Mini 1670 - WTF MAFIA

[Ricastle]

VOTE: Bins Hammered the game before giving it a chance to claim. Scummy as shit.

Shouldn't we know all the roles?

[Ricastle]

Menno are you actually being serious?

Why are you hated Bins?

[Ricastle]

My role PM says so

Oh, okay. Well I would have known that already

if the mod remembered this was smalltown

Tree Stumps are vanillas without the vote.

[Ricastle]

Isn't smalltown where you have everyone's role without their alignment?

That's indeed the case according to the wiki. But oh well. Ika obviously didn't intend it that way so nevermind.

McMenno's claim sounds like the most broken role to ever exist so I highly doubt it's legit, but if it is, shouldn't lynching him be top priority? We don't lose any players and get an alignment flip.

[Ricastle]

So ... anyone want a stripper pole tonight?

Sure, I'd love one.

[Ricastle]

If the claim is true then we just ignore him.

[Ricastle]

Menno's claim is distracting from scumhunting. Scum are capitalising on this.

VOTE: Derangement

[Ricastle]

Does that mean you believe his claim?

Sure, at least partially.

Also you're employing the exact thing I just accused you of, so I'm happy with sitting on my vote for now.

[Ricastle]

My gut is getting bad vibes from the Menno wagon but on the other hand it's a fair point that his role sounds like bullshit and doesn't correlate with the Restless Spirit, which would be a WTF role in its own right. Hm.

Pedit: What do you suggest I do, Flubber? McMenno is the only topic on the table and roughly half the players haven't posted out of RVS.

[Ricastle]

Why isn't elusive worth a vote?

Never said she wasn't; I only have one vote. Does it matter which Menno pusher I vote?

What if the only thing we claim is faction (town, third-party, scum)?

[Ricastle]

Okay so why is elusive townier than derangement?

I never said that.

[Ricastle]

I only have one vote. Does it matter which Menno pusher I vote?

[Ricastle]

^That's to Flubber. Damn pagetops...

[Ricastle]

Oh, your reaction's been just fine, pal.

[Ricastle]

Yeah you should probably push the scummier of the two

I am. Derangement seems worse because they're prolonging the topic, doomsaying to breed apathy, and generally seem ingenuine.

If a 3rd party kills Menno then his goal would be to kill that player. That should be obvious shouldn't it?

[Ricastle]

This has to be the case though because you're voting derangement, right?

I think the lurking is less productive than the active participation and therefore scummier

I don't find elusive 'townier' because she's done nothing so far to seem town. Am I supposed to be simultaneously voting all suspicious players? Wth.

It's the content derangement puts out that gets me. But both of them could easily be scum as far as I'm concerned.

[Ricastle]

Why don't we just leave Menno to an investigator?

[Ricastle]

What the shit. Well...I did find Flubber a bit weird. Him pushing me onto an elusive scumread a bit earlier makes me think she's town.

VOTE: Bellaphant

Blatant scumslip right there.

[Ricastle]

UNVOTE:

I counted it as a scumslip because only scum would go vig hunting after said vig just hit scum.

With one of the progenitors of the Menno wagon having flipped scum, are you really confident in using it as grounds to suspect me?

[Ricastle]

I was about to reply until I realised the roles are randomised and there could well be an SK dayvig. You can have that point.

[Ricastle]

Dunno where my vote's at, but this seems like the most logical place:

VOTE: Derangement

And why is that?

[Ricastle]

I did actually post 4 times before 58.

[Ricastle]

that makes the game super unbalanced towards scum; and with another hated guy here - I'm starting to think that this claim is faulty. but again, it's just too risky to lynch, is it not???

Are you also claiming hated here?! If not, who are you referring to?

Wanderer, explain how McMenno is less of a hazard to us when he's dead and is actively out to kill town.

[Ricastle]

I'm referring to the one who claimed hated p1.

and if he is killed by third party, THEN he is less hazardous.

That is Bins lol.

That's never going to happen though. No non-town player would dare hammer Menno at this point and he sure as hell won't be NKed. The only realistic scenario will lead to disaster for the town.

[Ricastle]

Menno, what's your reasoning for scumreading Derangement?

[Ricastle]

VOTE: Derangement

Might as well return here unless anyone can posit a better lead. Flubber might have been trying to divide my scumread on Deranged onto elusive.

[Ricastle]

Deranged

*Derangement! Oh dear. Sorry about that.

[Ricastle]

@Ric: He is right now already actively out to kill town. He has to survive, remember? If a third party kills mcmenno, and then that 3rd party gets lynched or killed later, mcmenno will have won the game.
I don't want to have mcmenno against us during lylo, but I really think we can win this before we actually hit lylo so why worry about that? Before that, he won't be a problem. We can now all agree L-2 will equal L-1 in case mcmenno is on the bw and that's another problem out of the way. We just need 2 hammerers instead of 1 to make sure the lynch is going through. Wouldn't that make scumhunting through vca even easier?

And as a third party, he could just as easily work with the town (which would actually be a faster win for him). Lynching him will, as I explained, only result in the worst case scenario for the town.

I don't understand your second paragraph. Do you want to lynch McMenno or not? What do you mean about two hammerers?

What are your other reads?

[Ricastle]

Shos, who are you scumreading?

[Ricastle]

Also i dont recall anyone saying why they supporr derange lybxh at all

110[/quote], [post]158 and 240 is the bulk of it afaik.

[Ricastle]

Also i dont recall anyone saying why they supporr derange lybxh at all

110, 158 and 240 is the bulk of it afaik.

[Ricastle]

110

[Ricastle]

Elusive is definitely town, there's no doubt about that.

The apathy in this game is

infuriating

. Only half the bloody players are even playing for christ's sake.

[Ricastle]

Any other thoughts while you are here, ric?

Oh, I think shos is scummy. You and Bins look town, and Wanderer's reads seem unnervingly cautious although it's probably nothing.

[Ricastle]

Sure, if the situation remains remotely the same by then. With multiple likely replacements on the horizon I think there's still much of the day to go.

[Ricastle]

They were the only things that happened because Derangement wouldn't shut up about Menno which prevented the gamestate from progressing.

How is the Flubber point laughable? What, you think he planned to get dayvigged?

[Ricastle]

are you seriously accusing him of spamming the thread??? soon both me, you, bins and bell have more posts than him.

Misrep.

and the Flubber point is laughable because you can't just assume that all scum interact with their partners in the same way, which you have said based on like 1 post, and no meta at all.

One post? No, I'm talking about his exchange with me about elusive.

[Ricastle]

I'm not envisioning a lynch of any sort in the near future so I don't think it's massively important rn. But hey, pressure is fine.

VOTE: Shos

[Ricastle]

It's primarily because of my exchange with Flubber. I also like all of her recent posts (from when she properly started playing).

BRantz, what's your read on Derangement?

[Ricastle]

*actively ignores McMenno*

How is this helpful?

[Ricastle]

this obviously means that I acknowledge being asked and refuse to answer -_-;

No shit...you are a total idiot. If you prevent Menno from working with the town, how the hell do you expect him to NOT side with scum in lylo?

Unless you're scum and that's what you want, of course.

[Ricastle]

@ric:
your joindate kinda saves your butt from a vote right now for rolefishing. if McMenno wants to interact with town, he has plenty of other posts to comment about. he's ignoring the thread altogether..

Lmao what? How is calling you scum rolefishing?

He was attempting to interact with you just then. Do you understand what would happen if everyone thought like you did?

[Ricastle]

That happens sometimes. It's kind of irritating but sometimes people just forget or have something come up and deprioritize.

Got anything to say on non-Menno matters? Reads?

[Ricastle]

He's obviously a Bomb. Funny how he's quick to condemn rolefishing and then just claims for no reason.

[Ricastle]

I believe you mean supersaint.

So I do.

[Ricastle]

YOU ARE CLAIMING SUPERSAINT!!!! IT COULDN'T BE MORE FUCKING OBVIOUS!!!!

My role is nowhere near as complicated as all the other claims so don't try and pull the WTF card with me son

UNVOTE:

I'll hammer you. Bring it on.

[Ricastle]

You underestimate ika, lol.

My role is nowhere near as complicated as all the other claims so don't try and pull the WTF card with me son

If scum hammer me there is net gain, lol

What is being left in the dark here? Your role name? I am not rolefishing, you have outright claimed and anyone with half an eye can see that.

[Ricastle]

Let's say I'm scum. What the fuck would I need to fish out of you when 403 gives me all the information I need about your role? You've completely ruined any chance of your power being used to help town by your own accord.

And I'm the fool here.

[Ricastle]

Shall we lynch shos, elusive? We can decide who hammers him after your answer.

[Ricastle]

Ricastle, with him gunning for his own death I wonder about him being a jester? I'd like to see him viged at night or contained some other way just in case? What do you think? Or what do people think in general?

Not possible; Ika stated this game wasn't bastard. Although I would feel safer vigging him, we can't really coordinate that without the vig claiming.

Would you be at all willing to sacrifice yourself?

[Ricastle]

Mod, does a change in wincon but not alignment count as bastard?

[Ricastle]

From what Menno is describing his wincon changes upon death to having the faction that killed him lose; he remains third party. The question is valid.

[Ricastle]

VOTE: shos

I like this plan. Hammer's all yours, Bins.

[Ricastle]

Yeah let's not lynch Menno.

[Ricastle]

Sure, we can do that.

[Ricastle]

Elusive, you aren't voting shos.

[Ricastle]

Surely that can't be right. Dayvig & lynchproof on the scumteam would make them invincible.

[Ricastle]

so I wasn't lynched yet, it seems.
luckily ricastle just scumslipped lol

so if anyone should hammer me it's ricastle so that we can lynch him

I'm talking theoretically. But I doubt someone as desperate to detract attention from themselves as you are could be bothered to notice that.

[Ricastle]

This is total bullshit. Shos is trying to get a wagon on me for 'rolefishing'...before I said anything regarding his role, he openly stated "if scum hammer me there will be net gain". Who gives a shit if that isn't a direct claim? That is all scum need to know.

The reason rolefishing is scummy is because it gives more information to scum. What more information do scum fucking need past "Scum hammering player X will result in net gain for the town"? It is YOUR fault scum know that information, shos, NOT MINE.

And it's just laughable that you think after that, scum will gladly go ahead and hammer you like you assumed with Jeanne. ffs. You aren't out to hunt scum; you're finding ridiculous excuses to vote people and blowing them out of proportion to make it seem like a good case. You are scum.

[Ricastle]

I would be more than willing to if my role was worse than it is and there weren't any better options.

[Ricastle]

No of course you aren't lynchproof. Jeanne didn't actually hammer. But I would expect you to have a vengeful-type role anyway as you're still pushing the hammering point.

[Ricastle]

2) If shos is town, then Titus is probably town.
3) If shos is 3P, then Titus is probably town or 3P.

How are you drawing these conclusions?

[Ricastle]

I realized that hammering shos whilst assuming he was a vengeful-type role would be stupid and irresponsible in my position.

[Ricastle]

I realized that hammering shos whilst assuming he was a vengeful-type role would be stupid and irresponsible in my position.

But you have implied your role was not as important as everyone else... So why is hammering irresponsible.

I said it wasn't

complicated

, which is true. It's certainly important, no doubt about it.

[Ricastle]

There is one 'wtf' element to my role but it is very minor and does not change its actual usage.

You think I would fake softclaim a non-wtf role in wtf mafia?

[Ricastle]

I already did...it was a theoretical statement. I highly doubt a scenario where town literally cannot win would be present even in WTF Mafia.

[Ricastle]

Shos is town, almost certainly.

Why? Meta alone is not a sufficient argument.

[Ricastle]

I'd like to point to this thing here which should pretty much surpass the entire discussion that we have here.

*snip*well, I cannot be lynched *snip*

Surely that can't be right. Dayvig & lynchproof on the scumteam would make them invincible.

So then, this implies he knows/thinks that I am scum, AND that the dayvig is scum.
Why would *anyone* assume, ever, that the dayvig, that vigged scum, is scum?

response:

*snip*

ricastle just scumslipped lol

I'm talking theoretically.*snip*

When prodded again:

I already did...it was a theoretical statement. I highly doubt a scenario where town literally cannot win would be present even in WTF Mafia.

I urge you to see post 494 (above) again and decide if this is a theoretical statement that town would think about.

What is hard to understand here? The roles in this game are

randomly assigned

- anyone could have rolled dayvig and lynchproof.

If that had happened, the game would be unwinnable for town.

There is no way a setup like that would pass in

ANY GAME

. Period.

[Ricastle]

Wanderer, explain how McMenno is less of a hazard to us when he's dead and is actively out to kill town.

doesn't compute with previous 'we should lynch menno first priority'..[/quote]That was a very brief sentiment which I only considered while I did not know how Menno's role worked.

[Ricastle]

OIF COURSE THAT IT IS RIGHT. BUT EVEN IF SCUM HAVE THE DAYVIG - they will not vig themselves, rioght?!?!?! so how did this even occur to you??? It assumes both that I am scum, AND that I am teamscum, AND that I am not lying about my role, AND that the scum have the dayvig, AND that that same scum is teamscum, AND that they shot themselves???

THAT IS QUITE CLEARLY NOT WHAT I AM SAYING! FUCK OFF!

[Ricastle]

doesn't compute with previous 'we should lynch menno first priority'..

That was a very brief sentiment which I only considered while I did not know how Menno's role worked.

[Ricastle]

There is NO WAY I will vote shos. He could very well be lying, but if he isn't, the lynch options become town and town and I will not let that happen.

Titus, Bins, I'd love it if you both provided cases on me because right now it seems like you're just riding to an easy mislynch.

[Ricastle]

Oh shit. According to my ISO I am already voting shos. Which means Bins actually hammered.

Pedit: I take it you have no case on me, then. That is all I need as well.

[Ricastle]

It's not like shos will die unless he is scum, so what is your problem?

Oh come on! If he's town, the lynch choices become town and town, or Jeanne gets to decide (ugh). You pushing me into this is scummy as shit.

[Ricastle]

It was a mod error. My vote was completely legitimate. Have a look for yourself:

VOTE: shos

I like this plan. Hammer's all yours, Bins.

Still waiting for a reason as to why I'm scum that didn't appear in the last 10 posts.

Also, if you're actually okay with a disengaged lurker like Jeanne deciding the lynch then it's clear to me you aren't working in the town's interest.

[Ricastle]

Oh really? Look at her ISO and tell me that again.

You think only scum are afraid of being lynched? If shos isn't lying then it's a guaranteed mislynch. What the fuck makes you think I would be willing to make that happen?

What is my obviously scummy behaviour? Seriously, tell me.

[Ricastle]

@Titus: I have a strong townread on Bella. Why is she scum according to you?

If we go for a NL I will bet you anything that Jeanne will mislynch. As I said, she is disengaged and probably has no reads and no idea what's going on.

Pedit: You know what shos I am tired of your bullshit. You want me to hammer? Fucking fine. VOTE: shos

[Ricastle]

I would be extremely surprised if Bella was scum. For all intents and purposes it would be a guaranteed mislynch.

[Ricastle]

Look at the facts, people. Titus has failed to provide any reasoning as to why I am scum pre-P29. She doesn't think Bella is scum.

She has aggressively pushed town into a lose-lose-lose situation while pretending to scumhunt.

Combined with the fact that she replaced into the already scummy Derangement slot...Titus is scum, without a doubt.

[Ricastle]

VOTE: No Lynch

Shos, are you seriously still scumreading me for that "slip"?

[Ricastle]

It appears that the first and last people on shos's wagon get gladiated, giving him no choice in the matter.

I have been noticing that the VCs were messed up but as a result I've been finding it hard to keep track of the votes. With how everyone else was acting I assumed my most recent vote was an unvote.

[Ricastle]

Guys we have little time to DL could we please have people actually play?!

How about you answer 745?

[Ricastle]

yes. obviously.

I was actually expecting a "no, obviously, I'm scumreading you for X" but it appears you really are that stupid.

The point I was making was that IF scum were to get both the unlynchable and the dayvig on their team then they would be invincible. There is no way any setup, WTF or not, would allow a scenario where town literally could not win to exist. Therefore, my conclusion was that you were lying about your role. This point is very straightforward and I have no idea why you are continually misunderstanding it.

[Ricastle]

Oh my god...where am I saying the dayvig is scum? Does anyone else here remember that the roles were all assigned to a

random alignment

, bar one, and that at the start of the game, there was a POSSIBILITY that the scum could have received both the dayvig and the unlynchable?

[Ricastle]

lmao. I give up. You are all but trolling at this point.

[Ricastle]

I never once considered that the dayvig was scum! How could any sane townie misread me this badly?

[Ricastle]

There is no way any setup, WTF or not, would allow a scenario where town literally could not win to exist.

Does anyone else here remember that the roles were all assigned to a

random alignment

, bar one, and that at the start of the game, there was a POSSIBILITY that the scum could have received both the dayvig and the unlynchable?

Although the end of 768 makes it look like you do actually know what I'm talking about and are playing up me being crazy to discredit.

[Ricastle]

Is anyone actually voting for scum here?

[Ricastle]

No, we don't. No Lynch is a much better option than lynching someone nobody thinks is scum. What is the point?

[Ricastle]

Fucking hell

[Ricastle]

Why did you wait until this late hour to inform us of something so vital? That is ridiculously anti-town.

[Ricastle]

If the dayvig has any common sense you will be dead tomorrow.

[Ricastle]

For the last time, the roles are randomised. There is no use in claiming. All it will do is hand scum their targets on a silver platter. Although that's no doubt what you want, ain't it Titus?

Pedit: Great, can we all vote NL now?

[Ricastle]

Lynching Titus would be extremely beneficial actually. (HINT TO JEANNE: Lynch Titus!)

[Ricastle]

Okay, everyone now scum-reading Titus, why? She's being pretty ballsy, and maybe it's just the life the replacements have bought to the thread, but...

She has been advocating lynches on people she doesen't think is scum, has displayed at least once that she doesn't care who gets lynched, has provided no reason for scumreading her scumreads, and just recently advocated a massclaim which could only give advantage to scum. Also her posts are generally really fucking bad.

And she replaced into Derangement. Weren't you scumreading them? What has Titus done specifically that's made you change your mind?

[Ricastle]

Okay, let's start with you displaying that you don't care who gets lynched.

I am town reading Jeanne, so np having her decide.

Look at the lie!

You haven't given any reasoning for your scumreads? Disprove that by giving them now. Why am I, Bins, and ARS scum?

You were advocating lynching someone you didn't think was scum? You were perfectly fine for a good while with Bella being gladiated so that's true too.

[Ricastle]

I take it you won't be backing up your scumreads, then.

[Ricastle]

Because you are lying to lynch me and you slipped about thinking the saying was scum. ARS is protecting Bins. ARS is scum for lying to lynch me and lying about her intent to duck with me.

I scumslipped did I? How convenient that you only bring forth what would be absolutely crucial evidence when pushed. What is this slip, anyway?

Please quote this stuff about ducking because I have no idea what you're referring to.

[Ricastle]

We already did Ricastle. It was the fucking dayvig talk.

Jesus fucking christ.

Explain to me why that is a slip and how my subsequent explanations have been bullshit because at this point you are either toxically stubborn town or scum.

[Ricastle]

Spoiler:

This is total bullshit. Shos is trying to get a wagon on me for 'rolefishing'...before I said anything regarding his role, he openly stated "if scum hammer me there will be net gain". Who gives a shit if that isn't a direct claim? That is all scum need to know.

The reason rolefishing is scummy is because it gives more information to scum. What more information do scum fucking need past "Scum hammering player X will result in net gain for the town"? It is YOUR fault scum know that information, shos, NOT MINE.

And it's just laughable that you think after that, scum will gladly go ahead and hammer you like you assumed with Jeanne. ffs. You aren't out to hunt scum; you're finding ridiculous excuses to vote people and blowing them out of proportion to make it seem like a good case. You are scum.

doesn't compute with previous 'we should lynch menno first priority'..

That was a very brief sentiment which I only considered while I did not know how Menno's role worked.

yes. obviously.

I was actually expecting a "no, obviously, I'm scumreading you for X" but it appears you really are that stupid.

The point I was making was that IF scum were to get both the unlynchable and the dayvig on their team then they would be invincible. There is no way any setup, WTF or not, would allow a scenario where town literally could not win to exist. Therefore, my conclusion was that you were lying about your role. This point is very straightforward and I have no idea why you are continually misunderstanding it.

Oh my god...where am I saying the dayvig is scum? Does anyone else here remember that the roles were all assigned to a

random alignment

, bar one, and that at the start of the game, there was a POSSIBILITY that the scum could have received both the dayvig and the unlynchable?

Oh really? Look at her ISO and tell me that again.

You think only scum are afraid of being lynched? If shos isn't lying then it's a guaranteed mislynch. What the fuck makes you think I would be willing to make that happen?

What is my obviously scummy behaviour? Seriously, tell me.

^Dismantles shos's entire case on me. Please, please don't let yourself be played like this, Jeanne.

[Ricastle]

@Ric: that is not quote the dismantle. Everyone agrees with your point on setup balance and all, the bad thing is why the fuck you would even consider that.

To make a point that you were lying! Holy shit! How many times do I have to repeat myself?

[Ricastle]

Do you realize that only makes me a liar if scum have the dayvig?

HOW?????? We know there is a dayvig in the setup! That is all that is required to validate my statement!

Do you realize that I've already proven my role?
Do you read the game?

You hadn't proven it when I said any of that! Do you even read the game?

[Ricastle]

I am begging you Jeanne, when deadline rolls around, you have to lynch Titus or shos. They are so obvscum it isn't even funny. Don't fall for their trap.

[Ricastle]

ARS, I actually laughed out loud when I read 1002. That is the best power in the game by far, lol. With all these crazy powers running around my shitty ass boring role is looking extraordinarily unsatisfying. You do have a restriction that stops you from just eliminating the entire thread though, right?

@Anyone scumreading me that isn't Titus or shos: Why? Can anyone provide a case with points I haven't already sufficiently explained? Otherwise it seems like people are just sheeping shos while ignoring what I'm saying, which would be an aggravating way to end up dying, to say the least.

Oh, and by the way, McMenno is telling the truth. Just look at 465.

[Ricastle]

ARS: Well, thing is, my role is perfectly useful. But it's just nowhere near as...dynamic as I would like in a game with a 'WTF' theme.

So your restriction is that you have to dump all the original posts you eliminated later on? That's fair enough. When specifically do you have to do this?

I'm all up for posting reads, as well. I will probably do so today when I can be bothered or when someone asks.

[Ricastle]

Wow. That's insane. You're almost certainly town then because otherwise as scum you would just be abusing this power infinitely without anyone knowing what was going on.

[Ricastle]

Might as well post my reads too then. I'm too lazy to post reasoning so you can just ask me about specific reads if you really want to know.

In no particular order:

Town
Bins
elusive
A Royal Saint

Null-Town
Wanderer-nl
Bellaphant

Total Null (possibly 3P)
Jeanne11
Drixx
BRantz

Scum
shos
Titus

3P
McMenno

I really have no proper idea who the other third parties could be, honestly. All I do know is that we've found the mafia, which should be good for now.

[Ricastle]

Different how? I thought my posts exemplified my reads pretty well.

[Ricastle]

You would be trying to examine Jeanne's logic to see if she was town or scum and not so much working on self preservation.
You also did not vote Wanderer back when we thought we could lose two townies instead of one.
It is little things that don't seem to make sense from your read list.
There's definitiely some information missing there.

Yeah, well, I was very hesitant to vote either player and I was waiting to make sure there was nothing else we could do before I voted. I would probably have ended up voting if shos had kept up the charade for longer than he did.

The only thing I am concerned about with Jeanne right now is her pivotal ability and who it targets. She hasn't contributed at all otherwise and she seems very mouldable so I cannot get a read on her.

[Ricastle]

Who is your top choice for lynch right now?

[Ricastle]

Let's lynch him then. Vote NL with me please Bins

[Ricastle]

Shos, Bins, Wanderer, Ricastle, Bella:
Do you agree that Titus should "sensor" post #705 if that is indeed her ability?

Does anyone else have a player name as a role? Since I don't, I'm wondering about that claim.

I couldn't care less. This debate about the VCs looks like little more than useless quibbling, honestly.

I didn't get a flavourname. I don't see what Ika has to do with being a lie detector either so the claim sounds like bullshit to me.

Pedit: Wait, so you did get a flavourname, Bella? What is it?

[Ricastle]

For all your talk about Titus not playing with the town, you're failing to do that yourself right now.

ARS, destroy this post.

[Ricastle]

The roles. It would be mine too because ethicalness and not wanting to quote 1000 posts.
@Ricastle all the scum aren't dead so I can't.

How does that make any fucking sense? You're saying you can't destroy any other posts until the game is over!

[Ricastle]

Second problem: A mafia who received that role would be unable to utilise it to its fullest extent. With how the setup works, it is common sense to make all roles be beneficial to either alignment so something is off here.

[Ricastle]

Are you high? A mafia member who received it would be able to have it so town doesn't! Think of it like a cop. So scum would only hunt 3P with it. Sure I suppose they could target their buddies but why?

I must be high, because I'm not seeing how any of that relates to your role.

[Ricastle]

Mod, can we vote No Lynch?

[Ricastle]

I will try and deliver to Titus a spy camera which will record everything she does or has done to her during the night and report that to the game in the morning. I think that's specific enough.

Hold on. Could you deliver a nuke?

[Ricastle]

Ahahaha! I just thought of something brilliant but it will most likely end up a total failure. I'll check with ika.

[Ricastle]

In that case, give away a lie detector. If your target is town we will win the game.

[Ricastle]

Oh like a post lie detector and have everyone post their alignment? Or something else?

Precisely.

[Ricastle]

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=YkQj6TNPzXI
^relevant

also this is a psa to let you know that this is effectively twilight and shos will be dying at the end of it goodnight

[Ricastle]

I asked the mod about it, and in case of tie, what happens is that I get to pick which one of them dies.

You can't choose outside those two?

[Ricastle]

This is blowing my mind...I don't want to win with any of you tbh.

VOTE: Bins

[Ricastle]

Hold on...where's the dayvig?

[Ricastle]

1293: I was going to say that but didn't want to spell it out for scum. Until I realised you were scum that is.

1294: I crumbed but there is no way I am claiming to you. Forget it, chump.

[Ricastle]

ARS is an idiot obviously. Her reasoning is terrible as of course she would fuck with town by deleting VCs - that does not in the least prove that you're town.

[Ricastle]

So I'm 3rd party Mafia dayvig now am I. Well isn't that just great.

Pedit: So I'm NOT the vig? What an absolute fucking joke. You are clueless as shit mate.

[Ricastle]

Of course...because there is sufficient evidence that a night vig exists.

LOOK GUYS SHOS JUST SLIPPED BECAUSE HE KNOWS THE DAYVIG IS ON THE SCUMTEAM AND THAT I'M TOWN!!!PARANOID DOC TARGET HIM PLEASE!!!!!!!!!

[Ricastle]

Not buying this but I should at least give you the chance to explain.

I just wish I was dead so yall can see my role PM and conf town Titus. Hell I would hammer myself in that case.

How does your PM conftown her? Just bloody say why!

[Ricastle]

1) Because I had to see who wanted Titus lynched and who was scum hunting
4) It is like a cop with an unfiltered innocent. You can't just say I think they are town and rely on crumb reading. You have to make it clear but clear in such a way that helps town. Now scum have two targets that are town to worry about and know each other are town.

You keep saying this. If you honestly think you can get results on the level of an investigative through reactions then you are deluded.

And if you really are scumreading me for that first reason, your strategy has completely failed.

[Ricastle]

IT'S FRUIT TIME, BABY!!

Throw fruit at A Royal Saint

[Ricastle]

Okay that was random. Now to deconstruct this garbage.

Or we could lynch elusive + Ricastle who are clearly scum together.

Yes because my exchange with Flubber was totally a scum gambit right? How would that even work?

Thirdly ricastle's unwillingness to vote elusive puts them together.

I cannot recall a time where a case or pressure was building on elusive, so this is bull. Also I was never asked to vote her and I never outright refused. There is no point here.

Fourthly Titus dying should be a shock to no one as she was town firmed by me.

And you have yet to explain how! Does it say so in your role PM? If so, you just need to say that, instead of quote it like what you somehow think I ever wanted you to do?

Fifth point is Ricastle kept demanding me to quote my role PM several times to try to get me to demonstrate how it townfirmed Titus.

Bullshit...you haven't said anything so far that townfirms Titus. You pulled this 'townfirm' out of your ass when you realised how powerful Titus's role was and how she may likely have targeted you.

I actually completely agree with Menno's reaction here. This case is just terrible and if town sheeps it this game is over.

How do you know there are two scumteams?! Wtf. Also, that isn't 'cross-communication' you utter fool - Flubber was

talking to me

.

[Ricastle]

Oh and be afraid because I will find a way to use my power to townfirm more townies...Be very afraid scums.

WHAT DOES THIS EVEN MEAN?

[Ricastle]

I don't know where to begin. This is a misrep hell.

[Ricastle]

Lol two teams is in the rules Guaranteed 4 and parties is plural so 6 scum One team traditional mafia the others aren't.

3p = THREE PLAYERS! There is a three player scumteam!

[Ricastle]

It means what it says. Did you have a question of substance or are you just scared like you flailed yesterday in trying to get me to quote my role PM?

No, scum. You are either lying or hiding something because your claim as it is has nothing to do with townfirming anybody. So tell me. How can you townfirm players?

[Ricastle]

Oh and FYI you talked with Flubber asking what to do. I just quoted the post. Don't try to say something else. The proof is there.

Now this is just looking for anything to incriminate me. This is a crock of shit as I was clearly talking rhetorically. Funny how you never brought this up yesterday...almost as if you didn't believe in the least that this was a scumtell yesterday but now that you want to get rid of me you do.

[Ricastle]

Like it did in thread that conversation which I will quote in its entirety is just whack.

Oh yeah sorry I forgot we planned to dayvig Flubber. ffs

Exactly my point. You should have reacted how you are responding now back there. Instead it is a weird effortless push like blasé. Everyone read that.

What? I never tried to push her. What are you even trying to say here?

The only way to explain how my role PM townfirms is to quote it. *facepalm* Now I am pretty sure you are trying to be annoying and get a rise out of me.

No it fucking isn't. This is unacceptable avoidance.

VOTE: A Royal Saint

Now this is bad. You realize that 1) I had to be right on Titus being town

Now why would I be insinuating that? Think about it really hard.

2) I specifically said I was looking for other people who could use vote counts. 3) Everyone had roles adding superlatives does not make your case.

Somebody get a translator because I can't make heads or tails of this shit.

3) I offered her to target me with VC 200. So saying I was scared is crap. Never will be.

She was fucking NKed!

4) RTfSD -- Modified from warehouse thirteen. Read the fucking setup dude.
5) yes cross talk is a thing. Where scum ask each other what they should do!

Again, there is no third party team and that question was rhetorical. You twisting the latter into a point is scummy as shit.

[Ricastle]

No third party TEAM. ARS is saying there is a third party team which is completely untrue.

[Ricastle]

1) I do not believe the 3P's can talk with each other but it is a collective that probably has a kill amongst them.

Rtfsd. There is one third party scum and an undesignated number of other third parties. Does that sound like a team to you?

2) I do not believe that you planned to kill Flubber initially but there are auto suicide roles. There are also roles that provide a distinctive benefit to kill early. This is WTF mafia and I am strongly suspecting that you KNEW Flubber was going to die and that is why you asked Flubber's opinions beforehand.

I'm in agreement with elusive here - if you are town, you have gone completely insane. Flubber's death description was that he was 'shot out of nowhere' - that isn't suicide.

A third party scumteam that can't communicate, a mafia suicide gambit...it totally baffles me how town could come to these conclusions. This floundering is the epitome of grasping at straws.

And you conveniently skip over the fact that my question towards Flubber was rhetorical. Still determined to frame me in the worst possible light? Well it isn't going to work, pal. You cannot pull that shit with me.

And of course you OMGUS when I don't quote my role PM *rolls eyes* I already volunteered to die to prove I am town, and I am a valuable asset as I townfirm people and you try to lynch me. Whatever. People will either see through this or take care of you and elusive tomorrow. Either way is fine by me as I have all day to lay out my case if I am right and it is auto suicide.

"I'm putting my life on the line so I'm town!!!!!!"

You cannot explain how you can townfirm players because you can't. You are bullshitting and that is clearer to me than ever now.

[Ricastle]

Special rules

Everyone has a fucked up role
They are not alignment indicative, this game is smalltown
There are exactly 4 scums (3p team and one 3rd party)
There may be other 3rd parties

update: tommorow noight most likely role pm will go out

for reference guys.

I think you need to read that post again because you're making a fool of yourself.

There are exactly 4 scums (3p team and one 3rd party) - 3p team AND a '3rd party'. There is one 3rd party in the scum. The other three are Mafia. This is basic-ass shit.

[Ricastle]

Ricastle, your arguments suck ass. They do.

Be the better player and tell me how then. You've been nothing but condescending this game while doing jack shit to help town yourself and it's seriously getting on my nerves.

I know, that's what I've been saying..?

So 1372 was simply another avenue to vent your arrogance? That's just pathetic.

[Ricastle]

I was conveying that the '3p' in ika's post meant a three player Mafia team. So we were saying the same thing. :l

I'm not an alt, no.

[Ricastle]

And I already answered that.

ARS is an idiot obviously. Her reasoning is terrible as of course she would fuck with town by deleting VCs - that does not in the least prove that [Titus is] town.

How can you townfirm

more players

?

[Ricastle]

And you finally admitted I townfirmed Titus through your emphasis on more players meaning I townfirmed Titus. Awesome.

No, I'm playing along with your claim. Can you answer the question,

Apparently the clarification bug is going around... I has no more nukes and am now VT

especially now that this has happened you should have no excuse not to? Also, how has this happened?

[Ricastle]

I don't think Ricastle is scum. I have decent reasons to believe what I believe.

Ah, finally someone who isn't throwing shitty-ass accusations at me. I appreciate the support.

[Ricastle]

I haven't thought about him much but looking back he has pretty much avoided most of the game, only appearing to discuss his role and where he's voting. I don't like that. I assume you have town meta on him where he's more active?

[Ricastle]

So, ARS...why can you not do this anymore?

[Ricastle]

If someone made a request for a certain post I could nuke it and be told their alignment. And that it would only be dickish to town.

@Ricastle -- Because my nukes got disarmed by the mod

That doesn't sound remotely believable. What constitutes a request?

Did he give a reason why? Funny how this happens right when you're asked to expound on the townfirms.

[Ricastle]

If you are somehow town ARS, you are going to look like an utter fool post-game; nothing more.

Wanderer, who did you target?

[Ricastle]

if you're so sure why aren't you voting me? Hmmm

And I am beyond town. This is clearly a scum driven campaign between that and changing mechanics this slot was fucked. I am staying offline for a while but since people are too chicken shit to actually vote me as they know what I am saying is true then here's a gift

VOTE: ARS

Peace out

I am voting you. Don't talk to me about flailing and then go on to do shit like this, jesus christ.

[Ricastle]

Enough of this nonsense.

I am the vest giver

. There. It should have been quite obvious considering nobody else has fruit.

[Ricastle]

Boy, look at all these empty walls. Wake me up when we start lynching ARS.

[Ricastle]

A Royal Saint

: Post deleter who can get the alignment of a player who requests a deletion - partially confirmed

Ricastle

: Bulletproof Vest Giver - confirmed

Drixx

: Anything Vendor - confirmed

Bellaphant

: Dolphin - confirmed

shos

: Lynchproof Gladiator - confirmed

Jeanne11

: Lynch decider in the event of a NL, official rolename is Governor or some shit

Wanderer-nl

: JOAT with an investigate? I have no idea

McMenno

: vote-only Restless Spirit Survivor whose wincon changes to having whoever killed/hammered them lose upon death

elusive/tere

: Chairman

[Ricastle]

@ric, why is ars scum?

She's bullshitting about her role and bullshitting about me. Frankly, I cannot see her constant evasiveness in regards to her role and her disgusting misreps against me as coming from a town mindset.

[Ricastle]

What was stopping you from just saying "everyone please request a VC so I can delete it and get your alignment"?

[Ricastle]

1) Claiming investigative works really well d1. Just ask Titus. Oh wait.

2) I have fake claimed cop in a lot of games. Titus and elusive would have tried to stop it. I had to work around what would be their skepticism.

Furthermore it had to be a request not prompted by me. Because only those who would need a VC are town. You will see based on my role PM.

This is bullshit. Why are you willing to die to prove something you can just paraphrase right now? This is either a gambit or a concession. Either way, it isn't town.

Titus is the only role we have seen that requires VCs to work. Your claim that you could townfirm more players therefore makes no bloody sense!

[Ricastle]

ARS's role PM sounds like it would make a great novel.

[Ricastle]

You originally said you could only blow up VCs. What is true here?

Menno for the love of Christ do something or I'm going to have to agree with the forming consensus that you're lying and are coasting to endgame without worry.

[Ricastle]

*sigh* still true Ricastle you just keep saying I am changing that to further your goal. My PM says to be an appendage to town I can blow up VCs therefore the need had to be there so I function like investigative. Stop twisting words and saying I "changed" when I didn't. I have only changed twice based on mod intervention.

Tere -- please comment on the last post before elusive's replace out. I want to see how you explain a blatant scumslip. And yes this is my way of trying to get people to read that post. Until people comment on it I will keep asking.

The word 'changed' did not even appear in my post. I was asking you wether you really can only delete VCs as you just mentioned deleting the thread. Also, in your first conversation with me about your role, you said you could delete any post. But if you really want me to say it: Your story has changed.

That is in no way a scumslip and only shows how desperate you are to deflect attention from yourself. If elusive was scum, both of the points she made would be untrue in this case, so she's hardly employing knowledge of the scum mindset.

(Also sorry, you guys appear to have drawn asshole Tere )

Bet you can't beat me!

What are your reads on non-ARS players? (assuming they've changed since your P10 post)

[Ricastle]

*group hugs* Yay townbloc!

[Ricastle]

I am laying low because I don't want to be offed before I get to use my role, thus getting myself a confirmed town credo.

Please play the game or replace out.

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Dayvig, shoot this please.

[Ricastle]

No of course I wouldn't have protected Titus when she was my biggest scumread in the game...and you said yourself just then the obvious fact that the roles are randomised, so her claiming investigative meant nothing.

Drixx will likely prove to be much more useful than Wanderer, whose current claim is and has been very vague, so it's not solid ground to spend a vest on over someone who we know has the potential to investigate and more. And she was not "outed". I have no idea what you're referring to there but what I do know is it's probably bullshit.

This is flailing scum. You're not responding to anyone else about you and are lashing out, regurgitating the same old over-answered points in an attempt to drive pressure away from you. Sorry, but you're dead scum, and none of this commandeering bullvision is going to help you change that.

[Ricastle]

It wouldn't hurt to wait for the dayvig shot.

[Ricastle]

Wanderer: Remember, if ARS is Mafia, then she only has one other partner out there. The chances of a counterwagon are therefore not high. Besides, I'm not seeing the wagon being Mafia-driven; I am town, Tere is town, shos could be third party but that's irrelevant in this case, and McMenno is third party which is again irrelevant. I'd say it's a safe lynch.

[Ricastle]

LMAO @ "the scum 6"...this is just hilarious.

If elusive was scum, both of the points she made would be untrue in this case, so she's hardly employing knowledge of the scum mindset.

Oh and keep ignoring this while you're at it.

[Ricastle]

Consider it done.

[Ricastle]

Utterly hair-wrenching ending...utterly hair-wrenching game in general. Drixx, you're a real trooper.