I intend to spend tonight more than slightly drunk. Content if/when I get over the inevitable hangover.
Scumbag/Mafia are scumteams, Shadoweh. Look at the different colors.
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You shall be avenged!
MattP - Clarify who you mean, please.
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In post 27, Shadoweh wrote:Yes Tierce, I can see the difference between red and blue. :p And Scumbag Henchman sounds like the equivalent to Mafia Goon. I supose I just didn't want to make it a foregone conclusion if someone else has another explanation for it.
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In post 34, Staeg wrote:Oh, yeah: these two pages aren't showing the Shadoweh I know and love.
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It takes quite a bit to load, as the page alone is 2.13MB. You can either read it online or download the full thing here.
Now cease your whinging. If you want to ISO, just use Ctrl+F on that page.
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In post 52, kuribo wrote:hmmmm
singer was drunk when BB Self hammered. at the time, singer said:
Really I ahte you a lot for self-hammering cuz you fucking leave that to fucking [people who stqay a-fucking0aoucldable to their fucking votes.
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In post 60, Yosarian2 wrote:In that last vote-count especally, both Kats and Shadoweh look bad; if Kats is scum with BB, then it's quite possible Shadoweh is also scum, and they just wanted to avoid been seen on the same wagon together.
Balancing multiscum is hard.
Balancing uneven multiscum is worse.
Are you suggesting aBBmolla/Katsuki/Shadowehteam, withReck/???on the other side? If it'sBBmolla/Katsuki/Shadoweh+Reck/???/???, we started off with14:3:3. That seems a bit brutal. On the other hand, ifHenchman=Goon, so far we have low-powered scum and quite a bit of assumed-town power--dayvig, limited doublevoter, conftown limited doc; a higher number of scumroles might account for this apparent townpower. Prozac Basic Theme was 20 players 14:3:3, so it wouldn't be new.
I guess I just don't want to think we may have to lynch scum 4 more times if there are no crosskills. >.>-
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Where the hell has Amrun gone?
In post 75, UberNinja wrote:Benmage, do you have more shots? If so, shoot Yosarian2 please.
Shut up.
In post 76, Staeg wrote:I wanted to call tierce conftown, but BBmolla started vomiting lunacy all over her
I'm obv not bluescum because BBmolla tailored his fake-townmeta to deceiveme, of all the players here, when he has played with other players who are in this game (snifit, singer and kuribo come to mind). If I were bluescum, I could lean on his townmeta to justify a townread on him and no one would spot a difference in it (see: singer going 'BBmolla is playing to his townmeta'); it takes somestalking of all of his games >.>experience with BBmolla to realize how forced and c&p'd that meta was.
I'm obv not redscum because I'm obvtown.
Anyway, why did you want "to call tierce conftown"?
In post 80, singersigner wrote:In post 60, Yosarian2 wrote:Hmm. It's a shame that Nuwen replaced out, after the day ended yesterday I really wanted to question her for her massive defense of BBmolla.
I don't know that Nuwen defended him anymore than I did (to Tierce at least that I recall). Why only bring up Nuwen?
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In post 115, singersigner wrote:@Tierce...rereading, what...
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I haven't been able to download the cashe of the first day (hasn't really been on my list of priorities). I know the things I need to know about the people I want to know about, and that's about it.
I'd really like people who aren't caught up to catch up, though. Not everyone's posted, and there are a couple people I'd like to hear from in particular.
So... you don't remember things from the first day, and wantothersto catch up? Pleasego reread, I posted a page that doesn't even require you to download anything.
You are not remembering things as they happened, as proven by you not remembering Katsuki being in the game or how Nuwen defending BBmolla. Do us all a favor and go check the first day again.-
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The hell. Emotional much? I'm asking you to do it, you're throwing a fit that I did so and calling it an argument. Look, singer, I don't know what I did that bothered you so much, I'm telling you there is an alternative option to downloading the files (since you said you had issues with it) and pointing you toward it in case you missed it. No need to lash out and assume I was ordering you about. I've been working hard to make things easier for everyone else, so don't gripe atme.
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In post 119, singersigner wrote:So you're denying that there was any snark in your post, nor intent to discredit my behavior?
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Add NotProzac to this, you derp.
Seriously, I stake all mycachedBBmolla meta on that certainty. BB was trying to make me say Poro was bluescum after he (BBmolla) flipped; it was a clear framing attempt directed at me.
Also, lolkuribo at accusing Shadoweh of rolefishing and completely ignoring Amrun's own fishing for traits.
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In post 131, Benmage wrote:Not amrun.
Fishing is such an old shitty tell. Town try and break the game, yes. What's scum gain? All the scum aren't going to be Y-like roles. All the town PRs aren't goin to be X-like roles. So, get better.
I'm not voting Amrun for fishing. I'm pointing out the oddity that kuribo called Shadoweh on fishing and did not do so with Amrun.
In post 133, Benmage wrote:Why not poro, tierce?
I've said this several times already, I think.
My experience with BBmolla involves a scumbuddy read (which he first presented as correct evidence against someone in Newbie #1185) going "He's done townie things, but he's also scummy, so... unsure." It's not the being a null read, it's the 'town+scummy actions' = 'unsure/null conclusion'. He uses this as an associative tell in his town games, and knows I am well aware of that tell's existence--and that I am well aware of his townmeta. In this game, he tailored his writing to deceiveme, pretty much c&p'ing from his towngames with me. However, since I had read more of his games, it came across as forced and unnatural and aimed deliberately at me.
He knows I analyze players after they flip. In his big reads post, he dropped in that scumbuddy associative tell with Porochaz. Since his later game was clearly tailored to deceive me (of all players in this game), that read is also aimed at me, supposed to make me see red (huh, blue?) on Poro after BB flipped scum.
Which means the read is clearly faked, which means Prozac is not a Scumbag.
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In post 152, Amrun wrote:Tierce is re-creating history and I don't like it. I still don't like her flip flop and it makes me wary, but bb's scum flip makes me okay with leaving that alone for awhile and observing.
Oh come on. For pity's sake. Even if you are scum, you can certainly do a better job at smearing me than this. How am I 're-creating history'? How did I flip flop on a read? Are you aware that BBmolla pretty much faked townmetafor me and me alone, and that was why his meta sounded forced to me (because it was a a deliberate collage of our towngames together, ignoring his other towngames)? You spent D1 calling posts 'fake as hell', including my interaction with BBmolla. You've been proven wrong on that, so how about you get down from your high horse?
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In post 161, Amrun wrote:In post 154, Fate wrote:War in Heaven just finished in which you crossbussed with Magua which was so unlikely and unviable a move for scum that people had Magua pegged as town for a long fucking time. You're reaching, no BEGGING for your BBM bus to get the same credit
Uh, no it did not... It got abandoned. That game would have gone on for several more months had the crash not happened. That logic is fucking terrible.
You don't even know who did and did not try to start a counterwagon, so don't pretend to have a grasp of this game.
I haven't made up my mind on you yet, no, and that's fine with me. I don't have an opinion on everyone in a game this large so early, and that doesn't bother me.
And what has the fact that WiHIII was 'abandoned' instead of 'finished' influence Fate's statement of what happened with you and Magua? Why is Fate's logic "fucking terrible"?-
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In post 165, Yosarian2 wrote:In post 163, UberNinja wrote:Does anyone think Nuwen replaced out because BBmolla (her scumbuddy) flipped scum and it made her look bad? How common is behavior like that?
That would be considered very, very poor sportsmaship. A newbie might freak out and do that, but you won't see an experienced, respected player like nuwen acting like that. You only replace out if you actually can't continue the game for RL reasons, period. In this case, it's way more likely that the forum being down for a month between day 1 and day 2 has more to do with the replacements then anything in the game.
She replaced out before the forum went down.
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In post 193, Amrun wrote:In post 188, Tierce wrote:In post 152, Amrun wrote:Tierce is re-creating history and I don't like it. I still don't like her flip flop and it makes me wary, but bb's scum flip makes me okay with leaving that alone for awhile and observing.
Oh come on. For pity's sake. Even if you are scum, you can certainly do a better job at smearing me than this. How am I 're-creating history'? How did I flip flop on a read? Are you aware that BBmolla pretty much faked townmetafor me and me alone, and that was why his meta sounded forced to me (because it was a a deliberate collage of our towngames together, ignoring his other towngames)? You spent D1 calling posts 'fake as hell', including my interaction with BBmolla. You've been proven wrong on that, so how about you get down from your high horse?
Stop this soft suspicion bullshit and be upfront about your read on me.
You're re-creating history with all this stuff with BBmolla. It's arrogant and silly to assume that he catered his entire game to you; I see no evidence of that in-game and you failed to prove it before the crash. Stating it as fact now doesn't make it true. And "what flip flop" indeed? That's a prime example. That's the main thing I criticized you for yesterday. "This is mollatown! This is mollatown!" <wagon forms> "OH NOES IT'S MOLLASCUM!" You love to conveniently ignore the fact that you defended him for a long time based on meta and then randomly decided to change your tune. This turn around did NOT read organic to me then and it will never read organic to me. The only thing that changed was the wagon momentum. This alone reads as very scummy to me; however, later, when the bbmolla wagon began to falter, you stuck to your guns, so you get minor townpoints for that. I have not been unclear about this at all. And, for the record,I started the BBmolla wagon and pushed him until the cows came home, so how was I proven wrong about anything whatsoever?I was, in fact, proven very right.
It's not "arrogant and silly", it's facts. I've played several games with BB before, stalk most of his games, have a good feel for his meta. He even said "Tierce knows I'm playing to my townmeta", what more evidence do you want when it comes to confscum admitting to tailoring meta to me? I stated before the crash that I would be willing to provide proof that he was catering to me with particular with that faked townmeta:
In post 1435, Tierce wrote:Seriously, if I'm alive tomorrow I'll be glad to provide quotes on how BB's behavior was tailor-made to make me (and, on a smaller degree, kuribo) believe that he's playing a perfect town meta once he noticed I caught on to his 100% accurate scum meta. He was trying to buy my trust, but it was way way too perfect. Disgusting warlock can go burn at the stake now, I'll be dancing 'round the fire~
I have my games with him saved, so I can provide proof of c&p'd 'town' BB if you really want. I can't provide counterproof from his games where I wasn't, but I sure as hell can prove he was doing this to playme.
You "see no evidence of that in-game"? Come on. It's catering tome, why would you get to see it? Remember that singer had a townmeta read on him? And so did I? Seriously, when is changing your mind on a readONCEflip-flopping? I saw BB performing actions that were pulled straight from his scum meta, presented them as evidence that he was scum, and he immediately shaped the game to deceiveme. See that Porochaz read, for one. If anyone flip-flopped on a read, it was BB on me, not the reverse, and he's the one who flipped scum.
I did not 'randomly' change my tune. Read my posts on the archive. I presented clear evidence he was playing to his Warlocks and Werewolves scum meta, with behavior that is not present in townBB.
You're being proven wrong in my interaction with BB. The tailored faketownmeta was an attempt to play me and it clears both me and Porochaz from being bluescum. There is no 'fake as hell' there. You were not 'proven very right', because you were voting BB off Reck's interaction with him. Let's see:
Your vote on BBmolla?
Amrun wrote:Town based on Reck's flip: UberNinja, Yos, SaintKerrigan, in that order.
The bolded is really weird. I didn't noticed it before but I did upon re-read. If singer is usually more aggressive, then why is he making her town? (Unless she was scum in Arkahm city, just occurred to me. Confirm/deny?)
I'm going to go out on a limb...
VOTE: BBmolla
Why would Reck call BB town? Reck knows BB lurks as scum, and he's been a big pile of nothing here. I mean, I didn't care enough to pursue him for being a big pile of nothing, but this isn't the BB town I've experienced in the past. It's CERTAINLY not basis to call him town.
There needs to be more pressure here.
Reck's kuribo and tierce actions are also weird.
This complaint:
In post 1330, Amrun wrote:I STARTED the wagon on BBmolla and I took a lot of crap for it.
So what 'lot of crap' did you catch for that wagon you are so desperate to take credit for, Amrun?
Thestatusquo wrote:Secondly, I want to say that I don't understand how people can look at lists reck made and be like "oh, well, clearly the people he called town are probably scum and vice versa...." or some variation on that theme. Uhhhh. What? Reck is a very experienced played. Do you really think he would telegraph his partners like that day one? Doesn't make any sense to me. I am more than a little suspicious of anyone who used logic like this. It's shit logic, and it smacks of scum trying to run up someone simply because reck happened to write down their name. I'm looking at you, Amrun.
From later posts, Shea's issue was with you calling people town from Reck's long post. Nothing to do with your BB vote.
The only other issue anyone raises with your presence in that wagon is Nuwen calling out possible scum on BBtown wagon and what evolves from there:
Nuwen wrote:1 scum on BBM (Amrun, TSQ, UT, Kuriboprobtown)
You built up a wagon and completely ignored it other than complaining you were 'catching crap' for voting BB. Guess what, I've been burned by Amrun lurkscum.
In post 1206, Amrun wrote:I think it's funny how tierce is trying to take credit for the bb wagon.
Still, I'd rather see bb lynched than singer but not at all oposed to a singer lynch for reasons stated earlier (still doubt anyne has read them).
I don't need town points from being on the BBwagon. My interaction with him clears me re: bluescum, because BB was building his lategame to deceiveme.
You weren't pushing BB worth a damn, you placed a shitty vote based off Reck's interaction with him (and they flipped different scumteams, so your whole rationale was wrong), then sat on the wagon while saying you would also vote singer. Yes, you are desperate for credit here.
In post 1256, Tierce wrote:...really. Becauseyouare certainly doing lots to push the wagon on scum you're on. I don't care about credit, I'm just trying to get him lynched. Your weak push is laughable and does not impress.
UT and Nuwen vote you on the premise you are scum on BBwagon. Your reaction?
In post 1330, Amrun wrote:In post 1302, Fate wrote:Shadoweh, UberNinja, UberNinja, BBMolla, Nuwen
Only BB on the counterwagon to save himself.
His buddies are already bussing, look at Amrun tomorrow when he flips scum
Fate, be honest with me. Have you even read the game? If you haven't, I understand, but stop acting as if you have.
I STARTED the wagon on BBmolla andI took a lot of crap for it. If BBmolla is scum, I am the LEAST LIKELY person to be buddies with him, objectively speaking, perhaps rivaled by Shea (but not Tierce). Disregarding my town role PM, I could be scum from another scum team, but the likelihood of scum with bbmolla is really low. And I think you would know that if you read anything ever.
In post 1309, Nuwen wrote:I don't NEED FLIPS to know these players are town and being wagoned by scum. A town flip on BBM confirms what I'm already quite sure of.
YES, YOU DO. HOW CAN YOU BE THIS BAD AT THEORY?
I think you're town, but you're being so idiotic that it's fucking PAINFUL to read.
You CAN'T know BBmolla is town on D1 barring masons. You CANNOT. Get the fuck over it and stop using unflipped alignments like this. Using it for your own reads is fine, I guess, though you're going overboard, but shoving it down everyone else's throat like you're God is pissing me off. It's dumb. Stop it.
In post 1321, Untrod Tripod wrote:You of course have exactly no proof of two scum teams and want to keep Molla alive to catch scum from two teams on his wagon despite having zero proof of his alignment or the existence of said multiple scum teams.
UT is the only voice of sanity in this game right now. I will not be joining his wagon under any circumstance.
This game is really making me mad.
Lynch BBmolla. He's scum. I've been over it many times.
This spam is getting ridiculous and it needs to stop. The idiotic wrong theory needs to stop as well.
I won't be posting much for the rest of the day because literally nothing productive is happening and I'm just going to insult people if I do.
Color emphasis mine. Pray tell, where have you "been over[BBscum]many times"? What "lot of crap" did you take for your vote?
I'm not 're-creating history'.Youare.
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In post 196, Benmage wrote:
A little hazzy at the end. But at best it makes him, only not Blue. Correct?
That's what I've been saying. Porochaz is not Bluescum (Scumbags,Mafia) and I will not supportanywagon on Poro that goes through the premise that he is part of the blue scumteam.-
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My point is that Amrun is lying when it comes to events and the way I've behaved, Yos. There's no protown reason for her to be doing so.
I don't really care how much she was trying to get BB lynched, just that she stated she was riding that wagon hard, that she took a lot of crap for it, that she repeatedly showed BB was scum, when there is no real evidence of it. It seems like she's trying to get towncred for a great work, when that work can be summed up by that "on a limb" vote on BB for being Reck's buddy after Reck flipped.-
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In post 230, Amrun wrote:You say you don't care how much I tried to get BB lynched, and then go, "but she said she did!" I DID ride the wagon hard - from start to finish - took crap for it on SEVERAL different occasions (good job totally ignoring the wagons on me that sprouted up mostly as a result of my bb pushes, good job there), and I stated varied reasons why he was scum. My initial vote for him was weak reasons + gut, but his reactions to the wagon, and my reactions to that, showed pretty organically why I rightly believed him to be scum.
This is a prime example of that "re-creating history" thing I was talking about. You're talking totally out of your ass. None of the things you've asserted have been true, for example calling me a lurker when I was probably the singularly most active player of Day 1 and had a metric fuckton of posts. As for BBmolla tailoring his play to you: I still don't see it, and if you claim that it wouldn't be obvious to anyone but you, why are you using that as if it should be a commonly understood fact that makes you town? How ridiculous.
Prove me wrong, then. I went through the files with a Ctrl+F on your username, and grabbed everything that was relevant to this. Did I miss something? Show me. Where did you 'take crap for it'? Show me where you even reacted to those 'wagons that sprouted on you' other than that reaction to UT and Nuwen. You have access to the files as much as I do. Where did you react to BB's reactions to the wagon, other than the "BBmolla is fencesitting on Tierce's slot" right by day's end?
You were no way near the most active player on D1. I can provide a post count list.
As I said, I can provide examples of how BB was tailoring his fakemeta to me, if you're asking for them. Won't be now because bed, but yes, I can present them as proof that I am not bluescum because he was attempting to deceive me. Btw, good job saying "it should be a commonly understood fact that makes you town", good job there--I never said that, I said it clears me asnot BB's partner(and Porochaz as well).-
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In post 230, Amrun wrote:None of the things you've asserted have been true, for example calling me a lurker when I was probably the singularly most active player of Day 1 and had a metric fuckton of posts.
Btw, where the hell did I call you a lurker except in Yos's wild dreams? I said I've been burned by Amrun lurkscum. I didn't say it was here, and you know exactly where it was.
Yeah, you're continuously making up stuff, and you're the one thinking people won't cross-check (and calling my points "inane" in the process--nice smear campaign). You may not bother to check facts, but there is a very nice archive that proves what I've been saying about you.-
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In post 51, Tierce wrote:
It takes quite a bit to load, as the page alone is 2.13MB. You can either read it online or download the full thing here.
It's hardly "the biggest pain in the ass in the world due to cache, downloads, etc" to actually go to that page and Ctrl+C the corresponding info. I didn't compile all the cache info to look pretty, I did it so we have a functional resource.
It's a single webpage, Amrun. With all of D1. You don't have to click Next/Previous anywhere. Even the inner links are functional (if you click a "In post XYZ, ABC wrote" link, it will jump to the corresponding post).
Just wait for it to load, then look for the info you want/need. It's easier than catching up in most games, and the only work you have to do is sourcing your quote tags. I guarantee you won't spend nearly as long poking at it as I did putting it together.-
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In post 250, Shadoweh wrote:Tierce can you stop talking about your town meta/BB's scum meta long enough to ask why Amrun would feel suicidal enough to avenge her buddy against you in the day instead of the night phase?
Where did I call Amrun exclusive-bluescum?-
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In post 278, Yosarian2 wrote:In post 229, Tierce wrote:My point is that Amrun is lying when it comes to events and the way I've behaved, Yos. There's no protown reason for her to be doing so.
So, you're voting for her because you don't like the way she's attacking you. Yeah, that's about what I thought.
Tierce, you do realize that even though your motives at the point when you stopped defending BB and started attacking him instead may be crystal clear to you, that the rest of us aren't necessarily going to take your word for it, right?
I don't really care how much she was trying to get BB lynched, just that she stated she was riding that wagon hard, that she took a lot of crap for it, that she repeatedly showed BB was scum, when there is no real evidence of it. It seems like she's trying to get towncred for a great work, when that work can be summed up by that "on a limb" vote on BB for being Reck's buddy after Reck flipped.
So, you think she is scum because she's "lying" about taking heat for pushing the BB lynch? I think I remember Nuwen attacking her for that; let me take a look.
Nuwen wrote:
I read Amrun as the most likely candidate for buddies with Reck. Have roughly a week to read her in more depth. You'll see a wagon if I find anything that confirms skimmy connection hunting.
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BBM is town. Scum on his wagon is either Tierce or Amrun. BBM, we can napalm the lurkers after we flush scum out of your wagon. This is your chance to be cooperative and interactive.
Then benmage voted Amrun without giving a reason, but I'm guessing it was based on Nuwen's logic.
Then Katsuki attacked Amrun, again without giving a reason:
Katsuki wrote:
It wouldn't surprise me either if Amrun/Yos both flipped scum. Calling this now.
I would say that Amrun's comment that she took heat for sticking to the BB wagon appears to be factually accurate, and you swearing that she "has to be scum" because she's "lying about that" really bugs me.
Your other reason is even weirder to me. So what if her reasons for initially suspecting BB turned out to be wrong? Lynching scum for the wrong reason is still a pro-town act.
You're twisting my words again. You said earlier that I was calling Amrun a "lurker", and now that I'm "swearing that[Amrun]has to be scum"". Why are you doing that?
Have you noticed how she calls it "wagons" against her, and yet how she barely even reacted to them, only doing so when there were already lots of votes on other people alongside votes on her, and saying that she had been over BB-scum "many times"?
The way Amrun worded that "I took a lot of crap for[the wagon]" post yesterday makes it look like she was taking heat before Nuwen &co. started voting her. Where is that heat?-
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In post 268, Amrun wrote:I'm obviously - OBVIOUSLY - not blue scum. If you don't see that ... I don't actually give a rat's ass.
Interesting how I think I've never called you exclusive bluescum.
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Ah, I see.
"Amrun wants credit for being on a scumwagon" is apparently being 'translated' as 'she isbbluescum'.
I don't believe in blue-exclusivity for Amrun, if that is what Shadoweh and Amrun are talking about, though I'm puzzled why Amrun thought I wanted credit for that BBwagon if she wasn't somehowcertainhe'd flip scum (ie that post points toward potential blueAmrun).-
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I asked Glork to do it.
I was supposed to have posted it elsewhere. >.> Post had no game information, and everyone knows I'm playing elsewhere (or can find it out via my profile), so no harm done. The only reason it was posted here is because I was copying the formatting from a post here and got confused with the tabs.-
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In post 303, kuribo wrote:fuck this. There's a stinky trail of scummy behavior in this game and it keeps coming back to Amrun
she can't seem to back up anything she says, whether it's accusation against myself or Tierce
there's alot of shit going down that's very unAmrun and it seems to be getting more o vious
sorry, amrun, but you already know what I do to scum
Vote: Amrun
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In post 313, UberNinja wrote:I like Fate and Tierce a lot, but there'sno wayI'm getting on a wagon with singersigner, UT, kuribo, and Staeg.
And that stands for ANY wagon.
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In post 317, kuribo wrote:uberninja doesn't even think I'm scum: he said on day one that he would vote for me regardless of alignment
this stunningly awesome gameplay decision, along with reporting me for being mean to him, comes from the fact that he was butthurt about me yelling at him in a game we lost as town.
Look who's talking about being butthurt. You're better than this. Stop whinging.-
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In post 324, kuribo wrote:my thing is this: woth one scum down from each team, I would expect them to be leery of crosslynching.
they kinda need one another to whittle the town down a bit
that said, yeah, in multiball you can't simply assume one tram wouldn't push wagon on the other
In any case, I find myself more and more subscribing to the CES-style school of thought of not giving a damn about who's in the wagon with me. 1) Scum can bus 2) my reads can be wrong 3) all-town wagons also hit town. It's arrogant to think you can pick and choose who to wagon with, and allowing others' behavior to alter your vote choices like that leads to dangerous site meta is which a scummy scumbag will sit on his buddy's wagon just so others will shy away from the wagon. This kind of behavior is like trying to get team reads before flips; very few people are able to pull it off.
Seriously wary of what people consider 'regular' wagon behavior after the way I was flash-wagoned as scum in MLP (8 votes in what, less than 24 hours? That carried me through the game with a "that is not a wagon meant to hit scum" analysisfrom one of my buddies, of all things). The main reason strange wagon behavior is less common with scum is the town:scum ratio in any given game.
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In post 325, kuribo wrote:Tierce wrote:kuribo wrote:uberninja doesn't even think I'm scum: he said on day one that he would vote for me regardless of alignment
this stunningly awesome gameplay decision, along with reporting me for being mean to him, comes from the fact that he was butthurt about me yelling at him in a game we lost as town.
Look who's talking about being butthurt. You're better than this. Stop whinging.
he's the one handcuffing his win condition to a game that has no bearing here. I bring it up because he doesn't like me being on the amrun wagon: but my presence there doesn't make amrun town regardless of my alignment. Especially when he has stated he doesn't care what my alignment is to begin with
He's not voting you.
What's your complaint again?
Do you think he's scum? Do you think he has a scum agenda?
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UberNinja wrote:In fact, I'll claim now since there's not much I can do to hide my role. Sans flavor, I'm a Town Doublevoter. Nothing extra special, no night powers, nothing affected by weather (except conditions that affect all actions), and most definitely a good guy.
So for those who didn't notice. Yeah. My vote counts for two.
Accounting for our heat advisory and Reckoner's death, by my count we only need eight votes to lynch someone, if I'm on the wagon.UberNinja wrote:Secondly, regarding the "Organic", my character is a robot (i.e. not organic). So I think the difference here is that certain weather conditions (or, conversely, certain town and/or mafia abilities) only affect robots, or only affect organics. I find it highly doubtful that there are two scum teams now. I'd venture that there's also at least one more "type" of people, hypothetically "spirit" of some kind, because of the Navi, Will-o-the-Wisp role from last game. Whatever that'd be called, at any rate, if not "spirit".
Thirdly, I accidentally lied about my partial claim earlier. My double vote is affected by certain weather changes. I only get one vote on Thunderstormy days. I forgot about that until I read my role PM again.
This slot needs purging with fire, especially given his behavior regarding BBmolla. He was fine with voting pretty much anyone but that slot, dodged it like the plague, and was pleading with me to vote UT over BBmolla:
UberNinja wrote:Tierce, let BB live for a day and vote for Untrod Tripod. Re-channel your hate.
If BBmolla doesn't vastly improve, and/or if Untrod Tripod flips town, I'll join you.
There are few things that newbscum love more than labeling two arguing players as town, because it makes them look like the appeasing voice of reason. Yesterday, he called me and BB town:
UberNinja wrote:Tierce is probably town. Unfortunately I think BBmolla is town too.
Today we're back to this BS, now with Fate and kuribo:
In post 422, UberNinja wrote:You're probably both town, or both scum on the same team. Either way this shit-slinging is getting the rest of us nowhere quick.
Let's lynch Yosarian or Staeg. Staeg is my second choice, but is the most viable at this juncture. Make shit happen.
These are completely random statements. There is not an inch of scumhunting in his posts, regarding me, regarding BBmolla, regarding Fate, regarding kuribo. UberNinja is scum sitting on his occasional doublevote that oh-so-suddenly became weather-variable, hoping he won't ever have to present results.-
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In post 476, Staeg wrote:I'm afraid you lost me at the "Scum would..." part
Town points for making me laugh
This.
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In post 475, UberNinja wrote:That's because it is in my favor.
Scum wouldn't be modifying their claims, they'd make sure to get it right the first time. Conversely, a townie would have no reason to fear doing it.
I clarified thatin the interest of transparency and honesty.they made a mistake
Emphasis mine.
Ladies and gentlemen, this is a scumclaim. "They" shows the role was discussed in a scumteam QT.-
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You think a player can rebut a case on them like that?
Oookay right sure I'll be right there with you.
Also, for the record, that justification that "I'm an easy lynch because I'm newer" is pathetic. I joined not two months before you. I had over 10 games before the crash, and got lynched all of twice. One in a D2 quicklynch driven by scum (Tiger MetaTiger), another as scum in a 1v1 against a cop. No one is lynched for being 'newer' if they have the guts to fight back.
You scumslipped, and your flippant dismissal of it reeks of scummy confidence that your team will pull your ass out of the fire.-
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Catch-up in process.
In post 543, singersigner wrote:Bringing me to my next point for[Amrun]and Tierce...can you explain to me how Uber's shit read on BBmolla is scum protecting their buddy and not just a shit read? As I brought up with Yos in his Nuwen-defense-comment (later clarified), I felt I was pushing against a BBmolla lynch, too...what makes UberNinja different than me?
(or can someone tell me if I just didn't defend him as much as I thought? like seriously...he's the only person I remember actively defending D1...)
You did not make your case for BBtown frommytowncaseafter I dropped it. I was convinced BBmolla was town from meta, changed my mind, presented evidence, and UN is claiming my meta towncase was enough to convince him that BB was town from then on. Where have you seen this BS, other than with scum trying to keep a facade of consistency? UN has been claiming that consistent/persistent reads are townlike--and this one seems to have a ridiculously forced excuse.
1. Me: "BB is town, blahblah meta;"
2. Me: "Wait no, he is scum, meta evidence here;"
3. UberNinja: "Tierce's meta towncase on BBmolla makes me think he's town."
He was clinging tosomeone else'soutdated case on a player to justify his read. Where have you seen town do this? I've seen scum do it plenty of times, but town? No.-
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In post 544, UberNinja wrote:In post 538, kuribo wrote:it's not just the scumslip
he didn't want to get on the BBM wagon
he didn't seem to know what his own role was
as he himself pointed out, he modified his behavior specifically when asked (i would say to draw less attention)
when questioned, his only defense was "scum fear me and town hate me"
he has been more than willing to call people basically confirmed towb
he said me vs. Fate was town vs. Town: this and the above are common scum tactics resulting in the fact that they can't paint everyone as scum
none of this is concrete evidence by itself, but put together, you don't even need the scumslip to see he is scum
I'm about to start the ass end of my fourth double shift in six days but in the meantime THE MOTHERFUCKING PROSECUTION RESTS
Wow kuribo, I'm impressed.
This isas good as your case against me in Mini 1296 where you replaced in and lost the whole fucking game for town by lynching ME, the only player who actually suspected the actual scum, and then went on to defend scum the entire game, and lynch townies who even dared to suspect them.almost
Oh wait, nope: You're a complete fucking tool, not to mention a pretentious asshole.
And the way you continue to talk about your irregular work schedule (including putting it in your sig) is proof of your need to feel a sense of self-worth and a continued appeal to the masses for some sense of approval. If you don't like that shit, find a better job asshole.
The "MOTHERFUCKING DEFENSE" rests.
Oh wow. So you're using one player's bad reads on one game to attempt to throw them off in this game? No matter your alignment, this is a piss-poor and cruel move, deliberately aimed to ruin kuribo's confidence. Nice job.I'm impressed. Please don't come by again.
So Porochaz's prod dodges from work on D1 were acceptable but kuribo's mentions of work today are not? Fuck off. He has RL to deal with, and is still trying to post as regularly as possible. Let him vent. He is not seeking for "self-worth" or "appealing to the masses for some sense of approval".Youare the one deliberately going out of your way to ruin people's sense of self-worth by derailing this game with events of another game.-
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In post 583, Thestatusquo wrote:I don't know why you think his sig refers to his work...I think it's more likely to be a hobby.
It's his work (and that V/LA is outdated, cue little OCD twitch). kuribo is a nursing assistant. I have no idea why UN thinks mentioning it comes across as a plead for attention and worthy of a personal attack; kuribo is still attempting to participate in the game, unlike our squadron of lurkers.-
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In post 582, UberNinja wrote:In post 580, Tierce wrote:Catch-up in process.
In post 543, singersigner wrote:Bringing me to my next point for[Amrun]and Tierce...can you explain to me how Uber's shit read on BBmolla is scum protecting their buddy and not just a shit read? As I brought up with Yos in his Nuwen-defense-comment (later clarified), I felt I was pushing against a BBmolla lynch, too...what makes UberNinja different than me?
(or can someone tell me if I just didn't defend him as much as I thought? like seriously...he's the only person I remember actively defending D1...)
You did not make your case for BBtown frommytowncaseafter I dropped it. I was convinced BBmolla was town from meta, changed my mind, presented evidence, and UN is claiming my meta towncase was enough to convince him that BB was town from then on. Where have you seen this BS, other than with scum trying to keep a facade of consistency? UN has been claiming that consistent/persistent reads are townlike--and this one seems to have a ridiculously forced excuse.
1. Me: "BB is town, blahblah meta;"
2. Me: "Wait no, he is scum, meta evidence here;"
3. UberNinja: "Tierce's meta towncase on BBmolla makes me think he's town."
He was clinging tosomeone else'soutdated case on a player to justify his read. Where have you seen town do this? I've seen scum do it plenty of times, but town? No.
I have also played with BB-town before, and it seemed similar.
You're reaching, and retroactively trying to make your "case" on me seem more damning than it is.
What do you think of my claim?
Oh, I'm reaching?How, when I'm stating things as they happened? Do show us that I'm wrong instead of making unsupported statements, then.
I played with BBtownandBBscum before, and you clung to my outdated version of a case. Are you denying this? Because you said more than once that your case for BBtown was supported by my meta towncase on him, after I dropped said case and presented meta evidence for BBscum. If you were willing to trust my meta reasoning for BBtown, why didn't you crosscheck BBscum meta evidence? Why is it good for the goose but not good for the gander?
To make things clear: if you were trustingyour ownmeta analysis of BBmolla, I would not have an issue with it. I have no problem with singersigner's defense of BB over meta, even though she had only played with BBtown and not BBscum. You, however, usedmy outdated caseto justify your read on BBmolla, and offhandedly add that you played with BBtown.
Why was my original case on BB acceptable and trustworthy, and my later one wasn't?
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UberNinja only started calling BBmolla town when I called him scum. Until then, you were saying "he's raising my hackles", did not mention that my towncase was convincing in any manner (and called me scum for my 'BB is scum --> BB is town' change of read), and voted him on post #839,when I was calling BB town. Then Shea made his post about how BB's case on me was terribad, BB unvoted me, the wagon started forming, you voiced your agreement with kuribo's case on BBmolla.
BB started sheeping me. Alarm bells in my head, I started crosschecking things, concluded he was scum.
UberNinja in #895 wrote:You guys are either playing me like a fiddle, or you're both town.
So what do you both think of SaintKerrigan? Do an ISO and report back with your findings in 30 minutes.
'DEFLECT DEFLECT DEFLECT.'And yet you were still voting him.'Must get all the towncred when he flips scum!'
I voted BBmolla, explained exactly why I thought he was scum. BB got to seven votes, and surprise surprise:
UberNinja in #956 wrote:Unfortunately it turns out I can't split my vote.
Unvote; Vote: Yosarian2
'Quick derail wagon now!'
From someone who would vote people just for 'pressure' (see UberNinja's vote on me, see his many votes on different bandwagons D1), this is very sketchy behavior and points to an attempt to avoid bussing.
You did not unvote BB because my (outdated) towncase on him was convincing. This is a convenient scumscuse that is only coming up today.
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In post 597, UberNinja wrote:You're nothing more than a glorified glory-hound.
That's rich, coming from someone who has been trying all game to pull kuribo down with "HOW AMAZING MY READS WERE ON THAT MINI GAME." Seriously wtf. From 'badass' for powerlynching scum yesterday to 'glorified glory-hound' because I'm hunting you down? Yeeeah, you're throwing a hissy fit that does not feel like town trying to appease a townread.
And I'm not going to say who I think is the scum in your wagon.Ifyou flip town, I'll analyze things then. I'm not going to make things easier for your scumteam by helping them decide whether or not to kill me tonight.-
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In post 596, UberNinja wrote:In post 591, Yosarian2 wrote:That's a pretty crappy defense for why you defended scum, UN. Want to be a little more specific?
Defended scum? I don't recall ever defending BBmolla.
I remember not wanting to vote for him because I thought he was town, but that's about it.
UberNinja in #1402 wrote:Also, nobody better hammer BBmolla, he is obvtown.
You see, this glorified glory-hound has a near photographic memory and spent several hours dealing with D1 cache fixes. You are not getting away with misreps of what happened.-
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In post 599, kuribo wrote:tierce, don't you fucking answer that question
domt tell his scumteam who to NK and who to mislynch, that's what he's basically asking
Come on, give me some credit, I know how to spot a cry for NK/mislynch/deflection targets a mile away.-
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In post 600, UberNinja wrote:I'm gonna ignore you from now on kuribo.
You're not worth a reply other than this.
@ Tierce:
In post 595, Tierce wrote:If UberNinja flips Scumbag, Yos is not bluescum and Kats is likely bluescum for attempting to derail BBwagon with him.In post 595, Tierce wrote:If UberNinja flips ScumbagIn post 595, Tierce wrote:If
What's this? I thought you were 100% certain?
The only ways I'd be 100% certain would be if 1) I had a guilty on you or 2) I was bluescum bussing you. I don't, and I'm not. The hell? Town deals in 'ifs'. Only scum and certain PRs have any degree of certainty, and your attempt to undermine my case because ofwording that is likely to come from townreeks, again, of bullshit. Your way of arguing smacks of scum caught and flailing.-
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Also, we have an obfuscator of some kind, because there was no event last night that should have hidden Cow's role/alignment:
Katsuki looks more like a vig kill than Cow at this stage, so I'm inclined to say the obfuscated kill is scum-based.
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In post 619, Amrun wrote:As for other interactions... Yos, Benmage, Shadoweh very unlikely to be redscum.
Actually:
Glork wrote:Vote Count 1.5
Yosarian2 4 (Katsuki, Fate,BBmolla, Shadoweh)
Yosarian, Fate are not bluescum. Shadoweh isveryunlikely bluescum too.