaning towards voting me in keep, which is good

And wall is the difficult one
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Post Post #1746 (isolation #227) » Wed Dec 21, 2022 5:33 pm

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We don't have a great track record of reaching each other
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Post Post #1747 (isolation #228) » Wed Dec 21, 2022 5:34 pm

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I was somewhat lost on who was town in catboi/faker
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Post Post #1753 (isolation #229) » Wed Dec 21, 2022 5:39 pm

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In post 1748, absinthe wrote:
In post 1745, skitter30 wrote:Current consensus is ffery is scum there
Is this actually consensus? not rebutting it, yet at least. I have a lot of pages to read.
I think more people think you're scum than coral
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Post Post #1757 (isolation #230) » Wed Dec 21, 2022 5:44 pm

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Look at the daystart vc
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Post Post #1759 (isolation #231) » Wed Dec 21, 2022 5:48 pm

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In post 1756, MathBlade wrote:
In post 1327, Ydrasse wrote:
FINAL VOTE COUNT
[3] Gumdrop Gate: skitter30, Coral, Tempest
[3] Wafer Wall: demona, Isis, Chara
[3] Krampus Keep: Faker, absinthe, catboi

Tempest is automatically assigned to the Gumdrop Gate.

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We know Tempest is town. So first mini game clear.

We know that demona Isis and Chara contains a town and me, absinthe, catboi contains a town.
I'm saying that with the swap these conclisions are not necessarily correct
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Post Post #1761 (isolation #232) » Wed Dec 21, 2022 5:50 pm

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Sigh
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Post Post #1764 (isolation #233) » Wed Dec 21, 2022 5:56 pm

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We don't know how many town were in each preswap, post swap we know the scum distribution is 1-1-1 so i would start there vs eod yesterday

And i'm just kinda dubious you're gonna got to me town-me so this minigame just became a lot harder
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Post Post #1766 (isolation #234) » Wed Dec 21, 2022 5:59 pm

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This is in the town-you universe, to be clear before people jump on me
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Post Post #1768 (isolation #235) » Wed Dec 21, 2022 5:59 pm

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Me?
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Post Post #1773 (isolation #236) » Wed Dec 21, 2022 6:18 pm

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Absinthe ig i kinda feel like you're ~around
But not really trying to solve the game tbh
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Post Post #1774 (isolation #237) » Wed Dec 21, 2022 6:18 pm

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And math i don't really think the swap points to me/ffery being the same alignment tbh
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Post Post #1777 (isolation #238) » Wed Dec 21, 2022 6:20 pm

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Why would it ?
It could only be that way if the minigames were unbalanced eod, and wd don't know that they were
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Post Post #1831 (isolation #239) » Thu Dec 22, 2022 12:41 am

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In post 1783, Coral wrote:I disagree with skitter and absinthe being for sure S/S. I think S/T is more likely. An S/S swap would likely be for the goal of hoping catboi and Faker turn on each other and vote the third, knowing they're more likely to do that with skitter than with absinthe. That's a possibility worth considering, but on play I think it's less likely.
Sorry, to clarify what i meant: svt and also tvt is possible, there's nothing ruling out either
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Post Post #1832 (isolation #240) » Thu Dec 22, 2022 12:46 am

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In post 1788, MathBlade wrote:What I find really odd is both you and Skitter disagree and one of you is scum. And only one. But you disagree in different ways. Which means something is close for one of you.
Math, there's nothing mechanically indicating that there has to be one scum in me/coral

We all know there's one town in each of the groups now, and that preswap is was 1/1/1 or 2/1/0. Any deeper mechanical conclusions is immature and you'll probably get pushback

P mich everyone in this pl has played with each other before, and we spent most of day1 trying to figure out what were the optimal matchups based on different people's abilities' to read each other mostly. You'll probably have better luck sorting this by reading though
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Post Post #1833 (isolation #241) » Thu Dec 22, 2022 12:49 am

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In post 1791, MathBlade wrote:
In post 1786, Coral wrote:
In post 1761, skitter30 wrote:Sigh
I was already leaning this way but I am a little tempted to just locktown skitter for this, as poor form as that is to do for a one-word post :shifty:

It was my exact reaction, and I don't think she gets much out of responding this way as scum considering she probably needs Math on her side. It makes it feel honest, and I think as scum her honest reaction would be more concerned or appeasing.
Never ever read Skitter honest as town.

Skitter has one of the best scum games on MS. And I’ve seen some doozies.

Skitter (and myself) are both top tier scum who do honest lying really really well.

I have no doubt that’s skitter’s emotion it’s a matter of why to sort her
I also think this isnt especially fair to me, but ok
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Post Post #1834 (isolation #242) » Thu Dec 22, 2022 12:54 am

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I think coral is p townie in the last few pages

I'm leaning p strongly towards ffery-scum now, so my next step is to reread ffery's iso at some point later today
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Post Post #1837 (isolation #243) » Thu Dec 22, 2022 2:42 am

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More sadz :/

I would conisder the big events to be:
- demona choosing wall
- chara and isis wanting to be played together
- faker putting pressure on ffery to choose keep
- daystart
- play in keep today

~

Fwiw my optimal resolution to keep is catboi voting me if town
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Post Post #1850 (isolation #244) » Thu Dec 22, 2022 8:05 am

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Or faker wanted this scenario
Hard to say
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Post Post #1852 (isolation #245) » Thu Dec 22, 2022 8:09 am

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I don't know, which is why i want one of you two to vote me
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Post Post #1854 (isolation #246) » Thu Dec 22, 2022 8:10 am

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I don't know what you're trying to say
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Post Post #1860 (isolation #247) » Thu Dec 22, 2022 8:57 am

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In post 1856, MathBlade wrote:It makes me wonder if you know I am town or not. After not wanting to analyze the case the last thing I want to do is vote you.
I don't understand, why does that statement make you question if i know you're town
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Post Post #1869 (isolation #248) » Thu Dec 22, 2022 9:37 am

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In post 1862, MathBlade wrote:
In post 1860, skitter30 wrote:
In post 1856, MathBlade wrote:It makes me wonder if you know I am town or not. After not wanting to analyze the case the last thing I want to do is vote you.
I don't understand, why does that statement make you question if i know you're town
You feel disconnected. Like you don’t want to figure out why the swap happened the way it did.

It’s either A) You set it up so Faker and Catboi would fight
Or B) Catboi made this world after interacting with it in the open
Or in your opinion C exists) Faker constructed this is possible

But not wanting to interact with any option or one of your own self making feels like a deliberate stall tactic. You must have some thoughts no?
I'm not stonewalling anything, or 'not trying to interact with one option or another' , and this is the approach that i've taken since well before you repped in. i'm a little frustrated because i think you routinely misflip me and don't know how to read me so this game that i was enjoying suddenly looks a lot less fun because you tend to be very antagonistic to everything that i say (see: here, where now i'm apparently 'stonewalling')

And i'm having a non-ideal day at work today so don't really have energy to bicker with you abt it rn but i can try to walk you through the different worlds from my pov later
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Post Post #1870 (isolation #249) » Thu Dec 22, 2022 9:39 am

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Like from my pov i was on the same page woth most people in the game
I am continuing to take the same approach
You have no context on any of this
You think i'm stonewalling
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Post Post #1876 (isolation #250) » Thu Dec 22, 2022 9:57 am

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I will answer your questions when i get home (later) tonight, i'm dealing with something significantly more critical irl at this moment

Saying that i 'won't answer your questions' or 'gaslighting' or 'cutting you off' you is extremely unfair and misreppy in context, especially since you can literally ask anyone else for the same context until i can get there
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Post Post #1877 (isolation #251) » Thu Dec 22, 2022 9:58 am

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In post 1855, MathBlade wrote:
In post 35, Faker wrote:This is way too fast for my brain atm LMAO

I know you're mostly joking but any game with me/you/skitter would be the biggest shitshow, but ~we'll see~
(Assuming “you” is Catboi as the thread implies)

You’re arguing that Faker intentionally made the game a shit show.

Assuming Faker is Prism, I know Prism didn’t but then combined with the other post quoted makes this a really hard sell.
Was this to me? I'm not even calling you scum, i never said faker has intentionally made the game a shitshow. From my pov it's implausible for both catboi and faker to have created this threesome, but we're here so i need to figure out who did it
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Post Post #1879 (isolation #252) » Thu Dec 22, 2022 9:59 am

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A reason for what? What are you asking me exactly

I'm saying you can ask literally anyone else for the background context
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Post Post #1882 (isolation #253) » Thu Dec 22, 2022 10:03 am

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Also fwiw your directing this to the wrong audience, if you're scum (which im thinking is increasingly likely) the only person you have to convince is catboi, ans you need him to vote you

Bickering with me isnt going to help woth that goal

Pedit i said that already at least twice since you repped in, but ok

Pedif2 i don't know, from my piv neither make much sense to have put mw here. I think it's less abt me and more abt ffery wanting out

I don't have a good explanation for either catboi or faker doing this, so it's just not such a good helpful avenue to explore, as i'll be reaching either way.
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Post Post #1896 (isolation #254) » Thu Dec 22, 2022 10:38 am

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Math is catboi scum here?
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Post Post #1908 (isolation #255) » Thu Dec 22, 2022 10:54 am

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We don't know the motivations for why scum made this swap
Using this as a pillar to solve anuthing else seems foolhardy to me
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Post Post #1916 (isolation #256) » Thu Dec 22, 2022 11:02 am

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Well i now think it's math-scum so
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Post Post #1923 (isolation #257) » Thu Dec 22, 2022 12:05 pm

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I had some niggling doubts abt prism, but not to the point where i would have been willing to act on them

I'm am honestly doubting if math is acting in good faith here and i'm questioning the read a lot
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Post Post #1980 (isolation #258) » Fri Dec 23, 2022 2:50 am

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In post 1969, MathBlade wrote:I get wanting to move the game along but the easiest way for that to happen might be I vote myself. I have to ask the mod a question but I think that works. Then the only way town wins and we achieve a hammer is by hammering me.

However this is drunk math talking so maybe this is a terrible idea.

Someone tell me this is terrible.
Is that legal?
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Post Post #1981 (isolation #259) » Fri Dec 23, 2022 2:52 am

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I'm feeling increasingly convinced it's just ffery at gate
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Post Post #1987 (isolation #260) » Fri Dec 23, 2022 4:39 am

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Ok but like her reads are too bad to look like she's solving either, abd coral looks like she is

Pedit r.e. ffery
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Post Post #1989 (isolation #261) » Fri Dec 23, 2022 4:40 am

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Can you change your vote after? What's stopping scum from doing that?

Ig i don't get the point

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No, i just don't get what the point of it is
Or maybe i'm missing something
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Post Post #1998 (isolation #263) » Fri Dec 23, 2022 4:51 am

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I thought the point of the keep was to vote *someone* else you think is town, which is why i was wondering

If math is town
And votes himself

The town in me/catboi (i.e. me) has to vote him, ehich seems unideal from my perspective

If math is scum
And votes himself
Me/catboi need to vote each other, and if math switches off .... i don't understand why it's a scumclaim to switch off here
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Post Post #2000 (isolation #264) » Fri Dec 23, 2022 4:51 am

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In post 1992, Chara wrote:
In post 1987, skitter30 wrote:Ok but like her reads are too bad to look like she's solving either, abd coral looks like she is

Pedit r.e. ffery
while this is true, is that really good enough for you? like, i get it and it just makes sense, but i think as has been said already we're in a game where it's not as simple as X is solving and Y isn't, therefore Y scum.

i do townread Coral and not absinthe, though.
No, this is just where i'm feeling at this time
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Post Post #2001 (isolation #265) » Fri Dec 23, 2022 4:52 am

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In post 1998, skitter30 wrote:Me/catboi need to vote each other, and if math switches off .... i don't understand why it's a scumclaim to switch off here
Like i get why it's a bad idea from scum-him perspective
Doesnt seem like a scumclaim to me
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Post Post #2002 (isolation #266) » Fri Dec 23, 2022 4:53 am

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In post 1997, MathBlade wrote:
In post 1987, skitter30 wrote:Ok but like her reads are too bad to look like she's solving either, abd coral looks like she is

Pedit r.e. ffery
Why are her reads bad?

Are they bad because you don’t reach the same conclusion? Or are they bad for some justifiable point?
They're very shallow and float-y and don't feel like she's solving the game
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Post Post #2009 (isolation #267) » Fri Dec 23, 2022 5:18 am

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Mechanics is just not my strong suit

Like ig i just don't see the point, i can vote myself too but i don't think it gets us any closer to solving this game

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Math if you're town here can we just take a step back and try to reach that mutually? Cuz if not we're not winning this
(As an aside i'm kinda confused why we're just hammering the 'skitter is scum' point to anyone that iant catboi, you havent tried talking to him at all and he's the one you have to convince to win this ...)

Also from my pov (and again, i know i'm the town here) you voting yourself doesnt substantially increase the odds of town winning this one because regardless of if you have a vote on you i'm not voting you if i'm not thoroughly convinced you're town, which i am not

I am open to being convinced tho
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Post Post #2012 (isolation #268) » Fri Dec 23, 2022 5:29 am

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I have to find the townie in you/catboi to win this / convince the townie in you/catboi to vote me to win

I have to solve this minigame to win it

Pedit i'm trying to snap out of it if i am wrong >.>
That isnt the way to do that tho
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Post Post #2014 (isolation #269) » Fri Dec 23, 2022 5:34 am

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I don't understand what you mean by that last sentence
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Post Post #2020 (isolation #270) » Fri Dec 23, 2022 5:41 am

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@math like from my pov i don't see why scum-you cant vote yourself, so it doesnt really convince me of everything

And i'm confused why you arent trying to solve/talk to catboi
Like even if you think i'm scum i'm confused ehy you wouldnt try to verify that by making sure you do, indeed, townread the other person

@catboi does math change how you're approaching this minigame at all?
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Post Post #2022 (isolation #271) » Fri Dec 23, 2022 5:57 am

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i mean tbf that's kinda what i feel like if you're town too
i do want to get there tho >.>

maybe it's easier for me to solve this thru catboi idk
i did strongly think it was prism-town at daystart, just a little worried i was getting snowed
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Post Post #2093 (isolation #272) » Sun Dec 25, 2022 6:27 am

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happy holidays all

my motivation's kinda dipped ngl

my ideal solution to keep is catboi/math voting me but that seems, like, increasing unlikely
herta not doing anything is probably like not ai but idk how to read the slot
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Post Post #2095 (isolation #273) » Sun Dec 25, 2022 10:05 am

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I don't really see a reason to trust her strategy over mine
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Post Post #2098 (isolation #274) » Sun Dec 25, 2022 2:37 pm

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i kinda reskimmed ffery's iso and there's like a lot of words but not a lot of towntelling or solving
and i'm not really sure still that i really see all the 'pressure' that faker was putting on her to go to keep, where was that happening ?

i don't really see much reason to townread her still
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Post Post #2100 (isolation #275) » Sun Dec 25, 2022 3:50 pm

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i still want math or catboi to vote me to resolve keep, not sure i'm really going to be changing my mind on that tbh
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Post Post #2117 (isolation #276) » Mon Dec 26, 2022 6:33 pm

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Still think you're not town ffery :(
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Post Post #2119 (isolation #277) » Mon Dec 26, 2022 6:46 pm

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Well
- why are you unsure of me
-i don't think my read on u is inherently based on activity, but rather your content when you are here
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Post Post #2121 (isolation #278) » Mon Dec 26, 2022 7:01 pm

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Wrt me - that isnt really anything i can address
And if i'm scum why do i want to be in keep anyways

And from my pov your content is *not* 'necessarily town content', it certainly doesnf look like it from where i'm sitting
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Post Post #2130 (isolation #279) » Tue Dec 27, 2022 5:04 am

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In post 2122, absinthe wrote:your pov is missing context.

Regarding the keep, because you thought you'd be townread? You keep reiterating that you want to be voted, not to vote.
Said this a lot, i think this was actually the worst possible keep for me

And yeah it's strictly better from my pov to be voted (as either alignment), why is it more likely to come from scum-me than town-me
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Post Post #2131 (isolation #280) » Tue Dec 27, 2022 5:06 am

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In post 2129, MathBlade wrote:
In post 2083, MathBlade wrote:Did Chara just do a ton of pages of stock in Waffle House?

Eg with me specifically “Math seems like he’s in his town meta but it’s fakeable so wait and see if he’s informed”

Non stance stances suck.

Can anyone explain why they townread it? I don’t understand.
I don’t like how everyone but Chara ignored this.
Ok, and like what does that imply for you ?

I'm getting increasingly sus of math
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Post Post #2134 (isolation #281) » Tue Dec 27, 2022 5:16 am

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You're making a lot of vague statements abt rhe gamestate with little conclusion and i don't feel like you're trying to solve or sort our minigame tbh
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Post Post #2136 (isolation #282) » Tue Dec 27, 2022 5:23 am

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In post 2133, MathBlade wrote:What I can tell is that when people ignore me there’s usually a reason so I need to find that catalyst. In that there’s the reason.
If a question isnt directed at someone in particular people might just ignore it. I don't think it has any broader implications and it's reach-y that you're trying to create some
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Post Post #2148 (isolation #283) » Tue Dec 27, 2022 11:20 am

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I'm really starting to doubt math is town here. I don't think he's solving, i think he's decided it's convenient to call me scummy and is now appealing to others to try to justify it, and isnt really doing much else. He's saying it's to solve the other two games but imo he hasnt really sone much to solve either

Like i couldnt tell you who he thinks is scum in either of the other two, can anyone else ?

And from my pov:
- it's strictly optimal to vote me, esp. if i'm unconfidant in either of the other two
-> i understand why people think this is scummy but for me to be scum here i decided to swap myself into keep (with two players i don't know how to read) and decide my best strategy is to just insist that the other two vote me, and keep insisting that through a replacement
- which is just, like, why ? .there's many easier ways to win a minigame than for scum-me to pick this fight
- and idk why i'm still bugging math, i should be buddying him here if i'm scum, not continuing to anatgonize him
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Post Post #2149 (isolation #284) » Tue Dec 27, 2022 11:21 am

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In post 2147, MathBlade wrote:I think town!Skitter would want me to vote her. I think her approach isn’t going to make me vote her. I think that’s because she’s not town skitter so she’s not taking a town approach.
Doesnt scum-me want this to? Why is this ai in either direction
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Post Post #2150 (isolation #285) » Tue Dec 27, 2022 11:22 am

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In post 2137, MathBlade wrote:Denying me reads (or spew if you think I am scum) is anti town.

Keeping focus on my game seems rather pointless.

If you and I are both town you’ll either have to break and vote me or catboi scum has to vote one of us and we hammer.
- who's denying you reads exactly?
- well i'm not going to break so. It'll have to be you or catboi
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Post Post #2151 (isolation #286) » Tue Dec 27, 2022 11:23 am

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Math: am i scum in the keep to you rn?
If you had to vote someone rn would it be catboi?
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Post Post #2152 (isolation #287) » Tue Dec 27, 2022 11:27 am

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In post 2148, skitter30 wrote:keep (with two players i don't know how to read)
Who know that i don't know how to read them
Who i'm afraid of as scum
Who know all of these things abt me
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Post Post #2157 (isolation #288) » Tue Dec 27, 2022 11:32 am

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In post 2153, MathBlade wrote:
In post 2136, skitter30 wrote:
In post 2133, MathBlade wrote:What I can tell is that when people ignore me there’s usually a reason so I need to find that catalyst. In that there’s the reason.
If a question isnt directed at someone in particular people might just ignore it. I don't think it has any broader implications and it's reach-y that you're trying to create some
The denying reads is in response to this.

Players were responding to other generalized statements but ignoring mine so I was sorting why.

It’s already increasingly difficult to play in ways I haven’t before. Ignoring posts makes it even more so.
How am i denying you anything, i'm making a statement that your prior statement abt nobody responding to your question was reaching.

What does that even mean? What exactly am i denying you here?
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Post Post #2161 (isolation #289) » Tue Dec 27, 2022 11:39 am

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I can't control the fact that nobody respinded to your statement abt chara?

I think that derivihg any meaning out of that lack of engagemt is reach-y, so i said so, yes

The original statement was around since saturday, idk how i'm denying anybody anything ?
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Post Post #2170 (isolation #290) » Tue Dec 27, 2022 11:58 am

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In post 2164, MathBlade wrote:
In post 2161, skitter30 wrote:I can't control the fact that nobody respinded to your statement abt chara?

I think that derivihg any meaning out of that lack of engagemt is reach-y, so i said so, yes

The original statement was around since saturday, idk how i'm denying anybody anything ?
For the tenth time is not all about you.

I was asking the game to get conversation going on a slot I had trouble reading.

Not responding at that moment until I brought it up again is bad.
You made this convo abt me ... >.>
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Post Post #2171 (isolation #291) » Tue Dec 27, 2022 11:58 am

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Actually i shouldnt have posted that, sorry
Taking a step back now
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Post Post #2174 (isolation #292) » Tue Dec 27, 2022 12:04 pm

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Coral what do you think abt the pressure faker put on absinthe to go yo keep?

They're both saying the pressure was strong, but reading through i don't really get that vibe tbh?
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Post Post #2178 (isolation #293) » Tue Dec 27, 2022 1:04 pm

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In post 2150, skitter30 wrote:
In post 2137, MathBlade wrote:Denying me reads (or spew if you think I am scum) is anti town.

Keeping focus on my game seems rather pointless.

If you and I are both town you’ll either have to break and vote me or catboi scum has to vote one of us and we hammer.
- who's denying you reads exactly?
- well i'm not going to break so. It'll have to be you or catboi
In post 2176, Isis wrote:
In post 2148, skitter30 wrote:I'm really starting to doubt math is town here. I don't think he's solving, i think he's decided it's convenient to call me scummy and is now appealing to others to try to justify it, and isnt really doing much else. He's saying it's to solve the other two games but imo he hasnt really sone much to solve either

Like i couldnt tell you who he thinks is scum in either of the other two, can anyone else ?

And from my pov:
- it's strictly optimal to vote me, esp. if i'm unconfidant in either of the other two
-> i understand why people think this is scummy but for me to be scum here i decided to swap myself into keep (with two players i don't know how to read) and decide my best strategy is to just insist that the other two vote me, and keep insisting that through a replacement
- which is just, like, why ? .there's many easier ways to win a minigame than for scum-me to pick this fight
- and idk why i'm still bugging math, i should be buddying him here if i'm scum, not continuing to anatgonize him
I don't think it's normal to plan that far ahead wrt swapping and then how the minigame is played
You think scum wouldn't have planned for the swap and the later minigame? I think that's all they wouod be doing day1
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Post Post #2185 (isolation #294) » Tue Dec 27, 2022 2:04 pm

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@coral thank you for the thoroughness of your response, that gives me a lot to ponder

@isis as scum day1 i certainly would have planned where i wanted to go, and what the ideal swap would be for day2
I'm saying that given i would have thought abouy that, it's unlikely that i would have decided this was an ideal swap
Additionally, once we're living in this post-swap world with the replacement, i dom't think i would be playing with math aa scum this way either

Pedit right, not claiming prescience, but thinking abt whether i want to play in faker/me/catboi is a very reasonable thing for scum-me to consider
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Post Post #2188 (isolation #295) » Tue Dec 27, 2022 4:47 pm

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why don't you think i'm playing to the scum wincon again?
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Post Post #2208 (isolation #296) » Wed Dec 28, 2022 12:36 pm

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oh hello!
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Post Post #2209 (isolation #297) » Wed Dec 28, 2022 12:39 pm

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math isn't solving and i think he's scum at this point, i still don't know who he thinks scum is (even in the other minigames)

isis has looked a lot worse to me this dayphase

still think absinthe is scum

this is my working theory of the scumteam at this point tbh

i don't think coral/faker makes much sense
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Post Post #2210 (isolation #298) » Wed Dec 28, 2022 12:39 pm

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In post 2207, Aisa wrote:Hi everyone! I am actually about to go zzz and will catch up properly tomorrow. Let me know if there is anything specific you want me to pay attention to~
we need you to help solve your minigame!
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Post Post #2213 (isolation #299) » Wed Dec 28, 2022 12:50 pm

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to be very fair catboi isn't either

but i kinda hate that math keeps blustering abt how doesn't want to solve keep so that he can focuso n the other games, but still hasn't really made much effort to solve anything elsewhere at all
at least i know what catboi is thinking
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Post Post #2280 (isolation #300) » Thu Dec 29, 2022 1:16 pm

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from my pov, if catboi actually votes me, that confs math as scum

in that universe, i feel p good calling coral town: in that big writeup she did assessing the faker/absinthe associatives, she came out with the conclusion that the two of them did not look aligned.

if faker is scum here, that's a wild conclusion from scum-her pov since mechanically she needs to argue that ffery is scum, and that post kinda ruins that argument if math-scum flips first. this looks very uninformed to me

at the wall honestly i don't know, i'm leaning towards scum-isis but can't really substantiate that fully, i'm hoping that the game just is over before then

scum-math making that post about how weird it is that nobody is commenting on his read of chara and then making that ~thing~ of it is quite weird if he's scum wiht it, so that looks unaligned to me as well
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Post Post #2281 (isolation #301) » Thu Dec 29, 2022 1:16 pm

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we should probably resolve keep before tom afternoon, yeah tbh
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Post Post #2282 (isolation #302) » Thu Dec 29, 2022 1:31 pm

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i want to try to squeeze in prism/math associatives with isis and demona-slot tonight but realistically i'm not sure i have time for that - the above reads is where i'm at rn
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Post Post #2284 (isolation #303) » Thu Dec 29, 2022 2:20 pm

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there's like no meaningful faker -> isis associatives
i'm not sure what to make of that
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Post Post #2286 (isolation #304) » Thu Dec 29, 2022 3:12 pm

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In post 484, demona wrote:VOTE: wafer wall
In post 485, Faker wrote:?????????????

shiki what the duck
on review of when demona took wall, i don't think prism look so aligned with her - it iddn't seem like she expected demona to go there just then
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Post Post #2292 (isolation #305) » Thu Dec 29, 2022 3:50 pm

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<3 catboi

is anything else needed from me before i hammer this?
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Post Post #2296 (isolation #306) » Thu Dec 29, 2022 3:56 pm

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yes but it doesn't really matter at this point

i would do ffery-gate next
and if that doesn't win
well, g'luck to those in wall
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Post Post #2297 (isolation #307) » Thu Dec 29, 2022 3:59 pm

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i'm gonna just wait a bit to make sure nobody needs anything else from the three of us before hammering, but will hammer before i go to sleep
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Post Post #2300 (isolation #308) » Thu Dec 29, 2022 4:59 pm

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It feels bizarre to vote myself but here goes
VOTE: skitter

Gl to everyone in wall and gate
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Post Post #2346 (isolation #309) » Sat Dec 31, 2022 11:36 am

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Thanks for modding!
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Post Post #2355 (isolation #310) » Tue Jan 03, 2023 12:18 pm

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Scum pt?
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