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You know it! Now stick to the plan, and we'll win this game like it ain't no thang.In post 34, eagerSnake wrote:Boring has nothing to say because they said it all in their day chat
In post 36, Grendel wrote:@Boring You don't even have a witty one-liner to go with your vote... that's really...boring...
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Give eagerSnake a break, he's doing his best.In post 38, Gamma Emerald wrote:I expect more from the ultimate scum lord!-
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Dude, you're like the most adorable derp... You and I just played a game together, remember? It ended like 20 hours ago.In post 40, Gamma Emerald wrote:Nah Eager is lame, you're the one I want to see in action!-
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No. I only won two.In post 60, Gamma Emerald wrote:
Boring has only played scum games so far and if I remember correctly she wonIn post 57, Zoronos wrote:
I am out of the loop or maybe just missing an in joke. Mind explaining this?In post 38, Gamma Emerald wrote:I expect more from the ultimate scum lord!allof them. I was even present for the latter part of one.-
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I applaud the sentiment if it's genuine, but how do you intend to build a townblock in one day? You're either going to be NK'd for being conf. town, or you're going to survive the night, and anyone you'd want for your town block will have a healthy dose of distrust for you. I think you might have to table that plan for now.In post 68, eagerSnake wrote:I usually try to form a good town-block and then consider the best scum-hunter of the block as the wise elder-
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pssh! APA format is for pussies. Make him do it in Chicago.In post 82, eagerSnake wrote:In post 79, nn30 wrote:This seems overly aggressive.
Do you think my "over-aggressive"-ness is a sign of town, or scum? Explain your answer.
(700-750 words, APA style format)
@Gamma, what's bold-telling? I've never seen that term, and I can't find it in the wiki.-
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@Grendel, at your request.
1) What is your preferred alignment?
Town. It's the puzzle of the game that attracts me. Playing scum is just a chore that you perform to give town a fun challenge.
2) Are you often mislynched? If so, why is that?
I'm under 50/50. I've gotten better at reading. I've only completed town games offsite though, so I'm not sure that counts for much.
3) Can you describe your play style concisely in one sentence?
Nope. I've only been playing since June.
4) If you were the deciding vote at lylo with the slot above you, and the slot below you, which player would you lynch and why? (Ex: 1 would be deciding between 13, and 2. 2 would be deciding between 1 and 3. 3 would decide between 2 and 4.)
It would depend on what happens between now and LYLO.
5) How excited are you for this game?
Reasonably.
I don't like this. It seems in spirit with OMGUS. I don't think it's alignment-related, I just don't think it's effective scum-hunting. You shouldn't town read people for town-reading you.In post 91, eagerSnake wrote:Well nn30 is probably town.-
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Amusing, disturbing, tomato, potato.In post 99, MariaR wrote:I don't think anyone has done anything that is towny or scummy yet but this is amusing to watch.-
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Why would an RVS vote accompanied by "baaa..." or "hello" be more defensible than a naked vote?In post 128, Shadow_step wrote:Naked voting is Pro scum. ^-
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We've too many players who fall into your "unacceptable RVS vote" category for them all to be scum. How'd you come to the conclusion that this one in particular is scum?In post 135, Shadow_step wrote:
It isn't, unfortunately I only have one vote.In post 134, boring wrote:
Why would an RVS vote accompanied by "baaa..." or "hello" be more defensible than a naked vote?In post 128, Shadow_step wrote:Naked voting is Pro scum. ^
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Actually, now that I think of it, I should correct my answer to #2. I was lumping all deaths together. I've been mislynched once (but I've only played 4.5 town games).In post 136, PenguinPower wrote:
Since everyone else is playing...I don't want to be left out.
1.) Town. I'm always scumread, so being scum is hard.
2.) Never been mislynched. Come close several times, but never.
3.) Undefined.
4.) Below...for username reasons and whatnot.
5.) On a scale of Little Penguin to Emperor Penguin, about a Macaroni Penguin.
Also, your scale is bad, and you should feel bad. Macaroni penguin is the best penguin.-
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I'm just trying to figure out your motives. I don't care who's being pushed. I care about why. If it's just a gut read, carry on.In post 143, Shadow_step wrote:
gutIn post 140, boring wrote:We've too many players who fall into your "unacceptable RVS vote" category for them all to be scum. How'd you come to the conclusion that this one in particular is scum?
Also, what do you think of Implosion sheeping you with what amounts to a naked vote?
Why, do you have a problem with my push?
I don't care about Implosion as long as he helps me lynch scum.-
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This appears to be an insider-only train of thought. Are you planning to share with the rest of the class once you get an answer from Grendel?In post 180, Gamma Emerald wrote:Okay looking back at that no-claim thing mafia did it more it seems. I'm not quite sure what this means for Eager so I'll wait for Grendel's opinions on the matter.-
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This is a train that I can ride for a while. Have you ever worn a jacket so small that you can't button it up or move your arms properly? That's what he brings to mind.In post 179, MariaR wrote:VOTE: Zoronos
Best vote atm I haven't liked any of his posts to put it in a simple answer.
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Sure. It's like nothing quite fits.In post 189, Gamma Emerald wrote:
Mind explaining this metaphor?In post 188, boring wrote:
This is a train that I can ride for a while. Have you ever worn a jacket so small that you can't button it up or move your arms properly? That's what he brings to mind.In post 179, MariaR wrote:VOTE: Zoronos
Best vote atm I haven't liked any of his posts to put it in a simple answer.
VOTE: Zoronos
I'll give examples.
1. He said in post #162 "My gut doesn't like his post, but I think that's because a lot of it is talking about himself." But he can't stop talking about himself.
2. He jumped on Grendel for asking questions, and then says in post #97 "This is a decently analytical thought though for this point in the game. ++towniness." because Grendel soft-defended him.
3. Post #65 "Saying an ascetic claim is scummy is foolish; it is strictly non alignment determining. If you are town, you claim it to avoid wasting an NA. If you are scum, you claim it to avoid a cop hit." I'm uncomfortable with how comfortable he was with eagerSnake's [awful]decision.
It's awkward, and it makes me suspect that he's forcing himself to act or be a certain way (like a jacket that's too small).
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@Zoronos
Your reasoning is unsound, and it takes 2 seconds to realize it. Unless eagerSnake's just a vanilla town with an ascetic modifiers, he's blown a town PR for no good reason. He'll be dead before he can use it. We don't even need a conf. town Day 1, when his guess is as good as ours, and we outnumber scum more than we probably ever will. He should/could have just played the way any other PR plays: act town, and keep your head down to avoid a NK. That would have reduced the chances of wasted NAs, and given us something useful when we really needed it. Even if scum managed to get him mislynched Day whatever over it, that's fine. We'd see his flip, have whatever info he left behind, a good scum pool on his wagon, and he'd still be more useful then than he'll be now.-
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Please explain. I'm town leaning him.In post 212, eagerSnake wrote:S_s is also a good vote rn-
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Dammit Grendel!
I'm wary of Penguin too, but your reasoning sucks. Your questions were NAI, and the answers you got were NAI. Also, you failed to take personality differences into account, and that's a shame, considering how much effort you must have put into that whole thing.
However, I'm enjoying the irony of PP bucking your analysis when he's going after LUV for his. Not that I'm not fond of LUV right now, either.-
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I'm sorry, but you can't scream confirmation bias much louder than this.In post 232, Grendel wrote:If anything you insiting that RQS isn't a valid means of catching scum sounds like scum annoyed that they got caught for the wrong reasons.-
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What I mean is this: You're scumreading LUV for the answers he gave to Grendel's questions. You're being scumread by Grendel for the answers you gave to the same questions. You're unhappy with Grendel's interpretation of your answers. While I sympathize with your frustration, I find the situation mildly humorous.In post 236, PenguinPower wrote:
So. Many. Pronouns.In post 223, boring wrote:However, I'm enjoying the irony of PP bucking your analysis when he's going after LUV for his. Not that I'm not fond of LUV right now, either.
I don't know how to respond since it could mean to entirely different things.
Further, I find both you and LUV worth some scrutiny, but that I'm dissatisfied with both your and Grendel's decisions to base scum reads off Grendel's "RQS".-
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EBWOPIn post 238, boring wrote: Further, I find both you and LUV worth some scrutiny, butthatI'm dissatisfied with both your and Grendel's decisions to base scum reads off Grendel's "RQS".-
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it's a fun ice breaker, sure, and I think we can appreciate the effort you put in. I know part of my aversion lies in how weirdly you interpreted my answers. I can elaborate in a PM after the gave ends, if you'd like. Either way, there are very different, very plausible other explanations for people's responses that went unaddressed/unconsidered. So while you're free to form your reads however you want, it may not be helpful to the rest of us in our search.In post 241, Grendel wrote:In post 235, boring wrote:
I'm sorry, but you can't scream confirmation bias much louder than this.In post 232, Grendel wrote:If anything you insiting that RQS isn't a valid means of catching scum sounds like scum annoyed that they got caught for the wrong reasons.
I have legitimately caught scum with RQS. I've legitimately identify'd town too.
I don't understand how people will treat gut, and tone like proper scum hunting methods, but will absolutely crap on RQS when is an excersie, that in my opinion, combines those things plus a decent degree of logic, and is an easy way to get a whole rosters worth of reads in sometimes just a few pages. Even if my reads were totally wrong I at the very least got to know a little more about who I'm playing with. I don't consider RQS to be a waste of time.
Utterly baffled by the general "lol no" response I'm getting this game.
Same goes for gut reads. You can't expect someone to follow another person's gut.-
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I'm pretty sure I've addressed this at length, but I can answer again. I think he's telling the truth, and I think that unless his only role modifier is ascetic, he made a mistake announcing it so quickly. Factor in his town block nonsense, and I have him as strong town with questionable judgement.In post 280, Shadow_step wrote:@Boring, since you are around, what is you read on Eager atm, regarding his claim and stuff?-
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I guess. I mean, you explained it alright, I was just hoping there'd be more to it.In post 281, Gamma Emerald wrote:Also boring: are you satisfied with my explanation of the thing between me and Grendel?-
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Gamma is acting exactly like he did in our last game. I tunnelled him for it because he's easy to mislynch. I'm also doubting my scum read on Zoronos. He's just barrelled on without a single adjustment to his behavior. It's not something I'd expect from someone I'm scum-reading for being fake. They're each either cleverer at playing scum than I'm willing to entertain at the moment, or they're not scum.
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Everything.In post 331, implosion wrote:
Can you quantify exactly what you find similar?boring wrote:Gamma is acting exactly like he did in our last game.
His opinions are hard to pin down, rendering him inscrutable. He's too brief with his explanations and doesn't seem to ever be quite on the same wavelength with the person he's talking to. This will become increasingly infuriating as the game goes on, which is why he's low-hanging fruit. Despite it all, he displays a few striking moments of clarity and insight.
I've never seen him play scum. I don't know if his scum game is just like this too. It's just that this is what his town game was like last time.-
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I don't think your question was terribly interrogative, so that's not a super good reason. The vote on gamma makes no sense though.In post 343, Shadow_step wrote:
Join me on Penguin please.In post 329, boring wrote:Gamma is acting exactly like he did in our last game. I tunnelled him for it because he's easy to mislynch. I'm also doubting my scum read on Zoronos. He's just barrelled on without a single adjustment to his behavior. It's not something I'd expect from someone I'm scum-reading for being fake. They're each either cleverer at playing scum than I'm willing to entertain at the moment, or they're not scum.
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He nicely ignored my question.
@Gamma, I don't think you're too widely town read, so it's not like PP's going against the flow. It seems more like he's testing it.
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Rainbowtime!
Because I get bored going so long without a splash of color.
Shadow_step- Has an aggressive town persona. A hint of grandiosity. I haven't seen this behavior before with scum.
eagerSnake- He's got a most-likely-town claim. If he's still alive tomorrow, he'll probably be bumped way down because he's pretty useless
nn30- Awkward, but in a townish way. Provides good observations.
Grendel- His line of speculation appears faulty, but not scummy. Probably town.
Gamma Emerald- Acting like he did in the last game, which was town.
Zoronos- Still feels off, but in consistent ways. I'm beginning to suspect part of it is personality. Doesn't seem survival-oriented.
MariaR- At least she admits that she's been coasting. No solid read yet.
DierFire- The vote-and-disappear thing, even during RVS, is pretty scummy. His one post was decent.
Lil Uzi Vert- I know people seem mostly over him now, but he's remains one of the scummier posters today. Might be personality.
Slandaar/Prism- Because prod dodging with no content. Sub-outs are more likely scum than town.
implosion- I get the impression that he's trying to blend in, and stay out of trouble. Reactive.
PenguinPower- Bad votes, reactions lack a feeling of authenticity, posts lacking substance, and dismissive in a way that I only see with scum.-
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You think he's scummy for tunnelling, or you just wish he'd act differently? Town tunnels all the time.In post 485, Gamma Emerald wrote:Wait wtf I forgot I changed my mind on implosion; make my read on him null-town
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That's pretty thin, but it beats the hell out of eagerSnake's fear-vote. Welcome aboard!In post 488, Prism wrote:Hey everybody, I'm thrilled to join the game and can't wait to jump in.
That said, this is my busiest weekend of the year which makes it difficult to do so. I'll try to do a more comprehensive read on Sunday but for now I'm frozen in time at Page 12. In the meantime I'm going to VOTE: boring whose #196 left me wondering if she was trying to find inconsistencies or trying to find scum.-
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Even blind acorns find nuts on occasion!In post 504, Grendel wrote:
But Boring, if you feel my logic is off base the why are you sharing my top scum read?In post 476, boring wrote:Grendel- His line of speculation appears faulty, but not scummy. Probably town.
If I'm really off my game and I started the Penguin wagon wouldn't that give you pause?
I didn't like your RQS analysis because it runs counter to my experience of people in general. I don't like your attempts to identify entire teams at once because it's incredibly speculative. But I'll be fair: all that matters is what works and what doesn't. If, at the end of this game you were right, then I'll gladly eat my words.-
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Sweet mango chutney, I wish I could say I worded it like that on purpose. I'm an old lady, and it's past my bed time. I'll see you crazy kids tomorrow.In post 513, boring wrote:Even blind acorns find nuts on occasion!-
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Anyone want to point out exactly what they dislike about my list? I know implosion seems to disagree with my opinion regarding PP. Feel free to argue for or against my scum and town leans.
I'll be less active until Wednesday or Thursday because real life, but I'll probably be able to pop in once a day, on my phone at least, to keep up and share thoughts.-
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@Shadow_step - Are you scumreading eager, or was that just a statement of suspicion?
@Deirfire - I just read that whole post, and I can't tell if you're justifying your vote on PP, or moving away from it. Can you give us a thesis statement?
@Prism - I never considered that perspective on MariaR. Do you think she's likely scum, or are you just throwing it out there?-
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Does this seem uncomfortable to anyone else?In post 607, Grendel wrote:
You suspensions of me actually strength my town read on you. The Scum!Eager I played with was totally okay with being a strong tr of mine. Your paranoia here makes me all the more sure you are town.In post 582, eagerSnake wrote:
Throw Grendel in there and lolIn post 579, Zoronos wrote:The dichotomy between Boring and Maria here is interesting; Maria is hard to sort because she is content light (apparently purposefully), and Boring is hard to sort because some of her content makes me go "Yup, that's scummy def" and some is "Well, that is pretty darn reasonable".
I mean, if youarescum you a mighty fine actor lol.-
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I'm having a hard time understanding why people hopped off this wagon.In post 609, PenguinPower wrote:We should definitely lynch Gamma. Not me.-
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How on earth is PP less scummy than me? Do you have any decent reasons? Or is it just that I actually bothered to elaborate on my Zoro read like ten pages ago?In post 614, Prism wrote:I don't think Penguin is undeinably rocksolid town but comparing him to people like Implosion, boring, LUV, Gamma, Maria, or even Grendel he might as well be the Pope.
Either way, it's lovely to know that someone who apparently exists solely to swipe at low-hanging fruit is totally cool with you.-
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It read to me like "greetings, fellow town-player. You are definitely town, and not scum. I am also not scum. You can see it clearly printed on my nametag. I will now go and do town things. Because I'm town."In post 619, Grendel wrote:
Why and to what extent?boring wrote:
Does this seem uncomfortable to anyone else?In post 607, Grendel wrote:
You suspensions of me actually strength my town read on you. The Scum!Eager I played with was totally okay with being a strong tr of mine. Your paranoia here makes me all the more sure you are town.In post 582, eagerSnake wrote:
Throw Grendel in there and lolIn post 579, Zoronos wrote:The dichotomy between Boring and Maria here is interesting; Maria is hard to sort because she is content light (apparently purposefully), and Boring is hard to sort because some of her content makes me go "Yup, that's scummy def" and some is "Well, that is pretty darn reasonable".
I mean, if youarescum you a mighty fine actor lol.
I noticed how Eager wasn't content for me to scratch him behind the ears with a town read this game and thought it was townish. And decided to mention it while it was still on my mind.
I was open to the idea that I'm just being paranoid, which is why I opened the floor, rather than just sticking it into my notes.-
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If the context wasn't so different, maybe. But remember, you were supposedly reading Shadow_step off meta. It's like you've already forgotten your excuse for the clumsy buddying....In post 625, Grendel wrote:
You're free to over analysis me as much as you want.In post 623, boring wrote:
It read to me like "greetings, fellow town-player. You are definitely town, and not scum. I am also not scum. You can see it clearly printed on my nametag. I will now go and do town things. Because I'm town."In post 619, Grendel wrote:
Why and to what extent?boring wrote:
Does this seem uncomfortable to anyone else?In post 607, Grendel wrote:
You suspensions of me actually strength my town read on you. The Scum!Eager I played with was totally okay with being a strong tr of mine. Your paranoia here makes me all the more sure you are town.In post 582, eagerSnake wrote:
Throw Grendel in there and lolIn post 579, Zoronos wrote:The dichotomy between Boring and Maria here is interesting; Maria is hard to sort because she is content light (apparently purposefully), and Boring is hard to sort because some of her content makes me go "Yup, that's scummy def" and some is "Well, that is pretty darn reasonable".
I mean, if youarescum you a mighty fine actor lol.
I noticed how Eager wasn't content for me to scratch him behind the ears with a town read this game and thought it was townish. And decided to mention it while it was still on my mind.
I was open to the idea that I'm just being paranoid, which is why I opened the floor, rather than just sticking it into my notes.
I do think its kind of funny that I just got finished saying how I town read Snake's paranoia, and suddenly you are acting paranoid of me too.-
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Of course I am, eager. I've miraculously drawn scum for the fourth game in a row to stroke your ego, and justify the fear vote you planned since the sign-up thread.
You don't even have to scum hunt. Just park a vote, make a shitty claim, and fake a hammer for lolz (because you got fuck-all info from it).-
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It's not out of left field, you're just missing context. I'm irritated by his coasting, and I'm annoyed with town in general. I feel like too many people are tip-toeing, and there's no real scum hunting going on.In post 638, nn30 wrote:
Okay. This feels forced. And also out of left field.In post 636, boring wrote:Of course I am, eager. I've miraculously drawn scum for the fourth game in a row to stroke your ego, and justify the fear vote you planned since the sign-up thread.
You don't even have to scum hunt. Just park a vote, make a shitty claim, and fake a hammer for lolz (because you got fuck-all info from it).-
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VOTE: eagerSnake good enough for me.In post 642, Shadow_step wrote:In post 121, Shadow_step wrote:This game just got easy .In post 122, Shadow_step wrote:Kidding lol
Hello eager, do you have any early reads?
Anyone else can also answer this.
Eager is probably a goon and would be doing most of the kills and hence might have the biggest chance of getting caught so he claimed to have ascetic.
I'm town ascetic.
First thing I did after reading Eager's claim was confirm with the mod that he sent me the right role PM.-
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Why are you willing to jump straight to the possibility of two town ascetics rather than challenging his claim?In post 654, eagerSnake wrote:Lol. Why are you waiting until now to bring up that you're Ascetic?
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Feel free to elaobrate on this chainsaw.In post 659, MariaR wrote:holy **** boring needs to eat rope rn-
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I'm not going to beg you to act pro-town.In post 669, MariaR wrote:
Maybe if you ask nicely.In post 667, boring wrote:
Feel free to elaobrate on this chainsaw.In post 659, MariaR wrote:holy **** boring needs to eat rope rn-
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So you're trying for a derp-clear now?
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Why ask the mod when you can just read the first page? Unless you're trying to announce that you can't possibly be scum, that is. The timing is pretty with SS threatening to look for buddies.In post 684, MariaR wrote:WHAT THE ****
How do you get "Maria is going for a clear!" from that???
Did I ever say "I asked if scum have day chat i'm clear"
f off ty
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@eager - I'm not sure you understand what buddying means. Most of what you posted was criticism. Also, why do you keep repeating that I'm happy about the conflict? I've been around for very little of this little scum theater.
@town? - eager has been coasting, and the only thing in the way of my gut scumlean was the fact that he had an uncc'd claim. A cc from an obvious town player was more than enough reason to vote him. Either way, how can so many of you accept eager's piss-poor "town" performance without resistance? I mean, eager has bragged twice now about how shitty town is playing by not calling him out for his lazy vote. You're all just taking the insult with pride, it would appear. The only positive thing I can say about this development is my wagon. It decreases the likelihood that eagerSnake, MariaR and implosion are ALL scum. I'll have to try to knock at least one out of the running.
If scum want to chainsaw me up to L-1, that's fine, but don't let them hammer without warning. I'll try to be back again tomorrow to check on things.
p-edit - S_s's play and tone were very aggressive early on.-
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You're scum. You have at least one buddy (I was thinking MariaR at the time) spearheading/supporting this crazy chainsaw to try to get my lynched instead.In post 1040, eagerSnake wrote:
Where do you get "scum theater?" Who am I scum theatering with?In post 1037, boring wrote:Also, why do you keep repeating that I'm happy about the conflict? I've been around for very little of this little scum theater.
Yes, i have some experience on Mafiauniverse, because the games here are so slow. But my first-ever game was here.In post 1049, eagerSnake wrote:boring has experience on another site
If you bothered to open an ISO, you'd see that I've been pretty clear about my feelings regarding eager's claim. That being, he was an uncc'd town claim, which left unchallenged, left him as a prime night kill target (because of the probably confirmed town status). As I also stated several times, if he lived to tomorrow, I'd re-evaluate. So for Day 1, uncc'd regardless of how untown he seemed, I didn't feel like I had much choice but to accept him as confirmed town.In post 1068, implosion wrote:
I find the first bolded so, so hard to believe. You had a scumlean on him and the thing holding you back from that wasIn post 1037, boring wrote:@eager - I'm not sure you understand what buddying means. Most of what you posted was criticism. Also, why do you keep repeating that I'm happy about the conflict? I've been around for very little of this little scum theater.
@town? - eager has been coasting,and the only thing in the way of my gut scumlean was the fact that he had an uncc'd claim.A cc from an obvious town player was more than enough reason to vote him. Either way, how can so many of you accept eager's piss-poor "town" performance without resistance? I mean, eager has bragged twice now about how shitty town is playing by not calling him out for his lazy vote. You're all just taking the insult with pride, it would appear.The only positive thing I can say about this development is my wagon. It decreases the likelihood that eagerSnake, MariaR and implosion are ALL scum.I'll have to try to knock at least one out of the running.
If scum want to chainsaw me up to L-1, that's fine, but don't let them hammer without warning. I'll try to be back again tomorrow to check on things.
p-edit - S_s's play and tone were very aggressive early on.an uncced ascetic claim.When (1) tons of people have been explaining why it makes sense for him to claim it as a mafia ascetic (so the claim itself isn't a strong reason to townread him). And more importantly (2), being an uncced ascetic isn't a particularly townish thing... like, I can understand this if he were an uncced cop or doctor or tracker or generally an uncced power role, because making a power role claim puts you in the limelight and makes you suspicious if you don't die the next night. But I find it hard to believe that this was the only thing holding you back from scumreading him or more specifically that it would hold you back from scumreading him.
I very much care if I'm wagoned. You may have missed it, but I said "theIn post 1068, implosion wrote:Second bolded part feels super contrived. Calling an L-2 wagon on herself positive as if to shout "hey, i don't really care if i'm lynched bc i'm not scum" from the rooftops with no regard to how harmful it would be if we lynch her and not eagerSnake in the event that she's town and he's scum (which, to be clear, I do not believe but she does). Giving the positive that you've eliminated one out of 200+ possible scumteams further evidences that she doesn't actually feel like the wagon on her is a good thing, she's just BSing to try to look like town-who-doesn't-care-if-they're-wagoned. If she were town she would be concerned about the wagon on her competing with the wagon on eagerSnake, or if she was genuinely glad about it would have more to say about it than "these three people aren't all scum" which is so likely to be true a priori as to have evidence in favor of it be utterly meaningless (reducing an 0.5% chance to an 0.1% chance is not meaningful, and that would require insanely strong evidence to do). We'll see what she has to say when she gives more analysis on it.
Posting from work because I really needed to get this off my mind while it's fresh. Will have more to say on the es-ss fiasco later. But it's gonna be more of what you've already heard.onlygood thing"... as a rule, when someone says "only", they mean just the one.
Beautiful example of shitty play. Seriously, can you say "you'll all be sorry when I'm gone" any more ways before you're forced to actually participate?In post 1070, eagerSnake wrote:Also calling it 'scum theater' implies that there is 2 scum involved, which in this scenario would mean S_S and I are performing scum theater. Basically setting herself up to lynch him tomorrow when I flip
I question whether you read what you quoted. I said of eagerSnake, "He's got a most-likely-town claim. If he's still alive tomorrow, he'll probably be bumped way down because he's pretty useless". What about that makes it so unbelievable that I'd not flip on him when my top town read cc'd him? I don't get why your gut would want me to be scum except that I was scum-reading you before.In post 1078, Zoronos wrote:
These were Boring's top two town reads at one point. She flipped on her second top town read as soon as her first CC'ed him on a modifier, without further investigation. I find that questionable.In post 476, boring wrote:Shadow_step- Has an aggressive town persona. A hint of grandiosity. I haven't seen this behavior before with scum.
eagerSnake- He's got a most-likely-town claim. If he's still alive tomorrow, he'll probably be bumped way down because he's pretty useless
I am further surprised that not a single person brought up that she was willing to trash her town reads that quickly. But w/e.
Anyway, I want to hear what Boring has to say once she comes back; my gut wants her to be scum (hello conf-bias) but I can't justify just throwing down the hammer without giving her a chance to say her piece.
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I'm frankly baffled by my wagon, or that it's lasted this long. I'd congratulate scum, but I don't think they've earned it. There's a weird social dynamic in this game that I can't seem to wrap my head around. How many more times, for example, is Zoro going to try to probe eager for a reason to have voted me in the first place without actually questioning his alignment?
I think we've had quite enough role claims for Day 1, but suffice it to say that I find it very, very unlikely that we have two ascetics. That is, unless the mod is a sadist. I also think it would be absolutely pointless for there to be a mafia ascetic. That is, unless things are far more complex than they appear from my point of view.-
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I addressed this at the end of post #1165.In post 1167, Gamma Emerald wrote:Boring I'd like your input on what I said about Eager and Maria(now including Implosion!) argued(the duplicate town roles thing).
My read on you was a shot in the dark, based off the oddness I picked up. I've gone back through the thread to re-read since then, and I noticed you mentioning your friend. Something I missed my first time around, which would easily exacerbate the disconnect I was picking up at first. As your posts normalized, and I could see that you weren't adjusting your behavior to suit my scumread, I lost interest in your wagon. Even at the time of my vote, I'd have been more suspicious of a flash wagon than your behavior.In post 1181, Zoronos wrote:@boring
Anyway, here's my take on your play so far:
You've been in the middle of two trains - PP and Eager. Never the head of either - the player leading the charge for the lynch. While you were on PP, you didn't talk about him much at all or advocate for that train to move forwards. You mostly seemed to be talking to Grendel. (I kind of liked your evaluation of Grendel's conciliatory post to Gamma, actually 623).
However that suspicion also never seemed to get pushed based the suspicion phase.
At the time of the CC, you had Eager as your number 2 town read, after SS at number one. That suggests, to me, that you didn't have a lot of skepticism about his claim. Furthermore, I find "He survived the night, he must be scum" to be a really awful way to evaluate PR's (since it depends on the playstyle of the scum team on whether they are risk averse or not, which is hidden information). It makes it really easy for scum to try to lynch PR's by building up mistrust.
So, when you immediately flipped on him as soon as the CC happens, that seems scummy to me. You didn't take the time to re-evaluate the read or look for other indications on whether he was scummy. Just 'Oh counterclaim yup top scum' and a vote. There wasn't evidence of skepticism or evaluation. If someone counterclaims one of my top town reads, I am always going to try and think carefully about why my town read might have been wrong, or if something else is afoot.
So, I don't think you've done a lot of active scum hunting, haven't been an evangelist for the trains you've been on, and I question your sudden certainty on Eager-scum. Those things add up to my gut thinking you're playing a happy coincidence of two town having the same role modifier, and you get a free mislynch.
However, the logical case hasn't caught up to my gut and I am wary of just interpreting events into conf-bias land. So I'm not entirely convinced that you're the villain quite yet - at least not until we've had a chance to chat a bit more.
Then, I noticed PP being reactive, dismissive, and disingenuous, so I hopped onto his wagon with S_s. I did argue when people got off his wagon:In post 616, boring wrote:
I'm having a hard time understanding why people hopped off this wagon.In post 609, PenguinPower wrote:We should definitely lynch Gamma. Not me.
And then I admit that I was distracted by Grendel, with what I thought might have been a scum-slip (certainly worth attention in my mind).In post 622, boring wrote:
How on earth is PP less scummy than me? Do you have any decent reasons? Or is it just that I actually bothered to elaborate on my Zoro read like ten pages ago?In post 614, Prism wrote:I don't think Penguin is undeinably rocksolid town but comparing him to people like Implosion, boring, LUV, Gamma, Maria, or even Grendel he might as well be the Pope.
Either way, it's lovely to know that someone who apparently exists solely to swipe at low-hanging fruit is totally cool with you.
Then the CC happened and I was more than willing to vote eager, who would have been a scum lean at the very least had he not been sitting on an uncc'd claim to a conf.town position.
If I haven't played perfect town, I apologize. But to be perfectly honest here, I don't have very much town play time under my belt. Especially not on this site with this site's meta. It's easier to just be what town wants than to actually try to solve the game not knowing who's who. Let alone dealing with any further complications.
Okay, well, here's practically his whole ISO before my read list.In post 1191, nn30 wrote:
@Boring - please explain this read on SS.In post 476, boring wrote:
Shadow_step- Has an aggressive town persona. A hint of grandiosity. I haven't seen this behavior before with scum.
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