Street Racers: New York (Game over!)

[BirdAndBeast]

Mastin is V/LA for like a week. Apparently he has dialup *shudder* and wont be on much because of that.

Desire to vote Roger Thornhill....rising.... But mastin told me to vote for one of the last people to confirm since they prevented him from participating in RVS.

P-edit: So I will hop on this bandwagon VOTE: Dumbledore

-Kazooie

[BirdAndBeast]

So Parama how fake is that Dayvig? >.>

Actually Roger HAS to be town. No way maf is that obvious.

[BirdAndBeast]

well, it's true that this is my first game. But when i said i have no clue i meant that i just want to wait a bit and see who votes for whom. it's a different strategy than yours. so deal with it. VOTE: no lynch

Why so defensive? I said you were probably town. Why vote for a no lynch as opposed to just not voting then?

[BirdAndBeast]

Re 14 and 15: Didn't read the rules with respect to what? Bold tags? Roger, are you town?

Mastin isn't here atm, but he is in spirit. I actually just typed up a wall post calling you all scum with liberal use of 's, but I decided to spare you all from my bullshit.

-Kazooie

[BirdAndBeast]

Lol, no. It does matter to me. And PMing you about it will get me modkilled.

[BirdAndBeast]

*insert cries of hydra dissonance here*

Mastin is V/LA for like a week. Apparently he has dialup *shudder* and wont be on much because of that.

AP misunderstood. I will be V/LA for a week, starting on the 23rd or so. (Actually, on the 21st, since I will be prepping for vacation on Friday and Saturday.) I left on Wednesday just before the game was to open, but I'm still on normal access 'til tomorrow, at which time I'll become V/LA.

So, yay, you get one day of me!

By the way, Roger's totally scum.
TML's scum with him. Discuss.

[BirdAndBeast]

mastin and I talked a little bit. We agree that there is something odd about Roger and his interactions with me.

I think njoseph is town.

UNVOTE: Albus Dumbledore
VOTE: Roger Thornhill

[BirdAndBeast]

I think njoseph is town.

Feeling's mutual.

But AP, for the sake of not spamming the game

too

badly, you really should check our QT more often.

[BirdAndBeast]

banjo kazooie is town. (why does banjo look so angry in the avvie?)
lean town on nj.

Tell us something we don't already know, TML. You're not earning townpoints with this post at all.

[BirdAndBeast]

You call reads, I call either buddying or active lurking. (Pick your poison. )

We're the two most obvtown players of all time, so of course we look town. nj's done a good job of showing why he's town as well, and we've already said as much.

So you echoing it does absolutely nothing new.

[BirdAndBeast]

Also, Sixx is scum.

Unvote,

VOTE: Sixx.

[BirdAndBeast]

Other than that, I would have to agree with not lynching Rodger right now.

Okay, fine, but who

do

we lynch, Jacob?

Suspects, now. You've given none.

[BirdAndBeast]

Vote: Aj the Epic

He is obviously scum.

Do tell.

[BirdAndBeast]

ArcAngel, care to join us?

[BirdAndBeast]

Also, this is a seriously newb/alt-dominated game. We have at minimum nine players who are not very experienced. The total number of players who I have no familiarity with is 14.

So, could everyone give me an idea of how much experience you have with the game, and where? (Especially on-site. On-site games are good.) And about how often you play and how recently you last played?

[BirdAndBeast]

And you're choosing not to vote...
...Why?

[BirdAndBeast]

I think Jacob is townie. Mastin said he'll just trust me on that one.

AJ and Njoseph are townreads for us.

I'm squinting at thezmon221.

~Bird

P-edit: there are just a lot of newish accounts here is all. I brought it up in our hydra QT.

[BirdAndBeast]

Sixx, opinion on thezmon?

[BirdAndBeast]

I kind of want mastin to check in before I move votes around.

But Parama gets an honorary town cookie for sharing muh reads.

Thezmon221 and Sixx are both good votes right now.

~Bird

[BirdAndBeast]

Hi Arcangel. I heard my name.

Mastin and I are so obvtown. You look town, Why you vote us?

~Bird

[BirdAndBeast]

Ya, Sixx is scum. Vote it up. Look at all of that waffling and 'woe is me' crap in RVS.

[BirdAndBeast]

^ ~Kazooie

Lol, and mastin IS me. We are hydra'ing. Im AngryPidgeon when Im not wearing this mask.

~Kazooie.

[BirdAndBeast]

Spoiler: Camo is probably just derp

He clearly didn't read past P1. Scum camo probably doesn't just slap a vote down for dumb reasons w/o reading past P1.

[BirdAndBeast]

But if we PL Roger we get the added bonus of a scumflip.

Its like having your cake and eating it too.

~Angry Peejeen.

[BirdAndBeast]

Hey everybody, I'm here. Please don't Policy Lynch me like many others are willing to do.

Okay, now I think you're scum.

He says that literally every game. Because he doesn't check to see if people are PLing him, but he assumes they are (they usually are).

I want to talk to Mastin before moving forward with a super serious post. I kinda want to lynch Thezmon221 though.

@Nhammen: We actually lean town on Librarian right now.

Only reason that I'm not going to vote Roger is simply because this is his first game and I'm going to hope he learns something from it.

Re post 48: I thought this was scummy. Sixx is avoiding voting at all. And explicitly mentions a reason why he isn't voting for Roger. Just looked like an overjustification for a non-vote. lol.

How about we lynch scummies and whoever has vig shots can vig from the PL pool for excellent profit?

[BirdAndBeast]

I don't see a reason to D1 lynch him.

Only reason that I'm not going to vote Roger

is simply because this is his first game and I'm going to hope he learns something from it.

But you apparently DID see a reason to lynch him in post 39. What reason was that?

@Parama: Wahh wahh. Mastin's around. We'll come up with a sexy battle plan shortly.

[BirdAndBeast]

Ehhh, I don't know whats normal for PM, honestly. He replaced out of a game I was in with him and lurked through 2 others. That is the longest post Ive seen him make. People like to PL him because he has a tendency to lurk.

His post didn't really strike me too much either way.

~Kazooie.

[BirdAndBeast]

OKAY, LET'S DO THIS SHIT.

Heather's scum. Sixx is scum. Thezmon is scum. Roger is possible scum. We're lynching one of them.

[BirdAndBeast]

AND HERE IS WHO WE WON'T BE LYNCHING.

AJ is townish. Dumbledore looks townish. nhammen is townish as well. ArcAngel is def-town, as is njoseph and TML. Baby Spice is town. Jacob is town. Johnny looks town. Killer Apple is town. Theomoaner's townish, as is unseencamo.

[BirdAndBeast]

SO WHO DOES THAT LEAVE?

Bride of Sadistyx, Parama, PMysterious, and SoraAdvent of those who have posted (reads pending),
Bumi, DayVigilante, ewo2, and Robert2424 of those who haven't.

There are approximately 4 names in the above who are also scum.

[BirdAndBeast]

Sorry, "Bird" (As I am referring to both who are playing the role), but why are you obvtown again? Because you're a hydra?

We are. Simple as that.

Unvote,
VOTE: Thezmon221.

[BirdAndBeast]

My scum list is going to suck but since you're going to keep asking for it it is as follows -

Awesome list, I know. I have a pro-town list over a anti town list but that is again shifty because its D1.

KILL IT.
KILL IT WITH FIRE.

[BirdAndBeast]

I am comfortable any of them.

Then join us on thezmon. If there were to be a dayvig, they'd take out Sixx. But since dayvigs aren't a common role, we can't rely on 'em. Thezmon today, Sixx tomorrow (or also today if there's a dayvig).

[BirdAndBeast]

Do you have a reason? I don't have much experience with large games like this, but wouldn't it make more sense to take out an inactive on D1, seeing as the first lynch will probably be a townie and the inactive players don't contribute much anyway?

Irony abound, Apple. You've yet to give a reason for voting AJ the Epic, and he most certainly isn't an inactive player, so that can't be your reasoning.

[BirdAndBeast]

Bumi is town. Ok.

Thezmon221 is scum and you should all vote for him. Here is why.

1. Over-justification of his votes/opinions.

VOTE: Dumbledore

Seems like a good place to start.

Irregardless, if you must know, I voted Dumbledore to put pressure on. Admittedly, I went through the posts semi-quickly

Since Dumbledore hasn't even posted yet, I might as well switch now than later.
UNVOTE:
VOTE: Rodger

He is clearly very conscious about what other people think about him. Lays down a random vote in post 59 and implies he has a reason for it. The he says that reason is pressure in post 85; which is pretty dubious in itself, all things considered. Pressuring someone that has yet to post? Why dumbledore then? Then he flips onto Roger whilst defending his old vote lightly to make it seem legitimate.

2. Saying/implying that we can't 'prove' he is scum

So explain to me why I'm scum? Because it then looks like your "obvscum" claim isn't so obvious after all, nor your argument.

So I ask again, why am I scum? Or if you like, you can refute the points I have had to reiterate.

You've yet to actually answer one of my questions

This is an INCREDIBLY scummy attitude. It reeks of 'You cant prove Im scum! You have no reason to know Im scum! You can't prove anything!' Its scummy because he is trying to show he is town. The underlying tone here is that we are voting him and he doesn't see why (because hes clearly town and not scum!). Also he implies that we don't have a good reason and therefore he is town and we aren't answering his (clearly pro-town) questions about why we are voting him. Its scuuuuum.

Also more on this, he tries to discredit the case against him by asserting most of it is just sheeping and creating a silly strawman about us thinking we are obvtown just for being a hydra. Oh, and he accused mastin and I of active lurking which is flat out 100% untrue. Its just a discreditting attempt.

3. Lack of original thought. Looking at his ISO, I can't really point to any thoughts that look genuine.

~Bird.

Pedit: Librarian was the first person to call out Thez, lol.

[BirdAndBeast]

Apple iss so hilariously

scum

derp

ftfy

~Bird

[BirdAndBeast]

Bird is firmly a "I think he's town but I want an investigative role on him to make sure" read for me right now

Lolno. We're dead n1, bro.

[BirdAndBeast]

When Njoseph and Arc placed votes, please tell me you at least smell a rat.

Multiple times I was ready to comment on something, only to see that Arc had already beaten me to the punch. No way she's scum. Njoseph is pretty obvtown from posts as well. If a rat is present, it aint either of 'em, nor is it TML.

[BirdAndBeast]

Not even going to start on how Wifom-y that was.

Pfft, you know it's true. If not for being obvtown, if not for having reads which are actually a threat, then for being annoying.

[BirdAndBeast]

No joke: it'd be easier to quote the parts of ArcAngel's posts which DON'T make me think town.

[BirdAndBeast]

I think Roger is town.

Definitely possible.

[BirdAndBeast]

Roger Thornhill (5): Bride of Sadistyx, SoraAdvent, thezmon221, Parama, njoseph

Which'd make this highly suspect, by the way.

[BirdAndBeast]

And this is twice now that we have to ask, Bumi--you're reading now, but surely you have some sort of suspect.

[BirdAndBeast]

(Oh, and by the way--AJ's been kicked off the town list.)

[BirdAndBeast]

(Oh, and by the way--AJ's been kicked off the town list.)

[BirdAndBeast]

I present two charges to her: Sheeping and Role fishing day vig.

Both of these are bullshit. She's clearly not sheeping, and she was clearly not rolefishing for a dayvig.

[BirdAndBeast]

I think this is yours.

What is wrong with a day vig day killing exactly? Sheeping is not scummy, its just sheeping. And ArcAngel clearly had original thoughts of her own if you ISO her.

[BirdAndBeast]

Personally probably Parama + Nhammen but nothing more than gut about it.

There, was that so hard?

Go iso. 192 is obv-sheep. She makes no disguise of it. Basically "Good reason, here's your vote".
199, she's trying to draw a vig kill out. Specifically on Sixx. Whether she wants to control the vig, get someone to claim, or just set up an easy kill, she obviously stated that she wants to know if there is one. Well, there are only two ways for a day vig to answer that: Day kill or reply 'there is' or something to that effect.

If you think ArcAngel was sheeping, you need to get better at reading sub-text.
If you think ArcAngel was rolefishing for a day-vig, then you need to play more games to realize just how stupid an accusation that is. Asking for a dayvig on a player, if any tell at all, would be town, not scum.

[BirdAndBeast]

...And as you can tell by our crossposting the same exact thing, we're both in agreement on this.

[BirdAndBeast]

Asking to day vig a player this early when not everyone has even checked in is really bad in my mind. To me, the vig needs to operate on their own reads until they have a confirmed townie to reason with.

One need not have all players checked in to have confirmed townies to reason and work with. What you're trying to use to support your argument is undermining it.

[BirdAndBeast]

Hey, Thez, you see that big wagon on us?

...No?

...Okay then.

You see that big wagon on you, that we're spearheading?

...Yeah, that one?


...There's a reason for that.

We're obvtown for a reason, and your failure to grasp it is one of the reasons you're scum.

[BirdAndBeast]

Bird here, swooping in to say a few words. Thezmon is scum. He is my numbah one target for the rest of the Day. AJ can go next for chainsawing and soft-defending the shit out of him.

Look at all that BULLSHIT. "EVERYONE VOTING ME W/O A REASON IS A SHEEP. AND PROB SCUM" "Oh except you nhammen, lets be bffs. Why are you voting me though, cant you see how frustrated I am?"

Nooooooooope. Stop right there criminal scum. What do you mean 'an ultimatum where you can't be town?' We are pretty sure you are scum and we are voting you. This is mafia. And Nhammen is conf-town the instant you flip scum.

@Unseencamo:

Spoiler:

@Thez: How about you tell us who on the wagon is scummy? Saying we have a bunch of sheep is just mud-flinging. What is your read on Parama?

[BirdAndBeast]

@AJ, Heather and anyone else saying that We can't be trusted because we have sheep onto Thez. What the hell are you smoking / are you scum?

This is mafia. No one is right 100% of the time. Ever. No one is right 70% of the time. Ever.

Thez is saying scummy things and is getting votes. We made a case on him. I stand by anything and everything we said for suspecting him originally. And anyone blaming us for PEOPLE SHEEPING US and there being a wagon needs to either claim scum or get their heads out of theirs asses RIGHT NOW.

And why are you being selective? Did Parama/TML/nhammen not ALSO contribute to this? Just know that independent of the Thez flip, anyone saying this deserves a second look (Heather, AJ, etc).

~Bird.

P.S: We are semi-VLA. Mastin is VLA for about a week and Im semi-VLA.

[BirdAndBeast]

Instead of howling about short days / quick lynches, lets discuss something relevant then?

I think Parama might be scum. I doubt Heather and AJ are both scum since they are parroting each other. One could be. Probably Heather.

Why does Thezmon seem town to you?

[BirdAndBeast]

@B&B - please point out where I used the word sheep. You seem to be lumping my argument in as an exact copy of AJ's. It's not, if you would actually care to read my post where I asked you some questions. None of which you've bothered to answer yet, I see. What I see in you is a bully who uses intimidation to scare people into agreeing with you. Sorry, it's not going to work with me. I don't let myself get bullied.

What? Please point to anything Ive done that qualifies as bullying. Finding Qs...

[BirdAndBeast]

@B&B - if you succeed in your bludgeoning tactic and lynch Thez and he flips town - what then? Will you actually reconsider your other "obv" reads to date? If he's lynched and flips scum, then I would have to acknowledge that you do apparently have some sort of scumhunting superpower - but right now I think you're just reaching.

Wow, really? I think that was one question, not multiple questionS. And it is a mostly rhetorical question at that. If Thez flips town, of course we will reconsider things. I have a reputation for changing my mind a lot even without flips being had. None of our reads are 'obv'. Its Day 1 and most people have 3-4 posts. But we work with what we have.

So to answer your singular yes/no question - yes.

Side note. In your 3rd post, I find it interesting that you say you think that Thez is town and THEREFORE you don't trust our scum-read on you. Do you not know your own alignment? Wouldnt that statement make more sense the other way around? (You know our read on you is wrong and therefore dont trust our Thez read?)

And yes, we are both aggressive. ITs just our playstyle. We like to get our hands dirty or else we feel we aren't playing as well as we could.

~Kazooie

[BirdAndBeast]

Wow. My mind is blown right now.

~Kazooie

[BirdAndBeast]

Couple points I guess.

Re "Lumping people into scum bucket that oppose us": I said that at MOST one of you/AJ are scum. And I think PMyst is town. Mastin was nullish on AJ, leaning scummy if Thez flips scum and null on PMyst.

Re "Im not worried about you describing me as scum": Why would you be worried at all about my read on you? I just don't understand why town-you is spending so much of your posting speculating about how *WE* will look bad Tomorrow and therefore you aren't concerned about us calling you scum.

Re "being clever". I'm a clever guy. But, no. I play this game by trying to understand people's train of thoughts. I don't understand why you are speculating on OUR opinion of YOUR alignment holding water TOMORROW after a hypothetical flip. Do you have any reason to think Thez is town? Because, if not, surely he has an average ~25% chance of being scum, right?

....

Wait one fucking second. Why did you put "reads" in quotes if you think we are town? "reads" implies that we are making shit up because we are scum. And yes Im definitely nit-picking now.

~Kazooie.

@JohnnyFarrar: Its not so much that Im obvscum. Im obvtown when Im town. When Im scum Im just kind of _around_ and not obv-anything. My opinion. That said [snark] If I am obvscum as scum, why would I even need to sign my posts for you to see the obvscum? Derp [/snark]

[BirdAndBeast]

Spoiler: Heather

@Heather: I have nothing against new players and Im offended that you think I would purposefully troll a game and vote newbies because I dislike them. I don't and I would NEVER play the game to any less than my best.

If you are town, I do not see why you are saying this. You are wrong. I assume you are just throwing that out there to appear opinionated and discredit me though (because you are scum).

Not scumhunting is your own fault. Nobody else's.

Honestly, Im getting this crazy vibe that you are trying to goad me into voting you.

And you never answered my question. Why do you think Thez is town and not just a null-read?

@ Heather/Apple: Also, I made 1 (fairly succinct IMO) case for why we think Thez is scum. And one post saying that his reaction to nhammen was bad. How are we forcing ANYTHING down ANYONE's throat with a solid TWO posts about why Thez is scum?

tl;dr: IF you are scum, then ok, but otherwise what you are saying about us has been flatout wrong (about us calling scum anyone that reads town on Thez) and (Us not liking new players) and (Us preventing you from scumhunting). So if you are town then actually read the thread and stop wasting everyone's time arguing with someone you think is town and convince us to vote somewhere else.

[BirdAndBeast]

Spoiler: Mastin catching up

Spoilered 'cause this is likely going to be a small wall covering many points which AP likely has already addressed.

Why are you obvitown Bird? You accept it like it's a given, seems pretty dogmatic.

Again, it's self-evident. We're town, and EXTREMELY transparent players when it comes to our playstyles. When we're scum, it shows. When we're town, it's obvious.

thezmon221 (12): The Mini-Librarian, nhammen, BirdAndBeast, njoseph, Parama, ArcAngel9, Baby Spice, SoraAdvent, unseencamo, JohnnyFarrar, JacobSavage, Albus Dumbledore
^With the possible exception of Parama, these guys are all so town it's painful.

So you've got like 2-3 sheep on a wagon? That's cool. That doesn't make you obvtown.

This is not only a pretty blatant misrep of the point, but also an out-right falsehood; almost all the members on the thez wagon have stated or implied their reasons.

and declaring anyone who disagrees with you even the slightest bit to be scum.

Nope, only those who're resisting thez-as-scum.
On other players, sure, yeah, YMMV (even ours does--for instance, we still think you're scum, but we're not nearly as sure in it as other reads), but thez is about as caught as scum caught can be.

@B&B - if you succeed in your bludgeoning tactic and lynch Thez and he flips town - what then? Will you actually reconsider your other "obv" reads to date?

Reconsider, always. Mastin golden rule #2--reads to fit the evidence, not evidence to fit the reads. We constantly do this, consistently re-evaluating our stances at all times.

Come to a different conclusion, not very likely. (Except on one or two players.) Since our reads

do

constantly evolve, a flip one way or the other doesn't really influence things that much.

Hey Banjo/Kazooie, I'd love it if you would put who made each post at the bottom of ALL your posts. I was told somewhere that scumPidgeon is really easy to spot.

Actually, we both are. Read Discworld Mafia--I'm half of the hydra Calcifer. I've laid out which posts in that game are mine, so it's not hard to realize that my scum play is entirely different from my town play; I do NOT play scum well. And neither does AP.

You won't get me signing my posts, though given that I'm on dial-up, I'll be the one posting the walls rather than spamposting.

it seems that you saw a bunch of people from another site and decided we must all be scum.

Pretty blatantly false as well. IDGAF where someone's from. I care about their alignment in this game. There are plenty of people in this game who are from elsewhere that we've read town (or null-town) and there are people in this game who aren't from elsewhere that we read as null or null-scum. As evident in our list of reads.

I dunno what to say anymore
Not much is happening

Yeah...seeing Parama as the most suspect name on the thez wagon. Regardless of thez's flip, Parama's posts are bad. Seriously, seriously bad.

[BirdAndBeast]

Sup.

I came for some Kazooie action.

Hi Jal!



FWIW, Mastin commented on the Heather slot and I reconsidered a bit. I tend to think its very town. So Jal can be town. Which is good because scum-Jal scares me.

Jal, Bumi, Librarian are probably mt best town reads. Babyspice, unseencamp, Johnny, pmyst, Dumbledore, nhammen are lesser town reads.

[BirdAndBeast]

^ That post rings town to me a bit.

But off the top of my head I can point to several scumbags Ive lynched that have reacted with the same "You cant PROVE Im scum" attitude that he did right after we voted him. From this site.

Jal is looking town. I don't necessarily agree with you though. Thez has experience, he can OMGUS and that is null. But I really don't like where he essentially said that we can't 'prove' he is scum and why are we so confident. Its posturing, and its a classic scumtell.

That said, I'll make a point to look at JS's ISO with Mastin. His Arcangel vote was pretty awful.

[BirdAndBeast]

@StrangerCoug

: Thez is voting ArcAngel

[BirdAndBeast]

Eh, thez could be town. On the supporting side, multiple players vouching for thez equals either an entire scumteam trying desperately to keep a scum player alive, or as them actually being right.
Also supporting it, they have a good point; thez's early posts were horribad, but later posts do ring more townish than scum.

On the flip side of that, thez's wagon (contrary to the claims made)

didn't

form easily and

did

stall, with a lot of people defending thez, combined with the terribad early posting from thez. We'll talk it over in our QT, so nullish for now.

[BirdAndBeast]

Bird here. I am going to be limited access until the first. Going to be out of town, but I'll still make some posts. Small catchup right now.

Your Reason 2, Your scum list is equals to the players who voted you, i was only telling that everybody who voted you are not scummy. you need to see that positively if you're a townie.

^ This might be the most townie sounding sentence I have ever read. ArcAngel is frustrated and genuinely trying to make Thez understand flaws in town-Thez's reasoning? Toooooooown.

@Dumbledore:

Who are your scumreads?

Thez,

AtE is not even remoooootely a scumtell. To the contrary, its a towntell from most people. Typically it means they really believe what they are trying to say.

You called ArcAngel defensive in a post in which she was calling you scum for a weak vote. Given that you switched your vote to her with no provided reasons for why SHE is scum, I don't see the issue with that.

ArcAngel is town. Her thoughts make sense and her frustration looks incredibly genuine. There is no way scum-AA makes post 415 unless she is the best new scum-player EVER.

Happy Birthday StrangerCoug!

@Jal:

I still need to look at JS. He didn't look super town to me in my catchup just now and I can't remember why I thought he was town before.

[BirdAndBeast]

Specifically, links to stuff. I'm feeling extra lazy today.

Oh god, me too. You have no idea how much I just want to nap and watch TV

[BirdAndBeast]

Angry P's theory of replacements.

Regardless of starting compositions, all games converge on a finite and well-defined player base of replacements.

[BirdAndBeast]

Jal, read on Jeck, go!

[BirdAndBeast]

We thought BabySpice was town earlier, post 482 looks really town too.

@Nacho: Mastin and I are town. You be too.

I can't tell if jeck is obvscum or obvtown. Leaning obvtown though.

~Bird

[BirdAndBeast]

Nacho is obvtown.

I dislike your reason for Thez = town. Absolutely no reason scum Camo wasn't voting Scum Thez with that. And Im not sold on Camo's scumminess anyhow. Looks too derp.

Nhammen Im a little edgy about. I 100% agree with your train of thought on Heather.

As to where we stand. Sixx vote? Who replaced Bride?

[BirdAndBeast]

LurkerMcgee replaced Bride. (Idiot King). Nullville for us.

P-edit: Ztife replaced camo?

Why is TML scum?

[BirdAndBeast]

UNVOTE: Thez
VOTE: Sixx

Well I haven't consulted with my sexier half, but I know Mastin has been listing Sixx as scum consistently in thread and QT. And I also think Sixx is leaning scummy. And I would prefer that this happen than Nacho's Camo replacement wagon.

P-edit: Damn, why can't all townies be as obvious as Nacho >.> Content that makes sense. Good posts. Clear thoughts.

And I don't reallydo meta cases. I looked at that ISO.

[BirdAndBeast]

@B&B - its clear thez is your #1 but who are your others at this point of the day phase?

Thez is NOT our #1 anymore. Heck, thez is well on the town side of null for continously posting good. (The mod listing our vote as being on thez is a moderator error; we switched our vote pages ago to be off of thez--onto njoseph, if memory serves me.)

That's probably be either you or Parama.

[BirdAndBeast]

hey mastin i hope you're not scum
because boy would that suck for you

Good thing I'm not, then.

That said, if I had drawn a scum PM (again), misery loves company.

Butyeah, we're town. By what people are saying of sheeping you on Sixx (haven't actually read that, yet, but I saw it on the page my post was on), I think you're scum as well. We'll dominate the scum, now.

UNVOTE: njoseph, (

mod:

check our iso; this is where our vote has been for a number of days, NOT on thez)
VOTE: Sixx.

[BirdAndBeast]

(Mastin does, give him a little while with it and he'll probably agree with me)

It'll have to wait. Vacation and all that.

Right now, I'm actually feeling a little wiped out when it comes to this game. Heck, I'm kinda having trouble keeping track of who is who.
Add in my dial-up connection, and that I couldn't log in yesterday thanks to some internet failure, and that it's almost 2 am here (so I'm pretty tired at the moment), and, well, I'll have to tackle it when my head's actually in the game. Right now, I can tell you it mostly isn't.

[BirdAndBeast]

(*isos self* Errm...Or not. Coulda SWORN we changed our vote. Guess not. :/)

[BirdAndBeast]

slysly is town, so yeah, whoever said killerapple was town is right.

That would be us.

I mean, his reads are hilariously bad if he honestly thinks that I, Mastin, treat my scumbuddies the way I've treated ArcAngel (he'd know, thanks to Discworld Mafia--busbusbusbusbus; those early posts were all mine) or even Bumi, butyeah, he's town.


Still having trouble getting my head into the game, as keeping track of replacements is getting to be a rather nasty chore. But right now, am coordinating reads with AP.
Also, I wanna take a look at all the players and their stated reads as of their last posts. See what kind of overlap there is and what patterns I can find from it--but that'll have to wait 'til after my vacation ends. Really want to try it out; it's a revamp of two separate older methods I want to merge into a new one.

[BirdAndBeast]

Mod:

Dunno 'bout AP, but I'm

severely V/LA until Monday, January 7th, 2013

. I'll do what I can to contribute, but most of our content will be from AP...who is ALSO currently V/LA.

He hasn't been posting in our QT, but I could seriously use his help for bouncing reads. Anyway,

Unvote,
Vote: njoseph.

Call it gut, but the Sixx wagon suddenly seems poisonous to me. Much as SlySly is wrong, he did raise some good points, and having thez vouch for Sixx, combined with nj's reasoning for hopping on, was enough for that. (Though note the lack of vote tags. There's a reason for that. )

[BirdAndBeast]

<shitty excuse for a post>
Hey , AP checking in. I just got back from my ski trip yesterday and New Years Eve happened. And I had to catch up on some work I was putting off today. So I will read and post tomorrow when Im not hungover/in-need-of-a-back-massage/worried-about-presenting-this-shitty-project-in-SF-tomorrow.

[BirdAndBeast]

I'm catching up and consolidating thoughts in the QT right now. I still have several pages to go, but I wanted to throw it out there:

I think Ztife (Camo replacement) is scum. That post that Nacho called out a few pages back WAS really awful. I couldn't really put my finger on it at first, but it just looks like bad posturing. Jeck's read list was bad too. Im squinting at idiotking, but he might just be an idiot king.

[BirdAndBeast]

So uhhhh. Ztife/jeck are double bussing each other? Discuss? Still 8 pages behind, reading during a meeting. Awww yeeeee.

~Bird.

[BirdAndBeast]

Angry P here. I just caught up about 11 pages and (unfortunately) it looks like some of Mastin/my reads are diverging.

Spoiler: My updated reads list for reference

TOWN (divided into definitely town, probably town, leaning town):

Jal
Nacho

BabySpice
Njoseph
ArcAngel
SlySly
Darthe
Parama - less sure here.

TheMiniLibrarian
IdiotKing
Albus Dumbledore
KillerJester
Peregrine (layover from Johnny mainly)
Pmyst

SCUM

AJ the Epic
Ztife

Bumi
Jeck
nhammen
Sixx

Nullish
Thezmon - I still get bad vibes from him though
DayVigilante - No posts
Robert2424
Jacob Savage

1. Notable changes in my reads.

Slysly

looks townie to me. I strongly doubt scum opens with a post about multiball and calling out Team A whilst voting someone else and calling them 'Team B'. I strongly disagree with the analysis, but its pretty bold for scum to make such a post that could look like knowing more than they should. Also voting Njoseph and calling everyone else scummier is a good way to get wagoned. So town lean on Slysly.

I can see

idiotking

town. His posts make sense to me and I get his suspicion of Mastin/myself. His explanation feel genuine so far. Town lean. (Fake edit: specifically post 522 looks town)

Njoseph

is town and I apologize to Mastin, but I have to unvote it. I strongly doubt he is flipping scum. His AtE looks really genuine and is absolutely something I would expect from town here. Im a sucker for AtE. Whenever I see it in LyLo's I read (*COUGH* SWORD OF OMENS AND JAL *COUGH*) it damn near always comes from town. But Jal is leaning town on njoseph already, so : ).

UNVOTE: njoseph

Darthe

looks too carefree to be scum. Hes saying shit that could easily get him wagoned but it appears to me he is just speaking his mind and is confident enough in his reads/play that he is just trying to shove the right wagon. Clearly doesn't care too much about people's opinions of him. If hes scum, he is playing it very well.

Parama

- I'm lightly sheeping Nacho's read here. I do agree with Nacho that Parama is trying really hard if he is scum and for now Im going to occam's razor and believe that his PL pushes and frustrations are genuine.

-----

AJ the scum

. Those of you who are chanting "Burn all active lurkers" should seriously point your pitchforks at AJ. Holy cow. 502 and 552 look REAAAAAALLY fake.

Hey, is anyone else reading the same garbage that Njoseph is posting? Someone explain how anyone has been scummier than that, he hops another wagon with no reason whatsoever. I keep reading his posts thinking "What the hell are you talking about?". He is in complete disconnect and simply hoping that no one is watching him hop wagons like crazy.

This is an awful post. AJ is going for low-hanging fruit because njoseph is making a VI of himself this game. This post is light buddying to anyone that thinks njoseph is playing bad and, to me, it looks like really fake emotion. "Look how annoyingly bad Njoseph is! We have to lynch him! Hes probably scum too for voting a lot!"

Wrong. This post is scummy and AJ is scum for posting it.

Post 502 is just a waffle with no real content except to look emotional. Im not buying it one bit. I will not buy his green eggs and ham, Scum I am.

We should lynch AJ.

Bumi

- Not liking Bumi recently. His back and forth with Slysly was really bad. Bumi is focuing awfully hard on slysly and his reaction is a little bit awkward. The 'what will you do when I flip town' and 'what will you do if AA flips town' and the repeated 'please explain how calling AA town is scummy' looks like he is trying to subtly pin Slysly on acting sleazy. Bumi's response lacks any real emotion that I can see although he is clearly

trying

to appear concerned/interested by SlySly's antics. I think he is just hoping Slysly will shoot himself in the foot and look bad after a AA/me town flip. SUMMARY: Bumi isn't showing any unique opinions/emotions in this backandforth and the questions hes asking look like really cheap ways to be doing something. Not buying this farm either.

Ztife

- Ok, Darthe tells Thez to shut up. Jeck is voting Ztife and Ztife is vtoing Thez. In his next post, Ztife unvotes Thez to vote Darthe (because Darthe told Thez he was being useless). Its interesting that Ztife WHO WAS VOTING THEZ, was so flabbergasted by Darthe calling Thez useless/scummy that he votes Darthe instead of keeping his vote on Thez (apparently Darthe/Ztife BOTH think Thez is useless, so ) Also, as Nacho pointed out, post 503 looks like really awful nitpicking and patchwork quilting of a vote on Thezmon. The scummy cherry is Ztife being sure to distance from his predecessors opinions about Thez at the end of the post - who cares? Hes just scum trying to show how original his thoughts are. GG.

Jeck

-

scumradar - because I know longer believe thez to be a scum Im looking for scum that were voting on him, especially late or people that never voted on him in the first place.

/ case. GG. We solved it. We found the crime.

Nhammen

- I dont really want to talk about right now. His posts just don't ring genuine to me. He just looks like hes picking out easy talking points and posting about them. His wall posts are squid ink. But I know that there is likely no support for this today. So lets focus elsewhere!~

Sixx

- Mastin and I need to reconcile this read. Im not sure why he unvoted in favor of the up and coming Njoseph wagon, but I prefer this one over Joseph. I still prefer anyone above Sixx on my scumlist to Sixx, but Sixx is probably scum (I might even make a case!).

2. Hydra thangs!

Mastin is still almost entirely V/LA for about 6 days. Which means most of this game Day is going to be me. So I may just executive decisions some votes if I have to since I don't think Mastin is guaranteed to be around to discuss things with me in a timely manner.

P-edit: Oh, Edo looks town. I cant remember how you replaced.

I encourage everyone to read Nhammen's latest post and tell me with a straight face that there is anything useful in that cloud of smoke.

[BirdAndBeast]

Reported.

Is somehow superior?

There was a spam post from someone not in the game that SC deleted. Sixx was posting about that.

[BirdAndBeast]

The case on NJoseph seems to be: "Look how irrational he's being! Hes making posts that are less than 100% serious, clearly hes scum!"

"Hes lurking!"

"Hes being derp!"

None of those are seriously scumtells and the last one is actually a towntell. The way I see it is. Njoseph is being emotional and is contributing less than others. And his multiposts look like no content because of what they are. Thats not scummy though. It just looks like an easy wagon that can be cast off as a PL wagon after the flip.

@Jal/Nacho: Ztife wagon. You have my axe. I think, lol. Actually, ya. Mastin is V/LA so I'm winging it.

[BirdAndBeast]

@Thez: I haven't been able to talk to my partner since he has been extensively V/La. But, ya. AJ, Ztife, Bumi are probably my top 3. Nhammen/Jeck/Sixx are scummy but a little less "Wow, this person is definitely scum" than AJ/Ztife/Bumi. Especially AJ though, holy cow. His recent posts are so fake it hurts.

Ztife's posts look like patchwork cases where he is just picking out any possible detail he can find that is scummy.

And his move from Thez to Darthe because Darthe called Thez 'useless' was hilariously scummy since he was voting Thez at the time.

[BirdAndBeast]

I believe that it would be a mistake to not try and lynch Njoseph. Sure, it may take a lot of votes

I mean, wtf is this post. Lynch this shit.

[BirdAndBeast]

@PV: Why is Nhammen town? He isn't doing very much. His posts are just picking out easy things to comment on from the thread and making walls out of them. I can't see any super town-looking thought that he has had. Hes like the 2nd star wars movie. All of his post are packaged and pretty and filmed on a green screen. It like hes filling in Mad libs: player:____________ is alignment:______________ because of common-tell:___________________. Player:__________________, what do you think of Player:_____________?

Am I wrong?

PV, what are your dream wagons right now if you could get them?

P-edit: Ok, good posting.

[BirdAndBeast]

Sigh.
@PV: Camo was replaced by Ztife. I know Nacho / Parama wanted to lynch that.

[BirdAndBeast]

Also evidently Me/Jal and possibly Thez.

[BirdAndBeast]

perfect scum

and a perfect town game

VOTE: Ztife

[BirdAndBeast]

Seriously, how did we win that. You me and qwints bussed the everloving shit out of each other and at least 2 of us were under suspicion at any given time. Yet somehow no one ever got us lynched >.>

[BirdAndBeast]

I also like Nacho's Sixx case. It summed up pretty well why I felt he was scum all along.

@Nacho re Bumi/nhammen: I don't typically look for associative tells early on (and not as much as others later). Scum will interact with their buddies or not interact with their buddies however they want and that isn't reliable. So I have individual reads on both, and ya I think they could be scum together. Bumi voting Nhammen doesn't ultimately mean much to me. (Especially since its the first vote on him)

Re Jeck:...hm. Im a little iffy on this in hindsight because Jeck is new and his posts are odd for language/being-new reasons. His reactions just seem like non-sequiturs to me. Like in post 807, his response to me saying he/Ztife are a team is to vote Sixx? I wasnt even voting Sixx? What inspired town Jeck to do that?

Post 572 looks like bad posturing. He did all those quote stripes to justify keeping his vote on someone? And his responses hardly justify the effort of quote striping so hard. /nitpicking

Post 521. The sentence about you being above me on the town read list is just bad. Why does the position of us on his townreads list matter so much? If we are reads 4/5, why does he go out of his way to make it known that YOU are actually the better townread? I know a lot of people wont see the significance in that, but it SHOULDNT be that important to a townie to make sure that all lists made are 100% accurate in every way and correct minor errors in them for reasons. It looks like posturing. Im a little hesitant because this could just be a being new or playstyle thing, but it is something I would never do as town.

Post 517. His sentence about "Now that Thez is prob-town Im going to look on his wagon for scummies" is reallllly bad. Apparently Jeck thought Thez was scum for a while so IN HIS MIND it should make some sense for townies to want to be on the Thez wagon. After all, HE is town and HE thought Thez was scum for a spell. So HE should have reason to believe that other townies would vote Thez as well since there was apparently a compelling enough case for HIM to vote Thez. Yet now that he is reading town on Thez he is 180'ing and looking at Thez's wagon specifically for scum? Its an absolutely horrid way to scumhunt because

1. By his own world view, he should understand why townies are voting Thez
2. His theory that Thez is town / wagon is scum is dependent on Thez being town. Why is he suddenly so very sure of that that he is going to devote time to this pool?
3. Why look in this pool unless there is going to be more scum than average in it? If (1) is true (it should be for him), why would there necessarily be more scummies than normal on Thez?

[BirdAndBeast]

Nachooo, talk to me

Also, why is nhammen town? Dont be fooled by his wall posts.

~Angry P.

[BirdAndBeast]

This displeases me. Is this some made up reasoning?

Jeck goes from a scum read on Thez to a sudden town read which is apparently strong enough that he thinks there MUST be a significant amount of scum on it?

Noooooooooooooooooooooooooooope.(jpeg)

[BirdAndBeast]

anti-town

I never said it was pro or anti town.

He made a statement about where he is going to look for town. That is neither pro nor anti town.

Its scummy because there is a huge amount of cogntitive dissonance here.

1. He believed that Thez was scum for a long time
2. He suddenly believes that the Thez wagon contains a lot of scum despite him being town and it being his fav wagon for a while?
3. ??? Lynch obvscum bullshit
4. Profit.

[BirdAndBeast]

Errr look for scum. not town.

[BirdAndBeast]

Thez, read on Edo?

[BirdAndBeast]

A Ztife vote would be a

novel

idea.

[BirdAndBeast]

If it sounds too dumb to be scum. Its probably too dumb to be scum.

Im proooobably going to skim those Thez walls.

Side note: I always lol a little bit to my self when I see "lurker" in the 'users browsing this forum' bar. Especially since Ive never actually been in a game with him.
~Ap

[BirdAndBeast]

Uhhhhhhhhhhhhhh. Im just going to paraphrase AJ's latest scum post.

"Im aware that Im lurking but its not my fault. Njoseph is scum for a textbook reason that shows literally zero original input on my end. I am however very opinionated on this matter. Njoseph is anti-town and stuff (but my lurking isn't, I had an excuse!). I reallllly dont wantto lynch Njoseph but we really have no choice because Im scum and I just cant think of a better way to push this wagon. His lack of logical depth mirros my love of prepackaged scum-tells sans analysis but fuck you because this is my post and I'll scum post it up all I want. There are other wagons other than Njoseph's. But those are all on my buddies. Come on I know you idiots want to lynch Njoseph, look what a troll townie he is. Im posting so much shit right now, its actually astounding."

[BirdAndBeast]

Lets cut the foreplay and get to the meat.*

Sixx, Claaaaaim.





*foreplay is actually the best part.

[BirdAndBeast]

@Sixx: You are getting lynched as is if you dont claim. So why not claim?

[BirdAndBeast]

I rly want to lynch AJ.

Sixx, can you claim some flavor? Paraphrase it obviously?

P-edit: good posting VOTE: Ztife

[BirdAndBeast]

If I were a octople vote or some shit I would lynch you. But as is there is no support. Obviously.

And yes your play today is scummy as hell. Do you actually have any scum reads?

[BirdAndBeast]

Ztife(unseencamo) wagon analysis

The Wagon:

Ztife (9): Nachomamma8, BirdAndBeast, jeck, Jal, Edosurist, Sixx, thezmon221, The Mini-Librarian, njoseph

---

Nachomamma8(SoraAdvent) -

-

So you're saying you wouldn't mind lynching a useless townie over an obvscum in your eyes?

This is a hell of a misrep of Sixx's #910. Sixx said that he was voting nj over ztife even though ztife was higher on his scumlist because it didn't look like a Ztife lynch was going through. This is the conclusion Ztife draws from it, and this is why Ztife voted Sixx.

My opinion:

- In 916, Ztife changed

you are higher scum on my list

into obvscum.

I agree that this looks to me like...

"Let me ever so slightly misrep to give my rhetoric the extra punch it needs."

There's no town motivation in such a tactic.

---

BirdAndBeast

-

I rly want to lynch AJ.

Sixx, can you claim some flavor? Paraphrase it obviously?

P-edit: good posting VOTE: Ztife

Reasoning Paraphrase - "AJ's my desired target. However, I'm willing to sheep any wagon that lynch any townie."

---

jeck (theomoaner) -

-

Seems like there's not going to be a lynch on Sixx after all, I'll go back to Ztife now and hope that more people come.
I will never lynch nsjoseph when we've so much better alternatives.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: ZTife

Reasoning Paraphrase - "Looks like no Sixx lynch, I'll hop to Ztife and Derp! I will never lynch NJ."

---

Jal (heathera) -

-

JK is kinda a weird role to claim if a scum role blocker though. Why not just claim roleblocker then if that's their actual role? Yeah, I buy it.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Ztife

Reasoning Paraphrase - No reason specified.

---

Edosurist (DayVigilante) -

-

VOTE: Ztife

Reasoning Paraphrase - No reason specified.

---

Sixx

-

@Nacho I feel like thats a very WIFOM situation but I am going to trust you.

UNVOTE: Nj

VOTE: Ztife Time for me to sleep.

Reasoning Paraphrase - "Heat's off! Time for me to sheep. vote:Ztife. Nighty-night."

---

thezmon221

-

nj, if you intend on hammering him, why don't you just vote for him anyway? We all know now that you have preemptive intent to hammer. It's like he has 8 votes now (including mine) even though he only has 7 technically. Besides, we know that Sixx is probably not going to be lynched today seeing as how the wagon dissolved as it has so far.

I also said earlier when the question was first erupted (By either Jal or B&B) that if the Ztife wagon gained steam, I would join. I will stick to my word.

VOTE: Ztife

Reasoning Paraphrase - "Sixx got away. I'll hop to Ztife as I promised to do earlier."

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The Mini-Librarian

-

Since I'm terribly behind, I iso'd ztife to see what the ruckus was all about.

I saw 916, threw up a little bit in my mouth and made this post.

VOTE: ztife

Reasoning Paraphrase - "I haven't been keeping up with the thread so I'll sheep Nacho and claim that post 916 makes me naseous."

---

njoseph

-

YOU SHOULD VOTE FOR Ztife because he's the information lynch for today. Period.

Reasoning Paraphrase - "Ztife's alignment is unimportant, you should vote him for information. Period."

---

Conclusion

- The wagon is shaky at best. Nacho presented a scummy action by Ztife and many have sheeped Nacho's reasoning again. I believe there is no town motive for the action that Nacho pointed out.

UNVOTE: NJ

If my counting is correct, Ztife is at L-2 now. I am ready and willing to hammer Ztife. I would vote now but I don't want scum coming in to hammer without Ztife having a chance to claim.

Ztife, you should claim now that you are sitting at virtual L-1.

Angry P here. I just caught up about 11 pages and (unfortunately) it looks like some of Mastin/my reads are diverging.

Spoiler: My updated reads list for reference

TOWN (divided into definitely town, probably town, leaning town):

Jal
Nacho

BabySpice
Njoseph
ArcAngel
SlySly
Darthe
Parama - less sure here.

TheMiniLibrarian
IdiotKing
Albus Dumbledore
KillerJester
Peregrine (layover from Johnny mainly)
Pmyst

SCUM

AJ the Epic
Ztife

Bumi
Jeck
nhammen
Sixx

Nullish
Thezmon - I still get bad vibes from him though
DayVigilante - No posts
Robert2424
Jacob Savage

1. Notable changes in my reads.

Slysly

looks townie to me. I strongly doubt scum opens with a post about multiball and calling out Team A whilst voting someone else and calling them 'Team B'. I strongly disagree with the analysis, but its pretty bold for scum to make such a post that could look like knowing more than they should. Also voting Njoseph and calling everyone else scummier is a good way to get wagoned. So town lean on Slysly.

I can see

idiotking

town. His posts make sense to me and I get his suspicion of Mastin/myself. His explanation feel genuine so far. Town lean. (Fake edit: specifically post 522 looks town)

Njoseph

is town and I apologize to Mastin, but I have to unvote it. I strongly doubt he is flipping scum. His AtE looks really genuine and is absolutely something I would expect from town here. Im a sucker for AtE. Whenever I see it in LyLo's I read (*COUGH* SWORD OF OMENS AND JAL *COUGH*) it damn near always comes from town. But Jal is leaning town on njoseph already, so : ).

UNVOTE: njoseph

Darthe

looks too carefree to be scum. Hes saying shit that could easily get him wagoned but it appears to me he is just speaking his mind and is confident enough in his reads/play that he is just trying to shove the right wagon. Clearly doesn't care too much about people's opinions of him. If hes scum, he is playing it very well.

Parama

- I'm lightly sheeping Nacho's read here. I do agree with Nacho that Parama is trying really hard if he is scum and for now Im going to occam's razor and believe that his PL pushes and frustrations are genuine.

-----

AJ the scum

. Those of you who are chanting "Burn all active lurkers" should seriously point your pitchforks at AJ. Holy cow. 502 and 552 look REAAAAAALLY fake.

Hey, is anyone else reading the same garbage that Njoseph is posting? Someone explain how anyone has been scummier than that, he hops another wagon with no reason whatsoever. I keep reading his posts thinking "What the hell are you talking about?". He is in complete disconnect and simply hoping that no one is watching him hop wagons like crazy.

This is an awful post. AJ is going for low-hanging fruit because njoseph is making a VI of himself this game. This post is light buddying to anyone that thinks njoseph is playing bad and, to me, it looks like really fake emotion. "Look how annoyingly bad Njoseph is! We have to lynch him! Hes probably scum too for voting a lot!"

Wrong. This post is scummy and AJ is scum for posting it.

Post 502 is just a waffle with no real content except to look emotional. Im not buying it one bit. I will not buy his green eggs and ham, Scum I am.

We should lynch AJ.

Bumi

- Not liking Bumi recently. His back and forth with Slysly was really bad. Bumi is focuing awfully hard on slysly and his reaction is a little bit awkward. The 'what will you do when I flip town' and 'what will you do if AA flips town' and the repeated 'please explain how calling AA town is scummy' looks like he is trying to subtly pin Slysly on acting sleazy. Bumi's response lacks any real emotion that I can see although he is clearly

trying

to appear concerned/interested by SlySly's antics. I think he is just hoping Slysly will shoot himself in the foot and look bad after a AA/me town flip. SUMMARY: Bumi isn't showing any unique opinions/emotions in this backandforth and the questions hes asking look like really cheap ways to be doing something. Not buying this farm either.

Ztife

- Ok, Darthe tells Thez to shut up. Jeck is voting Ztife and Ztife is vtoing Thez. In his next post, Ztife unvotes Thez to vote Darthe (because Darthe told Thez he was being useless). Its interesting that Ztife WHO WAS VOTING THEZ, was so flabbergasted by Darthe calling Thez useless/scummy that he votes Darthe instead of keeping his vote on Thez (apparently Darthe/Ztife BOTH think Thez is useless, so ) Also, as Nacho pointed out, post 503 looks like really awful nitpicking and patchwork quilting of a vote on Thezmon. The scummy cherry is Ztife being sure to distance from his predecessors opinions about Thez at the end of the post - who cares? Hes just scum trying to show how original his thoughts are. GG.

Jeck

-

scumradar - because I know longer believe thez to be a scum Im looking for scum that were voting on him, especially late or people that never voted on him in the first place.

/ case. GG. We solved it. We found the crime.

Nhammen

- I dont really want to talk about right now. His posts just don't ring genuine to me. He just looks like hes picking out easy talking points and posting about them. His wall posts are squid ink. But I know that there is likely no support for this today. So lets focus elsewhere!~

Sixx

- Mastin and I need to reconcile this read. Im not sure why he unvoted in favor of the up and coming Njoseph wagon, but I prefer this one over Joseph. I still prefer anyone above Sixx on my scumlist to Sixx, but Sixx is probably scum (I might even make a case!).

2. Hydra thangs!

Mastin is still almost entirely V/LA for about 6 days. Which means most of this game Day is going to be me. So I may just executive decisions some votes if I have to since I don't think Mastin is guaranteed to be around to discuss things with me in a timely manner.

P-edit: Oh, Edo looks town. I cant remember how you replaced.

I encourage everyone to read Nhammen's latest post and tell me with a straight face that there is anything useful in that cloud of smoke.

Slysly, are you reading? Because I dont have to fucking reprint my reasons for finding a slot scummy when I make a vote. (And I actually had my vote on that slot the entire time, lol)

[BirdAndBeast]

And if Im willing to sheep any wagon to lynch any townie. The. vote. me. Vote me. Or stop with this fucking GARBAGE posting.

[BirdAndBeast]

Then*

[BirdAndBeast]

Does anybody else find it hilarious that Slysly's content is to call out multiball teams. Do nothing. Then only post about wagons with really shallow analysis and use it as justification to sheep/not-sheep. So really he is criticizing sheepers but is doing nothing but sheeping based off of how many people provided any reason at all for being on a wagon? Or is it just me?

And no I dont fucking need to waste everyone's time rehashing my reasons for suspecting someone when I vote them. THAT is fluffing the thread. And the fact that you are only looking at the latest votes and NOT any other posts when doing your analysis shows just how shallow your posts are / full of shit you are. Because really.

CKD is obviously town and Nacho should feel ashamed for thinking otherwise.

I missed Ztife's claim (and the bottom half of that page) somehow but I see it now. Not sure what to make of that. AJ/nhammen are obviously scum. Slysly is either scum or really needs to pick his shit up immediately. Ztife did not seem nearly as flustered as I would have been as town. And that soft claim was less than town looking.

[BirdAndBeast]

I did not realize I was voting Ztife when I made the vote. I kind of forgot where I had my vote parked and voted Ztife in a pedit when I saw Nacho? do it. My mind was on Sixx since he was the one getting wagoned. Kinda forgot that I hadn't actually switched over there.

This has all been Angry P btw. Mastin is coming back from V/LA shortly.

~AP

[BirdAndBeast]

Sixx, you are a Jailkeeper. You have received word of street racing going on in lower Manhattan. Dangerous drivers like those in the Midnight Racing Club need to be off the streets... and you've got handcuffs and a cell to make sure they STAY off.

Each night, you may PM me with the name of one player whom you would like to jailkeep. That player can neither use his or her ability nor be killed that night.

Shoot me if I know why I didn't catch this earlier. This is too close to what I actually gave him for my liking.

Sixx, who was

James Donohue, the driver of a 1993 Ford Mustang SSP and a NYPD Mafia jailkeeper

, has been modkilled on Day 1 for quoting his role PM.

The vote count has been reset and the deadline has been removed. The rest of you carry on.

I WANT CREDIT FOR TELLING HIM TO POST HIS INFO IN THE FIRST PLACE LOLOLOL.

[BirdAndBeast]

(I did tell him to paraphrase it : P)

[BirdAndBeast]

Ok, gnu plan. Im going to actually look at everyone's interactions with Sixx and lay down a super sexy vote sometime tonight. I'll consult Mastin too since he is lurking around some alleys of the site.

My gut tells me we should be lynching AJ.

~AP

[BirdAndBeast]

AJ, what is your current read on Arcangel?

[BirdAndBeast]

@Nacho: I totally support lynching all softclaimers. They rank right next to Ke$ha on the 'kill it with fire' scale.

[BirdAndBeast]

Blue scum says to me we are playing multiball. You guys are gonna start listening eventually.

What? He was just a mafia JK. No indication of team given.

VOTE: AJ el Epic

Because screw connections, AJ is scum.

[BirdAndBeast]

Eh fair enough.

Now Vote AJ for trying to counterwagon on NJ super hard for shit reasons (that Sixx was equally guilty of).

Also I really want his answer about his AA read before we continue.

Also potentially willing to vote Ztife, nhammen. KJ looks town. Njoseph might not be town.

[BirdAndBeast]

usually SC does have fake PMs though, odd.
hell for all I know they still do have them and sixx is just dumb. which he is.

:V

Ya, a voice in the back of my head is like 'oh shit this is multiball, Nacho may be scum'. Njoseph too. Im just going to start PoEing shit down. Starting with AJ being obvious scum with Sixx.

[BirdAndBeast]

Oh, and Nhammen..

Spoiler:

what is your read on Slysly.

Mastin agrees that Nhammen is le scum.

[BirdAndBeast]

^Confirming that, though admittedly I'm behind. Just finished 31. And btw, saw the modkill, think TML and IK are good scum candidates as well aside from nhammen, though of course, stiiiiill readin'.

[BirdAndBeast]

So, I refuse to answer this on the grounds that the question is loaded to make me answer by what I said on her far earlier

Really? And you are not even going to pretend that you should have any consistency in your thoughts/opinions?

she's trying to draw a vig kill out. Specifically on Sixx.

Really? ArcAngel ws tryingto get Sixx vigged? And now that sixx has flipped scum you arent even going to comment on how unlikely it is for her to be on Sixx's team despite be ing 1090% confident she was trying to get him Vigged? Nooooooooope.

Guys, lynch this shit. FFS. AJ practically just said "Fuck you, I dont need to be consistent at all with m y thoughts"

[BirdAndBeast]

And look at this ridiculous guilty attitude to boot. I am trying to trap you...Sooooo am I scum?????? You are hinting that you think that BUT NOT VOTING ME (or anyone).

And really? If you think Im town why the fuck are you hand waving away my question. If you are town you have nothing to fear.

This is actually ridiculous. Eternal shame on anyone not voting AJ today.

[BirdAndBeast]

Really? No one is piling on AJ? Hes scum. Seriously ISO him. And tell me how his response to my question was something other than absurdly scummy.

[BirdAndBeast]

That IS fairly compelling. But I like my AJ vote so much.

[BirdAndBeast]

Conditional. I had no idea of Sixx's alignment. Showed no interest in his or Thez's wagon. I don't like your voting patterns, or your hunting so I refuse to follow it. You ask me about something that is in post 231, and say that somehow I need to know Sixx's alignment then to say that AA is justified?

No, Im saying that NOW that you DO know Sixx's alignment you should have said "Oh ya, AA is prolly not scum with Sixx" but you apparently forgot/don't-care-about connections you make in your posts.

[BirdAndBeast]

Jal, is this your first game?

Uh oh. But you said previously that Ad Hom is a scumtell.

slysly is giving me reaaaaallly mixed emotions.

Too lazy to check and see Slysly's reaction to Sixx's claim right now.

[BirdAndBeast]

So, mastin2 should be back and participating shortly.

I know we both suspect nhammen. I think we both suspect Ztife as well. AJ is still my top pick.

Slysly is incredibly cheeky if scum.

Ok seriously, is everyone going to just ignore AJ? Am I the only one that read his post in which he accused me of trapping him, called me town, and refused to give an opinion on ArcAngel at all despite previously saying she was DEFINITELY trying to get Sixx vigged?

[BirdAndBeast]

Going to have to look at the VCs

(hinthint mastin-Bird)

, but I thought Zitfe was a counterwagon to Sixx.

?

A poem that rhymes and has rising and falling pronunciations or something (iambic pantameter?)

By Angry P

Im down to wagon
Nhammen.
I desire respite;
He posts walls despite,
his content lacking
real insight

[BirdAndBeast]

Kind of agree, but she is newer. Nhammen just looks like hes hiding behind wall posts to look like hes doing something.

AA is omgusing, AtEing, and in general not giving a shit about appeasing people.

Reads town. Inb4 AtE and OMGUS are scumtells.

P-edit: Also subtle things like saying "Town" instead of "we"

[BirdAndBeast]

VOTE: Ztife.

Ztife isn't scum with Sixx, but I'm not going to tolerate a softclaim. If Ztife fullclaims and it's believable, we can go back to lynching AJ the scum. If Ztife's claim is bullshit, we're lynching his ass.

[BirdAndBeast]

I smell what you're cooking.

I suck at cooking. Unless you mean Im cooking up a plan to get all you punks off the streets of New York. In which case, no Im not. Let me ask Mastin if he is. Nope, he isnt either.

@Slysly: Not scumhunting isn't a scumtell by itself. If you ISO her, she definitely has opinions on the game that look genuine. Sure, she isn't asking pointed questions or pressure voting people, but really if that were a scumtell you should be voting Pmysterious.

p-edit: that was Mastin.

~AP

[BirdAndBeast]

No problem Slysly. But why don't you talk to me about it. Why is AA more voteworthy than Pmysterious?

I honestly think you are town right now (Mastin has some doubts), so lets converse.

Nhammen is probably the best vote today. We are both convinced he was trying to CW Sixx and his posts are really bad posturing. But Ztife needs to full claim next post.

[BirdAndBeast]

Slysly, I think its unlikely Parama is on a team with Sixx. His comment/followup looked just derp enough to be lacking in inside info.

Parama is a lesser town read of mine.

And your non-answer to my question has earned you a non-answer which I will invoke at some point when I really cant give a shit about a question you are asking me in the future.

Were starting to think Darthe could be scum. Not sure. Not willing to vote him right now though.

[BirdAndBeast]

Lol, we both just kind of had a moment in the QT that sounded like derp, but we really connected

I think Darthe just feels different than he did in NY159 (but that was hist first game ever). Kinda feel like his Bumi push is a little forced. "See look, Im not afraid to claim neighbor to push my scumread". Mastin felt that good logic coming from Darthe was likely a scumtell - lol.

[BirdAndBeast]

Well evidently you think lack of scumhunting is scummy. So if Pmyst has been doing any scumhunting, drop my a call.

[BirdAndBeast]

Shes scum hunting you, duh

Whats your opinion on NachoDaddy? Sorry if I missed.

[BirdAndBeast]

I predict a hilarious sudden OMGUS onto PMyst.

[BirdAndBeast]

^ Dear lord, obvtown doesnt come much more obvious than this post.

[BirdAndBeast]

Im honestly not a huge fan of the Slysly wagon. Nhammen is so scummy its stupid. AJ is too. People continue to ignore AJ practically claiming scum in response to a stupid question I asked him. Slysly looks like a headstrong townie to me. Buuuut, hes a weak enough read that I wouldnt QQ too much about the wagon ultimately.

[BirdAndBeast]

whats your thoughts on Ztife and Thez?

I would much rather wagon one of these 2 than Slysly.

Ztife needs to full claim. Both look scummy to me.

Jal, would you be willing to vote AJ/nhammen/ztife?

[BirdAndBeast]

AJ, what is your current read on Arcangel?

Why ask me about AA? It's not like she's been any major part of the game recently. In fact, she self admittedly has not posted much recently. There were 200+ posts between her posts up until her last two posts. So, I refuse to answer this on the grounds that the question is loaded to make me answer by what I said on her far earlier and the fact that you are probably trying to draw a weak answer from me on someone who I cannot have an accurate read from recently.

Reminder. It has been 44 hours since AJ claimed scum in thread and is still alive.

[BirdAndBeast]

I have this awesome game breaking plan. I titled it "Lets not wagon random lurkers and actually vote scum"

Thats it. Thats the entire plan.

[BirdAndBeast]

Dude, derp isnt a scumtell. ArcAngel is just bleeding towniness right now.

@KJ: Anyone in particular whose stance on Ztife you disliked at the time of that post?

ITT Slysly pretends day roles dont exist. And AA was clearly talking about alignment but said role. Herpa derp derp, that was obvious as shit.

[BirdAndBeast]

You don't have a clue if I'm scum or not, you are voting me only because you don't like me/my style.

Oh, so she isn't scum then? Coolio. Because you are describing town behavior.

[BirdAndBeast]

Its not protown. Its derp. And usually comes from derptown.

[BirdAndBeast]

Seriously, I would bet my life savings, PC, car, etc on AA being town. Im that sure of it. Not that betting aforementioned items is permitted on the site.

Everything Slysly is accusing AA of is a towntell >.>.

Seriously, its actually hilarious.

[BirdAndBeast]

Updated -

Scum team A:

ArcAngel
Bumi
B&B

Scum not on team A:

NJ
Parama
Edosurist

Sixx

----

These lists are not necessarily comprehensive.

Shes null....And on spot #1 on your list all game.

[BirdAndBeast]

Holy fuck, this Slysly V AA waste of time needs to end.

Can we PLEASE sing camp songs and lynch AJ/nhammen/ztife?

P-edit: He thinks Im scum therefore Im defending scumbuddy AA. But Im a town 2-shot fuck giver. And I used up both shots already. NOW VOTE PEOPLE THAT ARENT SLYSLY

P-p-edit: Darthe can be scum too.

P-P-P-edit: Ask Jal how hard I defend buddies as scum. fucking ask her.

[BirdAndBeast]

Weeeeee, well shes still voting you.

Parama vote is meh.

[BirdAndBeast]

EBWODP: In fact you are the leading wagon. So yeh.

[BirdAndBeast]

Slysly, you do realize Ive never called you scum this game. And nhammens a scumbag.

[BirdAndBeast]

Spoiler:

njoseph said that my thought process made sense why would he do that if he's a scum? he would have wanted me to vote on thez and not on Sora/nacho if he was scum, thats why he doesnt look like scum, more like null-townish.

I'm not sure your expectations of scum-nj are correct.

You could show these connections about a large number of players in this game. I don't see anything special about the BB and AA connection you posit. Also, AA's dayvig stuff looks more dumb than scum.

JacobSavage is actively lurking. From his numerous posts I see little scum hunting, and dubious wagoning.

280 putting thez at l-3 and changing later when a quick lynch is not evident. This vote is really fishy to me.

He also posts pretty actively in other games, but hardly contributes anything here. Only scrum reads he has on 329 but elaborates little.

I have noticed similar things. Still not enough for me to vote him, but its definitely getting there.

This just looks like bad posturing.

Conclusion

- Extremely weak wagon. Only NM gives any valid reasoning and it is quite a stretch. Parama at least sheeped the best reasoning even though it was weak.

I agree. I currently have a null read on Sixx. This type of analysis also seems to indicate that you are most likely town. Unless Sixx is scum.

More really bad posturing. Townies defend scum. It happens. Why would a scum flip from Sixx change honest-looking analysis into scum-motivated analysis? This is just you trying to look like you have opinions (but you dont because you are scum)

cum hunting

This is the best typo I've seen in a while

This is the best active lurking i have seen in a while.

So? Like half the game is lurking. Why say this?

Conclusion

- Fairly reasonable wagon. Though there are some very weak votes on this wagon, it appears there was much more thought put into the reasoning for the votes put on Thez by many players compared to the amount of thought put into the reasoning behind the current votes we're seeing on Sixx.

I had voted for thez, but I don't see my vote in this analysis. What gives?

What gives? Ok, you are beating around the bush / trying to make slysly look bad. Why not just ask him / tell him

I make perfect sense. but elobrate why I don't make sense please.

No you really really don't. Your "logic" is more convoluted than a tangle of spaghetti. Luckily, I have seen enough to know that you appear to be town, so difficulty in reads is a non-issue.

Really? You tell your townread that his logic is bad. Without telling him why its bad? Just gonna throw that "Your logic sucks" out there for fun?

Bride of Sadistyx was someone whom I voted for and thought guttingly could actually be scum.
I tend to give weight to my first impression gut reads; I've been swayed when I had thought too much in the past about second-guessing. Anyway, replace KillerApple with Bride of Sadistyx for my reasoning, I knew it was a scummy slot.
I have similar rationale for SlySly and IdiotK's being more likely to be scum on top of their own lack of markedly town style:
SlySly replaced by scummy KA & IdiotK replaced by scummy Bride of Sadistyx.
I stand by my Sixx vote despite BB turning on me. Sixx doesn't feel right enough to let live.

The fact that you couldn't remember who he replaced, even though both potential slots were scummy, indicates to me that this reasoning is fake.

Oh please. That is a terrible and sleazy way to call Nj scummy. There were so many replacements this game I gave up on tracking them. The misinformation doesnt mean anything.

Slysly is scummy for considering multiball when nothing has hinted at that. Not town thinking. When I see two people being scummy and there's no way they can be together, I just assume if one flips scum in the future the other probably isn't.

Agree. I have a town read on SlySly, but if this game turns out to be multiball, that read flips to a scumread instantly.

You sure aren't treating him like a townread. And really you forgot about this? Slysly was one of the people you were posting about actively, yet you forgot about 2 things tht would make him obviously scummy after the Sixx flip?

Seriously, this post right here. It looks really big. But all we get from it is

• Slysly is definitely scum if Sixx flips scum and/or its multiball. Because why? Really strong opinion based on mostly nothing.
  
• JS and Parama are lurking!!!!! And nhammen might vote them for it later
  
• Njoseph is scum for forgetting who replaced who! Why? There were soooo many replacements this game. I cant remember most.

And a whole lot of stuff that amounts to scum fakin'-it.

[BirdAndBeast]

Would support a darthe lynch right now. Bumi not so much.

I think Jmj is null-town. Mastin thinks hes scummy. So we'll be looking at that more closely.

[BirdAndBeast]

mastin and I are keeping our vote here until Ztife claims. Everyone please to be voting him or nhammen. Slysly is just headstrong town. Abort, abort.

Also I think JS is town. And ya, that different faction neighborhood thing did occur to me. but Id rather not lynch from that neighborhood right now. Darthe is weird, Bumi looks town though.

Also TML is starting to become a scum read for me.
Thez might be scum. Kinda doubt he is with Sixx though.

[BirdAndBeast]

slysly, lets be BFFS. We can wagon all the scum together. Now why are you not voting Ztife?

[BirdAndBeast]

@Slysly: Meh. As much as nhammen/AJ are the best wagons right now, everyone seems content to let them scumpost and not give a bother.

Ztife's softclaim is crap and the only pro-town thing to do is full claim it. I dont care. And he is scummy as hell on top of his claim. Probably with Darthe actually. His original flippity-floppity from Thezmon to Darthe was really awkward.

P-edit: CKD you are voting Ztife right? Njoseph is practically claiming troll. Leave him be.

~Kazooie.

[BirdAndBeast]

Does anyone have a townread on TML? If so, speak now or forever hold your scum card.

~AP

[BirdAndBeast]

Ew, lets not wagon Bumi.

Darthe/Ztife/TML/nhammen/AJ. Thanks

~AP

[BirdAndBeast]

Just gut?

Mastin and I are both growing suspicious. His posts feel more forced than they did earlier.

[BirdAndBeast]

[BirdAndBeast]

I saw 916, threw up a little bit in my mouth and made this post.

VOTE: ztife

907 probably means either aj or parama is scum. Town read on Parama means scum AJ.

To answer your criticism, Sixx's scum flip feeds into my escalator-to-Hell-related confirmation bias, kthx.

You do know this literally makes no sense right?

Just because you were right once doesn't mean you are right again, and certainly isn't using the information available to you based on the flip.

Reading throught the thread the first time those two neutral reads from sixx stuck out like a sore thumb to me. There's literally no reason to give only those two people as neutral reads especially when you consider that he only gives reads for like 8 people. I find it very, very likely that one of those two people are scum.

He just started out the game looking pretty genuine and like he was going off his gut. And now hes kinda transitioned into Player x is town because of y, therefore lets vote Z by PoE. What? Looks like hes just swooping in to come up with good excuses to vote people and to plop votes down.

TML, read on Slysly?

~AP

[BirdAndBeast]

Librarian dude. Hes the scumbag of the hour. Get with it.

[BirdAndBeast]

UNVOTE: Ztife
VOTE: The Mini Librarian

Im fine with letting scum deal with Ztife.

[BirdAndBeast]

anyways
he's probably a mafia doctor
not with sixx
i guess i don't mind leaving him alive for a few days, for fun

If you think he's a mafia doctor from a second scum group, why leave him alive?

This!

1: He's more a problem for the scum than for the town.
2: In the unlikely scenario he's town, lynching him would be bad.
3: Regardless of scum or town, a doc-claim in multi-scum is walking dead.
4: I have a "no lynching PR claims day one" policy, even if the claimed PR is scummy-as-hell.

[BirdAndBeast]

Llama, I like your PV case. Give us some more, though.

I'll let AP tackle nhammen, since I'm pretty sure I have confirmation bias on him.

Butyeah...

I'm the wagon du jour now? You guys need to get your head out of your asses.

We are either lynching AJ (the relational tells with sixx are astounding (have a link)) or

NJ (his active lurking shtick is scummy as hell)

This is not townposting. He's at L-4, close to a lynch. People are itching for the day to end. And he acts like this. The best bit in this post is on AJ, but then he goes throw in NJ to pretty much nullify whatever towncred this post might have had, thanks to a highly-hypocritical shot at an "active lurker".

NJ might be many things, and he's certainly active, but lurking he is not. His posts contain content, he's addressing people, and despite his claims to merely be a sheep, he clearly has reads which he is following through on. The content is there, and fully visible for all to see. His posting might be annoying to some people, but his posting is entirely devoid of any scum intent or motive. Quite the opposite, his posting shows a strong town mindset with his approach. Is he a bit of a troll, sure, but he's a town troll, not a scum troll.

Furthermore, his wagon has been the counter-wagon to Sixx (scum) and Ztife (prob-scum). That right there is extremely telling in itself--the scum want him dead, so I do not.

[BirdAndBeast]

Meh.

VOTE: PeregrineV.

Blatantly sheeping Llama for the moment. As good a place as any other.
Alternatives are AJ and nhammen off the top of my head. AP can change it if he'd like.

[BirdAndBeast]

Llama made a decent case.

I would

prefer

the case to go into more detail, but adding in PeregrineV's bad responses, and it's enough for the moment.

[BirdAndBeast]

I'm the wagon du jour now? You guys need to get your head out of your asses.

We are either lynching AJ (the relational tells with sixx are astounding (have a link)) or NJ (his active lurking shtick is scummy as hell)

Oh no, you linked my iso! Such a great case against me. But let's be honest, I've crossed my t's and dotted my i's, you simply are looking for someone to target.

Universal Backup as a claim is a little weak because it could be simply a named townie. Also is one of those roles you could fake claim easily because you don't have to prove your actions right away. I don't like this role claim at all.

BUT!

Unote, Vote:Slysly.

I don't have to like Darthe's posts... But in the end, it still doesn't make sense, even from WIFOM standpoint of people saying that doesn't make any sense. Too much of a risk in a 25 player game, too little reward.

Meh.

VOTE: PeregrineV.

Blatantly sheeping Llama for the moment. As good a place as any other.
Alternatives are AJ and nhammen off the top of my head. AP can change it if he'd like.

It would appear that I'm always going to be second place in your heart. Such a relationship will never work out here.

In all honesty, do YOU believe TML's claim? I know you unvoted, but you also stated that you'd rather not lynched a power role day 1. While I agree with this, undoubtedly any scum will claim a power role in this game. There's no reason for one to claim VT.

LYNCH IT. LYNCH. IT. WITH.

FIRE

.

VOTE: AJ the Scum.

[BirdAndBeast]

Subject: Street Racers: New York (Day 1, Sixx is dead)

PeregrineV (1): LlamaFluff
thezmon221 (2): jmj3000, BirdAndBeast
The Mini-Librarian (7): Edosurist, Nachomamma8, Jal, JacobSavage, UVApe, ArcAngel9, Baby Spice

Mod:

Our vote was on PeregrineV at the time of this votecount, not thez.

[BirdAndBeast]

Oh, so that's what happened.

I clicked PM when I thought I hit quote. Copied (since I've had a LOT of issues with losing my work after...), Hit submit, logged out, didn't see the message. Pasted in here.

[BirdAndBeast]

I'm not jumping to conclusions. NYPD is not MRC. Parama confirmed that in the game, cops are their own faction.

Parama never said anything about Cops being a faction. At all. But what he did do is mention Cop cars before anybody else (including the mod; including Sixx himself) had done so. It's too bad Parama isn't here to answer for this. I feel kinda guilty doing this to a replacement.
VOTE: Llama

:scumposting:

[BirdAndBeast]

Who the hell would want to replace into this shitshow?

Personally, I thrive in these conditions.

If I can handle the 200+ page Politics Mafia, I'd be able to handle an 80+ page d1.

Really, though. The game'll eventually slow down. 'Specially with multiple deaths at night. (Nothing quite like 2-4 dead a night to cut the playerlist down. )

We'll break 100 before day three, but we're probably not even going to break 200 for this game. Not when players like us and nj are prime NK targets, if not for reads, if not for being obvtown, then for being annoying.

[BirdAndBeast]

Not at all willing to lynch: B&B, nj, Nacho, Dumbledore, Librarian
Don't want to lynch: Baby Spice, Llama, Thezmon, Jal, darthe, bumi
Would not mind lynching: nhammen, AA, AJ, ztife
Not sure about: anyone not named

With one or two exceptions, I approve of this wholeheartedly.

[BirdAndBeast]

Other thoughts: The early but persistant wagon on thezmon was weird.

Define "weird".



Also, this ArcAngel wagon sucks. Abort. Focus elsewhere.

[BirdAndBeast]

I'm playing the Mastin card. Which card is that?

Llama's is the largest wagon. Get on him. Default strategy.

I'd rather lynch myself than LlamaFluff. That guy is

ridiculously

town, so pretty much almost any other lynch would be better than his. (Yup, I'm play this card. )

Not him. AJ's wagon has support. Ztife's wagon has support (though I'd prefer AJ). Heck, KJ's wagon would be better than Llama's.

We are not lynching him today.

[BirdAndBeast]

Matt, you are sweet. Mastin and I are town so you can just sheep us :p

Now where were we?

vote: Aj the epic

[BirdAndBeast]

I'm waiting for more posts today. Since no one wants to lynch someone who is scum (B&B), I'll have to track someone else first to prove I'm right. And you honestly think with that post, I'm going to push her lynch when I spend upward of 4-5k worth of words pushing my case on B&B? I'll find someone to vote for when I feel that they're scum and I can get a lynch on them. B&B only fits half the requirements.

I also am slightly interested that if so many thought B&B was town, why'd he survive? Only one kill comes back reading like a vig kill to me, the rest seem to be mafia. So why leave the self-proclaimed conftown alive? Two reasons, I suspect: He's scum or he's cleared scum and has pro-town opinions of major scum.

AJ is very much mafia. Super extra mafia.
You were ranting about how AA was trying to get Sixx vigged. You were so sure of it. And then when Sixx flips maf you don't care about that and didn't care to say she couldn't be maf with Sixx? You are discrediting AA9 all game and prodding her wagon but you never ACTUALLY lay a vote on her for more than a token amount of time.

You are scum and your wall back at post 1969 confirms that. AA is scum for changing a read 100 posts later? You've done nothing but OMGUS all game, actually and try to pin airtight cases on people that show no original insight. You have a scumcard AJ and its time to leave the island.

!AP

[BirdAndBeast]

PV, you are here. Pass a judgement on mastin and I's win condition if you'd be so kind.

[BirdAndBeast]

I've read nothing except for my predecessors ISO, which I read to see if the slot was town before replacing in

I said this exact same thing when I replaced into a scum slot in HPATPL

I also am slightly interested that if so many thought B&B was town, why'd he survive? Only one kill comes back reading like a vig kill to me, the rest seem to be mafia. So why leave the self-proclaimed conftown alive? Two reasons, I suspect: He's scum or he's cleared scum and has pro-town opinions of major scum.

Scumpost:

"The AP / mastin hydra shouldn't be trusted! Its either obviously scum or obviously wrong!"

Nice discredit there.

VOTE US. Lets 1v1. Show some spine, scum.

Also major FoS on Jal if she doesnt help me lynch the crap out of AJ today. Im squinting in your general direction, Jal...

Wait a second, did AJ claim a track negative on us? Because outing that sort of information is totally protown to sling around. And he is speculating on why we weren't NK'd? Gee, I wonder if its because the guy with the scum card INVESTIGATED us last night.

[BirdAndBeast]

Also Peregrine is mafia. Super bonus mafia. Probably with AJ.

[BirdAndBeast]

Ouch. But my post in the maf QT confirms that I was actually completely full of shit when I said it:

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Lol, my spiel about thinking IaI was town was so full of shit. I saw the replacement in the Q, was like "Oh, cool theme!" and asked for it. Lulz.

You aren't full of it, are you Matt?

[BirdAndBeast]

You better not joking about this... How is on the earth i scum buddy with AJ, I am very suspicions on him since the day 1 and i celearly mentioned that he is been pushing for my lynch since the game has begun, later he changed his mind about me and paractically manipulated me to believe that he was giving benefit of doubt on me being town and he again end up voting me and asking people to join thw wagon.

i thought youre one of the townies i can rely on. seriously.. i am doubting on my trusting skills now..

I never said you are scum. Im saying that AJ's case on you was quite clearly scum motivated.

actually, I take it back...I dont like the AJ wagon...I dont like the vote reasons and some of the people on it.

Specify? Hint: If you say you dont like me I may OMGUS you.

also i have a theory that a higher percentage of people that are scum (over town) use the phrase "to be honest".

To be honest, I doubt this is true.

Woo me.

I got you some roses.

But seriously, read on AJ and why?

PV, you scumbag, don't ignore us. Are we town or scum? No wishywashy BS, thanks in advance.

AA, what was your read on Zdenek before he flipped?

Oh well, I had to alt slip at least once in my MS career.

[BirdAndBeast]

I forgot - I asked you for an AJ case yesterday. Mama is still waiting.

I've been saying why I think hes scummy all game >.>

Mastin's around. He was posting in our QT just before the Day2 opened up. So I think we just missed him.

We want to discuss our favorite target a bit more before going full speed ahead. We will compile a case shortly.

Also where do you stand on KJ/mattp right now?

[BirdAndBeast]

I also am slightly interested that if so many thought B&B was town, why'd he survive? Only one kill comes back reading like a vig kill to me, the rest seem to be mafia.

First half is easy. For this exact reasoning to be employed, combined with multiscum and them thinking "eh, the other team will do it for us. We've got much better targets to kill."

Second half--do tell which kill YOU think is the vig kill.

I mean, which kill WE think is the vig kill should be pretty obvious.

[BirdAndBeast]

No, we aren't lynching Bumi Today.

Him threatening to replace out due to another game was super town. Also his all out defense on Ztife and calling Llama scum if Ztife flips town is likely to get him called for white knighting and I dont think he would be doing that as scum when Ztife was a dandy mislynch anyhow.

Mastin and I WOULD potentially lynch Darthe today. That is a scumslot.

~AP.

[BirdAndBeast]

compact

We will be turning out a 10 page essay, segmented into chapters, about why AJ is scum, very soon

I really want you to be town. I think you are and you just feel different than in Social Justice. But I also keep remembering you in the Assassins marathon where you were more adamant and OMGUSy. But I guess you arent getting wagoned so that is less relevant.

Side note since Im actually making meta cases today. PV is playing pretty gosh darn reactionary which is not something Ive come to expect from him as town. In HPATPL and NY159 he felt a bit more focused and pro-active. I recall him tunneling scummy old me a lot of D4. He was lurking a little bit, but he was very interested in pursuing his own lines of questioning and thoughts. In this game he seems to be responding more to things around him and posting to post. It feels different.

Jal, you played with him in Scummy Cartoons mafia. What is your thoughts on PV's play compared to there?

[BirdAndBeast]

You aren't full of it, are you Matt?

I have a pretty well-known track record

I'll let my actions woo you

Woo me.

VOTE: MattP

You make votes like this on page 85???

Okay, it's official, Matt's scum.

He was already looking bad, but this?

This just pushed him well over the limit.

[BirdAndBeast]

Why didn't we kill killerjester day 1?

'Cause there were two counterwagons to Ztife, AJ the Epic and KJ, and with us divided like that, the scum were able to successfully push through a lynch on a town PR, all the while under the firm belief that they were lynching the opposite scum faction and had nothing to fear while on it.

(How can I tell? The way the Ztife wagon formed, in a multiscum game, really, REALLY gives it away. The pattern is strongly characteristic of that mindset. Both scumteams were probably just as surprised as the town members on the wagon that Ztife flipped town. Take it from the guy who has been in a LOT of multiscum games. )


Oh, and for the record, it pleases me greatly that both of the main wagons are on the two alternative lynches to Ztife at the end of day one, with both Matt and AJ under heavy scrutiny. Lynch one, vig the other, profit.

[BirdAndBeast]

Oh, and for the record, it pleases me greatly that both of the main wagons are on the two alternative lynches to Ztife at the end of day one, with both Matt and AJ under heavy scrutiny. Lynch one, vig the other, profit.

When can I expect your case on Aj? I personally think he's more town than scum, and I think that his last post was pretty town too.

Did you actually

read

his last post?

His godawful reads, godawful justification, calling AA derp-town and continuing to push us as scum, and bashing AA.


Do provide me with your viewpoint.


As for a case, that's AP's job. My cases don't seem to get nearly as much traction.