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In post 144, pieguyn wrote:town: zmuffin,Ank, The Relentless, SB, Serenes Forest
no scumreads :<
vote: Shadoweh
Um, what?
I'm pretty sure everything I've done so far is dead-null at the most, so why exactly am I town?-
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Go ahead and seal my card; I'm not planning on using it unless there's a very good reason to.
In post 160, pieguyn wrote:In post 156, Ankamius wrote:You don't know what my spellcard does, so why would it be obscure? It literally feels right now like my spell card was designed to reduce the effectiveness of hers. They synergize together way too well.
I wouldn't expect that kind of role interaction to be on most people's radars right at the start of the game; and even if it was, I think it's smth a town player would be more likely to be vocal about than a scum player (especially at the start of the game when they have nothing else to go on).
Okay, I can accept this reasoning.-
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In post 389, Shadoweh wrote:In post 385, Ankamius wrote:Shadoweh: Can you run through your tdgflsflmnop/Malakittens/ActionDan reads for me?
No. They're obviously town. If you think they're scummy I probably think you're stupid. Or just unfamiliaar with one of them like Kilga.
That's actually the opposite of what I mean. I'm townhunting right now.-
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In post 409, Rylai Crestfall wrote:Anka: Literally forgot existed, some reads would be nice
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In post 419, pieguyn wrote:In post 386, Ankamius wrote:pieguyn: Can you update your town list for me please?
TOWN (S->W):Relentless, Serene, Kilga, SB, zmuffin <gap> Mala, Kagami, Drezi, Ank
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In post 519, Serenes Forest wrote:Also @Ankamius why is Kilga a problem slot? You didn't mention him at all before putting him in there.
The pieguyn suspicion. The reason to vote him in the first place followed by retracting it later and making a town case based on his play before the initial vote post doesn't sit well with me.-
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In post 691, Katsuki wrote:In post 680, Katsuki wrote:I would really like to hear everyone's opinions on the walls from last page.
I wasn't joking about this request.
Anyone who doesn't comply will mysteriously disappear overnight.
My opinions on the walls from last page is that I'm not going to read the walls from last page. If that's reason enough for you to kill me tonight, then be my guest. Have fun wasting your shot.-
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In post 685, Sky_Paladin wrote:Seeing as I'm probably dead, reads
SXTLHGaiden - null
GuyInFreezer - town
zMuffinMan - town
Sakura Hana - scum
pieguyn - scum
notscience - null
Ankamius - scum
Drezi - scum
ActionDan - scum
Shadoweh - town
thdgkdms - town
SB - scum
ooba - lol SK?
Kilgamayan - scum
Rylai Crestfall - scum
Katsuki - maybe claimed scum re: SB = Serious Bananas
Malakittens - town
Kagami - null
Happy to defend/clarify any of these if I'm still around when I get back :V
Make 1-2 sentences minimum for every single scumread. I'm having a lot of trouble wrapping my head around why anyone would have this list.-
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In post 654, Kilgamayan wrote:To address Ankamius' concerns about my pieguy unvote, my original pieguy vote was for different reasons than everyone else was bringing up as reason to vote for her, and I thought it would be uncouth to examine and address those reasons before deciding whether or not to maintain my vote.
UNVOTE: Katsuki
VOTE: Kilgamayan
I really really don't like this response.
First of all, that's the most passive defense I've ever seen. It doesn't say pretty much anything.
Second, the only people who were pushing this at all were aoiurtmstmklasd and zmuffinman. The latter is a bit of a stretch to call this, since zMM didn't really say that, but the former is the only other instance of this I could see.
What exactly is the problem with this? The post that I linked from asiotgsoiut is directly referring to this post, where there are a lot more reasons listed than that for why that slot was suspecting pie. It would've been really bizarre to not know of the existence of the earlier post, so why exactly was that the point of focusing on that point?-
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uhhhh I'm noticing that I can't tell what my overall point is from what I posted, so I'll sum it up here:
The thought process behind the pieguyn reasoning is incredibly shallow and fake. If he had examined and addressed the reasons like he said he would, it wouldn't have been the point he actually responded to.-
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I hatehatehatehate Sky_Paladin's reads list. There's so many different thought processes there that it looks made up.
He says that he's not sheeping zMuffin, but that's clearly just about the entire reasoning behind the SXTLH and Drezi reads.
SXTLH and Rylai Crestfall get put into the scumlist for being a nonentity (former only being put into null because of muffin sheeping), but notscience and Kagami get put into null for mostly the same reasoning. Also of note is Malakittens initially getting put into the townlist, but being pushed back to null for exactly the same reason.
Kilgamayan reasoning is fluff. Sakura read is slightly less fluff, but still mostly fluff.
pieguyn looks more like he's trying to discredit the slot and try to get him silenced. The part about it being good even if he's town especially makes me unnnnnnng.-
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In post 716, Kilgamayan wrote:My assessment of the alternate "case" against pieguy comes from post #280 sticking in my mind the most at the time, because it was a repeated point presented in a concise post. Since it was the point being emphasized, it was the one I went back to check, and reading through pieguy's ISO made me not agree with it. It is true that I should have also directly addressed the spellcard fishing thing Lily Keyboardsmash brought up, though. I have no meaningful reason for not doing this, just an excuse that's a combination of generic dearth of time, a poor attention span, laziness, and already feeling burned out by this game. I can't begrudge someone holding this against me.
I am curious what the other reasons to pursue pieguy you see in post #253, though (apparently there are "lots"), because all I see are the spellcard-fishing accusation and the contentlessness accusation.
Those are the two accusations, but the latter one is different than the one you responded to. You directly responded to the point that pieguy wasn't doing anything later on, when it was stated before that pretending to contribute was part of it too.-
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I have no idea what you're saying.-
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In post 1053, Sky_Paladin wrote:Sixth is Ankamius. He vote parked two days out and never reappeared in the thread despite his post history suggesting he has been active in other parts of the forum. So I flag this one as a scum vote park. I'll have to read up on him before deciding to vig/investigate him though.
This is a very weak case and something I do basically every single game I play, completely irrelevant of alignment.-
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In post 1547, GuyInFreezer wrote:If Rylai was scum, scum wouldn't have skipped a kill n1.
I can see scum doing exactly what he did just as much as town.-
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In post 1550, ooba wrote:In post 1545, Ankamius wrote:Super Town
Ankamius
pieguyn
zMuffinMan
Probably Town
GuyInFreezer
Kagami
Malakittens
Shadoweh
thdgkdms
Atrophied Down to Nullish
Kilgamayan
SB
ooba
Scumlean
Katsuki
Rylai Crestfall (Goes down to heavy scumread with AD scumflip; goes up to nullish with AD townflip)
Sky_Paladin
Scum
ActionDan
This entire post reads to me like someone setting up suspicion for future lynches after AD today.
If ZMuff is strong town, why is SB nullish? GiF\thdkgms town since this game wasn't advertised as bastard.
I don't inherently trust mason claims. I believe it enough to have it be a non-issue until something happens that indicates the opposite, but I'm not going to completely write them off as town because of it.
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Because:
In post 974, Rylai Crestfall wrote:this Day Phase.
Welp, guess who misread part of their PM. I thought it made me immune during night phase. W/e
Scum don't have daytalk. I can easily see Rylai using this to scout out town's power roles and get towncred while also thinking that since he thought it made him immune to spell cards during the night, it would still allow him to kill without being tracked.-
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In post 1574, GuyInFreezer wrote:Rylai using that card to scout town's power makes zero sense when it equally shows the scum's power as well.
Then either scum have more power during the day (likely; virtually proven with AD scumflip), their powers during the night are mostly weak (least likely), or they have powers that aren't very indicative of scum usage (possible).
This doesn't mean a whole lot by itself.
Attempting to get towncred and trying to be night-cards immnue is contradictory.
I don't understand what you mean by this.-
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In post 1578, Sky_Paladin wrote:Didn't shoot Ank: shortlisted to shoot due to general uselesness +being found voting alongside scum on town.
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Look at this vote count and tell me that consolidation is not a better idea than having a completely useless vote on a slot that up to that point, had little traction to a lynch with two days being an absurdly short time togettraction when there are two slots that are already pretty much guaranteed to be the choices for the day.
Also interesting how you're going this angle after ignoring my last response to it. What you're suggesting about my voting pattern at deadline is a dead null tell when applied to me because I strongly believe there isn't a single game on this site I've played where I haven't done this in some form or another. I lurk for days at a time and ignore conversations. I either post whenever I have something to say or too much time has passed since the last time I posted something (AKA prod).
But no, I specifically stayed out of the conversation during the end of the day. It was ridiculous enough that saying anything would've been a complete waste of breath. If people cared enough about why I was around and not voting for Drezi, they'd ask me themselves. My stance was obvious enough by the fact that I was specifically not moving my vote anyway.-
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In post 1587, Sky_Paladin wrote:You claimed to relentless that shooting you would be "wasting your teams shot"
After going through six of Sakuras games and finding that yes, reading the current game was sufficient to determine a scum slot, I basically do not consider "I always do xyz" as a clear. I think you are scummy and I will gladly see you dead, unless you do something that causes me to revise my assessment.
a. I was scumreading that slot at the time.
b. The tone he used when he said he was going to shoot me was so slimy that it hurt. It's a relatively simple way to see whether he'd back off or try to play the same game.
c. Getting shot is a waste of my role. I will die if shot, but it's not productive for either alignment to.
If you're so sure that the lurking point is alignment-indicative, then go ahead and tunnel it all day if you want. Doesn't change the fact that it's playstyle over alignment.-
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In post 1605, Sky_Paladin wrote:@Ank
Explain this list of reads.
Highlighted for my pleasure:
Super Town
Ankamius
pieguyn
zMuffinMan
Probably Town
GuyInFreezer
Kagami
Malakittens
Shadoweh
thdgkdms
Atrophied Down to Nullish
Kilgamayan
SB
ooba
Scumlean
Katsuki
Rylai Crestfall (Goes down to heavy scumread with AD scumflip; goes up to nullish with AD townflip)
Sky_Paladin
Scum
ActionDan
You know Dan is scum since you have been 'paying attention to the game'. So why list Rylai's alignment to be indicated by a flip on Dan? More specifically, why is Rylai (and Rylai alone) alignment dependent on Dan?
Because of Sakura interactions. There's one specific post that rang alarm bells in my head and it makes the best rational sense with all 3 as a scumteam.
Malakittens is town because of neighborhood interactions.
In post 1605, Sky_Paladin wrote:PostI don't inherently trust mason claims.
Unless you believe all of Kilga, Thdgkgms and Guy in Freezer are scum, or one of the two fairies lied about being town confirmed (and if so, the other would report it), Thdgkgms and Guy in Freezer are confirmed town.
If you believe this is true, then there's nothing that would prove it to be false, in which case there's no real point to dwell on it.
In post 1605, Sky_Paladin wrote:1575Then either scum have more power during the day (likely; virtually proven with AD scumflip), their powers during the night are mostly weak (least likely), or they have powers that aren't very indicative of scum usage (possible).
What is this? It looks like an attempt to justify a scum read on Rylai for no real reason. I want to kill this slot next please.
Passive-aggressive without any justification for why I'm wrong.
In post 1605, Sky_Paladin wrote:1584It was ridiculous enough that saying anything would've been a complete waste of breath. If people cared enough about why I was around and not voting for Drezi, they'd ask me themselves. My stance was obvious enough by the fact that I was specifically not moving my vote anyway.
At what point did you decide that Drezi was scumbecause that is what you essentially did by remaining silent as he was pulled apart slowly over 48 hours while you watched on silentlyand deliberately. And if you thought he was scum, why didn't you vote for him?
That's the point. I never thought Drezi was scum.
In post 1605, Sky_Paladin wrote:In 696, responding to Relentless who threatened to vig you, Ank said:
Have fun wasting your shot.
Just now he said, in 1586
Actually, now that I look at it, I don't understand why you think I claimed bulletproof either.
Thislooksto me that he got his role mixed up, or is making up things. I can accept that he would want to fudge being night immune but the fact that he specifically brought it up as something I had 'got wrong' when he had distinctly stated it earlier in the game looks very bad.
Relentless was your main scum read at the time. If you believed he is scum, why would you say he is 'wasting his shot' to kill you, if you didn't have some kind of defensive mechanism?
You're trying to burn me for assumptions YOU made instead of what I specifically said.
Like I said in my last post, I have a role that is wasted if I get shot. If enough stars align, it could help town a great deal. It's a possibility that could be incredibly useful, but it's pointless to try to shut it down by scum because it's not strong enough by itself to be worth eliminating.-
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