Mini 1749: Classic Rock Mafia: Game Over!

[Frozen Angel]

sorry about my lack of posting

i just didn't felt the need to post anything

intend to hammer ABR becuase of all the discussed thing

being ascetic is not townish atm

[Frozen Angel]

I really don't know. How do we know the Miller claim is not bullshit and Albert B. had not thought it through?

I don't know

But miller claimed in day 1 didn't he? ABR didn't claimed his role

[Frozen Angel]

Should he have claimed D1 like the Miller?

whats different about his role from miller?!

[Frozen Angel]

Imagine that I voted for him, too. I just know you love the hammering part, FA.

if there is nothing to be discussed

VOTE: Albert

[Frozen Angel]

[Frozen Angel]

Come on RC

Someday I will mod one game your inside and I can really piss you off as well ...

[Frozen Angel]

Ok

I' drunk - ALERT

I think I was wrong about Garmr then or he made a gambit last night ? .... AI - Aj - Dire and Aero

there is scum in this 4 if we believe Garmr claim

[Frozen Angel]

I think I was wrong about Garmr then

in neighbour pt. I joined the neighbors party last night.

[Frozen Angel]

who you bodyguarded Garmr? If its aero then the scum will be in AI - Aj - Dire

[Frozen Angel]

What's this about bodyguard? Bodyguard dies if the guarded player is killed.

he said bp bodyguard?

[Frozen Angel]

He accused me of bussing FB and ABR and said I the thing ABR caught in day 1 was an actual slip

I answered that in thread. if Gramr is not scum and that wasn't a gambit to just frame everyone else and make himself to look town till the the end "becuase two of his scum buddies are dead" I think its direfire.

[Frozen Angel]

and this was my answer in thread wich he never answered me after :

1 - siriously ..... I said I don't see the same attitude coming from ABR then. I wasn't sure about it.

2 - That read list was before FB scum claim who should I knew that FB is the scum then?! I'm not a super saint

3 - ABR stated he is scum reading me in day 2. like 3 or 4 times ... wtf are you talking about?

I'm town. I was the one who were asking a vig shot on FB day 1. I was the one who hammered FB without hesitation. and I was pushing ABR lynch.

[Frozen Angel]

He said my posts were like someone who were bussing his partner

I answered :

So I was busying whole game long ? lol

I'm kind of proven town atm. How the fuck you can't see that. ABR pressured me in day 1. I found both scums ...

and you fucking accusing me off busying for whole tha game?

[Frozen Angel]

and this was my answer in thread wich he never answered me after :

1 - siriously ..... I said I don't see the same attitude coming from ABR then. I wasn't sure about it.

2 - That read list was before FB scum claim who should I knew that FB is the scum then?! I'm not a super saint

3 - ABR stated he is scum reading me in day 2. like 3 or 4 times ... wtf are you talking about?

I'm town. I was the one who were asking a vig shot on FB day 1. I was the one who hammered FB without hesitation. and I was pushing ABR lynch.

Busy with my GF so i didn't post a response.

1-what does this even mean. That's nothing to do with the point.

2-I noticed how close FB and abr were. Doesn't matter were it was. Tbh that wasn't even someting I would call a slip yet you made a big deal out of it just liek abr made a big deal out of you. See the connection.

3. He stated but never followed up if he was going for a mislynch he would of pushed it which makes me feel like it was a bus.

4 Saying i'm town because I called for a fb shot doesn't make you town. Do you think that mattp was going to listen to you after declaring he would make his own choices.

5. I think it's beyond your skill level to guess who all the scum are day 1 follow it through. Also add the fact you did not get shot even when you seem like obvious town to everyone else and had all these correct reads.

6.No hesitation on the hammers make me feel like your scum even more since you pretty much know what his going to flip. You didn't let him role claim and could of potentially silenced him.

First From the Ghastly Eyrie I can see to the ends of the world, and from this vantage point I declare with utter certainty that

I have a Husband!

see your not the only one who has RL.

1 - the point was why I thought ABR wasn't bussing anyone. I never said that. in game http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=64408 ABR bussed his partner sinsce the start of day 1. I said I didn't see that yet - becuase I never try to see the intractions in day 1, thats a useless shit in my eyes . for confirmation read my posts about it in this game : http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=64753

2 - ABR tried to frame me in day 1. your posts contradict each other. once you say ABR was bussing me and trying hard to frame me then you say he completly dropped my case later on. both are false. ABR was trying to show himself super active or something and wanted to frame me for later lynches.

3 - see! you just contradicted your point 2. ABR never drop his bussing attemps in his scum games for the record. Go read his meta - I did that.

4 - I was pushing an FB lynch in day 1 and called he is definetly scum becuase of his reaction to me. what the fuck is wrong with you. ok don't call me town for it. that make me scum?

5 - I take this as an insult

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=64429 found and lynched mage in day 1
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=83&t=64520 found the scum in day 1 - lynched her in day 2
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=51&t=64215 found the scum as soon as I replaced in. won without a mislynch
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=64753 lynched scum recruiter in day 1 - took the bullet in night and vengkilled the other one in night 1
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=110&t=64831 found all the scum in day 2

Fuck off mate

6 - I won't hesitate to hammer scums. deal with it

[Frozen Angel]

for point 5 I have offsite examples as well

[Frozen Angel]

ok I'm literally angry at this point

beyond my skill ?

beyond my skill ?

[Frozen Angel]

What do you know about me? and my skills?

[Frozen Angel]

So your scum reading me becuase its beyond my skills to catch mafia ?! yeah definetly

[Frozen Angel]

wanted to mention this that Garmr is not confirmed town if I died tonight.

This can be a scum gambit - be careful town

[Frozen Angel]

Well good for you but I have been busy since my gf lives in sydney but came to where I live it's a long distance for a year till we move in together. So I been spending what little time we have together together. The fact you have a husband is none of my concern your real life doesn't impact mine freezie.

1. you said he wasn't bussing anyone yet abr was pushing radja who was also your scum read. The point of it was he overreacted to you knowing he wasn't bussing. I don't think he would overreact that way to a town member.

2.It's not called frame it's called bus. When he realized that no one really saw it as a mistake he dropped it and keeped a low profile about you being scummy. Never making a case after it.

3.No I didn't if he was going for a mislynch he would of pushed it more. This means he saw that I pointed out a potential slip knew what I was talking about straight away. Then when others didn't latch on to it backed off. If you were town he could of said he over reacted and put you in a town list to match everyone else instead he put you in his scum list.

4.Bussing is a thing.

5. Don't take it as a insult becuase I didn't mean it that way. Some of the games have other circumstances. But even through you did well in some games. I don't think anyone is at that level with out luck and lets look at your case on fire. It was the fact he he said he replaced dwlee scum slot that wasn't a slip that was a so what. Your cases on the players were lacking. Through I can give you abr since he got killed based on his role.

7 Once I accused you of scum you cried that I was possible scum in the qt pretending to be emotional to try and push a scum read on me is stupid. Now you are trying to say I'm possible scum doing a gambit because I'm scum reading you. That's pretty scummy.

that bold part was becuase your keep explaining it. I hate when people try to explain it

1 - overreact?! He was framing me duh

2 - no its called framing people. becuase I'm town. wanna quote my role pm and screw this game as well? I'm really attempted to do that right now.

3 - He went for it in the following day. he was planning to keep me for a later mislynch. it was obvious he couldn't do that in day 1.

4 - PROVE THAT I WAS BUSSING OR SHUT UP SCUM

5 - it was exactly what you meant. thats literally all my town games. LUCK IS MY ASS. I know how to read emotions.

6 - No I really think your last scum - and this was a scum gambit.

[Frozen Angel]

that 6 was your 7 answer ...

and FUCK OFF

continue to say my town game is shit and I will continue to insult you ok?

[Frozen Angel]

I was scumreading fire becuase of his response to my vote if you missed it . I knew he really scum slipped there based on that

[Frozen Angel]

That's how I play mafia

I find scums

what did you do in this whole game so far?

[Frozen Angel]

You basically did nothing in day 1 beside arguing with Mattp - pushing dwlee to talk - Bussying?! yes! *just like you* - holding middleground in everything else and making sure mathilda will get lynched over FB

what was your day 2 ? nothing till the hammer. FB claimed even night cop and you suddenly claimed a bp bodyguard. coincidence? no - this might be a scum plan.

it totally make sense for the gambit you just made today. that claim gave you ez town cred

what you did in day 3? tried to attack aero a bit - then you shield up. then ABR attacked Aero - you said You look like town - you were planning on the gambit? I think yes

"I forgot to submit a night action" in night 2 .... yeah you wanted to hold it for the lylo , weren't you?

[Frozen Angel]

VOTE: Garmr

this is the last scum

after rereading his ISO I have no doubt about it

[Frozen Angel]

That's how I play mafia

I find scums

what did you do in this whole game so far?

I lynched scum I found dwlee/fb as scum before you even considered fire bringer as scum so don't act like it was you who got him lynched. Abr wasn't nailed by you either it was nailed by the fact he was ascetic pretty much everyone town read him before the role claims..

and now I'm nailing the last scum in you. Also I got aero confirmed as town.

So what have I done all game more than you.

oh yeah? and your interaction with dwlee wasn't bussying ? you never called him scum as I can remember. I was the one who was pushing FB lynch in day 1 not you

[Frozen Angel]

VOTE: Garmr

this is the last scum

after rereading his ISO I have no doubt about it

Pretending to use emotional reasoning to change your vote to me. Is scummy as fuck.

YOUR scum

I'm not pretending to use emotions... I'm emotional

and your scum not becuase of any emotional reasons - I made a logical case against you

[Frozen Angel]

You were calling me bussing but looking at your votes - posts

nah

it was definitely you bro

[Frozen Angel]

Whiteknighting is generally when scum defends a townie for town cred. I guess I misunderstood you.

It's fine just i have dealt with to many situations like this in the past were people focus on my wording instead of what I'm actually trying to say. Sorry I got agitated.

Let we go through your Iso shall we?

[Frozen Angel]

What's the point of it when it's obviously a rvs. It like saying I like red that's why i will vote this person who likes gold then someone ask why would you do that.
What response were you expecting from the rvs?

Also why trying to push that it isn't bad to do instead of it isn't scummy that's a strange angle to come from?

I don't think it's common sense that it's RVS for a player to quote a player's rxn to a vote and then wagon that player? People rationalize things as small as an emoticon reaction for a vote. Even if it's a low-stakes beginning-of-day-1 vote with weak reasoning people still justify reads with weak reasoning early on to move RVS along and it's not foul play to engage that sort of vote to continue a dialogue

Well it's first page, I said lets wagon him and there was no case on aero thus it's obvious to see it's a rvs wagon. Also I think Dwlee would of said something if his vote was serious. It's more the fact you were trying to push yourself as harmless instead of trying to dismiss my position as weak.

hard defending Dwlee

Whiteknighting is generally when scum defends a townie for town cred. I guess I misunderstood you.

It's fine just i have dealt with to many situations like this in the past were people focus on my wording instead of what I'm actually trying to say. Sorry I got agitated.

making a push on partner - taking back soon

I take IIOA literally.
You posted information and not analysis and even admitted dont tell me I am wrong?

You don't even explain a motive or even tried to rule out town motives. The creator meant it to narrow people out who do this constantly you probably just learned the term and still using it in the way it wasn't meant to be used.

In fact You are actually doing it yourself just posting a obvious observation by saying That post is IIOA and not following up with anything. Is just stating information it self.

What i'm trying to say is that it is a information post meant to spark conversation about the wagon which no one has really brought up and so I don't forgot about it latter on when more information is available.


What I'm finding curious is even through you are town reading me you keep jumping in trying to prove I am scum
Trying to say I slipped when I didn't
Saying I haven't accomplished much (that's because people aren't listing because they are stupid and mattp is scum I can't control how bad others reads are.)
Then trying to push a information post as scummy with no reasoning.

It makes me thing you are scum.

Also you have contributed very little to this game with 44 posts most of them are junk.


VOTE: Dwlee

you can't control him in scum pt - so lets be the first one who busses him!

[Frozen Angel]

I'd say 31-33 posts of dwlees are just utter one liner trash and I don't think I have seen one post being a commitment to his read.

trying to show its a policy lynch not a scum lynch

You are using present tense for me tkwn reading you which obviously isnt the case. And oneliners are my playstyle.

What so you admit that you have provided pretty much contentless posts ok then.

chatting with teammate trying to show its a policy lynch ...

@Mathida

Who is Mafia?

Honestly I don't really know. I'm sort of hanging back and trying to see if anything rings my scumdar but not much is. But I can give you my feels at the present moment.

MattP and Garmr are interesting to me though. I am not familiar with MattP but he seems rather cocky, which can be read as being defensive. Garmr is burrowing into him like an African parasite but is that because Garmr is town and is also suspicious of him or is it because he's a scum buddy distancing himself from MattP? I have played with Garmr before and I don't remember him like this. He was scum in Mini 1741 but the whole game was a mess with one scum outing all his buddies and the game should have been scrapped rather than played out. So it's no wonder that Garmr was less active in that game. Overall though I am getting a town vibe from Garmr.

So the only one I'm happy voting for at the moment is MattP. In fact, I think I'll do that right now.

VOTE: MattP

I'm happy with a mattp lynch as well or dwlee

VOTE: mattp

back to town lynching

[Frozen Angel]

Hey Garmr, mb you should vote someone

I think dwlee was the scummiest slot but I know ds pretty well so I going to watch him carefully. Tbh I haven't looked at dier and his wagon at all since I been focused on what jumped out to me as scummy.

my partner is the scummiest slot classic BUT I'm going with dire carefully ... I want to buss my partner but I prefer to lynch [town?]

I think dwlee was the scummiest slot but I know ds pretty well so I going to watch him carefully. Tbh I haven't looked at dier and his wagon at all since I been focused on what jumped out to me as scummy.

Can you explain why you are scum reading my slot?

1. First off dwlee has contributed little to the game yet very active and engaging with people. What I'm saying is he is talking and not hunting in a majority of his posts.

2. He is extremely jumpy with me. It looks like he was trying to find a reason to vote/make me look bad me like saying the white knighting thing,the iioa incident ect.

3 When he was talking about iioa. I explained why he was using it wrong and How it was supposed to be used when a majority of posts are that way. His response didn't want to let it go and said he was using it on a individualistic bases. I then asked him why he thought that instance was scummy and what would the scummy objective behind it. He never stated a reason and flat out ignored it.

4. I pointed out a post were he implied I was town earlier game when he mentioned where did I ever say I was town. he said but that's in the past. Despite it being exactly when he accused me of iioa.

5 Tried to push not having a impact as scummy thing instead of town not agreeing with me. Acting like I have control over others.

6 Trying to push a scummy veil over me despite not ever saying he scummed read me and not admitting to it when I was pushing for his read on me. (you think he would say that when I said I thought you were town reading me)

7 Actually downplaying his skills a noob scums mistake

Idk taly.

I am super bad at scum hunting.

@mattp
Look you are either a sk or a vig and I am starting to feel like mykonian. I don't want to be like mykonian being focused on one player the whole game (me) and pretty much fucking the whole game up because they can't stop focusing that one player (his reason was the language I used TBH To be honest).

scum pt :

Garmr : FB please ask why am I scumreading you. I want a really good town cred
FB : sure!
FB : done!
Garmr : Now try to back it up! we're lynching town today

[Frozen Angel]

Garmr, I would have been willing this whole time to have productive discussion with you. Since you agree I'm not scum, it's logical to look at associative of how people responded to your push on me

I think determine radja alignment would help a lot with this. If he is town then 1 or 2 scum may of shifted from your wagon onto his.

Abr feels like town to me from my experiences with him.

Mahilda feels like scum
comparing this game to mini day 3 she plays a lot different. The way she handles her votes in that game were more care free and less cautious. The information she produced was also better quality and her opions were pushed more by her. Even through a lot of people scum read her she handled the pressure well.
=26392]here is the game

VOTE: mathilda

I'm not to sure on taly at the moment. The miller claim is pro town. But something about her makes my stomach churn.

Now its Mathilda - yes everyone is going on him - yeees! we can lynch a town member!

in scum pt : Garmr : FB you have another day to back it up.

[Frozen Angel]

Well I'm interested in how the flip will be. Noticing how after Mathilda was lynched that people are withdrawing the town reads on me to a leeser cough frozen. Which I find interesting. Could be knowledge of what mathilda will flip and they are prepping for the next day.


@frozen I am happy talking about the dwelee fire slot.

this was after the slip

showing yourself ready to buss your partner lynch

[Frozen Angel]

Well I said I like to intract with you more. You were hellish active before matt claim but just suddenly deactivated afterward.

@frozen I am happy talking about the dwelee fire slot.

well His reaction after my Vote is what I think He actually slipped there, It was like he got shocked - hanged how he could confess to such a thing .

whats your give on them?

i don't really think that's a slip but I read fire bringer as scum anyway. Since his got here he hasn't really made a case or taken a strong stance on anyone. I would expect a town firebringer to at least skitz over someone and push a lynch.

I love you fire but you rolled scum sorry.

"That wasn't a slip" "he is scum anyway" "I love you fire but your scum" typical bussying

[Frozen Angel]

Sigh matt I told you iron was the better shot.

this was twisting with veng kill. wnated to say Iron kill was a pr move. even talking about it is scummy as hell

pedit :

Wow way to twist everything to try and make me look scummy fine then lynch me then pat yourself on the back for getting a mislynch on obvious town. But if your town wallow min the fact your a emotional tantrum ruins games and you should learn not to be such a crybaby.

1 - I'm not a cry baby
2 - I'm town
3 - that was exactly what you did
4 - my emotional tantrum solves the games as well. [go back to read my meta
5 - I'm not pushing a mis lynch - your the last scum.

[Frozen Angel]

Well at this point of the game I'm lost I can see two sides starting to form and I don't know which side has the most scum on it.

trying to take the middle ground

VOTE: Firebringer

I'm sorry but you are scum this time.

Would also like to mention that when dwlee replaced out he signed up for another game. Which makes me believe it was a tactical replace out.

I also really don't trust aj the epic for some reason.

and vote partner

bussying

[Frozen Angel]

VOTE: Firebringer

I'm sorry but you are scum this time.

Would also like to mention that when dwlee replaced out he signed up for another game. Which makes me believe it was a tactical replace out.

I also really don't trust aj the epic for some reason.

I honestly think you are misguided here Garmr, and think you probably are town, I don't really care what dwlee did before in this game. Talk to me.

Get a read from me.

Do you think I am truly scum?

From you alone I don't get a scum read but dwlee man was extremely scummy I can't shake the scum off.

you know dwlee can't answer this. You can't get scum readed for voting partner based on your interactions with someone not in the game... yeah - bussing

[Frozen Angel]

Uh well I'm pretty sure Aeronaut is the neighborizer like I said yesterday. Garmr claimed bodyguard. One of them has to be lying.

Neither of us our lying about our roles. Aeronaut may be lying about his alignment but not his role.

Like I said day 1 there is no drs in this game just me the 1 shot bullet proof bodyguard. Also if you couldn't tell by dwlee attempt to make me look bad or firebringers friendly attitude (through we are on pretty good terms with each other) that I'm town I would say one is inept.

I also think scum shooting iron is more protown than scum.

They made you look bad?! lol. afraid to be accused of bussing - scum paranoia

Obvious as the day

[Frozen Angel]

1.You saying I'm offended proves otherwise
2.no you are not.
3.No you are the last scum
4.no you having a tantrum since I caught you so easily and your team mates where easy to find. Your meta means fuck all to me.
5I'm town.

1 - I'm offended becuase you tried to show me that my skills sucks that has no relation to your case
2 - yes I am
3 - lol , siriously ? and your saying so make me like 1 ?
4 - I'm always have this emotional tanturam. Go read my meta before talking. thats just simply my personality. again your case has no relation to my emotions or the fact you were voting me
5 - I really doubt that

[Frozen Angel]

VOTE: abr

I agree with his role being scum. Who would put a miller and a ascetic on the same team.

Bussing your unfortunate scum partner who has been outed based on the setup spec

[Frozen Angel]

Going back to the part you claimed

Well at this point of the game I'm lost I can see two sides starting to form and I don't know which side has the most scum on it.

basically you were intended since you reached L1 and It was obvious ...

Well I am a Even night cop.

Town is completely screwed.

Well I'm the 1 shot bullet proof body guard. Looks like I have no targets to protect so yeh.

Well I'm the 1 shot bullet proof body guard. Looks like I have no targets to protect so yeh.

If your srs they going to attack you and tomorrow is LYLO

Even night makes perfect sense since it forces me to split my protects

this was a theatrical show. Fb claims even night cop - for what?!
Garmr claims he is a bodyguard?! for what?

and we have no kill last night

this is a scum gambit

I'm calling it

[Frozen Angel]

It's funny because your trying to spin it as scummy becuase I dared thought you were scum. lol

1.it does and talking about my case instead of trying to address it with logic you used fallacy and tried to attack me.
2.No you aren't
3.no point in going you are no you are again.
4.Grow up then your not a kid.
5.Lol.

0 - wrong - try again - my case has no relation to the fact you voted me
1 - I'm not using fallacy. I'm finding out how you bussed and that gambit was awesome btw. best tactic to hold on till lylo solo
2 - yes I am
3 - keep saying I'm scum and my answer is "no I'm not"
4 - I'm grown up. I'm 20 years old who is suffering from a trauma. its you who is not grown up who is pressuring me for my personality when you can't defend yourself.
5 - lol ... scum claim?

[Frozen Angel]

I'm done here

gg town

[Frozen Angel]

lets insta lynch last scum plz

[Frozen Angel]

Wow way to twist everything to try and make me look scummy fine then lynch me then pat yourself on the back for getting a mislynch on obvious town. But if your town wallow min the fact your a emotional tantrum ruins games and you should learn not to be such a crybaby.

and I just rad this carefully again

1 - your not obv town. your indeed scum
2 - My emotions never ruins games. It solves game , if we have a problem with that we can blacklist each other. tones of players do that.

Thats me I won't change my self

pedit : your not an obv town

[Frozen Angel]

YOUR scum

I literally don't believe your claim for 1 sec

why you think scum will attack aero who you claimed you will protect last day?! this is clearly a scum gambit

[Frozen Angel]

Why should FB fake claim after his hammer?

Why should claim immediately after his claim?

Why you forgot submitting night 2 action ? [ I know its not game related but its scummy as shit ]

Why you scum try to kill aero when you claimed you will protect him?

[Frozen Angel]

I'm going paragraph after paragraph :

Ok lets get started with you accusing me of being buddies with fire. Me and fire tend to town read each other when we start games with each other. His my friend on site frozen the key word is friend something you wouldn't understand because you are the ice queen and you can see our friendship in other games. I acknowledge this fact makes me less likely to want to lynch him and is a flaw of mine.

Also you point out where I'm uncertain of dwlee but not the fact he was trying to make a bs reason to lynch me. I take my time to observe him and let him do what I want. Why would scum dwlee try to find a way to lynch me and firebringer do a 360 and try to buddy me if I was scum with them.

1 - I don't care youre friend with fire or not. I'm not scumreading you based on your friendship. I'm scumreading you becuase I feel you were bussing him. "You and him starting to town read each other" and " we are friend frozen" means nothing. if thats the case never play with FB becuase he can be scum and you might miss it becuase "makes me less likely to want to lynch him" . in this game I think you were buddies and this is not the case at all.

2 - dwlee had a very bad start. I guess you tried to attack each other to look distant if anyone of you died. and when FB came you found an opportunity to avoid lynching your friend in day 1 - you delayed it by pressuring other people after replace out and by not showing your self distant from FB you kept the opportunity of bussing in day 1.

[Frozen Angel]

How is this hard defending dwlee this is me thinking mattp is scum dwlee wouldn't need hard defending and anyone who knows my scum game knows I don't do hard defending with buddies.

Yeah I saw how you attacked him in the next post you mentioned him

[Frozen Angel]

I claimed there was no dr since the start of the game in the day phase. I also claimed a protective role night 1 in the qt aero set up and said I don't fear mafia shooting me. This was not a spur of the moment plan with firebringer involved it was a ffs moment since I believed him.

I wan't in qt

is this correct?

[Frozen Angel]

Ok so you admit scum have a day pt us town didn't know that thanks for the slip. Also not what happened trying to twist a story like this is pathetic. I actually have pushed dwlee unlike you who didn't even push fire only claiming he slipped.

I'm not admiting anything

this is the only way I can justify what happened after FB hammer [the claims]

pedit : the fuck?! I have no access to any other qt beside the one Aero let me into. stop putting in my mouth. You said you claimed protective in neighbours qt . I want others confirmation

[Frozen Angel]

Nice slip again you just shown us scum have day talk twice. Also nothing in these posts show any reasoning as to why I would be scum showing that you are more concerned with trying to make me look scummy than rather try to use facts pretty nooby scum stuff.

I'm using the facts

your scum

and I guess there is a day scum pt. that explains all your action

again stop misrepresenting me

[Frozen Angel]

How is this hard defending dwlee this is me thinking mattp is scum dwlee wouldn't need hard defending and anyone who knows my scum game knows I don't do hard defending with buddies.

Yeah I saw how you attacked him in the next post you mentioned him

Then you realize that I wasn't defending dwlee and attacking matt p on his weird approach which I thought was scummy making your point entirely worthless. Do you think before you post.

you was doing both by answering for dwlee

[Frozen Angel]

Pathetic I never said it was a policy lynch you are obvious scum twisting things.

trash != scummy

no content != scummy

although you were pushing him you were careful to show him as scum

[Frozen Angel]

Mattp was my number 1 scum read the wagon had just gained more support of course I would jump back on here. You know town doesn't know who is scum or town. But you can because your a filthy disgusting mafioso. That's why you are omgussing now.

I know how town think. I don't think you are town.

I didn't know matt was town. look how I attacked him when he vig claimed . look at the post I voted mathilda...

But I think you knew they were town.

[Frozen Angel]

Are you really that bad of the game people replacing in always generate stigma and fire is my friends that effects me to some extent. Also the support for the fire wagon wasn't there. Once you learn how to play the game and see flow and direct You can now which of your scum reads will be lynched for the day frozen. Replacing out and in cuts flow.

1 - I'm not bad of the game.
2 - stop telling I'm bad of the game to descredit me and my case against you. I can't be bad of the game and mafia in your mind. this just show your more your alignment
3 - your kidding me right? you just dropped the case becuase the support wasn't there? you really want me to believe that?

pedit : I know people think in different ways. whats this going to do with the case on you? stop "advicing" me. I know how should I play mafia. I know how to catch scum I did that before. I'm doing it now.

I made tones of real cases in day 1. don't even dare to misrepresent me

pedit 2 : I'm dead you know? there are no hope for me at all

[Frozen Angel]

If you do think that was a slip you are more than worthless he was scum for the dwlee slot through.

My being "more than a worthless" won all those games in day 1 and day 2. I know whats a real slip and whats not and that was

[Frozen Angel]

If you do think that was a slip you are more than worthless he was scum for the dwlee slot through.

My being "more than a worthless" won all those games in day 1 and day 2. I know whats a real slip and whats not and that was

I'm reporting this btw

more than a worthless is out of line.

[Frozen Angel]

Nice slip again you just shown us scum have day talk twice. Also nothing in these posts show any reasoning as to why I would be scum showing that you are more concerned with trying to make me look scummy than rather try to use facts pretty nooby scum stuff.

I'm using the facts

your scum

and I guess there is a day scum pt. that explains all your action

again stop misrepresenting me

Facts what facts there are no facts in your cases just weak pathetic emotional pleys.
Your trying to shift something I caught you out on back on me. You slipped it's ok it happens to the best of us.

Also don't use that victim complex it's annoying.

facts :

- That FB claim and your claim in follow was pre planned unless it was unnecessary.
- I think ABR was trying to show you town by attacking Aero
- You were busying your partners
- you were lying low since day 1 becuase your partners were under pressure.

[Frozen Angel]

Also don't use that victim complex it's annoying.

your misrepresenting me

I made a case against Radja. I made a case against FB

I made a case against Mathilda and ABR ...

[Frozen Angel]

Facts what facts there are no facts in your cases just

weak pathetic emotional pleys

.

saying this wont turn them into this you know?

[Frozen Angel]

I died once I'm not kidding - Stop this shit

I feel ofended.

[Frozen Angel]

1 I'm obvious town and your pushing me so you obviously are as scum you bit off more than you can chew as town you failed miserably to scum hunt.
2.Stop trying to use emotional cases and present a valid reasonign instead of newbie things like labeling things scummy with out showing a scum thought process or trying to use emotional appeal to your case.
3. Tell me who else would of jumped on fire that day?

1 - your not obv town. I'm not sure why anybody would think your obv town. your hypocrisy is more than obvious. There is nothing suggesting you are town. the fact last night was no night kill is the easy fake gambit. the fact your shoting your obvtown make me more eager that that was preplanned.

2 - I AM NOT MAKING EMOTIONAL CASES. I'M NOT NEWBIE. I KNOW HOW TO PLAY THIS GAME. I AM A VERY GOOD SCUM HUNTER . I CAN PROVE IT. I WILL SHOT IT - EVEN IN TOWN GAMES I LOST I POINTED AT SCUM AND LOST. I'M NOT APEALING TO EMOTION TO PROCESS YOUR CASE. YOUR CASE WAS COMPLETELY BASED ON PURE LOGIC. THE FACT YOUR PISSING ME OFF RIGHT NOW AND TRYING TO DISCREDIT IT IS OBVIOUSLY SCUM MINDED.

3 - I was there already. NO ONE was AGAINST IT. THE FACT NO ONE HELPED ME THERE IS OBVIOUSLY SHOWING YOUR HYPOCRASY.

I was pushing FB. YOU JUST TRIED TO MOVE THE VOTE OUT OF FB

[Frozen Angel]

If you do think that was a slip you are more than worthless he was scum for the dwlee slot through.

My being "more than a worthless" won all those games in day 1 and day 2. I know whats a real slip and whats not and that was

I'm reporting this btw

more than a worthless is out of line.

I won games day 1 and day 2 before as well so what.

describing you game play as more than worthless is not attacking you personally.


pedit
I thought you were joking about the dying stuff.

I don't care. My play is effective. I don't care what do you think. You think my play is shit becuase of my personality. so your attacking my personality. I made a full logical case against you. the fact your trying to show my emotional play bad is just mudding the water.

I wasn't joking.

[Frozen Angel]

Sigh this why I dislike this site sometimes and some of the people on it. I wasn't attacking you personally just your gameplay. You made it into something personal Your conclusion is worthless since I am town this not a personal attack. You jumped to this conclusion.


You said you were dead. I played the mlg music in sarcasm since you can't be literally dead. Then you go "I died once you offended me." This is just trying to bait someone so you can play victim.


I'm not attacking your personality. I hate the fact you are trying to use emotion in your game play to try and influence the way you want is what bugs me. I want you to leave it out so I can play the god damn game with out dramas. The fact you are proud of it is something else.

well I forgive you. please forgive me as well

my emotion is real - and I'm not using it any way in my games. thats just me posting.

I'm just a very very very highly emotional and sensitive being. I can't help myself about that. basically no one can. It might heal over time and it is

[Frozen Angel]

I just don't get it why your obv town? your not obv town.

why your repeating it? If there was someone bussing the wagons it should have been you

[Frozen Angel]

I need to go

but for further speculation UNVOTE: for now

[Frozen Angel]

My push on you has no relation yuo your push on me.

Your not obv town in my mind. Your an obvious scu in my mind. I just want to make sure I'm not missing something

and your pressuring burden of proof here : "I'm obv town" "I can't be partner with either." these things make no sense to me.In my idea what FB and you did there was a theatrical show and I think you were bussing both FB and ABR .

your case on me was you can't be this lucky to guess to scum. I think Its not in your skill level so you were bussing them. this pisses me off.This is ridiculously pissing me off. You can't discredit my play like this. I can find scum. I've proven that.

[Frozen Angel]

My push on you has no relation to your push on me.

Your not obv town in my mind. Your an obvious scum in my mind. I just want to make sure I'm not missing something so I'm holding my vote.

and your pressuring burden of proof here : "I'm obv town" "I can't be partner with either." these things make no sense to me.In my idea what FB and you did there was a theatrical show and I think you were bussing both FB and ABR .

your case on me was "you can't be this lucky to guess two scums. I think Its not in your skill level so you were bussing them." this pisses me off.This is ridiculously pissing me off. You can't discredit my play like this. I can find scum. I've proven that.

fixed ^

plus I must add that I wasn't playing in my high tempered emotional rage level at all. if you think this was that , you don't know me at all.

[Frozen Angel]

Your acting like my whole case is on you being bad. I didn't think you were that experienced with my experiences with you with you being a average player. A average player doesn't nab scum 100% of the time please don't try to push that as 100% of my case. You can consider this point mute personally if you want to.

that was the whole case of yours against me. AND I NEVER SAID ITS PERSONAL. you just brought that up again.

I will read your points and I will reread your Iso later tonight,

[Frozen Angel]

Your case :

1 - I Slipped there knowing ABR WASN'T bussing someone : pure BS

2 - Your saying ABR was bussing me - FUCKING PROVE THAT

3 - I was BUSYING both of them? Nah

4 - I don't fucking care why Mattp didn't listen to me. I was trying to show him FB is scum. NO ONE LISTENED TO ME

5 - Your evaluating your top reads becuase I'm not that skilled ...

6 - as i said i don't fucking care.I will hammer scums. Do you have any problem with that?

so yeah summerizing your points : "you can't be this lucky to guess two scums. I think Its not in your skill level so you were bussing them. "

yes. that was the whole BS it is ...

plus about why I'm not shot yet. why you didn't shoot me yet ?!

I didn't done evaluated your points yet. just answering to my case

[Frozen Angel]

and BTW I'm completly honest with myself.

[Frozen Angel]

I unvoted Garmr to reread. you missed that Rc

[Frozen Angel]

I done a reread - analyse - taking notes - comparing and lots of stuff :

Your idea makes no sense.
1.It reliases on me setting it up on the spot with fire but I hinted at the role since day 1.
2. it contradicts with abrs role if I was scum then I would fake claim a role that doesn't contradict with his role. I also would of known why abr couldn't be targeted when aero targeted him. I made him
3. Abr was trying to pick out of me and aero who to push you could see who he was trying to choose.
4. Why would i fake a protection on aero when I could easily kill him earlier to stop him from using his ability. I also confirmed him as town now and if i shoot him with out dying I would look suspicious.
5.1 shot Bullet proof body guard is a weird role to claim as scum there are better roles. Also how would scum know if there was a protective role or not? it's a role full of risks.
6.You never discredit any of my actions coming from a town perspective. So it's pretty much null your whole case.
7.You keep saying i'm busing and this is scummy with out saying why. Why would scum do this and not do option b or c. You don't account for how I would act either.

1 - accepted
2 - I can't see why 1shot bp contradicts with ascetic
3 - It could be bussing. - not sure
4 - accepted
5 - accepted
6 - accepted
7 - accepted

I think I can let you live today. as a bodyguard you shouldn't live till lylo . I think there is just 1 remaining mafia (as I always played this normal games as town vs 3 mafia) so yeah you should die soon if your town

[Frozen Angel]

Look from this veiw point
there are two players

Player A and player B

Player A is a claimed bullet proof bg
his been pretty much town read all game and in a comfortable position. If he goes with town mentality and goes apathetic he could easily make it to lylo with out having to do much all he has to do is keep his head low this works can work as town or scum.

NO , the fact you were been town readed is irrelevant. you want me to link some scum games of mine that I've been called obv town in them ? you can't live till lylo. your a BG aren't you ? you have 3 nights to die - protecting someone

Player B is a unclaimed player but also town read by the majority

I'm a VT if that changes anything. I don't think we another PR out there as two scum are already lynched and they had basically nothing.

Player A suspect player B and announces it. Straight away Player B starts calling player A scum.

Again my case on you has no relation to your case on me

Player A case is responded to but the answers to the statements aren't satisfactory for player A a lot is left unexplained.

So what do you want me to explain? You think ABR was bussing me and I was bussing both of them becuase I don't have it in me to find scums. how exactly do you want me to answer to these accusations?

Player B is known for being emotional no matter the alignment. So we can rule out Player B emotional response to players A case as town only.

Definetly

Player B then goes on a full offensive on Player A ignoring Player A responses to player B case and just keeps hammering more and more. Not even attempting to stop cluttering the thread. A majority of the points are just saying that player A bussed with out explaining why at this time he would do this. It's low grade and dissemble.
All player B points are explained and player B doesn't try to refute player A.

I never ignored any of your posts. this is a blant misrepresentation. I still can't find answers for these :

Why FB claimed even night cop?
Why you claimed your role after his claim?
What was your Agenda?
All the rest can be considered bussing on that slot.

As soon as player B points are explained player B out into a different frontier saying player Is being personal. Which isn't true. Dispute between the two players is resolved. Player A still points out that player B is scum in player As eyes.

You discredit my ability to play mafia games - yeah its personal.

Player B then goes on the attack again ignoring player As previous points.

I never ignored anything ......

Player B new case on A is that player A is gambiting with saving player C with player A bg

That was my case since the beginning, why your trying to discredit it ?

Incomes Player c

I'm lost here player C is Aero ? if thats a gambit your just faking your bp bodyguard to lie low. that won't make Aero scum . you know that right ?

Player C is a known power role. Player A was uncertain of player C because he was paranoid so he leaves the impression in the qt made by player C that he won't defend Player C and will let him get sorted. If Player C is town and scum is in the qt then Player C will probably get shot being a power role that's town sided.

And Aero role has no relation to your role. this is a logical fallacy your using here.

If player A is scum he would be offer keeping his head low and letting Player C die claiming he was still paranoid about it. But now player C is confirmed town and player A loses cover of the Bp explaining why is alive. This is in conflict of interest of A scum player A but a town player A is now in a better position. He forces scum to shoot player C again or take both player A and C to the final three. Player A knows player C is town making it hard for scum because player C also has a hard town read on player A.

If you die tonight saving Aero - your a BG. scum will kill one of you for sure in the next following nights. we shall w8 and see

Who do you think is more likely scum from this scenario and why?

becuase of your unnecessary claim after FB death. that whole conversation is bugging me

[Frozen Angel]

VLA for two days

[Frozen Angel]

I need to reread this so I won't make haste to vote

I don't have time for that (so why am I posted this? hmmm -- no Idea! -- just posting something in my all games.

[Frozen Angel]

[Frozen Angel]

I need to reread AI and Aj sometime today

[Frozen Angel]

Why Garmr can be scum :

- the interactions with the flipped scums don't look healthy
- FB claim followed by his claim looked preplanned

+ He claimed 1 shot Bulletproof bodyguard and last night no one died . Although this can be considered a silly gambit , his claim is confirmable due to all the nights we have in future.

Why AI can be the scum :

- His first day posts were like "If mathilda turn scum Albert is town" or "I can vote you if you want!" (to dwlee)
- He was setup speculating so hard in day 1 ("apparently I'm mason reading everyone in the game" "existence of miller doesn't prove cop"

No. Albert B is not a good Lynch.

lets lynch fire !

We can Lynch Firebringer tomorrow. Let's stick with Mathilda for now. Unless we have reason to believe she is town, which I highly doubt.

- He started delaying FB and ABR lynch since day 1 , got truley pissed about my FB hammer and was trying to suggest a way for ABR to be town.

+ His push on mathilda in day 1 was townish
+ The way he got upset after FB lynch is considerable for a townie
+ He put to much effort in lynching Mathilda and now is doing that about dire. its a weak town tell as well becuase scum usually wants to stay in silense and let the others win the game for them.

Why Aj is a scum lean:

- The lack of doing anything in game - its basically a null tell not a scum tell ... But still nobody likes lurkeres

Why Aero is semi confirmed town :

Aero is confirmed town becuase with two scum flips and the fact I never saw a 4 member scum team in any mini normal games of mine I think its a 3 member scum game (tell me I'm wrong if otherwise) and the fact Gramr says he body gurded Aero - unless Aero done a scum gambit - He and Garmr can't be scum together - He can't kill himself so he is confirmed town.

Ok need to reread Direfire and Davasez and I will declare my vote

[Frozen Angel]

I need to reread AI and Aj sometime today

No need to. We already solved the game.

Its needed! I don't trust you!

[Frozen Angel]

My case against Garmr is not omgus

I was thinking about it after I saw the FB claim and that theatrical show

I just developed it into a case today. when he made a case against me - which I answered completly

and my case is not omgus. I made a logical case based on the facts happened in game - not his vote on me

so stop the fucking misrepresentation. It won't help you out from this

[Frozen Angel]

"Bought me one more day"

is so damn scummy

like your just sorting mislynches to win ...

[Frozen Angel]

Do you have a comment on my vote for Aj or my reads on any of the other players?

you can read my last post about my view on some of other players and I promised to deliver my reads on you and the remaining players. about the points you mentioned about AJ well I can't say they make him scum. you just exaggerated them in a scummy manner. You as you said so as well proved he is lazy.

Is that make him a mafia?

[Frozen Angel]

"Bought me one more day"

is so damn scummy

like your just sorting mislynches to win ...

No, really? Could he really be doing that?

why should he getting to stay in middleground in me/Garmr case. like he is not fully town reading him :

In neighbor pt : "I wouldn't consider lynching Garmr before LYLO."

nor town reading me (here) : "I'll have more on Frozen when she finishes reading. I've expressed suspicion of her behavior toward the Firebringer and ABR wagons but helping us lynch them both buys her at least one more day. The push against Garmr seems to me to chiefly be OMGUS based on his case against her in the Neighborhood."

....

[Frozen Angel]

I read your last post but I'm not exactly certain how you're reading most players. It sounds like you're still reading Garmr as Mafia but have decided to let him pass in agreement with my theory that his role will help us sort him if he's Town. I think that you came away with a Null read on Aj and a Town read on AlwaysInnocent. It is clear that you're reading Aero as Town.

Aero is semi confirmed town. AJ was null. there is nothing scummy or townie in the ISO.

but about Garmr you made a post in lylo - and you agreed with me about the possibility of that being a scum gambit - an your saying I can't think about the same method you offered there?

Garmr as bodyguard will probably die before we lynch a 3 person lylo or something ... I like to sort him later.

[Frozen Angel]

It doesn't really help me if you always have a Mafia player as your secondary lynch, particularly when you actively refuse to move your vote.

Aj is not Mafia. Give it up.

why not ?

[Frozen Angel]

Aj replaced Radja. The interactions between Albert B. and Radja make them an unlikely scum team.

if this is your reason this is pretty bad

ABR suggested he was sheeping Radja himself ...

[Frozen Angel]

Bussing ...

vocab mistake!

[Frozen Angel]

@Aj

You'll forgive me for not following your lead, but you're treating every player other than me as clear, so I'm sort of reluctant to trust your impressions.

this is scummy as well. like you know he is town ...

[Frozen Angel]

Was I unclear that I was reading him as Town?

so why are you voting him

I'm completly confused and lost here

[Frozen Angel]

Aj replaced Radja. The interactions between Albert B. and Radja make them an unlikely scum team.

if this is your reason this is pretty bad

ABR suggested he was sheeping Radja himself ...

So? Albert B. had been constantly trying to get Radja lynched. No way he was bussing him at that point. His frustration with Radja seemed genuine too.

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=64408

[Frozen Angel]

Just read how he was bussing his partners ...

[Frozen Angel]

Oh, I see the problem. I meant to address that comment to AlwaysInnocent. I added that quickly when I tried to post and saw that you'd posted ahead of me.

ok

AI never posted between me and your last post of that. who are you town reading ? and who were you talking to?

[Frozen Angel]

How can you forgive him if he is pushing a mis lynch toward you

and he stated that was toward AI not you in next posts ...

[Frozen Angel]

I'm having trouble here

My paranoias are killing me...

[Frozen Angel]

I'm kind of scumreading everyone beside Aero ...

[Frozen Angel]

hmmmmmmmmmmmmm

[Frozen Angel]

AI can be scum

But I'm not feeling it right now

His frustration after my hammer vote seems geniune

[Frozen Angel]

I'm pretty much null on bothe direfier and dave like their purposely making themselves harder to be readed ...

[Frozen Angel]

I'm so tired

do this tomorrow

[Frozen Angel]

It's probably a good idea for Frozen to be making the choice anyway.

why is that

Am I wrong to scumreading AI more than you?

[Frozen Angel]

see my problem is this you all are trying to force the lynch on someone else. It doesn't make you guys look townier. I have only 1 solid twon read and that Aero.

I still have problem with town reading Garmr
I'm struggling to believe AI is town
I have Direfire and dave in my null category
and I'm scumreading Aj more becuase of his recent reactions

so AI why is direfire scum again - please please please don't go on POE . just make a solid case

Direfire why you think Aj is scum ?

Don't GO ON POE

Ty all

[Frozen Angel]

You know ? game is fun until this point. when your the decider.

I fucking screw this up everytime.

arrrrghh

[Frozen Angel]

you feel wrong.

I wanted all these separate "you are scum!" "your misrepresenting me!" "I'm not scum!" shots together too evaluate them.

I'll share my read list later tonight

[Frozen Angel]

ok my read list :

from town to scum :

Aero : he is like definitely town at this point. unless he did a scum gambit to make dire beleive he was the target - or he just targeted Dier. his play seems more like town to me.

Garmr : he claimed bodyguard, that claim is individually townish. Still struggling when I reread FB claim there.

dave : hmm , I'm kind of null on this slot. ascetic claim won't make him obvious town. the miller claim is bothering me atm.

DireFire : If I'm looking for bussing attempt I can see him bussing both FB and ABR.

AI : seems genuinely believing Dire is scum. his interactions with FB was townish but I'm not sure that make him town. I was suspicious about his try to delay the lynches and his ATE today is not helping me believing he is town

Aj : his todays post specially looks like he is failing so much. like he can't defend himself. he really wants to jump on others and just make a lynch happen.

[Frozen Angel]

after the danish blue game I'm won't ever town read anyone for the reason ABR was really want them dead.

he was literally conf biasing his partner in that game

[Frozen Angel]

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=64408

this game

he was literally the one who destroyed the Ice slot

[Frozen Angel]

well I like to vote Aj or AI today I think they have a decent chance to flip scum.

[Frozen Angel]

lol

[Frozen Angel]

This setup uses daytalk.

oh fuck

its mod confirmed

[Frozen Angel]

Aero are you sure about Garmr ?

Please reread his interactions with FB again - and the claim part

[Frozen Angel]

Frozen are you unsure about me just curious?

Definitely unsure about you

that claim was the most stupid useless claim at that time by FB and your claim after ward

I can't find a single reason for that theatrical show. I guess that was pre planned in scum pt

[Frozen Angel]

unless he is scum and your wrong about him?

[Frozen Angel]

Lowell the Odd-Night Cop was killed N1.

[Frozen Angel]

so you want the lynch pool between you and direfier today?

[Frozen Angel]

hmmm

scum won't tunnel this hard

AI seems pretty town in his new posts

[Frozen Angel]

calling you scummy for some completly different reasons and answering all the accusations are really scummy tbh

I read your last post.

1 - meta is BS
2 - I already said why I don't think your interactions with ABR and FB is not clearing you.

but yeah. I won't vote you today.

[Frozen Angel]

FA, I don't like how you are basically suspicious of everyone but Aeronaut.

you better like it. I won't loose another game becuase of being last gamed (look at my wiki page to see how many games I lost in lylo)

[Frozen Angel]

dave whats your read right now?

[Frozen Angel]

oh don't encourage me

I shouldn't drink

[Frozen Angel]

FA some day well both go
to a meetup and get hammered togther]

today is not this day

But I feel the need to drink

and I know I shouldn't

whatever

[Frozen Angel]

ok sorry for absence

I will do something tonight

[Frozen Angel]

Ok lets not make this to lylo

Aero is definitely town unless as a mafia he targeted Dire that night. (the flavor or his reports would have been the same) He is so likely town

Dave miller thingy is considerable.in a scum team with day chat ABR would have stop the miller clame (thats my assumption) so as I still struggle to see a thing in his ISO to warm me I think that make him town

So we have Aj and AI as scum as I said last day.

commenting about Aj is so hard for me. I have to admit he is the type I can't have a decent read on.

AI way of asking for votes on dave without voting him today is way too concerning for me. plus he reacted weak to dire flip. not sure what should I make about that.

[Frozen Angel]

Whats your case on Dave, AI ?

[Frozen Angel]

The case on Dave is actually the same case as on Albert B.

Does this mean I am confident? No. I shouldn't be confident after being wrong so many times. So I leave it up to you to sort it out.

Honestly this is the scummiest post of you whole game long. The only towny thing in dave that I see is that ABR wouldn't let him claim in day 1 (as we know game has day chat)

there is basically no similarity in this, we knew 1 of the ABR , dave was scum for that role conflicts and we got a scum from it.

you leave it up to me is the worst thing you can do. get up and do something if your town

[Frozen Angel]

oh w8 cop was even nights only ...

thats too many things weakening its power

[Frozen Angel]

I need to think about this just don't hammer please

[Frozen Angel]

there are two roles that can't be investigated and he can't only investigate in half of the nights

thats just making him useless ... :/

[Frozen Angel]

we had a motion detector scum

why we had a motion detector scum

whats that role can someone explain ?

[Frozen Angel]

so lets add things up

Town has acop that is restricted by a miller and an ascietic and a even night restriction
town has a 1 shot bodyguard
and a neighborizer (which will just add wifom -no offense buts thats what neighborizers

there is a scum motion detector who can find out about these 3 existence. (still can't understnd what does this mean)

town cop is basically useless. he can't get a result till day 5 if he failes his night 2 action on ascietic
motion detector is for scum to find out about the existanse of the body guard
so town has nothing

we have no idea whats the third role of scum but I have no idea what should I make of this

[Frozen Angel]

I don't know its pretty foggy

without knowing the possibilities for the third scum rle they have so many weak roles as well

[Frozen Angel]

basically neighborizer don't add up in here your definetly town

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I have no idea

we have 3 suspects , why its that hard to find a town between them. *argghhh*

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I have no idea

we have 3 suspects , why its that hard to find a town between them. *argghhh*

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after thinking about this I must say thats exactly what I said in day 1.

VOTE: Dave

I have no idea what should I do with this situation

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then I will auto lynch you

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Are you town reading AI?
I'm handing you scum on a silver platter and you're not reading what I'm saying.

to be clarified I'm not town reading either of you 3

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and thats the fucking problem here

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if your miller your town yeah

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Aj where are you man?

whats your reads?

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only If aero pushes it?

put aside dave miller stuff for one sec

is he scum for sake of being himself?

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So why were you hesitating to vote him before?

I was talking with Aero in neighbourhood about it. You were the one who started this day phase with throwing shade on him

[Frozen Angel]

I seriously thought it was lylo. This is better.

Aeronaut, do you remember what you said about this setup before?

Albert B. was lynched because there couldn't be a Miller and Ascetic role. However Albert B. was confirmed Ascetic. But we never questioned Dave afterwards. We assumed that Taly would not have fakeclaimed because it could be counterclaimed on D1. But I think Taly was confident that he wouldn't be counterclaimed because he knew Albert B.'s role. He knew that there couldn't be both a Miller and Ascetic.

This means FA was right all along for being skeptical about the Miller claim.

VOTE: Dave

Let's do this actually.

here you started casting shade on him and attached it my earlier reads but when Aero voted him you didnn't even continued to continue your point of view for a while

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Let me ask you. I have been wrong all the time in this game. What kind of attitude do you think is best in my case? An overly confident attitude? Or a more cautious attitude?

I'm not talking about cautious I'm talking about your scummy muddying the water and watching it get dirty

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I don't understand wanting to go for a miller at this point. Unless you see something to say that was just a gambit, I'm not a fan of lynching it.

But if it's not Dave, and it's not you, then who is the remaining scum? I can tell you it isn't me either.

posts like this makes me thing you know dave and Aj are town

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Let me ask you. I have been wrong all the time in this game. What kind of attitude do you think is best in my case? An overly confident attitude? Or a more cautious attitude?

I'm not talking about cautious I'm talking about your scummy muddying the water and watching it get dirty

So I shouldn't have any ideas?

never said that don't misrepresent me , your today posts are highly scummy and I already mentioned it multiple times in Neighbourhood with Aero , I just was unsure to state them today or take them as a frustration issue for a town!you

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What do you mean take them as a frustration issue? Do you have an issue with my play if I am town? I don't try to be annoying or unhelpful. I am just sucking so hard this game.

I mean your apealing to ATE and say things like "I really suck in this game" and " this was my worst game so far"

and as an emotional being I don't know how should I look at to your posts, your hesitation can be simply becuase of your frustration - but there is a good chance for all of it to be fake

[Frozen Angel]

I'll take responsibility for this hammer.

what do you mean by this?

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You know he is flipping town don't you?

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like omg

are you scum claiming there?

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But that seemed like you know your wrong

[Frozen Angel]

I consider that last comments as a scum claim

Aero read was this as well

VOTE: AI

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yep sorry everyone

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specifically Aero for not blowing my cover when I was bout to kill him. I'm was just being carefull.

I have no problem with opening either of the pt's I were in

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I AM NOT MIXING THEM WITH EACH OTHER ON PURPOSE

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I just read the dead thread.

Garmr I didn't pushed ATE to manipulate people. as I said in the game I was making my own case on you. do you want to see my town game examples? that I did the same?

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I am not faking my emotional behavior to manipulate people... I AM EMOTIONAL

[Frozen Angel]

In day 1 I explained why I react so hard to a vote. want a townier version example? : http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=64429

the next ATE you can complain about is my push on Garmr. someone tells me whats different about it with my push on RUP in this offsite game : http://board.us.ikariam.gameforge.com/b ... mafia-101/

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I am not mixing my RL to my games. You ask why am I like this , I answer. I am the one who is begging all of you to take all those emotional stuff as NAI - this is sooo unfair that you start town reading me for them then accuse me of manipulating you guys for it

annie!

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and I must say that I really used to get insulted so there was no need for deleting stuff from dead pt. I don't care.

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ty Aero

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I mean, you even mentioned something very personal that heavily influenced how I read you. When you use that to defend yourself in game (when you have a deceptive role, in fact), then I think that's a bit over the top.

If people scumread you, and you bring up stuff like therapy, then it seems like the scumreading is

hurting

you. So people will want to avoid that.

Everyone had me as null then. Mattp asked me to change my way to react people in future I said I can't he said why and I went on details. I said before that , middle of that and after of that that is not game related and I'm completly NAI becuase of it.

in real life there is not a single comment that I won't react to. thats just me. I have real issues. I warned people in all my scum games and town game (even more in scum ones) that I won't need this free towncred. Thats wrong

if your not listening to me , what the hell can I do ?

RC is my hero and no one else can be compared.

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I'm just happy I had all the scum read. But frozen your emotional outburst i'm not saying they are fake i'm saying they effect the game state in a negative way it's ate with genuine emotion it takes away the fun for others when you do that.

I am trying to get better. You think I'm just sitting there and say fuck you all I will go on rampage again?

My push on you on the other hand , had no emotional stuff involved , thats basically how I make cases and talk . the only thing that I'm really sorry about was that interaction in day 1.

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Like you've been questioned like 10 times this game and every time you freak out at the person who does it

Mattp. your free to check my meta. When I get accused , I jusmp out. this is me being me - > completly no alignment indicative

look at this game when I was obv and people couldn't lynch me and the way I jumped on Ari ?

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=64429

you can check all of my games in wiki.

plus about your case I said This might be TvT and I'm going to reanalyze your case and I stated that I'm still on my previous read that was scum reading you.

If this is your meta then you should stop doing it because it's counterproductive

Again, your story doesnt hold, you had me as a null read, not a scum read, prior to the TvT comment.

and I'm really ashamed if it really effected the game.

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If there is anything that you want to tell me

any reserved insults

any points about my personality and relation of it to game please do it here. I will be really thankful

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And I'm 100% serious about my last post - please take it serious . I won't be angry on any of you. I promise that. Your free to attack me from all aspects.

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I have no idea how should I answer that Dwelee

there are obviously more scarry scum players in this game. like the mod himself or ABR. I'm just a noob

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No? Please don't say that. I would not insult you. I don't have anything against you.

Not talking to you alone. I was talking generally . I'm sure there are so many interested people, as they are currently doing this in my games directly on my face. or when I can't answer them becuase of site rules.

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No? Please don't say that. I would not insult you. I don't have anything against you.

Not talking to you alone. I was talking generally . I'm sure there are so many interested people, as they are currently doing this in my games directly on my face. or when I can't answer them becuase of site rules.

Half the shit that was

edited

was swear words not really that much of insult. Like are "they poopy heads" was "are they fucking idiots". everything else was similar to that or taking swear out.

I think annie is the best champ post was a rant about how the emotional plea thing is toxic to the game. I'm quite happy to say things to your face. If you want the short of it.

If you go off the railings over getting lynched again I'm going to keep pushing you in fact I will just vote you and refuse to take it off as soon as you start acting up.

Lol I swear my mind is stuck in ticked mode.

That behavior wasn't my defensive mode to stop me getting lynched. That's how I make case on people. I provided you my town meta with the similar behaviour. if you think you wan to lynch me if you saw that again , never play with me please

and yes I'llbe happy to say these things to my face not in my back

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Frozen Angel carrying hard. Nice job.

Still think that buss on me by both of you was bad >.>

yeah sorry for that

that hammer wasn't nice from me

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Sure i was only angry about the emotional outbreak. If she doesn't do those she be fine.

That's the summarize I will comment on. You will see my emotional outbreak again. Yes you will. That's not in my hands. Its not something I can stop tonight and live happily ever after. Its a sickness that is under treatment atm.

I don't mind about your insults if you did any on me. I insult myself more than you can even imagine - so yeah I understand that. and That's totally cool.

That's how I make cases. My push on you could have been from town me. I will do that as town and scum. That's how I push people. When I push you , I do it full heartedly. some may consider it conf bias as town / Emotional manipulation as scum , but thats me nowadays. I need time. I'm sure that I never insulted you in those posts. I'm sure that I fully explained my logical approach. my emotional tone has nothing to do with my case against you.

If you suddenly start town reading for that , thats not my problem. I was scum in this game? I will be town in my next game and I will be emotional , reactionary and sensitive in my next game.

Thats what people call personality. If you hate my playstyle. I don't care. You all want to policy me? I don't care! you push your logical case on me? I really like it and I will naswer to it in full details. I was answering your questions. You were the one who acted like I'm in an emotional out break.

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I'm really sorry about my day 1 when I explained my treatments when I've been asked about my reactionary behavior. I had no intention to use my RL for the game. It wasn't nice

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Well I wanted to get of of FB. I was lurking in day 2 so that he might do anything to depresure himself.

Then I saw him in L1 and there was no reason for town!me to change her read on him. that hammer wasn't discussed with my team , yes. But thats how my town!me would have acted so I just hammered.

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End game music !

Spoiler: Lyrics

I've gotta try
It's not over yet
No signals of love
Have you left
My heart is bleeding just for you
Bleeds for only you
And it hurts to know the truth
Are you looking for saviours?
Chasing a dream
Love turned to hate
Now I'm crossing the border
See then I fade
But I'm not afraid
Oh Sinéad
For the first time
Love is gonna turn around
I'm telling you
You will like it, I know
Oh Sinéad
It's the first time
Only you can set it free
Oh Sinéad
Come break away with me
This second chance I know won't last
But it's OK
Got not regrets
And I, I feel the end here
I'm a fool
Getting closer
But I'm doing what I should
I been driving in sorrow
Chasing tomorrow
Running away
Now you're crossing the border
See no tomorrow
But you're not afraid
Oh Sinéad
For the first time
Love is gonna turn around
I'm telling you
You will like it, I know
Oh Sinéad
It's the first time
Only you can set it free
Oh Sinéad
Come break away with me
But I'm doing what I should
I been driving in sorrow
Chasing tomorrow
Running away
Now you're crossing the border
See no tomorrow
But you're not afraid
Oh Sinéad
For the first time
Love is gonna turn around
I'm telling you
You will like it
Oh Sinéad
For the first time
Love is gonna turn around
I'm telling you
You will like it, I know
Oh Sinéad
It's the first time
Only you can set it free
Oh Sinéad
Come break away with me.

ABR I really like your play Just don't be upset about me. Please I really feel you are