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In post 11, Mass Flop wrote:/half confirm
In post 19, mastin2 wrote:This is the part where I would post a confirmation, but I don'tactuallyhave my role PM yet (dram probably sent it to the hydra, and if hiplop told me the password, I can't find it), which means I can'tactuallyconfirm, least of all on my hydra.
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In post 26, Mass Flop wrote:
What can I say?In post 24, Cerberus v666 wrote:Massflop: I'm always town in games with you guys. That's not even impressive. :p
I only play one or two games at a time right now.
Heck, before this game it'd probably have been ages since my last full game. (What was it, SC's game?)
I'm honestly a bit rusty.
Much disappoint. Gotta get your A-game going so I can either feel happy about catching you as scum, or glas that you're on my side.-
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In post 33, Mass Flop wrote:
Only?In post 29, Cerberus v666 wrote:In your defense, some of those people only said /confirm. And some of them are hydras who didn't sign, so...
ONLY?!?
It's like you don't know me at all, man.
It's absolutely unacceptable for me to have no read on so many players with so much content!
You could always make some up? I believe you did that in FFVII, and it was entertaining. You could even announce your read on people who haven't posted yet. Imagine if you were right.-
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One more confirm needed! And then dramonic has to show up, and then we'll have shut down the scum ability to chat if they don't have day chat!! Do it! As fair warning, I will begin to actively develop a scum read on anyone who I see post elsewhere while not confirming for this game at this point. ^^-
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In post 39, Mass Flop wrote:Dead serious mode, though: I'm like 95% sure this game features a MINIMUM of one type of redirection role, probably multiple, in addition to an equal number of roleblocking roles, thanks to our own.
So, uh. As town, take caution when using those; for investigatives also takereasonablecaution in trusting your results. (For instance: If you receive results in the form of "Your target", I would beincrediblyon-guard. But if you receive results in the form of "Player is/did", then short of bastard-modding, you can trust your result.)
As a corollary to this, I would recommend everyone confirm with dramonic the details of the form your result will come in under different circumstances, such as targeting an ascetic, for example. Don't be the arse who doesn't understand their role because they made assumption about how the mod would phrase something, or targeted something poorly because you didn't seek clarification.-
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In post 46, Errantparabola wrote:Hy-dentities:
Edgar Allen Pro: Varsoon and ???
Learned Hand: Titus and Drixx
Mass Flop: mastin2 and hiplop (the fungi)
did I get 'em all
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In post 58, Learned Hand wrote:Cerb, you're grounded for drunk posting.
Orders of Mama Titus.
Now you go off and sit in your room and think about what you're doing there.
While you're there, tell Santa which of your brothers and sisters are just bystanders and which are ebil.
Never drunk Titus, not my thing, BUT! I haven't slept much in the last 72 hours between star wars thursday night+waiting in line, then work+dancing friday, then board games all day today....
And dude, I don't friggin know. That's twice now you're trying to get me to give reads early D1! stahp it, idk, everything here is an enigma wrapped in a conundrum.-
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In post 62, Learned Hand wrote:In post 60, Cerberus v666 wrote:In post 58, Learned Hand wrote:Cerb, you're grounded for drunk posting.
Orders of Mama Titus.
Now you go off and sit in your room and think about what you're doing there.
While you're there, tell Santa which of your brothers and sisters are just bystanders and which are ebil.
Never drunk Titus, not my thing, BUT! I haven't slept much in the last 72 hours between star wars thursday night+waiting in line, then work+dancing friday, then board games all day today....
And dude, I don't friggin know. That's twice now you're trying to get me to give reads early D1! stahp it, idk, everything here is an enigma wrapped in a conundrum.
It worked well the first time. :-p
But it didn't get meaningful reads from ME. Anyways, yes, hydras plz plz sign, if you're the secret person just sign as "not-varsoon".-
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In post 96, 3dicerolling wrote:Did anyone else think they were a neutral survivor when they first read their role pm?
Also, VOTE: Mass flop
The name bystander did throw me off, and I checked the sample role pm just to be sure.
Also, is this comment rolefishing? :p You can certainly infer a bit of information about someone's role based in whether or not there was any confusion on their part.-
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In post 101, Shiro wrote:I..I.I.I. am not even goign to hide guys I *takers sip from flask*
I am an amnesiac miller, the amnesiac part being that I don't remember my abbilties unless I am visited by a doctor. I. I UGH would go to the interdimensional hospital but that would be a waste of my time so get to it people
Hm. Kinda want to hear a flavor claim.
And yeah, you should clarify about using abilities if you don't know you have them. :p
In post 102, Learned Hand wrote:
Umm... why? The sample PM that Dram provided said Bystander. There is an implied modifier that almost always appears with that word: innocent. I don't see how you can confirm someone is town because they say their role pm says they are faction: bystander (especially now that Dram clarified). And no townie should have had any confusion because there's no way the win condition for bystander would be worded so vaguely if it was neutral, and if it was scum there would be a link to a scum pt, right?
So you're trying awfully hard to get town credit by appearing to "test" people, but your test isn't actually testing anything. Everyone in this game who got a town PM is smart enough to know that they got a town PM. I mean... Dram clarified, which is erring on the side of caution, but still. I'm trying to decide whether you really think you came up with some way to sort people with this or whether you're putting on a show. Titus is good at day one; I'll ask her. I would tend to lean towards you putting on a show being what we're seeing.
In any case, Dram has clarified so even if you legitimately thought you were getting something of value from what you were doing, the mod blew it up by clarifying.
Love, with eggnog made a little less thick with warm milk, and of course fresh from the oven cookies,
Drixx
An innocent bystander could be a third party survivor. Your argument that the implied phrase is less confusing than the word alone doesn't work.-
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Oh, and the rest of the post makes sense too, but I could certainly see why one might have a moment of uncertainty. The wording "all threats are eliminated" could indeed easily be a poorly written survivor win con.
Als, Drixx, I'm super sad we're not hydraing this game. I wasn't lying when I said thinking about my role is giving me a headache, and it would be awesome to give that headache to you.-
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In post 110, Learned Hand wrote:Dramonic is way too good a moderator to give a neutral a win condition so vague. That was so obviously town win condition that even though I was like "Bystander???", I was certain enough that we're town and not neutral that I didn't even ask for clarification. Obviously someone did because we have Dram in thread clarifying.
Stop trying to buddy me Cerb. We're already buddies ... but until you earn your town stripes in this game, I view anything you say directed at me as an attempt to manipulate me into town reading you. I expect you to treat us the same.
~Drixx
I don't buddy people man. You know that. It was a legitimate expression of my sentiments with regards to optimizing my role. Titus, why ouch?
Even good moderators make mistakes.
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In post 109, Learned Hand wrote:In post 105, Shiro wrote:I don't even know I presumed not
Don't flavor claim. Definitely ask.
The flavor claim thought was to determine legitimacy if amnesiac claim, and potential value of a protective helping him, but, well...do we even care about getting him his powers? He's a claimed miller, barring some fantastic series of events we almost have to lynch him before lylo, and if he's scum we obviously don't want to give him what he wants.
Pedit: 3dicerolling needs to point to something about me other than agreeing with him on the bystander thing, otherwise there is little reason to consider me town, unless you're drixx, to whom I should have obvtowned by now, but I'll assume I have and he's being cautious cause he knows I could fake it. :p-
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In post 123, Learned Hand wrote:In post 116, Cerberus v666 wrote:In post 109, Learned Hand wrote:In post 105, Shiro wrote:I don't even know I presumed not
Don't flavor claim. Definitely ask.
The flavor claim thought was to determine legitimacy if amnesiac claim, and potential value of a protective helping him, but, well...do we even care about getting him his powers? He's a claimed miller, barring some fantastic series of events we almost have to lynch him before lylo, and if he's scum we obviously don't want to give him what he wants.
Pedit: 3dicerolling needs to point to something about me other than agreeing with him on the bystander thing, otherwise there is little reason to consider me town, unless you're drixx, to whom I should have obvtowned by now, but I'll assume I have and he's being cautious cause he knows I could fake it. :p
Drixx is afk. You must deal with me.
Until we establish roles are not linked to flavor, no flavor claims.
Second, we don't have to lynch miller claims before lylo. If we did, your vote would be on one of the two millers to establish a read on them.
Third, if you hate town reads on you, why are you bitching about the fact that Drixx hasn't said anything.
Ftr, we're discussing Shiro atm. We'll get to you.
~Titus
My role is inextricably linked with my flavor. Like, 110%. I actually missed the first miller claim completely. Also, Titus, why do you insist on expecting me to act the way you would act, when you know for a fact that I don't? Why would I vote for one of the two miller claims, when i don't even vote most of the time? What's the value in pointing out a line of play that I could take, when you know it's not one I would take?-
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So, eh, just curious, what does everyone think would be the single most overpowered single target non game breaking non killing thing you could target someone with that benefits town? Let's call this a thought experiment. Skies the limit, except for the limits I made. Make stuff up.
pedit: Elbirn, maybe. I'm leaning towards one of the two of them being scum though, and that shiro just missed the first miller claim the same way I did, since it was just quote and a single word response in a post with other content. Unfortunately, in a situation like this we line ourselves up for two mislynches pretty easily, given that I'm sure the game has it's fair share of absurdity going on, which may very well include two millers.
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In post 139, Elbirn wrote:In post 95, Errantparabola wrote:good lord i hope i don't get nightkilled
i was looking forward to playing this game
Why do you think you'd be night killed if you claimed Miller..?
In post 96, 3dicerolling wrote:Did anyone else think they were a neutral survivor when they first read their role pm?
Also, VOTE: Mass flop
I actually give points to 3 dice for this because I had the same confusion/thought process when reading my role pm. Like yeah its in the sample pm, but if you're scum reading the sample pm for goodboypoints, you're never going to have confusion as to whether the sample role pm isn't actually the sample town pm.
Do ya know what I mean Mr krabs?
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In post 142, Learned Hand wrote:@cerb, are you seriously going with the you should tolerate me being suboptimal defense? Yeah, that's not cool. Now, you're walking back your suggestion to lynch the millers. You need votes.
@elbrin, I think it's a strong possibility. 100% certainty, no. I think they both are likely millers, but that says nothing of their alignment. Scum would be dumb to cc miller, unless they were one given the heat millers get.
@3dice, huh?
@jeanne, why hesitant on calling it what it is? Both town and scum OMGUS.
I don't think you should tolerate me being suboptimal, but I think you should also realize that I feel just me putting a vote on them does way less for me than interacting with them and others does. The way I read you pointing out the flaw in my choices, the ones which you should expect, and thus should have no reason to point out, is an attempt to make sure those who don't know me and haven't played with me are aware of this "nonsensical" thing that I'm doing, this apparent contradiction between words and actions, so if you need to you have just that tiny bit of extra support for getting me lynched.
The fact that there are *two* miller claims changes the situation and puts us in a spot where, if we lynch both millers...and they actually are town...we just lined up two mislynches, and that inspires caution.
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In post 145, Learned Hand wrote:@cerb, that's awfully defensive. Why not just have your words and actions align? Are you fearing me lynching you already? You need pressure is what I meant, but you should definitely put your money where your mouth is.
@elbrin, Drixx and I are discussing Errant now.
~Titus
I'm not sure where you see defensiveness in me explaining my position, but okay. I'm not afraid of anyone getting me lynched because it's unlikely to happen. I'd place my unlynchability, due to role alone, below SU and suikoden, but above all my other games.
My words and actions won't align because they don't, when it comes to actually laying down votes. I suspect people and ask them questions to determine their alignment without bothering to vote for them constantly. It's just what I do, and you know that.-
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In post 147, Elbirn wrote:In post 142, Learned Hand wrote:
@elbrin, I think it's a strong possibility. 100% certainty, no.I think they both are likely millers, but that says nothing of their alignment.Scum would be dumb to cc miller, unless they were one given the heat millers get.
What in the world is a scum miller?
A scum miller would be a deceptive role that gives the slot no additional protections. It serves only to confuse town. :p-
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In post 199, Jeanne11 wrote:Yes they are. Not giving explanations is scummy, cos it robs town of discussion. Ask anybody else and they'll agree.
For the sake of this game, I'm going to disagree, only to maintain our history of never agreeing on anything.
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In post 238, Jeanne11 wrote:By the way.....
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p-edit: Only if you can convince the town not to lynch me.
We have two claimed millers. And other people who people are suspicious of. Like...seriously, stop freaking out.-
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In post 252, 3dicerolling wrote:In post 251, Learned Hand wrote:In post 249, 3dicerolling wrote:In post 158, 3dicerolling wrote:@Learned Hand - It's not OMGUS. Read the quotes in 136 and come back to me.
Don't get your point there.
Noted.
She basically scum reads me, then in the very next post, throws out a readlist basically the same as mine. Pretty fake.
Or maybe the people who are obvtown are just obvtown to everyone. Or maybe you're all bad at reading people, in the same way.-
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In post 315, DiamondSentinel wrote:In post 313, Elbirn wrote:@Jeanne: you never told me if I should stop voting Sharky or not.
@DS: how are insults mixed with content indicative of scum, as opposed to being a snarky or agressive play style?
Well, it's not strictly, but since they are acting the same way, and I'm scum-reading one, it follows that the other is also scummy.
PEdit: It was partial snark, partial me commenting on how he's making another shitty miller claim. To be honest, all these miller claims are ridiculous, and making me lose interest in the game. We should lynch each and every one of them.
He's the original miller claim I believe. He's just reiterating it while answering a question about why a miller would be worried about getting nkd.-
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In post 343, Jeanne11 wrote:@LH Use your head a little and figure out what I'm really trying to do here.
Don't .
In post 344, Jeanne11 wrote:If you understand what I am trying to do, use the code we devised to inform me.
Unless you're referencing ongoing, which you can't, the code in question is public information (and I think I know what you're talking about, and if I know, I'm sure others will), so, well, don't.
I do know what you're trying to do though jeanne, but it's not going to work for reasons.-
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Also, LH....I would love it if you guys would give me a reason to think you're town.
Dice: Titus giving good advice to Jeanne is not alignment indicative. She was asked a direct question and responded to it. If she had volunteered that advice, rather than being prompted for it, I might agree with you.-
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In post 350, Jeanne11 wrote:And I mean the code from Suikoden.
Yes, and that's why she shouldn't answer your question. That code is like four clicks away for anyone to decipher, and if she answers using it, it will expose what you're doing.
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In post 359, Jeanne11 wrote:If you mean those consequences, then don't worry. They won't occur.
Because you're a bad player?-
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In post 363, Jeanne11 wrote:That depends on what thing are you talking about.
Touche.
Alright. So, in other news, vig elbirn over the miller claims, noted.
See errant? Not evwryone thinks you should be vigged.-
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Trying to get yourself shot at, for I have no idea what reasons, but by claiming that I'm a partner of yours, you've removed all possible utility that might be gained from you being targeted tonight, because any thought of targeting you also equally applies to me. Regardless of what I say at this point, scum will have equal reason to think we're masons, as to think we're not. Also, by drawing me in and not having me confirm you (which I'm not doing ) you've lowered the likelihood that your mason claim will be believed.
So yeah, no friggin clue what you could possibly be trying to accomplish now.-
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Btw, if that shot is real, I'm going to tell you what I tell every idiot who performs a day action earlier in the day than absolutely necessary: Don't do that. It's dumb. I don't care how much the noise of the conversation is annoying you, it is poor play, unless you have an expectation that you will be vigged yourself. Hell, as a vig, who has suspicion on him, if town, you have plenty of reason to save any shots you may have for later, when you know more. It's not like scum are gonna shoot at you.-
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Because you freak out. It's impossible to tell if you're legitimately town freaking out, or if it's scum flailing and just making noise. You tunnel on people for empty reasons, instead of scumhunting when threatened. The behaviors just don't help town at all, and make you look suspicious.
At least, that's how I view those behaviors when I see them. In Suikoden, that's why Drixx and I were advocating your eventual lynch, because you were making too much noise that wasn't alignment indicative and making it too easy for scum to skim by.
Anyways. I'm at work, I really want to see more engagement, only like 6 slots are actively posting in this game. Where are the rest of you?-
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In post 386, Cerberus v666 wrote:Anyways. Really. No more noise. We should find something else to talk about.Can we like get a vc mod?Then maybe I'll feel inclined to talk these people into voting for someone.
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In post 388, DiamondSentinel wrote:Ok, I'm betting 3dice and Jeanne are both scum. No way this was TvT, and it seems to rehearsed for TvS
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People, I'm trying to like, make a spreadsheet and crap to actually take notes on a game for once, instead of merely relying on my excellent memory (because just because I remember stuff, it's hard to cross reference), and I'm on like page 2 of the thread and about to give up. Too much crap to keep track of. Advice on formatting notes in spreadsheet format officially requested please and thank you.-
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Cerberus v666 Let's Be Reasonable
- Let's Be Reasonable
- Let's Be Reasonable
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Cerberus v666 Let's Be Reasonable
- Let's Be Reasonable
- Let's Be Reasonable
- Posts: 5479
- Joined: November 14, 2014
In post 396, 3dicerolling wrote:I don't mean to be needy, but can one of you get an avatar? (play rock-paper-scissors or something)
I won't be getting an avatar. Read back to page 2, I declared that my lack of an avatar should serve to identify me.