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No, I don't think that we have managed to cross paths.In post 415, the worst wrote:feel better catboi. <3
welcome Tepid! Is this the first time we've actually played together? wild.
Although, I have seen your user name used as a pretty bad pun fairly regularly lol
"Thats the worst" - "No, the worst isn't in this game" ect, ect.-
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Do you have preferences on who that someone is?In post 420, syugar wrote:Can we maj someone in the next 24 hours?-
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I feel like this is terrible advice, but I am leaning town on Bella so far on page one lolIn post 22, Bellaphant wrote:VOTE: goldfish
A better vote.
I just want to repeat this early: a newbie game day one shouldn't last much more than ten pages-
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I mean my conclusion was that it was NAI, but okayIn post 428, syugar wrote:I'd rather not discuss what replacements mean in context of the game in any way-
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What do you mean "without contingencies" here?In post 430, the worst wrote:mmmm what's your plan of attack when I flip town and someone really obvious dies at night? I know this is a really two dimensional question but untiered reads without contingencies strike me as pretty likely to not find scum with this playerlist-
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I had the exact opposite reaction to Bella's entrance. What made you cast this vote?In post 17, catboi wrote: Find myself a little too wrapped up in conversation, not enough forward momentum.
VOTE: Bellaphant
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Actually ignore this. The post that I made me think Bella is town was after this voteIn post 437, Lukewarm wrote:
I had the exact opposite reaction to Bella's entrance. What made you cast this vote?In post 17, catboi wrote: Find myself a little too wrapped up in conversation, not enough forward momentum.
VOTE: Bellaphant
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In post 40, goodmorning wrote:
I don't love this - D1 should last until it runs out of steam or until deadline, whichever comes first. Sometimes that's page 10, sometimes it's page 25. I suspect this might be one of the longer ones but maybe that's just me.In post 22, Bellaphant wrote:VOTE: goldfish
A better vote.
I just want to repeat this early: a newbie game day one shouldn't last much more than ten pages
Most people mean "scumreads" when they say "reads", but you're not wrong.In post 23, NotAJumbleOfNumbers wrote:And at both of you: Why’d you assume I was talking about scumreads first? It’s not an unreasonable assumption to make, but it is a (slightly) unnecessary one. I already know about the importance of both townreads and scumreads.
This is... interesting when you immediately afterwards post 34. Granted the contexts are slightly different but it's an interesting dichotomy of thought.In post 29, Asphodelus wrote:I rather not bring up past games, that was weird.
Why do you think?@GoodMorning, why is your vote serious?
What do you think the reasoning is?
Do you think I was expecting that my vote would bother you in some way?
So you do think that 10 pages may be speedy? What makes you think momentum gets lost from second-guessing the wagons more than other factors?In post 38, Bellaphant wrote:I sort of agree, that you need 'more info' but I think everyone has this weird double think where we know a day 1 elim is probably town and then I think sometimes momentum gets lost. I tend to find day one much easier to look back on with the Info about flips. But yes, w need some content to look back on.
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It's a very nai statement to make though. Scum!Bella is happy to speed through day one and elim a townie
I would also argue that if one's preferred wagon loses momentum, then one should consider pushing harder, but that may also just be me.
Oof, quotestriping on mobile is tedious.
I hate this post from GM.-
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Oh, I meant cat.jpegIn post 451, catboi wrote:
you're going to need to specify whether you mean the boi or the .jpeg this gameIn post 447, Lukewarm wrote:I am not gonna be able to read up tonight, and getting sleepy.
Liking Bella for town, and I think that cat might be town for a really bad reason, but bad reasons tend to stick in my head lol
I don't think I have or ever will shorten you down to cat. Don't know why, but it doesn't feel right lol-
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In post 58, Takemikazuchi02 wrote:VOTE: numbers
I don't like how you've been playing the returning player card since the start of the game.
This feels confrontational in a way that I would not expect newbie scum to be so early in the game.In post 59, Asphodelus wrote:VOTE: T02.
I don't like how you [insert random thing about someone that isn't related to the game in hand] since the start of the game.-
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Catboi, what moved TO2 into your scum pile, given you seemed to town read their entrance?In post 147, catboi wrote:
I think in particular w/r/t syugar I've seen other players take that kind of aggressive approach where they seem to fos a lot of people on entry and gotten wary of it because of how wide their suspicion seemed to be, but the player ended up being town anyway. Just think stylistically the scattered approach is more likely to be town where scum faking aggression take a narrow-tunnel approachIn post 145, Bellaphant wrote:My issue was I didn't like syugars posting, then I didn't like GM's response, then I didn't like how catboi called syugars posting town! I'm liking catbois progression much more.
If I assemble my vague townish feelings together, I have Cat.Jpeg (feel very good about this one), goldfish, bella, and syugar. It's possible I'm wrong on one of these because it's earrly, but if itistrue it would mean all the scum would be in GM, Ash, T02, and jumble. Which feels...plausible?-
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I have not gotten to a single one of your posts yet on my catch up, but I gotta say, I don't love this.In post 462, Tidus of the X wrote:Just know that you probably won't get very much information if I am eliminated, if we eliminate T02 or Cat.jpeg, even if whichever one is eliminated isn't scum, we get some information out of it due to their reads, and I would say there may be a good chance of either of them being scum
Yes, there are players whose flips might glean more "information" then other players, but seeing it come from you, about yourself, feels self-aware in a way that seems bad.
You are stating that you are a bad elim because you don't have as many reads as TO2 or Cat.jpeg, but I also just saw you openly prodging instead of trying to get reads?-
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Another thought that I had about this post, is that cat.jpeg going from "the person catboi was voting" to his single highest town read is probably + town for him.In post 465, Lukewarm wrote:
Catboi, what moved TO2 into your scum pile, given you seemed to town read their entrance?In post 147, catboi wrote:
I think in particular w/r/t syugar I've seen other players take that kind of aggressive approach where they seem to fos a lot of people on entry and gotten wary of it because of how wide their suspicion seemed to be, but the player ended up being town anyway. Just think stylistically the scattered approach is more likely to be town where scum faking aggression take a narrow-tunnel approachIn post 145, Bellaphant wrote:My issue was I didn't like syugars posting, then I didn't like GM's response, then I didn't like how catboi called syugars posting town! I'm liking catbois progression much more.
If I assemble my vague townish feelings together, I have Cat.Jpeg (feel very good about this one), goldfish, bella, and syugar. It's possible I'm wrong on one of these because it's earrly, but if itistrue it would mean all the scum would be in GM, Ash, T02, and jumble. Which feels...plausible?-
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I find interacting with people in real time at least as important (if not more so) to figuring out reads then just reading the back log of the thread. So, yeah, I'm gonna prod at you if I see something that makes me think your reads are fake.In post 485, syugar wrote:
This will be answered if you finish reading the thread before asking questionsIn post 482, Lukewarm wrote:Does your scum read on The Worst come more from them after rep in? What was your read on Ash before the rep out happened?
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I went and found the answer to that quesiton on my ownIn post 488, syugar wrote:It's important, but you disregard the question that I didn't answer and have moved on to a new one?In post 484, Lukewarm wrote:Hm. You were voting Ash for a long time.
noted.IIRC I was scumreading their entrance, but wasn't convinced because they were claiming their scum meta was wildly different (polarized). I thought that was weird. I asked multiple times for someone to show me a Goldfish scum game since multiple people seemed to know about this, but nobody ever sent me one.-
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I think that you must be pretty slow on a computer to think that I couldn't spot check that information that quickly.In post 492, syugar wrote:
I don't believe that you didn't know this before asking that question. 1 minute is too fast. I believe that you were performatively asking questions you already knew the answer to, although to what end I am not sure. What do you think about that?In post 491, Lukewarm wrote:I opened your ISO, hit control f, typed "vote: " to see your voting history.
And promptly saw that Ash was your most recent vote prior to your recent switch to Tidus, and that that vote had been cast like 5 days ago.
But, I also think that this post (492) is not very likely a defense that scum would make-
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If you say so.
I I am not sure what made you think that
[I saw your post -> I asked a question I knew the answer to-> I then answered my own question without waiting for you to answer -> I moved on to more questions]
is a sequence that makes more sense then
[I saw your post -> it made me suspicious -> I asked a question -> I immediately went to see if I could find that information myself -> I asked follow up questions based on the information that I had found]
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Taking a break:
Currently don't want Bella, cat.jpeg, catboi, or syugar to be the elim.
I have possibly the most thoughts on Goodmorning of literally any slot in the game, but they are conflicting thoughts so I am having a really hard time sorting her
I would not stand in the way of any of Tidus, the worst, Takem, GM-
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I have gotten to Tidus's rep in, and I have found an equally bad reason to think that Tidus is town as that reason that I thought that cat.jpeg was town. These are the posts that caught my attention.
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They both read as genuine curiosity to me that pings me as town.
Like, newbie scum, generally self conscious, sees something that they don't understand - I picture them seeking refuge in their PT where they would feel safe, and they can ask their partner, to avoid possibly looking dumb in the main thread.-
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I would expect scum!catboi to be more worried about his trajectory on the slot looking good. I also disagree that cat.jpeg wasn't looking townie at the time, so :shrug:In post 511, goodmorning wrote:Through present:
I drew the opposite conclusion from this - he doesn't seem to have had any real reason to change his mind at that point, none of what Cat was doing in between the vote and unvote was AI, so either the vote was fake or the unvote was, imo. What about it makes you think it improves the likelihood of catboi being town?In post 475, Lukewarm wrote:
Another thought that I had about this post, is that cat.jpeg going from "the person catboi was voting" to his single highest town read is probably + town for him.In post 465, Lukewarm wrote:
Catboi, what moved TO2 into your scum pile, given you seemed to town read their entrance?In post 147, catboi wrote:
I think in particular w/r/t syugar I've seen other players take that kind of aggressive approach where they seem to fos a lot of people on entry and gotten wary of it because of how wide their suspicion seemed to be, but the player ended up being town anyway. Just think stylistically the scattered approach is more likely to be town where scum faking aggression take a narrow-tunnel approachIn post 145, Bellaphant wrote:My issue was I didn't like syugars posting, then I didn't like GM's response, then I didn't like how catboi called syugars posting town! I'm liking catbois progression much more.
If I assemble my vague townish feelings together, I have Cat.Jpeg (feel very good about this one), goldfish, bella, and syugar. It's possible I'm wrong on one of these because it's earrly, but if itistrue it would mean all the scum would be in GM, Ash, T02, and jumble. Which feels...plausible?
Depends what you are calling their response. I immediately did not like 483, 485, 488 and was considering voting them -- but then 492.
This is not a bad point, and syugar's response to it was not great.In post 481, Lukewarm wrote:Not a big fan of the fact that the worst seems to be one of your top scum reads (they were in all three of your alternative scum team options), but you don't have what slot they are sorted out in your head.
I kinda doubt that scum would see me correctly calling out their read as fake there, and take an approach to attack me based on the time stamps of when I asked the question vs when I found the answer myself. If he is scum then he knows that that timeline is simply true. And I doubt that he would think that calling me out over the timeline would in any way sway me, or actually discredit my point in anyway to other people.
It makes more sense to me as coming from an OMGUSing townie.-
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I for one think that it was a very good point, thank you very muchIn post 515, syugar wrote:
i thought it was a very bad point cuz its obvious throughout the rest of my iso that i have been playing with the correct replacements in mind and i made an error whilst posting quickly in the morning, im curious why you think its goodIn post 511, goodmorning wrote:
This is not a bad point, and syugar's response to it was not great.In post 481, Lukewarm wrote:Not a big fan of the fact that the worst seems to be one of your top scum reads (they were in all three of your alternative scum team options), but you don't have what slot they are sorted out in your head.
If you had Ash as your top scum read, and then carried over having the worst as one of your strongest scum reads, not having it straight that they were the same slot in that post, on the surface, made it look like you were not thinking as critically about the slot as would make sense for your top scum read.-
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@catboi, what makes GM not the play today?In post 282, catboi wrote:I...thought about it a bit, and I don't think GM is the play today.-
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I have finished my catch up.
VOTE: Tidus
The thing that I like about the ISO comment was a nice ping when I reached that point in the thread, but I did not realize that they literally fell off the face of the thread afterwards, which is definitely not a good look, and makes their in 462 worse.
I also have a worry that would be anti-town to voice currently if we were to start exploring alternative wagons.-
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Unofficial vote countIn post 519, catboi wrote:does someone have an idea of what the VC is right now?
the worst: (1) catboi
Catboi: (1) goodmorning
Cat.jpeg: (1) Bellaphant
Tidus of the X: (3) the worst, syugar, Lukewarm
Not Voting (3): Tidus of the X, cat.jpeg, Takemikazuchi02-
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I am aware that it is a bad reason to town read someone.In post 531, Cat.Jpeg wrote:
I don't think this is a reason to townread someone at all. Didnt think about it when i asked but I would have definitely asked still if i was scum, probably even more so because of how innocuous it would make me look.In post 502, Lukewarm wrote:I have gotten to Tidus's rep in, and I have found an equally bad reason to think that Tidus is town as that reason that I thought that cat.jpeg was town. These are the posts that caught my attention.
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They both read as genuine curiosity to me that pings me as town.
Like, newbie scum, generally self conscious, sees something that they don't understand - I picture them seeking refuge in their PT where they would feel safe, and they can ask their partner, to avoid possibly looking dumb in the main thread.
Also what does maj mean, i have guessed from context but would like to make sure I have the correct definition. I will be making a lot of posts soon, it will take a while though but most of you are sleeping so its fine.
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Is there a reason that this is applied directly to the worst and syugar, but not to me or Bella who are also voting there or to cat.jpeg or t02 who are willing to hammer?In post 551, catboi wrote:I maintain Tidus very likely flips town. I am incredibly suspicious of worst for pushing there and it probably tanks syugar in my estimation as well. Don't think they're scum together but doubt both are town.
I think to some extent flopping around and forcing out a bunch of claims at deadline is anti-town but I can't in good conscience send this through so I'll sit back in protest until we're truly running out of time with no alternative.
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I am not suspicious of you "defending a read." You are not pushing for a change of course, you are just shading the people who scum read him.In post 564, catboi wrote:
you ought to know better by now and it is frankly irritating to be treated this way for defending a readIn post 561, Lukewarm wrote:I am worried that catboi is TMIing Tidus as town.
I don't think that it makes sense for you to be so sure that tidus is town as to result in you scum reading people for thinking he is scum.
I also don't think that this is the way you would play with him if you are partners with him.-
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And even if you are that strongly town reading him. --What about the worst or syugar scum read there is dropping your read on them.In post 568, Lukewarm wrote:I don't think that it makes sense for you to be so sure that tidus is town as to result in you scum reading people for thinking he is scum.
Like, what about Tidus's play here do you think means that town!worst and town!syugar would be less likely to be pushing there then scum!worst and scum!syugar?-
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I don't think that he ever plays this way if Tidus is scum.
I think that he would be loudly pushing an alternative wagon, and trying to save Tidus that way. Or, he would have accepted the inevitable and tried to get towncred on the bus.
Reading up, I saw him voicing suspicions on the worst, but never really trying to canvas the votes.-
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I am sorry that you feel this way. My last post was written as a direct response to 571, and you just happened to ninja me there. My last two posts before that were written directly to you.In post 574, catboi wrote:I am in a foul mood. I am coming off an offsite game a few days ago where I lost and barely anyone spoke to me like I was in the game at all or even a human being. I am persistently treated this way in games. I am very sick of it. You're not helping me right now, Luke.-
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If it makes you feel any better, I very much like you are a person and am happy to see you in every game that we have run into one another.
I think that I made the comment to you once before that it was impressive that you managed to make me feel like you were someone that I looked forward to seeing in future games on two different accounts while I did not know you were the same person lol-
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I am not opposed to this, i dont think? LLD convinced me that day 2 popcorn pr claims is good in general a while back - but I have not thought a out whether a lack of kill affects that at all.In post 664, catboi wrote:No deaths is good-ish. Given how stalled out things were yesterday, I was thinking that if no PRs died during the night we'd have people claim to narrow down the pool of suspects. Thoughts? (taking a page from LLD with this strategy)-
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She is a user.In post 667, Takemikazuchi02 wrote:What does LLD mean?
We had a discussion about it after she lead something similar in a different newbie game.
Here is most of her answer about it, but she does have a few more posts following. if you're interested you can follow the link to that game
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So I actually read back that conversation, and I think that the no kill creates a lose scenario that does not exist in her example givenIn post 668, Lukewarm wrote:
She is a user.In post 667, Takemikazuchi02 wrote:What does LLD mean?
We had a discussion about it after she lead something similar in a different newbie game.
Here is most of her answer about it, but she does have a few more posts following. if you're interested you can follow the link to that game
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I asked her what about the possibility of us being in column C, and so the scum team might be able to fake claim a pr during this. Her response was that by doing it popcorn style, it would be too risky for scum - because of the masons possibility.
But that risk is actually gone now. So if we are in column C, that could actually be kinda bad-
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My point is that if we are in column C, then the scum team knows that we are in exactly the Jailkeeper/VT column right now, and they can safely fake claim tracker.In post 671, catboi wrote:because there's confirmed to be no kill it also limits the number of possible setups, if there's a cop or tracker the investigative report is useful information that can narrow things down (or possibly just out a mafia, depending on their target). A doc save is unambiguously clear, a jailkeeper target is unfortunately ambiguous as to whether it was a save or a blocked kill but it at least gives something to discuss. I think at this point though any information is going to be useful given where we are an the amount of replacements and idleness we had to work through on Day 1.
So, if we do it, then we basically have to go in knowing that we can't really trust a tracker claim if there is a jailkeer.
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I am not feeling the worst right now, and I think that we should kill Goodmorning.In post 669, catboi wrote:Also, newbie 2093 ended, so I can say that Asphodelus replaced out because she wasn't feeling into her games. So I don't think her dropping from this game is necessarily AI, and I'm not sure her being underwhelming compared to her other games is necessarily AI. I still think worst's play from Day 1 is significantly scum-motivated.
I felt off about a lot of goodmorning posts day 1.
First thing I didn't like was the repeated busy work questions that they asked in post 40. Like three in a row.
Then I liked a lot of catboi's points about them.
I felt like they got overly defensive when dealing with syugar. Particuarly the "slanders and lies" line.
It also stood out to me that they kept doing a page number reference thing in their posts. Like, a lot.
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Seeing it, I really didn't like it on a gut level. Especially as it kept happening. I went back and checked their iso in their last couple games over night, and I did not see this in any of them. Like, not a single post doing it. Much less how many times it happened here.
I feel like I think it could be because they are self conscious, and feel the need to clarify their posts.
I'm holding off my vote until we decide if we are doing the popcorn thing.-
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Like other people have just said, I read the worsts post about letting him talk before anyone hammers to be a pr soft.
That was why I made that post about it being antitown to pivot off of Tidus, I had reached that post in my catchup.
I thought tidus could be scum there, and was worried that if we pivoted away the worst seemed like a likely person to then be ran up.-
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When did you see the soft?In post 705, catboi wrote:frankly I took worst to be softclaiming a PR which is why I backed off-
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Because you still came into this day phase trying to kill the worst.In post 669, catboi wrote:Also, newbie 2093 ended, so I can say that Asphodelus replaced out because she wasn't feeling into her games. So I don't think her dropping from this game is necessarily AI, and I'm not sure her being underwhelming compared to her other games is necessarily AI. I still think worst's play from Day 1 is significantly scum-motivated.
Had you already seen it before? Were you pushing anyways because you didn't believe it?
If you didn't believe it at the end of d1, or at the start of d2, why did you drop it now?-
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Bunch of quotes:
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Walk me through this.
You saw me make this argument.
You voted me.
You then made the exact same argument that I made.
You then seemed to think I was the scummiest player at the start of day (based off suggesting I start the popcorn).
If you think I am scum, why are you not questioning the argument that I am making? If you think the argument is Good and Valid, why are you not reevaluating me based on through fact that we appear to be thinking about the game the same way?-
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