Mini Normal 1917: :X Mafia (Game over!)

[Cheetory6]

Hey guys it's me
I'll be your Experienced Leader player for this game.
If you have any questions about how mafia works just let me know and I'll sure to get right back to you with some helpful mafia wisdom and advice haha!

The very first thing you should do in any mafia game is selfvote and continue to selfvote until you're dead.

vote: Cheetory6

(:

Looking forward to playing with all of you!

[Cheetory6]

Actually there's one person that I'm not looking forward to playing with
s:
Awkward.

[Cheetory6]

A good mafia player never reveals their secrets. hehehheheheh

[Cheetory6]

Uhhh Is like to know if there's any issues between players

I don't think there's a player on this playerlist that I'm not going to have an issue with, buddy.

1. What is your preferred alignment?
2. On a scale of one to ten how collaborative a player are you and why?
3. How important is it to take other players personalities into account when forming reads on them?
4. What player do you have the most experience with on this roster?
5. What are you feeling as you enter this mini's D1?

1. I find scum makes me feel

really nervous

, especially early on in the game, so, probably town I think!
2. What kind of fucking question is this. I refuse to answer.
3. I try not to take anything into account when trying to form a read on someone. It's much better when your read is based on absolutely nothing imo.
4. DRK, Gamma and Accountant are all people I've had the misfortune of interacting with before this game.
5. I'm feeling

really nervous

!

B-but, Experienced Leader, if everybody self votes how are lynches met?!

Idk. I'm not your mom and dad.

[Cheetory6]

I was worried that you might get something AI off of me if I answered it seriously.

[Cheetory6]

vote: Gamma

[Cheetory6]

How dare you.

[Cheetory6]

Wow.
Drk.
I can't believe you.

[Cheetory6]

Basically at some point I'll point my finger at someone, call them scum, we'll lynch them and hopefully they were actually scum.

P-Edit: o:
Are you sure about that?

[Cheetory6]

Are you hoping to PRESSURE ME
WITH VOTES
INTO BEING SORTABLE!??!?!
OH GOD.
THE MERE THOUGHT OF SUCH A THING IS MAKING ME TREMBLE.

[Cheetory6]

AHHHHHHH THE PRESSURE
I SURE HOPE I CAN KEEP UP THIS ACT

[Cheetory6]

Sounds like you're coming into the game with a positive mindset.
I like that!

Mafia needs more people with a more optimistic approach.
(:

P-Edit: DRK.
I have a serious question for you.

[Cheetory6]

DRK, do you think I'm hard to read when I'm trying?

[Cheetory6]

Cheetory Mafia?
I was under the impression that you had a rough idea of what my playstyle is like.

[Cheetory6]

Oh wtf you weren't in Cheetory Mafia.
I could have sworn we'd played something together at some point.
:s

Meh.
Can you talk at me about what you were hoping to accomplish here?
Like, did you think you were going to sort me by pushing me here and get something actually reliable out of it?

[Cheetory6]

Lol we're not quicklynching me.

[Cheetory6]

I would vote MuttonChop if I wanted to cull the player I like the least so far!
I don't really know if that's a good metric though!

[Cheetory6]

No
I wanna keep him around since I find him fun to talk with.
Also I get a slight feeling he will obvtown if he is Town.

Hi Gamma!
Do you have any reads you'd like to share with the class?

[Cheetory6]

Can I get some words on why?

[Cheetory6]

He seems to be playing honestly and from a Town perspective

Bad news is that I feel the exact opposite ):
Good news is that you and DRK are my inconsequential not important earlygame townleans!

[Cheetory6]

Actually I take it back.
I'm notsure on notsure.

[Cheetory6]

Goodnight notsure!

[Cheetory6]

I suspect that if Klick is mafia, he's trying to seem too brazen to be scum, rather than actually believing he can get a quicklynch.

Also wtf I'm "not a shining example of pure towniness"?
Do you not think I'm trying TripleC? Do you think that if I could, I wouldn't just make it super clear to you that I'm town?
Well, I can't man. I just can't. And it hurts, yknow?
Sometimes in life you try so hard and you get knocked down and people knock you down even harder.
That's you right now.
You're knocking me down when I'm already down.
Man.

[Cheetory6]

You're a very genial person!
Don't worry, I was just kidding around.


I'm going to be very town when I start feeling good about a scumread.

While we're here, do you think scum genuinely thinks that they can get a quicklynch in the first 5 pages?

[Cheetory6]

Oh jeeze.
Uh.
Three mafia is probably the only thing you're going to see here.

[Cheetory6]

Do you have any reads Paul?

[Cheetory6]

Can you talk a bit more about what you're not liking about notsure?
What do you think of Accountant's play beyond their thoughts on you?

[Cheetory6]

TripleC is probably my strongest townread atm ftr.

[Cheetory6]

I did some homework!

One of TripleC's recent games was an 11 player game in which there was 3 scum.

Newbie games have nine players, two of whom are Mafia. Here we have eleven players.

Three mafia sounds about right to me.

Given that this is something they've been interested in trying to figure out as town before, the # of games they've played in general and the different numbering in said game, I'm leaning towards believing that the # of players line of questioning is genuine.
His tone as scum is a little more forced from what I saw in the one game I skimmed and I feel like he genuinely believes his reading for his scumread on Klick.
So, town for now.

[Cheetory6]

but doesnt give out reads

Do you not consider him calling DRK scummy as him giving out a read?

[Cheetory6]

Yea.

[Cheetory6]

I am still notsure on notsure.
Your point about them lashing out at DRK is actually pretty alright, but I have some bigger fish to fry atm though and I don't really think extra pressure on notsure is going to make them easier to read.

Accountant is in tryhard mode atm and I'm pretty close to townleaning them for it tbh.

[Cheetory6]

A good mafia player never reveals their secrets. hehehheheheh

[Cheetory6]

Backhand do you have any reads?

[Cheetory6]

You forgot about the super most important thing that's happened so far
the wagon on me!
No thoughts on anything that's happened around that?

[Cheetory6]

That's a weird dismissal of a significant portion of the game!
I don't think I was in danger, but it's probably more significant than Accountant calling people VIs which frankly feels a lot more "GOTCHA" than real analysis.

[Cheetory6]

Literally gave three reasons in the post.
Just saying "oh well could be fake" doesn't dismantle everything I'm saying there lol.
You can apply that argument to literally anything anyone ever says that isn't a literal scumclaim/mechanical guilty?

[Cheetory6]

Oh okay ty.
I'll just throw out all my reads.
Let me know who I should townread or scumread gamma.

[Cheetory6]

Does TripleC strike you as someone who would play those kind of mindgames as scum Gamma?
Because he doesn't to me.

I'm not going to hard-dive his meta for examples of what I saw as differences between his play here and his scumgame and make a full towncase on him unless he's up for lynch.
If you want to butt heads with me here you should be casing why he's scum, otherwise I don't see why you would want me to bother me over this, especially when the extent of your comments on him are just "i feel like you should know this", which I've already addressed in the post you're referencing given that he was just in a game with 11 players with 3 scum and most newbie games is 9 players with 2 scum, hence I can see him making the jump to 13 players with 4 scum.

[Cheetory6]

It's going to be hard for me to take this interaction seriously when you simplify what I'm saying to such a ridiculous level.
Do
you
think
that
CCC
the player
the person
is the kind of player who, as scum,
goes "I will fake not knowing how many people are on my team"?
Forget "is this hard to do".
I'm saying from what I've seen of him it does not seem

LIKELY

that this is the case.
And you're ignoring that to argue this really lame point of

"WELL IT'S POSSIBLE"

. Yeah, I get it. I just don't think it's likely.
Let me know when you have someone you want to push as scum if you want to talk about that, because this conversation is really dumb right now.

[Cheetory6]

cheetory you said ge was in your lean town pile earlier I believe. has that changed because of this exchamge?

Push was annoying, yes.
I don't understand how that translates to Gamma being scum here though.
Would need more words being thrown in my face about that.

If she can keep it up with better reads, instead of just going after people to get them lynched, I'll change my read and my vote. But I don't see that happening any time soon.

I really don't see DRK trying to get anyone lynched here?
I also don't really see the correlation between "better reads" and "going after people to get them lynched". Those seem like they aren't mutually exclusive
(really it just kind of sounds like you're complaining about her pushing/poking you)

Plz do your job.

Don't do fakeclaims as town kids!

[Cheetory6]

Pow pow.

[Cheetory6]

Be back on Thursday.

[Cheetory6]

people usually play mafia because they enjoy the game

I play as self-punishment.

[Cheetory6]

I mean, I think it would depend on the quality of the scumplayer and how hard they're trying to keep up with the game.
There are some instances where scum is just going to casually follow along and just do whatever they can to coast along without paying attention, others where the scum just says whatever comes to mind and doesn't worry about how they're perceived [a little more rare I think], but I think any scumplayer who's putting in any kind of effort into the game and cares about how they're being perceived is going to have to put in significantly more effort into reading the game to try and create a train of thought that's consistent and seems real. It's generally harder for people to fake their mindset than to just inhabit it.

So, tldr: accountant is probably right that scum with any kind of chops is going to spend more time reading than posting, while town is probably going to say things without thinking about it as much.

In terms of where I'm at right now, I'm being pretty lazy!
My lazy reads would be that one of notsure/realpaul is probably scum because something feels off there, but I should really throw some effort at trying to parse what's going on there
as the tone of Realpaul's posts feel fake to me [which could be a general tone thing] and the over the top nature of notsure's posts feel fake to me [which could also be a general tone thing].

My strongest scumread was Klick for a while.
Was kind of hoping to see him do more before saying so to see if I could catch him off-guard but he's gone so ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

This isn't really a real post.
Real posting probably comes tomorrow night at this rate.

[Cheetory6]

Oh and Gamma's kind of pinging me a little bit.
That's a thing.

[Cheetory6]

Honestly getting TRs from Gamma, why does this keep happening

Don't think I understand what this means!

@Accountant

, it could be TvT, but if I think their tones are both scummy and that there's something from the interaction that feels off, I don't really know why you would expect me to entertain that as an option, especially when I said I was being lazy there ya silly goose.

@notsure

, I don't think you actually understand what I'm saying.
Scum has to put effort in to seem town and to make sure their thoughts make sense.
Town just has to think something and say it.
I spend maybe like.. 10 minutes making a decent sized post as town, where as scum it can take me hours to make sure that I feel like a single serious post isn't awkward sounding, or that something is worded funny or indicates I have too much knowledge.
Have to check whether I seem like I'm being genuine, etc..
Some people don't worry about that kind of stuff, but I feel like most scum do.

[Cheetory6]

Oh and I need to dig into Backhand.
I haven't gotten much of an impression of them yet.

[Cheetory6]

Oh hey look I'm in a completely different game now.

[Cheetory6]

Why are you voting Gamma?

shrug.
Outdated early vote.

[Cheetory6]

As in, my vote is outdated and I don't care to move it right now.

[Cheetory6]

Well, that makes it easier to catch up on the game state.

Thx.

VOTE: penguinpowder
does this help you?
heheheheheheh

[Cheetory6]

Oh how convenient you're the Klickslot.
Okay this can be an actual vote.
Congrats for being my actual vote!

[Cheetory6]

The color of green.

[Cheetory6]

I'm never unvoting PP because he's colourblind and that's just not okay with me.

[Cheetory6]

Nero's town folks.

[Cheetory6]

I am invoking my platinum mafiascum membership credibility license to declare that Nero is town.
Sorry to the scum who this inconveniences.
<3

[Cheetory6]

He talkin' like townNero and not scumNero.
He townNero bro.
You expect more than this, you a silly goose.

[Cheetory6]

Sure, but that's much less interesting than this blue-green thing. Its definitely blue.

You make a fair point handman.
Care to join me in ridding this game of COLOUR DEFICIENT USERS?
QUICKLY WHILE PENGUIN IS STILL REELING FROM REALIZING HIS LACK OF COLOUR AWARENESS.

[Cheetory6]

(Not actually here but fwiw I was not legitimately proposing we quicklynch Cheetory ffs)

This post was suck.
It super duper doesn't feel real.
Other than that, he didn't do anything town.

[Cheetory6]

That doesn't take away how suck it is?
I understand why the post happened, it just doesn't look like a real post that a real person made.

[Cheetory6]

You god damn floppy fish.
I will never forgive you for disagreeing with me.

[Cheetory6]

I will probably only be 100% confident with mechanical confirmation.
I'm pretty confident from what little he's said so far though.
(:

[Cheetory6]

PP seems very opportunistic.

Seems as though a great chance for a wagon is waiting for you right here.
(:

[Cheetory6]

I refuse to give excuses for my shitty play this game because I don't need validation unlike the rest of these losers.

[Cheetory6]

Okay let's play a game, it's called.
Why is Penguin scum or why is Penguin town?
And if you don't take a side then you're being antitown.
Okay?
Cool.

I think Penguin is scum because their content so far is essentially just trying to fit into the jokeyness that's been presented so far in an awkward way without having taken any real stances on anything and just kind of flopping around.
Klick's play in the earlygame had vibes of someone trying to seem like they had something going on underneath the surface in a showy way and he seemed overly worried about how he was being perceived.
If you disagree, fight me and with specific words why. Thanks in advance.

[Cheetory6]

Oh also nobody has joined me yet.
And I think lazy scum would have jumped on board my push if it was town I was pushing so.

[Cheetory6]

Also jesus, one of mutton or gamma please switch your avatar.

P-Edit: Why are you wanting to kill Not_Mafia?
Explain it to me like I'm stupid.

[Cheetory6]

Why do you read PP as town?
Words.
Give them to me.
Or I'm ignoring you and pushing this harder to spite you.

[Cheetory6]

Tone of Klick's quicklynch suggestion.

i) Articulate what about it was town.
Convince me.
Or I'm going to be a jerk and make noise until we get a lynch.

ii) You have no feeling on any of Penguin's play so far?

[Cheetory6]

I really don't think town is that bad at lynching scum on D1.
Oftentimes it's lategame when town starts playing like chickens with their heads cut off.

[Cheetory6]

My vote stays.

Woah I'm shaken dude.

[Cheetory6]

Oh god oh no a real life day vig.

[Cheetory6]

Are you just going to do that thing that you do outside of mafia where you ask people inane useless questions?

[Cheetory6]

You do it in GD and it's really annoying there too.

[Cheetory6]

Shocking.

[Cheetory6]

I don't think I like any of the big wagons right now.
):

[Cheetory6]

Nerooooooooooooo
lets get something going.
Who do you think is scum?
Help me get into this game.

[Cheetory6]

Gamma please link me your latest scumgame.

VOTE: Not_Mafia
Weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

[Cheetory6]

Hi DRK!
Can you either lead me to finding scum or sheep me on wagoning Not_Mafia for the sake of justice?

P-Edit: Gamma, there are three days left, you've done nothing but sit around or stand in the way of me doing things. Either push something or shut up okay? Neat.

[Cheetory6]

Normal games are demotivating enough without people potshotting each and every single little thing that gets pushed. If you're going to be a petty nitpicker, you had better be fucking doing something while doing so, or you're basically asking for a last minute lame deadline lynch.

[Cheetory6]

Idrc if your focus is off.
If it is, don't take away momentum everywhere else just because you're demotivated.

[Cheetory6]

why r u voting me i am just doing nothing which i hear is nai for me
is this just a pl?
hrahrhrhahrharharhahrh

You don't get to stand in the way of PROGRESS while doing nothing.
It's D1.
There's three days left.
We need wagons.
We need momentum.
Get on board or substantiate why you're voting me or push something that will actually happen or we can wagon you.
Let me know which of those options sound best to you.

[Cheetory6]

Woa how articulate.
Use words.
Or do you think that somehow magically a wagon is going to happen on me because you point at a post?

[Cheetory6]

I'm tired of this playerlist shitting around this game.
Whoever is town step it the fuck up.
Let's go.

[Cheetory6]

Then what is your vote doing?

[Cheetory6]

I'll give you a hint: nothing.

[Cheetory6]

Am I calling you scum right now?
Or am I telling you to do something actually useful with your vote?

[Cheetory6]

You have amazing inference skills.

[Cheetory6]

Idk.
Backhand's ISO didn't scream scummy to me. There was a wagon there but nobody's pushing anything that's screamed convincing to me.
Gamma is pretty up in the air.
His ISO is pretty empty of content which is concerning.
N_M is because nobody is biting on PP even though he's a scumbutt and we need a wagon and he's an easy wagon and he's not being town. What more can you ask for 3 days to d1 deadline.

[Cheetory6]

It really isn't.
We want the option to rewagon if we need to.
3 days is not much time for 2~ wagons to happen.

[Cheetory6]

What about my case did you dislike?

I don't remember really taking anything from it.
But I'll be frank, I've been really lazy so far this game and I'm trying to get back into it.
If you think your case is good, throw it at my face and I'll parse it and tell you what I think.

[Cheetory6]

Games are slower paced here.
There's more focus put on trying to sort people than in shorter games where you pick a wagon and you condense and you lynch ASAP.
When you have the time to sort people you should be wagoning and pressuring people.
Sitting around on your hands with your vote on some vanity shit is effectively accomplishing nothing.
If there's no traction on me, revisit me later.

[Cheetory6]

Or at least actually pressure me with questions or something.
Just saying "oh this post is bad" at me is pointless, especially when you've acknowledged that I'm apparently not happening today anyways.

[Cheetory6]

Grendel
=======
DRK
Nero
NotRealPaul
=======
CCC
Mutton
=======
Backhand
Slingshot
Hiraki
=======
Gamma
Not_Mafia
=======
=======
Penguin

p-edit: I'm just going to ignore you if you're going to content yourself with being useless.
Sound good?

[Cheetory6]

I'm sticking with my initial gut on Nero but it's not as good as it could be if he were around and posting more.
DRK is productive enough that even if there's a decent chance of her being scum, I'm not really comfortable risking a lynch there today on off chance we're wrong because this game is going to go to shitsville quick if we carry forward all of the not as good players and yes I'm being judgmental here deal with it.
(:

[Cheetory6]

This is me committing to metadiving Gamma tomorrow night.
If I fail then you should poke me in the face over and over until I start bleeding please and thank you.

[Cheetory6]

The night is still young CCC.
And Nero, Gorkington is an alt of mine.

[Cheetory6]

VOTE: N_M

That's L-1.

Oh, I'm back. I hate Penguins and Zebras.

Anything else to add?

[Cheetory6]

Quick someone hammer before he can articulate why I'm scum.

[Cheetory6]

Shittttt
please hurry up.

[Cheetory6]

You're at L-1 actually!

[Cheetory6]

I could vote Gamma if Not_Mafia wagon fizzles based on lazy meta-dive.

How does that sound for incentive to do more than throw around naked statements?
(:

[Cheetory6]

Are there are names in the playerlist that stand out to you when I say the word "waffles"?

[Cheetory6]

I'm not voting anywhere else if that's all Not_Mafia intends to post.
(:

[Cheetory6]

How do I not be mean to people when they're objectively just really terrible at doing things?
:/

P-Edit: I am trying to adjust to playing on this account.
So.

[Cheetory6]

What if I told you that it was mostly just how I felt?
And that I feel like articulating how I felt would probably just underwhelm you?
s:

Only thing I think is worth saying is that if anything Gamma probably should have been lower than N_M at the time.
[honestly Gamma is still lower than N_M, but I'm not gonna make a fuss]

Was there some point that you elaborated on DRK/CCC apparently being scumbutts?
Having glanced at Gamma's scumMeta, it seems like he asks a lot of vapid and not really useful questions as scum and that's more or less lining up with here. Like he cares more about how he's perceived, vs just trying to find scum. If you disagree you should be hitting me in the face with why.

[Cheetory6]

Also don't really know why you're shading Paul's comment.
He really strikes me as town lhf.

[Cheetory6]

N_M was 5x easier to wagon than PP.
Ez wagon.

[Cheetory6]

???
Is Gamma a pisskop alt or something?
If not I don't really know if the comparison makes sense, especially since Gamma wasn't really under that much pressure here q.q

[Cheetory6]

I mean.
N_M is one vote from getting lynched.
And there's a few people saying that Gamma is scummy. Is that really comparable to someone being heavily suspected and replacing out?
If anything, he may have just generally been struggling with being scum here?

[Cheetory6]

N_M,
why do I pull the trigger on Gamma over you?
Are you really just going to call me scummy, not engage me responding to you on that, vote elsewhere and leave it at that?

[Cheetory6]

I would consider voting Gamma right now if there was someone in the slot to claim. :/

[Cheetory6]

kraska do you like playing scum?

[Cheetory6]

I like kraska's posting style.

I should probably contribute more than this given how much time we have left.
But then I should also probably have actual reads right now and I don't.
Oops

[Cheetory6]

I should probably stop assuming that someone being annoying means that they're town tbh.

[Cheetory6]

"Slingshot can you explain your reads?"
"look at this post."
"anything else?"
"no."

"kraska pls explain yourself"
"lots of joke words"
"wow people r so bad at this game"

[Cheetory6]

"Lynch person tomorrow, but I'm also a town PR and so you shouldn't lynch me."
Yeah okay that train of thought makes sense.

[Cheetory6]

Are you planning on actually claiming?
One would think since you've been so close to lynch for a while now you probably would have insinuated you being a PR before now to prevent a quickhammer.
Is it that kraska's not looking like viable counterwagon material anymore?

[Cheetory6]

I don't really think waffles is trolling.
I think he's just like that.

[Cheetory6]

Also you don't have to deal with N_M lamely calling you scum.
I'm finding that annoying too.
Why aren't my needs valid ):

[Cheetory6]

Comparison was probably bad.
Your question was still pretty ridiculous though, ie I don't know what kind of answer you were expecting from it that wasn't already detailed in her posts.
She's walked through why she finds you suspect and your response is to just ask what is suspect about you when she already has???

[Cheetory6]

This probably sounds ridiculous.
But I think I'm flipping on my CCC read.
:/

If we're going to counterwagon N_M [and honestly there's a big part of me that's worried that I'm keeping my vote here out of a combination of frustration of his bad push on me and his general unwillingness to actually address anything with any level of serious substance], I would be willing to vote either PP or maybe CCC if I still feel that after thinking about it more.

P-Edit: Then say that instead of just asking her what is suspect? Nobody here knows what you play like. I don't know why you would assume that at all.

[Cheetory6]

one more look at your iso
u were useless until gamma subbed out, after which you made a convenient vote and kept peddling on your vacuous "gammas scummy" oneliner as cop out from doing anything useful
so i replace in and say stuff, but instead of engage me, you avoid me


ure a scum

And how is that scummy?

She explained it...

She explained what I did, but how is it scummy?

Yeah I'm sure she got that from this context.
Please.
Let's try and make me pissy.
It's so much fun when I get pissy.

[Cheetory6]

Eh.
Maybe sling is trolling.
IDK.

[Cheetory6]

Jealous of how confident you feel!

[Cheetory6]

Eh.
VOTE: CCC
I really don't like this post:

My thoughts on the current top wagons:

Not_Mafia is a policy lynch. He's been pretty near silent. Then he put on two votes, claimed a gut scumread on Cheet and gave no explanation of the Gamma vote, and said Nero was town. That's a pretty pathetically minimal contribution to the state of the game, especially since having caught up, I suspect that the reason behind the Gamma vote was self-preservation (which is NAI because all roles benefit from self-preservation).

Gamma actually looks like scum for a variety of reasons, which I have gone over before.

So, I suspect that Not_Mafia is scum's mislynch for today. It's an easy wagon to push, since it's a policy lynch for a genuinely super-quiet player. It's also a wagon that does not reflect badly on scum-on-the-wagon if the slot flips Town. Therefore, I think that the only reason Not_Mafia's wagon has progressed so far, is that there is scum on it; if Not_Mafia is lynched today and flips Town, then I would recommend taking a very close look at everyone on that wagon tomorrow.

Currently, my vote is staying on Gamma/kraska77.

There's a lot that feels off with this post.
Especially the "tomorrow I will pick at the wagon". Seems a lot more like setup for tomorrow than a genuine interest in parsing the wagon itself, especially since there's nothing specific being unpacked here.
Also don't like the declaration of N_M being a policy lynch. The confidence there feels a little like it's coming from a place of too much information.

Because I'm Town?

I don't know how Cheetory's recognising that, mind you.

Also don't really like this post!
I'm kind of sucking at putting my feelings to thoughts tonight, but this is probably the only thing I feel anything for right now. If I have energy tomorrow I'll put more effort into sorting this if it doesn't just become a wagon.

[Cheetory6]

I kind of doubt a Nero wagon happens here and I also don't really think Nero is scum?

[Cheetory6]

Perhaps if the rhyming thing is making it difficult to post, you should stop using it?

[Cheetory6]

Bad!=Scum.
Let's wagon CCC.
You were all about that shit earlier all like "fuk u cheet u shuldnt townread ccc"
and now I'm all like "ok sure I will listen to you".
Do not scorn me again Hiraki, it already hurt a lot when you did it to me with penguin ):

[Cheetory6]

Wow nice it's like you knew I was going to ask you to.
(:

[Cheetory6]

I mean.
I was kidding?

I also have no idea what you're saying in that second sentence.

[Cheetory6]

I guess I'm just an unfunny fuck.
(:

For serious, I don't know how you got an angry vibe from 1090.

[Cheetory6]

I'm being dumb, not angry.
You would know if I was angry.
q.q

[Cheetory6]

Let's play the push me game tomorrow so I can properly make you all feel stupid for not recognizing townCheet in action without distracting from the end of day, pls and ty.

[Cheetory6]

Kraska's probably town. N_M's read on me kind of makes sense even if I'm still pretty annoyed by the way he's pushing it. I'm waffling on waffles and my gut likes CCC for scum.
Pick one and if you still don't like me tomorrow, push me then and I'll probably get mad and you'll be like "oh ya ok that's townCheet yay nice".
There literally has not been a game where, as town, I haven't been able to make it obvious that I'm town when my head's in the game. I'll get there if you don't last minute lamewagon me for no reason at the end of D1.

[Cheetory6]

Grendel's probably town kraska.

[Cheetory6]

In your experience, do you think CCC gets very confident about things as town?

[Cheetory6]

The majority of his reads remain null throughout D1.

Does him saying with like.. a really high level of confidence that N_M is a policy lynch that scum is pushing not give you bad feels here?

[Cheetory6]

Nero who's scum?
Bonus points if you actually explain why and convince me.

[Cheetory6]

I really hate that PP is posting elsewhere and hasn't dropped anything significant here.

[Cheetory6]

Yeah. This seems like a Transcend alt.
s:

[Cheetory6]

gkjhfkjghkdjfkdjfhkdf
VOTE: Penguin

[Cheetory6]

IDK.
ccc thinking that someone copying his readlist is a thing that scum would actually do looks like crazy town logic and I'm scared that Grendel feels like CCC is just lynchbait here.

Penguin still hasn't done a single thing/doesn't really seem to have reads, while still seeming generally caught up and around.

P-Edit: Be a dick when people scumread you and then also flail around with anxiety and also be productive occasionally too.

[Cheetory6]

How is PP not in your pile of players that you don't want to sort lategame?

[Cheetory6]

Info lynches are dumb tbh.
We should be lynching who we think is scum instead of being lazy and justifying votes with "oh well maybe this person will give me info" or "oh well the gamestate will be better later I guess".
Those are lame reasons to lynch someone.
Vote who you think is scum and you think we can consolidate on, pls and ty.

[Cheetory6]

We probably shouldn't lynch N_M anyway because I kind of believe he believes his scumread on me.

[Cheetory6]

Eh.
Nero might actually be scum
:/

[Cheetory6]

Berocain is being shittingly obvious scum but they don't even
Not even gonna bother campaign for that lynch, this town is shit

I liked it better when you were memey and not elitist.

[Cheetory6]

Sokay.
Tbh I think if I had a little more time to poke at Nero I would be able to place him and feel good about it, but I'm scared that there's not enough time.
q.q

Have you played with Nero before?

[Cheetory6]

Whoever is the scum who thinks I'm going to be an easy push tomorrow, just get ready for a bad time. That's all I'm gonna say.

@DRK, I really don't think kraska is scum.
And it's super fucking weird that you're completely content with lynching her in spite of there being at least 1-2 other options while also saying that you're pretty confident that she's not scum.
Why not push Nero?
I would actually consider voting there if kraska is the only other option available.

[Cheetory6]

Like, I could be wrong, but kraska is just oozing genuine feeling frustration at being wagoned in a way that doesn't feel scummy to me and I'm honestly not confident that Gamma didn't just replace out because he genuinely wasn't getting into the game [which I feel is probably more just a common symptom of normal games, rather than anything AI].

I could probably sort Nero if I had more time, but if it's going to be Nero/kraska dichotomy and not Penguin:

vote: Nero

[Cheetory6]

Post more and bounce some ideas off me then? Get into the game?

[Cheetory6]

What about her ISO looks awful? Like, can you go into more specifics on what you mean with this and the Accountant convenient thoughts thing?

[Cheetory6]

I think I kind of get what you mean.
You basically think that because her reads have stayed the same, she's potentially scum trying to dissuade her own lynch by overly focusing on the same player, rather than actually trying to sort people because that would be a lot more difficult to fake?

[Cheetory6]

You don't see how someone could see that?

[Cheetory6]

But it's not as though your activity hasn't been a little sparse right?
So, when you come in and you respond to things pertaining to you, it can kind of come across like you're only popping up when you need to defend yourself.
I don't know if I put stock in that, but I can see someone else doing that.

Zzzzz.
Is Penguin lynch off the table?
That slot is still a black hole of nothingness that pops in to vote things and hasn't even reacted to me calling them scum while being active elsewhere.

[Cheetory6]

Before your replace, gamma-slot.

Now...CCC or Waffles. There's prob scum in one of those two.

I modded waffles as town recently (and just rechecked that game), and he acted substantially similar to here. If we aren't doing N_M, I'm gonna go with CCC.

Look at how close these two posts are to each other
and tell me that it makes sense that PP is going "CCC or slingshot is scum" "jk slightshot is town I forgot I have to be townreading this".

[Cheetory6]

Eh, actually I guess it he rechecked the game it might make sense.

Gahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh.
Can someone just scumslip please
this game is awful
q.q

[Cheetory6]

Can you go into why you think each of them is scum? With like some level of detail as to why you're feeling that way?

[Cheetory6]

I'm not sure I understand your point?
You being less confrontational up to this point has honestly been giving me some bad feelings too. Unless I'm misunderstanding some nuance in why you're finding Kraska saying that scummy?

[Cheetory6]

Like, given what kraska's experience with you is so far in other games, do you think she would find your play so far relatively underwhelming in comparison to your cumulative townplay?

[Cheetory6]

I think now you're being a little more familiar to my experience with your towngame, but up to this point you were a little lukewarm?
Like, that's not an experience that is isolated to just kraska here.

[Cheetory6]

What's your experience with kraska? Do you have a general idea of how she plays as town/scum?

[Cheetory6]

I could lynch slingshot because I'm tired of his shitty pointless potshot playstyle?
(':

[Cheetory6]

Good god.
These questions. -.-

[Cheetory6]

why do you ask questions? why do you feel? why do you think? how come this thing is this way? how come I do what whatn wherent how who am I?

[Cheetory6]

Nero's probably town. Zzzzz.

[Cheetory6]

I feel like scumNero can't bring this level of stubbornness to his reads.
Persistence on kraska and not relenting on even a small point on her just reminds me a lot more of what I saw in Civ from him.

I ask questions to learn and obtain information that I use to find scum.

Most of your questions are so vague and nitpicky that I can't imagine what you're expecting to get from them.
And the fact that you relentless use them and then do nothing with the information you forced people to extrapolate for you is just unbelievably frustrating.

[Cheetory6]

I'm saying this is comparable to how you were playing in Civ? As in I think you're town here?

[Cheetory6]

bahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
VOTE: Penguin

[Cheetory6]

Are you real

[Cheetory6]

CCC we're killing a penguin would you like to join?

[Cheetory6]

What's the reasoning for Gamma being scummy? And if you tell me it's "oh gamma replaceout was scummy" or "gamma copied my reads" I'm going to call you a nerd to your face. Because those are both bad reasons to scumread someone.

[Cheetory6]

You should probably also evaluate kraska's recent play/if you have, you should probably give thoughts on her. Because your read there is getting pretty stale if it doesn't have some kind of updated reasoning.

[Cheetory6]

Penguin.
If you're town, can you like, actually elaborate on where you're at right now? Anything at all? Mental state? Reads? Etc?
Are you scumreading kraska?

[Cheetory6]

I really don't see your point on Nero being scum because he's not voting you? Wouldn't it be scummier for him to stay the course and try to get you lynched? I don't really understand what you think his goal would be.

[Cheetory6]

I mean if you're going to force the dichotomy I'll think about it more.
I would rather lynch someone who I think is scum rather than one of two townleans?

I frankly have no idea why you think scumNero would prioritize getting rid of penguin who's supporting him here vs you who wants him to get lynched??

[Cheetory6]

Consensus scumread that I've been pushing for like 5 days and nobody has bit. I would believe consensus scumread as a reason not to vote there if there wasn't so much artificial resistance to his wagon.

[Cheetory6]

why on EARTH is everyone in the nero wagon just OK with discrediting their argument like two seconds later and not OK with voting their ACTUAL SCUMREAD????

I was explaining why I could understand kraska feeling like nero was scummy, even if I didn't agree with it at that point?
Pretty sure at that point I was townleaning Nero. zzzzzzz.

[Cheetory6]

mostly how it was a rushed counter to the one we need to lynch again

Please stop, look me in the eyes, and explain to me like I'm 5 years old why kraska is scum pls and ty.

Also hi everyone it's me, bull-man.

[Cheetory6]

Did you get fruit on top of the result or just the result?

[Cheetory6]

Fuck.
You shouldn't have outted that.

[Cheetory6]

And I'm dumb for not putting 2+2 together.
Sorry.
I shouldn't have asked that question.

[Cheetory6]

That was equally my fault. Sorry. :/

[Cheetory6]

I'm not really sold on townCCC tbh.
I am warming up to Nero scum again though.

Not that it really means anything because I'm a disaster this game but, well.

[Cheetory6]

VOTE: Nero
Let's play ball faster today.

[Cheetory6]

Mutton is friendly neighbor with 1-shot loyal. [1-shot loyal allows him to target a player and if they're town they receive confirmation that he's town]
Targeted kraska last night.
Kraska was informed that Mutton is town.
Kraska claims getting that message,
Mutton tries to play off that he's a fruit vendor.
Kraska basically semi-confirms that she didn't get a fruit from him last night, forcing him to out his full role.

tldr: kraska and mutton are basically conftown.

P-Edit: Don't answer that question.
Sling, please don't fish.

[Cheetory6]

Can you not?

[Cheetory6]

Fish?

[Cheetory6]

Just ignore Slingshot please, Paul.
Nobody else claim anything unless you're under threat of being lynched or if you have a guilty on someone please and thank you.

[Cheetory6]

Idk he's been blowing off people calling him scummy with lame "lol I'm not scum" posts a bit too much. Kind of finding it a little hard to believe that he thought Kraska/N_M voting Kraska at the end of the day is anything worth fussing over.

[Cheetory6]

Maybe because day one's end of day was awful because we hadn't made a decision and there was like 12 hours left?

I'm not saying it's something you do as scum or town, but you're responding to pressure way too often with the same "lol no guys I'm not" response and it's starting to feel forced.
Also don't really understand why you would have any expectation of me remembering any specific mannerisms you have when you're town given that our experience together was me being scum and there being 700 pages.
I have a general gist of how you play as town and until you get there I'm more than willing to help kraska/mutton pressure you.

Are you going to drop more than two surface level questions now?
Or was this just a lame setup to pivot off of scumreading kraska?

[Cheetory6]

A much better and favorable wagon

Can you walk me through
a) where your head is at on Nero?
and
b) why is Slingshot scum?
If you give me like 2-3 points on Sling I promise to buckle down and put together a bunch of thoughts on Nero sometime either tonight or tomorrow, just so we both have motivation to get shit done.

P-Edit: I don't think Nero is a claimed PR?

[Cheetory6]

u kidding me bro

can u elaborate bro
Is he a flat nullread? Or are you townreading him?

Filler to the next level, only relevant thing said in the game was defending N_M after faking a vigshot on him. All of his reads are unsubstantiated and don't make much sense in the long-run.

Do you have any general expectation of how you think townSlingshot would play? Because I kind of get the impression that him being unsubstatiated and fillery is null for him, no?
Can you throw some examples at my face of how his reads don't make sense in the long-run?

[Cheetory6]

Tbh it's kind of a bummer that I'm trying to reach out to you here to try and condense reads and you're pretty much scoffing me off dude haha

If you seriously want to lynch Slingshot and want to derail Nerowagon you should probably be trying to legitimately work with me here and hit me in the face with why I'm wrong in a way that'll actually convince me?
I'm willing to throw effort at trying to engage you too, but if you're just going to blow off anything I say it's going to be harder for me to motivate myself to want to.

[Cheetory6]

You're so pointlessly dismissive dude.
Whatevs.
I'll throw together some Nero thoughts.
I hope you enjoy your little bubble of non-influence in the game. :/

[Cheetory6]

Do you have any general expectation of how you think townSlingshot would play? Because I kind of get the impression that him being unsubstatiated and fillery is null for him, no?

Like you can't even be bothered to answer this?
Seriously don't get you man.
Don't get you at all.

[Cheetory6]

Nero unvoting when Mutton pokes him feels out of character for him and wayyyy too easy.
Like, that basically says "I have no conviction for this whatsoever", which makes him saying that Sling was a scumbag feel forced.

Really strange that Nero is poking Gamma in the face for not voting anyone when he's also not voting anyone at the time?
That feels pretty lame.

I kind of feel like Nero not engaging me over me telling him that I'm Gorkington feels a little wonky, but that's probably self-centered.

Grendel/Nero kind of gives potential partner vibes from #850/856.
There's also still no vote here.

#876 is a weird reaction to being called scummy.

The reasoning for voting Gamma in #936 is really clunky.
I kind of feel like I need more meta to properly parse Nero here :/

I hate to say it, but I'm still getting underlying gut townvibes from some of Nero's posts.
I wish he was bringing more energy to this game, but I'm kind of struggling to believe that the way he's OMGUSing to certain things isn't just how he usually plays as town.

Mehhh.
I'm just gonna be lazy and stop here @1995.
I'm back to thinking Nero is town. His early ISO is a little awkward and his reasoning for things kind of sucks, but I think deep down I kind of feel like a lot of the reasoning he's pushing is more likely to be something that townNero believes is a thing rather than something scumNero thinks will look convincing to people. Like, if I really think about it, stuff like asking Gamma why he's not voting while Nero isn't voting is just so uncaring of how he's going to be perceived that I kind of struggle to imagine someone casually doing that, especially someone who doesn't really strike me as someone who plays to mindgame people as scum.
Also think scumNero is more of a sack of inactivity.
Also also think that scumNero probably doesn't jump around as much as he did earlygame.

The only thing that really stands out to me as kind of scummy is him folding under Mutton's pressure really easily, other than that, there really isn't enough there.

Sorry kraska, you'll really need to case Nero better for me to keep my vote here.
:/

[Cheetory6]

VOTE: DRK
Sorry DRK but I have too many townleans, you need to start being more town soon and I feel uncomfortable voting Nero right now!
S:

Which is weird if he was town reading me like he says he was.

I don't really understand this.
I also don't really understand why you feel like Nero's points being bad means he's more likely to be scum?
Like, you should explain that more clearly, otherwise it's pretty much just you pointing at things and saying "bad! this bad! this scum!" and I feel like we can do better than that at this point.