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[Looker]

3 scum out of 13? 7 to lynch?

[Looker]

Are we still waiting for more people to show up?

[Looker]

Hi UP

Please leave me out of your WIFOM shenanigans. I'm not used to the way the worst formats his votecounts (or his rules post). Where are wilky and Pine?

[Looker]

Pine's going to have to be replaced. How quickly you rush into accusations when not everyone's even playing.
I don't keep up with whatever ratio whatever mod wants to put in whatever game. It's weird that you're exploiting such a simple question.

Spoiler:

Looker (3):

Datisi, Menalque, AaronFrost

UltimatePlank (4):

Iconeum, UltimatePlank, bji, wilky,

Datisi (1):

emps

bji (1):

Looker

ceejayvinoya (1):

GuiltyLion

wilky (1):

bob3141

not voting (2):

ceejayvinoya, Pine
13 alive, 7 to lynch

Opportunism abounds, and I don't trust it.
VOTE: bji

[Looker]

The "you" is anyone that took my question to the mod and ran with it. Indiscriminate scolding.

[Looker]

Oh, the first you. The first you is for everyone. I don't like creating avenues for scum to lurk. Everyone should post.

[Looker]

I'm losing interest in this exchange

[Looker]

I'm guessing it's not as clear as it should be to? Accusations can't be taken seriously when half of the players aren't present. Does that make sense?

[Looker]

You're projecting.

[Looker]

Scum theatrics and AtE.

@looker - why the vote on bji, specifically? If we're looking at UP voters...

We're not.

if your opportunism comment was about your own voters, why vote someone on another wagon?

Because I don't know who's scum. Some people are just horrific players.

It's a toss-up between bji and GuiltyLion for me.

this is just my dumb tinfoil brain before i actually do smart analyis but
VOTE: looker kinda feels lowkey lamist in a bad way and also different from the micro noormal where we mislynched thsi player

Different how?

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And if we're referencing past games of mine that people have modded, why don't you check the dead threads where I asked the same question about scum-to-town ratio? Just like here, no one would give me a straight answer (or even a link to the formula).

• It's highly possible I might have to replace as well.

Datisi is boring and hapless, but that doesn't always mean scum. Saying that you would fake a townslip doesn't mean that I would. I'm in several games, and most mods put the ratio in the rules post and the 13 alive/7 to lynch stat in the votecount. The effortlessness of the research required and the fact that it wasn't accomplished is disheartening. It makes me question trying.

• I'm also reconciling the fact that as cool and as level-headed as people come across as mods is not always how they come across as players. I don't know if it's on purpose or not, but either way, it's disheartening.

Spoiler:

wilky (2):

bob3141, GuiltyLion,

Looker (3):

Datisi, AaronFrost, bugspray

Datisi (2):

emps, UltimatePlank

UltimatePlank (1):

wilky

bji (1):

Looker

bugspray (1):

Iconeum

not voting (3)

: Pine, Menalque, bji
13 alive, 7 to lynch!

SCUM {GuiltyLion/bji | bugspray/UltimatePlank | datisi/wilky} TOWN
Just so I can remember who I've looked at.

[Looker]

Can I get a bit more on your town read on me? That read is basically a 180 on everyone else and with no reason for it.

Are the Bugspray/UP spots null reads?

There's nothing to get. I'm still reading players and I don't think you're scummy. I feel like any "serious" reads right now are overdrawn and exaggerated. I can't exhaust myself with obsequiousness.

3 scum out of 13? 7 to lynch?

feels like kinda duh to me. like i know mountainous is 3v10 and im sure if u sprinkle in prs corectly duh its gonna be like that again. this just feels too calculated to mee coming from a player with as much experience as i think looker has (which is a lot more than me)

a lot of the two word posts in the iso sort of fall flat and the fact that they dont really quote anyone means i have to click more links to proprely get context and i definitely feel like this is something everyone does (hanlon razor and all) but scum is incentivised to do it more oftan than normal because it increases the amount of efford required to anlyse their iiso

like it feels low effort high key lamist to me as if looker knows that on day 2 morning suddenly some mod post about hey looker is NOW an ic ahahaha wow arent alisae setups cool? or is that not even allowed in normal

• Experience that you think I have? Have you meta'd me or something? Why is the burden of proof on the accused?
  
• You think because you're lazy that I'm scum?
  
• You last sentence doesn't appear to be English

How old are you people?

Also, @bugspray

this is just my dumb tinfoil brain before i actually do smart analyis but
VOTE: looker kinda feels lowkey lamist in a bad way and also different from the micro noormal where we mislynched thsi player

Different how?

@Iconeum: Independently. One being scum helps clear the other for me.
@bji: 2. Because my other games were more interesting.

Spoiler:

Looker (4):

Datisi, AaronFrost, bugspray, wilky

bugspray (3):

Iconeum, GuiltyLion, bji

Datisi (2):

emps, UltimatePlank

bji (1):

Looker

wilky (1):

bob3141

not voting (2): Pine, Menalque
13/7

S {GuiltyLion/bji | bugspray | wilky | UltimatePlank | datisi} T

[Looker]

I can't, it's fake, like all of D1 reads. Why him and not bji

[Looker]

VOTE: bugspray L-1

{bugspray | wilky | GuiltyLion/bji |

UltimatePlank

Tchill | Datisi}

If wilky is sheeping Datisi's logic, does this mean that he'll be willing to hammer bugspray?

[Looker]

I probably suspect GL because no one else has. You're trying to go headfirst into an inch-deep pool.

[Looker]

I just assumed you were town because you were annoying. Scum typically try not to rub people the wrong way. Wilky openly admitted that he sheeps votes. Bugspray used vague, subjective rhetoric. Besides, scum has to be

somebody

, so, yea, whatever.

[Looker]

We're using "up" and "down" differently.

[Looker]

@MOD: Emps is voting me, not Datisi

[Looker]

I am extremely happy with this lynch. No offense, bugspray.

[Looker]

You don't do bookmarks?

[Looker]

VOTE: wilky
I get that this comes across weird, but you not hammering bugspray is off to me. Do you also not use bookmarks? Also, I guess you guys are now seeing what I was talking about regarding keeping the 13 alive/7 to lynch in the votecount.

Spoiler:

bugspray (5):

Iconeum, GuiltyLion, bji, AaronFrost, Menalque

Looker (3):

bugspray, wilky, emps

wilky (2):

bob3141, Looker

not voting: Pine, Datisi, Tchill13
{wilky | bugspray | guiltylion/bji |

UP

tchill | datisi}

[Looker]

Also this game is so hard to find at the minute. Making it kinda hard to play.

VOTE: wilky
I get that this comes across weird, but you not hammering bugspray is off to me. Do you also not use bookmarks? Also, I guess you guys are now seeing what I was talking about regarding keeping the 13 alive/7 to lynch in the votecount.

Spoiler:

bugspray (5):

Iconeum, GuiltyLion, bji, AaronFrost, Menalque

Looker (3):

bugspray, wilky, emps

wilky (2):

bob3141, Looker

not voting: Pine, Datisi, Tchill13
{wilky | bugspray | guiltylion/bji |

UP

tchill | datisi}

Hasn't bugs been hammered? and why is weird that I didn't hammer bugs? I'm pretty sure bugs was hammered before I posted aswell

Right ok, I came back under the impression that bugspray had been hammered so didn't really look into bug much gonna isodive them now.

Ok so Iso'd ceejay and bugspray and neither of them really done anything this game is bug at L-2 or L-1?

Mod has them at L-2 but I believe that's missing a vote by menalque?

This looks like a whole lot of stalling to avoid hammering your partner. Why are your scumreads driven by votecount? Do you believe that bugspray is town?

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• I assume that tchill is still reading.
  
• I didn't say anything because I was waiting to see how long it would take/go, but it's a bit hypocritical (scummy) that no one hinted at tchill faking his read of UltimatePlank. I'm not saying he did, but we had a whole town discussion about my entrance and not his.
  
• My wagon sometimes works as a flytrap for scum. This is easily exploitable WIFOM, though, so I try to go one scum at a time. [This is just a timestamp for me for post-game analysis]

[Looker]

bugspray (4)

: Iconeum, GuiltyLion, bji, AaronFrost

Looker (3)

: bugspray, wilky, emps

wilky (2)

: bob3141, Looker

not voting (4)

: Pine, Menalque, Datisi, Tchill13

With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch

Spoiler:

{wilky | bugspray : tchill | guiltylion/bji | datisi}

[Looker]

Go for it, Chem; feed the counterwagon

[Looker]

Counterwagon is Wilky, though, Chem, so you might be fucked.

[Looker]

A French bull just ran through my china shop

[Looker]

It would take too much work to drive a new wagon on town, so you're just going to rest on what's already on the votecount, lol. All those pages you've "read" and the only thing you could come up with is "Looker's first post was scummy" lmao

[Looker]

I'm rootin' for ya, Chem

[Looker]

You're right, and I'm sorry. You're doing an amazing job, and I love you for it. Happy Valentine's Day.

[Looker]

• I take it Wilky now has no access to the site
  
• And tchill is still 'reading'. Surely he's past pg 29 by now

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• AaronFrost outright disclaimed his vote, but put it down anyway. My "brain is too fried"?
  
• I think Datisi has confused nobody wanting to play with him with being conftown. This is why it's important to differentiate between scummy players and horrific players
  
• You did well, Chemist. My flip is going to incriminate you and your flunkies, but good job at convincing, at the very least, 1
  idiot
  easily-impressionable sheep

We should've moved this pressure to Wilky and tchill, but oh well.

Spoiler:

Looker (5):

Chemist1422, wilky, emps, AaronFrost, Datisi

Chemist1422 (4):

Iconeum, GuiltyLion, bji, bob3141

wilky (1):

Looker

bob3141 (1):

Menalque

not voting (2): Pine, Tchill13

with 13 alive it takes 7 to lynch
{wilky | tchill153 | Chemist | guiltylion/bji | datisi}

[Looker]

Pine has a total of 4 posts.

[Looker]

But my entrance was unfounded. It's almost like I've played Mafia before.

[Looker]

I saw your reason for voting bugspray, but not your reason for voting me - what is it?

[Looker]

Honesty is the best policy.

[Looker]

• I guess Wilky "asking simply answered mechanical questions" isn't scummy? I'm glad your readthrough was so thorough.

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• So, of my wagon, who's doing it on purpose and who's doing it on purpose because they're scum? Aaron hasn't given a reason, and emps's reasons are always "I don't like". (I'm the only person emps has ever voted, though, btw. He said he wouldn't vote bugspray because all his TRs were on that wagon)
  
• Is "I don't buy X" a valid justification if you don't say what you don't buy about it? (This is rhetorical if Chemist is scum because he's already getting sheeped)

Spoiler:

Looker (4):

Chemist1422, wilky, emps, AaronFrost

Chemist1422 (5):

Iconeum, GuiltyLion, bji, bob3141, Menalque

wilky (1):

Looker

not voting (3): Pine, Tchill13, Datisi

with 13 alive it takes 7 to lynch
{wilky | tchill |

bugspray

chemist | guiltylion/bji | datisi}

Spoiler:

GuiltyLion:
Me:

[Looker]

VOTE: Chemist

I hate compromise

[Looker]

This is what survivalism will do for you if you're town. If you're scum, Wilky's next.

[Looker]

But seriously, though @emps and AF - wtf

Are they your partners, Chem?

[Looker]

There's that Datisi kid again, pretending to be obvtown

[Looker]

I hammered him on purpose. I believe your town is dumb.

[Looker]

You have people making decisions without even reading the thread - no way am I leaving it up to them. Plus, "Ascetic Doc" + "no crumb"?

[Looker]

And then he didn't even make any cases. Your adolescent outrage is why I don't trust you right now

[Looker]

Keep going, though; this is probably the highlight of his day. He gets this theater as consolation for being caught scum

[Looker]

[Looker]

Next time on Dragon Ball Z lmao

Chemist has your chain yanked

[Looker]

I think calming down is a good idea - you don't have as much control of others as you may like or believe.

[Looker]

I WAS FAKE QUICKHAMMERING

I DIDN'T KNOW FUCKING LOOKER WOULD SWOOP IN FROM THE DEPTHS OF HELL AND ACTUALLY HAMMER

I can't get this visual out of my head

[Looker]

TELL US YOUR ALIGNMENT! lol

[Looker]

Or not, you deserve this hysteria

[Looker]

You're the second person to replace into that slot and none of them crumbed or did anything. You definitely pulled your weight.

[Looker]

Pine still has a total of 4 posts

[Looker]

VOTE: AaronFrost

• @Datisi: Sooo, am I still a "bitch" or...?

[Looker]

O wow thanks

[Looker]

VOTE: tchill13

• It's too much WIFOM surrounding AF - do we kill him even if he's town for strategy? I think we need to pick a target, and, if he flips green (Aaron), we'll at least know one role. It can be settled in a little bit. I personally want to kill him for shitty wagoning, though (This could be bias).
  
• I don't like Menalque's 1114, but he voted Chemist, so whatever
  
• I don't know why Pine is still in this game

[Looker]

It would be hellishly unwise for me to trust you when I scumread Wilky

[Looker]

see if you can convince bji

[Looker]

I see we're still waiting for certain people to post. That's not a scummy thing for me to say is it? Wouldn't want scum lurking to a win.

[Looker]

Getting my current thoughts out there before Pine and emps get replaced and everything gets mixed up with new reads on new players:

AaronFrost/Ico: this pair is either both town or Aaron is scum and Ico is town. The chances of them both being scum is very low and if they are, then this will become obvious by later days anyways so I think we can play as if it is known that they are not both scum, at least for now.

• Why did you pair them up like this?

emps - if Aaron is scum then emps is a likely partner. If Aaron is town then emps might be scum ascetic trying to make Aaron look bad. I have a scum lean on emps.

• Again, why pair them up just to say that emps is scum? Why don't you have a separate line for Aaron? This association style is weird to me. Or, rather, it "pings me the wrong way".

Looker - I am conflicted. I never scum read looker day 1 but the quickhammer was not necessary and post 1455 pings me the wrong way. I would say very slightly town reading this slot.

• I explained in 1234 why the quickhammer was necessary (and in successive posts).

Pine - no comment, except, if he is scum, then he's *actual* scum for playing it like this.

• Why is he still here? And he's the reason why I have to
  make
  posts like 1455

TChill/UP - I had a town read on UltimatePlank, but the slot lost a little lustre for me when tchill took it, with the very weird read on his own slot, and disinterest in the game after an initial read of the game. If the scum team is { chemslot/tchill/pine } that would explain alot of this game.

• If you think TChill's scum, why not vote him?

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Has Tchill13 been prodded?

VOTE: bji Who do you think is scum?

[Looker]

If none of his posts have had content, can we force replace him...? He technically has 0 posts.

[Looker]

No, but seriously, what's the process for forced replacement?

[Looker]

Please calm down, Pikatrump

[Looker]

They weren't emotional. We were on the cusp of a mislynch for shitty reasons (read: 'nonexistent').

[Looker]

I feel like you're stalling scum the same way Wilky was. Not voting doesn't make sense to me. That's a difference in playstyles, though.

[Looker]

And I posted my concerns in thread because I wanted the other players to know that I have them. Fuck the bullshit, get rid of him.

[Looker]

up to pg 29.

[Looker]

I'm not trying to waste a lynch on a lurker.

[Looker]

What about TChill? Do you want to hear from him before you end the day?

[Looker]

Your meta says the exact opposite.

[Looker]

Tyrion?

[Looker]

You think pressure's gonna make him play?

I am not certain that there is anything that will make him play, but I would have preferred to wait and see if it worked.

Why not just let the mod do his job and replace him?

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• I don't like this narrative that Pine should be lynched instead of replaced - what separates him from Tchill? Is this the alternative to lynching scummy players - Lynch All Lurkers? And then when I address it, Micc says I shouldn't say it in thread - wtf.

O wow, so many p-edits

[Looker]

We don't want to play with him anymore

[Looker]

VOTE: slaxx

[Looker]

I said Wilky was next

[Looker]

The people I'm most suspicious of aren't even required to be in the thread. You guys are arguing over remnants/scraps.

[Looker]

Sorry everyone I ran out of time last night and my time this morning is limited. I will try to find time today to participate. I see from a quick ISO check that Pine hasn't posted, so lame. I agree with Ico that I need to read Micc more carefully.

You also need to bus him. VOTE: bji

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• I keep checking the Replacements thread, expecting TChill's or Pine's name to pop up, but...
  
• I feel that emps/Micc is scum, but I find it very informative watching his partners dance around his wagon
  
• Seriously, though; I'll make the post in the Replacements thread myself if you want

Spoiler:

Pine (2)

- Micc, Menalque

Micc (4)

- Iconeum, AaronFrost, Datisi, Slaxx

bji (1)

- Looker

not voting (4): Tchill13, Pine, bob3141, bji

with 11 alive it takes 6 to lynch

[Looker]

Sting operation? If you've already caught the queen, the least I can do is search the bushes for the minion. I have to leverage having been a counterwagon to the best of my ability for the town. I kinda expected to die tonight, so I kinda wanted to draw out the inconsistencies in those not voting Micc. That, and I thought bji was scum back when GL and UP were here.

[Looker]

I'm curious about this bji pine post. How many of us does it take to pm to get some traction?

[Looker]

And am I the whack or the mole?

[Looker]

First of all, nobody even talked about Pine during Day 1, except to point out that Pine is not playing, EXCEPT for this from Datisi post 1042: "btw if we end up having to cfd i recommend Pine tbh". I do not know what 'cfd' means though.

Pine's going to have to be replaced. How quickly you rush into accusations when not everyone's even playing.
I don't keep up with whatever ratio whatever mod wants to put in whatever game. It's weird that you're exploiting such a simple question.

Spoiler:

Looker (3):

Datisi, Menalque, AaronFrost

UltimatePlank (4):

Iconeum, UltimatePlank, bji, wilky,

Datisi (1):

emps

bji (1):

Looker

ceejayvinoya (1):

GuiltyLion

wilky (1):

bob3141

not voting (2):

ceejayvinoya, Pine
13 alive, 7 to lynch

Opportunism abounds, and I don't trust it.
VOTE: bji

You're wrong. This is what started an unlikable exchange between myself and Datisi.

You butt

Seconded.

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VOTE: tchill13 This isn't fun anymore.

[Looker]

Bob's not really capable of decision-making. He's more of a "ask a bunch of questions" type of guy.

[Looker]

What use would that be when I'm sorted? Wouldn't you better like to understand bob and Menalque?

[Looker]

Do you already know their alignment?

[Looker]

Pffft bwahAHAHAHA!!!!! Lmao insufferable

[Looker]

I've wanted replacements since yesterday; however, you're still hilarious. It's interesting watching your noncommittal playstyle clash with people who are clearly bored. I was just trying to give you the chance to create some associations. There's always Menalque.

[Looker]

Do you misspell things on purpose? Have you turned off autocorrect?

[Looker]

Disregard that

[Looker]

I’m afraid some BS will happen and we will miss the lynch. Also I just want the flip.

Do we have the votes for pine? Can we flash lynch him?

It's you. You're BS.

If your “aha moment” is that Aaron and icon are both scum making a big brain play imma be deeply disappoint

I think it’s Aaron/Pine

If you think it's Aaron/Pine, why kill the AFK player who's less likely to submit a kill?

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• I still think it's wilky/emps
  
• Why do mods keep accepting Pine as a player
  
• I'm tempted to vote Pine, but I'd prefer bji, slaxx, or tchill

VOTE: Slaxx

Micc (4)

- AaronFrost, Datisi, bji, Iconeum

Pine (3)

- Micc, Menalque, Slaxx

Slaxx (1)

- Looker

not voting (3)

:

Tchill13

,

Pine

, bob3141

with 11 alive it takes 6 to lynch

[Looker]

You’re tempted to vote Pine but are going to vote me with one day to go?

And obviously I’ll switch back to Micc over a no lynch. I’m on vacation starting tomorrow. Not v/la, just off work. Aka I can babysit the thread.

Same sentiment, considering you hopped off Micc to Pine. I've never known Pine to be a decent player; however, I can draw associations from UltimatePlank's play.

Finding a new Pine.

How?

I haven't seen anything for TChill or Pine in the Replacements thread.

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• I'd really like a Wilky lynch; however, there's no way I'm going to cause a No Lynch

[Looker]

[Looker]

Wouldn't wanna be modkilled in three weeks - it'd take you four years to replace me. Only for you to waffle around the lynch for an additional six.

[Looker]

That's unfair.

[Looker]

Impressive

[Looker]

What's the likelihood that every scum has replaced out of this game

[Looker]

No

[Looker]

VOTE: Pine I think we have enough now to lynch Pine. Moreso than TChill.

[Looker]

This play mirrors his scumplay in an ongoing game. Also, all the "finding a new..." posts were bluffs.

Spoiler:

Micc (5)

- AaronFrost, Datisi, bji, Iconeum, Pine,

Pine (3)

- Menalque, Slaxx, Looker

AaronFrost (1)

- Micc

not voting: Tchill13, bob3141

with 11 alive it takes 6 to lynch

[Looker]

Town!Datisi, we need you. Vote Pine.

[Looker]

We need you and bji specifically.

[Looker]

I thought I did?

[Looker]

I feel we already have enough associations of people trying to jump on Pine's lynch to PoE if he flips town. I don't feel that he will.

[Looker]

And he's not going to replace out because he's surviving by doing nothing.

[Looker]

You're not confirmed town to me, Ico, so don't expect some type of telegraphing of strategy. No offense.

p-edit: Whatever keeps me from getting NK'd; I don't care.

[Looker]

My thoughts are that we've dragged this out enough to get a slight read on everyone.

Micc (3)

- AaronFrost, bji, Pine

Pine (3)

- Menalque, Slaxx, Looker

AaronFrost (1)

- Micc

not voting: Tchill13, bob3141, Datisi, Iconeum

with 11 alive it takes 6 to lynch

And I

am

working with you.

Pine's

not working with you.

[Looker]

Micc, save yourself.

[Looker]

Lmao, goodness, what is this game

[Looker]

the worst is having

the worst

luck, amirite?

[Looker]

TChill's going to be replaced before D3 starts. We can just lynch Pine right now.

[Looker]

Succinct, right?

P-edit: O wow, we're heated

[Looker]

Ew, yikes.

Round of applause for scum theater. AtE on point. Deductions for racial slurs, but still good.

[Looker]

I don't believe that you're down. I believe that you're full of shit, which is why I said that.

[Looker]

Siri, define "stall"

[Looker]

No. I think you’re scummy, and going for an undefended goal is only part of that

What's the other part?

my scum pool of slaxx, tchill, Menalque, and I

I'd be down for slaxx.

Spoiler:

Pine (4)

- Menalque, Slaxx, Looker, Iconeum

Micc (3)

- AaronFrost, bji, Pine

not voting: Tchill13, bob3141, Datisi, Micc

with 11 alive it takes 6 to lynch

[Looker]

If Pine transitions into a No Lynch, let's kill everyone that's not on his wagon.

[Looker]

Well there's definitely a fucking roleblocker because I rolestopped Aaron last night.

I don't believe this, especially with the horribleness that was Wilky's play VOTE: slaxx

Im pissed because I was going to go for Icon then WIFOM'd myself into Aaron and none of it mattered anyway

But that's the game.

Curious as to what Icon has in store for us today.

Manufactured emotion, encouraged resignation, and then a diversion.

UNVOTE:

Meh.

I'll be around today if anyone needs my input on anything.

Your conviction gave out way too easily for that to have been a serious vote.

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• @Skygazer; I ignored that pressure because it was horseshit

These are my thoughts just in case I forget about this thread:
SCUM {Slaxx

wilky

| bji | micc | skygazer

tchill

| datisi} TOWN

• I'm willing to lynch bji or micc if not slaxx, and skygazer only at deadine as of right now. Go team

[Looker]

TW said something about the setup being lulzy so I wouldn't put it out of the realm of possibility, though I find it unlikely. Why would town RB me?

At this point, I'm not willing to spare slaxx for setup spec.

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• I have no idea what you're talking about, Ico
  
• Slaxx is not getting killed tonight, and I'm not making it to lylo
  
• My hammer on Chemist was the best thing about this game

[Looker]

Am I supposed to be claiming?

[Looker]

I'm glad I actually checked my role pm. I'm ascetic Townie, not vt. I'm assuming there was a consensus on the massclaim since I'm last and everyone went. I just kinda skimmed.

[Looker]

He was more likely to be scum than I was, and I didn't trust the intelligence or dedication of anyone else to see it or act on it. Especially with the bullshit votes y'all allowed on my wagon.

[Looker]

He's saying wilky and emps just like I did. We should kill wilky and emps (that sounds so horrific).

[Looker]

If y’all gonna lynch me on setup spec be my guest lol

I want to kill you because Wilky tried to kill me. He also tried to save Chemist.

When I flip town though people need to seriously reconsider the other claims because I sense some fuckery. And don’t lynch off setup spec after me.

Clever.

which other claims, exactly?

Yours and Icons.

No clue why my play is under fire here. I made the right call last night and softed both protective and rolestop yesterday during the day phase. Meanwhile, you roleblocked aaron instead of emps N1 and Icon misread his result, and somehow my existence in this game is suspect? Screw that. I don’t know why you all are giving each other the benefit of the doubt but refusing to extend that to me as well, despite my play being way more rational and consistent than either of you.

Despite their hypocrisy/inconsistency, you don't think that either could be scum?

To answer both of you: I’m not for sure either of you are scum. I’m saying you should be suspicious you are accepting each other’s claims at face value, and you need to prepare yourself for that if I’m the lynch today. I need to go back and read from Day 2 to see if your claims fit with your play.

For example, I’m going to be looking at how Dati treated the Aaron claim of a no result yesterday knowing they got blocked. I’ll also be looking back to see if Ico’s misread and realization is apparent in any shifts and how they approached Aaron.

If these people whose claims and night actions are sketchy to you aren't scum, then who is?

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• I'm getting the same, dragged out feeling I did as the Chemist lynch. I respect the player and the effort; however, I feel that this should be a done deal.

[Looker]

And I appreciate the fact that Micc's come over to the side of speaking to the Mod in thread. Welcome.

[Looker]

If you think someone is scum, vote them, Slaxx

[Looker]

Right now it just looks like you're stalling

[Looker]

Lmfao

VOTE: Micc

Free advertising for your page Micc

Sorry hope it makes up for the vote

I tried to leave a comment on his wiki, but why would you be sorry? I don't believe you're genuinely sorry because your partner is bji, but I could just be being foolhardy. I can't allow a scum!slaxx flip to incriminate Micc just because you told him "sorry" in thread. But, once again, paranoia.

[Looker]

I'm not convinced you're scum here. Generally I'd try to solve that through interacting with you about your scum reads.

But, if your scum reads are the equivalent of "Micc's slot is scum for things emps did, and I don't trust myself to read Micc correctly" then I don't have anything to interact with you about.

So I don't know what to do here.

If you don't think that Slaxx is scum, who is?

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• I don't want to give anyone the wrong impression: I still don't have a read on Ico - Datisi is my highest townread

[Looker]

and like, setup spec

from a town!you pov why aren't you incredibly worried about what scum powers include and are not saying what night actions should be to give us the best chance at winning?

Because it’s not going to be my problem. It’s going to be yours.

I don't buy this rationale. I think you don't want to help as scum, and you're trying to do the best you can with what little WIFOM you have.

I am ready to lynch slaxx now.

Go for it. 3005 is a good song from Childish Gambino

VOTE: Slaxx

#2 townread

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• @Ico: You'll be sorted by the time I need you sorted

[Looker]

My brain is fully scrambled at this point.

TRIGGERED

Also, I think the following:

• Scum didn't have to push for Slaxx yesterday because I telegraphed my push ahead of time and then pushed hard. Slaxx also self-voted, closing up availability/necessity (for scum votes)
  
• On top of not being a power role, I make good lynch bait today because of yesterday. Not killing me seems like an obvious choice.
  
• I don't expect to make it to lylo, but I think Micc will - he'll be the obvious lynch. I've been trying to find his partner beforehand.

To be honest there was some exasperation there. I had reasons to want to not lynch Micc, reasons to want to lynch Micc, weak reasons to want to lynch Pine, and reasons to think that neither was a lynch particularly likely to flip scum. I just kinda gave up mentally and sheeped you.

I feel you were encouraged to bus by my comment regarding Micc's partner dancing around his wagon.

It's hard not to sheep you at this point Iconeum. Even yesterday it was hard, but it is harder today. You are pretty universally town read, certainly town read by me, you have made claims that have been verified in several ways, and you've been taking a leadership position. It becomes hard to have any sort of impetus to do more than just sheep you. Like I feel like if I have a contrary viewpoint, unless it's cleared by you, it won't even matter.

Either this is you townpainting a partner to convince everyone else that they're town or you explaining why you shouldn't be held accountable for your actions, but, either way, I'm leery of it.

@Bob

how do you feel about Looker today? What about Ico?

How do

YOU

feel about Looker today? Fuck Ico.

If scum has a strongman, why would they kill Datisi instead of Ico?

If scum doesn't have a strongman, how did the kill on Aaron go through? Only by roleblock of Slaxx right?

What are the chances of a roleblock on Slaxx N2? If scum had a roleblocker wouldn't they roleblock one of Datisi or Ico?

And, what are the chances of a town roleblocker, town rolestopper, and scum roleblocker in the same game anyway? Could that possibly be normal given the chances for ambiguous situaions to occur?

Does anyone see where I am going with this?

Back to setup spec, where Slaxx warned us not to go?

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• @Ico: What specifically don't you like about my play? There are things I don't like about you either, but you first.
  • I wouldn't classify my doubts as "heavy" - if you are who you say you are, you'll die.
  • I don't need you to talk to me to figure you out, lol. I'm capable of reading a thread.
  • If you're going to accuse me of unfair play, understand that I came here to have fun, not make friends with potential enemies. If you want to be buds, do it in the General Discussions threads; it's fine.
• Also, I think Menalque is pandering to you to stay alive, because I haven't seen an unwillingness to be sorted on my part. You and he are the only two players I don't really have reads on.

VOTE: bji

[Looker]

That scum hasn't capitalized on my tunneling of bji is concerning. Or is it?

[Looker]

ico what was your result

How bizarre do you feel it is that Ico got no result?

As for this game to be balanced one of town pr claims has to be scum. Esp considering that we had cop.

Bob would be voting Looker or Ico today if he really meant the quoted text. Slaxx and Datisi flips only strengthen the statement he made above. His scum reads for today don't even have any pr claims in it.

Bob put Slaxx at L-1 and then left him there even when one of this scum reads (Micc) had claimed intent to hammer, and now today he's trying to distance himself from the Slaxx lynch by claiming that he really didn't want the lynch and was going to unvote if given some more time.

VOTE: bob3141

Are you voting him for not placing a vote yet? I see a delay more than an inconsistency.

Not sure what you are saying here. Are you doubting that it was late for me and that I had just spent 2+ hours reading ISOs and cross-referencing the main thread and that I was mentally exhausted?

Potential false disclaimers aside, this is the same justification AaronFrost used to lay down a crappy vote.

By this logic no scum ever has to push for any mislynch. Also are you saying that scum could have known that Slaxx was going to self-hammer?

I'm saying it's highly likely scum remained off wagon. (Unless you're buddies with Ico or Menalque)

I think you have an inflated sense of self-importance.

1. Why would scum kill you instead of a highly town firmed player with a claimed strong role?
2. I don't even recall whatever comment regarding Micc's partner that you are talking about. I can assure you it didn't weigh into any of my decisions yesterday.

I do.

• You're agreeing with me. This is why I'm expecting Ico to die if his claim is true. Do you expect him to survive?
  
• Judging from that vanity wagon, I don't think much weighed into your decision at all

False dichotomy.

If both of my options were incorrect, how would

you

explain the intent of that post?

Well there was a reason I asked that question. Guess you weren't following. Are you even reading bob?

Yes, as my strongest townread. Bob man good.

Slaxx also wanted us to vote Micc today. He was 100% clear on that. So are you going to vote Micc now? Or do you only pick and choose Slaxx' statements to fit your desired narrative?

Yes, I pick and choose. I also explained why I wasn't voting Micc in my vote, but that's cool. You didn't really explain why you were delving back into setup spec, though, but okay.

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• I think it's odd that the only people to have ever voted for Iconeum and bji (excluding myself) have been Menalque and GuiltyLion, respectively. Why wouldn't scum want to push them?
  • Also, how many nights can Ico survive before he becomes suspect?

[Looker]

Also, I think the following:

• Scum didn't have to push for Slaxx yesterday because I telegraphed my push ahead of time and then pushed hard. Slaxx also self-voted, closing up availability/necessity (for scum votes)

By this logic no scum ever has to push for any mislynch. Also are you saying that scum could have known that Slaxx was going to self-hammer?

I'm saying it's highly likely scum remained off wagon. (Unless you're buddies with Ico or Menalque)

Why is it more likely that scum stayed off wagon?

You're now being circular.

It should be obvious why I was delving back into setup spec. It's not obvious to me why you think it's ok to cherry pick Slaxx from yesterday to try to discredit me though.

It's not, thus the question. Also, I was being facetious - I haven't cherrypicked anything. Both you and Micc are going to die.

this game seems to have gone quite

VOTE: Bjj

His vote on me last day phase looked blatantly like a vanity vote. My gut is saying that teh slaxx lynch was all town.

bjj suddenly gets a read that lines up with menal and micc. Either he gets me lynched today or he trys to get looker lynched.

with micc and menal also saying they scum read me its quite clear scum are setting up poe they can hope to get lynched.

He even tries to push a little against ico who is confirmed follower. If ico is scum then good call on teh claim. As i cant see scum having a doc with town having role to see it. other wise teh game is no different to if there was no doc. scum doc would have no role other than to give teh cop somethign to think on.

Let's go, #1 townread

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• @Micc, I appreciate the help, but there's nothing to talk about. If scum kill me tonight, they get to frame Ico and lynch him tomorrow - win/win.

[Looker]

we need to work that out.

Can we get an FoS from you? I'm assuming a vote would be too forward for your preference.

[Looker]

And tbh you kinda did the same thing by cropping all my questions about things I wanted to work out from that post only to ask me where I’m gunna vote.

How about you help me work out the stuff that needs working out so I can decide where to vote?

Unless you're suspicious of me, there's nothing we have to work out together. I think you're scum, and I'm not giving you any logic to sheep or escape accountability from. Especially when you've avoided being on both of the last two lynch wagons. And emps was on me. I want you to bus on your own. It'll be easier to hold you accountable if you don't after the fact.

I will ask one more time and then I'm going to tunnel you to death if you don't answer Ico. I might tunnel you to death anyway depending on how you answer.

WHY DID YOU IMMEDIATELY ASK AARON TO CLAIM INSTEAD OF WAITING TO GATHER MORE EVIDENCE OR TRY TO USE YOUR PRIVATE KNOWLEDGE TO SET UP A BETTER OUTCOME THAN TOWN COP DEAD?

i misread my result as 'rolecop' which i immediately associated with scum

Can you explain this in more detail? I presume that since your role is follower/tracker that your investigative result on Looker said that he investigated Emps and got no result. Why did you assume investigation meant scum rolecop instead of town cop?

bji + ico?

Why are you wiling to propose the above without even hearing from Sky? Are Looker and Sky confirmed town for you? If so, can you give a brief summary of your reasoning on both, because I'm not nearly as confident as you seem to be on either.

Who

are

you confident on? Is it just bob?

What does 'joat' mean? I searched google and found nothing.

You've been playing since 2014 and you've not come into contact with this term?

How much theater do I have to read?

Well, Looker lolhammered chemist’s doc claim

I feel that you know that this isn't true.

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• Are people just playing for self-preservation at this point?
  
• You guys are insulting bji by constantly asking why he didn't NK you.
  
• Post 1234 don't seem so bad now, huh

[Looker]

Not sure why you asked about where I'm considering voting if we have nothing to work out. and you've regularly been considering scum teams that don't have me in them. but also I'm such a strong scum read you're going to shut me out? I don't really get that. I just wanted to understand why you were considering icon because I think that's crazy talk, and I think you're a town vote that we can't afford to have voting wrong.

I've been far more straightforward with my suspicions than you've been. It's easy to hold me to my allegations - you not so much. Especially when you were asking for everyone else's reasonings before placing down suspicions of your own. "YoU'rE a ToWn VoTE that wE cAn't AfFord tO HaVe VotiNg WroNg" is very cute, though, so nice work.

Looker's claim if false would throw off town's evaluation of scum power. Just something to keep in mind as we all delve further into setup spec discussion that Slaxx did not want us to do (but I personally have no problem with).

Are you trying to set up a lynch so that you feel better shooting Ico tonight?

In post 3312, bji wrote:
What does 'joat' mean? I searched google and found nothing.

You've been playing since 2014 and you've not come into contact with this term?

How much theater do I have to read?

Check my history if you want. I have never played in any game with such a role and I'm pretty sure such a role has never even been mentioned in any game I have played in.

I was referencing your familiarity with the wiki. Mafia wiki's not a new concept.

BJI what is your current solve in this game?

Bob

then Looker or Micc

Are you positing that I am equally as scummy as Micc?

So are you 100% confident on looker. As you seem to push looker your certainty must be high. What is your explanation for why looker hammered hsi scum buddy that had just claimed doctor.

I am not pushing Looker. Why do you keep saying that I am pushing Looker?

I have Looker as scum by PoE.

Looker's hammer is NAI in my opinion. Scum could have done it for town credit when the chem lynch was

clearly

going to happen at the end of D1. Maybe even quick hammering just to be sure to get the credit and not be left off the wagon. But I can easily see a town player hammering there as well, because they are as convinced as I was that the lynch was going to happen, and just did it to get it over with.

Are you saying that positing me as scum is not pushing me? "Clearly" is subjective and conjecture on your part.

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• Who are you following tonight, Ico? Or is that not important to you anymore?
  
• Defend me, bob!

[Looker]

Nobody ever votes Menalque

[Looker]

VOTE: Menalque

[Looker]

Damn. Got distracted by poor players, but, otherwise, my votes were pretty good.

[Looker]

it says that it is definitely not the fault of the person who subbed into that scum PR slot at L-2

I was rooting for you

[Looker]

So flattering