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[Black]

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[Black]

Hi Comet! I still feel bad about our newbie game so I've decided to townread you no matter what this game

That's right. If you have an issue with Comet you have to go through me first. She's town

[Black]

Hi Comet! I still feel bad about our newbie game so I've decided to townread you no matter what this game

That's right. If you have an issue with Comet you have to go through me first. She's town

Can we go through you without going through Comet?

Yes but only you

[Black]

Hi Comet! I still feel bad about our newbie game so I've decided to townread you no matter what this game

HA! I definitely didn't play perfectly that game either, all good!

I signed up for this game to make it up to you

It will be my final vow

[Black]

Hi, everyone!

RVS is not a thing anymore? (I've returned after 5 years or so.)

VOTE: BLack

What makes you think RVS is gone when two people have already voted?

[Black]

VOTE: Aneninen

I will accept the explanation but I will not tolerate Umbreon slander

[Black]

I know this isn't technically newbie's queue anymore but it might be helpful if we all know each other's general level of experience as I know this game was hosted sorta as a newbie-friendly setting.

I just saw this question, seems like a fun experiment

I've been playing seriously since January and I have about 20 games under my belt. I would say I'm semi-experienced but I still feel new at times

I miss the newbie queue

[Black]

I got so many pockets, you can call me Men's Jeans.

[Black]

Hello!

This is my first game here, and I played mafia years ago on other sites. The rules are different than what I remember, and this style of "get half of the votes and you are eliminated and the day ends" is def new.

I'll be sporadic in my posting, fitting the game around a busy life

Hai!

This is my first ever game, on any site... please be gentle

Hi! And welcome!

[Black]

Hi Comet! I still feel bad about our newbie game so I've decided to townread you no matter what this game

That's right. If you have an issue with Comet you have to go through me first. She's town

I think I like this approach by black because it might look fishy and maybe if she is scum she doesn't decide to open the game with this

otoh maybe this is that pre-rand thought or whatever she had and thought of opening the game with this line regardless

but I feel like this is more likely organic so I've decided to townlean it

fwiw I decided to pocket Comet when I signed up to the game. This feels like a good thought progression though

[Black]

Morning everyone, That Black wagon...

VOTE: DragonEater70

What about it?

[Black]

Cometbright.
Irrelevant fluff about past games. Generally "trying to be nice" style. Trying to pocket Black.
Lean scum

Comet is town

[Black]

I agree with Gimli. DE70 feels townie so far

[Black]

I didn't really get that vibe. I don't think anyone is ever in danger of getting faded in RVS

[Black]

I feel like I'm going to have trouble reading Knott this game.

Same

[Black]

I think I like VIP's 112. It made me cackle and I like that he's asking questions and getting involved

[Black]

I wanted to make a readslist like the cool kids but I don't have any scumreads yet so it looks weird

Comet

Gimli
Python
VIP
DE70

Timmer
Afrayed
Kittie

[Black]

Updated readslist:

Comet

Gimli
Python
VIP
DE70

Timmer
Afrayed
Kittie

Black

[Black]

Is sheeping Comet interesting?

VOTE: Timmer

I'm down to pressure here

[Black]

I think that's e-2

[Black]

Comet is town

[Black]

Also like saying "Black locktown confirmed" and then putting her number 3 in your reads is ???

I don't want to speak for Comet but I'm 99% sure that was a joke

[Black]

You can tell by the fact that she's not townlocking both of me and you, and her hesitation on us is really forced.

Ironically I think your read here feels a little forced

[Black]

UNVOTE:

Why did you unvote here?

[Black]

I'm fine with your pedit explanation for now. Don't rush me

[Black]

Kittie feels very honest and genuine in her thoughts and pretty much how I would expect newtown to play

[Black]

Kittie I think you mentioned your partner plays here. Are you getting any coaching from them at all?

[Black]

Yeah Comet is town

Kittie can be town for now

[Black]

VIP what is your mafia experience like? You said you haven't played in 5 years but how experienced were you before you took a break?

[Black]

I'm going to be a bit busy this weekend, just a heads up

[Black]

Scumhunting wise though I don't think anyone's given off a strong "This dude scum fr fr" vibe yet

Dragon/Gimli/Kittie/Python in the townpool

Comet/VIP get a pass

Black's good enough at scum that we're not catching her d1

Knott's the hard to read aggro type player that can get away with a lot as scum but that's not really scum indicative

Tim isn't really giving off townvibes but that could be due to my eyes glazing over when I see wallposts with no quotes

This feels like my reads list put into words

Regarding VIP, I'm more wary here after he talked about his experience level. I was putting him in the same category as Kittie because I thought they were both fairly new players with the off the wall reads, but I don't think I'm willing to give VIP the same pass as Kittie anymore

[Black]

Tim's response to pressure was ok enough to move on for now

VOTE: VIP

[Black]

Erm... Kittie clearly told us that she was new. I clearly told you that I'd back after 5 years. Knott and I even talked out our common meta. In what universe does it add up to put Kittie and me on the same experience level?

Your early posts gave me the same vibe as Kittie's where the reads felt genuine but also a little convoluted and wrong. I typically associate that with new town but you clarified you're not new so I need to reevaluate

[Black]

I decided I like Black this game

What prompted this thought?

IDK DE,

you're being overly sure of things

I need more Black in this game

This is cute but you'll have to wait for the weekend to be over

[Black]

That hammer is pretty sus

[Black]

I think it was yeah. He didn't even get the chance to claim lol

If VIP flips town I think DE70 and Python have the worst votes on the wagon

[Black]

Oh I'm an idiot

[Black]

Oh I'm an idiot

ngl we thought you were playing along

Normally I would but it was kinda rude of you to try this before I've had coffee

[Black]

VIP gets -town points for prioritizing double checking the votes instead of writing down final thoughts

I'm not sure I agree with this. If I'm flashwagoned I'm going to make sure I'm actually faded before I do anything

[Black]

VOTE: VIP

I guess I can kill that which I don't understand

UNVOTE: VIP

what

Gimli this confuses me. If you thought Python hammered then your unvote doesn't do anything. You seemed fine putting VIP at e-1 so why the sudden fear over a fake hammer test?

[Black]

Gimli this confuses me. If you thought Python hammered then your unvote doesn't do anything. You seemed fine putting VIP at e-1 so why the sudden fear over a fake hammer test?

^I was thinking this but you've put it into coherent words.

Well you are town so it doesn't surprise me we're on the same wavelength

[Black]

VIP was never near hammer and my surprise was that I initially thought people thought VIP was hammered

I unvoted cause I thought for a second it was L-1 and not python trolling (don't wanna put anyone in L-1)

You put VIP at e-1 after DE70 voted them. I'm not sure I'm buying that you didn't actually know this

[Black]

That's believable but why would you think VIP was at e-1 if you also thought it was a brand new wagon with 3 votes?

[Black]

I would like to sort you before I kill you if that's ok

[Black]

That's relatable

I kinda want to believe this is genuine town clumsiness and not scummy AtE, but part of me is just really hoping you are town so we might have another Death Note moment

[Black]

I have to go watch the Panthers lose again but I'll try to check back in later tonight

[Black]

Okay guys hold your horses

What happened in these last 2 pages that you went from Python scum to Gimli scum?

Why would you stop at the hammer and then come to read this page and ask this?

[Black]

Why would you stop at the hammer and then come to read this page and ask this?

I saw the hammer, post a response, then saw you guys talking about gimli and responded to that.

Ok that's fair. I would probably just read instead of asking that personally but I don't really think it's scummy. A little performative but not really alignment indicative

[Black]

I think it was yeah. He didn't even get the chance to claim lol

If VIP flips town I think DE70 and Python have the worst votes on the wagon

why was DEs vote any worse than gimli's?

Gimli voted in his PoE and it felt more natural. DE70 townread VIP and was pushing Kittie but then moved to VIP anyway. Jumping on the mobile wagon felt opportunistic

[Black]

Gimli can you answer 268

[Black]

Python you wanted to generate content by jumping on wagons, didn't you? Let's do this.

VOTE: black

NOTE: DO NOT HAMMER BLACK OR YOU WILL BE POLICY LIMMED

This note feels weird. I'm at e-4...

[Black]

Dragon why do you keep trying to run yourself up?

[Black]

UNVOTE:

I'm having a rough day so I'm not sure how much I'll be able to post but I don't want anyone to hammer before I can catch up

[Black]

Ok I am here today. Let me make some coffee and then I'll look over what I missed

[Black]

*camera pans to Black still laying in bed*

Alright alright I'll get up. I lost my job yesterday so I'm just slightly depressed

[Black]

378 and 384 - I kinda like these posts by DE. They feel like actual attempts to sort VIP and Timmer

Still, there's one thing that disturbs me.
Python's "trollhammer" gave a lot of momentum to this game. Why do you think it was a good timing to do as you described? Especially since there are still players who's given zero reaction on my wagon or the "trollhammer". (Why is it called "meme" anyway?)

I was thinking something similar. DE said he was trying to spice things up by having people do something, but his whole "let's build some wagons" thing happened right after Python's fake hammer. I think DE even said something like the fake hammer brought the game alive so I'm not sure why DE felt like he had to do something there to spice things up. I like that VIP noticed this too

I like Afrayed's 388. This just feels like a genuine summary of the game from his POV. It seems like he's considering things and altering his view based on those things and I find that townie

I also like 391 and Afrayed's self-awareness that he's defending himself a lot and that people seem to find that scummy. Fwiw I think townies defend themselves all the time. It's pretty NAI. I think the way you defend yourself can be AI though

What did I do to fall off your list… between these two posts. I haven’t posted in all until now. Or are you completing someone else’s list?

I think you're misunderstanding Comet here. 305 was going over the votes on the VIP wagon

395 seems fine but the beginning of the post doesn't quite match the vote. If Kittie/Timmer/Comet are clear choices then why is the rest of the post and the vote about VIP?

I kinda like 396 and 397 by VIP

If you want you can also call it a policy lim - do you really want town!VIP in F5? I don't. But again this probably has >rand chance to flip scum, and considering the current gamestate I'd take that over a completely random person.

I don't like this. It feels like DE is already apologizing for a misfade

VOTE: Knott

Okay I think this is literally the point this game got of RVS and things are getting spicy.

This feels weird too. We've been out of RVS for like 15 pages haha. And I don't think I like the vote on Afrayed here

I can see the thought process behind Comet's 432 but I don't necessarily think Afrayed's vote had malicious intent

438 feels honest. 441 is a good follow-up

Like I don't think anything actually alignment indicative happened before page 16 if I'm being honest, and you won't be getting any associatives from anything before that.

Do you actually believe this?

I like 452[post] and [post]453 by DE. I don't think mediating an argument is town indicative but this particular case feels like it. I don't understand the motive behind scum!DE posting these instead of just letting the momentum build on Afrayed. Afrayed/DE could be a partnered I guess but I think it would be risky for DE to stick his neck out like this

Just to clarify, I still think Comet is town here.

Comet is town

I feel like I did pretty clearly state why what he did has scum-alignment in #432. Now yes, he can say this was a mistake and that he actually hadn't completed that post before voting but as I said in #433 this isn't something we can confirm is town!Knott realising he made a mistake and clarifying or if it's scum!Knott realising he made a mistake and is now coming up with a reason for it.

Exactly this. I'm assuming you didn't get the same genuine vibes from Afrayed's posting there as I did?

I dunno, maybe I'm being too harsh/laser-focused here? It's not like we have anything really that strong to go off so this combined with the statistics I mentioned in #419 and the fact that Knott is going to be a hard read this game makes me comfortable with a vote on him.

I think you have a decent point and it feels like you actually believe this instead of you just pushing it based on an agenda. I don't think the case is very strong but we don't really have anything strong atm

I like A's little reread in 467 and 468 and I like the conclusion. Tim feels really lurky

There is one other thing here that erks me greatly, I have had a scum vibe from Comet for a while and her presence on my list has nothing whatsoever to do with her vote on me.

Why haven't you voted for Comet then? Your VIP vote feels a little weirder now after reading this comment

[Black]

VOTE: Timmer

That's e-1. What are your thoughts on the game?

[Black]

I like Kittie's 498 and 499. I'm still getting newtown vibes here with the things she is choosing to focus on and push. I like that she reevaluated her Gimli/Python solve at the end of 499 and is considering VIP as a Gimli partner instead. It all just feels real to me even if I disagree with some of the reasons and the conclusion

[Black]

That's believable but can you at least try to come up with something?

[Black]

My problem is that my traditional scum-hunting route is to ignore day 1, which is usually fluff, and wait for an elim, which in my mafia world usually was within the first 48 hours. Once that happened and then a night 1 death went through or didn't, I would start to analyze how people talked to each other, how they voted and most importantly when, and in what order. I'd look to find where the scum were hidden in voting patterns etc.

But this game so far, I don't see how I can really provide a read yet, because everything that everyone is saying is completely plausible as both town and scum, if they are good players. A good player can EASILY be scum and post pro-townie, ESPECIALLY on day 1. So when you guys are asking me for my thoguhts, I have none because I've got NOTHING that feels truly scummy to point to. Any of the posts made in this game up to now could easily be either alignment.

Meh. I like this post and I agree with a lot of what is being said here. I think I'm ok letting Timmer cook D2

UNVOTE:

[Black]

I'll go with a random feeling I have

VOTE: usespython

Would you mind elaborating on said feeling?

[Black]

VOTE: usesPython

[Black]

Am I the only one who found Black's catchup a bit empty compared to its length? (But I try not to be an aßwhole, knowing the IRL events this may be NAI.)

What feels empty about it?

Why is that vote?
Why is Timmer so scummy? Only his lurkiness?

I thought the pressure would be valuable to read Timmer. Based on his reaction I feel like I was right

[Black]

Like Black the overall vibe feels like the first newbie game we played with you where you were scum

-A

I'm interested in this read. Go on

[Black]

In the background and present but not memorable, but when you read the actual posts you see stuff that technically counts as content even though your brain skips over it

Ok. What prompted this read?

[Black]

It falls off into full on lurking after the 200th-ish post but for the parts where he's actually playing that's the vibe I'm getting

-A

?

[Black]

In the background and present but not memorable, but when you read the actual posts you see stuff that technically counts as content even though your brain skips over it

Ok. What prompted this read?

wdym?

-A

What in particular made you feel this way?

[Black]

I'm trying to figure out if this read is real or if you're throwing it out now to discredit me after I voted for you

Like if you've felt this way about me why did you wait until now to say something?

[Black]

Ugh. I completely misunderstood -_-

[Black]

526 makes sense now. My bad

[Black]

Looking over Tim's early stuff, the main difference I'm noticing is that he has some original points. In Newbie 2111 I pretty much sheeped people early and often

I'm willing to let Tim live for now in order to get a better read on whether his stuff is genuine or not

[Black]

I'm lock clearing comet

I did it before it was cool

[Black]

@

Black

- I didn’t vote for Commet as there was nothing moving on her, and then one of my other lim listers stared to role so I jumped on it. I voted for VIP to put a little pressure on as the game was IS going slowly. Nothing but big walls and lurkers, until now. seems the lurkers have awoken

Not voting your main scumread because no one else is voting them seems weird. I can understand this if it were later in the Day closer to the deadline but what is the point of not voting there this early in the game?

So you think the more votes someone throws down then they are scum, is that your bottom line?

If someone is voting a ton, but always for people who already have votes, it pings me big time.

And if someone votes as much as they have and then says they are trying to catch up, it makes no sense to me.

Lots of votes with original thoughts = town

Lots of votes on other people's work = scum

I actually agree with this somewhat. This isn't always the case but I think scum are way more likely to have unoriginal thoughts and votes

[Black]

I actually agree with this somewhat.

This isn't always the case

but I think scum are way more likely to have unoriginal thoughts and votes

Is it the case with me?

I think you are asking me for a meta read on you here and I don't really have one

[Black]

Well you have over 5k posts on the site, so I'd say you prob know how mafia is played here?

Fwiw I have over 6k posts here and I'm still trying to figure it out

[Black]

593 gives me genuine townie frustration vibes, though I guess Timmer would probably be frustrated as scum here too

[Black]

Black get better reads so we can sheep you

If people could do more alignment indicative things that would be cool

You're the second person to say they want to sheep me though. D1 probably isn't the best time to do that. Let me see a couple flips and then I'll cook

[Black]

When I compare Timmer's frustration with not knowing what to do this game with Gimli's I don't think these feel the same

Timmer seems to be trying to work through his issues with the game and still contribute, whereas it feels like Gimli might be trying to use it as an excuse to lurk and not do much. I'm not really a fan of these two posts being so close to each other:

Ok I am here today. Let me make some coffee and then I'll look over what I missed

do your thing and let me sheep you

comet I want you to know I'm sheeping you, whoever you think is mafia I trust your insticts with it

I don't think I can find them

They feel kinda pockety and the "I don't think I can find them" doesn't really feel like a natural thought Gimli would have 20 pages into a game

[Black]

1. Regarding kittie/Giml: Yes, that's true that town changes their opinions, however I don't see how this should affect my read on kittie? I just liked the thought process and critical thinking there, and Idk if I'm actually scum reading Gimli based off that.

Huh?

Wow I LOVE kittie's case on Gimli. kittie has really won me over as being town.

Anyway I'm sold on scum Gimli tbh

Huh?

So you didn't scum read Gimli based on Kittie's case? I interpreted 540 as you indeed thinking it was a strong case and subsequently agreeing that Gimli was scummy.

This is a good point

[Black]

I think I'm in between a DE70 and Gimli vote atm. I've gotten pings both ways here. I want to look over both ISO's tomorrow morning when I get time

[Black]

I feel like limming inside Gimli/Black/Comet/DE is significantly more likely to hit red than Knott/Kittie/Tim/VIP

-A

Yeah I agree with this

[Black]

Replace me with you though

[Black]

I liked Timmer's case/scumhunting post more than I liked Kittie's.

Why?

[Black]

I feel like Tim's case is more likely to be accurate and also more likely to come from scum compared to kittie

-A

If you think Tim's case is more likely to be accurate then why are you voting for Gimli instead of DE70?

[Black]

The only thing I found odd, and I would love to hear thoughts from Black on this, is that arguably the player she has been consistently negative towards is Gimli, yet Gimli has never received a vote from Black.

I'm not sure how you can read my whole ISO and come to the conclusion that I have been consistently negative towards Gimli

[Black]

I guess I read the term "consistently negative" and assumed you meant I haven't expressed any thoughts regarding Gimli being town, which isn't true. But I understand your position better now

IT's a fair bit of "i don't trust you" from you to them. What I found odd was the lack of a corresponding vote anywhere

I don't think it's scummy to distrust someone and not vote them yet. #313 should imply that I'm still trying to sort him

I really just wanted to hear you elaborate on where you are at re: Gimli.

I don't like the way Gimli has been interacting with this game. In the last game we played together he was hyper active and solvey and I'm not getting those same vibes here. I've considered Gimli's excuse of not knowing what to do and just wanting to sheep people but it doesn't really feel genuine

So yeah I think I'm ok with a vote here but I want to look over a couple things before we rush to fade anyone

[Black]

I'm not a huge fan of him sneaking a vote in on Gimli after I expressed that I wouldn't mind voting there

[Black]

The reaction to the fake hammer is interesting... I'm trying to think it through from their pov, and

I'm struggling to find anything townie about it.

So when you guys are asking me for my thoguhts, I have none because I've got NOTHING that feels truly scummy to point to. Any of the posts made in this game up to now could easily be either alignment.

This is weird too. I think Timmer could have reevaluated here but that would imply that he initially didn't really read through the game and made this up about all posts coming from either alignment

[Black]

idk how I feel about Tim going from

to actually being active and useful

I have no idea wtf in supposed to say to this. This is the same bullshit I got from Afrayed. So I'll go back to saying nothing, this site is infuriating.

I'm not a huge fan of him sneaking a vote in on Gimli after I expressed that I wouldn't mind voting there

I made a breakdown of my thoughts on gimli after reading his iso which I said I would do last night. And that post took awhile to write and study up on. You made your post while I was writing mine.

But again, I'll just go back to shutting up, this site seems to not allow people to try to play after having a rough start.

I would like it if you tried to not get so defensive about people calling out inconsistencies in your play. You can't just throw a fit every time someone does this

I agree that the timestamps indicate you were writing your Gimli post as I was writing mine. I didn't have an issue with that post. It was the vote 3 minutes later that I thought could have been influenced by me saying I'm willing to vote therr

[Black]

I apologize, it is something that always has bothered me about mafia. Someone says they are either lost or overwhelmed and everyone says they should try more and they do and then everyone says wait, what's this?

I understand the emotion involved. I'm guilty of this too (on more occasions than I can count). And I apologize if my comment seemed snarky. I just have a hard time reading AtE and it seems like you're using it a lot in this game

A lot of people have said that they don't really want to fade you today so if you are town then I think you should probably just relax and keep doing your thing

So at this point, I am expecting people to start following up their scum reads with votes which is why I did that. If my vibe on that is off, please explain how as I don't want to misunderstand the style here. But waiting until day 9 or 9.5 as a policy doesn't seem very smart to me.

No your vibe is fine. Our goal here is to sort out the liars from the truth tellers. If I see something that could potentially be scum motivated then I'm going to point it out and engage with you about it to figure out if the read is correct. My advice would be to try not to take this as a personal attack or assume it's anything you're doing wrong

[Black]

Also, I got the sense that I just made a breakdown of thoughts on Gimli and the people who payed since the aren't bothering to respond to my thoughts on it, instead taking about how I've changed. So it felt a bit like I wasted my morning *shrug*

I liked your Gimli post and I would rather wait for Gimli to respond before I say anything about it

[Black]

Afrayed is probably town for thinking there's 3 scum

[Black]

Also Gimli is at e-1

[Black]

Afrayed is probably town for thinking there's 3 scum

Also Gimli is at e-1

WTF are these two posts? They are not town posts.

Why not? This just feels like confirmation bias

[Black]

It's actually ridiculous that she's being this townread for basically repeating "Comet is town", reacting to a bunch of posts calling them weird, and that's pretty much it.

This seems like you should have an issue with the people townreading me tbh

Like if you actually look at how Black reacted to:
My fake push on her
Python's trollhammer
Gimli's unvote
It's a bunch of commentary that doesn't actually commit to any reads.

I rarely commit to reads early in a game. Why do you think this is alignment indicative for me?

Another thing that pinged me is the readlist in 119 which just sucks.

I'm sorry you didn't like my page 5 readslist XD

IDK what even is the point of that post.

It was a catchup post. I was quoting and responding to things as I read them so yeah it makes perfect sense for me to like some of your stuff and not like others

I feel like Black has been just coasting and blending in without any attempt to find scum.

Obviously I'm biased but I disagree with this assessment of my play this game

ALSO, I feel like she's been chopping up conversation, A LOT. You know how Comet and Gimli complained about this gamestate sucking and scum being able to just misfade a random townie easily? Black's posting has been designed to stop as many wagons as possible from occurring, so as to get town to give up and just drift into not solving the game and doing a random compromise vote.

Can you elaborate on this point? How am I trying to stop wagons from forming?

[Black]

I think it's a little ridiculous of you to insinuate I didn't make a conclusion on your slot when I said I want to vote between you and Gimli today

[Black]

Why not? This just feels like confirmation bias

It is.

But confirmation bias is not

necessarily

wrong here.

If you can't explain why town doesn't make those posts then yeah I would consider it to be wrong

I will explain my case on Gimli/Python later MAYBE, but tbh I just wanna lim Black ASAP and I'm sure this flips red 100% of time.

Why not? This just feels like confirmation bias

Can you like actually give a read on my slot if you are town?

Which is it? Am I 100% scum or do you think I could be town?

This whole push feels like an attempt to get me to say a definitive read on you and that's just not happening. You're hard to read. Even this push is hard to read. You came in, noticed you were being voted, acknowledged that you don't have original reads, and then ignored your own promise to read and catch up just so you could push an original read (me). Then you used stuff from page 5 in your case when I feel like if you really thought my readslist was awful then you would have said something then. It feels a little forced, just like your early Comet push, but I'm not convinced you wouldn't do these things as town

[Black]

Dragon if you want me to get a better read on you then you should answer my questions in 706

[Black]

you're obviously probably maybe a townie

The wording here made me lol. Careful or DE70 will accuse you of not committing to a read

[Black]

I don't like how DE70 doesn't think I'm townie at all but doesn't seem to have any interest in questioning the reads of people that townread me

[Black]

in what way should he question them?

If someone I think is 100% scum got a few townreads I would be interested in determining if those townreads were real or not, though I suppose he could be considering this internally

[Black]

Who said that Black has not once voted for Gimli, and is that still the case? If Black isn’t voting and still feels as they do about Gimli, why no Vote?

I touched on this in 660

[Black]

Since then things have changed and I think I'm ok leaving Gimli around to get his footing in the game. If he's town then I think he'll be useful once he's able to do so

VOTE: DE70

[Black]

I'm not interested in a Kittie lim tbh

[Black]

DE feels like tryharding scum cause he is boring me and he is not boring

This doesn't feel like scum!DE tbh

Can you elaborate on this?

[Black]

Like scum!DE can't scumcase that well without just sheeping or going "vibes", him actually tryhard casing here doesn't fit what we'd expect from scum!DE

I'm not familiar with DE's scum game but I feel like it would make perfect sense for him to go into tryhard mode after people suspected him of doing what he normally does as scum

[Black]

Afrayed is probably town for thinking there's 3 scum

Damn it.

I actually think this is an annoyingly good point.

I feel Black and Timmer for definite. And then one of you or Gimli

But then why would a townie be *this* confident!? Arghhhhh

There's a world where he's pretending for the town cred but I don't think it's likely

[Black]

Ok as soon as I say that I see this post

Well Gimli claimed Scum,

Comet has not caught up

, VIP is still reading me as scum, As is Timmer, but he’s just anxious chap who is probably town after all that boohoo stuff.

Is Gimli setting up Kittie?? Must be or is it WIFOM.

I have no idea about python, and if they are scum we are screwed. Dragon joins and leaves people’s scum lists like a bus schedule.

D2 will be fun

This feels more performative than the others. Like why even include the bolded part? It feels like a summary of the gamestate in the eyes of an Afrayed that is caught up but is pretending to not be caught up, if that makes sense. If Afrayed is scum then I think he noticed the townreads based off of his 3-person mafia play and is leaning into that whole "I'm not sure what's going on" thing. I still think he's probably town though

[Black]

VOTE: Black

Are you voting Black for not voting for Gimli because you think Gimli is scum? Shouldn't you be voting Gimli to confirm if he's scum before then going on Black?

Interested in the answer to this.

Why? Tell you what, too answer all my questions to you and I’ll answer this

Actually no. I will answer it. Black you and either Gimli or VIP were my scum reads Gimli was at E1 I was interested to see what Black did, considering they hadn’t voted for Gimli. So I put my vote there.

This just seems like a weird way to get me to join the Gimli wagon?

[Black]

Since then things have changed and I think I'm ok leaving Gimli around to get his footing in the game. If he's town then I think he'll be useful once he's able to do so

VOTE: DE70

Can you go a bit more into what exactly has changed? I feel like I (and at least one other player, I forget who) have noted that you talked up being sus of gimli but never put your vote where your posts were. And here at gimli e-1 you did this. So what exactly makes you suddenly feel like gimli is ok? I ask because something i watch for (and it is more helpful once some players' alignments are known) is players who talk sus about someone but never commit to it and leave off of it as soon as that player is in heat.

I said yesterday that I was probably going to vote between Gimli and DE today. I wanted to look over their ISO's but I didn't really get the chance today, so this decision was based off of Gimli showing up and actually trying to play the game combined with DE showing up with his weird push on me

[Black]

I know this is lame af but I'm trying to get more sleep these days so I will answer you tomorrow, Black.

Sorry.

So this is just not happening then?

[Black]

I know this is lame af but I'm trying to get more sleep these days so I will answer you tomorrow, Black.

Sorry.

So this is just not happening then?

I literally said I would answer this later today, like 2 posts above.

And then you declared intent to hammer. Hopefully you understand why it seemed like you were going to end the day without responding

[Black]

I think its kittie and one of black/de

hammer away <3

Will you wagon Black with me then?

So you got the claim out of Gimli and now you want to get one out of me?

I don't think this flips town

[Black]

I'm at e-1 less than 12 hours into the day? Cool, cool

DE/VIP is my hero solve and I think they are acting a little too casual about me being at e-1 so quickly. I think town players are more likely to play this slower and not risk the Day ending this soon. It only helps scum to fade this fast

I think the way DE positioned himself at the end of D1 was pretty scummy so I'm still down to go there today. I'll elaborate on this more when I get to a computer, but for now I'll

VOTE: DE70

[Black]

Hi so this game where black was scum just ended: viewtopic.php?t=91649

I skimmed that game back when it was in Day 1 and Black stood out to me as scum. So that makes me feel slightly better about my scumread of her this game.

Also, please don't murder me if I'm wrong because this was some weeks ago, but I do think Black's treatment of Comet here is reminiscent of her treatment of Aureal in that game. If you really want me to I might check it again later today to really compare.

Talk to me about why you scum read my play that game. How does that read compare to your read on me this game?

Also your Aureal comment is either a scummy misrep or pure conf bias

[Black]

I'll respond to the rest later

[Black]

Something came up and I won't be able to post today but I will get around to this first thing tomorrow morning

[Black]

Thank you so much for modding Ffery! Easily one of my favorite mods. And thank you as well backup mods

The replacements definitely hurt scum a lot, honestly Black/VIP scumteam would have probably screwed me.

Yeah I was pretty bummed I had to replace out of a scum game. Life sucks sometimes but it's slightly better now at least

Oh - utterly fantastic jailkeeping btw Timmer - seriously, very well played.

Like if you hadn't jailkept Dann and blocked him there resulting in a final four of me, Dann, Knott and Kittie? I would have literally never voted Dann there unless something truly bad happened.

I wanted to echo this. Timmer you are goated for this. Very well played!

[Black]

gg wp

Watching you almost weasel your way out of one of the worst situations I've seen was very entertaining. I love the way you play the game. Super unlucky with the JK targets but you almost got there

[Black]

this game is a scum win fyi

I think it would have been if Timmer didn't go super Saiyan god mode

[Black]

But my case was apparently correct and I was apparently correct about her reaction being "caught for the wrong reasons"

Your case was bad but yes you somehow got lucky and had a correct end result lol

Dann is very persuasive. He played almost perfectly. I would have unvoted myself at the end there because I don't think the others were going to vote him. Still, even if he lived, he had an uphill battle ahead of him

[Black]

Thank you all for helping pop my mafia cherry!

'twas fun think I'll play again!

You were a pleasure to play with. I hope you stick around!