Heroes Wanted! (Game Over)

[Nancy Drew 39]

but how can we tell if Titus/Drixx are lying?

Titus probably lied about Ank. That most likely accounts for the Shiro kill. Shiro also practically telegaphed he would not be using his bp but SMing Titus.

[Nancy Drew 39]

Butchering quotes since I thought this might be easier to read.

This is horrible logic Nero

. The very first person Cerb would suspect when he dies is me. I think

I flat out said that a scum me would kill Cerb out of the game pretty much all the time

So basically, you're saying not to suspect you but that you'd still make the kill? The rest of that is just a jumple of nothing important so I'm skipping it.

This went on for way too much. As someone who is friend to both of you:

I kinda didn't like this that much. Like I could see him try to diffuse this fight between FA and Titus. He also kinda fencesits on her.

1.) You really should go look at Space Dandy 2 if you want to understand why I would try and calm shit down when Titus is being wound up. That shit was unpleasant. None of us are playing this hobby to add stress to our life. I'm quite aware that many scum use that kind of thing as a technique but if you go looking I think you're going to find I have a pretty solid ethical line when it comes to abusing "personal" or "real life" things for gain when I'm scum. I find it pretty distasteful and have not at all enjoyed when stuff that wasn't really part of the game (or shouldn't have been) was used by scum against me. I try not to do it. You can take my word for that or go do some research.

"Scum do use this tactic but not me. Scouts honor!"

This post makes it look like you don't actually want to be playing forum mafia. Like ... if you think content coming from a certain slot is worthless to you, then just scroll right on by. No need for this crap.

This ends up making me wonder if you're just making posts like this for LAMIST or something

.

I didn't really like how he scolds at ZZ here. It doesn't really feel like scumhunting. I also feel like the bolded is ridiculously dumb and buzzword heat and not a town thought process.

2.) I'm not generally a buzzwords player. It's also amusing and perhaps a bit ironic to see you refer to LAMIST as a buzzword coming from me. As far as I'm aware, nobody knew what that meant the first half dozen times I used it when I first migrated to this site. Is it a "buzzword" if it came to the site from me?

LAMIST has been a buzzword for like ever man. I kinda feel like you're replying but not really

REPLYING

. Like what do the origins of LAMIST have to do with anything much less me criticizing you for your fake sounding scum read on Muffin. I mean how in the world was 2015 an attempt at trying to look town? It feels like you were setting up for the Muffin push instead of trying to find actual earnest reasons that Muffin could have rolled a red pm.

That would be a really good way to get me (and probably others) to decide you need to eat rope. You cannot wind someone up and keep pushing them and then invoke policy lynch on them because they took your bait. It's dirty play.

This is what made me really suspicious, he's threatening ZZ with a lynch for pushing a Titus lynch.

This post feels like so much hedging from someone who is informed. Gut doesn't like.

fusses @ Tor for fussing @ Titus.

Just a note but he

kinda

ignores both of these. #7 is maybe a reply to these?

who did you vote for leader drixx?

The sad part is that you probably think you have some kind of "gotcha!" here. Whom I voted for is self-evident. You shouldn't have to ask because you should already know.

b/c he voted for Titus?

3.) It's asinine to suggest I voted for Titus. Everyone else instantly understood that I was saying "of course I voted for Cerb again".

ok sure but there's no way to prove that right? And why not just say that?

I guess I need to go diving on Titus now. I could see her doing this as scum and turning the WiFoM to her favor. I could also see several players in this list who would know putting Titus as leader right now would introduce a ton of confusion.

And it has

.

more fence sit.

Could someone explain th bold, how did electing Titus as leader cause confusion? Is this scumDrixx that knows scum is the leader and it will cause confusion.

4.) Titus being elected was an unexpected result. It did actually cause confusion. It's precisely the kind of move Titus makes as scum. She put in a huge effort to make it seem like she had been set up.

Was Titus heavily scum read on d1, I take it yes?

But seriously ... Cerb being night killed early is literally always a reason to suspect me.

Does scumDrixx WIFOM a kill like this?

It's not even WiFoM.

It's just the obvious truth. Like anyone alive in game who knows Cerb and I will tell you that I absolutely would kill him as scum. Pretty sure he would kill me also (although he may be cocky enough to try and mislynch me instead or try and sell me a half truth like when he was in a rare hydra with someone else and pulled out a 3P solo win by telling most of a truth). I would say that as any alignment so it's NAI.

b/c you killed him?

Sando you got voted because you were literally intentionally winding Titus up to no possible town purpose.

voting someone for attacking Titus. Anyone notice a pattern yet?

6.) Again: ask anyone who plays with me regularly how I feel about abuse in forum mafia and how I respond when I see it. Or go look at games which had toxicity. Whether it is aimed at me or involves me or not I will basically ALWAYS stand up and say something about it. Drixx don't play that shit. Attack the play, not the player. -- So much so that I am blacklisted from playing games one of my favorite mods runs because I absolutely wouldn't let some jackhole get away with just abushing the shit out of everyone in the game (said game actually ended up abandoned by said mod because of how toxic it got).

He was scumhunting. This was nothing more than a chainsaw. Don't lie.

7.) I never went after anyone for scumreading Titus.

Read my ISO and you'll see me just point out that Titus was essentially logically lockscum when the vote claims for day 2 came out in such a way that scum obviously lied. Townies would have been honest about voting her so the fact that we didn't end up with a clear understanding of who elected her and why was pretty much rock solid reason to have her pretty heavily scum read. Her reaction to the situation was like 99% confirmation she was scum. Scum!Titus tries to handwave things away. Look at SU when Cerb and I caught her slip and she tried to say she was speaking with certainty about a VARSOON mechanic because she had seen the precise role before. Like ... lol. She tried to pull the same kind of thing here. She was "being framed".

I did the strike to show how much you dedicate to trying to sell me on already flipped scum and how little you dedicate to responding-wich is nothing but a boldfaced lie. To begin with, it doesn't matter if Titus was confirmed scum on d2 b/c you are still attacking Titus' attackers.

Muffin wants to pl Titus? Don't do that b/c "That would be a really good way to get me (and probably others) to decide you need to eat rope.", he says. In hindsight, this is really gross. If Titus was "lockscum" why would you be mad at him for wanting to lynch scum?

Sando is scumhunting Titus, "literally intentionally winding Titus up to no possible town purpose."

Tor is scumhunting Titus, accuse him of being scum.

Like, all these quotes are above and its not something I'm making up. Now, something I should have done (that I'll do later) is see if you do all this before you start calling Titus scum b/c you fencesat on her first and from my POV its not an impossible scumplay for you to fence sit and then when public opinion changes you bus her.

7690 -ignore this guy, he can't read me

7691-is this true?

7692-Nero is lying/being selective

7693-look at all this evidence that proves this isn't exactly true.

7745-haha, I was just joking. Don't be so serious.

8.) I'm pretty sure the most natural reading of my first post quoting you is that it's a joke. At most you could maybe misread it as a reaction test. When I'm actually suggesting someone is scum I tend to do it in something more significant than a one liner of snark.

And ... OF COURSE I argued the point with you when you responded. That's what I do. Like ... that doesn't have any bearing on the fact that I was just being snarky with you. I mean ... you even say that's the "meat" of your read. If that's your meat ... don't rely on it to get you through the winter friend.

Do you feel like there's a disconnect between you being snarky and agnostic while also telling everyone to be polite and civil? You need to practice what you preach, brother.

Its more like the potatoes of my case, the meat is that you threatened to lynch Muffin for wanting to lynch Titus. I assume you'll say "but it was a PL, he was being MEAN!" but that matters not. I guess the salt and pepper would be that you also attacked Tor and Sando. And I guess the sauce would be Hana telling me she liked my case?

(God, I want a steak so bad right now.)

I feel like the way that I see it is a perfectly acceptable version and no one has said otherwise (I think) but it prob doesn't matter that much.

I think meta is extremely useful but I’m very leery when players reference their OWN meta as a defence because it’s also fluid.

[Nancy Drew 39]

Oh boy this has me a little topsy-turvy because those are the exact slots I thought BBmolla was shady for pushing
I'm thinking it's gonna be bye-bye previous theory, because it looks like distancing
so yeah tl;dr, if toog flips scum I'm gonna be looking at Nero and Theta rather than away from them

Hey that’s right, I forgot about that. Molla was heavily pushing Muffin as well - even claimed a fake guilty on him iirc? or was it Katsuki?

However, when questioned about his Muffin push by Stun, Toog renounced his predecessor’s read on him. Yeah that is really interesting.

[Nancy Drew 39]

what if we just plan one or two suicide bombs that will give us a fair amount of information? like having theta alpine use it on a player like having theta use it on... kokichi
and the worst use it on... hebichan?

Long story short cutting out a lot of math here
Assume Toog is green and next day lynch is green for worst possible scenario
Also assuming no BP/HT/PN/freezing/what not for easier math
Deaths include via petrification or NK

This puts us at 11 town and 3 scum going into night.

Assume three scum get powers — 4 deaths 7 town 3 scum
Proper lynch outed scum — 3 deaths 4 town 2 scum
Proper lynch outed scum — 2 deaths 2 town 1 scum
We win at lylo only if the other bombs aren’t fired. Max safe bomb 3.

Assume two scum get powers — 3 deaths 8 town 3 scum
Proper lynch outed scum — 2 deaths 6 town 2 scum
Proper lynch outed scum — 1 death 5 town 1 scum
So if a bomb also went off then it’s another 1v3 lylo

Assume one scum gets powers — 9 town v 3 scum
Proper lynch outed scum — 8 town v 2 scum
However two bombs went off so it would be 4 town v 2 scum lylo

So the same number is three not four @Drixx?

Is this what you were seeing?
Apologies for the hurried typing i am typing up what I did last night before I go to work.
I adjusted my stuff to account for that. Did you see anything I could have missed?

My eyes glaze over at literally anything math related.

[Nancy Drew 39]

the only caveat of that plan is that we’d have to choose town players that are not utilizing the bulletproof vest, right?

Sakura (or less likely backup) would be the only one who wouldn’t need it tomorrow night.

[Nancy Drew 39]

yuck. that is a definite neg we can talk about next day phase

like, if we choose that plan, we just give it to obvtown period.

because scum could try clearing one another

Yeah suicide bomb imho is safer and worse comes to worse we choose less bombs to give out.
Max safe is three I think but if people are really scared less works too. Mainly we need to use the townblock to our advantage.

Agree, the more trusted townies, the better IMO.

[Nancy Drew 39]

I also reread the last page of titus iso and now I think it could be distancing. Like titus was thinking: if they end up lynching me this guy might get a chance because of this and if they actually lynch them I get a bit of cred.

plus people were not going anywhere else so it was her only opening. I can't see any refrence to creature before that or am I missing anything?

YES!
This is exactly what I've been saying.

Makes perfect sense for scum!Titus to go after the lhf/likely mislynchbait to save herself.

[Nancy Drew 39]

@Nero - Dude. Snark and rhetoric are

NOT

the same thing as abuse. Everyone who knows Titus (and Mathblade for that matter) knows how to wind them up personally. That's abuse. Me being tongue in cheek is NOT abuse.

Every single "point" in your case against me as a bunch of NAI shit. Obviously if I were scum, I did and would do those things. I didn't even try to say otherwise.

So if you have a bunch of stuff that is literally (by your own definition) WiFoM, then you look at the overall picture. In what world do I even at all go along with doing anything to try and help Titus after day one if I'm scum with her? You know (or should know) how ruthlessly I will cut bait on a scum partner who screws up and is an inevitable lynch. You've just spent an inordinate amount of time pointing out that I did none of the things I would normally do as scum with a doomed teammate. Like ... 1+1 is not hard man.

Drop the tunnel goggles if you're town. You're wasting a lot of effort to no good end. If you are as good as you think, I dropped a pretty strong town tell quite awhile back. I'm certain at least two people caught it. If I count Math who was already sure before I did it, then that would be three ... but I'm not sure Math was actually bothering to look at that point.


@math: you're missing a huge problem in terms of being able to determine if any scum make it into the team. You're assuming that you can isolate them in a way that you can't. I really don't want to say more and I shouldn't have even said this I don't think. -- You did catch the math problem though which is good. I'm pretty sure that we lose a little EV with the suicide vest plan, with the upside obviously being a faster win.

So ... do we want to play mafia and leverage a strong position to maintain a near 100% EWR or do we want to gamble a significant amount of that to try and win sooner? I mean ... I've not had to work as hard this game to get to this state. You and a couple others have done the heavy lifting. What I

can

tell you from past experience where Cerb and I solve the game and we tell the game exactly what's going on and we have it set up for a win and then people do dumb shit and we lose ... that is crazy frustrating and has gotten super old. I highly do NOT recommend it.

All it would take is for one of the scums to have played a strong game so far and be in a super trusted spot and using 2-3 suicide vest takes out 4-6 townies. That takes away 2-3 cycles where they have to keep playing a really strong game. In this case I really feel like time is an ally. It's really hard to be scum but keep up a realistic narrative that you are town for real time months on end. Believe me because I have done it before a few times and it takes a toll. (Smite and SU2 are the games that come immediately to mind where I played alone as last scum for months in real time; I enjoyed both games but needed to recharge mentally after each one).

You know me well enough to know that I have very strong reasons behind what I'm saying. If there were some way for us to freaking neighborize I would really love to do an unfiltered thought dump right about now.

@Drixx
First I really wasn’t looking for any sort of tells. If I happen to find them (like in regards to Nancy and what power she took) then I note it and move on. I have been focusing on now having town self implode. Between that and work and everything else this has been an insane game. Secondly dropping a town/trust tell (e.g. something you only do reliably as town and not as scum) intentionally and then not replicating it (or trying) in scum games is either illegal or angle shooting so I don’t want to discuss the “tells” angle.

Secondly yes I can be wound up. However calling it ABUSE is a bit of a stretch. I have gotten a lot thicker skin since taking some mediciation to help bring my hormones in equilibrium. I know people who are actual abuse victims and I hate the characterization. I understand your point and would say “low blow” or something similar.

In regards to your maintain a near 100% winrate comment, that is simply wine. Let me explain how.
Assume that we don’t do the suicide plan and you FA and Sakura are scum. (Again I do not believe this)
Then all three of you pick up petrify and track people without powers. Then after one/two/three mislynches whatever the required townies is mass petrification happens and you hit me and some other townie with powers.

At that similar point there is no way we then go for the townblock before that point.
What suicide bomber does is gives us control over the clock.

We have to make a decision whether we trust the town block. We are at 14 town 3 scum. If Toog is town and NK successful (which in 3 townblock would be) we are at 12. The next day. Mislynch is 11. If there are three scum in the town block we are already fucked if we play traditionally based on the numbers.

The suicide bomb is only risky if we hit three scum exactly with the bombs but in that case they are outed.

Playing conservative or traditionally we are going to have to take it on faith that the town block is town.

However that leap of faith is not really a big leap. If FA or myself or Sakura were scum it would have been advantageous to actually kill with power negate and be outed as then due to the gamestate Nancy and you get lynched. When I was scum in Shadowrun I used this specific idea in Shadowrun when I was forced to kill the traitor and then had just barely enough to get the resurrection at the end of the game.

Furthermore we know that assuming Titus gave powers to someone that night and killed Ank for that reason then this necessarily means she taught scum how to play the long game and therefore would not attract attention to the buddies. All three would have to be alive. Therefore Kokichi and Creature are likely not scum. Furthermore there have been seemingly no negate kills in the townblock. This also seems to be stealth scum.

Do you see where I am going with this?

When did Titus spew Kokichi?

[Nancy Drew 39]

I wanted titus since day 2 when she was picked leader when literally no one voted for her. Also only voted sando at that time cause nos claimed a guilty on him

...It’s shit like this that makes me wonder if Titus was stupid.

People claiming guilties or masons has been refuted so many damn times. It was also refuted many times day one and two this simple doesn’t fly.

I think Nos is still hinting at this. I honestly don’t know why anyone thinks they can get away with that in this setup but I was in a game, where people didn’t think there was as SK, eventhough, it was mentioned right there in the setup.

[Nancy Drew 39]

you're a pretty weak townread @stun

prolly rather just thrown my vote to someone I'm hard tring if I can't vote Sakura ngl

at least the core townblock townreads me though, right? just the scumpool does not strong townread me at this point

and you are still there... so is gamma emerald... so is hebichan... so is kokichi. so is literally all the opposition against hard townreading me right now and even possibly scumreading me is firmly entrenched in my and consensus scumpool. and i feel like sakura hana and sando have backed it up a little.

creature townreads me from the non-townblock, hebi supposably “wanted to townread me” at one point hut never did

Yeah, I’m heavy townleaning you. You’re not being able to read me correctly yet, is concerning.

i have you as a current heavy townlean, though, myself.

you have not been in my primary scumpool this entire day phase or even necessarily in my null zone :p

i just had to talk with toog that if he is so confident there is scum in the pool of fa, sakura, myself, you, mathblade, and drixx then it would have to be the ones that i cannot put 100 percent confidence on, which would be only you and drixx, who are 80 percent plus confidence. and i’d honestly risk the game both of you flip town tbch. i just do not honestly see there being scum in that pool

Okay, thanks for clarifying.

[Nancy Drew 39]

but where were they when i had to defuse that sando town wagon to get some votes on titus? they were not on that wagon and this is proveable

Lol. Do you not remember my deal with shiro? Likely why shiro was killed by the way

I wanted titus since day 2 when she was picked leader when literally no one voted for her. Also only voted sando at that time cause nos claimed a guilty on him

have you even paid attention to the mechanics of this game at all?

titus could not be voted day 2 because she was leader and leaders cannot be voted.

nos cannot have a cop guilty because there was no such power ever given out, and everyone started as vanilla that is town at least. and plus nos was never given a power

+1

[Nancy Drew 39]

I was given a power.


Do I really have one or not?

You were not given one and won’t be I already sent in my list

You need to start playing with your head and stop playing with your ego. Like I don't really care if I get a power or not but I am really really obviously town fo in my mind any power that's not going to me is going to a plausible scum slot. You say that I'm not playing/working with the town and that's not true at all. I'm going along with the Toog lynch, I'm down with the bomb plan and my reads mirror most of the town, I think. The only diffrence is that I'm suspicious of Drixx and Tor and I (I think Stun too?) are scumreading Creature. If anything, I'd say that it's

YOU

that's going against the town.

Drixx is numerically possible to not be scum b/c there are more than 3 scummy slots if the game isn't over after we kill all of (toog) Creature,

Nancy

, Kokichi, and Hebi then I'd campaign for his lynch. A lot of people are saying that he took BP and that makes him town but I'm not really understanding that.

I’m really beginning to see Math’s point. You have no goddamned basis for scumreading me and I’m starting to think Drixx could actually be town here. If you’re deliberately targetting me, why not Drixx? I think I was right to be suspicious of Katsuki slot. Have no idea what I ever townread you for. If Toog flips green, I’ll be keeping a close eye on you.

[Nancy Drew 39]

Btw Nero if you

REALLY

think Nancy has high chance of scum, she's been in the townbloc and has gotten about 3 powers by now.

I honestly don’t believe he does think this at all and I’m starting to seriously question the motivation for his Drixx push.

[Nancy Drew 39]

because you kokichi moved over to katsuki when you had the opportunity to move from sando TO titus. you did not vote titus last day phase

This guy cant read English or hes scum. Which is it, Nancy

I’m heavily townleaning Stun. Didn’t he say he had Aspergers’?

[Nancy Drew 39]

like if all 3 scum are not here.


Creature
Gamma Emerald
hebichan
Kokichi Oma
Nancy Drew 39
Toogeloo



then there has to be atleast one scum in

Drixx
Frozen Angel
MathBlade
Nero Cain
Nosferatu
Sakura Hana
Sando
stungun0404
Theta Alpine
the worst
Toranaga

I guess that's a bridge we'll cross when/if we get there though. At that point, we'd prob be flipping Nos/Theta though.

Wow this really narrows it down. Thanks

I seriously wouldn’t trust Nero to give me the correct weather report at this point.

[Nancy Drew 39]

Wow this really narrows it down. Thanks

always glad to be of service.

Then you might actually start making sense.

[Nancy Drew 39]

Nancy I'm pretty sure stun isnt this stupid. And can read English. Do you think he can be scum?

He does have some reads and conclusions that I seriously question - particularly some earlier ones - but for the most part, his posting has been pretty pro-town.

You said you didn’t vote Titus because Shiro promised you poweres iirc? But Shiro was not likely to become townleader - precisely due to that. No one in their right mind was going to vote Shiro, as long as he was insisting on giving Titus a superpower.

So, if you scumread Titus, then how did you imagine Shiro would ever get elected leader?

Am I misunderstanding something?

[Nancy Drew 39]

Sando - VCA says lynch
Toogeloo BBmolla* - Lean town, need to verify if whiteknight
stungun0404 Brandi* NicoRobin* - Hostile, can't get in his head
MathBlade randomidget** - Sibling rivalry blocks read
Kokichi Oma - Lurker
Nancy Drew 39 - Town early now MIA, weaker read
hebichan - Still think this needs pressure to sort
zMuffinMan - Clear by VCA
Creature* Human Sequencer* - Needs to be lynched, scum
Katsuki - Policy
Sakura Hana - Cleared by VCA
Toranaga** - Townish, We did have the interactions I was looking for
Frozen Angel - Town, Needs power tomorrow
123456789 - Dead scum
Shiro - Town by medium
Gamma Emerald - Gun to my head town, no memorable posting but felt town objecting to me saying it
Ankamius brassherald - Dead town
Nosferatu Chickadee - Gun to my head town
Cerberus v666 - Sads
Myloninja13* - Dead
the worst - Opportunistic. Gun to my head scum.
Titus
Drixx* - He reveals himself later but I didn't like his reaction to not getting a power.

Here. Titus calls out Kokichi for lurking and Creature again for being scum.

How is calling someone a “lurker”, spew?

[Nancy Drew 39]

Sando - VCA says lynch
Toogeloo BBmolla* - Lean town, need to verify if whiteknight
stungun0404 Brandi* NicoRobin* - Hostile, can't get in his head
MathBlade randomidget** - Sibling rivalry blocks read
Kokichi Oma - Lurker
Nancy Drew 39 - Town early now MIA, weaker read
hebichan - Still think this needs pressure to sort
zMuffinMan - Clear by VCA
Creature* Human Sequencer* - Needs to be lynched, scum
Katsuki - Policy
Sakura Hana - Cleared by VCA
Toranaga** - Townish, We did have the interactions I was looking for
Frozen Angel - Town, Needs power tomorrow
123456789 - Dead scum
Shiro - Town by medium
Gamma Emerald - Gun to my head town, no memorable posting but felt town objecting to me saying it
Ankamius brassherald - Dead town
Nosferatu Chickadee - Gun to my head town
Cerberus v666 - Sads
Myloninja13* - Dead
the worst - Opportunistic. Gun to my head scum.
Titus
Drixx* - He reveals himself later but I didn't like his reaction to not getting a power.

Here. Titus calls out Kokichi for lurking and Creature again for being scum.

How is calling someone a “lurker”, spew?

[Nancy Drew 39]

I also reread the last page of titus iso and now I think it could be distancing. Like titus was thinking: if they end up lynching me this guy might get a chance because of this and if they actually lynch them I get a bit of cred.

plus people were not going anywhere else so it was her only opening. I can't see any refrence to creature before that or am I missing anything?

YES!
This is exactly what I've been saying.

Makes perfect sense for scum!Titus to go after the lhf/likely mislynchbait to save herself.

Lhf?

Low hanging fruit

[Nancy Drew 39]

lame.

of course, Nos wasn't telling the truth. It wasn't a hard observation to make though I think Stun is town anyways it seems a little nonsensical that you think that's some amazing good point.

of course, you can say that Kokichi is scum/dumb for believing that though.

Nos keeps pushing that narrative. Have you not been paying attention?

[Nancy Drew 39]

What would a green Toog flip say about me?

Katsuki was originally in my POE. You use your superior reasoning skills to figure that out.

[Nancy Drew 39]

because you kokichi moved over to katsuki when you had the opportunity to move from sando TO titus. you did not vote titus last day phase

This guy cant read English or hes scum. Which is it, Nancy

I’m heavily townleaning Stun. Didn’t he say he had Aspergers’?

Can we not equate Aspergers to inability to read?

It just means extremely literal and social concepts can over ones head.

*glares* not cool

Why is it not “cool”? Do you not think that might possibly account - even a little - for some of his more questionable reads/conclusions?

Doesn’t it affect ability to read tone, especially in text format? I’m sorry if you find my post offensive in anyway but I’m not apologizing for taking every aspect into account to try to correctly read people. Sue me. \_0_/

[Nancy Drew 39]

I'm not seeing what the big difference is in Toog town reading Titus and Drixx attacking all of Titus' attackers.

Abuse

, he yells.

Why can you (and Math and whomever) scum read Toog but I can't be suspicious of him for a similar reason? It's not like he's my sole scum read or anything though.

He's also pushed nothing but town unless you believe that there's scum in Sando, Muffin/Theta and Tor.

I didn’t say you can’t be suspicious of Drixx. What I said, is if you are seriously scumreading me, I obviously have to take your scumread on Drixc with a hefty grain of salt.

[Nancy Drew 39]

Then you might actually start making sense.

What am I saying doing that's not making sense?

I guess my paranoia is that Nancy is scum and wants Hana as sole leader b/c they DO have someway to kill her or something.

No, I want Sakura to be the leader. I’m not entirely confident in anyone else but please find some tinfoil reasons to scumread me for that.

buddy her moar.

like if all 3 scum are not here.


Creature
Gamma Emerald
hebichan
Kokichi Oma
Nancy Drew 39
Toogeloo



then there has to be atleast one scum in

Drixx
Frozen Angel
MathBlade
Nero Cain
Nosferatu
Sakura Hana
Sando
stungun0404
Theta Alpine
the worst
Toranaga

I guess that's a bridge we'll cross when/if we get there though. At that point, we'd prob be flipping Nos/Theta though.

I was given a power.


Do I really have one or not?

[Nancy Drew 39]

Nancy you need to stop thinking that anyone that scumreads you is scum.

He is aggressively trying to push my mislynch. Why should I trust his Drixx case?

[Nancy Drew 39]

Questioning whether or not my case has merit and questioning my motivation are two different things.

You scumreading me, despite all evidence townlocking me, makes me question your motivation. yes.

[Nancy Drew 39]

Questioning whether or not my case has merit and questioning my motivation are two different things.

You scumreading me, despite all evidence townlocking me, makes me question your motivation. yes.

P.edit.

If I know your case on

me

lacks merit, why shouldn’t I question both the motivation and merit for your Drixx case? If Sakura has a compelling case on him, I’d be much more accepting of it. If her opinion backs yours, I’d be far more amenable to your case on him.

[Nancy Drew 39]

Why should I trust his Drixx case?

then don't but explain why wich you haven't really done. All you've done is tiptoe around it with some meta arguments or some such.

but also, my Drixx case has nothing to do with you.

You scumreading me, despite all evidence townlocking me, makes me question your motivation. yes.

What evidence? Math town reading you?

It has EVERYTHING to do with me because it’s coming from the same bad source. Are you actually pretending to be dense here?

No, Math’s reads are irrelevant to why I’m obvtown. It’s blatantly clear though, that you either haven’t bothered to take the time to ISO me or are intentionally ignoring my posts obvtowning me. Which one is it?

[Nancy Drew 39]

What does Hana have to do with any of this?

I think she might ultimately townread him but she's maybe a little weary of him.

God! I’m really starting to think Sakura could be right about you.

And Kokichi is scumreading Stun for some of his posts.

I’m reading Sakura as obvtown. Her posts also make alot of sense.

Do you have anymore brilliant questions for me before I shoot myself in the head?

[Nancy Drew 39]

Hey Nancy, here's a tip: Nero is not scum.

I scumread Katsuki slot. I’m not convinced. If we lynch Drixx and he flips red, I promise to eat crow.

[Nancy Drew 39]

Hey Nancy, here's a tip: Nero is not scum.

stop ignoring evidence nancy.

Touche.

[Nancy Drew 39]

I’m really starting to think Sakura could be right about you.

What made you change your mind?

Brcause, certain obvious things seem to escape you, so you’re probably not scum. I’m not totally convinced you’re not yet.

What made me so suspicious was that I never actually defended Drixx. All I did was ask about his meta and say I needed more to be convinced. And for that, you’re scumreading me for that. Also, your suggestion that I’m pushing Sakura as leader because I want to kill her is nutso. I literally pleaded with Shiro to take bp the night he was NKed. Why the hell would I do that if I were scum?

[Nancy Drew 39]

Hey Nancy, here's a tip: Nero is not scum.

I scumread Katsuki slot. I’m not convinced. If we lynch Drixx and he flips red, I promise to eat crow.

Ok then:
Sample Nero Town Game
Sample Nero Scum Hydra Game

Okay, you’ve convinced me. He was half of a scum hydra in Necromancer and I think he played a lot better but maybe I should reread that game?

[Nancy Drew 39]

but telling everyone to vote Hana without a backup seems super crazy and super risky.

Well, I was basing it on both Math getting elected over Sakura and her arming herself with SS bp tonight.

So unless FA is the ackup, I’m not super trusting of anyone else becoming leader but Stun’s suggestion of the majority of votes on Sakura by the most trusted and reliable of townies sounds like a win/win.

[Nancy Drew 39]

Bonus points, the first link also includes Scum Titus DOING THE EXACT SAME THING SHE DID HERE TO CREATURE, to her scum partner when she was getting lynched.

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Post Post #2676 (isolation #46) » July 14th, 2016, 3:36 pm

In post 2672, Luna Fox wrote:
Luna's foxy reads list v1.01

Strong town:
Nero Cain
Antihero
Ranger
Heat

Towny:
beeboy
Fire Assassin
TheWayItEnds
TiphaineDeath
Nosferatu
Dunnstral

Town only because of claim:
Almost50

Leftovers:
SirCakez
Suzune
Dwlee99
zakk
Varsoon
Titus


I agree with this list but for Nero Ranger.

———————————-

This is a quote from Titus which got partially cut off.

[Nancy Drew 39]

I literally pleaded with Shiro to take bp the night he was NKed

Also, I swore I read something about how ppl keep dying despite having protection. Is that a thing? Seems like scum have some strongman or such, if so. Why did you specifically tell Shiro to take the BP?

He was insisting on sacrificing himself by not using bp to spirit-link Titus. After Titus adamantly refused to do the right thing by town and sacrifice herself to remove all reasonable objections to Shiro leadership, I became very suspicious of Titus’ claim of giving Ank a power. Shiro practically being willing to take a bullet for Titus, read to me like a heavily pocketed townie, who wasn’t too concerned with his own self-protection.

I felt extremely confident at that point, that Shiro was likely going to be the next NK, so I thought if he came right out and insisted that he would use bp - like Sakura is doing tonight - scum would shoot elsewhere. I was so convinced that Shiro would be the target that I used HT on him that night to protect him from Petrification, just in case scum tried to NK somewhere else and Petrify him instead.

[Nancy Drew 39]

I can post as much as I godamn want, Math.

You can yes.

But if you stop me and Drixx communicating because you do do you expect a deity to come on high and change my read? Continually spamming is counter productive to your goal.

Communicating? or the blind (Drixx) misleading the blind (you)?

Or maybe you’re both equally blind? \_0_/

[Nancy Drew 39]

Do we know the n2/n3 teams?

We know all teams yes.
N1: FA > Cerb, Tora, Nancy, Shiro, Ank (Cerb died, he also claimed to not have taken a BP via Link)
N2: Titus > FA, Nancy, Shiro, Math, Ank (Ank died)
N3: FA > Me, Nancy, Math, Drixx, Shiro (Shiro died)

OIC, that explains why he got no results on FA. She Phased, so Mimicry failed.

No, wait. She phased N2. She didn’t need to phase N1 because she was leader.

[Nancy Drew 39]

Or rather, we know the teams that are CLAIMED, we have no way of knowing whether those were the actual teams or not, other than ppl confirming they got a power. (N1 team is pretty much confirmed however)

The only one that is likely not who was claimed was Superhero team 2, because of Shiro kill. Scum likely didn’t want him talking to Ank about power or it also could have been just WIFOM. My money’s on a combination of the two.

[Nancy Drew 39]

im not spamming. Also, why do you need to sort Drixx? Though he was obvtown?

He is. However I am trying to give you benefit of the doubt. Doing this makes me want to just say fuck it and end the day. I have my opinion right now based on what I see.

However overnight I will look at Sakura’s links and other things to see if stuff changes.

By continually going “X is scum” or “gotcha” it makes me want to read your posts less and less because they are repetitive or useless.

WHY is he obvtown Math?

[Nancy Drew 39]

The only thing useful in these past pages is that meta link and not because it’s about Nero. It’s so I can reevaluate Titus+Creature

In that case I'll also point you that this happened on D2.
Scum got dayvigged D2, Titus was getting lynched or something, and by the end of the day she decided to make a bus push on her teammate Varsoon before she got ultimately lynched.

So what u want to look at the most is D2, besides Titus ISO can be quite a pain to read since she was posting memes all of D1 (Good thing i replaced in during D2 lol)

Does scum!Titus usually do this? Wouldn’t that be against her wincon?

[Nancy Drew 39]

I'm not even calling you scum. :/

I was pretty much done after I responded to you, Math but

Nancy wanted to argue

and I've ever the gentleman so I obliged her

Also, I was the one that killed PV in Street Fighter

Argue? What? I was just defending myself against a bad push - for whatever reasons.

[Nancy Drew 39]

I'm not even calling you scum. :/

I was pretty much done after I responded to you, Math but Nancy wanted to argue and I've ever the gentleman so I obliged her

Also, I was the one that killed PV in Street Fighter

The true gentlemanly thing is when someone is screaming like an idiot is to tell them they are screaming like a bloody idiot. They may not realize it.

If you think Nancy is trolling/looking for it don’t feed her.

Likewise Nancy if you think Nero is fishing / attacking those who disagree point it out once and move on.

This pages back and forth arguing with each other instead of talking outward to the thread serves no one

Um excuse me? How was I doing any such thing, Math?

When I want YOUR advice on gameplay, I’ll actually make a point of that being blatantly OBVIOUS to you.

How will you know if/when that ever happens?

Spoiler:

I WILL FUCKING

ASK

YOU!!!

[Nancy Drew 39]

The only thing useful in these past pages is that meta link and not because it’s about Nero. It’s so I can reevaluate Titus+Creature

In that case I'll also point you that this happened on D2.
Scum got dayvigged D2, Titus was getting lynched or something, and by the end of the day she decided to make a bus push on her teammate Varsoon before she got ultimately lynched.

So what u want to look at the most is D2, besides Titus ISO can be quite a pain to read since she was posting memes all of D1 (Good thing i replaced in during D2 lol)

Does scum!Titus usually do this? Wouldn’t that be against her wincon?

When you have a non busing meta

, it did buy Varsoon a day or 2, at least i thought he was town coz Titus pushed him.
But now I know that she's capable of busing before dying.

So, neither Math’s or your theory is reliable then. Titus’ actions vis a vis Creature can’t be confirmed one way or the other by meta. So, the most likely explanation is that Titus got desperate and pushed the lhf, like I suggested. Which probably makes Creature probable mislynchbait.

[Nancy Drew 39]

FMPOV you've done some sketchy things and I'm scumreading multiple ppl. Obviously, you all can't be scum but I'd rather keep my options open and getting out my thoughts is the pro-town thing to do. If it ruffles some tail feathers then so be it but no one should be above suspicion unless they are mechanically cleared or something.

Vehemently disagree with the first but obviously agree with the second. Where have I done anything remotely “sketchy”? I think you’re just making that up. Either that or maybe you’re just confibiasing because you still haven’t read my goddamned ISO.

[Nancy Drew 39]

@Nero - Dude. Snark and rhetoric are NOT the same thing as abuse. Everyone who knows Titus (and Mathblade for that matter) knows how to wind them up personally. That's abuse. Me being tongue in cheek is NOT abuse.

Except you're accusing me of it, and I don't know Titus/Mathblade, I've never played with them. If you honestly thought it was me being abusive for scum purposes, hence the vote, you'd be honestly thinking that it was obvious from my tone that I was setting out to wind someone up. My posts D1 are clearly not that, they're perfectly friendly whilst scumhunting, something you yourself say is fine.

I was NOT being abusive. I wasn't winding Titus up, at all, let alone for no reason as you claim.

If you felt that Titus needed kid gloves, you had ample opportunity to say something, since I clearly did not know Titus. Instead you decided to scumread me and dismiss all of my points against her.

That is precisely what I’m trying to figure out and ironically getting scumread for it by Nero. XD

Is this sort of thing typical of Drixx’s play or is it scum indicative? What do you think?

[Nancy Drew 39]

I heard you all like Vote Counts.

I know Brian, we're nuts

we don't

Can anyone post Monty Python Life of Brian video clip of Brian instructing his followers that [they]”are all individuals” and one rogue disciple claiming that [they’re] “not”?

Tyvmia <3

[Nancy Drew 39]

I'll explain it all tomorrow and we can annoy Math with a 10 page back and forth.

Like I said, I’m very sure I haven’t done anything intentionally sketchy but I’m all for annoying Math so . . . \_0_/

[Nancy Drew 39]

dude, do your own research then. Don't ask us. None of us know. I mean, I personally think its scummy. Math is "familiar" but its like I trust his reads on Drixx after Civ. It feels like you are just wanting to go along with public opinion.

If this is addressed to me, then that statement couldn’t be further from the truth. I rarely rely on that and have often gotten wrongly scumread because of it.

[Nancy Drew 39]

So, neither Math’s or your theory is reliable then. Titus’ actions vis a vis Creature can’t be confirmed one way or the other by meta. So, the most likely explanation is that Titus got desperate and pushed the lhf, like I suggested. Which probably makes Creature probable mislynchbait.

Titus can bus, that game is evidence to that.
In fact the main reason im invoking it is because it felt the same way it did in that game.
Furthermore why does she invoke her meta when i say i believe she's busing creature? is she telling me the truth about not busing? like wtf, THAT would be game throwing.

I dunno. I’ve never played with scum!Titus before but if she as you say has a “non-bussing meta” and she went against that by bussing Varsoon then, it could be either. Creature could be a bus or mislynchbait, is my point. In either case, his being the lhf is indisputable.

[Nancy Drew 39]

Basically
>Titus is voting Creature
>Me: while voting Titus: "I think this is Creature's scum meta" or something like that
>Titus: while quoting me: "Do you think im busing?"
>Me: "Lets be real, what scum wouldnt bus Creature"
>Titus: "I'd say something about my meta but catch 22"

Well that would depend entirely

IF

Creature was scum. If he is, then I agree with you that it was a likely bus.

He also scumread Tor and me, so who knows?

[Nancy Drew 39]

Basically
>Titus is voting Creature
>Me: while voting Titus: "I think this is Creature's scum meta" or something like that
>Titus: while quoting me: "Do you think im busing?"
>Me: "Lets be real, what scum wouldnt bus Creature"
>Titus: "I'd say something about my meta but catch 22"

Well that would depend entirely

IF

Creature was scum. If he is, then I agree with you that it was a likely bus.

He also scumread Tor and me, so who knows?

SHE

- before the pronoun fascist comes after me. <3

[Nancy Drew 39]

I feel like you are tiptoeing around the points I raised WRT Drixx and just going "meta? is this is scum meta?" AND then since that made me suspicious you are claiming that my Drixx case is bad b/c I'm misreading you. You've still yet to actually talk about the points I raised. Of course, I guess you've

kinda

commented when you said he was "naturally wolfy"

just w/e. I don't want to post anymore.

No, I do take your case on him seriously. I want to know if his wolfy behaviour can be accounted for by meta or not. If it can’t, then I’d have 0 problem sheeping you on a Drixx lynch.

Math’s head might explode though. XD

[Nancy Drew 39]

his being the lhf is indisputable.

lol
how are you low hanging fruit when ur town and scum meta are like day and night.

I mean if Creature is town here. That’s my point.

Meta aside, I’ve been going back and forth on my Creature read. In Labrynth, it was beyond obvious.

[Nancy Drew 39]

Well, I don't know and I don't really feel like doing a meta dive, you can either do one or maybe Hana or someone would be up for it or you can just trust me enough to flip Drixx before lylo if we haven't ended the game yet.

Well I voted for him on D2, because of that ubersketchy Sakura push and on D3, he made a comparable badpush on Shiro iirc?

His lynch turned out to be unviable and most everyone went with Muffin’s compromise mylo lynch instead. I would have definitely voted Drixx on D2, had that wagon been viable but I don’t think Math will ever let that happen. Math gets lost in tunnel vision much of the time. Just ISO him in Labrynth. Had be not gotten NKed when he did, scum most likely would have clobbered us.

I promise, I’m not trying to get in the way of that. FA promised to ISO him. Did she do that yet?

My point is that I’m not opposed. I do know Math townreading him does absolutely nothing for me. lol

[Nancy Drew 39]

Votecount 4.10

Leader: MathBlade

Toogeloo (7):

the worst, Frozen Angel, Theta Alpine, stungun0404, hebichan, MathBlade, Toranaga

the worst (2):

Sando, Creature

Gamma Emerald (1):

Nero Cain

Nancy Drew 39 (1):

Nosferatu

Stungun0404 (1):

Kokichi Oma

Creature (0):

Drixx (0):

Frozen Angel (0):

hebichan (0):

Kokichi Oma (0):

Nero Cain(0):

Nosferatu (0):

Sakura Hana (0):

Sando (0):

Theta Alpine(0):

Toranaga (0):

Not Voting (5):

Drixx, Gamma Emerald, Nancy Drew 39, Sakura Hana, Toogeloo

With

17

players, it takes

9

to lynch.
The day ends in (expired on 2018-08-11 21:00:00).

Nancy Drew is on V/LA for (expired on 2018-08-08 00:00:00).
Katsuki has requested replacement.

Abilities Available for Acquisition

Force Field Generation:

Target another player. That player is protected from one killing action until the next Night Phase.

Freezing:

Target another player. That player cannot use any abilities until the next Night Phase.

Impenetrable Skin:

You are protected from one killing action until the next Night Phase.

Power Echo:

Target another player. Any targeting Superpowers this player uses this Night Phase will be used on another player of your choice in addition to their original target.

Siren's Call:

Target another player. That player's action(s) will be redirected to target you instead of their original target(s) until the next Night Phase.

*Super Strength:

Any actions you take this Night Phase cannot be blocked or manipulated.

*May be used to modify any Superpowers a player may have. Does not count against the number of Superpowers a player may use each Night Phase.

It’s at L-2 now.

[Nancy Drew 39]

kinda, I think she was the one that was "hey he's town b/c BP" but if you want meta you or someone is going to have to read his OTHER games. I think it was you that brought up the poibt that you didn't like him defending himseld based on self meta. I think Drixx is all world scummy and I'd want to see him lynched if we haven't ended the game here in a bit.

Yes, it was me. I get pinged when people defend themselves based on their own meta - DURING a game because it often doesn’t mean anything.

I’ve had games where I was one of the top posters and games where I posted the bare minimum. I could find lots of examples of this kind, which could be used both for and against reading me a certain way. It comes across as self-serving IMO.

[Nancy Drew 39]

@Nero - Dude. Snark and rhetoric are NOT the same thing as abuse. Everyone who knows Titus (and Mathblade for that matter) knows how to wind them up personally. That's abuse. Me being tongue in cheek is NOT abuse.

Except you're accusing me of it, and I don't know Titus/Mathblade, I've never played with them. If you honestly thought it was me being abusive for scum purposes, hence the vote, you'd be honestly thinking that it was obvious from my tone that I was setting out to wind someone up. My posts D1 are clearly not that, they're perfectly friendly whilst scumhunting, something you yourself say is fine.

I was NOT being abusive. I wasn't winding Titus up, at all, let alone for no reason as you claim.

If you felt that Titus needed kid gloves, you had ample opportunity to say something, since I clearly did not know Titus. Instead you decided to scumread me and dismiss all of my points against her.

That is precisely what I’m trying to figure out and ironically getting scumread for it by Nero. XD

Is this sort of thing typical of Drixx’s play or is it scum indicative? What do you think?

I dunno really, never played with any of them before. Drixx's play around me in isolation strikes me as scummy, although I still can't wrap my head around a scum!Drixx not pushing the lynch on me D3. I can provide a scum motivation for most other things in his play, and the relationship with Titus, but not that.

I’m on the fence about Drixx rn. I am neither for or against his lynch.

[Nancy Drew 39]

I'm not gonna get into the mechanical talk because better people for the job are already on it, so this gameday has me doing nothing instead since we're not really scumhunting until toogeloo flips

I think we’re still at L-2 now.

[Nancy Drew 39]

I think that’s a hammer. @mod

[Nancy Drew 39]

VOTE: toogeloo

No lol, you are only allowed one vote.

[Nancy Drew 39]

I'm not gonna get into the mechanical talk because better people for the job are already on it, so this gameday has me doing nothing instead since we're not really scumhunting until toogeloo flips

Should I hammer?

[Nancy Drew 39]

I'm not gonna get into the mechanical talk because better people for the job are already on it, so this gameday has me doing nothing instead since we're not really scumhunting until toogeloo flips

Should I hammer?

I’ll give it another 20 minutes or so?

[Nancy Drew 39]

I'm not gonna get into the mechanical talk because better people for the job are already on it, so this gameday has me doing nothing instead since we're not really scumhunting until toogeloo flips

Should I hammer?

I’ll give it another 20 minutes or so?

Unless there are any objections.

[Nancy Drew 39]

I'm not gonna get into the mechanical talk because better people for the job are already on it, so this gameday has me doing nothing instead since we're not really scumhunting until toogeloo flips

Should I hammer?

I’ll give it another 20 minutes or so?

Unless there are any objections.

1 hour later...

and another 30+

we among drakura sixx could have finished our entire concert setlist by now

Guess not. Lol

[Nancy Drew 39]

VOTE: Toogeloo

[Nancy Drew 39]

Well that was... an odd choice for a kill.

It certainly wasn’t whom I was expecting but I’m not entirely shocked either.

He more than anyone was going through everyone’s ISO with a fine tooth comb. I think scum probably reasoned that, if anyone is likely to unearth the hidden scum, it was him.

[Nancy Drew 39]

viewtopic.php?p=8113020#p8113020

I went through it enough to see that Titus could potentially be that stupid.
I don’t have time to type up all my thoughts but that post is one that stood out to me.

So a Creature lynch is a okay with me. I just don’t think it’s ideal.

If no one townreads him I could always just petrify him though so we end up with a lynch that is useful instead of stagnating the game. If we are doing suicide bomb I think it’s extremely important to identify three town in the lynch pool and give them bombs.

Another alternative is to just blow him up with the suicide bombers.

However if we think it’s proper to lynch him then I am on board. We just have to consider all angles.

That kill threw me for a loop and I need to redo some calculations when not at work.

But why Petrification over a regular lynch? What I’m thinking is, if Creature is scum here, who are his two remaining teammates? If we can figure that out, then we’ve got the game solved.

[Nancy Drew 39]

Mainly as Toranaga says I am a good ol citizen.

With the self given power of try to shut the fuck up.

*Trying very hard not to comment on this.*

[Nancy Drew 39]

To be clear Creature has to die before the start of the next day.

I just want us to plan out how.

Where is this 180 coming from anyway? Weren’t you hard defending him last day phase. What changed?

[Nancy Drew 39]

To be clear Creature has to die before the start of the next day.

I just want us to plan out how.

i think black goo makes ppl cult when they target them.
But im not exactly sure if this is the actual goo roles or just some sort of goo mechanic or simply change the player's color.

Sakura

Game lacks cults. Cults are defined bastard on MS.

But There is a cult goo for real. I'm alarmed af. let me search the wiki

Frozen there cannot be cults

We are confirmed starting out Vanilla in the op

Please like stop

JUST FUCKING READ THE BLACK GOO

it's confirmed and started as villa but this goo ability thing is a refrence to real goo ability things

Rainbow Goo: Whenever a player targets you with an action, you do something random (anything any other color can do) to them.
Orange Goo: You will steal the vote of anyone who targets you for the rest of the game.
Brown Goo: You will steal the vote of anyone who targets you for the next game day.
Green Goo: Whenever a player targets you with an action, they will become green goo and lose any powers they currently have. Their team doesn't change.
Toxic Goo: Anyone who targets you with an ability will die of poison at the end of the next day.

Black Goo: Whenever a player targets you with an action, they will join your cult as another black goo regardless of their original team.

Red Goo: Whenever someone targets you with an action, they become a neighbor of you.
Blue Goo: If you die or are lynched, the player who kills you or casts the lynching vote becomes blue goo themselves.
Turquoise Goo: When you die, you can turn another player into Turquoise Goo.
Purple Goo: Whenever someone targets you with an action, you switch roles with that player.
Silver Goo: Whenever another player targets you with an action, you become a perfect copy of that player.
White Goo: All dead players will turn to White Goo as they die. You show up as town on death.
Grey Goo: You can target a player to turn them into more Grey Goo. Their team doesn't change. (This is the only non-reflexive goo.)
Teal Goo: Anyone who targets you with an action will evolve to a new role.
Gold Goo: Whenever someone targets you with a non-group action, they lose the ability to use that action and you gain it.
Yellow Goo: Whenever someone targets you with an action, they lose the ability to use that action and you gain it. This even affects group actions. That member of the group can no longer perform that action. Other members of the group can still perform it

https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Goo

Are you saying that black goo can turn a vanilla into PR?

[Nancy Drew 39]

viewtopic.php?p=8113020#p8113020

I went through it enough to see that Titus could potentially be that stupid.
I don’t have time to type up all my thoughts but that post is one that stood out to me.

So a Creature lynch is a okay with me. I just don’t think it’s ideal.

If no one townreads him I could always just petrify him though so we end up with a lynch that is useful instead of stagnating the game. If we are doing suicide bomb I think it’s extremely important to identify three town in the lynch pool and give them bombs.

Another alternative is to just blow him up with the suicide bombers.

However if we think it’s proper to lynch him then I am on board. We just have to consider all angles.

That kill threw me for a loop and I need to redo some calculations when not at work.

But why Petrification over a regular lynch? What I’m thinking is, if Creature is scum here, who are his two remaining teammates? If we can figure that out, then we’ve got the game solved.

The gist is this.

If we petrify Creature we get a useful lynch today. If I remember right then Healing Touch wasn’t available D2. Scum would have no defense to it. We use that helpful lynch to determine who is scum left and to distribute the bombs.

I can see Creature not being the most informative lynch, since no one has linked him to anyone other than Titus, which doesn’t help lead us to the other two remaining scum. So I can see merit in your Petrification/bomb argument. HT wasn’t available unti N3. I remember, because I used it on Shiro.

[Nancy Drew 39]

I am thinking two hidden scum in the not town block

The reason being is Titus was screaming for Ank to confirm her. She probably ran a gambit that went sideways.

Two? I’m not entirely convinced of that.

[Nancy Drew 39]

To be clear Creature has to die before the start of the next day.

I just want us to plan out how.

Where is this 180 coming from anyway? Weren’t you hard defending him last day phase. What changed?

I did as I said I read Titus’s meta. I had not seen that game. Therefore my logic I used to townread Creature was flawed. Titus could indeed be that stupid which I feel bad for her scumbuddies. It’s pretty much as close to throwing as one can get. It’s why outed scum lolcats.

Numbers/Titus/Creature? = scum dreamteam. . Well considering it’s now D5 and there are 3 scum still left in the game - 2, if you don’t include Creature. What are the odds of RNG being this bad for scum? If your theory is correct, then they’re is at least one really deep wolf - if not two left in the game. Can you think of anyone left in the game - in or outside of the townblock, who might be capable of pulling that off?

[Nancy Drew 39]

I mean, I'm pretty sure titus only voted for town when she was trying to get a counterwagon on herself going day three.

So yes, I think she was that stupid.

Are you familiar with her scum meta? I’ve only previously seen her as town, in team hydra mafia game - where in contrast - she totally rocked it.

[Nancy Drew 39]

Nancy...

Repeat after me
Do not go into the rabbit hole.

Do not go into the rabbit hole.

use gas to kill all the rabbits instead

@nancy black goo is a sort of cult

But cults are bastard and this game isn’t.

[Nancy Drew 39]

do not

go into the rabbit hole

Why? Do you also have a red pill for me to take? XD

[Nancy Drew 39]

Dw I'm town, creature's RNG just told him to tunnel me.

“RNG”? Creature has an RNG? What?

But yeah, I don’t really see the scum motivation for your bomb push, unless you some sort of scum genius or something.

[Nancy Drew 39]

what is your read on nero slot and why

I remember townreading Nero because how he seemed to be actually gamesolving (which is less evident on his scum games), but I believe he's self-resolvable and eventually will become pretty obvious.

Yeah, Sakura’s meta links were extremely convincing.

[Nancy Drew 39]

Actually I'm pretty sure FA's case on me came out of a random number generator too do who the fuck knows

FA’s? Her case on Toog was pretty convincing - eventhough it obviously turned out to be wrong.

[Nancy Drew 39]

What do you think about hebichan yourself?

Gonna need you to explain why you feel like she's the most likely one you're wrong about first

Gonna try to explain:

It's as if something sentimental about hebichan makes me townread her even though I sometimes say to myself I don't like her posts.

“Sentimental”?

[Nancy Drew 39]

Okay, Sando can go too

VOTE: Sando

CREATURE IS TOWN

Creature there's no time, pls.

WE'LL MAKE TIME DAMMIT

Fine

VOTE: Mylo

CREATURE IS SCUM

VOTE: Sando

THIS MAKES ME QUEASY

Hmmm . . . that’s really interesting. What do you make of it?

[Nancy Drew 39]

This is one post that made me townread Nosferatu.

Why?

[Nancy Drew 39]

Why did this make you townread him, specifically?

"CREATURE IS TOWN" for me hopping on Sando

"CREATURE IS SCUM" for me hopping off Sando

It's most that I don't expect scum!Nosferatu to exaggerate on that.

Have you played with scum!Nos before?

[Nancy Drew 39]

FWIW creature is prob town based on meta

I’ve been going back and forth on that slot since he first started posting.

[Nancy Drew 39]

not lynching creature requires not remembering how bad his posting was this entire game

let's sit on this shit, alright?

don't lynch anyone without ISOing them unless we have a guilty today

Agreed. Has Creature agreed to detonate himself or not? This could be telling.

[Nancy Drew 39]

goo is a colored text indicator. people who vote me will be seen purple if I activate purple goo

It's some sort of watcher whose results will show up next day.

just checked with mod.

So, you’d actually get a choice of colours?

[Nancy Drew 39]

not lynching creature requires

not remembering

how bad his posting was this entire game

Oh, how ironic.

What is ironic about this?

[Nancy Drew 39]

FWIW creature is prob town based on meta

i mean, yesterday he was pretty much playing to his scum meta. Today he's more active and a scum him/his team deciding that he'll be active today to "play to his town" meta seems plausible.

Yeah, Sakura’s meta links were extremely convincing.

I mean true, I'm only this active as town but I sorta hate being just town read on meta alone. I think my content was good and I'm sad that it didn't matter to anyone.

Yeah, Creature is being a riddle this game. You think he could be coached? But how to account for the inconsistency though? That’s what I’m trying to wrap my head around.

Well, I was initially suspicious because I didn’t see why you were scumreading me on the Drixx thing but it was also that Katsuki slot seemed scummy to me, so I’m glad those links cleared things up.

[Nancy Drew 39]

my suggestion for the day would be Math bombs ppl tonight but I don't trust him to be mature enough to self-detonate.

Why would you want Math to self-detonate?

[Nancy Drew 39]

yeah you can choose your color

God that was scary, i almost thought you guys lynched Kokichi without me sending anything.
Just just as a precaution i sent something that doesnt use the bomb plan until we figure out if we're gonna use it.

As for the goo generator, yes it is a public self watcher.

you choose a color, anyone that targets you will appear that color in votecounts.

Cool.

If colour doesn’t matter, my favourite one is purple.

[Nancy Drew 39]

my suggestion for the day would be Math bombs ppl tonight but I don't trust him to be mature enough to self-detonate.

Considering giving bomb to me when I am likely petrifying Creature would be stupid, I would never self detonate.

There would be no reason for me to die when I can petrify.

And furthermore we want to eliminate people in the lynchpool
And even furthermore we don’t give out bombs plural to one person
Each person would get one

Like *facepalm*

Someone tell me if this is derp!Nero please or scum!Nero still thinking derp

Most likely town!Nero not being a fan but if he was serious.

However tbf, I can understand why he thinks you’re being annoying.


*ducks*

[Nancy Drew 39]

So Titus gave power to a scummate instead of Ank.

N2: Titus > FA, Nancy, Shiro, Math, Ank (Ank died)

So one of Nancy, FA or Math is scum?

Lololol, Math is right. Is this a derp? Titus clearly gave the power to

someone else

.


Someone

hidden

, which probably why they killed Shiro.

[Nancy Drew 39]

maybe I'd add Nosferatu

I thought you townread him?

[Nancy Drew 39]

The leader claims who we give powers to before day end
The people who got powers confirm day start.

Well, technically FA said it D2, Titus was forced beforehand because of a leash.
I don't mind outing my team today instead of tomorrow im just worried that scum will just avoid shooting them in fear of a self-watcher.
the bombing team is an entirely different story if we go that route tho.

Bombing do 50/50 split

Like {{one of A or B if you get a bomb explode on buddy}}
Something like

{{Dream Weaver or Brian Skies gets a bomb whoever does blow up on other}}

X3
FA self watcher
Nancy self watcher

What? Are you derping too now?

[Nancy Drew 39]

Throw on top of that I petrify Creature because FA and Nancy (even though I am pretty sure she doesn’t have PN mainly for FA paranoia) will have to self watch then boom. We find out if scum indeed have negate

I don’t know what FA has to do with it? I either have EH or bp. Not saying which. I have no intention of making things easier for scum.

[Nancy Drew 39]

obviously she gave it to scum

that's why I used mimickry on gamma last night. I was shooting for a red check.

I actually went from kokichi to gamma because I tried to hit their most townread wolf who likely got powers that night

Why didn’t you verify the townblock?

*curious look*

Like people are paranoid of deep wolves why not check someone in the block?

Agree with this. We need to verify that everyone is telling the truth about which powers they took but they’re clear, wouldn’t it benefit scum to know whom to target next? That is my only concern.

[Nancy Drew 39]

obviously she gave it to scum

that's why I used mimickry on gamma last night. I was shooting for a red check.

I actually went from kokichi to gamma because I tried to hit their most townread wolf who likely got powers that night

Why didn’t you verify the townblock?

*curious look*

Like people are paranoid of deep wolves why not check someone in the block?

because I'm not scumreading them

I'm checking people I scumread instead

Maybe do a thorough ISO of Titus in that case and check out any strange interactions, she might have had, in order to find possible clues to the hidden scum?

[Nancy Drew 39]

I think this is my bomb list. (if we are still doing it)

Theta Alpine
the worst
Gamma Emerald
hebichan
Creature

Guess I'm alright with those.

Take Gamma off it

and put yourself on and im good with this.

Agree, UFO already cleared Gamma of using any powers.

Agree, with taking Gamma off that list, I mean - (in case that wasn’t already clear).

hebi, did you check out the Nero links Sakura posted D4?

[Nancy Drew 39]

I think this is my bomb list. (if we are still doing it)

Theta Alpine
the worst
Gamma Emerald
hebichan
Creature

Guess I'm alright with those.

Take Gamma off it

and put yourself on and im good with this.

Agree, UFO already cleared Gamma of using any powers.

Agree, with taking Gamma off that list, I mean - (in case that wasn’t already clear).

hebi, did you check out the Nero links Sakura posted D4?

P.edt. Derp, you meant Creature. s self.

[Nancy Drew 39]

Friendly reminder that mimicry only copies the powers the player used that night.

Yes, so my point is that if UFO were to investigate anyone in the townblock, he should not post it in the thread if they’re clear, I think because it helps scum to know whom to target but if someone in the townblock say used a suspicious power, then by all means, he should reveal it. If not, just say they either used bp or they’re clear. Makes sense?

[Nancy Drew 39]

Throw on top of that I petrify Creature because FA and Nancy (even though I am pretty sure she doesn’t have PN mainly for FA paranoia) will have to self watch then boom. We find out if scum indeed have negate

I don’t know what FA has to do with it? I either have EH or bp. Not saying which. I have no intention of making things easier for scum.

FA has claimed PN.

I am 99.9999% sure she is not scum but self watcher proves scum have negate.
I don’t want her to try to hero save me
What we gain from petrifying Creature is too great

Goo Generation: Until the next Night Phase, anyone that successfully targets you will be covered in goo of a single color of your choice.
Petrification: Target another player. That player loses their ability to post, vote, and submit actions and no longer counts for parity.
Power Absorption: You acquire any Superpowers that successfully target you.
Power Echo: Target another player. Any targeting Superpowers this player uses this Night Phase will be used on another player of your choice in addition to their original target.
**Self-Detonation: Target another player. Both you and that player will die.
Superhuman Tracking: Target another player. You will know who that player targets this Night Phase.

**May be used during the Day but still counts against the following Night's Superpower usage. If used during the Day, resolves immediately. If used during the Night, resolves normally.

Is Power Absorbtion, self-watcher?

But I still don’t understand your FA comment. I didn’t know what powers she had until D3 and she didn’t even claim PN until D4 iirc? So, my pick was unrelated to that. *confused*

[Nancy Drew 39]

wowie i have not read shit

can i bomb someone know or what

Only if Sakura picks you for SH Power.

[Nancy Drew 39]

Goo generator is the self watcher, Power Absorption does help you figure out which powers were used on you tho, but Goo Generator reacts to all targets so even if scum kills you, they'd be covered in goo and people would see it.

So, maybe you combine a list with both self-detonaters and obvtown goo pickers?

[Nancy Drew 39]

I'm actually covered in goo irl will that give me an ingame advantage?

[Nancy Drew 39]

But I still don’t understand your FA comment. I didn’t know what powers she had until D3 and she didn’t even claim PN until D4 iirc? So, my pick was unrelated to that. *confused*

I think I claimed day 3? or was it day 4

I think you claimed Phasing day 3 and Power Negate, day 4?

[Nancy Drew 39]

Throw on top of that I petrify Creature because FA and Nancy (even though I am pretty sure she doesn’t have PN mainly for FA paranoia) will have to self watch then boom. We find out if scum indeed have negate

I don’t know what FA has to do with it? I either have EH or bp. Not saying which. I have no intention of making things easier for scum.

FA has claimed PN.

I am 99.9999% sure she is not scum but self watcher proves scum have negate.
I don’t want her to try to hero save me
What we gain from petrifying Creature is too great

Goo Generation: Until the next Night Phase, anyone that successfully targets you will be covered in goo of a single color of your choice.
Petrification: Target another player. That player loses their ability to post, vote, and submit actions and no longer counts for parity.
Power Absorption: You acquire any Superpowers that successfully target you.
Power Echo: Target another player. Any targeting Superpowers this player uses this Night Phase will be used on another player of your choice in addition to their original target.
**Self-Detonation: Target another player. Both you and that player will die.
Superhuman Tracking: Target another player. You will know who that player targets this Night Phase.

**May be used during the Day but still counts against the following Night's Superpower usage. If used during the Day, resolves immediately. If used during the Night, resolves normally.

Is Power Absorbtion, self-watcher?

But I still don’t understand your FA comment. I didn’t know what powers she had until D3 and she didn’t even claim PN until D4 iirc? So, my pick was unrelated to that. *confused*

But that was on Day 4, wasn’t it? I picked my N2 power (not PN) on that night, so FA had jack to do with it. Do I need a Math translator or something?

It’s more FA pressured you.
I am confirmed not to have power negate having used precog multiple times now.
Pretty sure it’s just you and FA not “confirmed”

If we confirm you by giving you and FA self watchers and everything goes fine best of all possible worlds.

Which is why I want Drixx’s feedback on my plan. The fact he is dodging my risk assessment and analysis of the risk and then saying it is too risky is pissing me off.

But that wasn’t until Day 4. I picked by N2 Power (not PN obviously) on N2. Do I need a Math traslator or something?

[Nancy Drew 39]

To be clear Creature has to die before the start of the next day.

I just want us to plan out how.

Where is this 180 coming from anyway? Weren’t you hard defending him last day phase. What changed?

I did as I said I read Titus’s meta. I had not seen that game. Therefore my logic I used to townread Creature was flawed. Titus could indeed be that stupid which I feel bad for her scumbuddies. It’s pretty much as close to throwing as one can get. It’s why outed scum lolcats.

I will address this late tonight. Can’t do it while working.
Numbers/Titus/Creature? = scum dreamteam. . Well considering it’s now D5 and there are 3 scum still left in the game - 2, if you don’t include Creature. What are the odds of RNG being this bad for scum? If your theory is correct, then they’re is at least one really deep wolf - if not two left in the game. Can you think of anyone left in the game - in or outside of the townblock, who might be capable of pulling that off?

Inside the townblock, Drixx or FA maybe. Sakura and you I don’t know enough about.

Outside the townblock UFO maybe? I don’t know a lot of scum metas outside it and those I know don’t really do mechanics that much.

Well, as I already said to Stun, I’ve never actually been scum, not just on MS but ANYWHERE. Lol.

[Nancy Drew 39]

Well, I was initially suspicious because

I didn’t see why you were scumreading me on the Drixx

thing

I wasn’t entirely convinced about your Drixx argument and asked you some questions to understand your case on him better.

I can totally understand why in your mind, that makes me lockscum

.

just found that pretty funny.

my suggestion for the day would be Math bombs ppl tonight but I don't trust him to be mature enough to self-detonate.

Why would you want Math to self-detonate?

Most likely town!Nero not being a fan but if he was serious.

However tbf, I can understand why he thinks you’re being annoying.

Nero, if you were given a power from those availaible today which would you choose and why?

I need to think about this. I think all the powers sans detonate and petrification offer pretty equal equity and I'd have to read what all the goo colors do. So let me get back to you but for now, I lean on the track I suppose.

Oh sorry, I meant nero should put himself on it, not you.

I just don't see gamma and titus as scum together.

Is there a reason why you are not giving any reasons for your Nero scum read?

Why can't Gamma and Titus be a thing?

Lololol. That second quote of mine was intended to be facetious.

[Nancy Drew 39]

Agree, UFO already cleared Gamma of using any powers.

Agree, with taking Gamma off that list, I mean - (in case that wasn’t already clear).

hebi, did you check out the Nero links Sakura posted D4?

Why is Gamma being powerless an inno?

She did but she's scum and as to ignore it.

Personally if it were confirmed Titus didn't give Ank powers I'd be looking pretty damn hard at Drixx right now. I don't see Shiro kill as a protection of "hidden" but protection of Drixx, it makes a lot more sense logically.

Why does this point to Drixx?

This is actually either scum tmi or blatantly the worst posting I've ever seen. You're literally assuming all 3 scum are in the townblock, lol.

TBF, there's only 3 scum left so even if we

DID

hit all 3 scum in our bombing run we'd still kill town if we did more than 3. Though I'm in agreement with you that Drixx's reservations don't make much sense from a town POV.

The only person to express a suspicion of scum in the townblock is Nero

I'm not exactly the only person that's suspicious of Drixx though. And I honestly have no clue why you think this is good town play coming from him. I mean, its plenty possible that he's not scum but he's prob the the first slot I'd look at after we flip the group of lurksacks and useless.

It’s not, only that UFO determined that he didn’t use a power that night, so it’s of course still conceivable that he could have had one and holstered it but unless he had reason to anticipate UFO checking him, why wouldn’t he have used a power if he had one? or he could have also have conceivably forgotten to submit an action but the point is, this finding isn’t indicative of Gamma being the hidden scum.

Fwiw, I’ve come close on given up trying to understand either Math or Drixxspeak. My brain hurts a lot less that way.

[Nancy Drew 39]

or you know...Gamma doesn't have a power.

Yes, that’s what it’s currently looking like, is my point. So, therefore he shouldn’t be in the getting bombed category based on that.

[Nancy Drew 39]

like sure, Gamma didn't use a power so we know he was not given one or didn't use one and you're right, that's not evidence of him being scum but its also not evidence of him being town. Check is null to me.

Agree and if UFO confirms someone tonight outside of the townblock of having a power -

someone whom Titus didn’t claim to pick for a Superhero

- we know that, they’re almost certainly confiscum.

[Nancy Drew 39]

and I disagree. Just b/c he's not the "hidden scum" doesn't mean we should not be NOT flipping him. Unless you think he's like totally town which I'd like to hear why.

That’s a fair point, there could be more than one hidden scum but only one who got a power instead of Ank. So, being confirmed as not having used a power on the night UFO checks them doesn’t clear anyone of not being scum, only does not implicate them of using a hidden power on that particular night.

[Nancy Drew 39]

In post 9402, Sando wrote:
Personally if it were confirmed Titus didn't give Ank powers I'd be looking pretty damn hard at Drixx right now. I don't see Shiro kill as a protection of "hidden" but protection of Drixx, it makes a lot more sense logically.

Why does this point to Drixx?

Because Drixx was #6 who "didn't" get powers.

Missed this earlier. But there was no reason for Titus to hide Drixx pick, so it points to someone whom town would have likely scumread her for picking.

Who was being widely scumread on D2?

I think that’s whom we should be looking at re: Titus’ Ank substitute.

[Nancy Drew 39]

and I disagree. Just b/c he's not the "hidden scum" doesn't mean we should not be NOT flipping him. Unless you think he's like totally town which I'd like to hear why.

That’s a fair point, there could be more than one hidden scum but only one who got a power instead of Ank. So, being confirmed as not having used a power on the night UFO checks them doesn’t clear anyone of not being scum, only does not implicate them of using a hidden power on that particular night.

it doesn't, yeah. I actually have an extremely weak power.

I feel uneasy with drixx btw. I think the worst said they were scummy, and while I don't exactly feel the same way, I also don't feel he was ever really towny and I'm not sure I believe he honestly believes killing our entire POE is a bad thing. that suicide bombing will absolutely trash mafia, because even if they're all outside of the POE, we're gonna nuke all of their possible mislynches while not giving mafia any night kills. IDK exactly how the bombing works but it can NEVER be a bad thing, unless we give the ability to mafia.

I volunteer to do it too btw. if people are scared of giving it to POE'd down players and they end up nuking half the town, just give it to me cause you know I'm town, right? RIGHT?

THIS in a nutshell was why I started thinking Titus had lied about Ank pick. I was heavily pushing Shiro for leader but knew he had to 100% nix Titus superhero pick. Titus, failing to fall on her sword for potential leader Shiro and the ultimate good of town, made me really suspicious of how weirdly self-pres Titus was acting.

I honestly don’t see scum making this kind of gambit, when there not in any danger of being lynched. Scum would never sacrifice themselves for town if they didn’t need to, so I feel pretty confident that my earliest read on you was the correct one. Sorry for doubting you before.

[Nancy Drew 39]

TBFH I'm just worry we're going to no lynch because math TvTs me because I vote mylo and you TvT me for voting muffin and I'm sitting here having no good read on either.

It's a really annoying position to be in because I really, really just want to lynch titus.

Also- I'm voting for FA tonight.

Oh, Math TvTing again lol

am I the only one who strong scumreads this post?

Very likely and he is somehow not detonated/petrified tonight - extremely unlikely IMO - we 100% powerlynch him tomorrow.

[Nancy Drew 39]

random thought I had: we have two flipped town players who voted for titus on n1 (bbmolla and cerberus). that's evidence pointing towards no actual coordination from the wolves to make titus leader, because we now know the wolves did not need to coordinate votes on titus to make her leader. I'll also note that titus mainly only used her leadership to try and slide into the towncore, and the way she spoke about being elected by town points to knowing she had to be voted by town in order to be leader. do we remember who casted the 3rd vote on her? that might actually be a 3rd town player doing so.

I'm starting my ISOs with hebichan cause it's a name that's been thrown around a lot and I never had any grasp of how he was playing... which is interesting cause it means nothing hebi wrote in real time was impactful enough for me to lean either way. considering we're day 5 already, that's kind of an alarming sign.

I will renominate kokichi for leader tomorrow.

Other than that, I don't really need any power, but it would be nice to have one since I am town and I know my own alignment.

I think hebi started really awkward in his first 4 posts. he talks about voting kokichi as leader, or about kokichi in every single one of them. the one I quoted has bad phrasing throughout: saying he'll renominate the same player next day when d1 just started points to a disinterest in solving people's alignments and casting leader votes on likely town. the whole thing about asking for powers while saying he doesn't need them is very awkward phrased. there's this insistence in talking about the mechanical aspect of the game early on that I dislike. I don't think town fixates on that aspect of the game, and you'll remember the other person who was fixated in leader votes was scum!titus.

reading up the rest.

I could be wrong here but didn’t Chickadee (Nos’ predecessor) also say she wanted Titus to be leader on D1?

I remember this because hebi voted for me D2, confusing me with Chick.

[Nancy Drew 39]

I don't think that titus is scum, probably scum are trying to scapegoat her here.

I think Nancy could be scum for pushing a titus for president yesterday.


VOTE: Nico

I agree with this too though.

VOTE: Nancy

Eh tbh, I feel like this is more likely scum


People join with me.

Nancy, I just isod you and my memory is shot from stress, what question?

I missed deadline.

Ill find it when im pff work, cant find posts on this damn phone.

We can't lnch you and we can't unmake you town leader. so *double shrug*

now let me dig up that Nancy post.

I would be fine with Cerb or Titus as leaders tomorrow.

I'm an idiot.

It was chickadee....I had a feeling after Nancy asked that it wouldn't be...

ugh, My head has not been in the right space for playing this big a game.

UNVOTE:

VOTE: Chickadee

Pfft, I don't run from scum every scumgame I'm in. I even did well in one not that long ago.

But yes, I do prefer town to scum, especially in huge playerlists where I can barely get a foothold in the first few days as town.

I should probably join more mini themes, but I hate the mini theme queue.

VOTE: Nos/Chick slot

Yeah, but the opening post was hard to read so I thought chick subbed in for nos.

[Nancy Drew 39]

I would be fine with Cerb or Titus as leaders tomorrow.

[Nancy Drew 39]

should we claim who we voted for?
also thoughts on the fact D1 elected person probably has reasonably high scum equity?

like I talked myself out of it because surely that'd be too obvious but unless she got 2 votes and everyone else got 1 it's a question



ftr I voted Nancy Drew 39

Spoiler:

< 3

I was having a tough time deciding who to vote for. I eventually narrowed it down to Cerberus, you and Katsuki.

I ultimately decided on Cerb

, because he is the most Reasonably Rational player here.

[Nancy Drew 39]

I wouldnt advocate neither Nero nor Tora being the suicide bombers, if anything i'd think they should be in the townbloc. I only had my doubts of Tora coz he dissapeared, but it was justified according to FA and i like his content since he came back too.

I don’t see what possible scum motivation either could have by offering but perhps Tora could Petrify safely right and Nero too? There is no such thing as a suicide Petrification powers. Maybe have 3 obvtowns Petrify 3 players of our choosing and 3 not in the townblock, detonate the 3 most questionable players still left in the game?

However, we have all chosen superheroes tonight commit, to whom we choose to either Petrify or bomb. Anyone who doesn’t follow the script, is essentially scum-claiming

[Nancy Drew 39]

how are we multiplying the use of self detonation? it seems like it can only trigger on one player

also that's something we'd only use tomorrow right?

Player A gets bomb explodes on B
Player C gets bomb explodes on D
Player E gets bomb explodes on F

Powers chosen tonight can be used tonight

So this is something we would use tonight.

So. like I said, 2 other superhero picks in addition to Sakura, Petrify on whomever is left, who is majority agreed on as questionable?

[Nancy Drew 39]

I wouldnt advocate neither Nero nor Tora being the suicide bombers, if anything i'd think they should be in the townbloc. I only had my doubts of Tora coz he dissapeared, but it was justified according to FA and i like his content since he came back too.

I don’t see what possible scum motivation either could have by offering but perhps Tora could Petrify safely right and Nero too? There is no such thing as a suicide Petrification powers. Maybe have 3 obvtowns Petrify 3 players of our choosing and 3 not in the townblock, detonate the 3 most questionable players still left in the game?

However, we have all chosen superheroes tonight commit, to whom we choose to either Petrify or bomb. Anyone who doesn’t follow the script, is essentially scum-claiming

Petrifying is a really bad action to perform since the target won't flip. We need the information to solve the game

I just thought only if we send in any obvtowns, we wouldn’t want them to self-detonate.

[Nancy Drew 39]

Petrification should not even be discussed we should not use that unless if only one scum is left or something and if we're sure we can heal people cause then it will be like a cop check/auto winner

I picked HT, I only used it once so far on Shiro. I think you picked that too iirc?

[Nancy Drew 39]

I wouldnt advocate neither Nero nor Tora being the suicide bombers, if anything i'd think they should be in the townbloc. I only had my doubts of Tora coz he dissapeared, but it was justified according to FA and i like his content since he came back too.

I don’t see what possible scum motivation either could have by offering but perhps Tora could Petrify safely right and Nero too? There is no such thing as a suicide Petrification powers. Maybe have 3 obvtowns Petrify 3 players of our choosing and 3 not in the townblock, detonate the 3 most questionable players still left in the game?

However, we have all chosen superheroes tonight commit, to whom we choose to either Petrify or bomb. Anyone who doesn’t follow the script, is essentially scum-claiming

Petrifying is a really bad action to perform since the target won't flip. We need the information to solve the game

I just thought only if we send in any obvtowns, we wouldn’t want them to self-detonate.

Then don't force obvtowns to kill people.

I was addressing UFO offering to detonate and agreeing with Sakura that he shouldn’t. I thought this could be some type of compromise because unlike bombing, Petrifying wouldn’t petrify the petrifyer. I wasn’t suggesting obvtowns be forced to petrify, only that anyone whom was decided by majority consensus to choose either one. would have to abide by the majority’s decision on whom to target.

[Nancy Drew 39]

i will literally NEVER be in favor of a janitored vig, it's fine if scum uses it for THEM, coz they already know who's town and scum, but from a town PoV it just kills someone and then we never know if we hit town or scum and dont know how many of each remaining, as such, Any petrification use DOESNT MATTER WHO uses it im going to assume scum used it, so if you're town and somehow have it DO NOT use it.

I don’t have it. Afaik, only Math has claimed it. I would not choose it either unless town thought it was a good idea. But you’re right, it’s probably a much better idea for obvtowns to pick goo.

[Nancy Drew 39]

UFO should not detonate himself wtf

I guess he offered because he could be trusted but it’s a bad idea for anyone in the townblock to place themselves at risk.

[Nancy Drew 39]

ok math you veto me I veto you, deal?

wrt the power thing: sure. if I'm elected to receive a power, I'm 100% getting the sui bomb and letting other slots be resolved before setting myself off, unless people want me as leader instead. 1 for 1 is a pretty fantastic deal and everyone should just take it.

“Everyone”? How does obvtown dying not help scum wincon? I don’t think you’ve fully thought this through.

[Nancy Drew 39]

the suboptimal use of my power has so far given the best reason anyone has for townreading drixx btw

I could have targeted shiro and be talking with the dead now, and I did forget to send it in n2, but none of that makes my play "so suboptimally it's actually scummy". I think my actions have been fine. I targeted FA, drixx and gamma, and all of those results have given us something to help solve the game. using that as the basis to scumread me is pretty awful but alas, you do you mate.

I trust Math on intent, way more then on reads.

[Nancy Drew 39]

ok math you veto me I veto you, deal?

wrt the power thing: sure. if I'm elected to receive a power, I'm 100% getting the sui bomb and letting other slots be resolved before setting myself off, unless people want me as leader instead. 1 for 1 is a pretty fantastic deal and everyone should just take it.

the suboptimal use of my power has so far given the best reason anyone has for townreading drixx btw

I could have targeted shiro and be talking with the dead now, and I did forget to send it in n2, but none of that makes my play "so suboptimally it's actually scummy". I think my actions have been fine. I targeted FA, drixx and gamma, and all of those results have given us something to help solve the game. using that as the basis to scumread me is pretty awful but alas, you do you mate.

I do not veto.

I think it solves the horrible uses of powers perfectly if you are one of the bombers.
Your second paragraph sketches me out to be frank. Like “look at this I am ‘helping’” it just feels wrong.

However if town thinks you’re better as leader that is the majority decision and I will respect that. I would just like to be voting the other person nominated. I just don’t think you are a good choice.

Tor offering to blow himself up is obviously a horrible decision but “sketchy”? How? I really don’t see that at all.

[Nancy Drew 39]

I have some tables I must sort tonight so I can't iso everyone should be able to do one and sure will do hebichan's first

Anyone in particular, you think I should ISO?

[Nancy Drew 39]

Like 2 bombs seems a little bit slower and safer imo

So 3 obvtowns pick goo including Sakura and 2 questionable players bomb 2 evenmore questionable players?

[Nancy Drew 39]

I'm not sure if I want 3 bombs to explode tomorrow. like thats too many sudden death without time to re-evaluate after flips.

First it would be tonight not tomorrow, as explained before scum can just kill the one with the bomb that is not them.

Second there is no more risk with 3 than 2.

The math works out as we win even if we give all three bombs to scum. There is no reason not to give out all three bombs.

If we choose scum they won't get the bombs they will get petrification and will kill people later when they can win this without exploding themselves obv. It's a really risky thing to trust that

Also the bombs were not exploding during day? if not the scum might try to frame the bombers using roleblock or something? last night roleblock was offered and there is also a possible power negation in game. who were last night list again?

@Frozen Angel even if all three scum are chosen for bombs and all three choose petrify we still win. All the scum would be confirmed and the last day is a two or three town versus last scum. If even all the scum choose petrify is literally a non factor. I don’t have the exact numbers but I posted them somewhere earlier.

In regards to roleblocks— It is extremely unlikely they had power negate or they could have easily used it in a myriad of ways like blocking Tor or disrupting some prior plans. We have already determined multiple times this is not the case Even if they do and they block one of the bombs going off then there are still two others to mitigate. Scum having two or three power negates would be insane. That scum roleblocker would have to solo an impenetrable townblock. They could say you did the block incorrectly but there is no way said person isn’t properly lynched by someone in the town block.

Then what are you suggesting?

Titus chose no one else but ank night 2 or that scum didn't choose power negation?

Makes no sense.

I think they decided to not use it to get a false clear from ufo

- potentially when they were hitting out of power roles or that they used it on shiro/ank the nights they killed them cause that would secure such kills

The hidden scum could have picked it but didn’t UFO only claim Power Mimicry on D4?

[Nancy Drew 39]

Toranaga who did you power mimic night 2/night 3?

hi

no one on n2 cause I'm stupid

and drixx n3 cause I'm stupid

[Nancy Drew 39]

ok math you veto me I veto you, deal?

wrt the power thing: sure. if I'm elected to receive a power, I'm 100% getting the sui bomb and letting other slots be resolved before setting myself off, unless people want me as leader instead. 1 for 1 is a pretty fantastic deal and everyone should just take it.

the suboptimal use of my power has so far given the best reason anyone has for townreading drixx btw

I could have targeted shiro and be talking with the dead now, and I did forget to send it in n2, but none of that makes my play "so suboptimally it's actually scummy". I think my actions have been fine. I targeted FA, drixx and gamma, and all of those results have given us something to help solve the game. using that as the basis to scumread me is pretty awful but alas, you do you mate.

I do not veto.

I think it solves the horrible uses of powers perfectly if you are one of the bombers.
Your second paragraph sketches me out to be frank. Like “look at this I am ‘helping’” it just feels wrong.

However if town thinks you’re better as leader that is the majority decision and I will respect that. I would just like to be voting the other person nominated. I just don’t think you are a good choice.

Tor offering to blow himself up is obviously a horrible decision but “sketchy”? How? I really don’t see that at all.

The blow himself up part is not the “sketchy” party

It’s the “I am helping” LAMIST that is sketchy.

Are you suggesting that this was some sort of gambit and that he wasn’t actually serious?

[Nancy Drew 39]

which has already been established multiple times it can’t

Why it can't happen?!

how did you establish this?!

It's litteraly near certain that a scum with power negation is in the game with titus flip.

No. It’s very likely scum have a power.

It’s unlikely that is power negate due to the townblock not dying and due to Tor getting his check off supposedly. They would have to have holstered three nights in a row for negate. The odds of that are small to infinestimal as noted by others

Makes no sense. why would scum (who had also titus) choose another power over power negate night 2? like how can you assume that? It's WAY more likely that they used power negate with shiro ank kill and holestered last night or used it on stungun to make sure he dies and nothing itefers.

Because Titus is an arrogant scum player who would likely think negate is inherently scummy.

Like this is completely irrational paranoia. It does not make sense.

ocaam razor says there is a power negation in game cause titus was scum. And yes the ability is scummy hence why she hide who got that power. If she wnated them to have a towny power she wouldn't choose a hidden scum for the ability.

You can say she didn't give any power to a scum instead of ank then with that logic but yours is built on moon.

Agree, however Power Negation was not the only scummy power available that night, there were 3, 2 of which I actually understand and the 3rd which somehow involves KP. In any case, Titus wouldn’t hide, either a widely townread pick nor a scummy ability, so it’s quite likely the hidden scum chose one of the 3.

[Nancy Drew 39]

I have some tables I must sort tonight so I can't iso everyone should be able to do one and sure will do hebichan's first

Anyone in particular, you think I should ISO?

oh crap I must go and work on my tables

idk really hebi looked scummy in first glance

Didn’t UFO already ISO her?

[Nancy Drew 39]

Like 2 bombs seems a little bit slower and safer imo

So 3 obvtowns pick goo including Sakura and 2 questionable players bomb 2 evenmore questionable players?

it's me + 5 teammates, so it'd be 3 including me and 3 bombs (or 4 including me and 2 bombs if we go with FA's slower sugestion)

Oh right. lol

[Nancy Drew 39]

which has already been established multiple times it can’t

Why it can't happen?!

how did you establish this?!

It's litteraly near certain that a scum with power negation is in the game with titus flip.

No. It’s very likely scum have a power.

It’s unlikely that is power negate due to the townblock not dying and due to Tor getting his check off supposedly. They would have to have holstered three nights in a row for negate. The odds of that are small to infinestimal as noted by others

Makes no sense. why would scum (who had also titus) choose another power over power negate night 2? like how can you assume that? It's WAY more likely that they used power negate with shiro ank kill and holestered last night or used it on stungun to make sure he dies and nothing itefers.

Because Titus is an arrogant scum player who would likely think negate is inherently scummy.

Like this is completely irrational paranoia. It does not make sense.

ocaam razor says there is a power negation in game cause titus was scum. And yes the ability is scummy hence why she hide who got that power. If she wnated them to have a towny power she wouldn't choose a hidden scum for the ability.

You can say she didn't give any power to a scum instead of ank then with that logic but yours is built on moon.

Occam’s Razor says they don’t have it since they killed stun over the townblock.
It says Titus gave power to a scum but not who and not what.
And yes she would. She absolutely would and I have a feeling what.

Occam’s Razor says they have it since titus was leader that night and she wouldn't give the chance to ank to choose a bp in the night she was killing her.
But yeah I need to check night 2 powers again.
Occam’s Razor says they didn't want townblock killed and they shot stungun.

Right because Occam’s Razor says it makes absolutely no sense for Titus to have given Ank a power, if she planned on killing her.

Why wouldn’t scum want to kil inside the townblock and I was heavily townleaning Stun, so wouldn’t he also be considered part of the townblock?

[Nancy Drew 39]

I have a hunch that Titus forced a precog believing she would live until Day Three.

This makes sense with some of the reactions from the lynchpool as powers have come up.
I am not a threat as they would have already had it so exposing it to the town when they already know what is coming is just making me waste a power. Then they can try to manipulate my reads versus that.

I don’t think they expected the worst’s suggestion though which makes me no longer the best kill but instead obvTowns in the lynchpool which explains the stun kill last night.

My hunch is scum have precog not power negate. So Titus could try to be one step ahead.

But when scum lost their mastermind they were fucked.

Oh there were 6 powers? I forgot about precognition. But if Titus didn’t think she’d get mislynched, then why would she have her hidden scumpal take Precog? I’m thinking while Weather is a possibility, the absence of only 1 kill per night, makes that less likely but I suppose they could be holstering it. What I’m thinking is maybe they picked duplication and never used it and are waiting to surprise town with it at LYLO.

[Nancy Drew 39]

It also explains her flailing so fucking hard

She wanted the info to manipulate us like pawns.

However scum lack a mastermind and a power negate more than likely due to her arrogance.

You really think scum is failing too because it doesn’t look like it to me?

[Nancy Drew 39]

If anyone had the negate it was Titus and a buddy probably had it in the background and gave her the answer so she would look townie. Because town Titus takes powers to “break” games.

Oh so you’re saying Titus had negate and her buddy fed her precog?

I dunno. But why was Shiro killed then - other then probably not using his bp? Why would scum kill Shiro to hide Ank not getting a power? Sorry but this really doesn’t making any freaking sense.

[Nancy Drew 39]

btw how do we know titus had precog? someone used mimickry on her, right?

No one has claimed it other than you.

[Nancy Drew 39]

btw how do we know titus had precog? someone used mimickry on her, right?

I just saw she actually claimed it

mathblade also took precog? when did that happen?

N2, I believe.

[Nancy Drew 39]

I'm not sure if I want 3 bombs to explode tomorrow. like thats too many sudden death without time to re-evaluate after flips.

First it would be tonight not tomorrow, as explained before scum can just kill the one with the bomb that is not them.

Second there is no more risk with 3 than 2.

The math works out as we win even if we give all three bombs to scum. There is no reason not to give out all three bombs.

If we choose scum they won't get the bombs they will get petrification and will kill people later when they can win this without exploding themselves obv. It's a really risky thing to trust that

Also the bombs were not exploding during day? if not the scum might try to frame the bombers using roleblock or something? last night roleblock was offered and there is also a possible power negation in game. who were last night list again?

@Frozen Angel even if all three scum are chosen for bombs and all three choose petrify we still win. All the scum would be confirmed and the last day is a two or three town versus last scum. If even all the scum choose petrify is literally a non factor. I don’t have the exact numbers but I posted them somewhere earlier.

In regards to roleblocks— It is extremely unlikely they had power negate or they could have easily used it in a myriad of ways like blocking Tor or disrupting some prior plans. We have already determined multiple times this is not the case Even if they do and they block one of the bombs going off then there are still two others to mitigate. Scum having two or three power negates would be insane. That scum roleblocker would have to solo an impenetrable townblock. They could say you did the block incorrectly but there is no way said person isn’t properly lynched by someone in the town block.

Then what are you suggesting?

Titus chose no one else but ank night 2 or that scum didn't choose power negation?

Makes no sense.

I think they decided to not use it to get a false clear from ufo

- potentially when they were hitting out of power roles or that they used it on shiro/ank the nights they killed them cause that would secure such kills

The hidden scum could have picked it but didn’t UFO only claim Power Mimicry on D4?

I was talking about last night that they killed stun who didn't need power negate over everyone else in townblock

Couldn’t he have picked bp? That’s been available every night, right?

[Nancy Drew 39]

btw how do we know titus had precog? someone used mimickry on her, right?

No.

The only reason we think she did is she said the powers first.

She likely used me to confirm she took precog but had a hidden buddy whisper the powers in a scum PT and then knowing me knew I would take it and then had me “confirm” she did while she actually had negate

The floundering of Titus meant that she couldn’t go down as she had negate
Her pointing out Creature was a vanilla scum to buy her time and one of the other two buddies had precog.

Pedit @Tor the night it was available

Then why Shiro kill? Ank claims she didn’t get a power and Scum kills Shiro to hide a power that can only be tracked in the case of Mimicry, which scum didn’t even know anyone even had until D4? Then why did Stun die over UFO because Mimicry is the only way to track Precognition.

[Nancy Drew 39]

FA

Me

Ank Nancy Drixx

Math

Shiro

Quoting for reference
Bolding the confirmed + Titus herself coz she cant unchoose herself.

Drixx is the one person off list I left out. Mod said too many to give him one. He was considered the scummiest and there was no hood.

Still catching up.

I took Precognition since

that power role can be tracked

and no one trusted me. Sending in my PM to use it.

quoting this for myself

Only by Mimicry. A tracker can only track visits to other players. Precognition doesn’t involve that.

[Nancy Drew 39]

so

I believe titus picked precog because she'd otherwise risk outing herself if anyone decided to use mimickry on her.

I believe drixx is always town and was not secretly chosen by titus on n2 because drixx would either use his n2 power (like power negate for instance), or pick something that can be remotely useful as scum instead of impenetrable skin.

wrt ank, if she did get a power and was still killed that night, and titus tried to play the long run, that might mean one of two things: either all the other wolves are highly POE'd down and titus was the only one who could go deep, meaning she'd sacrifice her team, give them nothing, townside the whole game and hopefully snatch a win; or her original list actually has scum in it and there's scum deeply infiltrated in towncore. I'm leaning towards the former because there's no sign that scum actually used any night powers other than the kill, and they seem to be happy keeping me alive with mimickry.

I think Titus picked it but not because Mimicry but because Math’s theory makes no freaking sense.

[Nancy Drew 39]

killing toogeloo probably just means scum doesn't have ways to counter bulletproof because they're not getting any powers

Don’t you mean Stun?

[Nancy Drew 39]

If anyone had the negate it was Titus and a buddy probably had it in the background and gave her the answer so she would look townie. Because town Titus takes powers to “break” games.

Oh so you’re saying Titus had negate and her buddy fed her precog?

I dunno. But why was Shiro killed then - other then probably not using his bp? Why would scum kill Shiro to hide Ank not getting a power? Sorry but this really doesn’t making any freaking sense.

There is your answer right there.

If Titus was scum and did the thing we think she did, Ank is a guilty on her and cannot be allowed to speak. Hence Ank death.

Then scum kill Shiro either of Tor’s worlds gets killed because he can talk to the dead and the dead whichever of Tor’s worlds it is breaks it wide open.

???

[Nancy Drew 39]

I outed mimickry on d2 fwiw

Can you quote the post, because I had no idea you had it until D4?

[Nancy Drew 39]

btw how do we know titus had precog? someone used mimickry on her, right?

No.

The only reason we think she did is she said the powers first.

She likely used me to confirm she took precog but had a hidden buddy whisper the powers in a scum PT and then knowing me knew I would take it and then had me “confirm” she did while she actually had negate

The floundering of Titus meant that she couldn’t go down as she had negate
Her pointing out Creature was a vanilla scum to buy her time and one of the other two buddies had precog.

Pedit @Tor the night it was available

Then why Shiro kill? Ank claims she didn’t get a power and Scum kills Shiro to hide a power that can only be tracked in the case of Mimicry, which scum didn’t even know anyone even had until D4? Then why did Stun die over UFO because Mimicry is the only way to track Precognition.

Shiro kill would have been power based only and wine The dead talking whether Ank or a later kill would likely have significant impact as time went on. Shiro was likely the kill and should have taken/used BP that night to live.

Well like duh, lol. Of course he should have used his bp. As far as the rest of what you posted, I think I need a Math translator.

[Nancy Drew 39]

Look at night 1 powers. If I was scum I would choose medium and do exactly what shiro did for free credit. or maybe I would go with phasing again but it would be worthless unless if people were considering to kill me. the free towncred looks more beneficial

I'll let you in on a secret, FA

on n1, I chose mimicry and used on you. I got the same results cerb got: you didn't do any action.

IDK what action I'd use as scum but what shiro is doing is very helpful to town even if shiro is scum, which I no longer believe in and am surprised you are still so suspicious of her. don't you find shiro's overrall behaviour in the thread towny? even the fact that she is shading you looks objectively towny to me...

d3

But Ank kill happened N2, so extremely likely Titus was gambiting on Shiro visiting Ank claim.

[Nancy Drew 39]

Look at night 1 powers. If I was scum I would choose medium and do exactly what shiro did for free credit. or maybe I would go with phasing again but it would be worthless unless if people were considering to kill me. the free towncred looks more beneficial

I'll let you in on a secret, FA

on n1, I chose mimicry and used on you. I got the same results cerb got: you didn't do any action.

IDK what action I'd use as scum but what shiro is doing is very helpful to town even if shiro is scum, which I no longer believe in and am surprised you are still so suspicious of her. don't you find shiro's overrall behaviour in the thread towny? even the fact that she is shading you looks objectively towny to me...

d3

So then mimicry wouldn’t have been input into Titus’s actions. Ergo the point stands she likely had negate and had to survive. And when she didn’t scum’s world fell apart and it became a battle of attrition. With scum always knowing what was coming up.

But this doesn’t explain Shiro kill - other than scum likely expected him not to use bp. I don’t believe for one second Titus told the truth about Ank getting a power and I think they would have killed UFO over Shiro then because Titus was already dead and wouldn’t UFO have been a much bigger threat than Shiro in that case? Because he’s the only one who could track Precognition. UFO would have certainly been targetted over Stun, I would think.

[Nancy Drew 39]

*Sigh*

Nancy what are your reads and how many bombs do you think is acceptable?

I hate those general kinds of questions. Ask me reads on

whom

, much much better and I’m kind of lost on this whole bomb theory. I only commented on the Petrification thing, because UFO offered hmself up as a detonator but my idea got shot down, so I’m sticking to what I can actually understand.

[Nancy Drew 39]

So then 3 bombs @Tor?

I'm still mulling this over. the most important thing is getting a scum flip today so I'm working on that first.

Yeah, thinking about this whole bomb thing is making my brain explode, which is why I haven’t commented on that very much. Lol

[Nancy Drew 39]

I thought we were lynching me. What happened? I dont wanna get to lylo and then you guys decide to lynch me

Lol. You actually

want

to be lynched?

[Nancy Drew 39]

But Ank kill happened N2, so extremely likely Titus was gambiting on Shiro visiting Ank claim.

shiro only outed the hood with cerberus on d3 afaict. that means scum didn't know who, if anyone, had precognition. however, for titus to have a different power and give precognition to a scum team mate, she would have to ignore both mimickry and the power to hood a dead player as ways to eventually out her, which is why I think this is unlikely to be the case.

Agree. I think the hidden scum picked a scummy power though. Could be PN, could be weather - less likely, could be duplication - quite likely. Hidden scum could just holster it until LYLO and fuck town over with the extra vote. This would never get mimicked until it was too late.

[Nancy Drew 39]

should we claim who we voted for?
also thoughts on the fact D1 elected person probably has reasonably high scum equity?

like I talked myself out of it because surely that'd be too obvious but unless she got 2 votes and everyone else got 1 it's a question



ftr I voted Nancy Drew 39

Spoiler:

< 3

I was having a tough time deciding who to vote for. I eventually narrowed it down to Cerberus, you and Katsuki.

I ultimately decided on Cerb

, because he is the most Reasonably Rational player here.

*wah wah*

???


Oh great, as if understanding Mathspeak wasn’t freaking hard enough.

[Nancy Drew 39]

Yeah and your comment made me pissed off.

Like the hell is wrong with you?

We're finding a plan that will kill 6 players instantly. If we fuck up even in slightest its a fucking gg

So yes ofcourse we will talk about it and it's possible flaws.

Agreed. We have to make sure that this plan is sound. And my head is spinning trying to make sense of it but I agree with FA. It’s always better to be safe then sorry.

[Nancy Drew 39]

Yeah and your comment made me pissed off.

Like the hell is wrong with you?

We're finding a plan that will kill 6 players instantly. If we fuck up even in slightest its a fucking gg

So yes ofcourse we will talk about it and it's possible flaws.

I have spent for fucking ever on this.

And then you say the “safer” plan is the one that for all intents actually isn’t.

Like I proposed this yesterday and there was no issues except Drixx. And he has yet to bring up an issue with it.

I am just so beyond pissed I can’t talk straight.

Sakura wanted this done in 24 hours and I feel like no one is actually fucking listening to what I am saying.

I can at least understand parts of what you say but I’m not exactly some statistics wiz but Drixx’s posts make my eyes glaze over for the most part. Like that recent post of mine he quoted. It was a response to UFO’s question about who I voted for leader on N0. I honestly don’t have any freaking clue what he actually thought it was about.

[Nancy Drew 39]

which nights had a killing ability available? can anyone list them with the people who could take those abilities (the super hero teams)?

2 had Weather but I still don’t have any clue how that one works and Night 3 had Petrification and N4 obviously has the bombs.

I don’t think 1 had any iirc?


Sh #1: FA,

Cerb, Ank, Shiro

, Tor, me.

N1 didn’t have any killing abilities iirc, did it?

Sh #2: FA,

Ank, Shiro, Titus

, Math, me.

Sh #3: FA,

Shiro

, Math, Drixx, Sakura, me.

Sh #4: FA,

Stungun

, Math, Drixx, Sakura, me.

[Nancy Drew 39]

@nancy, what power did you choose n1?

Siren’s Call but I think I misunderstood what it was. Anyway, I used it on Muffin, since I thought he’d be the NK.

[Nancy Drew 39]

Yeah and your comment made me pissed off.

Like the hell is wrong with you?

We're finding a plan that will kill 6 players instantly. If we fuck up even in slightest its a fucking gg

So yes ofcourse we will talk about it and it's possible flaws.

I have spent for fucking ever on this.

And then you say the “safer” plan is the one that for all intents actually isn’t.

Like I proposed this yesterday and there was no issues except Drixx. And he has yet to bring up an issue with it.

I am just so beyond pissed I can’t talk straight.

Sakura wanted this done in 24 hours and I feel like no one is actually fucking listening to what I am saying.

I can at least understand parts of what you say but I’m not exactly some statistics wiz but Drixx’s posts make my eyes glaze over for the most part. Like that recent post of mine he quoted. It was a response to UFO’s question about who I voted for leader on N0. I honestly don’t have any freaking clue what he actually thought it was about.

I was just tongue in cheek there Nancy. This game is supposed to be fun. I was just having a bit of fun evoking a bit of *sad face* for being viewed as the lesser head of RR. It's just banter and nothing more.

Oh okay. I thought the other head was Taly though?

[Nancy Drew 39]

@nancy you should really out what powers you have and what you did with them IMO

I just explained N1. I picked bp on N2. I wanted scum to think I might have EH, to confuse them. N3, already accounted for. N4, armed myself with SS and once again used bp. You would have known that had you checked me last night.

[Nancy Drew 39]

Corrected, thanks Nancy

D1/N1: Bulletproof, Siren, Enhanced Hearing, Medium, Phasing, Mimicry | Frozen Angel (Leader, Phasing),

Cerberus

(Mimicry),

Shiro

(Medium), Nancy, Toranaga (Mimicry),

Ankamius

Spoiler: D1 Descriptions

Enhanced Hearing:

Target another player. You will learn if any actions were performed on that player during the current Night Phase.

Impenetrable Skin:

You are protected from one killing action until the next Night Phase.

Phasing:

Target another player. Any actions that target you before the next Night Phase will target them instead.

Power Mimicry:

Target another player. You will gain one use of any Superpowers they use before the end of next Day Phase. These 1-Shot Superpowers will be available to you until the end of the next Night Phase and still count against your Superpower usage.

Siren's Call:

Target another player. That player's actions will be redirected to target you instead of their original target until the next Night Phase.

Spiritual Mediumship:

Target a player that has died within the previous Day or Night Phase. You will have a neighborhood with that player for the following Day and Night Phase.

D2/N2: Double Vote, Enhanced Hearing, Bulletproof, Power Negation, Precog, Weather Manipulation |

Titus

(Leader, Precog?), Mathblade (Precog),

Ankamius

, Nancy, Frozen Angel (Power Negate),

Shiro

Spoiler: D2 descriptions

Duplication:

Gain a second vote until the end of the next Day Phase. This second vote doesn't count for parity.

Enhanced Hearing:

Target another player. You will learn if any actions were performed on that player during the current Night Phase.

Impenetrable Skin:

You are protected from one killing action until the next Night Phase.

Power Negation:

Target another player. That player can neither use Superpowers nor be targeted by them until the next Night Phase.

**Precognition:

Learn the next set of Superpowers available for acquisition before they're revealed.

Weather Manipulation:

Target another player. If that player takes Flight, that player dies.

D3/N3: Healing, Bulletproof, Petrification, Power Echo, Power Negation, Shapeshifting | Frozen Angel (Leader, Healing), Sakura Hana (Bulletproof), Mathblade (Petrification), Nancy (Healing), Drixx (Bulletproof),

Shiro

Spoiler: D3 Descriptions

**Healing Touch

: Target another player. If that player has not been killed, any debilitating or harmful effects are removed.

Impenetrable Skin:

You are protected from one killing action until the next Night Phase.

Petrification:

Target another player. That player loses their ability to post, vote, and submit actions and no longer counts for parity.

Power Echo:

Target another player. Any targeting Superpowers this player uses this Night Phase will be used on another player of your choice in addition to their original target.

Power Negation:

Target another player. That player can neither use Superpowers nor be targeted by them until the next Night Phase.

*Shapeshifting:

Target another player. Any actions you take this Night Phase will appear as though that player performed them instead.

D4/N4: Doctor, Roleblock, Bulletproof, Power Echo, Siren's Call, SS | Mathblade (Leader), Sakura Hana (SS), Frozen Angel (SS?), Drixx (Doctor), Nancy,

Stungun

Spoiler: D4 Descriptions

Force Field Generation:

Target another player. That player is protected from one killing action until the next Night Phase.

Freezing:

Target another player. That player cannot use any abilities until the next Night Phase.

Impenetrable Skin:

You are protected from one killing action until the next Night Phase.

Power Echo:

Target another player. Any targeting Superpowers this player uses this Night Phase will be used on another player of your choice in addition to their original target.

Siren's Call:

Target another player. That player's action(s) will be redirected to target you instead of their original target(s) until the next Night Phase.

*Super Strength:

Any actions you take this Night Phase cannot be blocked or manipulated.

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D5/N5: Self-Watcher, Petrification, Power Absorb, Power Echo, Suicide Bomb, Tracker | Sakura Hana (Leader), Nero, Frozen Angel, Bomber 1, Bomber 2, Bomber 3.

Spoiler: D5 Descriptions

Goo Generation:

Until the next Night Phase, anyone that successfully targets you will be covered in goo of a single color of your choice.

Petrification:

Target another player. That player loses their ability to post, vote, and submit actions and no longer counts for parity.

Power Absorption:

You acquire any Superpowers that successfully target you.

Power Echo:

Target another player. Any targeting Superpowers this player uses this Night Phase will be used on another player of your choice in addition to their original target.

**Self-Detonation:

Target another player. Both you and that player will die.

Superhuman Tracking:

Target another player. You will know who that player targets this Night Phase.

*: Does not count against your super power count
**: Can be used during the day but also counts towards your power count that night.

You’re welcome. Really helpful list.

[Nancy Drew 39]

I think its more important to ask ourselves about the read on who we are giving the bombs.

+1

[Nancy Drew 39]

Skipped 14 pages again what's up

You keep your sanity.

[Nancy Drew 39]

Reasonably Rational is cerby and drixx, maybe most famous hydra currently playing

Taly would make a very chaotic hydra buddy for either cerb or drixx

Oh, I guess I missed a lot playing that game. Sorry Drixx.

[Nancy Drew 39]

Reasonably Rational is cerby and drixx, maybe most famous hydra currently playing

Taly would make a very chaotic hydra buddy for either cerb or drixx

Oh, I guess I missed a lot playing that game. Sorry Drixx.

P.edt. Oh wait, Taly is hydra buddies with Varsoon, right? I guess I got them mixed up, maybe they it’s because both Cerb and Taly are very pro-name signing. Lol.

[Nancy Drew 39]

@math I beg you please do not report it or make a big deal out of this. I might get banned again from ms. for the love of god, I didn't mean that as a life threat, it was just poor choice of wording and pure sarcasm. It was wrong but come on. ANd if you did can you please take it back or something

I'm sweating right now. please

Oh god. fuck what have I done. /o\

FA, I would strongly advise you say this to a mod. Being pro-active is always best, I think.

[Nancy Drew 39]

I don't even know why I said something like that. I never say something like that ever. I never said anything even sarcastically like that out of ms in my life.

That is something I did on ms before guess last night triggered something in me from my habbits on ms

@Nancy I'm not sure who should I even contact to or if I'm really reported or I'm making a big deal from this but if I am reported it's probably done forever and there is no turning back because of their warning before to me when they unbanned me.

I'm really really stupid. like really really really stupid. I was not even remotely trying to offend anyone. It was just something i didn't even notice I'm posting post midnight

Talk to ANY mod. Explain everything to them, what you’ve posted here. The mod will clearly see how remorseful you are and take that into account. I honestly don’t think it matters all that much

which

mod you talk to, so long as you do it asap. You have nothing to lose and the sooner you do this, the better the likely oucome.

[Nancy Drew 39]

FA, please please take my advice and also contact any mod. Between your PM and Math’s, things should hopefully be cleared up but both of you need to do this, you too FA. I’m almost certain that will yeild the best results.

[Nancy Drew 39]

Like i'm thinking if we cant really get a consensual decission because we keep arguing about the pros and cons and everyone just keeps saying the same thing then we arent going to progress. Most of the people in the apocalypse squad seem to be okay with it, Tora and Drixx dont, and Math, Nero and FA seem to be pro plan.

Kokichi has sorta dissapeared and has stated that not getting a power makes him not want to do anything, which is really childish if he's actually town.

I think its more important to ask ourselves about the read on who we are giving the bombs

.

+1

Just saying, I’m also okay going along with the majority but I do think if we’re going to give players bombs, we should carefully assess whom we’re giving them too, which is why I reposted Nero’s quote, because giving the bombs to the wrong payers would be a disaster for town but if we can carefully decide which players would be the most trustworthy with the bombs, it could possibly make all the difference but it cannot be random. It absolutely has to be a very careful decision - one too critical to the gamestate to be arbitrarily rushed.

[Nancy Drew 39]

I can't just move on

why can't you understand.

I'm getting perma banned for something that was not even what should it look like.

Please try to reread how we reached the point I said that last night and try to see the sarcasm and exageration in that post. Please math. I NEVER SWEAR on my parents. I litteraly never does that.

As I never post sarcastic comments about killing others ever NOwhere

Like its mafia game. It's a game. I know that. I don't want to be perma banned like a looser 2 month after getting unbanned and making promises. I didn't mean to offend you and I didn't try to. I appoloigize that you got offended but please

I don’t know why you’re pleading to me.

I PM’d the mods asking to unreport. There is literally nothing else I can do that I know of.

Please PM the mods and get back to playing.

+1

[Nancy Drew 39]

Just saying, I’m also okay going along with the majority but I do think if we’re going to give players bombs, we should carefully assess whom we’re giving them too, which is why I reposted Nero’s quote, because giving the bombs to the wrong payers would be a disaster for town but if we can carefully decide which players would be the most trustworthy with the bombs, it could possibly make all the difference but it cannot be random. It absolutely has to be a very careful decision - one too critical to the gamestate to be arbitrarily rushed.

I mean.
I do not trust myself to be handled with the responsibility of giving the bombs to exactly 3 townies in the lynchpool (specially if half of it is town), if giving power to 1 scum can screw everything up i'd prefer to operate on the safe side.

No, I wasn’t suggesting that it would be all on you, it should be something town should vote on, like the leaders.

[Nancy Drew 39]

Nancy beat me to it but lets all talk about our reads on Worst, Nost, Theta and Kolchi. I feel like those are the 4 "towniest" in the POE pool.

Well, it was the worst who originally came up with the idea iirc, so I really can’t see the scum motivation for wanting to be bombed. Theta had I believe, Muffin slot and I read that as townie.

[Nancy Drew 39]

@Sando:

Please stay out of this.

I'm not getting involved in "this", I'm saying that you need to tone down your responses to people who disagree with your plans. I was called paranoid, by you, earlier for suggesting that Titus was being fed precog info, and now you're presenting it as if it's the most obvious thing in the world. FA has called me crazy paranoid for discussing the idea that she let Cerb die without powers N1, and then it's now just accepted that Titus did that N2.

People have legit disagreements about mechanics here, it's pretty complex, you've been presenting the people who've disagreed with you as dumbies when (at least some of them) they're not.

oh math really called you paranoid for it? that's interesting because if someone was feeding titus precog info, there's an extremely good chance it was mathblade.

the 180 on the stance is really telling on math's alignment.

I don’t think,Titus was being fed anything. If she had negate herself or any of the 2 other scummy powers available that night, then it really doesn’t make a lot of sense for scum to kill Shiro. I suppose you could always argue that scum had good reason to think he wouldn’t use his bp but I think, scum didn’t want Ank to tell Shiro she never got a power and while this scenario can make sense with any 3 of the scummier powers available that night, it really doesn’t make a helluva lot of sense with precog.

[Nancy Drew 39]

how can scum even get power echo if Hana gives out the powers?

Okay lol, you don’t quite understand how this works. Sakura can’t give out powers, all she can do is choose superheroes and then they, the superheroes pick the powers. However, we can plan in out in advance, who gets what powers when it comes to the bombing thing and they have to abide by it or get lynched basically.

I might not really be explaining this really well.

[Nancy Drew 39]

@Sando:

Please stay out of this.

I'm not getting involved in "this", I'm saying that you need to tone down your responses to people who disagree with your plans. I was called paranoid, by you, earlier for suggesting that Titus was being fed precog info, and now you're presenting it as if it's the most obvious thing in the world. FA has called me crazy paranoid for discussing the idea that she let Cerb die without powers N1, and then it's now just accepted that Titus did that N2.

People have legit disagreements about mechanics here, it's pretty complex, you've been presenting the people who've disagreed with you as dumbies when (at least some of them) they're not.

oh math really called you paranoid for it? that's interesting because if someone was feeding titus precog info, there's an extremely good chance it was mathblade.

the 180 on the stance is really telling on math's alignment.

I don’t think,Titus was being fed anything. If she had negate herself or any of the 2 other scummy powers available that night, then it really doesn’t make a lot of sense for scum to kill Shiro. I suppose you could always argue that scum had good reason to think he wouldn’t use his bp but I think, scum didn’t want Ank to tell Shiro she never got a power and while this scenario can make sense with any 3 of the scummier powers available that night, it really doesn’t make a helluva lot of sense with precog.

if scum has someone infiltrated in towncore

you know, someone like mathblade

then killing shiro is essential because when mathblade becomes captain, they can e.g. pretend they picked the NK and give another scum powers. like he did with stungun.

just an example.

and is titus died by lynch with power negate then they will of course kill shiro cause shiro was unprotected.

But Stun had him in his hardtown core, so what would be the motivation for Math to kill him? But if Titus died with negate, then what would scum have to fear from a Shiro Ank visit?

[Nancy Drew 39]

poe pool

Creature
Gamma Emerald
hebichan
Kokichi Oma
Theta Alpine
Nosferatu
the worst

town pool

Frozen Angel
Nancy Drew 39
Nero Cain
Sakura Hana
Sando
Toranaga

math and drixx pool

Drixx
MathBlade

Like, if these are our pools and we went for the long drawn out version of lynching from POE 1 by 1 then scum is just going to shoot from the town pool. I'm not seeing how a long drawn out conflict helps us. Isn't that how we lost Vietnam?

What category is the Math and Drixx pool?

[Nancy Drew 39]

poe pool

Creature
Gamma Emerald
hebichan
Kokichi Oma

Theta Alpine

Nosferatu

the worst

town pool

Frozen Angel
Nancy Drew 39
Nero Cain
Sakura Hana
Sando
Toranaga

math and drixx pool

Drixx
MathBlade

Like, if these are our pools and we went for the long drawn out version of lynching from POE 1 by 1 then scum is just going to shoot from the town pool. I'm not seeing how a long drawn out conflict helps us. Isn't that how we lost Vietnam?

What category is the Math and Drixx pool?

P.edit. I agree with your reads for the most part. I’m still confused on what the bottom one signifies.

I would suggest that the worst, theta and one of Kokichi/Nos be given bombs and use it on the remaining 3? or maybe just tw and theta?

[Nancy Drew 39]

Ausuka replaces Frozen Angel.

Whoa, that was fast.

[Nancy Drew 39]

What category is the Math and Drixx pool?

its kinda like two people off in their own fantasy land. I think Drixx could totes be scum though.

[Nancy Drew 39]

@Sando:

Please stay out of this.

I'm not getting involved in "this", I'm saying that you need to tone down your responses to people who disagree with your plans. I was called paranoid, by you, earlier for suggesting that Titus was being fed precog info, and now you're presenting it as if it's the most obvious thing in the world. FA has called me crazy paranoid for discussing the idea that she let Cerb die without powers N1, and then it's now just accepted that Titus did that N2.

People have legit disagreements about mechanics here, it's pretty complex, you've been presenting the people who've disagreed with you as dumbies when (at least some of them) they're not.

oh math really called you paranoid for it? that's interesting because if someone was feeding titus precog info, there's an extremely good chance it was mathblade.

the 180 on the stance is really telling on math's alignment.

I don’t think,Titus was being fed anything. If she had negate herself or any of the 2 other scummy powers available that night, then it really doesn’t make a lot of sense for scum to kill Shiro. I suppose you could always argue that scum had good reason to think he wouldn’t use his bp but I think, scum didn’t want Ank to tell Shiro she never got a power and while this scenario can make sense with any 3 of the scummier powers available that night, it really doesn’t make a helluva lot of sense with precog.

if scum has someone infiltrated in towncore

you know, someone like mathblade

then killing shiro is essential because when mathblade becomes captain, they can e.g. pretend they picked the NK and give another scum powers. like he did with stungun.

just an example.

and is titus died by lynch with power negate then they will of course kill shiro cause shiro was unprotected.

But Stun had him in his hardtown core, so what would be the motivation for Math to kill him? But if Titus died with negate, then what would scum have to fear from a Shiro Ank visit?

not an ank visit, but the power would be very inconvenient for later gamedays yes?

the stun kill points to no power negation

the ank kill and titus being leader point to power negation

that would mean titus had power negation

and some other scum had precog

math has precog

idk I just want math dead now

1) Agree scum would want to get rid of medium.

2) Also agree, that Stun kill points to scum probably not having it.

3) Don’t necessarily agree on that. I think Ank mentioned something about choosing medium, so if Titus never gave her a power, then scum wouldn’t have needed negate to kill her.

4) I think the hidden scum has a scummy power, maybe Duplication? since I really don’t see any evidence for PN. The hidden scum could have PN and never used it, Wezther, less likely and Duplication, quite likely. Why couldn’t scum be holding onto a power that gives them an extra vote in LYLO?

My problem with this, is if the hidden scum has precog, why would they fear Ank visit?

[Nancy Drew 39]

All joking aside, I think this is more how I feel.

poe pool

Creature
Gamma Emerald
hebichan
Kokichi Oma
Theta Alpine
Nosferatu
the worst
Drixx

town pool

Frozen Angel
Nancy Drew 39
Nero Cain
Sakura Hana
Sando
Toranaga
MathBlade

Even if we went just old fashioned and lynched a player

each day scum are going to shoot exclusively from the town pool

and I just feel like for this to work we'd need a significantly smaller POE pool and them blowing themselves up accomplishes that and gives the scum less ML bait.

Agree with that and there hasn’t been one NK so far that wasn’t on a superhero list.

[Nancy Drew 39]

I vote two bombs if not three.

No, 3 is insanely unnecessarily risky. I or at the most 2 - if at all would make the most sense if and that’s a huge if - if we can anticipate all of the likely risks and neutralize them.

But unless we can come up with a pretty much fullproof plan, I’m inclined to agree with the naysayers. *shrug*

[Nancy Drew 39]

5 tbh

5??? Sorry but I only really trust you and maybe Theta to actually keep your promise. Also, if either of you - unlikely IMO - were to attempt to pull any funny stuff like Petrifying obvtown, Asuka and me have HT, to reverse it.

We can’t reverse all 5 since no one claimed Power Echo as a power, so 5 scum could completely decimate town. I or 2, max. if we go along with this plan. I am 100% against anymore then that.

[Nancy Drew 39]

Even if all scum are in the PoE, stalling days to lynch the PoE one by one is gonna be a pretty painful experience.

What if they’re not? That’s why anymore then 2 is way too risky.

[Nancy Drew 39]

Who should I vote?

Kokichi felt the best lynch for me, but I could also do hebichan.

let me explain to you very succintly why this sucks
n
1 - scum was elected leader on n1 and we don't know how many wolves got powers that day. we don't know what their powers are. we don't know who titus gave power to instead of ankamius.
2 - if scum slipped into the towncore as well, then they have a lot of powers by now and can absolutely fuck our "bombing plan" up in many ways.
3 - scum can negate, redirect, amplify or BP themselves against the suicides
4 - flipping everyone in a POE and then determine that whoever we don't flip is scum does not fucking work cause there will be situations where scum just WIFOMs the fuck out of it
5 - we are playing a horribly townsided setup where we elect a leader and we know the majority of players who got powers and which powers are those. we have informative, protective and other types of abilities that will always lead to a town win as long as we don't fuck this up. we benefit from playing slowly because we gain a ton of information every gameday. we control the abilities. we bulletproof our towniest people. nuking an entire POE that's actually way too big and could be wrong is the fucking worst plan ever.

so please the worst, you just stop this mate. I know you're bored with the game and want to nuke everyone. that's not the proper way to play this though, and I'm not gonna stand by it.

I'm especially not gonna stand by it when that was also FA's opinion and unfortunately she had to not be in this game anymore cause mathblade's AtE. which honestly is pretty disgusting if you're scum, math. I hope you're not. I think you might be.

First off, I can see both sides of the FA/Math thing and you bringing this back up again, isn’t helping anything, since it wasn’t game related. It’s just a shame, things went as far as they did.

Wrt the bomb thing, I think FA’s position on it was no more than 2 bombs iirc?

[Nancy Drew 39]

I'm literally just suggesting we nuke the lynchpool. It's what happens through like ~5 days of play but via lynches in one fell swoop. If scum actually do have a high number of unaccounted-for powers it forces them to throw them all down at once (like.... all 3 of them, woahhhhhh) and will be much easier to sort through that gradually plowing through the lynchpool.

I can actually understand you misreading my suggestion as sheer disdain at gamestate and a desperate attempt to get out but I actually am pretty sure it's also optimal :0

you are just killing a bunch of town, though

you don't know who titus added to the d2 team, yes? you don't know what powers they have. you don't know if mathblade is scum.

the "PoE" is huge, filled with lynchbait and unlikely to contain all scum. if it does we will win this game anyway. if it doesn't, we're handing scum a loadfuck of kills.

That’s why 5 is nuts, anymore than 1 or 2 but a plan this unorthodox requires careful planning and should never be rushed into, without anticipating all of the possible downsides. So, I agree, no reason whatsover to rush this. If the plan is sound IMO, then it will remain/become even more sound, after examining it from every possible angle. If the plan is bad, it will become even more obvious, the more we dissect it.

[Nancy Drew 39]

Even if all scum are in the PoE, stalling days to lynch the PoE one by one is gonna be a pretty painful experience.

What if they’re not?

We're still gonna waste a lot of time with the PoE.

A town win is never a “waste of time”.

[Nancy Drew 39]

Ok so.
I'm scrapping the bombing plan.
I'll just give powers to people in the town bloc.
If ppl in PoE pool want to suicide killing someone, instead make a case for them being lynched.
I want tomorrow leadership now to be Nero/Tora.
Mostly while I trust Ausuka to be town, im not 100% sure she's into the mechanics side of the game yet, nor how much she has read, I would rather wait at least a day.

Have you considered the possibility of 2 vigs? You and another who would be Doc protected by Drixx but if the other vig candidate didn’t feel safe, you for sure at least, would be guaranteed a safe vigshot due to your being immune.

[Nancy Drew 39]

Nero: Tora
Tora: Nero, Ausuka

So we're doing this again.

I prefer Tora but unlike Nero, he still has his 1-shot bp, iirc? while Nero has no protection whatsoever.

[Nancy Drew 39]

@Nero - I'd appreciate a concise and specific list after the game of what is "bad" and what is "scummy" and why. Bad needs fixing. Scummy to casual view I don't give a shit about. My job isn't to be the most obvious townie who ever towned and get myself night killed straightaway. Especially since I'm hilariously bad on day one. It's basically a signature of Drixx play that you are going to suspect me.

this makes me want to self-harm

and by self-harm i mean bash my head into a wall repeatedly

Then I apparently didn't express myself in a way that you understand. The usual course for gameplay for me is to figure shit out and then dump it when I'm reasonably sure. If I draw a night kill prior to that, then I haven't done anything useful to advance wincon. So what, precisely, would be achieved by painting a gigantic ass target on myself?

There are several games that come to mind where I literally waited until I felt the time was right and then acted in such a way as to draw the night kill. Hell ... in Mafiaception I drew the kill twice because the first time didn't work. But even though they knew the first kill attempt failed, they went to the trouble of getting rid of me.

So umm ... you shouldn't self harm. Maybe try and find something of value in the play of others which is different than your own and add it to the toolbox. It's a game. The game has a wide spread of approaches and skillsets which can be used to play it.


But for real ... this is getting out of hand now. We've got people saying they will hurt/kill someone IRL over this game.

And now we have someone saying they are contemplating permanent self harm

. Can we dial that rhetoric back just a bit please?

Drixx, I’m assuming you’ve never played with Nos before lol. I’d bet my life savings - what little there is of it - that he was

kidding

[Nancy Drew 39]

Since the plan got scrapped, I point out the obvious:

1.) Scum get handed bomb(s)
2.) Scum either set a triggered action for day start or just camp the game until day start to set off a bomb on Sakura.

And that's just one of several problems.

Like ... I

want

to believe that the game is solved and we could just speed up the win with Sakura picking 3 and only 3 people and forcing them to take bomb and bomb a specific target. It would be as simple as making a list of 5 people and telling each of them whom to bomb if they are given one and telling them to do the bomb tonight to avoid shenanigans (doing it during the day is problematic for reasons I assume people figured out already?).

But even as much as I've been thinking about it and how scum might subvert it ... my brain keeps saying that I'm missing something.


@Sakura - We're running down on time. If we're not bombing, we need to be gameplanning leadership swap and power pooling.

You’re suggesting that self-detonation is a factional ability? How does this make any sense - let alone, “obvious”?

Also, as long as we don’t no lynch, Sakura is immune from all killing abilities.

[Nancy Drew 39]

@Sakura - We're running down on time. If we're not bombing, we need to be gameplanning leadership swap and power pooling.

Leaders I want Nero and Tora, at the very least for now Ausuka can read stuff over the night and if FA was telling the truth about her abilities then she can become unkillable tonight as well in any case.
We have 5 days within 24 hours of now im giving time to people to choose who they want to vote, then whoever didnt chose, sorry, ill just fill up the rest of the leadership wagons, as neither leader has protection although will be able to get goo it should deter scum a bit from killing there.
Current people that are getting powers are all in the town pool, but i can only choose 5 and

im having trouble choosing all 5,

i sent already a team but i can change it before day end, at the very least if for some reason we end the day before that's fully fleshed out i wont be caught flat footed.

So, you’re set on 4 but unsure on a 5th?

[Nancy Drew 39]

I'm still trying to figure out what kind of inane thought process put you up for primary leader.

Because this is Nero's town meta with 95% certainty. You're free to look it up on your own if you dont believe me.

I’m fine with Nero for leader candidate.

[Nancy Drew 39]

What vig? you mean that BS Janitored Vig that gives us 0 info?

Are you referring to Petrification? No, I mean if you pick self-detonate, it’s basically a free vigshot, so long as we get a lynch, because you’re immune to all kills.