NY 163: Void Mountain of the Nightless Temple (Game Over)

Zdenek · Post Post #626 (isolation #0) » Mon Apr 01, 2013 3:45 pm

I'll read the thread within 24 hours.

Zdenek · Post Post #629 (isolation #1) » Mon Apr 01, 2013 3:57 pm

Page 2 says Reek is scum. They're basically causing the problem about the self-vote that they are worried about.

Zdenek · Post Post #660 (isolation #2) » Tue Apr 02, 2013 12:47 pm

Well, I may break my promise. I've managed to read to page 14. Here are my top 5 scum reads in no particular order.

Antilles
MetalOh
Reek
KBW
The Acting Method

Zdenek · Post Post #661 (isolation #3) » Tue Apr 02, 2013 12:48 pm

Mod: could you put the replacements in the first post

Oh, right. Thanks for reminding me.

Zdenek · Post Post #738 (isolation #4) » Wed Apr 03, 2013 12:56 pm

In post 662, TheLurker wrote:as inaccurate as expected from scum slot

I'm pretty sure that your reasons for thinking that BT is scum are actually a case for him being town; well, or just total BS, but what do I know.

Actually the fact that you are accusing me of being scum for having different reads than you when I've only read half the thread is profound BS.

In post 664, RachMarie wrote:I don't see post 658 coming from scum there Z dude... Why is MO on your list? Sure the two of them have done some oddball things, but overall I get a towny feel from them.

Well, I hadn't read it at the time, and now that I have, I'm pretty sure 658 is null.

I'll explain reads once I'm done reading the thread.

In post 663, Ms Marangal wrote:I see nothing wrong with Zedenek's scum-reads. it could very well be the fact that he's town who doesn't know how to separate Anti-town actions from town actions, and frankly I'm having a bit of trouble doing that this game as well

As a matter of interest which of the reads do you disagree with?

Anyway, I'll finish reading tonight because shit's obviously going down soon.

-preview edit, fucking hydra-dissonance.

Zdenek · Post Post #799 (isolation #5) » Thu Apr 04, 2013 12:15 pm

I don't think that we should lynch TUA. After reading the thread, I don't have a great read on them, but I am sure that they are a suboptimal lynch, and I'd like to give them more time.

Zdenek · Post Post #801 (isolation #6) » Thu Apr 04, 2013 12:37 pm

To post things, so that I can get a stronger read on them.

Zdenek · Post Post #803 (isolation #7) » Thu Apr 04, 2013 12:45 pm

Zdenek · Post Post #804 (isolation #8) » Thu Apr 04, 2013 1:02 pm

TUA, can you explain why you thought that OtterHorse was being stupid.

Zdenek · Post Post #805 (isolation #9) » Thu Apr 04, 2013 1:05 pm

These are my town reads:
ArcAngel
Titan
HD
Ms. Marangal.
Klick

These people are null-weak town.
Bulbazak
Robocoptor
RachMarie

Zdenek · Post Post #807 (isolation #10) » Thu Apr 04, 2013 1:09 pm

Rach, is Jennifer scum?

Zdenek · Post Post #809 (isolation #11) » Thu Apr 04, 2013 1:10 pm

DGB is scum because Reek was scum.

Zdenek · Post Post #813 (isolation #12) » Thu Apr 04, 2013 3:30 pm

In post 807, Zdenek wrote:Rach, is Jennifer scum?

Zdenek · Post Post #815 (isolation #13) » Thu Apr 04, 2013 3:31 pm

In post 812, RachMarie wrote:@ Z dude and MM

Do you feel your read on DGB as scum is stronger than your read on the peeps you are voting for, if so why have you not voted for her?

Nope, to your first question.

Zdenek · Post Post #914 (isolation #14) » Sat Apr 06, 2013 10:45 am

Vote: KBW

Zdenek · Post Post #977 (isolation #15) » Mon Apr 08, 2013 12:53 pm

In post 950, Rainbowdash wrote:DGB is somewhat likely town

KBW voted her for something like 12 hours, so I'm pretty indifferent to this.

But this is solid.

Vote: Jennifer

Zdenek · Wed Apr 10, 2013 12:34 pm

In post 1002, Bulbazak wrote:Please explain.

What don't you understand?

Zdenek · Wed Apr 10, 2013 12:36 pm

Bulb's posts are really long and I don't care about much of what he's writing, so he's worrying me a lot.

Zdenek · Post Post #1068 (isolation #18) » Fri Apr 12, 2013 4:44 am

In post 1037, Bulbazak wrote:What don't you care about? Some specifics would be nice. Or are you one of those players who automatically assume someone is scum, because they post walls?

Most of it. There's no way that I'm going through them again to find things that I don't care about.
I don't assume that players who post walls are scum, I assume that scum try to look town though, and one way to do that is with *effort*.
So I think that fake effort, like writing pointless walls is scummy.

In post 1037, Bulbazak wrote:I don't understand your reasoning for jumping on the Jen wagon. You never explained it. What it looks like instead is just plain sheeping, which others on the wagon at least admitted to doing.

That question had nothing to do with the Jen wagon, so go back a look again.

I'm voting Jen because I like wagons and she's not on my town list.

Zdenek · Post Post #1069 (isolation #19) » Fri Apr 12, 2013 4:46 am

In post 1052, Titan wrote:In other news I do still like a dgb wagon. Why doesn't anyone else?

I can do that.

Zdenek · Post Post #1070 (isolation #20) » Fri Apr 12, 2013 4:47 am

In fact, I will

Vote: DGB

Zdenek · Fri Apr 12, 2013 12:57 pm

In post 1074, Bulbazak wrote:in a post breaking down the Jen wagon? Yeah, I believe the context is pretty clear. I was asking what was so "solid" about the Jen vote. You never really answered. Nice try though.

I thought it was about the DGB thing.

Why do you think that Jenny is town?

Zdenek · Post Post #1081 (isolation #22) » Fri Apr 12, 2013 1:00 pm

Hey Titan,
I'm Bulbazak like MJaye from ADWD. What do you two think?

Zdenek · Post Post #1088 (isolation #23) » Sat Apr 13, 2013 3:07 am

What about Jennifer?

Zdenek · Post Post #1089 (isolation #24) » Sat Apr 13, 2013 3:21 am

In post 1083, Bulbazak wrote:
In post 1080, Zdenek wrote:
Why do you think that Jenny is town?

In post 1007, Bulbazak wrote:
First of all, questions like this:

In post 792, Jennifer wrote:
What specific reads are Nero/Mastin both aligned on and what are those reads?
What specific reads do Nero/Mastin disagree on and what are those reads?
What people do neither Nero or Mastin have a read on?
If one of you has a read on someone and the other has no read on that person, who is the person, who has the read (and what is it), and who has no opinion?

and this:

In post 968, Jennifer wrote:
I can't say anything about why Serra replaced out because I don't know. I'm not sure what "AtE" you're talking about. You only give vague reasons for your read and seems like you're just trying to jump on the popular wagon du jour.
- What specifically about Serra's play did you find not like his town play?
- Also, even assuming I'm your top scum read, who else do you think is scum? Are you calling Antilles a scum read, or are you riding the fence on that one?

Second, her reason for not voting Key is actually good, and she has been very consistent regarding this reason. It is not anti-town at all to give someone the chance to defend themselves. I normally find those who say the opposite to be suspect.

Are you sure you're reading the game?

I'm not really reading your posts because they irritate me, so I'm doing this instead.

You think it's townie to not vote for scum because the scum is lurking and you think that it's suspect to vote for lurking players?

Zdenek · Post Post #1137 (isolation #25) » Sun Apr 14, 2013 1:58 am

In post 1124, Rainbowdash wrote:
In post 1113, Klick wrote:Can I ask how I placed a spot on the death list, aside from not really doing much?

D1 camp on TUA while attacking (yet never voting) DGB paired with early passive defense to later ignoring KBW.

Then how the D1 attacking of DGB really hasnt rolled over to today bugs me too.

Okay, we can lynch Klick, but if he flips scum can we auto-lynch DGB?

Zdenek · Post Post #1138 (isolation #26) » Sun Apr 14, 2013 2:00 am

In post 1136, Metal Overlord wrote:Also, I strongly disagree with the DGB wagon, and with the Antilles wagon, is there any reason we're voting them aside from the whole total of 10 posts thing?

You're not voting.

Zdenek · Post Post #1139 (isolation #27) » Sun Apr 14, 2013 2:34 am

Metal Overlord is almost sure town.

They voted KBW yesterday, and then unvoted because they were worried about having put him at L-1, and I don't see them faking that move with a buddy.

Zdenek · Sun Apr 14, 2013 12:34 pm

In post 1148, Rainbowdash wrote:Whats with basically everypony calling DGB scum either way?

Either way? What are the options?

Zdenek · Tue Apr 16, 2013 12:31 pm

In post 1154, Zdenek wrote:
In post 1148, Rainbowdash wrote:Whats with basically everypony calling DGB scum either way?

Either way? What are the options?

I still want to know this.

Zdenek · Tue Apr 16, 2013 12:44 pm

I pretty much agree with Antilles that the transparently scum post that MM made was transparently scum.

Vote Ms. Marangal

Zdenek · Post Post #1185 (isolation #31) » Tue Apr 16, 2013 2:47 pm

Marangal,

I'm reading Bulb as blathering scum, but he's posting so much that's going to be a tough sell at this point, so I've put it on the backbumer. I don't think that MO is scum with Bulby, and since I've got Bulby in the scum pile, MO gets to be town for now, basically I'm leaving those two alone for a bit to see how other things pan out.

Why do you think that Bulby is town?

Antilles could be scum, but they made a couple of good points about you, so I decided to plunge in and see what happened.

I think you have a good point about Lurker. Acting Method was pretty scummy and Lurker is doing nothing.

Why are you not voting anyone?

Zdenek · Post Post #1186 (isolation #32) » Tue Apr 16, 2013 2:49 pm

Antillies, how did you get to townBulby based on that post?

Zdenek · Post Post #1187 (isolation #33) » Tue Apr 16, 2013 2:55 pm

Looking things over I'm incredibly paranoid about TheUnderachievers.

In a past game with Nero I read him as scum (mistakingly) because he aggressively tried to tie people together based on his reads of others for what I thought were really weak reasons, and when one of the people he was doing this with flipped scum, it seemed like he was trying to set-up future lynches based on this guys scum flip. This sort of play seems fairly characteristic for him as town.

It's not happing here at all.

Zdenek · Wed Apr 17, 2013 12:47 pm

Unvote

Vote TheLurker

Zdenek · Wed Apr 17, 2013 12:59 pm

In post 1345, BBmolla wrote:lol

WTF?

Mar, he is absolutely a viable wagon. There are three days and we don't need a majority.

Zdenek · Post Post #1350 (isolation #36) » Wed Apr 17, 2013 1:37 pm

You still think Antilles is the best lynch?

Zdenek · Post Post #1353 (isolation #37) » Wed Apr 17, 2013 1:56 pm

Titan is a bad lynch because of the end of day yesterday.

Zdenek · Thu Apr 18, 2013 12:15 pm

TheLurker was bussing scum and you should vote for him.

Zdenek · Post Post #1376 (isolation #39) » Thu Apr 18, 2013 2:45 pm

In post 1375, Rainbowdash wrote:Like to the point where I am half convinced he is somepony who is competent just trolling.

Really?

Zdenek · Post Post #1378 (isolation #40) » Thu Apr 18, 2013 2:59 pm

Eh.

Unvote
Vote: TheUnderAchivers

I've played with town-Nero, this isn't that. They're scum.

In other news, I've decided that Bulbazak is town.
Ms. M. is maybe scum, but there are several better lynches.
TheLurker is almost scum for sure, and lynching him would be glorious, but really there's no case other than he showed up in the game threw his vote down on scum and proceeded to lurk, which is so incredibly compatible with scum play that it makes him unlikely to be town.

Zdenek · Post Post #1379 (isolation #41) » Thu Apr 18, 2013 3:00 pm

In post 1377, Rainbowdash wrote:He is really that bad. There are players who are weak, then there are players who almost have to be trying to be that weak. It would not in the least bit be a surprise to see him as somepony who is just screwing around instead of trying to win.

If you that is what is happening it doesn't make sense to also think that he as scum he wouldn't vote a buddy.

Zdenek · Sat Apr 20, 2013 11:29 am

In post 1381, Titan wrote:Yo

Sup

Still haven't read some of the game, but did read Ms M in ISO in relation to KBW, and she was actually all over the place yesterday >_>

Do you think that is an indication of anything?

Zdenek · Sat Apr 20, 2013 11:30 am

In post 1384, Bulbazak wrote:What are you confused about? Antilles showed up after a long absence, said absolutely nothing of substance in a wall post, his wagon derailed, and now the votes are spread out. I would like more votes on Antilles, but I think the rest of his team is making it difficult.

Who are those people?

Zdenek · Sat Apr 20, 2013 11:32 am

In post 1395, TheUnderachivers wrote:
In post 1378, Zdenek wrote:Eh.

Unvote
Vote: TheUnderAchivers

I've played with town-Nero, this isn't that. They're scum.
oh noes its politics mafia all over again!!!!! If you're town you need to switch your vote. DGB is a likely KBW buddy 'cause she attacked KBW in the beginning but tried hard to not get him lynched. Jennifer may be scum for her shit attack on us and her selectively hunting MO.

The point is that it is exactly not Politics Mafia. I am seeing nothing of that game in your play here.

Zdenek · Sat Apr 20, 2013 11:54 am

Syryana, get your vote on TUA.

Zdenek · Sat Apr 20, 2013 11:56 am

In post 1499, Bulbazak wrote:
In post 1496, Zdenek wrote:
In post 1384, Bulbazak wrote:What are you confused about? Antilles showed up after a long absence, said absolutely nothing of substance in a wall post, his wagon derailed, and now the votes are spread out. I would like more votes on Antilles, but I think the rest of his team is making it difficult.
Who are those people?
Honestly, still working on it. Probably some of my null/scum reads. The good thing is that it would clear MO and DGB, as I don't see those two being scum buddies with Antilles. It would also move RBD to the def. town pile. My plan at this point is to lynch a a strong read from one of my two competing scum teams (MO/DGB vs. Antilles) and see which direction to pursue come d3.

With that in mind...

Unvote

Vote Dripping Goofball

You think antilles is scum, that an antilles scum flip would clear DGB, and you are voting DGB? How does that decision make any sense?

Zdenek · Sat Apr 20, 2013 11:57 am

Oh I see. I didn't read your post to the end.

Zdenek · Sat Apr 20, 2013 12:07 pm

In post 1503, TheUnderachivers wrote:No this is exactly like politics mafia 'cause you're tunneling me again.

LOL

Eat rope.

Zdenek · Sat Apr 20, 2013 12:42 pm

Why do you think this precludes them from being buddies?

Zdenek · Post Post #1525 (isolation #50) » Sat Apr 20, 2013 1:11 pm

In post 1521, Titan wrote:It doesn't.

I wasn't talking to you, and you know better than to answer questions directed at other people.

Zdenek · Post Post #1538 (isolation #51) » Sat Apr 20, 2013 1:22 pm

In post 1536, Titan wrote:
In post 1525, Zdenek wrote:
In post 1521, Titan wrote:It doesn't.
I wasn't talking to you, and you know better than to answer questions directed at other people.
So, it was something that I had been contemplating since he said it earlier.

I ask questions to get reads on people. When you give them answers, it doesn't work any more.

Zdenek · Post Post #1593 (isolation #52) » Sat Apr 20, 2013 2:58 pm

In post 1584, Bulbazak wrote:It's good to see DGB dipping into all the stupid. Means flailing, which means she's scum.

Where are you getting this from?

Zdenek · Post Post #1594 (isolation #53) » Sat Apr 20, 2013 3:00 pm

Antilles would be a good lynch, but I don't want DGB lynched, so there's no way that I am moving my vote unless someone from the DGB wagon goes first.

Zdenek · Post Post #1599 (isolation #54) » Sat Apr 20, 2013 3:16 pm

In post 1598, Bulbazak wrote:If I could be guaranteed that we'd get enough votes for a lynch, I'd switch in a heartbeat. But for the moment, I'm keeping my vote where it'll do the most good.

DGB isn't being lynched today.
TUA will be.
If you want Antilles lynched, vote him I'll follow.

Zdenek · Post Post #1603 (isolation #55) » Sat Apr 20, 2013 3:20 pm

More will come.

Zdenek · Post Post #1605 (isolation #56) » Sat Apr 20, 2013 3:23 pm

Why the fuck are demanding HD be the one to do it?

Zdenek · Post Post #1609 (isolation #57) » Sat Apr 20, 2013 3:29 pm

You should probably just vote Antilles because otherwise there is basically no chance for you to get a lynch through that you want. We don't even know if HD will be back.

Zdenek · Post Post #1613 (isolation #58) » Sat Apr 20, 2013 3:33 pm

Ok, so you are scum. Good to know.

Zdenek · Sun Apr 21, 2013 12:58 am

Vote: Antilles

Zdenek · Post Post #1661 (isolation #60) » Sun Apr 21, 2013 1:13 am

In post 678, Jennifer wrote:Welcome, DGB and Zdenek.

I skimmed at what I missed while gone. I want to start playing the game at the same time of the rest of you and not a few days behind like I have been (sorry).

We only have 3 days left to reach for a consensus on a lynch, so I think barring something crazy that we need to decide between lynching Underachivers or Keywieldblader.

I would vote KWB but he just posted that he is V/LA this week and if not back needs to be replaced, so we won't get anything more out of him.

VOTE: Underachivers
^

L-2

This post makes Jen prob-town, and definitely a bad lynch today.

Zdenek · Post Post #1662 (isolation #61) » Sun Apr 21, 2013 1:15 am

I agree she has a shitty voting record, but I don't see her bussing KBW and TUA, and choosing to vote TUA of the two.

Zdenek · Post Post #1681 (isolation #62) » Sun Apr 21, 2013 2:47 am

DGB, is your Antilles-town reasoning that scum would be on one of the main wagons because they'd either be bussing or defending a buddy?

Zdenek · Sun Apr 21, 2013 10:30 am

Who do you think are town?

Zdenek · Sun Apr 21, 2013 11:27 am

That is so dumb.

Zdenek · Mon Apr 22, 2013 10:31 am

In post 1716, Jennifer wrote:I'm not willing to vote Bulb, because he's literally the most town person in this game to me. He's the only one that seemed to get that there was no legitimate case on me before and actually call people out on that.

So why is Bulb town for this?

Zdenek · Mon Apr 22, 2013 10:33 am

The only person who I am willing to consider voting anytime soon who was on the TUA lynch wagon is Syryana.

Zdenek · Mon Apr 22, 2013 12:14 pm

So, let's see:

On yesterday's lynch wagon:

DrippingGoofball, Human Destroyer, zdenek, BBmolla, Syryana, Metal Overlord

For now everyone get's a pass.

I've been over why I think Jennifer is town.

In post 339, TheUnderachivers wrote:
In post 333, RachMarie wrote:UA WTF??? What is your reasoning
keys ISO is mainly fluff posting and active lurking. Why are you so defensive here?

Makes DCL reasonably likely to be town.

While I really dislike that Arcangel failed to vote yesterday and I'm a bit concerned that Mastin was bussing her early (because the case he used was silly and he dropped it really easily), this

In post 577, TheUnderachivers wrote:This is why there are some people on this site that don't think you're very good. Your being OMGUSy (on me) and it really blows. Mastin was right that your voting this hydra is selective but it was RVS so I don't think it was any kind of tell. I know you get offended when people wrongly accuse you but you should stop grudging on Mastin for putting a crap vote on you and kill MOscum today.

plea from TUA makes me think that she's town.

Klick is probably town for questioning TUA about their vote on KBW.

The way that Titan's reads have developed seems quite natural, and don't want to lynch them.

And we're down to:

Antilles (hydra)
ms. marangal
Bulbazak
RainbowDash

RBD has a reasonable chance of being scum since TUA pushed them as scum on day one and reversed their read on day two, and RBD stayed off both wagons yesterday. RBD also pushed TUA day one and stayed off that wagon day two.

In post 1478, Antilles wrote:TheUnderachivers don't really feel like scum to me.
Their point about not wanting to be mislynched early as they were in the other Large Normal they have played, is extremely fair.

Is truly terrible, so bad that I don't think he'd say it about a buddy who might have been flipped.

Of these remaining 4, I don't think that Marangal and Antilles are buddies. RBD pushing Antilles means that Antilles probably isn't scum with him.

Anyway,

Vote: RBD

Zdenek · Mon Apr 22, 2013 12:30 pm

In post 1124, Rainbowdash wrote:
In post 1113, Klick wrote:Can I ask how I placed a spot on the death list, aside from not really doing much?
D1 camp on TUA while attacking (yet never voting) DGB paired with early passive defense to later ignoring KBW.

Then how the D1 attacking of DGB really hasnt rolled over to today bugs me too.

If you quote the whole thing it's better, since he's encouraging Klick to vote you, over, say, TUA.

Zdenek · Mon Apr 22, 2013 12:32 pm

In post 1736, DrippingGoofball wrote:
In post 1571, Rainbowdash wrote:Antilles being scum means that TUA is town. TUA is more likely scum than DGB just comparing the two though (although both are town probably). Antilles-scum also means DGB is probably town. Which is basically what my reads on those two already are.
There are several posts where RD tunnels on Antilles, and makes pre-flip dominos falls.

Suppose that RD is scum. She is pushing for an Antilles lynch quite strongly. If Antilles flips scum... then TUA is town, and I'm town. That would mean that RD is Antille's buddy, and bus'ing Antilles to save TUA?

The mental gymnastics are too exhausting to be scum.

No, he's not bussing there. It's just a garbage argument to sway people to lynch someone else, by promising information.

Zdenek · Mon Apr 22, 2013 12:34 pm

In post 1571, Rainbowdash wrote:BLEH!

I need to think on this.

Antilles being scum means that TUA is town. TUA is more likely scum than DGB just comparing the two though (although both are town probably). Antilles-scum also means DGB is probably town. Which is basically what my reads on those two already are.

Im going to spend the hour or so thinking about this, but if we can quicklynch ANtilles that would be awesome.

Seriously look at his "oh TUA is town guys" post with a few hours to deadline that does absolutely nothing to actually stop TUA from getting lynched. He isnt voting DGB (or even talking about her), just still complaining that nopony is following his non-existant case.

Seriously, we get like two votes from each wagon on Antilles and we can actually lynch scum, right now we are basically guarenteed to hit town.

You should have also quoted all of this one, since he also tries to set up Antilles to look scummy after TUA flips.

Zdenek · Mon Apr 22, 2013 12:40 pm

bulbazak help me lynch scum.

Zdenek · Mon Apr 22, 2013 12:53 pm

In post 1746, Bulbazak wrote:I believe Mastin when he says he doesn't bus.

Why?

Because that's simply a lie.

Zdenek · Mon Apr 22, 2013 12:54 pm

In post 1746, Bulbazak wrote:I noted a complete lack of bussing on TUA's part.

THEY VOTED KBW.

Zdenek · Post Post #1753 (isolation #74) » Mon Apr 22, 2013 1:04 pm

In post 1750, DrippingGoofball wrote:Isn't this advocating a policy lynch of KBW the dumbest sort of bus'ing?

Not really because it also subtly defends him because it's calling him a policy lynch rather than scum.

Zdenek · Post Post #1754 (isolation #75) » Mon Apr 22, 2013 1:06 pm

I'll probably end up voting Bulbazak because his defence of RBD was just insane.

Zdenek · Post Post #1756 (isolation #76) » Mon Apr 22, 2013 1:12 pm

I really think that both slots shifting reads on the other after a day one scum lynch points strongly to them being partners, and over-shadows almost anything else, especially since both slots are occupied by experienced players.

Zdenek · Post Post #1779 (isolation #77) » Mon Apr 22, 2013 3:03 pm

In post 1759, Bulbazak wrote:Actually, TUA unvoted KBW. They were not on the final wagon. If you read the thread you can clearly see hydra dissonance over bussing KBW. Nero wanted to bus him. Mastin, however, did not.

So when you say complete lack of bussing what the fuck do you mean?

Zdenek · Post Post #1780 (isolation #78) » Mon Apr 22, 2013 3:12 pm

In post 1778, Rainbowdash wrote:Where in this do I say TUA-scum means Antilles-scum?

Rereading, I misread. You do the opposite. Nevermind.

Zdenek · Post Post #1781 (isolation #79) » Mon Apr 22, 2013 3:16 pm

Well not the opposite to that, but the opposite of what I thought you were doing. Here, where you say, "Seriously look at his "oh TUA is town guys" post with a few hours to deadline that does absolutely nothing to actually stop TUA from getting lynched. " Doesn't attempt to cast suspicion on Antilles if there is a TUA scum flip, I misread it, and thought that it did.

Zdenek · Post Post #1821 (isolation #80) » Tue Apr 23, 2013 5:52 am

Bulbazak, I'd still like to know who you think is town.

Zdenek · Post Post #1823 (isolation #81) » Tue Apr 23, 2013 6:21 am

In post 728, Ms Marangal wrote:uuhhh... there are no PR's in this game Titan

and I'm seeing TUA as a stronger scum read the KBW, but not by much. I would much rather get Lurker lynched

and I'm defitenly not seeing MO scum

goddamn Posts

This makes me not want to lynch Marangal.

Zdenek · Post Post #1831 (isolation #82) » Tue Apr 23, 2013 8:53 am

Unvote
Vote: Syryana

Zdenek · Post Post #1839 (isolation #83) » Tue Apr 23, 2013 1:58 pm

In post 1838, Bulbazak wrote:
In post 1821, Zdenek wrote:Bulbazak, I'd still like to know who you think is town.
HD, Titan, Syryana, Jennifer, MO, and AA9. DC, BBMolla, and RBD are probably town too.

Explain Syryana.

Zdenek · Post Post #1841 (isolation #84) » Tue Apr 23, 2013 2:02 pm

which interactions?

Zdenek · Post Post #1843 (isolation #85) » Tue Apr 23, 2013 2:34 pm

In post 1842, BBmolla wrote:
In post 1841, Zdenek wrote:which interactions?
He called him town then randomly in every other post acted as if Klick was scum.

It looks like they had Klick as a scum read until later in the day, when one of the two of them said he was a weak-town read. Where did you see them call Klick town first?

Zdenek · Post Post #1845 (isolation #86) » Tue Apr 23, 2013 2:42 pm

In post 378, Klick wrote:UNVOTE:

So off the top of my head, I have this:

1.
Reek (hydra of Channeldelibird and Nexus)

2.
Human destroyer

3. Antilles (hydra)
4.
Titan (hydra of Ser Arthut Dayne and Tammy

5.
ms. marangal

6.
RachMarie

7. The Acting Method
8. BT
9.
Bulbazak

10. Serrapaladin
11.
The Underachievers (hydra of Nero Cain and Mastin2)

12. Keybladewielder
13. Robocopter87
14.
Klick

15. Metal Overlord (hydra of metal sonic and kx)
16.
Otterhorse (hydra of zoraster and Rainbowdash)

17.
Arcangel9

With HD, Marangal, RM, Bulba, and AA being the particularly strong reads. I have a hunch that serra is town as well, but I'm more null on him than town. Willing to go into more detail on anything upon request.

Gonna look more into it shortly.

In post 557, Klick wrote:shit

Really sorry guys, I didn't mean to wait this long to post here.

VOTE: TUA

MO is probably town based on his extremely obvious desire to not get lynched. I guess he could be trying to get one mislynch through before his death, but it's much more likely that he's town. Other than that, I support this wagon the most by far.

In post 622, Klick wrote:To answer your question, pretty sure Key's just like that? At least, that's what pretty much everyone voting him is saying. He's null.

In post 656, Klick wrote:Hey TUA, why is KBW scum?

In post 722, Klick wrote:
In post 718, TheUnderachivers wrote:And, yeah. Right now, looks like a MO-DGB-Lurker-Jennifer scumteam.

We can get that MO lynch.
He picked three good town reads and Lurker.

If TUA is scum, I want to lynch Lurker next.

Mod: Did Klick ask to be replaced? Or flake?

Because he's active on the site again.

Zdenek · Post Post #1846 (isolation #87) » Tue Apr 23, 2013 2:42 pm

I didn't mean to quote all of that. The only thing I wanted to ask was the question to the mod.

Zdenek · Post Post #1847 (isolation #88) » Tue Apr 23, 2013 2:45 pm

Klick could easily be scum here. They were attacking TUA day one, and backed off day two and lurked to replacement, and is active elsewhere on the site.

Zdenek · Post Post #1891 (isolation #89) » Thu Apr 25, 2013 3:59 am

I'm still pretty sure that Syryana is the best lynch today. Him calling the thread "crap," as a justification to not reread doesn't make too much sense coming from town considering the game state, and the fact that he read through the game without checking to see who had died makes no sense - knowing flips is useful scum hunting information. I think he was attempting to feign the not-knowing-which-scum-is-dead town-tell.

I'm pretty sure that MO is town for reasons that I'll get into if I have to, but for now, I'd like to keep to myself.

Zdenek · Post Post #1892 (isolation #90) » Thu Apr 25, 2013 4:12 am

In post 1693, Ms Marangal wrote:I'm done.

Lynch me before Scum start drawing associative tells that I had with KBW and TUA both.

I still think Jen is scum, I gave my case on it, Bulba and Titan are town as fuck and it surprises me that DBG is scum reading them, though my thoughts on DBG scum are slipping with each post she makes. I still think Antilles is town as well, especially after this last post he made.

Have you ever made a post like this one before?

Zdenek · Post Post #1900 (isolation #91) » Thu Apr 25, 2013 4:47 am

In post 1893, Antilles wrote:
In post 1871, Syryana wrote:*cracks knuckles* Wall response time!
This does not look like something a townie would say.

I've seen scum respond to an attack in the same way in the past.

Zdenek · Post Post #1905 (isolation #92) » Thu Apr 25, 2013 5:00 am

In post 1903, Antilles wrote:Of course you've seen scum react that way to it. You've also seen town react to it in that way too.

I have? I can't remember it. Frankly, I don't think that town thinks - hey I need to write a wall to respond to this.
The scum was a buddy of mine, Shos, in Korlash's Voyager game.

Zdenek · Post Post #1911 (isolation #93) » Thu Apr 25, 2013 5:24 am

Town reads:
DGB
HD
Titan
BBMolla
ArcAngel

You could be town because of the comment at the end of the day yesterday.
ArcAngel is probably town because of the way Nero was trying to negotiate with her to move her vote.

I think that MO is likely town.

I think that Jennifer has a decent chance of being town, but again that's because of interactions with flipped scum.

Marangal I have mixed feelings on. Her interactions with TUA and KBW make me think that she's town, but there's a chance that she was semibussing both of them, while pushing a lynch on a townie, and there's the chance that her post at the start of the game was scum trying to be manipulative, rather than moping town, and the more I think about it, the more that it bothers me.

I think that otterhorse is suspicious because of the way that both he and TUA changed their reads on each other on day two.

DCL has a decent of being scum because RachMarie dropped a lame town-tell and DCL did the same upon replacing in. I also find the way that he defended TUA suspicious - he used an argument about the wagons, which was based on a true fact, but which I think has nothing to do with TUA's alignment.

Klick is null.
Bulbazak I am having a hard time with because I find his ISO really hard to read. I think that there is a good chance that he is blathering scum.

Zdenek · Post Post #1913 (isolation #94) » Thu Apr 25, 2013 5:33 am

In post 1903, Antilles wrote:Thank you for responding to that blatant line of reaction fishing. It was mostly meant for Syryana

How was it going to be a reaction test for Syryana?

Zdenek · Post Post #1914 (isolation #95) » Thu Apr 25, 2013 5:42 am

In post 1425, DCLXVI wrote:Ok, so deadline is less than one day away and if we don't lynch the mafia get a nightkill?

and to lynch we need a majority correct?

Looking back now, I can hardly see how this couldn't be fake.

Zdenek · Post Post #1915 (isolation #96) » Thu Apr 25, 2013 5:46 am

That and the fact that Syryana voted TUA when he replaced in makes me want to pursue this.

Vote: DCL

Zdenek · Post Post #1923 (isolation #97) » Thu Apr 25, 2013 6:27 am

In post 1916, DrippingGoofball wrote:
In post 1914, Zdenek wrote:
In post 1425, DCLXVI wrote:Ok, so deadline is less than one day away and if we don't lynch the mafia get a nightkill?

and to lynch we need a majority correct?
Looking back now, I can hardly see how this couldn't be fake.
Explain?

Because, if he didn't read the opening post, which is what this post, at least on the surface, conveys, he would think that this is an ordinary game of mafia, and wouldn't feel the need to make either of these comments. The fact that he made them, indicates that he thinks there is something worth saying about at least one of them, and he wouldn't feel that way, unless he read the opening post or had someone tell him that he should make a comment like that (in the scum qt). So he's scum, trying to fake a town-tell.

Zdenek · Post Post #1927 (isolation #98) » Thu Apr 25, 2013 6:28 am

Antilles:

In post 1913, Zdenek wrote:
In post 1903, Antilles wrote:Thank you for responding to that blatant line of reaction fishing. It was mostly meant for Syryana
How was it going to be a reaction test for Syryana?

Zdenek · Post Post #1930 (isolation #99) » Thu Apr 25, 2013 6:32 am

In post 1929, Antilles wrote:Also, my post saying it was a reaction test to Syryana, that you fell for, was a reaction test for you.

So you posted a BS reason for thinking that Syryana was scum, and expected to get a worthwhile reaction from him from it?

Zdenek · Thu Apr 25, 2013 6:34 am

In post 1931, Antilles wrote:Nah, DCXLVI doesn't seem as scummy as people made him out to be, after I read his actual posts.

p-edit: Yes. That's exactly it. Welcome to Mafia 101.

I really don't think that this ever has a hope in hell of working.

Zdenek · Thu Apr 25, 2013 1:38 pm

Syryana, what are the scum-tells that DGB has littered the thread with?

Also, for anyone, where do you get the idea that scum do not have day-talk?

Zdenek · Thu Apr 25, 2013 1:47 pm

I actually always skipped over the goon pm.

Zdenek · Thu Apr 25, 2013 1:50 pm

Anyone else think that there's a list of town-tells in the scum QT?

Zdenek · Thu Apr 25, 2013 1:58 pm

I was wrong thinking that DCL could be town because of Rach calling out TUA on their KBW vote. She thought he was scum too, so the reaction below looks fake.

In post 312, RachMarie wrote:I do agree that as annoying as Key is, he should be lynched for scumminess not just cause he is annoying to play with.

In post 332, TheUnderachivers wrote:You guys know Key is scum right?

vote:key

In post 333, RachMarie wrote:UA WTF??? What is your reasoning.

Zdenek · Thu Apr 25, 2013 2:10 pm

In post 1979, Rainbowdash wrote:Backs off TUA to give mastin a chance to prove himself, Vote Jen, After TUA votes Jen "withholds what he thinks until after lynch"

I think this needs to be explained.

Zdenek · Thu Apr 25, 2013 2:14 pm

In post 719, Human Destroyer wrote:
In post 717, TheUnderachivers wrote:Except, HD, I don't bus.
I SAW INVITATIONAL 15

BZZZT WRONG ANSWER

also titan I really hope you're joking about the PR claim thing

Zdenek · Fri Apr 26, 2013 12:38 am

In post 1995, Human Destroyer wrote:
In post 1990, mastin2 wrote:
In post 1987, saulres wrote:
In post 1858, mastin2 wrote:I've taken a vow to never bus again
So much for vows, eh?
Oi! I told you to read the mafia QT! The explanation is in there.

Also, the dead QT itself says as much. The entirety of /invitational 15 was after Guile was already dead. It started after Guile was dead, it ended midway through D4. Furthermore, if you look at the timing, you'll realize that I stopped pushing UN as being scum at all immediately after I took the vow. (I didn't say as much since I took the vow while /invitational 15 was still ongoing; it's there in that mafia QT.) The vow was never broken. It simply hadn't existed at the time.

Seriously, timestamps are important.
^important post of importantness

This pretty much explains HD's move to delay TUA's lynch yesterday.
The only that it makes sense as a scum move is if he's scum with Jenn, and was trying to "comfirm" TUA as town after a Jenn scum flip, and I wouldn't bet on that being the case.

Zdenek · Fri Apr 26, 2013 1:01 am

In post 2023, BBmolla wrote:RBD who actually thinks you are scum btw

I think he could be, but it's for rather obvious reasons that scum could avoid if they were trying.

In post 2060, Bulbazak wrote:
In post 2057, BBmolla wrote:
In post 2050, DrippingGoofball wrote:Both wagons today are on
scum
. What is this with the mislynch business.
SCUMSLIP!P!P!P!P!!!!!
*crosses fingers* Please let this be the beginning of the end for the DGB scumteam...

That sentiment makes literally no sense coming from town.

I'm still basically sure that DCL is scum because of his first post.

Seriously, I think people should either explain how a townie makes that post or vote him.

Zdenek · Fri Apr 26, 2013 6:20 am

In post 2086, Bulbazak wrote:
In post 2081, Zdenek wrote:
In post 2060, Bulbazak wrote:
In post 2057, BBmolla wrote:
In post 2050, DrippingGoofball wrote:Both wagons today are on
scum
. What is this with the mislynch business.
SCUMSLIP!P!P!P!P!!!!!
*crosses fingers* Please let this be the beginning of the end for the DGB scumteam...
That sentiment makes literally no sense coming from town.
DGB has been leading this town by the ears, and as I've said countless times before, this is detrimental to the town's wincon. I was hoping that BB's post was an indication that people were starting to see the light. I'm confident that DGB is scum, and that in order to win, he needs to be lynched. The sooner the better.

@ DGB: Zaicon was referring to DC, but nice try.

So, why do you think that she was bussing TUA yesterday?

Her having the town by the ears is more or less a function of her being her, and not really alignment indicative. Personally, I can sympathize with titan's claim that DGB was acting similarly to the way she did in Mafiastuck, but having played with her several times, I can say that there are examples of her being difficult in both alignments.

Zdenek · Fri Apr 26, 2013 10:30 am

In post 2090, Bulbazak wrote:Town cred.

No. That is the scum motivation for doing it, but obviously voting everyone who is voting for scum is stupid, especially when they lost a member on day one, which gives them incentive to not bus day two.

Why not DCL people?

Zdenek · Fri Apr 26, 2013 10:55 am

Vote: Bulbazak

Zdenek · Sat Apr 27, 2013 11:20 am

I'm pretty obviously town MM, so you're going to need to explain why you keep insinuating that I am scummy.

Zdenek · Sat Apr 27, 2013 11:26 am

Hmmmm.

when's the last time that you've seen someone get mod-killed for making a sig bet?

Zdenek · Sat Apr 27, 2013 11:47 am

In post 2145, Ms Marangal wrote:Your reads are totally fluid, which isn't a scum-tell on it's own if it didn't seemingly follow what everyone else was saying. Your scum reads switch seemingly without reason, so do your town reads, and they seemingly switch so that you are suspecting the biggest suspects.

I sometimes use my vote to get reactions, and I'm not going to maintain a read that is wrong or keep my vote on someone when there's a better lynch to pursue.

I think Jenn is probably town because of her interactions with TUA. In particular on day one, they put TUA at L-2, which if they were scum together, pretty much compels them to bus, then they unvoted because TUA was fighting their lynch, which is pretty stupid reason to unvote someone, so it was bound to be questioned, and a scum buddy would really want to avoid that. It's not clearing, and I can see scum motivation in that move, but I just don't see it actually coming from scum.

Zdenek · Sat Apr 27, 2013 12:18 pm

In post 2148, Rainbowdash wrote:Players tend to be modkilled for breaking what are very clear site rules. Ive modkilled for similar before, as it instantly has effect of players perception on the slot. Its like ongoing games.

That's not an answer.

Zdenek · Sat Apr 27, 2013 12:33 pm

In post 2150, Rainbowdash wrote:
In post 2149, Zdenek wrote:
In post 2148, Rainbowdash wrote:Players tend to be modkilled for breaking what are very clear site rules. Ive modkilled for similar before, as it instantly has effect of players perception on the slot. Its like ongoing games.
That's not an answer.
Better question is "when was the last time before this I saw somepony make a bet"?

Last time I saw anything along the bets/promises line it did result in a modkill though. Either way, its just waiting to see what happens at this point.

So here's the thing. I think that you have a decent chance of being scum, and considering the state of the game, I am sure that scum would really like to have players be mod-killed, and I can't really see a town-motivation for suggesting it.

For me the last time I saw people do something along these lines, nothing happened. This was in the game that caused Mastin to become Mastin2. Now, that's a little bit different, but I think I've also seen players make a sig-bet and receive a warning - I believe that I have never seen someone mod-killed for it.

So when was this.

Zdenek · Sat Apr 27, 2013 12:40 pm

In post 2152, Ms Marangal wrote:....

are you assuming that Rainbow is scum for saying that we are likely going to be mod-killed? She didn't even suggest for it to happen, she just said that it was likely to happen

No. I think that he's scum because both his read on TUA and TUA's read on him changed after day one. I also think that he's scummy for encouraging mod-kills. Mentioning it as a possibility is the same as suggesting it - don't be stupid.

Zdenek · Sat Apr 27, 2013 12:55 pm

In post 2155, Ms Marangal wrote:And I think that you were scum for the fluid changes of alot of your reads. You suspect Rainbow for similar reasons I suspect you, so if I'm wrong, so are you.

encouraging mod-kills are not scummy in the slightest, especially if she does feel like the game is being compromised :/

hmmm, did TUA call me scum day one and then shift his read on me? I was unsure of TUA day one, and decided that he was scum day two.

There's pretty clear scum motivation behind encouraging mod-kills especially if the two of you are town. Funnily, the only time I've done it is as scum with my scum-buddy because I think it's a pretty safe form of distancing, but I doubt that's what's happening here.

How did your read on RBD develop?

Zdenek · Sat Apr 27, 2013 1:02 pm

In post 2160, Ms Marangal wrote:She started null and she moved to town. Her actions, and her thought processes looks like she is actually thinking and doing analysis of players which is usually town-driven

Can you be any more specific?

Zdenek · Sat Apr 27, 2013 1:12 pm

In post 2162, Ms Marangal wrote:No.

to lazy atm

You need to actually explain yourself because you are calling me scum for having changing reads, but are also completely disregarding RBD's changing read on TUA, which is one that after a day one scum lynch has an obvious scum motivation.

Zdenek · Sat Apr 27, 2013 1:33 pm

In post 517, OtterHorse wrote:So apparently im flying solo. From having to replace out of games that I didnt want to replace out of but needed to, TAM is telling the truth about not having time here.

Also TUA might legitimately be scum and just not NC-bad from that last post. Great part is if TUA is scum he is bussing KBW as that vote is massively out of place given how he is playing the game.

unvote
Vote TUA

He is making a whole lot of posts that have some sort of backing, even though most of what he argues is theory on hydras (which he still never proved wrong), then his KBW vote is out of left field. Despite having scumtells laid out, he jumps of "fluffy posting" with the KBW vote and ironically, goes on a week long fluff rampage where he actually has only menitoned KBW once again for lurking (despite him not being on the site for almost a week) and for fluff posting while COMPLETELY ignoring other players who are posting next to nothing/fluff.

This "selective scumhunting" in his own terms is something that he says is a scumtell, and when he doesnt call anypony else who is doing it (noteable AA and Antilles), it actually reads like scum who is trying hard to get on the KBW lynch. Maybe auto-assuming bussing isnt right, but it feels like its more motivation that "scumtell" to be on the wagon, he is specifically choosing KBW for some underlying reason (like TUA is scum and he is going for the mislynch/bus).

@Titan - TAM gets kicked to more or less null from this since it really seems like time issue more than anything alignment motivated. There are points where players are obviously just not keeping up and then fall through and this feels more like one of them.

In post 539, OtterHorse wrote:
In post 534, TheUnderachivers wrote:Who are these other players that are "posting next to nothing"?
The "doing nothing" crew for this game:

TAM, KBW, Antilles.

If you want to throw in Serra (nothing game related) an Reek (standard flake) those are easily argueable.

TUA is scum though, the entire response to my case is basically a brush off and trying to just hold out to deadline.

@AA - You should vote TUA. As far as I can tell your vote on KBW is "policy" given your list and TUA is very lynchable. Also your list is awesome, a couple swaps and thats what im looking at.

In post 588, OtterHorse wrote:Really TUA needs to die right about now. His vote on MO basically is nail in the coffin, its exceedingly blatant self-preservation and OMGUS when you consider that he haddent even mentioned MO was back on page 8 for having "iffy posting".

@Nero head - Do you think being selective on who you call tells on is a scumtell?

Marangal, what do you think of DGB and could you explain your read on BBMolla?

Zdenek · Sat Apr 27, 2013 1:34 pm

Sorry, I didn't mean for those quotes to be there.

Marangal, what do you think of DGB and could you explain your read on BBMolla?

Zdenek · Sat Apr 27, 2013 2:27 pm

Marangal is giving me a headache. She has enough time to keep replying to me, but not enough to go back and explain her read on RBD. She has a scum read on me for a stupid reason, and is ignoring that same reason when applied to another person. On the other hand, as scum, I'd expect her to be pushing a more viable wagon than Jennifer at the moment, so unless two of bulbazak, syryana and DGB are scum, I don't think she's too likely to be scum.

Zdenek · Sat Apr 27, 2013 5:53 pm

There are things you could talk about.

Zdenek · Sun Apr 28, 2013 3:24 pm

Vote: Bulbazak

Zdenek · Mon Apr 29, 2013 6:06 am

Nacho, do you have reads on DCL or RBD?

Zdenek · Mon Apr 29, 2013 7:17 am

Nacho, you have a town read on Bulbazak?

Zdenek · Mon Apr 29, 2013 7:47 am

In post 2218, Nachomamma8 wrote:
In post 2217, Zdenek wrote:Nacho, you have a town read on Bulbazak?
Yes.

Why?

Zdenek · Tue Apr 30, 2013 4:58 am

Are you seriously suggesting that voting for town's people is scummy?

Zdenek · Tue Apr 30, 2013 5:19 am

What do you think of the fact that both RBD and TUA changed reads on one an other after day one?

Zdenek · Tue Apr 30, 2013 3:08 pm

In post 2257, BBmolla wrote:I'm not on drugs and your reads still suck bro.

why do you think DCL is town?

Zdenek · Wed May 01, 2013 3:02 am

How about DCL?

Zdenek · Wed May 01, 2013 7:14 am

Vote: DCLXVI

Zdenek · Wed May 01, 2013 7:19 am

Why Syryana Arc?

Zdenek · Wed May 01, 2013 7:20 am

In post 2321, Nachomamma8 wrote:Zdenek, your posting this game has been uncharacteristically lame.

You should go read DCL's first post, and then vote him.

Zdenek · Thu May 02, 2013 1:46 am

Syryana, what do you think of BBMolla's 2343?

Zdenek · Sat May 04, 2013 9:24 am

DCL is still scum.
I want to hear what Nacho has to say.

Zdenek · Sat May 04, 2013 4:36 pm

Nacho, have you read DCLXVI's first post yet?

Zdenek · Sun May 05, 2013 7:23 am

In post 2385, Nachomamma8 wrote:Zdenek, I could lynch DCL. I don't think his first post was really that scummy though.

I really don't see how town could have possibly made that post. He's trying to drop town-tells about things he would know if he read the opening post, but without reading the opening post, he wouldn't have thought to have commented on any of them.

Zdenek · Sun May 05, 2013 12:25 pm

Who's scum other than syryana?

Zdenek · Sun May 05, 2013 2:14 pm

In post 1923, Zdenek wrote:
In post 1916, DrippingGoofball wrote:
In post 1914, Zdenek wrote:
In post 1425, DCLXVI wrote:Ok, so deadline is less than one day away and if we don't lynch the mafia get a nightkill?

and to lynch we need a majority correct?
Looking back now, I can hardly see how this couldn't be fake.
Explain?
Because, if he didn't read the opening post, which is what this post, at least on the surface, conveys, he would think that this is an ordinary game of mafia, and wouldn't feel the need to make either of these comments. The fact that he made them, indicates that he thinks there is something worth saying about at least one of them, and he wouldn't feel that way, unless he read the opening post or had someone tell him that he should make a comment like that (in the scum qt). So he's scum, trying to fake a town-tell.

Zdenek · Sun May 05, 2013 11:49 pm

Read the thread.

Zdenek · Mon May 06, 2013 2:56 am

In post 2413, DrippingGoofball wrote:Why can't it be routine double-checking after quickly reading the OP?

I could be. That's just not the feeling that I get from it.

Zdenek · Mon May 06, 2013 7:16 am

Why was the hammer scummy?

Zdenek · Thu May 09, 2013 1:12 am

V/LA until May 21

I'll try to be better in the coming days. Replace me out if you must.

Zdenek · Sat May 11, 2013 9:48 pm

I apparently I am not necessarily being replaced, so I'll post properly within 24 hours.

Zdenek · Sun May 12, 2013 6:47 am

So, I think that reasoning that's been given for Master Mew scum is best and I like that choice, so

Vote: Master Mew

DCL doesn't really look like he was going for town-cred of the Syryana lynch - that's a meh argument, but it's enough for me to drop that for now.

I'm pissed off with myself for having a scum read on TAM, the lurker and Syr, and not pushing that, but so it goes.

As far as other people go, I'll try to say something about that during the week.

Zdenek · Sun May 12, 2013 10:32 am

HA HA

Zdenek · Fri May 17, 2013 7:34 pm

Tonight.

Zdenek · Sat May 18, 2013 10:25 am

In post 2735, Rainbowdash wrote:
In post 394, Metal Overlord wrote:
Keybladewielder
: I think I said this already, but really not much to go on, but what there is is pretty bad. Can't tell if just an extremely bad player or scum, would make a good policy lynch.

TheActingMethod
: I maintain what was said about them, that they don't ring particularly scummy. More content would, as always, be appreciated, or even a little relevant content if nothing else. Especially if this is a meta thing, and not a tell, I'd like to know if it changes. If so, perhaps pursue better options until that time? So, in light of Meta, I'd say Neutral, though consider for Policy Lynch if it isn't something which changes.

TheUnderachievers
: I don't think I like a single post that they've made. I dislike their positions on issues, and find them anti-town at best. It seems like the majority of their posts are worthless, or dealing with hydra, and those that aren't I dislike the content of. Really, if they're competent, I have to say they're scum, and if they aren't, well, why keep them around? I think they could redeem themselves, but it's unlikely. Plus, the whole deal I've already expressed my opinions on . . . yeah Scum.

....

VOTE: Reek

I'm down with this.

Zdenek · Sat May 18, 2013 11:01 am

In post 1623, Voidedmafia wrote:
Votecount FINAL:

DrippingGoofball - Titan, DCLXVI, Underachivers, Jennifer, Bulbazak
Antilles - Rainbowdash
Ms Marangal - Antilles
Jennifer - Ms. Marangal
Underachivers - DrippingGoofball, Human Destroyer, zdenek, BBmolla, Syryana, Metal Overlord

Not Voting - Arcangel, Klick

With 16 alive it takes 9 to lynch and 8 to no-lynch.

[/b]

This vote count is kind of interesting.
The DGB wagon is Titan, flipped town, DCL who's started looking like town, TUA - scum, Jennifer who's kind of likely to be town after trying to derail the Syryana wagon and town-Bulbazak. While my reads could be wrong, this makes me think that scum wasn't trying to save TUA.

At the time, RDB was claiming town reads on both slots based on the incorrect scum read on Antilles. The fact that he was neither bussing nor on the townie wagon means that he has a decent chance to be town despite my earlier concerns.

It's hard to draw any conclusions about Klick based on this, since he at about that time. Scum giving up and replacing out is possible, but that a pretty iffy thing to base reads on.

ArcAngel had nothing to say around the time and this could be scum avoiding the thread, not wanting to bus or get caught defending a buddy.

TUA wagon - DGB (prob. town), HD (I remember thinking that he was town), (Zd. town), BBMolla (prob. town), Syryana (Scum), MO (well I used to think that he was town).

I think that the likely hood that TUA wasn't being bussed is very low, and this makes me want to revisit some of my earlier reads. I'd expect there to be at least one more scum on the wagon If I was putting my money on two of them, it would be MO and HD in that order. If there's only one more scum on the wagon, then I'd bet on there being one in the people not voting, and I'd lean towards it being AA.

If DGB is scum, then this analysis goes out the window, but that's something to consider later.

Zdenek · Sat May 18, 2013 11:28 am

Is there a good reason that I am forgetting about to think that ArcAngel is town?

Zdenek · Sat May 18, 2013 11:29 am

If I was going to vote right now, I would vote for MO, but I don't to hammer. I want to read through some ISO's, and that's not going to happen now.

Zdenek · Sat May 18, 2013 8:37 pm

I'm beginning to suspect that MO might just be a lunatic.

Zdenek · Sat May 18, 2013 8:57 pm

In post 2517, Syryana wrote:I disagree that Klick was scummy. He wasn't townie either, which means he needs to get roped at some point, but he wasn't scummy. Nacho "not playing to his town meta" is a pretty crap reason to lynch him. What are these things that look bad w.r.t. the Bulb/me chain?

This makes me think Nacho is scum because Syr is defending and distancing himself from the slot at the same time.

Zdenek · Sat May 18, 2013 9:04 pm

In post 722, Klick wrote:
In post 718, TheUnderachivers wrote:And, yeah. Right now, looks like a MO-DGB-Lurker-Jennifer scumteam.

We can get that MO lynch.
He picked three good town reads and Lurker.

If TUA is scum, I want to lynch Lurker next.

Actually, I'm probably wrong because of this.

Zdenek · Mon May 20, 2013 8:40 am

I think this popcorn lynching idea is solid.
It gives no lynch to the scum, because scum will have flipped by the time we would use their read.

Plus, Nacho is very likely town, because if Klick was busing that hard, he'd have probably stayed in this game to see it through.

Zdenek · Mon May 20, 2013 8:53 am

Oh yeah, I've also read through a bunch of ISO's and concluded that there are non-terrible reasons to think that everyone is town, so more work is required.

Zdenek · Mon May 20, 2013 9:00 am

Vote: Jennifer

The slot defended everyone of the flipped scum at some point.

Zdenek · Tue May 21, 2013 9:45 pm

Hold your horses. Give me at least 16 hours.

Zdenek · Fri May 24, 2013 6:13 am

I don't really feel like paranoia lynching yet.

Zdenek · Fri May 24, 2013 6:22 am

In post 110, ArcAngel9 wrote:could you guys use some sign.. i sometimes i have no clue..if the hydra is nero or mastin2

This might mean that Arc is town, since as scum she wouldn't care which one is posting.

Zdenek · Fri May 24, 2013 7:22 am

In post 517, OtterHorse wrote:So apparently im flying solo. From having to replace out of games that I didnt want to replace out of but needed to, TAM is telling the truth about not having time here.

Also TUA might legitimately be scum and just not NC-bad from that last post. Great part is if TUA is scum he is bussing KBW as that vote is massively out of place given how he is playing the game.

unvote
Vote TUA

He is making a whole lot of posts that have some sort of backing, even though most of what he argues is theory on hydras (which he still never proved wrong), then his KBW vote is out of left field. Despite having scumtells laid out, he jumps of "fluffy posting" with the KBW vote and ironically, goes on a week long fluff rampage where he actually has only menitoned KBW once again for lurking (despite him not being on the site for almost a week) and for fluff posting while COMPLETELY ignoring other players who are posting next to nothing/fluff.

This "selective scumhunting" in his own terms is something that he says is a scumtell, and when he doesnt call anypony else who is doing it (noteable AA and Antilles), it actually reads like scum who is trying hard to get on the KBW lynch. Maybe auto-assuming bussing isnt right, but it feels like its more motivation that "scumtell" to be on the wagon, he is specifically choosing KBW for some underlying reason (like TUA is scum and he is going for the mislynch/bus).

@Titan - TAM gets kicked to more or less null from this since it really seems like time issue more than anything alignment motivated. There are points where players are obviously just not keeping up and then fall through and this feels more like one of them.

RBD is likely town because of this. If he was scum, after saying this he'd have been much more likely to go after TUA day two than not. Plus there's the business with Serra earlier that doesn't seem to me like buddies talking.

Zdenek · Fri May 24, 2013 8:30 am

In post 968, Jennifer wrote:
In post 957, RachMarie wrote: To further elaborate... I have played with Town Serra before, and before you state oh he obviously was busy and that is why he did not play like usual and then replaced out card, all someone has to do is go check out Serra's posts... See if he replaced out of ALL of his games. That is about all I can say though because of redacted....

I do think that Serra replaced out because he did not have the time to devote to playing a good scum game. Normally I read replacing out as a null tell, and I admit mostly a gut read based on Serra's posts. The AtE though by Jen kinda reinforces my read.

I am not impressed with Antilles either they never did address my question about both hydra heads...
I can't say anything about why Serra replaced out because I don't know. I'm not sure what "AtE" you're talking about. You only give vague reasons for your read and seems like you're just trying to jump on the popular wagon du jour.
- What specifically about Serra's play did you find not like his town play?
- Also, even assuming I'm your top scum read, who else do you think is scum? Are you calling Antilles a scum read, or are you riding the fence on that one?

The case by RM doesn't really look like one scum would make on a buddy. Plus DCL said some townie things a couple of weeks ago or so when DGB was pushing him.

Zdenek · Sat May 25, 2013 11:16 am

I'm pretty sure that the last scum is human destroyer. I'm feeling lazy and don't really want to make a case though. I will if I have to, but I'd much prefer it if I didn't.

Vote: Human Destroyer

Zdenek · Tue May 28, 2013 11:57 am

Here's why I am concerned about HD:

His early play was incredibly non-aggressive - asks questions and not attacking.
Then attacks TUA (Monday), vanishes Tuesday, comes back Wednesday with a flurry of posts:
Tries to tie Antilles to TUA, keeps pushing TUA, defends Marangal because she's being normal, doesn't lile Rach's comment, TAM is scum, Otterhorse is town, KBW is scum, Antilles is pretty scummy, tries to tie Marangal to KBW, says he likes Titan, light scum read on Serrapaladin.

*with the exception of Serra, he calls scum, scum, and defends town, calls town town and at worst calls town, pretty scummy.

Despite pushing TUA hard before, takes a break to question Klick about his metal overlord scum read.

He says that he won't be happy until MO is lynched, despite the fact that they are sharing scum reads, and looking at it now, his reason at the time didn't seems all that great. He also didn't vote him immediately. I think this is scum exaggerating the strength of an argument against someone, failing to read someone rationally, and deciding to keep bussing for a bit, while what they had to say suggested they should change their vote.

Claims a scum read on Reek, just before DGB replaced in. After that consistently buddies DGB.

The fact that he was attacking MO for voting TUA, but then voted TUA makes literally no sense.

Despite several accurate scum reads on day one, at the start of day two he only pushes TUA.

Pushes the Amished tell against MO, not against DGB (despite thinking reek was scum).

Attacks Jen, doesn't vote her, but complains about the wagon falling apart.

Tries to clear TUA based on a Jennifer scum flip.

Zdenek · Wed May 29, 2013 3:27 pm

So HD is voting DCL now, who he defended earlier when I was suggesting that DCL fake town-telled when he replaced in, and as if the accusation that he's been coasting scum wasn't valid then too. He's voting DCL to try to appease me and draw my attention back over there.

Zdenek · Fri May 31, 2013 7:32 am

In post 3179, DrippingGoofball wrote:
In post 3176, Zdenek wrote:So HD is voting DCL now, who he defended earlier when I was suggesting that DCL fake town-telled when he replaced in, and as if the accusation that he's been coasting scum wasn't valid then too. He's voting DCL to try to appease me and draw my attention back over there.
Why does he want to appease you?

Because I'm attacking him and he's scum.

Zdenek · Sun Jun 02, 2013 10:56 am

RBD, why are you voting AA9?

Zdenek · Wed Jun 05, 2013 6:33 am

Good game. That was a lot of fun. Unfortunate play by the scum team though.

Zdenek · Wed Jun 05, 2013 7:05 am

I don't really believe all them, considering the rate at which we lynched scum.

Zdenek · Wed Jun 05, 2013 8:34 am

From a scum perspective, this was incredibly sub-optimal play, considering that for each scum lynch they needed to, on average, setup more than two town lynches.